The Great Men On Usury
Apr 25th, 2019 by CH
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Off topic but wait until you see Avengers Endgame. Spoiler alert–only white characters are killed, maimed, turned into buffoons, or magically aged to 75 years old at the end of the film so they can be replaced by africans. The hatred is strong.
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I don’t anticipate paying money to see it. So I probably won’t see it at all.
Hopefully they kill off that bitch “Captain” Marvel (AA calls her “flying mommy” which made me laff) though.
Anyone who was in the military, name ONE female naval aviator or Air Force pilot who didn’t get herself into a mess a man had to extricate her from. You can’t.
https://dailystormer.name/your-new-flying-mommy-captain-marvel-has-disgusting-foot-fungus/
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I have no intention of watching captain marvel but I saw the trailer and was surprised that none of the sjws called it out for racism. It says stuff like “the skrulls are the bad guys, and the kree are the good guys- a race of noble warrior heroes” and then later a kree played by annette benning tells captain marvel “we made you one of us… superior”
So in outer space or another dimension or whatever it’s ok to acknowledge that one race is bad and another race is noble and superior, but to recognize this dynamic in regards to earth races is heresy.
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“flying mommy” is pretty funny, someone on yt was calling bree larson “America’s ex-wife”
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It’s not heresy to label one race bad, as long as you name the huright race.
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Captain Marvel was in the Avengers movie and is a testament to how acting ability and looks are no longer important to being a movie star. Some of the worst acting I have ever seen.
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I went to see it out of curiosity whether these new superhero movies are as bad as I imagined to be. I gave up on movies 7 years ago and have only seen 2 since.
Noticed how the end marked the shift away from heritage men to the coalition. I was also struck by how dreadfully made it was yet the audience of mainly adults loved it. In comparison the early Star Wars, Superman and Spiderman are major works of art. They had a sense of fun and lightness.
The acting in Avengers was, for the most part, wooden and monotone. One of their super powers is not acting. The fights were showy but had no drama. Watching that movie and seeing how the audience received it, convinced me that I was correct in thinking the culture is poisoned, dying and beyond saving.
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STOP GIVING MONEY TO YOUR ENEMIES
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“You will note that the financiers proposed to cure by lending money and not by bettering methods. They did not suggest putting in an engineer; they wanted to put in a treasurer.
And that is the danger of having bankers in business. They think solely in terms of money. They think of a factory as making money, not goods. They want to watch the money, not the efficiency of production. ”
-Henry Ford
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Henry Ford actually unilaterally gave partial refunds to people who bought his cars early in production when later improvements in production allowed them to be sold for much less. He felt bad about it. Now THAT is a true American. Such a concept (of honor, honesty and integrity) is totally foreign to the non-European mind.
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Or perhaps he was just a good business man and knew it would be good PR and he’d sell even more cars.
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Both Ford and his son were pilloried for disliking (((special people))). Lee Iaccoca made a big deal out of it in his autobiography.
(Lee Iaccoca is one of the original failures but was literally too big to fail. The original bailout was Chrysler in the 70’s. He ran the company into the ground).
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also Henry Ford invented the production line. his accountants told him to patent it so no one else could copy it. he said no I want industry to copy it and make America number one industrial power. compare that to the rotten scumbag looting bastards that ran sears into the ground while strip mining it
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Ford also encountered the Fake News of his day. Excuse me, (((Fake News))).
In biographies about him, its euphemistically called his battle with the East Coast Press, who painted him a buffoon and ignoramus and who would, paradoxically, create a mass movement that would destroy American freedoms. Despite building one of the richest, most powerful businesses of his day from nothing, inventing the modern assembly line, paying his workers well, and having friendships with many of the great artists and thinkers of his day, he was labelled an empty-headed racist demagogue.
Sound like anything we’re all personally familiar with?
(Not coincidentally, Ford was naming the JQ loudly long after most big names of the time had gone to sotto voce on it, unlike Trump, who’s practically buggering Netanyahu and sacrificed his beautiful daughter to the (((special people)))).
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Where did Ford get the money to build a factory and go into business?
As far as I can see, he was some farm boy.
You can read his life story but he had to get the money from somewhere whether a bank, getting people as investors in his co., selling shares etc
Motor cars were the up and coming business but were built by hand and expensive. So Ford used the old assembly line idea and managed to produce them a lot cheaper. And you know the rest of the story.
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To execute a man we don’t need proof of his guilt. We only need proof that it’s necessary to execute him. It’s that simple.
Apply to non-g0yim
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are you saying it’s wrong to charge a fee in exchange for a service (of lending)?
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Depends on what you mean. A flat fee is different than interest.
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is it not easier to loan me something for a day than for a year? should the fee accrued not increase proportionally to the service rendered?
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Dylan,
Nehemiah 5:11 makes it quite clear that 1% interest constitutes “usury” according to the Old Testament law.
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The implication being that one does not give loans as a “service” to countrymen, but only as a favor to help them start a business. All risk, no return, pure altruism.
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Are you saying that Usury means charging a fee for lending?
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>the illegal action or practice of lending money at unreasonably high rates of interest.
I guess I thought the two were the same. my mistake. but is the difference truly fundamental? for example, you are opposed to unreasonably high and illegal interest, but not interest in general? because OP seems to be against interest in general, see: “money which makes a gain out of money itself.”
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Yeah the difference is fundamental. I enjoyed this post – it was shared somewhere else earlier this week.
https://thehighbook.netlify.com/sinistrism
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No, “unreasonably high interest” is the modern interpretation of usury. In the classical world… and frankly, up through the 19th century, usury meant making a mutuum loan… meaning making a loan and charging interest where the borrower is a person (not a business) and personally guarantees the loan. See:
https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/usury-faq-or-money-on-the-pill/
What wasn’t usury was making a loan at interest that was secured solely by collateral, or by whatever was bought with the loaned money, or making a loan to a business where there was no personal guarantee.
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NIce thank you
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Modern banks can lend much more (even 10 times more) electronic money than the cash they actually have in reserves. Not only it is wrong to charge a free for creating money out of nothing, but it’s wrong to create it out of nothing in the first place.
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but that’s the fault of fractional reserve lending, not lending in general, no?
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(((Goldman Sachs))) invests in Bitcoin, other crypto currencies. The better to manipulate the prices when the time comes to short them.
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Dylan – Lending is necessary for any trading economy above hunter-gather level, but the key to surviving debt spiral is strongman-dictated debt jubilee. This was understood by all ancient civs but not by the Greeks and Romans, whose notions of government differed considerably from the Near and Far East. Any level of predatory lending without the release valve of a jubilee will bring down a civilization. Pericles/Delian League found this out as did an increasingly desperate succession of Roman leaders. Since the collapse of those polities, Western Civ’s Achilles Heel is that it has generally followed a decentralized oligarchic model of governance highly susceptible to (((donors))). Shakespeare was writing about this in the “Merchant of Venice”, but it goes back much further and has gotten much more (((Concentrated)) since then.
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Neochron, you make a good point about debt jubilee. Wasn’t it jewish law that said debts are forgiven every seven years? Is that only for jewish borrowers lol?
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The amount of currency in circulation is not the wealth of a country. You’re confused and getting the seltzer drinkers schemes mixed up with legitimate banking.
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It’s ok to get clipped for 3 percent. Not four or five or eight.
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Usury is really just an opinion and depends on what a society thinks is unreasonable interest.
And besides, there would be competition among lenders for business.If one lender was charging 10% there may be another one undercutting him at 7%.
Usury would only be bad if you were forced to take loans and crazy rates of interest.
Even in the Merchant of Venice, Antonio wasn’t forced to borrow money for Bassano, his friend who had wasted his inheritance.To me, Antonio always sounded like one of these guys who wants to be big ‘money? sure I’ll get it for you’
Shylock hated Antonio not just because he disliked Jews but also because he’d lend money to friends and others without interest. This meant that Shylock had to reduce the interest that he charged and this was his primary business in Venice.
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@Neo
We do have debt forgiveness, it’s called Bankruptcy.
And you don’t see any debtor’s prisons do you?
And no, men in prison for not paying child support are there for contempt of court.
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When the fee is interest, yes.
The School of Salamnca was wrong. Thankfully, its not Catholic dogma, just powerful influence.
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Here’s a quote from “On Usury” by Hilaire Belloc:
“But though Usury is in itself immoral, and justly condemned by every ethical code, its chief and worst defect in the particular case we are now examining, the growth of Capitalism and its increasing proletariat, is the centralization of irresponsible control over the lives of men: the putting of power over the proletariat into the hands of a few who can direct the loans of currency and credit without which the proletariat could not be fed and clothed and maintained in work.”
Sound familiar?
Ref: https://oldthunderbelloc.blogspot.com/2014/01/on-usury.html
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Note, too, how the Credit Card companies are in the vanguard of usurious practices, such as being able to raise rates unilaterally, changing due dates so they fall on weekends inducing late fees, low teaser rates, low minimum balances. It was a system designed “so that financially illiterate people spending in excess of their annual income would get trapped in a form of indentured servitude to the credit card industry for the duration of their lives.”
Ref: https://theconservativeincomeinvestor.com/andrew-kahr-the-man-responsible-for-high-credit-card-fees-interest-rates-and-corrupt-business-practices/
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Use an Amex card, there’s no interest. Pay your monthly statement within a certain period and you won’t have any problems.
Don’t use some credit card in lieu of a loan when you want to buy some junk.The interest rates may be high but that’s only because people run up bills and then default on them.And the co. can’t collect on these debts without suing and even that may mean nothing if the debtor has no money so they have to charge these high rates on unpaid bills to stay in business.
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Never use a credit card. Buy in cash or go without
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yea but millions of people build up gigantic debts to credit card companies and never pay it back. they get fucked out of more money then the people do that have the cards
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Most of that unpaid debt is interest and penalties. Same as those commercials you see for IRS settlements. The IRS doesn’t forgive $100,000 in actual taxes due.
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When you land money to somebody there is a risk that you will never get it back
Consequently nobody or very very few would land it without an interest
In addition when an inflation is present that also needs to be accounted for
No economy can function without the possibility of borrowing money see its state in muzzie world which as cuckstians of yesterday prohibit usery
Now usery in it’s true definition is different than money lending and as we all know a certain tribe specializes in it
One of true problem that needs to be underlined is cheep fiat money engineered by the same tribe which prevents the ordinary folks to lend their money to banks with a reasonable interest forcing them to go stock markets or being exposed to other schemes which they do not understand nor more importantly control and invariably end up by being plundered by the same tribe
Raving about usery without making neccessary distinctions is a cuckstan and muzzie thing that is by those whose safes are full and charity the principal economic concept
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I am not against nominal (repeat, nominal) interest, but exorbitant interest, which is what I refer to as usury, used to be outright outlawed in many nations, including the USA until about 25 years ago when usury laws applying to credit cards (the biggest offenders) were repealed in favor of ‘deregulation’ (the “let the market determine it” scoundrels). Some states still have usury laws on the books, but I would say less than 1/2 of them. Just another one of those things that negatively affects millions of people, causing many to file bankruptcy, that our useless Congress does nothing about.
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Debt = Slavery.
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The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is slave to the lender.
Be not one of those that puts up security for debts. If you have nothing with which to pay, why should your bed be taken from under you.
He shall lend to you, and you shall not lend to him. He shall be the head and you shall be the tail.
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The day I found out about the debt buying business was a day I hated specials that much more.
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I think the Special Ones have long moved on from usury, especially given interest rates over the last decade. As parasites, they rush into professions where they can attach themselves to large flows of goy cash and suck up a percentage that is vastly disproportionate to the service they provide, if any. We see this in investment banking (x% of the transaction), investment management (x% of the assets under management), corporate management (disproportionate transfers of shareholder wealth in salary, stock and options) and all the corrupt flows of cash between investment funds (many of them public pensions), government and corporations.
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They are BIG into forming bogus “non-profit organizations”, to squeeze billions in shekels out of honest, good-hearted, naive goyim who believe they are donating to “a good cause”.
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“Non-profit” is a scurrilous fiction. Often combined with other controversial activities, e.g. “Planned Parenthood”. But the trick of “non-profit” is generic. It makes an activity sound benign, “public minded” and what not. But a good accountant can achieve “non-profitness” by, at the end of the year giving out bonuses to the movers and shakers to absorb all potential profit. I even knew a man who ran a non-profit, all by himself. Funny how his salary supported a nice life style.
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1-877-Kars-4-Kids, 1-877-Kars-4-Kids
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I donate to good causes,like those holocaust survivors you see crying on tv.
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That’s Kars with a “K”, you’ll get a voucher and maximum tax deduction.
Also, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews never show impoverished Christians, or have any fellow Christians on the board.
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Voluntary contributions from goodgoys are a drop in the bucket. These non-profits also get big dollops of cash from government, corporations, and other non-profits. (((They))) have too much contempt for us to even bother manipulating us out of our cash when they can simply use force to seize our investments and taxes.
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Sort of like Pat Robinson gets old people to join the 700 Club and sends him their SS money.
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Word.
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They do these things but also haven’t moved on from usury. The federal reserve is owned by 14 euro jew banks (4 or 5 of them Rothschild) who charge the us govt/ taxpayers interest while not offering utility
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Uh, are they trying to tell us (((something)))?
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Funny but Hitler solved the problem in a very unique way. Such an innovator that guy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/01/03/the-number-of-americans-holding-auto-loan-debt-shows-no-signs-of-slowing-down-infographic/#373073a87ffe
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BUT WHAT FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY?
if you dont like banks you can build your own trillionaire business organization from scratch
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If I can wring my hands for a minute, it’s important to separate interest (quantifying the time value of money) from usury (excessive or manipulative charging of interest).
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You ever check out the Zippy Catholic usury FAQ? Another commenter below gave a link.
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Tricky stuff. While I am aware of all the usual arguments about usury, what to do? Putting a cap on interest rates? This will make it impossible for some people to borrow money. Is this a good thing? Essay question.
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Zippy Catholic (RIP) published a Usury FAQ that explains what usury is and why it is immoral. Note that usury isn’t the mere lending at interest, it is an unsecured loan where the lender shares no risk. Traditionally, a loan could be secured by a Thing. If the borrower defaulted the lender got the Thing in lieu of repayment and the obligation was extinguished. In a usurious loan, the borrower himself is the collateral. This is how (((slavery))) was enforced. Vestiges of this remain in our bail bond system, the only one remaining in the world, iirc.
https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/usury-faq-or-money-on-the-pill/
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Shylock wanted his promised bond rather than repayment of money.
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Unsecured loans are only given to people with good credit.Even charging things on my Amex is like a loan(although there’s no interest because you pay the bill when you receive it) but they know that I have the assets to pay it (if I didn’t they would eventually sue me if it was high enough)
So no deadbeats are going to get unsecured loans or cards anyway so it’s a moot point.
Even illegal loansharks only lend money to people who are good for it(ignore what you see in films).
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there is no interest on any card if you payoff the total the first month. it is that way with the cards I got
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An unsecured loan is where the lender has the risk.If the borrower has no money there’s no way of collecting and we don’t have debtor’s prisons.
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The Iron Bank of Braavos: ‘The Iron Bank will have it’s due.’
The Merchant of Venice: Franciscan Friar: For a usurer is a thief and a robber who should hang on the gallows seven times higher than the other thieves. Indeed, you trample all of God’s commandments under you sinful feet.
Hamlet: Polonius: Neither a borrower nor a lender be. For loan often loses both itself and friend. And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
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So without charging interest how do you get a loan?
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Remember the concept of fraction reserve banking: if the fed sets a reserve requirement of 10% and you deposit $100 in a bank, the bank lends $90 of your money without your permission. Awhile back I commented or linked to an article on Mises about some entrepreneur who was lending money or selling Jordans to basketball Americans on credit. I left a comment saying basically the lender was a pos because the nogs were too stupid/impulsive to realize that they were paying $800 for a $400 pair of sneakers meanwhile the sneakers themselves only cost $20 to make due to gook wage slave labor. Other commenters were aghast that I attacked the free market.
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Prices increase as goods pass down a supply chain due to something called declining marginal utility.
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What you are describing, that is, the price of goods increasing as they proceed along the supply chain, is down to something called declining marginal utility.
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Actually it lends the money with your permission, but I guess you’re one of those idiots that sign contracts without reading them. Reading is difficult I guess
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Don’t forget that Mises was a Jew and The Federal Reserve Act has been the greatest act of fraud ever committed against America.
Originally proposed as the Aldrich-Vreeland Currency Act, the bill was fairly un-ambiguous in the intent to establish another Central Bank like its’ predecessors. But, Congress knew that they would be public revolt at the idea and voted against it. Then there was a massive bank run orchestrated and Senator Nelson Aldrich met with a Jew banker from a Jew bank (Kuhn and Loeb) and J.P. Morgan bankers to create The Federal Reserve Corporation. Now, “our” Treasury buys Federal Reserve Notes (promissory notes unbacked by any tangible value) from a private corporation that hedges both its private and public loses on the work value of the collective American public.
Fractional reserve lending is nothing compared to the outright lie of Fiat Currency. In 1993 Ohio Representative James Traficant Jr. gave an excellent speech about the United States’ bankruptcy of 1933.
http://www.rvbeypublications.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/webjamestraficant.pdf
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The noggers aren’t so stupid. They won’t pay him anything haha
With them you have to be paid in advance.
They’re the type who eat at a restaurant and then won’t pay the bill because they already consumed the food.
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It was hilarious seeing the British empire outpacing the Spanish partially due to the latter’s ban on usury which lead to an amusingly inefficient financial system. Of course, I have an available PayPal account for those willing to put their money where their mouths are and lend me interest free money until 2080. Lol
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Finance should be a facility for creating actual value via enterprise. I think a lot of people are uneasy with finance being a huge, profitable enterprise unto itself. And for all the talk of creating a more efficient market, most people see an entirely predatory and parasitic class profiting off the work of others.
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ezra pound, Canto XLV “Usura”, select quotes:
“With Usura hath no man a house of good stone”
“no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly”
“Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom”
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