A comment by 216, responding to SunBakedSuburb, over at Audacious Epigone’s Unz patch,
SunBakedSurburb: [Following a separation of Red and Blue America], Bluestans will also be characterized by constant ethnic friction, continued middle class white flight, Byzantine and corrupt governments, and eventually implosion. Here in California, I see your prophecy at work.
I agree with this, btw. Bluestans would be wealthier…for a while…until the low trust society that typically characterizes Diversitopias eats away at that blue-hued human and social capital. If Redstans encourage their Divershitty to abscond for Bluestans, and Bluestans continue clinging to their virtue signaling for social status points, then it wouldn’t take long for Bluestans to get overrun by dysfunction and overwhelmed by high taxes to pay the Danegeld to their vibrancy. The Bluestans would start richer, become poorer, and finish collapsed, while the Redstans would maintain an even keel of moderate economic health and very high social health.
Back to 216:
White liberals would be more ethnocentric in their own society. Part of the reason they are so outgroup-favoring in our societies is the fear of us.
So if you never had to fear “The Handmaids Tale”, you would feel less inclined towards white guilt. Additionally, the Bluestan(s) could write constitutions that explicitly define the fundamental values of society as left-liberal, so White Bluestanis could have a strong civic nationalism.
Look over the border at President AMLO, a white leftist, but also a strong ethnic and civic nationalist.
216 is an interesting commenter, but I believe he inverts the underlying motivations of Bluestan shitlibs here.
First, you won’t get anywhere analyzing White shitlib (SWPL, for short) behavior without understanding that psychological projection is at the heart of it. White liberals don’t fear White conservatives. Not really, at any rate. They may virtue signal fear of us, but they don’t really feel it.
What White liberals are doing is projecting their own desire, to viciously and utterly rule over White conservative “intransigents”, onto the latter. White libs accuse White cons of doing to them precisely what White libs do to White cons. If any group has justifiable reason to fear a despotic overthrow of its cherished values and preferred social arrangements, it’s White conservatives who have been under relentless attack from White liberals for the better part of a century, and losing nearly every battle.
Case in point: there was never a “Handmaids Tale” in America. There has been, however, a “SlutPride Tale” and gay marriage and trannyfreak singing to schoolchildren and borderline infanticide and man-hating divorce courts and toxic masculinity conspiracy theories.
White liberals have in fact never had to fear “Handmaids Tale”, but White cons have had damned good reason to fear all of the above, because those things have actually happened. And yet, White cons aren’t “outgroup favoring”, presumably, as leverage to neutralize the power of White libs. White cons have had to fear all those White lib depredations on their preferred way of life, and yet don’t have any “White guilt”.
216’s theory doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
White liberals did not live in a constant state of fear in pre-Roe v Wade America that a patriarchy was about to force women into breeding camps. Any “fear” that White liberals express about America becoming a version of, in this example, The Handmaid’s Tale is either irrational or disingenuous. The purpose of the lib fear-mongering amongst themselves is 1. to juice their virtue signaling score (the more fearful, the more valuable one’s moral posturing against the thing causing the “fear”) and 2. to provide a phony justification to ram their shitlib agenda down America’s throat.
White liberals — GoonWhites — aren’t outgroup favoring because they fear White conservatives — FreeWhites. No, White libs are outgroup favoring because
- they have inherited an excessive altruistic feeling toward outsiders that is corrupted into a pathology by globalist mass migration
- they get a tingle up their legs from playing the role of the beneficent enlightened betters patronizing POC lessers
- they HATE HATE HATE FreeWhites for not sharing their r-selection-shaped worldview or their high disgust thresholds, and find it expedient to “adopt” nonWhites and their grievances and to use them as battering rams against FreeWhites.
For these reasons, I doubt White liberals would be more ethnocentric in their own societies. Instead, what I see happening is GoonWhites’ virtue signaling compulsion turned on each other, in the absence of FreeWhites to target, until the purity spiraling results in some sort of social breakdown or mass hysteria/mental illness.
I also foresee Bluestans eventually succumbing to their Diversity, which will eat at the White lib seed corn with increasingly ravenous disregard for the future. Remember, too, that “strong civic nationalism” and multiracialism are mutually exclusive; civic fellow-feeling is always and continually undermined by the very human and natural urge to tacitly or overtly identify with one’s own kind.
It’s possible that White libs, left to themselves, will concoct some rhetorical sophistry for keeping out the Diversity that doesn’t overload their egos, in essence creating a de facto White lib ethnocentrism, but I have a hard time envisioning a scenario in which the modren White shitlib can casually betray her ego without having an existential crisis. If FreeWhites aren’t around, maybe GoonWhites can easily and expediently dispose of every race equalism and White privilege belief they claim to cherish, just as they now easily and hypocritically contradict themselves to “score” political points against their FreeWhite enemies.
Nevertheless, this is all moot speculation because White libs would prevent any peaceful separation solution to the eternal intra-White animosity that is burning hotter now than it has since the days before Civil War I. White libs don’t want White cons to go their own way; they want to lord it over White cons, to force them to submit to White lib rule, and to rub their faces in their humiliation and despair. The totalizing authoritarian streak is a mile wide and ten miles deep in GoonWhites. For White libs to allow White cons their own nation would be, in the White lib mind, tantamount to Nazis getting their lebensraüm.
White libs don’t want to run away to build their own nation and write their own left-liberal constitution; what White libs want is to build their own nation and write their own left-liberal constitution RIGHT WHERE WHITE CONS LIVE, BECAUSE FORCING WHITE CON SUBMISSION IS HALF THE FUN.
This is why I predict that if there is a blood-drenched Civil War II, it will be the fault of White libs who won’t tolerate White cons attempting a peaceful separation from them. And, unlike Civil War I when White libs had a facsimile of moral high ground to prevent secession, this time around all the moral justification will be with the FreeWhites who just want to get out from under the yoke of White lib tyranny.
At this point, in what part of Bluestan would whites be politically relevant? They are demographically insignificant in the large metropolises. I guess Bluestan would absorb some whites in the suburbs and whatever surrounding areas they claimed.
And except for the obviously mentally ill fringe, white libs are largely as fat and docile as conservatives. Their political ideology is just about social status signaling.
The ones violently maintaining the union would be the (((special))) and their low IQ migrant horde. There would be some white quislings sprinkled in – a motley crew of paid collaborators, the mentally ill and true believers.
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The “Bluestans” have little more than paper wealth, and unless they some how save the US dollar when the separation happens, they’re fucked. Without that backing, and with internal American borders becoming international borders, can they afford the necessaries? If you were running a Redstan, what would you take in return for your foodstuffs? Useless paper? California doesn’t even produce actual stuff, even tech gear, so what are they going to trade on? Farcebook likes? Everyone an Instagram whore?
As for the actual day to day, here’s another ponderable: who owns the water in Lake Mead?
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California is the largest agricultural state in the country.
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{{{They}}} demand liberation without separation.
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It’s about power. The left is made up of losers, victims and fringe groups that basically by definition can not lead or have power over a traditional national culture. They don’t care about any particular view or cultural trait. If they did you wouldn’t see feminists allying with Muslims. What they want and care about is power and more specifically the revenge fantasies of taking it away from some fictional, idealized, demon/god, all powerful straight white man.
The taking of power and using it to get revenge for their perceived slights is as far as they have thought it through. I don’t expect a peaceful separation because it’s the action not the end state they care about.
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