farmlegend comments on the relative futility of online dating for men,
Broadly concur that OLD [online dating] is shit for 87% of men.
As a short, mature, average looking dude (though fit, successful and charmingasfuck) I’ve dabbled in it a few times over the years. What I put into it was wildly disproportionate compared to what I got out it – entitled women, less attractive than their pics, that STILL shit-tested me over being 5’8″. Never received an unsolicited message excepting warpigs, and few responses to my witty messages.I do massively, repeat, massively better in real life encounters than I ever did on OLD.
From the woman’s side, OLD is perhaps the greatest validation machine of all time. I have a female friend who’s pushing 60 that takes a very nice picture – she literally cannot read all of the messages she gets. And another, early 50’s, who’d I score as an HB4, and she gets amazing OLD attention.
OLD presents a sort of “choice paradox” that’s overwhelming to any halfway attractive woman, and their minimum standards soar to way above and beyond what would ordinarily prevail on the ground. For all but the apex men, it blows.
If 60-year-old should-be grandmas are receiving dribbly jizztrickles of omega male thirst online, then the American sexual market is corrupted beyond salvation. Jelq it from orbit.
The choice paradox is real. There’s been a trend in the restaurant business toward pared-down menus and prix fixe, because patrons became overwhelmed by the huge number of choices in (usually foreign language) selections. I now breathe a sigh of relief when I see a menu that doesn’t have more than five entrees. I know the quality of each entree will be better than what I’d get from a place that had twenty or more entrees, just because there’s a higher chance that more entrees includes more shitty entrees. Also, I will linger over a multi-page menu for way too long, anxious I might miss a selection that is better than the first good selection which appealed to me.
Likewise with online dating. Women are both overwhelmed and initially thrilled by all the choice in thirsty men, but quickly get trapped in a validation machine of choice overload, unable to commit to any one man who appeals to them because there are a hundred other men making offers she can’t ignore. She is impelled to continue searching, and with each search and ego stroke the Wall approaches nearer.
It’s just as correct to say online dating is an Infertility Machine which robs a woman of the narrow range of choice in men that would motivate her to settle down and have kids earlier in life, while she still had prime nubility to barter. Furthermore, the quality of that limited choice in men will be higher, from a dependable beta male provider perspective, than would the quality of a million thirsty online quasimodos and fly by night cads practicing a “law of large numbers” approach to dating.
Unfortunately, solipsistic women (the narcissistic sex) are extremely susceptible to external validation, more so than men are, so they miss that they are just one node of a massive Thirst Blast Radius that targets hundreds and even thousands of other women. Women fool themselves into believing that beta thirst is for their gine only — that these sad sack betas masturbate constantly to the vision of *this one girl on Tinder* — when the reality is that these betas masturbate to hundreds of Tinder girls who share that sweet sweet 0.7 waist-to-hip ratio and sub-23 BMI.
Women really have no idea how interchangeable they are to horny men when the courtship is young. A woman only earns her exceptionality after she has proven her love and loyalty to a man.
All of this can be analogized to late stage American capitalism. Too much choice, too much dallying and menu sampling, too many hard-up LSMV third worlders, too much throwaway interchangeable ch1nkcrap, too few exquisitely PureWhite buns in ovens.
AKA Globohomo.
But this proves that meatspace pickup is the future. The ways of the past are making a comeback. Face to face, a woman can’t swipe. She has to take you in. No longer is all the world a stage; the only act is the one happening right there, between you and her. Denied her shekel of empty validation, her hamster is hijacked by your lordly presence. Your physical domination — at once alluring and threatening — reroutes her dopamine pathways to gravitationally converge, limbically, on your three-dimensional realness. Her hamster stops spinning, for just long enough, to gaze in wonder at the man gripping her id by the collar and pulling it toward himself.
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Coming from the Fap Pill fapatorium is Burner Prime with this hackneyed take,
More retreaded recycled advice. Roosh is the real thot leader in this area and concluded years ago that the Game well was quickly running dry and achieving diminishing returns.
Does the youth and beauty well run dry and achieve diminishing returns for women?
No.
Likewise, the Game well will always be a thirst quencher for men.
Problem is the overabundance of males available who meet the minimum criteria for those super-selective whamens, and are willing to do whatever it takes to secure the poon, including throwing their brothers under the bus. It will never end and womanz will adapt to any perfection of game techniques.
Have you adapted to sexy T&A? No, you haven’t.
Game deniers just don’t get it. Game — charm — is a timeless allure to women, as pert tits and a firm ass and clear supple skin and a feminine disposition are to men.
A few of you might succeed and lap up the scraps offered up by well-pounded and tenderized roast-beef-labia-wielding and tatted up, pierced sluts.
The age of virgins is long gone. Yes, there is a quality control problem with our women. They are wayward, lost (fat) lambs. Men can only improve themselves and get the best of what’s on offer, and work slowly toward re-instituting the benevolent but unapologetic patriarchy that is necessary to recapture our women and help them locate their vulnerable femininity again.
The usual answer is that the issue will only resolve itself when hundreds of millions of men perish in the coming world wars.
That’s one solution. There are others, less bloody, but requiring stronger will.
The news is not all bad, as the newest, youngest GenZ twat-nut – you can’t have missed them – everywhere sporting insane wild 3ft manes of hair, thin, smooth skin with zero tats, will likely survive in large numbers, rebelling against the previous Millennial monster’s ball, embracing femininity with gusto, and carry the next generation of champions. Though those champions might have darker skin than you assume…
Izz called: “Battle for the Planet of the Apes”.
Shrillennials are the nadir generation. It can’t get worse than Millennials without imminent collapse.
Generation Zyklon is the transitional generation. We will see the worst of the Insanely Woke and the best of the Shitlord Based within this generation. Intrageneration bifurcation will be followed by…
Generation Conan. The Conans may be swarthy, in which case the West will have been defeated for good. I’m less nihilistic. I see our own Conans taking up the mantle of revolution and renewal, to carve a new epoch for America, if not in name then in spirit.
Take charge of Conan production. The Gen Z women want to mate with their own kind. Provide them worthy Conans to mate with and submit to.
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Basically start telling all young whites you meet to stop dating, stay away from dating, and ask your parents, church elders, grandparents, etc to do the legwork for them.
Then tell all white adults to start being adults and police their children and worl to find good spouses for theor children, as common sense, thousanda of years of human tradition, and the Bible tell them to. Basically to woman and man up, for their progeny.
Boomers will not. They will balk at such an affront to free-market sexuality which they idolize.
Gen Xers will perk up, for we have seen, felt, and heard the carnage of this sexual anarchy of our ex-parents.
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the OP is wishful thinking
it’s counterfactual
women are GLUED to their smartphones
you either get at them through that or you have to go THROUGH it. That means getting their eyes off the thing and their earbuds out of their ears.
They’re “so busy” all the time with their so-called lives. Meatspace isn’t making a comeback until cyberspace dies.
you think these bitches are gonna turn off the validation? LOL. Yeah they will just shut it off and go back to being good women.
You either adapt or die. This is the reality now. Cold approaches are low percentage. Blame NCIS for this. Blame netflix…blame box wine, blame whatever. It is what it is.
Pick up chicks in bars, go ahead…triple dog dare you. SAME BITCHES that some dude just fucking swiped on and fucked the previous night. Same exact hoez.
Your parents met each other at work…this is almost a crime now. The shit your grandpa did would be called stalking. Girls are m@rr!ed to their jobs in the cities.
Out in PDX? Shit..walking around with my son i was picking up chicks. You wanna do IRL move somewhere white and laid back. You can’t? Get used to the cyber carousel. Around here? LOL…they shuttle from work to gym/stupid fad workout to home to some dumb crap with their friends that they’ve just GOT to do. They make no time. In between, they’re earbuds and iphones. They don’t wanna be hit on at work, they don’t wanna be hit on at the gym, they don’t wanna be hit on anywhere. In reality probably bc they have hit on overload from online. Either way, I see reality as it is from experience.
I have a jiu jitsu student who works as a bartender at a club…I could hang out there and get in and drink for free and he could throw me a club bitch if I need pussy. Probably I’d score 10/10 times there…hell maybe I’ll give it a try if I’m bored one of these nights and give a field report so everyone here can take shots at me.
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I have a woman so I use do day game for kicks but I cant be bothered with day game right now…but in my line …work has a lot of possibilities for me if i was intrerested.
Not girls i immediately work with but sales reps…girls in other companies…happy hours with other companies etc…
In shitropolis the quality of white men is shit. Every girl wants a white alpha type.
They are surrounded by gimps.
I listen in on conversations when I’m out and I cant believe what I hear.
I know women in ltrs…who I could get if introduced. I’m not into stealing other dudes girls but jeez these women are bored shirtless with pathetic soy boys who act and talk like women.
Show any woman some rare white aggression and she will be floored.
That’s what I found.
I have a boring ass cube job but i make it out to be street combat in Stalingrad.
Women have no clue what I do as their idiots so just make it seem intense.
I’m talking about small companies. Not big Corp bullshit.
Some small companies I know have no HRs and it’s like the 1970s in non PC humor.
I also found art galleries good hunting grounds. Lots of girls there studying in books or lots walking around looking at paintings. A perfect opener…talk about the painting with a neg
‘It does nothing for me’ or looking at a famous expensive paintings ‘pick one out and I’ll buy it for you’ always raises a chuckle..
Women use night classes still to meet husbands.
Embassy events…polo games…fashion shows…supermarkets I found not bad for day gaming ‘do you come to this aisle often’ or ‘where is the condom section..I’m feeling lucky today’
I had success with restaurant servers…just go frequently..I never tipped big…get to know them…they are…give your card
And dare I say it but protests …I once met a hot wh1te Persian girl at a protest a few years back
The more you approach the more you can script your lines…it eventually becomes auto pilot.
A weird thing i found that works is self deprecating faggy humor…in a bar or club
You see a girl whose tall in high heels…I’d say ‘how do I get as tall as you’
If shes interested she’ll play along pointing to her high heels…
Then I’d say ‘I only wear heels on weekends’ or whatever…always got a laugh and a way in
I has a sdl once and the opener was she found a scarf on the floor and handed it to me. .id s ay ‘ go away…not my color’
Travel or geography impresses a foreign girl or girl from out of town
If you can name anything from her home town, she’ll be impressed. And it gives her a chance to warble on about her town and herself. A few negs in there ‘Kentucky. .is the grass really green’
‘Now that’s real chicken…not KFC shit’
I once got a polish girl…I wasnt even trying and I was talking to her about au$chwitz. Holox game.
If you know you can…throw a few holox jokes in there ‘my grandad died there…he fell out of the watch tower’ or ‘he killed 20 people in one day…he was the chef’
Or ‘he served in http://www…the only fighting he saw was in the dinner line’
‘I took my ex to the Taj mahal… the one on Main Street ‘
All cheesy stuff but you are talking to children with tits
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*interested not introduced
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And eventually you get to a level where despite the bangs…you just get sick of it.
You come out the other side.
You get sick of the lines, the game, the lack of mental stimulation women provide, their pre programmed lines ‘you’re rayciss….a nation of immigrants ‘
Their narcissism, their herd mentality…even the ‘taking candy off a baby ‘ tricks…when a woman falls for it/you …inside you go ‘oh come on’…cant believe she fell for that .
There is a reason why celebs top themselves. They have everything…they have it all…could get any woman…but they’ve done it, seen it, experienced everything. There is nothing left. And it’s all a big empty.
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“There is a reason why celebs top themselves. They have everything”
Lichthof, every man requires challenges to overcome *over which he has no “safe word” control.* Rock stars fall into into morbidity because whatever happens, their money can bail them out. What good is it to fly around the world in a self-made helicopter if you are a billionaire when you know that you have a permanent safety net.
Greek gods envied men for our mortality. For the fact that our feelings are amplified by the finality of our decisions and the fatality of our lives.
Similarly, men who hit their mid-30s singIe and successful have maxed out their game of life at its present level. That is why they are morose. This is the time to take it to the next level and (unlike celebs who go for some political cause in a futile effort at taking a risk) find a woman to mrry and knock up. Once you have created life and are responsible for it, your existential despair will vanish. It will be replaced by good and bad feelings you never knew existed.
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Thanks for the shout out PA.
Dont worry…if only you knew 😉
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Interesting that only white “men” complain about the dating market.
Men of Color seem to do just fine in the “unfair” current system.
That tells you something right there
[CH: yes, nigs have no standards.]
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No standards whatsoever
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N!ggers sport the greatest advantage of all, in that n!ggers DO NOT CARE.
A n!gger has nothing to lose when it approaches a White THOT.
No reputation, no net worth, no crib, no advanced degree & certification, no tennis & racquet club membership, no Chr!st-Cuck congregation of finger-waggerers to cluck cluck cluck, no bio-daddy breathing down his neck, no muh school district property values to worry about, etc etc etc.
The n!gger just wants to get laid.
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Exactly, CO. Who do you think is raping those 80 year old grandmas?
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But the very same sort of gr0idish psychopathy which allows it to r@pe an 80yo White grannie also allows it to approach & open on & solicit an 18yo White THOT.
The n!gger’s key advantage is that it DOES NOT CARE.
And I hate to tell you this, but the White THOT’s Hamster gets the tinglezzzezzezes when it’s in the presence of a male who DOES NOT CARE.
Conversely, the Hamster goes all cold & dry & frigid when it senses worry & anxiety & trepidation.
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Is that why it’s a dark place?
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>>>>> “Is that why it’s a dark place?”
You know, that’s outstanding question. Bordering on the metaphysical.
Does That Dark Place terrify a n!gger the way it terrifies Boomers & Chr!st Cucks & Soy Boyz & Real Estate Agents & Bureaucrats & Important People?
Or does the n!gger feel at home there? Like Brer Rabbit in the briar patch?
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I meant because it’s dark and they are dark.
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Me & my brother & a friend of mine went to see a movie once, and it was in a Darkie side of town, and the theatre was filled with c00ns, and it was pitch black, and we were having trouble finding seats, and I said, “Some uh y’all black folk be gwanna hafta smile so a brother can see yo a$$.”
And my brother & my friend d@mned near died of heart attacks, they were so scared.
[I think my brother actually skims Le Chateau from time to time.]
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N!ggers sport the greatest advantage of all, in that n!ggers DO NOT CARE.
A n!gger has nothing to lose when it approaches a White THOT.
Wish I could Like this poast more than once.
Younger white men who 1) haven’t gone soy, but 2) who are being shut out of jobs due to affirmative action and virtue-signaling (or horny) employers, are turning into n!ggers in the exact way you describe. Hence the based white males of Gen-Z and even some Millennials.
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>>>>> “Younger white men… are turning into n!ggers in the exact way you describe.”
If I were a Frankfurt School uber-sanhedrin, the thought of that would give me the Night Terrors.
I wouldn’t be able to sleep.
Hopefully the uber-sanhedrin are too arrogant to realize what’s cumming.
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Is the n1gger even capable of grokking the dark place?
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Only white men, eh?
N1ggers are some of the thirstiest losers I’ve seen throughout my entire life… for every (((Hollyvood))) propped up Mandingo and Superfly there are thousands of bottom-feeders whose only action, when at all, are cooze that any self-respecting man wouldn’t touch, so there’s that.
Also, as far as “white men complaining”, we notice a lot of things that are wrong with the world and aren’t shy about voicing it and then doing something about it when situations become too intolerable and/or we realize those ten most important little words: “If it is to be, it is up to ME.”
Now fuck off, Sambo… we doan need yo’ kind ’round chere.
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and then doing something about it when situations become too intolerable and/or we realize those ten most important little words: “If it is to be, it is up to ME.”
Is this “real soon now” GE?
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Yeah, I’m going to get working on that citizen’s arrest thing shortly. :duckface
And rather than try yet again to neener-neener Eliot, but wind up getting your own face knocked in the dirt, learn to read what you yourself are trying to neener-neener… I’ll let you an accredited dictionary and you can look up what “too” and “intolerable” means.
How many MORE times do I have to mention that, as long as there are grocery stores with stocked shelves, 130 channels on the dish, and beer in the fridge, Mr. ‘Murrica ain’t doing nuthin’ except cheering for whatever n1gger happens to be getting a free ride to his alma mater?
I thought trav was a punk with his neener-neener attempts, but you make him look like a man’s man with your flaccid attempts.
So stop trying to snow the snowman, or just keep getting smacked around like some rented mule.
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actually there was a news in europe of how old fat women are paying rapefugees to have sex with them. the rapefugees seems to have more standards than the american dindus hahaha
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BG, it’s a self-selecting statistic.
Prescient Chr!st Cucks waifu the top 25% of spiritual chicks by the age of about 22.
Prescient fratty baggers waifu the top 25% of hawt chicks by the age of about 24.
Prescient grad/med/law students waifu the top 25% of smart chicks by the age of about 26.
Thereafter, within any single age cohort [as that cohort moves through the years], you keep getting smaller & smaller numbers of awesome chicks who are still single, and larger & larger proportions of chicks who are badly mentally unstable hateful shrewish battlecunts. Or grossly obese. Or substance abusers. Or riddled with Toxoplasma gondii & addicted to the d!ldo. Or WTFE.
Being aware of the omnipotent power of Self-Selecting Statistics, and then planning accordingly, can go a long long way towards easing the pain in your life.
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^^^^^OUT-OF-ORDER
Although strangely kind of applicable here, as well.
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I read it on the news, it must be true
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That’s true. Some old white women even travel to Africa to get boned by 20 year old locals who would nail a zebra or a tree trunk. Remember, most women are ugly and desperate for sexual attention. They couldn’t give two shits about their country, their religion, or cultural survival. They want open borders to have access to men who will fuck them. Hence they vote for open borders candidates despite it hastening the end of their civilization.
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As a POC, I can definitely tell you it’s as bad if not worse for us. I’ve never tried OLD but my friends have and it’s pointless if you want girls above your SMV.
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I used plenty of fish with too little return of investment to continue.
It was great fun for a while, being able to ‘meet’ so many women.
I’d say, for every 50 messages I sent I got 2 responses. And of the two responses one led to meeting. And that one date usually did not end with me getting the bang.
Granted, I was your average frustrated chump during the time I used online dating.
Striking up a conversation with a woman in real life and inviting her bowling has produced many more successes for me.
I don’t know what it is about bowling, it really gets gals to loosen up.
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I’m an outlier. I used Match.com in 2006, met my super white redhead model wife, now we have a few kids, a house, two cars and big dreams.
I wouldn’t touch Match.com now, though.
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That’s fucking awesome. Happy to hear that. Would love it if every bro on this board had a similar life story.
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PRO-TIP for Match.com & similar sites.
Set your filter for only chicks who are 5’10” or taller.
The tall chicks are DESPERATELY LONELY.
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Things were a lot different before iPhone-Tinder-Instagram-Clown World. I also met some nice girls on match.com back in those days, and part of me regrets not settling down with one of them even though I was a total bluepill beta. Now I’m in my late thirties and every girl I meet here in deep blue clown world has been desouled. It’s getting to the point where I don’t even care about the pump and dump let alone w1ifing up one of these brainwashed cunts.
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CO,
BINGO. My wife is 5’9″.
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Thanks, FE. It hasn’t been perfect, but it’s real, and she worships the ground I walk on. And my little boys pick wildflowers and give them to her every day and say “I love you, mommy.”
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No HB6 or above is lonely now with online dating. If anything the tall chicks have been alpha widowed by and now feel entitled to 6’4″ Chads. As someone over 6′ (but not a 6’4″ Chad) looking for a tall chick I have personal experience with this.
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stg58 Livin da Life.
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My office is 1 mile from where that was filmed.
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Oh man, that’s crazy.
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Yes, even online dating is different from ten years ago. It’s a shitshow now.
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“And my little boys pick wildflowers and give them to her every day and say “I love you, mommy.”
Goddamn that’s great. It’s not all doom and gloom. I’m sure your life hasn’t been perfect, but you get to be a part of scenes like that and things that really matter.
Love it. You should post more.
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FE,
Life is what you make it. It’s up to you.
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Dudes on here do have wives and kids but not gonna say for obvious reasons of getting doxxed or families put in danger by antifa fed
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I know a few dudes who met quality wimmin on CL of all places back in 2007.
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@CO the tall chicks are desperately lonely
…and INSANELY EASY to neg!
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I don’t know what it is about bowling, it really gets gals to loosen up.
Can confirm. Bowling used to be my go to 2nd date
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“Does the youth and beauty well run dry and achieve diminishing returns for women?
No.”
Wrong. Dead wrong. Human beings are highly adaptable- even to the most scorching chicks on the planet. I listened to part of the Bilzerian podcast with Rogan. He said it’s been a very long time since he’s been happy.
How? He’s surrounded by the hottest, youngest chicks on the planet. Because it’s everywhere for him now, so he adapted to it.
“Game” is now everywhere. Seriously- find me a guy who isn’t at least “game” aware. I see it all the time everywhere. It’s now an ever increasing arms race, making it next to irrelevant.
Couple weeks ago I was at a bar and started talking to some broad next to me (she was already being bored by some guy running game.) When she turned her attention to me, it was just like he was reading Sentient the Incontinent’s posts. He tried to bust on me and made fun of my jacket. I ignored it. He did it again. So I turned to him and said, “Do you want trouble tonight for no reason? If you do, let’s go outside. You found it.”
He immediately backed down and said he was just joking. I said that’s cool, but now it’s time for you to go. He slumped his shoulders and walked away.
“Game” is a facade.
[CH: game isn’t a facade, it’s a framework.]
It’s easily exposed.
[so are nice tits, but that doesn’t stop men from wanting to grope them.]
Just work on being a real man and having fun with it.
[charm and insouciant confidence are part of being a real man.]
Best pickup advice was given by Cyndi Lauper.
And if you don’t like any of this, that’s ok. Sentient the Incontinent will give you the secret line that arouses women instantly and unlocks their legs just for you!
[strawmen are unbecoming of chateau commenters.]
TLDR:
The poster is correct. Roosh is correct. CH is wrong on this one.
[i’m never wrong unless it’s a strategic maneuver to even greater rightness.]
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Dan Bilzerian has never had to work for anything. He isn’t happy because getting everything for free rots your soul.
Ask a lottery winner if he’s happy.
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Cotd
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FE, it depends on whether “Game” means memorizing a bunch of canned lines, or whether “Game” means reworking your Inner Frame to absolute perfection of ZFG.
It’s the difference between being an actor versus being the real McCoy.
[Although, even there, most actors can only really play themselves – that’s why e.g. Kevin Spacey excelled in roles such as Keyser Söze – because he wasn’t actually pretending, he was channelling his true self.]
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Agreed. The best game journey I read about was Krauser
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Agreed. Game used to be a novel concept employed by a few guys with success.
Now every time I go out the majority of men I see lifts, dresses relatively stylish, shrugs off shit tests, and games girls.
At this point beta males as they are portrayed here are rarer than alphas. Game went mainstream and is now just like every other indicator of value – common.
[CH: common doesn’t necessarily equal boring or uninspiring. there was a time when slender, cute feminine women were common in america. were men unhappier with their choices then or unhappier with their choices now?]
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Common doesn’t mean boring, but it does mean men continously escalating their value relative to eat other in an endless arms race for mediocre pussy.
[CH: theoretically, and over a long enough time frame, yes. but then women have been getting prettier since we started walking upright. well, white women at any rate. the game never ends.]
With the paradox of too much choice for women, and the addition of males becoming extremely high value to compete for that mediocre tang, FE’s advice to forgo the tactics (that are copied as naseum and rapidly loose effectiveness) and focus on your own masculinity seems to be the most timeless advice concerning game.
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Dan
Now every time I go out the majority of men I see lifts, dresses relatively stylish, shrugs off shit tests, and games girls.
well everything excepts games girls. walking up to a girl and saying “ur hawt. So like what’s ur name? hur dur” is not game…
All these guys think the magik is in their soooper manly beard or cool shirt!
as soon as a girl shit tests them they get butt hurt and eject…. ‘Fuck that bitch”… They don’t understand the purpose of a shit test or how to handle it…
But they go online and brag about how they didn’t fuck the girl…
Strange…
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It means a lot of weirdness because weak men who turn into try-hards, or even higher SMV men who turn into try-hards due to game create awkward situations in social scenes. I have seen it and felt it and it is because of Game.
No, you cannot keep moving the goalposts as to what the term “Game” means. It is not equal to Charm.
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” majority of men I see lifts, ”
Would love to know which planet you live on ?
– Fat and getting fatter: U.S. obesity rates to soar by 2030 –
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-obesity-us/fat-and-getting-fatter-u-s-obesity-rates-to-soar-by-2030-idUSBRE88H0RA20120918
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[strawmen are unbecoming of chateau commenters.]
Remember your words when something other than “game” is questioned, proprietor. 😉
[CH: don’t be a weasel. tell me what you mean, specifically.]
And by the way, Fast Eddie is right. :-p
[bitterboys of a feather…]
And now, in the spirit of the recent Bygone Era posts:
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“Remember your words when something other than “game” is questioned, proprietor. 😉”
lol. The classic GE pithy wit. That one didn’t fall flat with me if you’re referencing a certain orange tinctured self-promoter who is falling into disrepute of late.
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CH: don’t be a weasel. tell me what you mean, specifically.]
Weasel yourself… you know damn well that there are more strawmen thrown ’round chere than in the outtakes of The Wizard Of Oz…
[CH: since you accused me, name a strawman i threw out.]
But you only speak up when someone dares question “game”.
[this makes no sense. i speak out on lots of comments unrelated to game, if i think they are insipid]
And of course, when called on your hypocrisy you revert to the inanities of irrelevant snark, e.g., “bitterboys”. My “bitter” is your butthurt.
[what hypocrisy?]
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More of this please, CH
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@CH
Cool. Sentient the Incontinent and guys like him can use magic lines. When I walk up, kick his walker over, and slap the toupee off his head, he can come up with a riposte that will like, totally AMOG me, man.
[CH: magic lines aren’t the spirit of game, and you know it, so stop erecting false equivalencies.]
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Eddie
Never figured you for a retard. learning here…
“Game” is the female language of seduction. It is no more “magik” than German. It may seem like magik if you can’t speak it… It’s been well documented here at the Chateau since 2007… Game works… Game saves lives. It’s based on evolutionary wired attraction and arousal triggers… Game is consistent.. because seduction is the same over and over… Failures are very different.
Game deniers have issues… lol
Now we are going ITG? I thought that was Trav’s schtik… It’s not a good look bud. But consider in your gay ass reply that YOU are attempting to AMOG in your scenario…
huh?
Hey so where in your FR did you bang that girl tough guy?
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“Never figured you for a retard. learning here…”
50 years old and still looking for magic lines and answers?… You’re not kidding. You’ve got more learning to do.
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Amazing come back bro. I had one like that in high school…
so anyway, as I was saying… 😉
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Clueless, where have I heard this type of rhetoric before?
Game deniers have issues… lol
“Holocaust deniers have issues… lol”
Why yes, it is a mentality.
At its core, “Game” is a cult, plain and simple. As all cults, it does need something to attract recruits. But that does not alter its essential nature. (I recently wrote about this, but (((WP))) discarded what I said repeatedly.)
It may seem like magik if you can’t speak it… Game works… Game saves lives.
It will keep Xenu away! Are we Clear yet?
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Arisnarkus
You are a fag, so this convo is something you’d get.
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Clueless, wew, you sure told me! I haven’t been put in my place like that since I was in middle-school.
Seriously, I suggest that you should explore your issues about your own sexual orientation. For those over the age of twelve—as I presume you may be?—nonsensical false-fag calls are usually a sure sign of latent homosexual tendencies. Clueless doth protest too much, methinks.
The biggest “tell” of all was in the other thread, where you characterized my story about my ex-girlfriend as “fag fiction” (!). Even assuming arguendo that my story about my relationship must be as impossible in reality as it is unimaginable to your insensate mind, seriously—WTF? Since when do fags even fantasize about having seẍual relationships with women?
Methinks you have something wired backwards there.
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Game saves lives.
Now, where have I heard that line before… Holy hell, Clueless “Sentient” (!), you faggot, no wonder you are so obsessed with covering for your latent queerness:
DO IT.
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so here’s what I did…one of my white belts is fighting this weekend in the DC open. Guy was in the regiment, deployed a few times, door kicker…he’s 210 or so and jacked.
when/if we’re in a bar and some chick says something, he will volunteer “he kicks my ass”…i’ve seen this happen before in groups from other students. And the girls look at me like who tf is this guy that everyone is giving this level of respect to??!? I run into former students occasionally in exactly this context and they trip over themselves to tell their buddies that i whip their ass every way from sunday on the mats.
Spergient will be along to point me to the page Fagstery said something about HDV or some other game concept. Fucking right, ok…so where is the dude’s advice to spend 18 years at a martial art suffering and struggling and getting your ass kicked over and over and outlasting everyone?
I must have missed that part. All I read are advices for wordsmithing not actual self-improvement. Practice being a smooth talker.
But where is the value? My guy from the regiment…he’s fuckin killed people. I wouldn’t get in a gunfight with him. Dunno how many jumps he has. Not a dude to fuck with.
You’re gonna game him? Or me? You think you can AMOG that? An average blue belt is gonna wipe the floor with 90% of men out there, maybe more.
Yet there isn’t a mfer in here who actually got his T checked yet. DO SOMETHING, get off the computer, get off the couch and fucking do something productive. stop trying to cheat code your way to pussy you don’t deserve.
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I have to be careful here…but NZ guy if he walked into a bar after what he did with his frame, his mindset…his dgaf …he would get any girl he wanted.
That is the mindset.
Game is rediscovering the primal masculinity animal magnetism that women crave.
Stomp out your anxieties. Be cool, clear , moody.
One time I had a shot day in cubes ville lol
Drove to a bar…car key fob not working properly…parking was a joke
I walked into the bar in a fucking rage and I felt every girl was eyeing me up.
Went home with a Texas blonde a solid 8
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CH – what the fuck? You show these guys where the bathroom is around here?
Jeez…
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FastEddie, respect for daring to question the holy creed of “Game” around here. (Whereas CH’s way of interspersing empty one-liner zingers into your argument looks pretty weak, and amplifies your point. CH: “[i’m never wrong unless it’s a strategic maneuver to even greater rightness.]” Srsly?)
Human beings are highly adaptable…
Indeed. Moreover: Human beings are complex. Individuals vary. Men vary, women vary, scenarios vary. There is no formula.
I have commented before on the “Game” self-selection tautology: “Game” selects for the women on whom “Game” works.
Much of “Game” would probably work to improve the statistical success rate for men who regularly approach large numbers of women. However, no part of “Game” may ever be presumed applicable to any particular woman. I infer that this is part of why “Game” sneers at “oneitis”: It is designed to largely fail, and to deny its failures by making a virtue of the “ZFG about rejection” mode of failure. Its successes are thus subject to the selection bias of the subset of women susceptible to it, so it “works”.
Now, observe the persistent denial by Clueless (a.k.a. “Sentient” (!)) that smart women can be anything but ugly fatties and/or lesbians (!!). Observe his rote recitation of the absurdist false dichotomy that “real men talk about women’s looks… Not their brains.” It is all dogma to him. (As if Real Men ever learned what they should want by reading a website!) He is unable to see outside the narrow confines of his cult mentality—and he is outright incapable of imagining that such things as I have described even could exist. Impossible!
I originally came to le Château to try to learn something; as always I seek, I sought to improve my own general methodology. But after observing for awhile, I concluded: “Game” is half an oversimplified, hyped-up repackaging of ancient men’s wisdom, and half a crock of self-serving fantasies and rationalizations that appeal to both the bitterness of the ḑivoŗce-ŕ4p3d, and the thirst of “incels”.
It is conceivable that the parts of “Game” that are old-fashioned wisdom and common sense could help youths who grew up in feminized environments, and are struggling to converge on their manly instincts. But it will overall do them much more harm than good, if they take up its catechistic, cult-like mentality—not to mention the “Game” love affair with Miss O. Giny, a subject I will leave off for the moment, for the sake of (relative) brevity.
(Been meaning to blog about this. Too lazy.)
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U mad bro?
You’ve no idea what game is your just tawking out of your ass…
The science of attraction is well understood, here in this very Chateau. Game comports with all of it.
And you are a fag.
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no u
The
sciencescientology ofattractiongoing Clear is well understoodP.S., I ain’t your “bro”.
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General note: I fully consummated my conclusion that this is a dogmatic cult, when I had someone here tell me that the ancient Aryan Hindu practice of suttee could be explained, and fully explained, by “social validation”.
Quote from the other party in that discussion, who seems to be an otherwise mostly intelligent man (unlike Clueless here):
If throwing herself into a fire provides a woman social validation, then she will do it.
(Pause to lift jaw from floor.)
As an atheist, I reject all cults.
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@Arist
Dude, incontinent just burned you to the ground with the go-to one liner from the brain-dead bartender… U mad bro?
I guess that makes you Tucker in that exchange.
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Aristarchus,
You’re the socially autistic, retarded version of Matthew King. I’d rather read his comments any day over your gamma drivel. Stop lying to yourself.
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stg58animalmother: My readership is self-selected. Same as my policy toward women: “If you don’t want me, then ipso facto you don’t deserve me.” Thanks for excluding yourself.
As for the pawn-like “King”—well, am I more like him, or Sorcerygod? Will the naysayers round chere make up their minds?
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“As an aethiest I cling to the cult of aethism”… Arisnarkus
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FastEddie: That got a double chuckle from me. I don’t know if you saw my recent discussion with Toranaga (“Shitlord of the Month” thread, 4/2), wherein we both criticized Tucker for being right, winning the argument—and losing the war against the impenetrable mass of insensate Leftist stupidity.
Anyway, you’re one of the men here who comes off as credible for experience with walking the walk, not just talking the talk. The Clueless “Sentient” (!), not so.
I wouldn’t mind picking your brain, if you’re up for that. I did originally come here to try to learn something. I’ve never done pickups—not that I never wanted to; it just doesn’t fit my lifestyle. So it’s LTR stuff, with the objective of securing a proper mother for my children. People being complex as I said, and the world being as it is today, that can be complicated… You game? Besides the long postmortem stories that I’ve been posting for the past two months, I have some specific questions that I’ve been analyzing; but it won’t hurt muh feelz if that just ain’t your thing.
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P.S., finding the Clueless “Sentient” (!) tossing at me AOC’s comeback as if I’m Tucker is quite close to Corinth Arkadin quoting a “Clubber” Lang (Mr. T) movie line at me, as if I’m Rocky Balboa! Which is better/worse? I’m having trouble making up my mind about that one.
P.P.S., Clueless, why yes, I am a non-card un-carrying non-member of a non-prophet disorganization!
I have actually written extensively on the religious mentality of many purported “atheists”, and the rarity of actual atheists; but that is irrelevant here, and I am not inclined to let you derail this discussion.
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thx @FastEddie for highlighting this:
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Arisnarkus
“. I’ve never done pickups—”
Ya don’t say????? You’re worse than King.
Fag
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So… Any man who by his own choice has exclusively had no-compromise hot, wet, condomless sex with women in medium- to long-term relationships must perforce be a fag.
Are you trying to parody yourself, Clueless?
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Aristarchus: I read most and appreciate almost all of your posts. (truly not quite sure where the general level of hatred for you here at the chateau originated).
That said, I have to say that You’re dead wrong here in your posts on “game”
YES, there is a cult of “game”, replete w charlatans cashing in.
CH is NOT that.
I kindly direct you the CH archives…back when this was a “game” blog I think you misunderstand and I think it’s because you haven’t been here from the beginning.
Tl/Dr:. The concept of “gsme” You’re straw-manning is NOT that which is espoused here.
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@CH:. Game saves lives
Can attest. Personal experience. Thank you CH
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Agreed on all counts FE.
Game is a system. Charm is an attribute and/or an energy.
The former use of “game” as in “he’s got game” meant charm and sex appeal w the ladies. Straus and other capitalized the word and “Game” became a systemized way to charm and create sex appeal (attraction) in front of the eyes of women. Mainly in bars, but also in other public spaces. For purposes of escalating the encounter into a sexual experience, as quickly and simply as possible. In theory. Not for long term relationships or society-wide benefits. That is clear. Any other theorizing later on was added on to Game and not part of its original purposes, no matter how much one may want to move the goalposts.
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“Game is a system. Charm is an attribute and/or an energy.”
Well said.
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“In theory. ”
Lolz. In practice. Do you even Chateau?
It’s totally predictble and repeatable. Cause the laws of attraction work the same cause they are evolved…
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So upthread game was “magic”, now it appears “charm” is magic?
I thought you were shmart Ed…?
It’s just ego investment to think what you class as charm can’t possibly be deconstructed…
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FE is correct.
Fucking just get your T checked people and learn to fight. The rest will come naturally.
Some 22yo just invited me out to meet her and her friend
don’t worry, she’s beneath ALL OF YOU and this is a tinder match. hate me in the morning.
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Leave the gun, take the taglietelle…
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If more men understood and practiced Game the dating market wouldnt be worse it would be better. Way better. Women would be less cunty.
[CH: PRECISELY. similarly, men would be more chivalrous if women were slender and pleasant.]
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Most women are cunty because most of them are (lib)erated. They feel the weight of the world on their shoulders and they’re scared.
It’s like CH noted in a previous post… lefties are WORRIED. They see what’s happening, but don’t want to admit it because they know they’ve shot themselves in the foot. To try and turn around now and say “whoa maybe we shouldn’t let so many people who’re unlike us into the country” would be a woman’s worst nightmare… her being ousted from her protective social group.
I hear you john… it’s truly a pain in the ass to break through the tough exterior of women these days but underneath they truly are demure and loyal, but you have to first prove you can put up with her shit, typically by showing that her shit doesn’t phase you.
Fast Eddie’s advice of just being a man and having fun with it seems to be the best advice I’ve heard on it in a while.
In my experience, ‘game’ only seems to work on girls who haven’t been gamed before, if that makes sense. After they find themselves on the tail end of a fuck and a farewell one too many times, they know where those game tactics lead and call bullshit before they can even smell it.
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Appreciate ya. Seems like you get it.
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game is all about passing shit tests. if you’re failing them, you’re either not using game or are winging it spergstyle.
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Damnd
Seems like you get it.
“Game” is about choice… it’s about YOU being the CHOOSER and not the chosen…
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game is all about passing shit tests.
Well sure, that’s basically how I see it, as well.
Like the other night, a girl told me I smelled nice. I said “well yeah I actually still use soap and not shower gel… I’m always smelling like a fresh irish spring”
She says “omg people still use that?” (referring to the irish spring brand) And I replied “what… soap? Of course they do, what, do you just rinse off, you dirtball?”
And then she’s all “omg no of course I use soap!”
Reading through all these comments, it’s clear that everyone defines game through their own lens, their own experience.. and that’s how it should be.. right? Gotta tailor it to yourself.
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Game is very structured, Mystery laid out all the stages in the ACS Model. ALL sex runs through that process… The EXACT dynamics of each stage are unique to each interaction.
Autists and bitterboy deniers think game is just a SPECIFIC set of words and actions. They are stoopid.
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http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/Before_PU/basic/280.html
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CalvinDecline
“Game only works on girls who haven’t been gamed”. That is false. Its like saying a women having a nice body is only attractive to men who have never seen a woman with a nice body.
I also wouldnt equate Game with pump and dumping. You can use game to bang sluts, but you can also use it to keep a woman. Happily merried, submissive, feminine women are that way because they are being gamed by their husbands.
A lack of Game, especially a collective lack of Game, results in a lot of ugliness both physically and behaviorally from women.
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Leftys ARE worried. The anti-white angle works best. They stutter, and shudder.
Press hard.
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damnd, succinctly put
sentient, I always liked your gas-clutch-pedal analogy
Always use that as my go-to when I “overthink” the situation. Time to downshift.
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Yes. The Tindr effect is real. Seemingly infinite choices for women, unlimited ego stoke and fodder for banter and emo clit rubbing. No different than men jerking to porn.
The choice paradox is part of it but so is the long runway of online tha allows them to chinese menu their way along the ego-arousal curve without so much as a shower and a pair of well fitting jeans. Many never even go tonsluy town because they don’t have to. They get their rocks in the low risk high reward of kust knowing they can pick a horse.
And if/when they do, the mere nature of feasting upon the infinite options means their ultimate choice will bring moar anxiety, doubt, and lower overall satisfaction with their choice. Sending them back to the well once again.
Just stop feeding the beast and relentlessly tingle the worthy sloots in meatspace. We will get what we incentivise.
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>>>>> “Seemingly infinite choices for women”
I wish we could get travioli in here with his new theory about women not wanting to meet in Meatspace.
My fear is that the online world is becoming moar real for chicks than is actually Reality itself.
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Women with options are abandoning online dating and even Tinder for the same reason people no longer answer their cell phones from unknown numbers because of all the robocalls. Crap, crap, more crap, even more crap… no man worth a da-n in sight…
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VFM, travioli keeps insisting that in DC he is seeing a new zeitgeist, where [and I don’t quite understand this] Meatspace approaches & openings are seen as dirty & unclean & gauche.
As though his targets are demanding some sort of digital pre-certification of a guy before they’re interested in Meatspace meetups with that guy [although, again, I don’t fully understand what travioli has been talking about].
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Like Screwtape said, it is porn, the same emotional highs and ego-stroking, for women.
Women have never really cared about reality versus non-reality, not in their heads or hearts, only in their bodies. Such questions are too philosophical and abstract for them.
Feelz. So yes, they will swipe and click themselves and their own race into oblivion.
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>>>>> “So yes, they will swipe and click themselves and their own race into oblivion.”
This is precisely what I’m worried [actually terrified] about, but I don’t fully understand what travioli is talking about in the DC scene, and I wish he’d get back on here and expound on it.
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Well, to be fair, 1) it’s travioli, and 2) it’s DC. Either way, it doesn’t affect the rest of us. Except Looch and Saucyqueer, maybe.
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Cappy
Trac isn’t doing meat space cold approach. He’s KJing… Tinderella.
[Autist Disclaimer – I don’t care if you are getting laid on Tinder, or Grndr if it’s Arisnarkus, just dont pop off about what real world cold approach pick up is like. Fags]
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I wouldn’t be surprised if online validation from a horde of thirsty men and a vibrator are all the future go-grrl really needs to satisfy whatever chemical rush occurs within her bråin (such as it is) and loins.
As long as men thirst for these scraps, we will lose… a losing that will lead to the annihilation of all mankind worthy of the name.
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https://www.rooshv.com/women-use-social-networking-to-feel-loved
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Mr. Eliot, I fully agree about the thirsty types. But I will go much farther than you may wish to:
So, men are biologically obsolete? (Compare my not infrequent observations about the White race.)
Men have been retreating from manhood for about 200 years now. If that course was not changed hard—and it wasn’t—then hitting this point was inevitable.
Of course, with men being obsolete, our carcass of a dead civilization will continue rot away, till nothing remains; and talking-apes of the intelligent kind will go extinct. For such things as civilization are products of mankind; and “men” who can be replaced en masse by “online validation from a horde of thirsty men and a vibrator” are ipso facto not “mankind worthy of the name”.
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pelayo1683:
Women have never really cared about reality versus non-reality, not in their heads or hearts, only in their bodies.
That’s dogma around here, but manifestly untrue. And if it were true, then anthropoids would have gone extinct in pre-history.
Women just have much closer horizons than men do, and a few similar differences. Their mental worlds are smaller and more particular. It is a matter of thought process, not general intelligence. High-IQ women tend to be no different in these characteristics, per my experience—although very smart women can be surprisingly introspective, sufficiently so as to crack jokes about their own feminine behavior. They know it—they can’t help it!
In general, women are born and bred to care for the nest, and to care about the reality of the nest: The nest and the young fill their “heads [and] hearts”. Following the basic trajectory started by first-wave feminism, second- and third-wave feminism systematically took the nest away from women. Thus, they are left adrift as lost souls. They really don’t know what they want: For all that is most instinctively desirable to them has been erased, forbidden, rendered unthinkable. What “modern woman” can even imagine spending all her time at home, bearing unlimited babies with no contraception, devoting almost all of her energy to childcare and housekeeping, and being fully dependent on a man?
Those girls swiping on Tinder are not happy. They are not getting what they want. How many of them do you suppose are in (((therapy))), on (((antidepressants))), and/or have records of suicide attempts and/or eating disorders?
And in itself, this has nothing to do with online vs. “meatspace”! How many nightclub sluts are happy?
The “Game” theory that feminism rationally pursues female objectives (hypergamy, social acceptance, better genes, etc.) is 100% horseshit.
Those girls swipe on Tinder for the same reason that drug addicts do drugs. It does not make them happy. It is not rational. It is only self-destructive. It is a narcotic that covers pain and emptiness with a shallow bliss.
Like Screwtape said, it is porn…
Indeed.
Screwtape:
Yes. The Tindr effect is real. Seemingly infinite choices for women, unlimited ego stoke and fodder for banter and emo clit rubbing. No different than men jerking to porn.
…will bring moar anxiety, doubt, and lower overall satisfaction… Sending them back to the well once again.
An excellent analogy. And how happiness is had by men whose primary sexual outlet is porn?
But as aforesaid, it is not, as you suppose, a matter of Tinder versus “meatspace”!
Contra “Game”, men who fuck around in nightclubs are not significantly happier than men whose exclusive outlet is porn. Same with typical sluts.
In these pages, I have briefly mentioned (to Greg Eliot) the connexion between nihilism and hedonism.
The foregoing theory is old men’s wisdom, proved to me as consistent with my own experience with women.
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Aristarchus,
All the introspection of ‘smart’ women is reduced in its value to their submission to their feelz, their body-feelz being of most important. Again, since their body and emotion-feelz are so intimately and closely related, they often cannot tell the difference and just bow down to the overall effect.
So, your theorizing about horzions, et al, mean nada. You theorize and philosophize to much, and therefore underestimate the the dominant aspects of female desires and will through your theorizing. Like a woman with too many choices and too many options, she will see all her options as less valuable. Like a philosopher who cannot properly weight the influences upon a man’s soul and mind and body, you assume that many, numerous influences means an equal dispersal of influence upon one’s will, soul, and final decisions. Not so. Not all factors are made equal.
“Women just have much closer horizons than men do, and a few similar differences. Their mental worlds are smaller and more particular. It is a matter of thought process, not general intelligence.”
If ‘thought processes’ are not a measure of ‘intelligence,’ then I have no clue what a measure of intelligence could ever be. Nor could anyone else, ever.
A shorter time-horizon is a indicator of lower intelligence. See: blacks. The very definition of ‘wisdom’ encompasses one with a longer time horizon. You clearly don’t know what encompasses and ‘intelligence’ nor Wisdom.
There is nothing manifestly untrue about my statement. Time-horizons and meta-level thinking is most definitely a necessary component of grasping reality. Reality always encompasses the micro and macro. Not merely one or the other. It’s both. You admit that even the high-IQ women can’t grasp the macro, proving my point further. I would argue that the notion that women are somehow ‘smart’ even on the micro-level is debatable. They are just not that smart unless guided by a strong hand, due to their emotionally-driven decision-making and emotion-driven rationalizing.
Holy women are a different bag altogether. Those only exist in the Holy Orthodox Church though.
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Spelling errors galore. I blame the wine.
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pelayo1683, what could be better than wine and (discussion of) women? I’ll blame your wine for part of what you said being unintelligible. Perhaps for the same reason, I think that you mostly misunderstood me; here is the crux of the problem:
If ‘thought processes’ are not a measure of ‘intelligence,’ then I have no clue what a measure of intelligence could ever be. Nor could anyone else, ever.
Go back and look again: I said “general intelligence“, a scientific term for the characteristics that are quantitatively measured on an IQ test.
In your reply, you yourself distinguish “intelligence” from “wisdom”. Thus, it seems you are familiar with the concept of several types of intelligence. The ancient Greeks had their own taxonomy of intelligence: nóos, epistḗmē, phrónēsis, etc. (I here avoid Greek letters, for they seem to #trigger the wrath of M-d.)
I have closely known women who had a terrifically high intelligence in some ways—far exceeding that of most men here!—yet were nevertheless childishly stupid in other ways, by manly standards. They had high IQs; that is what I meant by “general intelligence”. And yes, some of them were quite introspective, at least sometimes. Other times, they were—well, they were women!
A shorter time-horizon is a indicator of lower intelligence. See: blacks.
Your wine inserted the word “time”.
Think of the world of the home, i.e., the nest. Imagine a being for whom the nest is the whole world, and family and most of all, children are the entire population of the world. In both space and time, it is a small, compact, quite intense world, containing a few beloved people who are to be given an unlimited, dogmatic devotion.
That is an approximate description for a woman’s nature—her instinctive, unalterable nature. Her thought processes are adapted to the horizons of that tiny world populated by a few cherished individuals. If you take from her that world, if you take her from that world, then she is cast adrift as a lost soul—as I said. I here speak generally, of course; and as always, the exception proves the rule.
Holy women are a different bag altogether. Those only exist in the Holy Orthodox Church though.
And how are they “different”, praytell?
To the contrary, they epitomize the religious nature of females generally. On that point, they are different in degree but not in kind. (N.b., I am not totally ignorant about the women of which you speak.)
You theorize and philosophize to much, and therefore underestimate the the dominant aspects of female desires and will through your theorizing.
Females don’t have Will; or more precisely, their will is to not have Will.
As for theorizing and philosophizing, I here stand on the shoulders of giants—and as I noted, the theory is consistent with my own experience.
I replied to you at some length, for you seem to be the type who may perhaps look at things in a more old-fashioned way; and all that I have said in the foregoing is old men’s wisdom. None of it is an innovation on my part (at least, not here). It is largely the argument of conservative intellectual men against feminism a century-plus ago.
P.S., have a robot spell-check for you when wine is in play! A modern web browser should do the thing with squiggly red lines beneath suspicious words. Not that I would ever advocate that men should become dependent on robots for proofreading.
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Another theory, not mutually exclusive: OLD is a beta emporium because body language is eliminated. The best one can do is be snarky with text game, but the beta filter is overwhelming. Twats tingle from real life social forces. Can’t demonstrate higher alpha value digitally unless famous (preselection). Money is seen as beta in beta filtered view. Would she fuck you for free or even pay you to fuck her (e.g. buy you a drink first)? The sex is lousy if she does it for economic gain (i.e. beta bait sex). Having money and not sharing it is alpha, but the relative importance of self is the primary attraction. I’m sure Dr. Trav is 110% successful on OLD, but he is a wizard. Another theory, hot women have too much attention in real life, and better romantic stimulation there too. Takeaway is body language. Talk the body talk or it doesn’t count.
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Twats tingle from real life social forces.
And nothing makes them tingle more than when the social force is you and it overcomes her bitch shields…
Does not matter what you deadlift… If you can’t smoothly overcome a 110lbs girls verbal jousts and social pressure, you ain’t getting the cookie…
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I’m in my late 30s now. The crop of single women age 35-40 is simply painful to observe. Their bodies are going if not gone, they don’t very much interesting to say, and they are increasingly open to all sorts of insane social engineering ideas. And, they have a tendency towards are sort of ‘princess complex.’ My generation has done a terrible job of taking care of themselves, but the self esteem is very high.
Un-fucking-believable. Women approaching forty who still think they’re all that.
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I work close to a private pre-school. there’s some great looking women in that age group. but, of course, they’re likely to be single moms because it’s a expensive school.
but the single women of that same age are like the inverse. IT’S INSANE. not just in looks but in personality. the worst cunty personality possible.
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BG, it’s a self-selecting statistic.
Prescient Chr!st Cucks waifu the top 25% of spiritual chicks by the age of about 22.
Prescient fratty baggers waifu the top 25% of hawt chicks by the age of about 24.
Prescient grad/med/law students waifu the top 25% of smart chicks by the age of about 26.
Thereafter, within any single age cohort [as that cohort moves through the years], you keep getting smaller & smaller numbers of awesome chicks who are still single, and larger & larger proportions of chicks who are badly mentally unstable hateful shrewish battlecunts. Or grossly obese. Or substance abusers. Or riddled with Toxoplasma gondii & addicted to the d!ldo. Or WTFE.
Being aware of the omnipotent power of Self-Selecting Statistics, and then planning accordingly, can go a long long way towards easing the pain in your life.
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Dip younger. Into 20s women.
That’s one huge advantage of real life over online — they don’t give a crap about your age. Online, you’d be completely SOL.
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I’ll say again, if you’re under sixty, don’t make an effort unless she’s under 25.
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Yes, because sixty year-old men fucking 20-something women is good for white society…. how?
Nuts.
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>>>>> “Dip younger. Into 20s women.”
That’s the best way to avoid the Self-Selecting Statistic.
You select them and grab them for yourself.
Don’t let a Chr!st Cuck or a Fratty Bagger or a Med Student get there first.
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they sure af do care about your age IRL
women act like I’ve cheated them by being older than they thought I was
and having kids. foreign women love it, american city cunts? not so much
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How to Date Young Women for Men Over 35 by R.Don Steele has your road map.
Granted, it was written in the days when cordless phones were cutting edge but the problem description is very accurate.
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Steele’s masculine voice today would make 20 year olds wet…as they are starved off real men
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Ballroom dance, seriously. Touching them is automatic. I remember often holding a young babe and absent-mindedly running my fingers along her bra straps and they were ok with that. Sometimes you gotta twirl the fatties though.
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There’s always that one fat chick who is light on her feet. It must be magic to violate the laws of physics like that.
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Some chicks are just STRONG.
PRO-TIP: If you want your kids to have a chance at NCAA Div I schollies, then do not waifu yourself a 5’4″ 90lb chick.
You wanna be looking at the 5’10” 150lb chicks.
Maybe 160lbs, if they come with the DD cups.
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” PRO-TIP: If you want your kids to have a chance at NCAA Div I schollies, then do not waifu yourself a 5’4″ 90lb chick. ”
Not jewsports again, Haven’t we learned by now ? Teach your kids how to field strip an AK in under a minute, and they’ll do just fine.
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Or country dance
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the thing is that back in the day, before internet, women had to “select” between the few of those that approach them. so even the most popular girl wasnt approach all the time.
before tinder there was dating websites, but (at least here) they were then considered just for desperate women. but with tinder it became something that ANY single women have. just for the sake of it, even if just for giving self-satisfaction in see hundreds of matchs.
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OLD game is 100% about your pics. I’ve done experiments with this. If you’re willing to go to the trouble to get either professional level photos with the right lighting and all that (or get good at Photoshop editing yourself), your pics will be like chick crack in terms of getting matches. This is the formula I’ve found works best: Pic 1: Wear a suit and a get a pic of you walking in a city. Wear sunglasses. Don’t smile. Pic 2: Get a pic of you doing something outdoors, hiking, at the beach, whatever, have a smirk and look more friendly…. that’s all you need. If you want a bonus, put a pic of you walking a dog. It doesn’t matter what you write in your profile, or what you say, you don’t need to try to be witty in your texts. It doesn’t matter what the girl wrote in her profile. Just get the best pics, and the best looking ones start matching with you.
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My buddies and experimented with Hot or Not back in the day. We posted pictures of ourselves in civilian clothes, then in uniform. We kept every other variable the same between pictures, including posture and stance. Instant 3 point gain in attractiveness for the pictures of us in uniform.
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mods., fuck off.
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Game is not Charm. They are not the same thing.
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What is this fucking bullshit about Game not working? Whatever you want to call it, charm, learned charisma, game, whatever, it works. Not being a pussy, what I call game, works. I’m 5’8, 33, an accountant, not anything special physically, and I pull 18 year olds. Why? GAME. So don’t tell me that shit doesn’t work. It’s a defeatist attitude, that’s being nice.
Now I posted a little while ago about this girl I play dodgeball with, she’s not attractive at all, and she has at any given time about 200 matches on tinder. I don’t blame her, I blame the men. And why are the men so thirsty? Because they can’t talk to women in real life. They need game!
The flip side of it is if you are like me and you can approach hotties without peeing your pants, it’s something they aren’t used to anymore. So you can clean up. I went out the other day and I was the only one in the bar being a social butterfly. You can kill out there in todays environment if you even have a tiny bit of game (a category I’d put myself in, i’m no game guru).
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>>>>> “The flip side of it is if you are like me and you can approach hotties without peeing your pants, it’s something they aren’t used to anymore.”
That’s 110% of your success right there, muh Brutha.
ZFG. Outcome Independence. NOT CARING.
It drives the Hamster nuts.
And the Hamster will get what the Hamster wants.
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Big fan of OLD as, at least to me, it’s like Netflix for women.
I’m 6′ 160# – a marathon runner. The pictures are me in a suit with friends, in a tux with a bunch of old guys at a lavish and raucous banquet, my scrawny ass swimming with a shark, and a photo of two girls (6 or 7s?) kissing me on either cheek with stern face focused on my whisky.
Job title – Retired Astronaut
Profile – Only man alive able to parallel park a train. Active. Think you can keep up? (Wallflowers need not apply)
OLD is solvable. Just like game or self improvement, learn the *real* rules and adapt accordingly. I enjoy the text tease game for it’s own merit, and it too is solvable. Open confident, get a laugh, ignore her response for a day, ask for digits at 6am saying “I’m planning my week, give me your number and I’ll see if youre interesting enough to fit into my schedule”
SMS game is simple too. “Tell me something interesting not on your profile.” if its something that can be deduced, “Strike one, that’s obvious.” otherwise don’t acknowledge it and go straight to “I have two openings this week at… [two specific times, including length of time] When do you want to audition?”
Have her meet you at a decent bar that’s not bright or dingy. wear a button down the whole day so it’s wrinkled. You dressed up today, but not for her.
Through all this you are 1) maintaining control of the frame, 2) demonstrating value (I’m a busy guy, my time is valuable to others therefore I am valuable) & 3) making her qualify herself.
In person – run your game. I prefer to buy the first round, engage, when I’m done with my first round tell her it’s her turn, instead of telling her what I want tell her she “better order something I like” send her to the bar alone, and sit silent and still. After the 2nd drink you should be able to change location. Either to a dive for pool if she needs more work or just straight to a bed.
This place is a goldmine for good advice on any step.
Now if you’re a smelly, broke fatass – you can change at least 2 of those in a season (and you should).
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“I’m planning my week, give me your number and I’ll see if youre interesting enough to fit into my schedule”
Don’t use this line unless you’re a wanker and want to prove it.
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Even the most chaste of millennial chicks have had a mile of cocks run through them. Even dogs or cats jumping up on the keyboard and hitting random keys are spitting game.
I’ve actually listened to the horseshit they say. They have far less self esteem than you realize, sometimes even far less than I realize.
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Great!!! All I have to do is grow 9 inches, lose the beer gut that runs in my family (with or without actual beer consumption) and makes me look pregnant, acquire something resembling charisma for the first time in my forty plus years on earth….. then….. maybe, I can only be shut down in the sexual market pawn shop that is online dating!!!! Hallelujah!!!! Maybe I can escape zetatude by this weekend!!!!!
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I mean… lose the weight. It’s a pain and requires discipline. With discipline comes the rest.
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ZMP, if you aren’t being facetious – if you’re accurately describing your life – then you have no idea how lucky you are.
You have nothing to lose, ergo nothing TO CARE ABOUT.
You’re free muh brutha.
Free to walk right up to that fine fine fine-a$$ed p00ntang and start talking smack directly to its face.
You just don’t realize how good you have it.
And you can’t realize it because you STILL CARE so d@mned much that you continue to find comfort in self-pity.
Stop caring, and all sorts of wonderful things will start happening in your life.
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Online Dating is a matter of convenience and expediency for girls. They get to be the choosers. The only ones who approach me usually just with “hi” are ugos or fakes or pros.
Tind er is a haven of fatties freaks and fairies. On other sites girls who from their photos are fat say things like “no hookups” because saying that makes them feel more normal. Hot girls get hit on all the time in real life, fatties not so much so OLD helps them to gain confidence without having the shame of getting in shape.
I did very well off OLD but met a lot of ugos. In EVERY case the girl was ready to bang.
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A couple months ago, I decided I needed a small desk for a spare bedroom. I went to Wayfair and searched for “small desk”. There had to be nearly a thousand choices. I found it overwhelming, and scrolled through images of desk after desk, noting style, dimensions, finishes, materials. When I found myself unable to narrow it down enough to make a purchase decision, I reflected how my online desk search must resemble the online dating experience of semi-attractive women. Except, of course, I received no validation from the experience.
The choice paradox. And I still haven’t ordered a desk.
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