In the March 2013 Beta of the Month contest, nominee #2 was a plush squeezable who constructed a twelve day extravaganza proposal for his chubby girlfriend, filmed it and set it to music by twelve indie band drummers (which must have cost a pretty penny, if they weren’t doing it as a favor for him). Commenter RappaccinisDaughter suggested a motivation for these elaborate proposal rituals:
The epic-proposal guy is forgivable because there’s kind of a cultural push in certain circles to plan ever-more-elaborate proposals. It’s more of a dick-measuring contest than anything else. He’s establishing among his circle that he’s the most clever, thoughtful, meticulous one among them.
Male status whoring? No. Men status whore by parading a hot babe on their arms. That’s how they deliver in the most direct manner possible the message that they have the goods to outcompete other men. No man that I know is impressed by a creatively exhaustive epic proposal event. If anything, men feel the opposite feeling when they are exposed to these courtship calisthenics by princess pedestalizing suck-up chumps: they feel disgust. Repugnance. Pity. Even contempt. No man watches one of these Cannes Film Festival proposals and thinks to himself, “Now there’s a high status alpha male I’d like to emulate.”
Usually what they’re saying to themselves instead is something like, “What a tool. She’s already got his balls in a jar.”
The reason is simple: Men sacrifice more by committing to marriage. It is the woman who is “alpha” for successfully extracting commitment from a man. A man who gives up his commitment is the equivalent of a woman who gives up her pussy; no skill involved, so no reflection on their respective statuses.
Here’s a better theory to explain the recent surge in elaborate, saccharine proposals:
It’s mate guarding behavior by beta males.
The beta male is essentially signaling to potential male competitors that his wife-to-be was so ostentatiously wooed by him she will never entertain the thought of cheating with another man, so don’t bother. He has her on “lock-down“. The elaborate proposal is also a mate guarding signal to the girlfriend that the beta male will jealously patrol the boundaries of his one-woman harem. It is perhaps even a signal to other women that he has enough energy to sustain the company of a mistress, although I would expect this latter reason to be more indicative of the machinations of a greater beta or alpha male.
Why would the elaborate proposal surge in frequency and fussiness in our current dystopian Beaver Runner society? Well, extreme mate guarding behavior is what you find in societies where paternity guarantee is low, fidelity guarantee is low, and cock carousel cad hopping risk is high. Or at least the normal social constraints on cock carouseling are loosened. Beta males in such societies are horribly outgunned by sexy cads, because the usual leverage that beta males bring to the marital table — their resources — has been devalued by women’s economic self-sufficiency and generous state and corporate largesse.
The game insight here should be clear: don’t mate guard. Or, more precisely, don’t transparently mate guard. If you mate guard, you signal your betatude. The more diligently you mate guard, the more your girl will perceive you as having few mate options other than herself, and her labia will wither like rose petals in a Texas drought. Because chicks dig dudes who could fuck other chicks if they had a mind to.
It’s ridiculous how my super feminist lbgt rights teenage single mom Facebook friends constantly complain about marriage being oppressive and patriarchal and yet they keep posting “the cutest engagement video ever omg tears”. Make me weep for my gender. Feminists are so hypocritical.
this is the kindz of elaborate proposalz dat work best:
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You could post a video of my proposal to my wife but it’d be at the tail end of a porno. Yeah, it was an immediately-post-bang proposal and I didn’t beg but said, “When are we going to get married?” Same exact words my dad said to my mom to propose. I don’t think he said it post-bang but he was a damn good role model anyhow.
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dat was the difference between you and all da otherz menz
you popped the questionzz
dey took off
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Ditto on this one myself. More like:” I guess we could give it a shot”
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dariusjackson
THURSDAY, MAR 14, 2013 09:49 AM PDT
This See You Next tuesday lives in a Vaginal fantasy world. This dumb ass beeyotch wants “eekwality”? Her whole life she has been lifted up,helped,assisted,bailed out,encouraged,opportunized and monetized by M_E_N!!! And she still complains she di’n get enough affirmative akshun!And yet this over privileged koont–given a position that she is in way over her head and in which she will no doubt fail–and blame somebody ELSE–is still blubbering about eekwality! Feck you ya Old Yenta sow! Yenta yenta yenta!! I like ehr comment about f*cking “bad boyzz” (n*ggers??)but marrying sweet wimps. Must make her husband feel goot!!!! LOL! F8ck this ugly beeyotch!”
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The irony is that “mate guarding” is exactly the thing that will push a woman into sperm competition.
FAIL
“The more diligently you mate guard, the more your girl will perceive you as having few mate options other than herself, and her labia will wither like rose petals in a Texas drought.”
A fitting analogy, indeed. Mate guarding is for suckers. Mate hunting, on the other hand…
I wonder which of the cads will tag Mrs. Epic Proposal when she is on her honeymoon.
I even saw evidence of mate guarding while I was at the gym. Some chick was in the same room as me…and her dude kept looking in every few minutes or so.
Here is one area where I have a more masculine view. Elaborate proposals for some reason have the opposite effect on me that a woman is supposed to have. IOWs it’s kinda pathetic in my eyes to see a man do a dog and pony show for a proposal. I don’t find anything remotely attractive, cool or sexy about it. I know that’s probably the WRONG way to feel as a woman but it just reeks of butt kissing to the billionth degree.
In fact I was calling on one of my offices and when I walked in the staff (3 girls and 2 gay guys) were hovering over their computers watching and oohing and awwwwing over one of those you tube proposals where the guy did a mini movie/ music video in the street with hundreds of people as a proposal.
They were so giddy and I felt pressure to pretend that I, too found that amazing. But I didn’t want to disappoint them so I just said “yeah it’s sweet but I kinda get embarrassed by stuff like that” when I really wanted to say “UGH!!!”
Hey.–
Such proposals are cringe-worthy and you shouldn’t be afraid to say as much.
You might even enjoy acting a little out of character, Neecy.
Ha! I know but I couldn’t damper their party. LOL
I know that’s probably the WRONG way to feel as a woman but it just reeks of butt kissing to the billionth degree.
I’d say you’re normal in this regard.
Seems kinda like buying gifts in that it sends the message, “I’m not good enough for you on my own merits”, kinda DLVish
Agree. Some of these proposals are sickening. Would love to see a “No” to one of these. As usual, CH is dead on in burying the “sweet guy” myth. Would love to see a post/hear any tips on relationship game.
Here: http://www.manolith.com/2013/02/14/she-said-no-10-cringe-worthy-failed-marriage-proposals-videos/
+10
I’m noticing the chics put their hand or hands over their mouths and pretty much all face below the nose. Are they hiding their reactions and so their true feelings? Feeling vulnerable without the covert facade, ladies?
Hypothesis: Less face hiding = less apprehension = more successful marriage
Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5226A8ih_o0
What this proves, of course, is the Great Female Con theory that women are (1) evil and (2) more immature. Notice in the one where the GIRL did the asking (after a 2 week courtship) (psycho), the psycho went totally ballistic, whereas in all of the other ones where the poor nice guy beta schlub was rejected, he took it “like a man” (that saying was created for a reason) and was generally calm and took it, even though HE had a right to be pissed.
If the girl asked him to marry her after a mere two weeks, she was obviously psycho. The dude dodged a bullet.
Notice also that she was British. UK women are the worst on the planet.
Theres a lot to be said for a man who does a loving but more personal proposal to a woman. It says to me he is confident and not seeking outside approval.
Yes. That type of neediness is so typically female- instant turn off. Like guys on instagram who take selfies…..
When guys go out w/ guys, we don’t take pics of ourselves for online. That’s a girl thing. A guy taking a pic of himself does not mean he has no friends. Girls take group pics on girls night out. Guys night out, we don’t take pics of ourselves to attention whore later with.
When I proposed to Grizelda,I got down on one knee and had a violinist play “I Honestly Love You”. it was so beautiful! She said yes,but it turns out I couldnt help her regain her lost self esteem from a previous abusive relationship with a black negro rapper. she had an affair with Ndamukiong Suh.I forgave her but then she ran off with a homeless negro,who she had been counseling.sad.
thank god we all know exactly what you mean. this exact scenario has happened to us all
@Neecy Maybe you are a wonderful deviant as in NAWALT (still not scientifically proven ever), but I’m calling your reasoning BS anyway. Women are in constant social climbing evaluation and escalation mode. Women like their roses delivered in a very public way. Before I found the Manosphere, I had noooo idea why. If a man proposes in private, doesn’t that indicate no balls? no meaningful social status? While I believe a man can overemphasize public display and betray his self-perceived lack of worth, the opposite is not the answer, yet again.
The man must simply exude confidence and solid social status when he XcourtsX favors his woman. It’s got to be about him when he does anything about her, and that is the precise dimension and spectrum of consideration. For a chic, you’re pretty cool, Neecy. I favor low maintenance because value is profit not gross expenditure, and it’s a man’s world. (Currently a NWO man’s world; I tell only truth here.
I’ve never had any romantic proposal fantasies. I think a nice proposal would be a guy putting a ring on your finger and then saying, “There.” lol
You forgot “Now go make me a sandwich”
lol- Did everybody stoping hating you?
If it’s my first comment, it goes to Scott.
Or, I have no idea how it works…
I like low key proposals, also. I think CH had a friend that did the same thing, and said, “Looks better now.”. I would assume if a man ask a woman to marry him, he loves her.
That must be where I heard it then. Kinda spooky the way its all found its way into my subconscious. I’ve been whitewashed!
Why’s it gotta be white?
“might as well make it legal,” tossing a box with the ring at her is probably the best way.
I like the way you think.
mate guarding
woman like to see their man beat up another dude who crosses the line
i like to see my chick beat up a chick who crosses the line
its fun
lostas cockas for da ladeiez zlzozzlzolzloz
its wild to me that bitches are still in fear for their lives at my house from my former chick
I remember mentioning to my then boyfriend (now husband) how it was a little annoying he never got jealous when other guys hit on me. He would actually use it as a way to get freebies- “Can you ask that guy to buy you cigarettes?”. I’m amazed at all the things he did “right”.
Flavia, haha I’ve used my gf to get drinks before. What advice would you give as far as doing things “right”? Can you elaborate?
Sure. I was used to guys fawning over me, chasing after me if I ran off pissed, calling me a million times if I flaked etc. You get the deal. So I’ll give you the most salient example I have…..
-I am from a foreign country. When I mentioned this, most guys would fawn over how amazing my “heritage” was, try to talk to me in one of the languages…One guy even wore a shirt with one of my country’s soccer clubs on our first group date. I never even kissed any of those guys. Instantly not attracted. I don’t know why.
-Same situation when I met Husband. We talked and it came up. He said, “Oh, so did you ride a mule to school?” with a big fucking grin. I was so taken aback. The first guy to not treat me like the most special snowflake in all the land. I was intrigued (and he was really handsome)…
So stuff like that…no fawning, more joking, no chasing, no mate guarding, he never ran after me when I took off after a fight (happened once, never again- I remember storming back to the house “Why didn’t you run after me?”)…..it still took a while for me to come around (I wanted to make sure he wasn’t a cad- he isn’t), but after a few months I was entirely his…..
I dunno if this helps, he’s just naturally a cocky motherfucker.
you, like everyone else, will be divorced one day too. you’re not 36 yet, are you?
What a terrible thing to say to someone as well as untrue. It seems incredibly unlikely in this case.
So did you? (Ride a mule to school.)
Yes.
women love men who don’t need them. a man who doesn’t fawn or mate guard is likely a man with options. so if that man chooses you over the others, you feel special.
women detest being pedestalized. a woman put on a pedestal by a man is by definition looking down on him. no woman wants to be with a man beneath her if she can help it. women want men they can look up to.
“a woman put on a pedestal by a man is by definition looking down on him.”
Nice one.
I always say: If you’re going to put a woman on a pedestal, make sure you put yourself on one too.
This.
I have lived abroad and dated many foreign women. I learned quickly that the fastest path to pussy is by being a cultural chauvinist — valuing your own culture over hers, even if you’re in her country. I don’t mean in a rude way or anything, but don’t try to show “sensitivity” or even try hard to speak her language. Kid her a bit about funny things in her culture.
I realized that this works because seduction depends on you sucking her into your world, not trying to gain entry into hers. Any woman who would date a foreigner is probably intrigued by foreign culture anyway.
15 years married to a Portuguese woman. I never learned her language but I did teach her to speak Hillbilly: Vittles anyone?
i never did a proposal
but i thought it was kind of cute lol
i faked one for my former chick and she had to beg he he he
put a ring on her finger and sad happy birthday
I hate to probe a sore anus, but I always feel *strangely* about married women posting here.
I can’t imagine having a woman who’d want to join this filthy sweating masculine scrum.
We need a post where all the ladies’ husbands write in. That would be a doozy.–
There’s a great concept! I wonder how women process this stuff and why they would be part of the community, assuming they are not guv agents to nudge the convos away from rival intelligence. I don’t presume females can’t have private reasons to participate. Married women think differently, and if they have more red-pill knowledge than their husbands, what does that mean for the social dynamics? Maybe the husbands are naturals who don’t get the cold logic of sexed evo theory and the wives of such husbands are instinctively comfortable with the social vibe of the Manosphere.
@ n/a “I hate to probe a sore anus” .
That is serious word crafting right there
I have been wondering the same thing. I know there may be many more who just read and not post.
All those bitches can suck mah dick.
I’ve always thought that the size of the rock on the engagement ring was an indicator of the husband’s betatude and degree of mate guarding.
∞
^This.
^Second This.
Every once in a while, I discover beta bits still lingering inside me in axiomatic isolation. The idea of marriage repulses me, yet the idea of not getting a substantial diamond if I did…well, time for another revision as the final stage of the Socratic method cycle. With this used up chewing gum made into a circle, I thee harem. Your employment is an at-will relationship. Welcome aboard, honey.
Not really mate guarding- just male courtship display, like a peacock’s feathers. Mate guarding is different (see: Paula Broadwell). The elaborate display of resources is directed- it shows fitness to take care of the intended bride, not necessarily others- although the display (as with peacocks) to one intended mate will be seen (and have an effect on) other hens within view.
This is at the basic level of elementary evolved sexual behaviors, but it’s clearly been blown up into grotesque proportions by the usual (dysfunctional) cultural factors discussed regularly here: princess/pedestal syndrome, beta/herb syndrome, etc. fwiw, I agree that elaborate proposals (and expensive weddings) are nauseating and ridiculous.
@maurice, an interesting idea to evaluate. I would agree the mate guarding is instead courtship display if and only if the man was taking the relationship from a nonsexual to a sexual type. But in such a case the guy is a guy without options and so the display IS mate guarding: he is totally invested under a monopoly regime. I would go so far as to say it could ADDITIONALLY be a courtship display if the man is trying to secure sex he does not yet have, but I don’t think that disproves His Eminence or Their Eminences on this post. I welcome debate and discussion on this in the exploration of knowledge.
doug- interesting point. I view proposal traditions as akin to courtship rituals- whether or not sex has preceded the proposal. In traditional societies (arranged marriages, dowry, etc.) they were, of course, more-or-less one and the same. In our more confused and decadent times, the link is attenuated but still there. Mate-guarding behavior is related to jealousy and controlling the behavior of one’s mate and potential competitors- neither of which is present in courtshop or proposals. Except perhaps the explicit promise of monogamy- which is seprarable from mate-guarding. Futher thoughts welcome.
As you pointed out, the “Lock-in” is a lie, so this Beta is trying something ultimately ineffective. He is probably signaling to other males “ok, try to outbid me”. If the chick is somehow worth it, such will happen, otherwise he is paying BMW prices for a rusty Chevy.
Engagement used to be a (trans-)tribal affair, both families parents consulted, or even better, having to ask the existing guardian – her father – for permission to marry her. We were all happier (in many senses) back then. You know, when we had dowry. Now in a farce and parody, we have 30-something women with 401k’s fatter than they are pairing with betas.
There is a point when the society is dying a slow death to get whatever enjoyment you can get before the final collapse.
C’mon… “chubby”? She’s no prize pig, but her weight is fine.
[CH: She’s chubby by the 1959 Met Life insurance table standards, aka what normal slender women used to look like before they all went to pot (belly).]
Is it just me, or is every woman who doesn’t fit a narrowly defined template labeled “fat” or “manjawed” by the manosphere?
[It’s just you. But thanks for trolling and strawmanning.]
Smoove, she’s fat and disgusting. A total pig.
Called out in a CH post–now I can die happy!
You make very interesting points, and it’s not that I disagree with you…”dick-measuring contest” doesn’t necessarily preclude “mate-guarding.” It can be both. The specific reason why I phrased it that way is that I have, on several occasions, heard men bragging to their friends about their elaborate proposals.
If I recall correctly, the first time I heard it, it was a group of male colleagues and me (so, shorthand, a group of guys, one of whom has long hair and wears high heels). It really sounded like they were trying to impress each other. The second time, a mixed group. The third time, I overheard a conversation between two guys on a plane.
Interestingly, I’ve never heard a man brag about how much he spent on the engagement ring. I’ve heard women brag about it amongst themselves, though. A lot. And they’re pretty transparently catty about it, too.
Any time you can make a comment about dick measuring in a purely intellectual way is kudos to me. It looks like a dick measuring contest from the brainwashed beta view, but then betas are always wrong about social dynamics by design. Those guys you write of are lord betas, and maybe they have been called out.
“It looks like a dick measuring contest from the brainwashed beta view, but then betas are always wrong about social dynamics by design.”
And here you unite my theory with Heartiste’s. From *their* POV, it’s a DMC. They’re unaware that what they are doing is actually subconscious mate-guarding…and why they have to do it.
I feel bad for implying these guys are lord betas, though. My colleagues in particular are all very masculine in a traditional sense. Definitely not running around in skinny jeans or toting any man-purses.
I feel bad for implying these guys are lord betas, though. My colleagues in particular are all very masculine in a traditional sense. Definitely not running around in skinny jeans or toting any man-purses.
—You know, I hear this a lot from people. “He’s not a SWPL-mangina because of X or Y.”
Perhaps, but have they ever openly and unabashedly expressed totally un-p.c. thoughts publically/in mixed company (e.g. black v. non black IQ/civilized nature; heartiste-esque views on women, or Arab-esque views, if man is white; statements on gays and child-molesting/AIDS/mental diseases; etc.).
Reminds me of a story about Enoch Powell (look him up,an early victim of the modern Cathedral whom history has proved oh so very right):
A young man came to Powell after a speech. Young man says, “Mr. Powell, I’ve long supported you and your arguments.” Powell responds: “How? Have you contributed to my campaigns, or people like me? Written public letters? Spoken out to friends in support of my views?” The young man was speechless and ashamed.
The point being that unless you’re publicly, vocally, and/or financially supporting a certain anti-p.c. or anti-orthodox ideal, you’re just pretending to, and are really one of the masses going along with it.
Erm. I can’t give any details or you may very well guess where I work. But the answer to your question is a rather emphatic “yes.”
Erm. I can’t give any details or you may very well guess where I work
—Those details must be hella specific if just stating them gives away your exact employment location!
Oh well. Instead of details—-TIT PICS OR GTFO.
CLOWN MASK OR GTFO.
military?
CLOWN MASK OR GTFO.
—Ladies first.
military?
—Yeah, but still—military wouldn’t give away her exact location. Unless she’s at US CENTCOM.
IN CASE YOU HAVEN’T PICKED UP ON THIS YET, WHOREFINDER, I AIN’T NO LADY.
Sounds like Enoch Powell employed shaming language. Having mind share is power unto itself. I would not waste my money unless I had too much of it. I would not attract defeat at the hands of the establishment either. I would calculate as much as Powell obviously was and look at the likely RIO.
Shaming language is valid when its something to be ashamed about. Like not supporting the truth when lies are all around.
If enough men had supported Powell, we would not be here today. And I’m not even British.
@whorefinder I have this reply all typed out in flash of my wordpress account but lost it when I moved the mouse. Here is sketch of it.
I wish enough men could have supported Powell and won, but that was impossible, in hindsight I know. Women vote, in the majority in the US. Does not take many men to put the majority of women being women over the top, and anyway the Hegelian dialectic and big money (free money of seignoriage) is unstoppable and owns anything it want to own, at least enough to get any consent necessary.
In US history, under current constitution, both banks before Fed were 20 year charters not renewed. Now women vote so forget abolishing the unstoppable sovereignty of oligarchic seignoriage. The cancer is the cure. We must hope for an economic collapse. A controlled decline leads to easy victory called domestication. To prevent an oligarchy from ever rising again, we need to (A) constitutionally outlaw credit linked to taxation or any government force involving third parties or value outside of the ‘investment’ deal, and (B) constitutionally outlaw female suffrage that can rival male suffrage, i.e it could be weighted in a post-industrial world to have woman’s suffrage at all.
Before all that, the useful idiots are in the way and must go. The cancer is the cure. I recommend people stuck inside the machine improve their survival chances and/or live for now with what money they have or can get.
Per no-ma’am’s account, this is the process were are in:
(0) men -> women -> children
(1) women -> men -> children
(2) children ->women -> children
The fiat money is ridiculous. Per Breitbart and Blazing Cat Fur, the Toronto School District linked on their website to positive.org. Try this: positive.org -> “Just Say Yes” link -> “Pro Sex” link -> last bullet: “play with your own or someone else’s ass or vagina, put your fingers, dildoes, vegetables, or buttplugs into them.”
Furthermore:
(a) http://www.youthrights.org/
(b) http://www.freechild.org/SNAYR/suffrage.htm
(c) http://peacefromharmony.org/
It will take lost of culling to get a gene pool capable of free civilization. I aspire to live with philosopher-kings who maintain a brotherhood of citizenry because the know what to do all by themselves, not because some influential people shame them. However, that is an end goal I aspire to reach. As far as means go, shaming language is absolutely necessary. Context justifies the means. The ends justifying the means question is just more shaming language. Until useful idiots are removed and (A) and (B) are established under civic patriarchy, shaming language is indeed a meritorious tool. I don’t question Powell’s merits on proper policy but proper strategy. We can’t win except in a risky Judo move way where the establishment eliminates useful idiots who cease to be useful and become too many mouths to feed. Try to survive it and live for now. End of stump speech. I hope it was entertaining if not relevant. I should really do something offline today.
Called out in a CH post–now I can die happy!
—Mine was better.
RAPE!
Well, of course it was, whorefinder. Yours had RAPE. RAPE is the bacon of comments; everything you add it to is automatically awesome.
I had an earlier one called “How Time Ruins a Woman.” I posted the story on Heartiste as a comment, then re-posted it at my blog. The Master was kind enough to post it on the front page:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/the-bar-girl-ten-years-later/
My posting at my blog: http://whoresoftheinternet.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/how-time-ruins-a-woman/
The Master spoke baby. I win.
That is indeed a creamy-rich tale of schadenfreude. I savored it like a good novel, or a beautiful vista, or RAPE.
It’s not schadenfreude, although I can see why it comes off that way. I’m not happy she turned out to be old, fat, dumpy, and beat-up; I feel no bad feelings towards her, and wish her only the best in life. I wish she were still hot. She did nothing bad to me or anyone that I know of. God bless her, or whatever good feelings one can wish her. She always came off as very sweet and nice, if in a skanky way.
I was trying to point out what bad decisions do to a woman, and how their time at the top is indeed very fleeting. I was also trying to show how game can improve a man and his vantage point and his options. But nothing is about any revenge or any gladness at her crumble.
Did you just display a shred of non-rapey emotion? Who are you, and what have you done with whorefinder? I WILL CUT YOU.
Really liked that post, the comments are also worth a laugh or two
back in the old days of this blog, there was a post on how to propose like an alpha. Every guy who’s thinking of getting married should read that to at least realize the biggest thing, the girl should be pressuring you to marry before you even consider it. Pressure may be too strong of a word, so let’s put it this way: she is so in love that there’s no question that she’s willing to be monogamous and such. Not that I am married or anything but it seems to me that the lesson learned is don’t try to seal the deal with an elaborate begging festival.
If she’s not actively dropping hints then forget about it. You won’t be happy with the jumbotron proposal failure you’ll encounter. It should go without saying that a girl who is a “strong independent (old) woman” pushing for marriage before her cooter caves in is different that a tight, hot 25 year old girl casually mentioning wedding rings.
If she is already signed, sealed, delivered, then when you do propose, use the occasion to perform an outdated, obsolete thing, something that judges assign no legal weight to…sign a prenup. It still can’t hurt. Unless she’s rich, in which case you never know, you could win in the end.
Marriage Strike.. It’s not just catchy, it’s all you need to know about the ‘Marriage 2.0 question’.
having worked in office where most of my colleagues were post-wall, divorced women, at our christmas lunch the subject of conversation came on to marriage, i told them a tame form of my views and how i don’t intend to go through with it, they were almost all offended, but there was one woman (approaching the wall) who sympathised and realised how big of a commitment it is for a man to make. i thought that this is the only attitude by which a woman deserves to get married and which is most likely to end in long-term success, pressure or nagging from a woman to push it through can only mean one thing. its the opposite to a man chasing a good girl, the more readily she puts out, the cheaper she is. the elaborate proposal got my vote, its the male equivilant of a prostitute showing her vagina on the street, he’s indicating his market value is that cheap.
My boyfriend is super possessive. He impedes my ability to have a normal social life because he will try to sabotauge my efforts to go to social events without him. I rarely try to socialize, but some of the events he has discouraged me from attending include an alumni event and a ballet performance with a female friend.
My boyfriend, like a lot of men I know, really really wants to be in his beta element. He sees being in a state of looking for woman after woman to sleep with as empty and needy. To him, it fosters an addiction to attention. I’ve heard this from several guys who claim that they want to quit playing the field to settle down.
(1) Not a healthy relationship; you must be here for therapy.
(2) It has been argued in this sphere that only men love, so I don’t discount men wanting to settle down, like I do women saying they do. I don’t think it’s necessarily beta to settle down, but betas necessarily chase settling down as conditioned. Your guy seems beta. Caveat emptor. Of course, alphas are far more rewarded for not settling down the way feminism has run amok and the way childrenism is about to. I don’t know what a red-pill woman who wants to settle down should do. Maybe a red-pill greater beta is the ticket.
she’s here for the alpha attention.
Maybe. A harmless and non threatening form of alpha attention. Aside from that though, I appreciate the quality of writing and intellectual vantage point, even if I disagree with it.
he probably wouldn’t want you posting pictures of your ass online for other men’s approval either. What a conrolling possessive jerk!
If your bf wasn’t beta, you wouldn’t have that pic up.
she claims he knows of her online activities, but i have a feeling she has let this one slip through the cracks (heh)
Haha, nice pun about dem buns!
dem buns dem buns gonna … walk aroun’
fx, he probably took his other date to that ballet. you gotta start staking out his house with an 870 for his other gfs…c’mon you know you wanna
It doesn’t take much to realize that the ass doesn’t belong to femnixt. I don’t need an engineer to tell me this back view does not fit her front view pics.
Jeez louise. Who cares if it’s fem’s ass or not? It’s a nice pic. Just enjoy it.
Are ya done?
I hate that I said that about my boyfriend now. I don’t mind that he monitors me a lot. Thus far in my life, that characteristic has been something I’ve really needed. I think I said that out of anger to myself for needing someone to hold my hand so much. It’s my fault for needing someone to manage my life, not his fault for being “controlling.”
It is a mistake always to be blasé about your gf/wife being hit on or going out with other men or in social groups with other men without you.
Women are turned on by commanding displays of possession or jealousy, i.e. “It is not ok for you to do X couple thing without me.”
They key is to do this sparingly but directly and always from a position of strength and standards. It sounds like your bf is passive/aggressive and doing this from a position of insecurity. That is the wrong way, and probably a big turn-off for you whether you realize it or not.
Women crave boundaries and a strong man who will say “This behavior is not ok. You will not do it. This is not up for discussion.”
Hey … didn’t you guys pause to think that perhaps he really, really loved her???
. . .
lolzlolzlolzlolz
It doesn’t matter if he loves her. He doesn’t love himself.
You know what else is an elaborate mate signalling ritual?
RAPE!
Also works when you want to negate another man’s declared mate guarding. Which is why SWPL bitches often get their asses raped by blacks; their mates offer nothing for the apes to be fearful of nor respect, so the blacks just take the sluts for all their worth. Naturally, SWPL bitches blame whitey for black misbehavior.
@RP, you were correct until you applied the social unction at the end to assuage feeeeeeelings and appear virtuous in the feminine socially unopposed sort of way. The pretty lies perish here. Your colleagues are certainly NOT very masculine in a traditional sense, going back to when Crog fucked Uki simply because he could and she liked it because no one could stop him: dominance. Are genetics are such. Wearing football pajamas on Sundays in not manly because it is vicarious and safe for cowards afraid to see what their government or themselves individually have become. And following along does raise or at least not beat down social status if you can’t operate on the outside as the elite do.
I meant @RD, as in @RappaccinisDaughter. And I tried to put the above inline, but here it is. And ‘Our genetics are such’. I guess one could say there are manly betas, as far as it goes. They will be very successful divorcés, the beta Horatio Alger archetype who succesfully spreads his seed and holds a middle class job to the end.
The guide to proposing:
1) Don’t do it on bended knee
2) Don’t do it in public
3) Don’t do it
This would happen to a Cubs fan.
OT: Just passing this along.
http://kennsvideos.blogspot.com/2013/03/white-nationalists-to-wear-white-wrist.html
Wrist bands are so lame. They should use hats
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKJAQBazMOt4bwt1fcU4BW0KUBA2F2LKByOdBOWSdKS02BEUZKGg
[CH: What’s the difference between a KK top hat and a Crips beaded necklace?]
A white scause!
I may just have to do that.
@RealityDoug: I, too, am now having problems replying inline.
Social unction isn’t solely a feminine trait; don’t you ever say things like that? Especially about people you respect and consider friends?
Not naturally do I say that, but I am painfully, Spockianly logical. Not saying that brilliant, just not seeing emotion as merit. I do it now and practice it out of necessity. Caring and respect depends on the intrinsic worth being appraised. Spock would have little use for emotional validation. The greatest respect is the clear and congruent alignment of interests. The basics of respect is the clear and congruent delineation of interests. Me man, you woman, think different. Or maybe I am a freak. I had to logically read here in Manoworld that there is such a thing as subcommunication. I was foolishly under the impression we all were civilized.
To a certain extent we are civilized, RealityDoug. And a lot of that has to do with beta males. They are, to a certain extent, the glue that holds our civilization intact. They are the ones who plotted the course to the Moon, on the backs of envelopes and using slide rules. They fought and died, with nothing but a cartoon woman painted on the side of their planes for consolation, to save us from the Nazis. And the ones who lived and came home just wanted a nice wife and a couple of kids to keep them company.
I just hate to see the term “beta male” turned into an insult. And I hate to see that insult applied to strong men, good men, who only want the best for our civilization and who are working, tirelessly, thanklessly, every day, to see it happen. And when I unwittingly applied that insult to people I’d catch a bullet for, I felt bad.
And then I felt even worse that “beta male” is now an insult instead of the cultural necessity it is.
I enjoy cringing at dudes who change their facebook statuses to “in a relationship” and/or have a profile pic of them with their trollish woman. Then of course there are the girls who you know are LTRs and don’t change their’s, aka just waiting for a better cock to hop on.
I would give her 5.5. The legs looked non-fat, belly was invisible thanks to the cloths, tits get the benefit of the doubt and face is a 5. She is not fat IMHO from what I could see in the video.
The video was disgusting though. So my vision might have suffered from visual and acustic shock syndrom.
The dude is a lesser beta with omega tendencies. He had a shit-load of people call to advice his girl to marry him? As if it needed a crowd to talk her into this…brrrrrrr
CH(plural), please accept my acknowledgemnent of your alpha status. You have almost cemented this status by providing some great game theories on your blog.I will assume CH is plural but the latter part of my comment is directed to the CH who put up the SMV test for women.I agree with 90% of the criteria, but you sir, are an extinction level BETA for endorsing anal sex, which is the sole prerogative of the lowest echelons of men. This!
My wife proposed to me. That’s the only way to marry.
Did she buy you a car and some gold bars?
Three thoughts.
One: A man’s offer of marriage to a woman is mega high value all by itself. There is no need to dress it up with elaborate planning, big rings or any of that crap. Any woman who insists on this crap is bad marriage material. Dump her immediately.
Two: A good friend pulled a mega-elaborate surprise proposal with a limousine, one-knee, flowers and all the attendant garbage. His reward? She cheated on him repeatedly, then divorced and raped him in court. I haven’t the heart to ask if he’s gotten his young children paternity-tested.
Three: I figured out the right way to do it after watching my friends. I told my wife “I want you to become my wife” spontaneously in bed one day. She cried and said yes. No engagement diamond, simple gold wedding bands I bought on the internet, simple ceremony (despite my having plenty of money). She has the right values. This is the way to do it.
BTW I also got a pre-nup. Never, ever get married without one. Here are a few things I learned:
– Bring up the pre-nup in conversation as soon as you begin thinking she could be wife-material. If she reacts poorly, dump her.
– Ask around for a good lawyer specializing in family law and divorce and check the Martindale-Hubbell legal directory. Interview at least 3 lawyers yourself face-to-face. Most lawyers will do a “consult” for free where they tell you about themselves and their experience. Get a specialist who has done many pre-nups and, ideally, who has defended men’s prenups in court. All lawyers will tell you they can do it. But believe me you want a specialist with experience about what does and does not hold up in court.
– Avoid dyke or fembot lawyers. They will prioritize their political agenda over your interests as a client. Just check their website. If it says anything like “best outcome for children” or if the lawyer looks butch forget it. Google the lawyer to see what associations they are in. Anything gay or lesbian or woman-centric or that suggests leftie leanings, forget it. Read between the lines and compare what each lawyer tells you in person. Look out for manboobs.
– Your fiancee should have her own lawyer to review the agreement without your involvement. Pay for her lawyer if necessary. If she does not have her own lawyer she can claim later that she didn’t understand the agreement. Having her own lawyer makes the pre-nup stronger.
– Name your lawyer and her lawyer in the pre-nup. That is proof both of you had counsel.
– Sign the pre-nup in front of a notary public. That way she cannot claim she signed under duress or that it’s not her signature.
– Plan ahead. Get the pre-nup done and executed no less than one month before the wedding date. If it’s done close to the wedding date she can claim you sprang it on her and she signed under duress.
– Execute two original copies — one for her, one for you. Scan it immediately for an electronic copy. Put the paper copy in a safety deposit box or other safe place.
Pre-nups mostly govern splitting of assets, not alimony or child support or custody. Don’t even try to address those in your pre-nup. State courts will do what they want in those areas.
Despite taking the measures above pre-nups can still be broken. But it’s foolish not to take every action you can to make your pre-nup as strong as possible.
Stay safe fellas.
Overall, you’re provided a very good primer on prenuptial agreements. A caveat: the laws really do vary (sometimes wildly) from state to state. For instance, certain states are quite happy to permit “no alimony” provisions. One state I am licensed in is this way. So, I think it very well could be a useful provision depending on where you live. I know some people (women and losers) like to say a prenup is admitting you won’t make it or some such. Truth is, if you have to get married or feel compelled to for some reason, a prenup says “I envision life without you. I can live without you.” The obvious message underlying it all is “keep your ass in line”
Great point. State law governs divorce and can be very different from state to state. An important note is the state you live in when you get divorced is the state whose law applies regardless of what’s in your pre-nup or where it was signed.
I live abroad. The advice I got from 2 lawyers in different US states (1 with community property law, one without) was to create a pre-nup that is not state specific and says more or less “What I earn is mine, what you earn is yours, we each keep what we came into the marriage with.” There is no express disavowal of alimony or anything, but also no mention of it. There is standard language that says this is the whole agreement between us, if we didn’t list it here (e.g. alimony) then it doesn’t apply. Hopefully if push comes to shove that will provide a measure of protection.
I think Tom Leykis had something about his pre-nup agreements on one of his shows. He also got in a retired judge who asked her if she understood the documents and hired someone else to film it.
But why get married at all? I just don’t get it.
djmickey
It doesn’t take much to realize that the ass doesn’t belong to femnixt. I don’t need an engineer to tell me this back view does not fit her front view pics.
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It could be, because I knew a girl with a body like that. But remember; when I asked her who took the picture, she said she did with her laptop. So who pressed the button to capture the picture? The Apollo 11 photos were also “too sexy” to have been taken on the moon in 1969.
In Plutarch’s Life of Julius Caesar, a story is related that Julius Caesar divorced his wife, Pompeia because of rumors of opprobrious behavior. At trial, Caesar said he knew nothing about his wife’s rumored adultery, but asserted that he divorced her because his wife “ought not even be under suspicion”
Caesar doesn’t mate guard, he “nexts”.
If your woman is not taking measures to be above suspicion, then put her ass in the street, or get your ass gone. You will never regret leaving prematurely. But you definitely will regret staying too long.
op·pro·bri·ous
/əˈprōbrēəs/
Adjective
(of language) Expressing opprobrium.
Disgraceful; shameful.
My favorite proposal line: “Wanna get hitched, my number one bitch?” I don’t remember where I read that or whether it was actually used, but if I’m ever dumb enough to marry, I’ll probably use it. Probably while my cock is relaxing in her mouth post-facial.
I’m going to agree and disagree. Agree when men have elaborate PUBLIC proposals. I hate that shit. And yes, they are all beta as hell.
This particular video though is just a bunch of photos of the two of them alone. As a super duper video buff who regularly looks at lighting and camera equipment and has a stack of books on how to adjust your key light…it’s kinda up my alley and frankly…I think it’s nice for their children and grandchildren.
I really like this guy actually. I wish I could marry someone like him!
I want to obsess over photos and make a storyboard too….
This is not beta. Sorry. This is a sub-culture of hyper-organized detail obsessed lighting and storyboarding freaks, people who provide you with all those movies you loved as a kid.
Also…So we hate on white male conservatives..
[CH: False premise. No one’s hating on white male cons.]
and now we hate on white male Indie band lovers?
[No one’s hating on white male indie band lovers either. What we’re hating on is using all this stuff to construct an elaborate proposal and further inflate the egos of America’s women.]
Seriously. No more hatred on white males. The guy has a white wife and seems pretty fucking productive.
[Defending posts from premises which are nonsensical gets tiring.]
Elaborate marriage proposals (especially public ones) are one of the most obvious markers of betahood. The grandiosity of it is really just as passive-aggressive maneuver of ensuring the woman says yes. Passive-aggressive = beta.
I popped the question while lying on top of her after a Make out session. She has a cubic zirconia ring and I halfed the cost of the wedding with her dad, about 5000.00 was my share.
So far so good. Birth control turned her from a sex minx to halfway frozen, but she is slowly coming back to life.