A study with a decent sample size (N = 274 female participants) found that the index finger to ring finger ratio (2D:4D) in women predicts their potential risk of cheating.
Being more exposed to the sex hormone oestrogen in the womb leads to women’s index fingers growing longer than their ring finger.
By contrast, being exposed to more of the male sex hormone testosterone in the womb has a more ‘masculinising’ effect – and results in a longer ring finger and a shorter index finger.
Men with longer ring fingers than index fingers have been found to be better sportsmen.
Eiluned Pearce of Oxford University carried out the research which has been published in a Royal Society Journal.
She took measurements of the finger lengths of 274 female volunteers and also sampled their DNA.
They also completed psychological tests on their relationship quality.
She found that ‘women with higher (more feminine) left hand digit ratios are more impulsive and rate their romantic relationships less favourably.’ She added that the finding is ‘intriguing, because the opposite might be expected’.
Ok, a few words of caution. As with any sociosexuality research that relies in part on self-report surveys, take it with a grain of salt. Women lie, and women lie a lot when the question has to do with their romantic longings and sexual history. Women as a sex will “lie down” (heh), meaning they will undercount the number of men they have slept with and will reclassify non-vaginal sex as platonic friendship.
Having said that, we can assume, since women will lie in one direction (to socially signal more chasteness than they in reality possess), that the differences in sexual behavior or relationship satisfaction between high and low finger ratio women would hold as a valid finding, despite the magnitude of those differences possibly skewed by social expectation bias. This would only not be the case if, for some reason, high finger ratio women and low finger ratio women lied at different frequencies. That is, if high 2D:4D women lied more about their romantic lives than low 2D:4D women lied about theirs, we could not trust any uncorrected self-report data that attempted to compare the two groups.
This isn’t an idle misgiving. It’s plausible that very feminine women are more disposed to lying about their chasteness than are masculinized women, given that femininity is in general associated with a greater sensitivity to social pressure and with affinity for emotional manipulation of others.
One more word of caution: the researchers appear to have used “impulsivity” and “dissatisfaction with relationship” as proxies for “higher likelihood of cheating”. These aren’t equivalent, despite the former two characteristics being a leading indicator of the latter risk. Dissatisfied women in relationships can conceivably control themselves and resist infidelity……
HAHAHAH OH MY GOD HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I KEEL MYSELF
….but that’s not the way to bet.
Still, based on my experience with women, I believe this study has touched on a truth about women that would be more brightly illuminated with better methodology.
In the research paper, she speculates that women with the higher index finger to ring finger ration are likely to be ‘more feminized’ and more highly sought after by males.
Because they know they have a lot of options, ‘this might be associated with dissatisfaction with current partners’ and this might lead to flings – or as the scientists call it ‘opportunistic mating’ and ‘impulsive’ mating with men who are not their husband or partner.
The two main strategies in sex are ‘opportunistic mating’ – in other words having lots of flings – and a strategy ‘focusing on long-term commitment’.
She writes that ‘If females with more feminised morphology [body shape] have higher ‘mate value’,
SMV: sexual market value.
The Chateau isn’t an outpost of the world; the world is an outpost of the Chateau.
this might be associated with dissatisfaction with current partners, leading to impulsive extra-pair matings and seeking alternative mates.’
Finger length ratio is a well-tread topic at the Chateau. There has been debate whether masculinized or feminine women are more likely to cheat (proponents of the former reasoning that women with high T are hornier and thus cheat risks), but this study says more feminine women are the cheat risks, which validates a classic Chateau pearl necklace of wisdom:
The researchers also looked at the ratio of index finger to ring finger lengths in males, but did not find any connection with relationship quality.
FYI, there is very little discrepancy between the finger ratios of gay and straight men. If anything, gay men have slightly more “masculine” ratios.
That last bit about the dearth of evidence for a digit ratio-to-relationship quality correlation in men is very telling. It indirectly supports my observation that women make holistic assessments of male mate quality, seeking out a panoply of hsmv traits in men, some of which contradict each other. As such, the playing field is open to men of varying masculinity and femininity — think on, for example, how common it is to see brooding artist soyboys and musclehead jocks with cute girls — and how that might manifest biologically in a natural selection process that neither favors nor disfavors for long high 2D:4D men over low 2D:4D men.
It’s interesting to speculate on the existence of Darwinian balances that keep lower digit ratio men in the game, and further to speculate that this is the reason why there isn’t a connection between a man’s digit ratio and his relationship quality.
That connection is easier to see when looking directly at the source of a man’s happiness: his woman’s beauty, or lack thereof. Forget male finger ratios; if you want to know if a man is satisfied in his relationship, just ask yourself if you would eagerly fuck his girlfriend or wife. If yes, he’s happy.
A more feminine woman has hordes of men begging her to either go out with them or have sex with them,
while a less feminine woman has less offers
more offers means more likely to eventually do it and cheat
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Quantity has a quality all its own.
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Reminds me of…
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It depends I think so. We can expect a ratio indicating the high exposure to testosterone women cheat for the different reasons to the low ratio.
.”It’s plausible that very feminine women are more disposed to lying about their chasteness than are masculinized women, given that femininity is in general associated with a greater sensitivity to social pressure and with affinity for emotional manipulation of others.”
Exactly. All women have potential to cheat. Maybe at more fare ends of the ratio spectrum it will be more cheating. Eg. – hyper masculine Women, hyper feminine women. But for very different reasons and motivations. My thought (I agree with you) is with the high t ratio they genuinaly want more variety because theyre libidos is more like mens. More feminine women can cheat if not happy. In stable fullfilling relationship I believe the feminine woman is very less probable to cheat (she does not have this need for variety, she just needs one man to “tame” her). If he has the ability to tame her,, and that means make her happy (not necesarily what she thinks will make her happy, it is dependant on the woman’s awareness of her self).
The high t women are probably more what men desire in the way of many things. (Libido like a man, less neurotic) But I think so a feminine woman is going to be the best long term. With female hormones also comes the emotional sugestibility, and if you know how you handle that, a highly feminine woman will make one very happy man.
[CH: a wise comment, eofahapi. men may like the expedience of a “manageable” or “relatable” tomboy, but men’s hearts only truly sing with very feminine women. it’s the decision between choosing a small reward for less effort, or a big reward for more effort.]
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^^^^^She needs to write a book.
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You both need to stop polishing a pedestal.
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I suspect that in her native Cypriot Greek, she could write a very interesting book.
But I also suspect that she might need to experiment with different formats [self-help, romance, tragedy, comedy, commentary, whatever] until she found her groove.
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In general more masculine women/more testosterone have higher libidos
Some of the most crazy f*uckers are small tits narrow hips masculine women
They f*uck as there was no tomorrow, most of nymphomaniacs comes from this category
Their minds are forever infested with an non sufficient power to reason which nevertheless makes the total mess of their female side
Most of them are as expected (totally) unbalanced and unhinged
An perpetual internal struggle leaves easily recognizable face scars removing the shine from their eyes
They cheat often to satisfy their libidos and to escape the said struggle
Most of them are not good looking so their choices may be a few
Almost all of “artist” women comes from this category and those who as young men were made to seek intellect were there has never been one must have encountered this kind
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digits digitally dissected
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Hm. On my right hand, the ring finger and the index finger are equal, while on the left hand, the ring finger is longer. Strange.
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Relationships are a constant power struggle. Make sure you hold all the cards so they’re less likely to bluff (cheat). Oh, they’ll complain about it, and demand “equality,” but that’s only because theyve got no hand to play. Don’t fall for it and give them two of your four aces in the interest of “fairness,” or you deserve it when they show a full house and clean you out (cheating, divorce rap3, whatever).
It’s a game you CAN win, but you have to throw all your old-fashioned notions of fairness and equality out the window. They aren’t playing by male honor rules, so neither should you. Press every advantage and you may just be able to walk away with the pot.
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As long as he is banging her at that moment of course.
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Sooo there are Slut Hands?
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One of my new charges, a willowy, incredibly slim 25 year old brunette, has very long fingers. They look to be as long as mine, only bonier. She’s about 5’8″ and is quite feminine.
She looks like she’d be tremendous in bed. Alas, moderin life and HR bureaucracies.
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Dude.
You only live once.
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When you’re on your deathbed, you won’t even be able to remember the names of any of the NPC bugpeople you’re working with right now.
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‘Women with higher (more feminine) left hand digit ratios are more impulsive and rate their romantic relationships less favourably . . . while the opposite might be expected.’
Quelle surprise: once patriarchy’s gone, feminine women act in feminine ways: more impulsive and more likely to indulge hypergamous dissatisfaction.
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“Women lie, and women lie a lot when the question has to do with their romantic longings and sexual history.”
Did Heartiste not report in this blog some time ago the scientific proof of how women underreport their sexual histories? How did that study get around the underreporting? and was that technique applied in this digit ratio study as well?
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Looking at my own hand, I can see that the ratio is indeterminate. I can hold my fingers to produce any ratio I want, within a few percentage points in either direction. How do you standardize this?
[CH: the linked study answers your question. it was standardized by measuring from the crease nearest the palm to the tip of the finger.]
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not that I care least for the asshole
but his case exemplifies
the scale of Divorce Rape Industrial Complex
I wonder why marriage rates are down in the West? https://t.co/ursLvmaRic
— RAMZPAUL (@ramzpaul) December 6, 2018
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Many OB-GYNs now give weekly IM Progesterone shots to their pregnant patients with a past history of pre-term b!rth.
And they’re even starting to give Progesterone as a vaginal gel for women with short cervixes.
Has anyone seen any studies of the effects of these artificially elevated Progesterone levels on the ch!ld in utero?
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I did research on this during my last pregnancy, the shots were recommended to me because of such history. There is little follow-up on humans, but male rats born to females given the shots seemed normal until they reach sexual maturity, when they do not develop secondary sex characteristics and are unable to function reproductively.
Sounds like a good explanation for a lot of the young androgyne soyboys out there, no?
I declined the treatment, and delivered at term a healthy baby boy.
People need to look into this stuff, IMO.
Long term reader, first time commenter.
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the hormone is administered at the time when the baby’s sex organs are developing, flooding the delicate balance in the womb with extra female hormones. Progesteone is used for chemical castration for sex offenders and m2f trannies.
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(((They))) are doing it on purpose.
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Sophia, if you have any URLs [links to research studies], then PLEASE post them.
Thanks.
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Thought I’d post this Bumble exchange I had as it’s a good example of a lot of game techniques. Hope I don’t get stuck in mod.
Her: Hey hru
Me: gd u
(Ed: I am so sick to the back teeth of chicks and their lazy-ass openers that I just fight fire with fire now)
Her:I’m alright what you upto?
Me: having lunch & looking at your pics. You?
Her: I’m home sick unfortunately. Haha you like what you see?
Me: i did until you said you were sick (disgust emoji)
Her: Oh
Her: Well that’s kinda awkward
Her: What you got planned for the weekend?
(Ed: neg leads to her asking me my plans. Lol)
Me: thinkin of buyin’ a new car. You’re clearly gonna be in bed all wkend
Her: Oh awesome what sort of car
(Ed: Cue lengthy para about all the made up bullshit she’s doing this weekend)
Me: doing much tonight?
Her: nothing planned think my housemates staying in so might watch a movie, you?
Me: yeah just relaxing at this point. Might open a bottle of something or have a few beers
Her: that sounds amazing. You could go all out and eat cheese too
Me: (eyeroll emoji) fine you bring the cheese
Her: haha it’s a date. What part of town are you?
Enjoy my bros
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how bout inventing a technology that ahctually has been invented before
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Rise of this cunt opens a new era in american demoncracy, namely the one of diversity commie cunt being elected time after time with the vote of her ilk
While europe has been for long time dealing with overt commies the murrica turn has just come
The quality of American political discourse is soaring to intellectual heights that shouldn’t even be possible. pic.twitter.com/xVW8x6zBBj
— McFeels (@JMcfeels) December 6, 2018
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She’s not all that bad looking for an NPC bugwoman mystery meat with sh!t for rhinoplasty.
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looks like a lot of right wing men would f*uck her
She is 6 or perhaps 7 at the best day but there is something sexual, something inviting calling you to desecrate that red temple
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“…something inviting calling you to desecrate that red temple.”
yute
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*youth
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I might donate $50 to her and vote for her for a laugh. People like her will accelerate the impending collapse and get it over with and I want white shitlibs to suffer the consequences of their actions as they are pushed aside.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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I’ve been building comfort with this girl I’ve written about here, and she’s been opening up, and behaving satisfactorily, but what I’m learning about her is not boner inspiring. She has genuine issues, and if I stick my dick in her and bail, it’ll damaging to her.,
So I’m at a moral impasse. I don’t think I should sex her, because I don’t think I could date her long term based on what I’ve learned.
She’s very pretty, but in terms of adding value to my life, I don’t think that’s possible, at least I can’t see it from my current vantage point.. This one comes with issues.
She needs Jesus, and the only thing I could do for her is lead her in that direction.
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Man, I really like this one, but I feel that feeling starting to slip away.
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It sucks to have a conscience, Holmes.
I have left so much* p00ntang on the table on account of Muh Conscience.
Life is soooooooooo much easier for Psychopaths.
*Like mountains of friggin p00ntang which muh conscience instructed moi to walk away from.
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There is nothing more asexual more bang killing than bringing jesus into a story of seduction
All of these women need jesus lolz but some other day not tonite
Bring seduction back
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seducing women does not equal psychopathy
if you leave p00ntang on table somebody else will take it
you will not in any way help a woman that instinctively desire to be seduced
preaching jesus to her
she may feel bad about what she is going to do yet that very fact excites her even more
she will, in most if not all cases, hate you more for that than the one f*ucked and dumped her
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cortesar, it’s about MY conscience being clean & clear.
I can’t be pumping & dumping a chick with obvious mental health problems.
That’s almost like mo1esting ch!ldren.
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You’re coming to the realisation that “dating” without marriage BREAKS women.
PUA breaks women.
Premarital sex breaks women.
And we wonder why our women suck so bad lol.
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yet you live in a world that abandoned those premises
it is self defeating to play a game with old rules while other play with new ones and cheat incessantly
I know a man who suffered immensely despite marrying a virgin “paysan”
until the time the old rules are reestablished by the force of laws and mores you have to live in this world in which almost all is stacked against you and where allies are few and far between
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>>>>> “genuine issues”
Can you give us a quick rundown?
Starting with whether her Bio-Mom is still m@rried to her Bio-Dad?
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Yeah, DON’T pump and dump. Every time we do that, we leave one more chick a little more bitter–thereby contributing to the overall problem. By all means, talk to her about Jesus if you’re so inclined. (But then, if that’s how you roll, why are you even considering sex without commitment?)
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The Bifurcated Senses: when two of your senses, hearing and sight in this case, are pulled apart by equally strong stimuli. It’s like a composition with two objects competing for dominance. Not what you want normally, “too much of a good thing” is real
The perfect mostly-acoustic rock song. The perfect woman.
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FREEPER rbg81: “It’s not just IQ. Young people look fundamentally different today from when I was younger. There are still good looking young people, but far fewer of them. It is almost like there has been some kind of genetic collapse.”
6/14/2018, 9:38:37 AM http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3663075/posts?page=25#25
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You just don’t very many chicks anymoar with that bone structure & that skin texture & that BMI.
Obviously part of it is obesity & the sedentary lifestyle.
But something else is going on.
My money is on all the endocrine disruptors, from BCPs to flax/soy to plastics to WTFE.
Or it could be simply that the best among us aren’t making enough b@bies.
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But I can’t disagree with Freeper rbg81’s instinctual reaction of “genetic collapse”.
Something is badly BADLY wrong.
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You just don’t SEE very many chicks anymoar with that bone structure & that skin texture & that BMI…
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The familiar feeling of looking at teenage girls… none of whom are exactly fat but they do have that asexual chunky look. Thick thighs, short legs, no waist, bloated faces, dull eyes.
Shitty diet, GMO, HFCS.
You see much less of it in the upper middle class, even in aspiring middle classes. And in lower classes as well… lots of diamonds in the rought there as well.
Go out to the country, and those places are full of healthy teens.
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— You just don’t SEE very many chicks anymoar with that bone structure
Circa 2008, I made a comment here about a chick I saw in Baltimore who had “ballerina legs,” as I put it. I wrote that she was probably European, as local chicks all have thick thighs. That comment upset a regular female commenter. Don’t remember her handle, just recall that she was pretty red pilled.
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– You just don’t SEE very many chicks anymoar with that bone structure
Circa 2008, I made a comment here about a chick I saw in Baltimore who had “ballerina legs,” as I put it. I wrote that she was probably European, as local chicks all have thick thighs. That comment upset a regular female commenter. Don’t remember her handle, just recall that she was pretty red pilled
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PA, I don’t know WTF it is, but it’s something man.
There are tons of HB6s, but HB8s are getting to be about as rare as hens’ teeth.
Something is WRONG.
PS: Agree with the countryside remark. So much moar p00ntang when you drive out of town, away from the Blue precincts, and into the Deep Red precincts.
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– but HB8s are getting to be about as rare as hens’ teeth.
An exercise in recall: how many girls do you remember looking like that actress in Amanda above in the 80s?
Maybe not many? My 80s high school yearbook has so many nice looking girls, but few had the model-legs.
Today’s HB6s would have been 7’s or even maybe 8’s thirty years ago, with better diet, femininity, effort. They just don’t have the incentive to try hard now.
We grew up with a popular culture that catered to human tastes, hence surfeit of girls like Tawny Kitaen in that Whitesnake video, the girl in “Wicked Game” video, etc. Were they in fact all that common then, though, in daily life?
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For some reason I thought that Tawny Kitaen had died young. Nope, she’s alive and 57, in good shape and posting thottish selfies on Twatter. She does have two daughters, so those genes were passed onward.
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Are breast sizes changing too? It seems like all the young girls are fat (sure their tits are big,but not if she looses the weight) or are skinny with small boobs.
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Tiny breasts.
Salamander necks.
Telephone-Pole thighs.
WTFE it is, there just ain’t many HB8s anymoar.
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Tell us what to think, Jews.
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Occupy Wall Street came from the right, before you infiltrated it, Jew.
It was a “right wing” protest of the (((bank bailout))). That’s populist.
God these Jews are stupid.
#weknow
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“We don’t know what they want.”
Same exact line (((they))) used about Occupy.
We’ve seen this playbook before, Jews.
👌🏻
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Oy vey we don’t know what they want!!
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-yellow-vests-and-why-there-are-so-many-street-protests-in-france
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but but goy you are so privileged you will have a chance by (((grace)))
to see shindler’s list again
do not miss this unique opportunity to feel even more guilty than it humanly possible
lolzzzzzzzzzzzz
Completely bereft of new ideas, the J-Left is bringing back old propaganda. https://t.co/8E6yNa46Z8
— Will Westcott 🎄❄️ (@westland_will) December 6, 2018
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A Swindler’s List trivia fact: the sole moment of color in this b/w film is when a little Polish girls rabidly screams at the jews as they are shipped off for the shoah. There was a follow-up interview with her 20 years later, in which the now-adult actress said that Spielberg advised her to not see the movie until she is grown up. She did wait to see it, and said that she regrets appearing in that scene.
Something all Americans indubitably learned in public schools: when the USSR occupied eastern parts of Poland, local Jews — almost all of whom were ommunists prior to the war — think — contemporary SJWs — eagerly assisted the Soviets in identifying “class enemies”, which resulted in over a million Poles shipped to Siberia.
This expatriation involved cattle cars, and months of transport in freezing temperatures. So when the USSR pulled back when Germans pushed east, there were socres to be settIed.
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Populist left and populist right hold more or less the same opinion of Big Banking.
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In other words, wishful thinking, Jews.
Keep trembling.
May you suffer a heart attack from the stress.
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Lol the fact he originally thought delaying tax for 6 months would be enough shows you just how stupid and out of touch these communists are.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/05/victory-macron-permanently-cancels-planned-fuel-tax-hike-after-yellow-vest-protests/
Macron you faggot, they are still coming for you Saturday. 😘
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Saturday has been hyped up so much that you just know it is going to be a flop.
One of my many red pill moments was how (((John not his real name Stewart))) sent in John Oliver to Occupy and totally mock it.
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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/06/rebellion-spreads-yellow-jackets-plan-action-across-netherlands/
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“…something inviting calling you to desecrate that red temple.”
yute
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ignore…was a comment for further up the thread.
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