Frequent commenter Kate (who used to go by the handle GeishaKate) reports that she is engaged to a manosphere writer, Mark Minter. Naturally, your genial hosts wonder if the passion-inspiring auspices of Le Chateau brought these two lovebirds together into a promise of holy matrimony. What a slap in the face this news must be to the barbarian peasants who incessantly claim CH is about nothing but pumping and dumping bar skanks. Excuse me, good haters, but I don’t see your blogs resulting in any nuptial engagements.
Is this your way of saying Congratulations? Thanks
Gotta say I love the way you tagged this: “Love, Vanity.” Seems appropriate 
congrattz congratssz!!!
da GBFM met his finace here too!! her namesz is CARLOS DANGER!!!! lzoozozo
we gonanan get marriedz and eveeyroens is inviteddz lzozzlolzoz we will have a weiner roast afterwarss zlzlzllzo
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LOL Thank you
I predict embracing will be the next one to get swept off 
I don’t know if I can throw a bouquet all the way to Cyrpus, but I’ll try!
I don’t know if I’ll be next. We’ll see. I’m prepared to accept if God doesn’t intend for me to be marry. But of course I’m hoping I will.
I’m so excited for you.. I love hearing of the coming together of husband and wife, how beautiful. woooohooooooo
when is the wedding going to be?:)
Hang on. I have to call and try to wake him up so he can be here.
If this is all an elaborate troll, why i oughtta….. tip my hat to your skillful manipulations!
Still sleeping at this hour?
LOL Its not an elaborate troll. He’s up and he’s coming.
I love it when somebody embraces mental insanity. They are the people I listen to.
This means you must populate your wedding party exclusively with manosphereans. Who’s handling the bachelor party?
I would love to have our virtual family there! I’ve always teased Savoy to stay in shape to walk me down the aisle. As one of the fathers of pick up and considering how much he’s looked out for me, it’d be appropriate. Talk to Mark re the bachelor party.
Jaysus. You may as well invite the Manson Family as well. I am sure they scrub up nice for nuptials.
Indeed. Where are you located? East coast, west coast, elsewhere-? Savoy is in LA…
”This means you must populate your wedding party exclusively with manosphereans.”
+1
This is really too funny – you are either brilliant or an utter moron. I dont’ know which.
If you are who your name suggests, it would be more appropriate for us to speak privately. This is a gathering of friends in celebration. Thank you.
Kate, you ought to take this whole circus off the internet altogether. They can only treat it superficially on this medium, and what possible gain could you get from their approval? There’s only downside. Don’t get between cults and their idols.
I have no need of approval, nor do I have any control over what bloggers post. There is no joy without sorrow and I don’t intend to be joyless. “The only way around is through.”- Robert Frost Catch ya on the other side
Nah, you guys are the ones making a big internet spectacle of it. And speak for yourself about ‘friends’ and ‘celebration’.
Sminter, welcome! I look forward to your future comments.
LOL. Look how obsessed you are with Mark after all these years …
genious!! Did you use the dark triad to seduce this helpless man?
¡felicidades por cierto!
Congratulations Kate! xxxxxx
Thank you!!! You guys and gals are the best
I feel so special, truly 
I hope Mark wakes up and can join in the engagement party. What with the being hauled into psychoanalysis n all this week, I am really touched to have people happy for me!
My favorite reactions have been from Stingray and Savoy who said “Holy ****” (Stingray’s word was more modest)
To reply to popups, the engagement was the culmination of a set of dares where, if I remember correctly, I was called a pussy if I didn’t accept. LOL I would really enjoy hearing Mark tell his side of the story though
He’s a very amusing storyteller.
“He’s a very amusing storyteller.”
Game
oh my gosh! Congratulations Kate! I’m a big fan of Mark Minter’s comments on Rationale Male, but I never thought he would remarry. It makes sense that he would choose you.
Thank you
You live up to your name 
Congratulations Kate, I commented with the wrong name, my style blog name
Hopefully ch deletes it.
Mark Minter is a great contributor. Love his comments. I’m really surprised he would consider remarrying, but from what I’ve read you seem like a great choice. Not that it means anything coming from me.
Thank you, popups
Well, I will say congratulation to you both again! What fantastic news!
Thank you, Stingray
And congratulations on the Girls Being Girls blog 
I haven’t read this blog long enough to recall your comments, but anyway: congratulations!!
Isn’t Mark Minter one of the strongest opponents of marriage?
“you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.”
Almost all of the guys I’ve known who insist they’ll never get married…. end up getting married. Just sayin’.
Congratulations, Kate!
Thank you, person I don’t know!!!
(As you can see I am one of those giddy brides to be:) )
Congrats Kat.
– Ben
“Almost all of the guys I’ve known who insist they’ll never get married…. end up getting married. Just sayin’.”
NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO!!!
Almost all of the guys I’ve known who insist they’ll never get married…. end up getting married. Just sayin’.
Untrue. I really am not ever getting married.
So was H.L. Mencken.
This is why you should “never say never.”
Many men say or think a certain way about love/marriage, but in the end they reconsider and recalculate. Love/marriage can’t be separated from the human condition, no matter how much they have been vilified. Mark must have meant these remarks in theory, but once he met Kate he changed his mind.
Congratulations Kate! I’m happy for you.
Thank you again, Lily
Mark put me through a whole bunch of tests, but I’ll let him explain that part.
Sounds intriguing. Can’t wait.
Just had to comment…Congrats Kate!!! woohoo!
Thank you, Olive
Hope your own wedding plans are going well 
Ask the local gentry, they will say it’s elementary
Mother said to father,
You can’t have one without the… other!
How charming and quaint that sounds, in times like these… sigh.
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Love and marriage aren’t the same thing.
And all humans are hypocrites.
A change of heart is not a case of hypocrisy. It’s a case of reconsideration upon contemplation of the evidence, or in light of new info.
Personally, I hate stubborn people. People who are so fixed in their mind, they refuse to see something better or evolve according to progress or a better way.
Unlike animals, human beings were not meant to be fixed. We change and evolve, and our minds expand due to experience.
Kudos to Mark Minter for embracing marriage to Kate.
Well I suppose the change of heart came somewhere in this comment.
http://therationalmale.com/2013/07/24/left-behind/#comment-21460
LOL! Interesting!
No wonder Kate parents are freaking out.
I sincerely doubt Minter followed his own “30 partners” rule.
Even in profligate times such as these, 30 partners is a bit much, I’d say… on medical reasons foremost, let alone the psychological/moral issues.
That said, it would break even this hardened heart to learn that our little household Kate had come anywhere near that number.
Kissing frogs is one thing… f*cking ‘em is quite another.
So: if I start a career of ranting on various blogs about how I will never, NEVER, take applications for junior wives, will I get to take home cynthia, Haley, Jennifer, lifeinlonglegs, and rapeawhatsit?
This is all rather weird.
I’m getting that sense, too. What good could possibly come out of publicly advertising this whole thing online, on an HBD/dark pick-up site?
I understand her gratitude to people here (and the bridely giggles), but she’s already learned the downside of living in a fishbowl with regard to her parents’ google searching.
No such thing as bad publicity.
Seriously tho she’s mental. I give it a year. Guy with his clout and his skills settling for kate? Gtfo
Ha. You are a poor judge of character. My judgment about which was “settling” for whom was the exact opposite of yours. But then, I “know” Kate much better than Minter.
And we all essentially know jack shit, given the limitations of the medium. (The chiefest and most invisible limitation of which is to make us think we have gleaned more truth online than we actually have IRL.)
Matt
It’s very possible neither is settling. Kate is younger, thin. Men like that. Minter is, presumably, passionate, charming and strong. Women like that. Win-win.
“And we all essentially know jack shit, given the limitations of the medium.”
She got him hard.
He could provide support for her and her offspring.
That’s the way people have been settling since the dawn of time.
Nah. You are being too reductive, too ideological, too simplistic to represent the circumstances fairly.
Modesty is the order of the day here, assuming there is far more unknown/unknowable than what we can say with certainty. Humility first, right, Christian (or Socratic)?
The danger of game derives from its occult status. It is secretive and therefore thought valuable. In truth, it is just a plain articulation of a reality that is currently illegal to express in our culture. We have to take care it doesn’t become a cultish religion, as it has become to the PUAs who turn an effective set of tools into a church of ideals to worship in themselves, which in turn becomes authoritative over/applicable to every facet of life.
Use practical wisdom, do not fashion it into an idol. Markate’s (the new “Bennifer”) arousal and support exchange is no doubt a contributing factor to their union. But to imagine it the sole or definitive or even controlling factor is to narrow your purview into impracticality. The challenge for us Christians is to figure out how to faithfully apply this modern wisdom without succumbing to idolatry, and you are one of the very few observers here who threads that needle consistently and well.
Matt
They are soul mates.
Or my final judgement is this is a CH creation for his amusement.
I like that one the best. We need more people with imagination.
” I don’t see your blogs resulting in any nuptial engagements” with that pic
I haven’t laughed this hard in your blog since the Josh Camacho/Bring da movies incident.
Gratz Kate, how does it feel to be gamed? Did he give you a bag of skittles?
Thank you
It feels great! No skittles, though. Can you believe it? Not a single one! 
It was Mark Minter?! Wow. Congratulations then (even if it wasn’t Mark Minter, I would still say congratulations
) 
Actually, blogs are great places to meet men. No doubts about it
Never heard of mark minter, but congrats!
Thank you, femx
Yeah, now you can have lots more babies and stuff. fingers crossed.
you’re hilariously transparent when you’re not trying to be.
I love Femx. because she is so different from other women I know. I was thinking about this today, I don”t exactly know the correct words to express it. She’s kind of blunt? And yes, transparent… adorably honest, a really wonderful woman. She doesn’t hold back in expressing herself. even if it something that would reflect negatively on her, she says it, but in doing so she doesn’t have this kind of “I dont care about what you think attitude”, she still displays her vulnerability. This kind of honesty is very rare and it is very very beautiful, it is to be praised, it is a great strength.
Thank you, Emma
They are a great place to meet people. Haven’t seen much of you, lately. Hope things are going well with you and your fella. Ever have some ‘splaining to do to your folks about your choices?
I wasn’t gone
(well, maybe for a bit, due to master thesis and all).
I read your comments about your parents reacting to your man by scheduling you a counseling appointment. This is baffling to me, as my parents barely even said anything. They pretty much ignored the fact that I was dating a guy who said “rape is equality”… But then my parents let me do almost anything for most of my teens (they really trusted my judgement). Not sure if it’s worse to be overprotective or underprotective, but underprotective worked just fine for me. Didn’t get hooked on any drugs, didn’t quit school
Still, this turn of events really surprises me.
I think its surprised everyone, including us. But its a testament to what works. I bet you wrote an excellent thesis. Congrats on being done!
Thanks ^_^
“Actually, blogs are great places to meet men. No doubts about it”
This is what I was suggesting to Feministx and Matt in the other thread
Never seriously considered meeting a serious relationship prospect here. Guess it is possible.
*eyebrow raise*
Yeah, I just want you to make sweet love to me again and again and again in my fantasy world. That’s different.
Maybe you remember Arpagus?
Oops, this was meant for your other comment where you asked whom i was dating, sorry
I don’t know arpagus myself. Don’t think I’ve heard of him.
Actually, I believe one of my old flames reads some manosphere blogs now (including this one). I guess that could have gone the other way. Could have met him here and started the relationship.
Please, CH also knows better lol. Why do you post suggestive pics of yourself otherwise? You’re not fooling anyone, feministx. Just own it, babe.
No need to be embarrassed. It’s a natural ambition for people to hook up, and it’s even more natural for women to seek alpha males. Thus, what better place than Le Chateau with its supposed “large” concentration of alpha males?
You’re just too messed up for marriage to any traditional alpha. But for pumping and dumping fun, you’ll do quite well. They seem turned on, so keep it up. It might pay off.
“I just want you to make sweet love to me again and again and again in my fantasy world. “
But, as was just proven by Kate/Mark, it’s not fantasy world after all, is it? It came true for them. You’re a case of “The lady doth protest too much. “
I know it might seem strange to suggest that I am not interested in attracting guys for a relationship given that I post all these pics and have a blog about myself. I might be in denial of my impulse to attract, but on a conscious deliberate level, I have no interest in meeting someone for a serious relationship here. The fact that we may share an ideological perspective does not make guys more attractive to me, at least not to my knowledge.
Part of it is that I’m not proud of myself, and the blogosphere is where I vent. I admit a lot of unattractive undesirable aspects of myself. I wouldn’t blame guys here for seeing me as pump and dump material because I don’t try and present myself as a virtuous prospect. In my mind, I let myself go here. I let everyone see how ugly I am, but then because I myself can’t live with how ugly I am, I don’t believe anyone else would or should live with that either. So, I want to leave this here, and go back into the real world where I can present the positive aspects that I want people to see. Then I think someone would love me more- when they see the best of me. The rest of it would still be there, but not in the way it is here. I feel like my blogosphere personality prompts people to identify me by some of my worst characteristics.
“. I let everyone see how ugly I am, but then because I myself can’t live with how ugly I am, I don’t believe anyone else would or should live with that either”
We all have ugly aspects to us. You no more than anybody else. I find your honesty very admirable. That in itself is something very beautiful.
I wish you could understand that you have so much to offer, it really hurts me that you believe nobody else would or should live with “how ugly you are”. That is absolutely untrue. You have many admirable and beautiful traits that I really hope you come to embrace and even build on further and you will make a wonderful wife and mother some day. Don’t think that any of us are perfect or without ugliness, we all have the same capacity to be ugly or beautiful, it’s just what we choose to focus and build on.
I remember Arpagus. I think he got into trouble recently in Norway over his blog- a prosecution based on the content, hate-speech, or something like that. He stuck to his guns but had to go to jail briefly. I remember when he first showed up on this site in 2008 or so. Well if you two are dating then congrats to you both as well…
”In my mind, I let myself go here. I let everyone see how ugly I am, but then because I myself can’t live with how ugly I am, I don’t believe anyone else would or should live with that either.”
You are not ugly nor unattractive and I would have no problems living with you. Why do you think you are ugly? You told us that you are not happy in your relationship and I never thought that you an ugly person because of that. You just sound depressed and sad from time to time
.
Use the Chouteau as a catharsis, eh? Hell, if it helps you clear your mind, then go for it. Lord knows we all need a place to vent and think things through.
Just remember, by posting real pics of yourself, people could identify you in RL. All this stuff you say about yourself could be used against you by a real marriage prospect; a man you’d die to have. Why would you do that to yourself? You should present yourself in a virtuous light. Instead, you talk about lesbianism, and fucking an old dude because he has lots of money, not to mention posting suggestive pics of yourself when you should be posting wholesome pics (unless you think you’re ugly and you need to compensate by posting revealing pics of your body). A lady shouldn’t speak about such things or show her assets, unless she doesn’t mind being considered pump and dump material. Try modesty. It might do you some good.
I have no interest in meeting someone for a serious relationship here.
Hell yes. It baffles me that people cannot distinguish the all-important factor of the medium’s distortions and then adjust for them. It is strange to assume that the very people who are studying social dynamics closely (by virtue of their participation here) would so miscalibrate and confuse online commentary with the hyper-dimensional reality of social spaces, and expect the same laws to govern both realms.
My first toe-dipping into “online chat” taught me everything I needed to know about this medium’s potential years ago. And even today people mistake online networking as another version of reality rather than a deceptive simulacrum. Worst of all, they regard other people’s words and actions here to be as derivative from delusion as theirs — you’re responding to a female commenter! you think you’re flirting with her! or you disagreed with me strongly! you think you’re e-Tough! but I would so punch you in real life!!! — and mistake the dynamic (and therefore the commentary) completely. The medium is the message.
We get maybe 25 percent of a person here, and it’s often the least-important quarter: a person’s impression of his own self-articulated thoughts. We make the mistake of believing the ugly person’s lie — that appearances are superficial — when the opposite is closer to true: a person’s presence or aura is substantive; his disembodied mind-farts expressed in bad online syntax is superficial.
Part of it is that I’m not proud of myself, and the blogosphere is where I vent. I admit a lot of unattractive undesirable aspects of myself.
Your honesty is commensurate with the strengths of this medium. You’ve intuited the limits of this space and adjusted yourself within them, even customized them to maximize its cathartic potential. (The pseudonym is a key indicator.) You have a healthy understanding of what is fantasy, what is reality, what is the semi-fantasy between them. You do not confuse them all like perhaps three-quarters of the participating readership does by default.
Matt
“We get maybe 25 percent of a person here, and it’s often the least-important quarter: a person’s impression of his own self-articulated thoughts. We make the mistake of believing the ugly person’s lie — that appearances are superficial — when the opposite is closer to true: a person’s presence or aura is substantive; his disembodied mind-farts expressed in bad online syntax is superficial.”
Yeah, that’s how I feel. I can’t really feel much attraction to men in this disembodied atmosphere anyway. I need to hear a voice and see a person and their gestures or else I know I am just inventing a story in my mind to entertain myself (I do that now anyway, and I know it is silly). I can admire someone’s intelligence online or develop my internal perspective based on what they say, but this doesn’t really inspire me to want to develop a relationship with any of these people offline. My desire to make that happen is not greater than my desire to create relationships with random semi good looking guys I see around me.
The manosphere is a periodic part of my life. It is not the core of my being that I am singularly passionate about. I am not driven to build a relationship around this intellectual realm. On the other hand, I did build a relationship around my desire to develop my musical interests. Music is a physically present part of my life.
Matthew King, feministx,
Speak for yourselves.. some of us express ourselves better online than offline, so there’s that.
But even if we show just 25% of our personality, it’s enough to catch someone’s interest. It’s obviously a good idea to check the person out in real life, not fall in love with them without ever meeting them. The latter is an idiot move.
Is Lily getting on anyone’s nerves besides mine? Why don’t you mind your own business?
A lady shouldn’t speak about such things or show her assets…
Who are you, Emily Post? You’re always so snarky to girls who get a lot of attention.
Are YOU married, by the way?
Is Lily getting on anyone’s nerves besides mine?
The show of hands resembled nothing so much as the French army, circa 1940.
I think another blogger, Sofia, met her man in the manosphere as well (a man named Aaron I think)
Sofia’s blog has been password-closed for quite a while so I am not sure if they are still together. I don’t remember if they met each other in the blogosphere though.
“I wish you could understand that you have so much to offer, it really hurts me that you believe nobody else would or should live with “how ugly you are”
Embs, Im glad you still like me. I was a bit worried that you would think I was creepy and gross after I said I was kind of a lesbo. I never encountered anyone quite like you before. You remind me of the ideal I held for myself when I was really young. You are almost like a fantasy persona that I once envisioned as the archetype of femininity. I used to think that I would somehow end up like you when I grew up, but I did not. My personality is darker, more jaded, more masculine. I don’t know if it had to be that way, but somehow I kept making choices that led me to be the person that I am.
When I meet a potential love interest, I want to appear at least a little more like you, for you embody what dreams are made of. The idea of appearing like that seems compelling to me because I think it would be better for the guy in the end. I don’t mean to lie to people when I present myself. I just want them to characterize me by something other than my autistic seeming stream of consciousness.
Another CH lovestory in the making?
It is impossible because I am not a boy. But if I were a boy, I would make myself nice looking and go to Cyprus to take embs on nice dates. Then I would marry her and have lots of babies with her.
Plastic surgery can help
Come on, Love conquers all and all that bullshit.
”I was a bit worried that you would think I was creepy and gross after I said I was kind of a lesbo.”
Forget about this fear. Life gets better when you allow yourself to fall in love with a girl. I know some women think it’s gross but they are just missing out, because it feels amazing.
Eh? I must’ve missed the lesbo stuff.Interesting. As I am one of the few guys here who has been nice to you,ya think I’d know about this. Anyway this thread is dripping with estrogen! Must…get…out…now…
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Fem. That’s so nice. thank you so much. I personally think you are a great woman, you are beautiful, honest, intelligent, educated, perceptive.
That is what many men want. Times have changed unfortunately, and for uneducated women like me it’s not so easy. Sure I know how to cook and clean, and other domestic work.. but I’m not very employable. And many men these days don’t make enough money to be the sole breadwinner. How much money am I going to be able to contribute to a marriage working a minimum wage job? We like the idea of a woman being in the home doing work in the house and raising the children, but with these tough economic times when women are expected to make a lot of money, women like me are just not equipped. And it shows when I am trying to seek employment.
I think a blend of both our characters would make for an amazing woman.. your intelligence, honesty and great body… and my..belief in traditional gender roles, Wow, what a woman that would be. But we are how we are, so we just have to choose to build on the good stuff and maximize it.
Plus a lot of men don’t want a woman who’s just “nice”, it’s good to be interesting also like you. I’m a sure thing, a man will always know I’m in the house knowing my place and not have to worry, but you are exciting too.
I totally know what you mean. Masosphere dudes balk at “career shrikery”, all the while not realizing what happens to women if they have to wait around for a guy to propose. What exactly is going to keep a roof over your head until that day?
I know it’s hard to have less job prospects because you don’t have formal education, but rest assured, the life of your mind is better this way. Part of why I never see anyone like you is because 99% of girls with your intelligence in the US go to college. And then they major in angry studies and they are obsessed with who and whom have more privilege in society (white males always have the most. I promise you that you don’t really understand what I am talking about here, and that is good).
You could probably study for the SAT and apply for a scholarship to go to a Christian college here. Then you would be educated and have good job prospects in a country whose economy is not so bad.
“I think a blend of both our characters would make for an amazing woman.. your intelligence, honesty and great body… and my..belief in traditional gender roles, Wow, what a woman that would be. ”
Thanks. That would be crazy. I agree. Our mutant meld would be the coolest chick ever. But in the meantime, there must be a way for you to gain stable employment with your many skills. You are a beautician, and you are at least bi lingual. In the US that would be more than enough to get by.
Apparently, it is possible to get married off PUA blogs. In case you don’t know, there is a blog for aspiring alpha males blog that primarily attracts practicing Christians http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/
I think if you go there and explain who you are, someone who wants you to be a housewife that raises kids in a Christian family will give you a serious marriage proposal. I think it will take maybe 1 week, but I can’t vouch for the quality of what you will find.
You could probably study for the SAT and apply for a scholarship to go to a Christian college here. Then you would be educated and have good job prospects in a country whose economy is not so bad.
This is a great idea..but the problem is it takes so much time, and I’m just not career focused enough. My main goal in life is to have babies, serve a husband and serve GOD..and the clock is ticking. Think by the time I finish studying, and then get a job, and then find a man, wait for him to propose, get married, then have babies.. wow.. it’s going to be many years away. I don’t want to waste these valuable years studying to obtain a piece of paper which will probably be of no use to me once I have children anyway. I’m just not ambitious in that way, I’m interested in so many different topics, I read all the time, I love reading about theology, human bio-diversity, anthropology, philosophy, comparing the bible in the light of modern science. It’s all fascinating to me, I’m well-read.. I just don’t want to make a career out of it. I have my beauty diplomas anyway, I’d be able to make money out of that if the economic situation here was better. The beauty business here used to be booming, we used to charge 40 Euros for acrylic nail extensions, now nobody can afford it.
It’s not so much that I am looking for a husband,, I’m a little weary of finding love online, we never can be sure if somebody is who they say they are. I am ready to marry, absolutely, but at the risk of sounding vain… I don’t have a shortage of suitors. Well that’s what they say anyway. Of course it could be false, it could be just men wanting to take advantage of me. Either way, I’m just so caught up in charity right now, my desire to help others is so strong it’s probably not healthy. I’ve got to figure out a way to overcome that and close the chapter before I move on. Other wise I guess I will accept that marriage is not for me and God wants me to help the needy instead.
“It’s not so much that I am looking for a husband,, I’m a little weary of finding love online, we never can be sure if somebody is who they say they are. ”
Never marry. I hate marriage so very much. Gentlemen never ever marry. It’s the worst thing in the world.
Pump and dump girls FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!
Embracingourfeminity will you marry me?
Did that do it for you? LOL.
Emma, are you dating a manosphere blogger too? I thought someone told me that.
WTF?????
Mark Minter!!!!! Ok let’s see here:
Direct Quote from the man himself:
‘Never marry. Duh. Plate Theory. Duh. Game. Duh. Pump them, dump them, next them. Duh. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN. Duh!!!!!’
From GKate’s parents:
“They were concerned about me and looked him up and all these articles came up: “Who is Mark Minter,” etc. And let me tell you, the answer in that article is not really what you want your parents to read.”
Gee I wonder why.
This is either one of the greatest triumphs of love conquers all or “Les liaisons dangereuses” Mark Minter style.
I prefer to think of it as the former. Didn’t someone once refer to me as an “iron butterfly”? (I never forget a compliment
)
Actually it’s an option strategy with a call spread and a put spread. There’s also the Iron Condor, which at least sounds manly.
Wouldn’t it be way cool if Berlusconi had his own PUA blog?
He does. It’s called “the mass media.” He’s a strong believer in Lead by Example.
Haha. Props on that one.
Oh crap, the one man wh ostands agianst marraige……destroyed by the unmerciful claws of marraige. I’ll bet this Kate person jsut wants his money or ot ruin him. Farewell Mark, you will be missed. The medusa kate has you now.Willing ot torture you through maraige.
Kate’s vageenia must smell like primrose.
ps hi kate’s parents!
LOL- They aren’t reading (I don’t think.)
If your parent’s every find Mark’s favorite soapbox ‘The Rational Male’, I don’t think you guys will be attending Thanksgiving dinners at their place anytime soon.
Maybe there’s a valuable lesson here. Mark is the most staunch anti marriage guys around here. All this sound and fury was just the crying of a man broken down by a psycho bitch. He obviously didn’t believe his message in his heart.
I guess that’s what Mark Minter is. He’s a microcosm of the standard American male. In his heart he still believes in love, picket fences, apple pies and at least he still wants to believe in it. That’s what most guys want, they want to believe. You give them a shred of hope and they come running towards the dream like moths to flame.
I think this delusion used to be able to be maintained easily when women’s sexuality was controlled. They had to believe that at the end of day, their wife loved them. Feminism took this useful lie away. Beta men needed to be reassured that being a beta worker meant something.
Here is Mark Minter. “Marriage is horrible, never marry, pump n dump.” All bullshit. The man was simply shell shocked. The first chance he got to marry a girl that wasn’t a raging mental case feminazi, he took it. I guess that’s what men want, a decent thin woman that they can lie to themselves will love them unconditionally.
Also, this probably should serve as mirror to all the divorced guys that talk big game about marriage is horrible and I’m done with women now. All a fucking veneer. Might as well hang a big sign that says ‘I’m a rage filled loser’.
+1, this site has gone very gay recently.
Fairies and company men abound.
It’s gettin’ so’s a man can’t even spit around here no more.
Our views are shaped by our experiences… I don’t know his history, but maybe when he changed his approach toward women, he started attracting more high quality women (in both looks and personality). And his perspective on love and marriage changed when he realized there are women out there who are worthy of his love and commitment. Few… but they exist.
I’m happily married but I’m still filled with hatred, hatred toward my cultural and political enemies. Nothing wrong with rage or hatred, just make sure to direct your fire at a deserving target. No point in hating women for acting like women, that’s what feminists do, and feminists are just your typical irrational females who have been allowed to believe they are rational.
great comment, ff. delusion is not gyn-exclusive.
FuriousFerret FTW
Being strictly against an institution is nonsensical — especially when that institution is the building block of civilization.
I never interpreted Minter’s rants as being against marriage per se so much as they were against the feminist understanding of marriage. Yes, that corrupted form prevails in our courts and in our culture, but it is nothing that necessarily cannot be overcome by a sufficiently feminine woman.
It’s not the institutions or the laws or the state that is primarily responsible for our state of decay. Culture is upstream from politics, MGTOW-MRAniacs. It’s the character of women that sustains the flimsy ideology despite all of its incompatibility with reality. It’s the resiliency of a female type that props up the ramshackle philosophy. If a girl is not just an exception to that rule, but is also a conscious, active proponent of overturning that rule, inviting her into the boys’ camp is not an act of betrayal.
It’s actually the first step toward reconciliation.
This war of the sexes is over the minute the alpha males decide it’s over. But they have become an endangered species and the few with potential are too busy frittering away their strength on dead-end hedonist ideologies, narcissistic fantasy, and fairy-tale scientism which are each as dopey as feminism itself.
Matt
So, who’s stepping up to the plate to take Kate on her bachelorette?
I’ll do it, Kate, if nobody else does. CH has my burn e-mail account; I can check it. CH?
Nothing tacky. No penis straws. No feather boas or suck-for-a-buck. Although I might just make you wear a tiara that looks like you mugged a drag queen for it!
Ah, sweet
Thanks, RD 
If you really want to help I still need a “fascinator.” Can’t find anything I like yet.
Thanks for the party, Heartiste. I am beat and gonna rest.
Bachelorette Parties are bullshit. She already gets a wedding. Another party would be double dipping.
Give her a choice between a shower or a bachelorette party.
Upon hearing the announcement, I’m sure many PUAs and MGTOWs felt a sudden need to shower…
Or wash their hands, at the very least. lulz
“I never interpreted Minter’s rants as being against marriage per se so much as they were against the feminist understanding of marriage.”
Exactly.
Congrats to Kate.
… and not to mention how many marriages, careers, and even lives were saved or improved through the writing of CH and some commenters.
Thank you, PA
…and very true.
Color me stunned.
Don’t do it Mark!
Don’t do it Kate!
Congrats Kate.
Thank you, Lara
I would like to hear Mark weigh in on why the change of heart. I think I understand though. After my divorce and a period of extreme butt hurt, I am back to very much enjoying women, though I am firmly in the never get married again camp at the moment.
I am however not oblivious to the possibility that at some point in the future I may meet a woman that genuinely makes me rethink this position because of her particular combination of characteristics, or she’s really good at snowflaking on me. Probably some of both. As I’ve said elsewhere, relationships are like movies, both require a bit of a willing suspension of disbelief to sit through the whole show. Chuckle.
It would be interesting to hear Mark weigh in on the evolution of his thoughts or to just flat out confirm that Kate does him right, and he decided to sign on the dotted line. Lolz.
Anyway, congrats. I’m against marriage, and I think you’re both fools, but if you’re going to do it anyway, I hope you both are very happy and it works out well for you.
ZLX1
Thank you for the congrats and good wishes
Kate can you talk a little bit more about how you convinced a man who never wanted to marry to propose ?
[CH: *channeling Kate* My rocket bod, relatively youthful looks, and strong suction muscles.]
I am dating someone, but I was going to give up on him. He’s never said it, but he seems opposed to marriage.
[You’ve got three options:
1. Leave him and date down (or date older men) until you find a man grateful for your company and willing to get hitched.
2. Be happy in a long, unmarried relationship.
3. Call his bluff.]
four options, and the fourth one is most effective: get preggers.
I told him I wanted to be a good role model for my daughter.
Just ask him to level with you, and if he doesn’t give you the answer you want, be prepared to walk away. If you are attractive and mentally stable, there really is no shortage of men.
If you are attractive and mentally stable, there really is no shortage of men.
And even if you’re not.
I took option nr. 2. It’s simply because I’d rather be his girlfriend than just married to whomever.
“I am however not oblivious to the possibility that at some point in the future I may meet a woman that genuinely makes me rethink this position…”
“I’m against marriage, and I think you’re both fools…”
Cognitive dissonance is one reason why the manosphere can’t be taken seriously. Smart ho’s come here to learn how to “game” the keyboard alpha.
“I am however not oblivious to the possibility that at some point in the future I may meet a woman that genuinely makes me rethink this position because of her particular combination of characteristics,”
I guarantee this will happen; not all women are feminist bitches. There are still traditional feminine women out there that look great as well as would like to take care of their man. When you meet her, you won’t want to be alone anymore, and pumping and dumping will seem mundane. You’ll take the plunge to be with her.
“As I’ve said elsewhere, relationships are like movies, both require a bit of a willing suspension of disbelief to sit through the whole show.”
True! In old-fashioned marriage lingo, it’s called acceptance and forgiveness. She accepts his male needs, and he forgives her feminine nature.
You guarantee it?
Yes, it’s human nature, provided he meets such woman.
Oh I thought the guarantee was that he meets such a woman. But I doubt marriage (or even monogamy) is in human nature.
Check Mark Minter’s age….
“There’s no fool like an old fool”
Bite your tongue! Age brings wisdom.
No…God brings wisdom to those that ask.
Solomon was 15 when he got it.
Bite your tongue! Age brings wisdom.
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And erectile dysfunction
I have a longer comment coming. But first, I want to say one thing.
When this Facebook announcement thing happened and members of Kate’s family learned of it, my name got Googled and the writing I have done came to the attention of her family. And some of it was quite provocative and written by me to be intentionally provocative.
And her family came straight at her.
They set up something like an interdiction where she was confronted by not only her family, but also by a PhD in Psychology, acting both as judge of whether she was rational and also to be the hired gun that a counselor often is.
The family compelled her to attend this session with them and this counselor.
They could not believe that a rational woman would wish to marry a known sexist and misogynist.
So she went into that meeting alone, and she stood her ground, she defended our ideas of the Manosphere, she stood up for me, my right to write what I have written, and she won the day.
Whatever you may think of her and what she says, know this, that when her feet were put to fire in a way that almost of none have, nor will experience, she stood up for you, she spoke for you, she defended you, and she believe in what we think and what we do here, and the good that it can and will have, not only in the lives of the men that read it, but also in the lives of the women that they as men may go with at some future time in their life.
She deserves your respect and she has earned it.
Thank you, Mark. Love you
Good on both of you. Don’t worry about that Rooshv article. He is a child, as are the commentators on the site and the other writers.
Fascinating reaction. “Ph.D. in Psychology” is the equivalent of a Cardinal in “The Cathedral.”
I would have such a grand old time at one of those “interventions.” Maybe even go home with one of their wives. Can you invite me if there’s a next one?
“Maybe even go home with one of their wives. Can you invite me if there’s a next one?”
Are you sinking into depravity, now? No one to marry, eh?
I’m saving myself for you. But you’re mega-shit-testing me with this whole engagement thing.
No, I’m shit testing YaReally.
You’re just practice.
His understanding of “shit test” is to analize you in the club shitter. Haven’t we gone over this?
See, I need you to teach me.
Now that you’ve finally gotten good with the stichomythia, you can’t use it anymore. I am going to miss you desperately.
Fly, little birdie, fly away.
Off, I go.
Let’s hope there isn’t another one. There are still some peace talks going on.
Holy shit Kate, you should have just told them you’re a lesbian and having a sex change. Would have been easier.
Given how SWPL her ‘rents seem to be, I’m sure you’re right.
So she defended your ideas that no man should ever marry as a reason she should marry you? The mind reels.
You wasted everyone’s time with your hypocritical anti-marriage rants. Typical Baby Boomer who says one thing and does another.
If true it’s really shocking how much someone can 180.
Quotes from Mark Minter (Nov 2012)….
src: http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-kill-the-player-inside-you#comment-65528
“The best sex is in the first 90 days. Duh!!! After that the shit gets old with same old sameness.”
“The reality is that you’ll be thinking of some girl you saw in the supermarket while you’re fucking your wife in order to try to even have an orgasm.”
“And as for growing old with her. You’ll be sleeping in different bedrooms and no fucking way will you be wanting to fuck that old beast.”
“And the only way any relationship with a typical self absorbed “strong and independent woman” is ever going to work and not blow up is if you kiss her ass.”
He makes logical points, unless he’s the most capricious man in the world he wouldn’t just jump to marriage after LTR.
Well, sometimes I’ve gone back and checked some of my posts here and there from a few years ago when in most extreme post divorce anger. It’s pretty embarrassing really. I made logical sense as well at the time and it was preaching to the choir.
It would seem a possible pattern is blue pill ignorance and then an event happens (divorce) that causes a lurch hard to the other side and into the territory of red pill rage for a bit, followed by a return to a more balanced view of all things.
Moral of the story: Be one of the most bitter, unrelenting and longwinded assholes out there and some women will find it Alpha in some way. You can’t half-ass it or you won’t be respected.
Now that I have said congratulations, I must say (if this is real and Mark Minter is really in on it):
Don’t listen to what a man says, look at what he does!!!
“Don’t listen to what a man says, look at what he does!!!”
I do…I look at women all the time.
Lol, you
Seriously though. No more applying this rule only to women. Not for me.
We have the dicks so we make the rules.
I think that’s how the line goes.
Pathetic.
amen
You mean this Mark Minter ?
http://www.returnofkings.com/319/who-is-mark-minter
He seems to be more Bitter MGTOW than Aloof Confident Alpha.
I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.
gay
Is today April 1???
This is fucking priceless. Doesn’t Kate also have a child from a former entanglement?
What’s next? Roosh majoring in Women’s and Gender studies? Matt King getting laid? Heartiste is black?
Thank you for the laugh.
Ahahaha
LOL 
lollzzolllzz
One by one the plaster idols crumble. Will you cope, Mister Rection?
I’ll get by, Mister King. They’ll never get me!
Doesn’t have the same cache as misdirection.
I was going to steal your line, “Alas, another jest fallen flat.” So I appreciate the originator beating me to the punch.
Alas… (yet another) geste fallen flat.
come on, matt… don’t be a poor sport.
hugh’s comment was pretty funny.
if anything, i think you should take it as an indication that you’re famous enough around these parts to be mic-checked with ch and roosh.
I think he pretty much took it in the spirit in which it was given.
GBFM is Larry Flynt?
SocialKenny is Rush Limbaugh.
And thwack is a Grand Dragon of the KKK
I would hardly call a ten year relationship (three years dating- seven married) an “entanglement.” I’ve been divorced five years and our daughter is six and a half. These are things many people here already know, just as they know I have always sought to make the distinction between a divorced parent and a single mom: the latter being a woman who has a child that was never married to the father.
That’s one epic Seven Year Itch you’re still scratching there.
He’s calaMINE!
But he still has lots of great ideas to share. He may have less rants, but he’s had tons of great posts about testosterone, the four year and dump cycle women go through, etc. that are ,frankly, pretty interesting and possibly very helpful to people.
Epic indeed… enough to blow wind up one’s skirt.
Lest (yet) another jest fall flat:
His proposal was probably a three-spacebar-tap missive, too.
58 years old. Nuff said.
It will happen to everyone but you.
Obviously none of this is real….but fairy tale stories are nice to read.
There was never a Mark Minter…he was just a figment of every guy’s imagination that they wished they could be. They created a golden calf to worship as he delivered sermons to tickle our ears…and tingle the ladies.
Kate decided to go with the story and now she is “engaged” to the golden calf. Now that the sacred calf has been slaughtered and submitted his rights to a single mother…where will we go, what will we do? Create another fairy tale I guess.
Besides I was hating on marriage long before it was cool to do so.
So Earl,
You don’t believe in pre-martial sex, yet you hate marriage. I mean something’s got to give here don’t you think?
I hate marriage in the present form.
I’ve only lived through the part of history where marriage has been an elaborate pyramid scheme for the government. I like the part where it is a religious institution.
There are good women left who want a Biblical marriage. But for the men who fail to find such a woman many become Priests.
and some women who are unable to find men who want a Biblical marriage become Nuns.
God has a different plan for each of us, not everybody is meant to marry, some are meant to serve God in other ways. I pray you will find a good wife if that is what you want.
I want Heaven…if a woman wants to join me on that quest she is more than welcomed to.
Okay. May God bless you with a good wife to be a helper for you.
Hey embracing you forgot to finish the sentence,
“Okay. May God bless you with a good wife to be a helper for you.”.. but not me. Oh Please God, not me even though I desperately want to get married to a guy that on paper meets all the qualifications that Earl processes.
Earl as far as I can tell:
– great profession/money
– works out
– super religious Christian
Now what does Earl have going against him:
Oh yeah, he’s a fucking space cadet. He wants some girl that been locked away in a convent. He says extremely weird cult leader Jim Jones types of remarks.
I think this a good illustration of hot Christian women never wanting anything to with their super religious counterparts because he comes off as ‘creepy’.
I must say I disagree. A man needs to be devout, and a strict Christian. How can a man who takes what he pleases of the Bible and discards the rest that is not comfortable for him, ever be a good leader for me?
This is the problem.. Men and women want to take only the scripture that doesn’t interfere with their fleshly desires. But there is no point in being a Christian if you want to be half and half. We have duties as women to fulfill, and this includes guarding against gluttony. So if we are being led by a Christian man, no, we will not get fat. Because gluttony is a sin, and as much as we may want to gorge our self on excessive amounts of chocolate from time to time, we cannot. We have to know the Word and try to live by it. Of course we will fail sometimes, but that’s why Jesus died on the cross for our sins, we get back up when we stumble and we keep pressing on towards our goal.. living to honor God, and getting to heaven.
The most terrible thing in my eyes, is to be a hypocrite, so I say this, but please don’t conclude from my words that I am implying a “holier than thou” attitude. No, me too, I am a sinner.
“We have duties as women to fulfill, and this includes guarding against gluttony. So if we are being led by a Christian man, no, we will not get fat. Because gluttony is a sin, and as much as we may want to gorge our self on excessive amounts of chocolate from time to time, we cannot.”
Ok. Seriously. I love you. I will marry you and take you to the wonderful city of gold, ‘District of Columbia’ named after our great leader George Washington. Much much better than anything in Greece. You’ll love it.
“I must say I disagree. A man needs to be devout, and a strict Christian. How can a man who takes what he pleases of the Bible and discards the rest that is not comfortable for him, ever be a good leader for me?
This is the problem.. Men and women want to take only the scripture that doesn’t interfere with their fleshly desires. But there is no point in being a Christian if you want to be half and half.”
That’s my point. Earl is a strict Christian to point of fanaticism and you would mentally shudder at even the thought of marrying him because of those traits. He has a great job, keeps fit, isn’t a liberal pussy. By being super Christians, men castrate themselves as being desirable because they show a lack of social unawareness and therefore a poor display of social dominance. Even though decent looking women say and maybe from a logical standpoint want those qualities because of the extreme negative social connotations and the faggy behavior encourage, they never actually pick those guys.
Again could be different in Greece where everybody acts like Achilles.
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”
Everyone picks and chooses from scripture. Nobody follows the thing to the letter (would land you in prison).
The Ferret, sniffing out readers’ true essences by piecing together years of comment posts. The Det. Columbo of the Manowebs. The Nate Silver of Online Game. The FBI needs him at Quantico for some profiling work.
“I think this a good illustration of hot Christian women never wanting anything to with their super religious counterparts because he comes off as ‘creepy’.”
Oh well.
I thought the whole point of being a Christian was we worship God and not the tingles.
By the way I am a space cadet…got any other judgements? I’ll help you…I’m also honest.
“He has a great job, keeps fit, isn’t a liberal pussy. By being super Christians, men castrate themselves as being desirable because they show a lack of social unawareness and therefore a poor display of social dominance.”
Well I’m in your head…so I must be showing some social awareness and dominance.
Everyone picks and chooses from scripture.
Not Catholics.
Nobody follows the thing to the letter (would land you in prison).
Aye. Christians have forgotten how illegal, traitorous, and subversive Christianity is supposed to be. You are correct. We have been domesticated and officialized and made harmless.
The great mistake the haters make, however, is interpreting this domestication as extinction rather than hibernation. But even a cursory glance at church history would reveal the power (and the regularity) of the great awakenings.
“I came to cast fire upon the earth; and would that it were already ablaze …
Thank you.
If that’s you in the picture and you are ever in DC, hit me up.
Why is Mark Minter the only one that play this racket?
Seriously though what’s up with you?
Pretty woman that aren’t bitches that want to get married do so. Maybe it’s a different flavor in Greece. Just come to America. You can marry a lesser alpha easily.
The one country that has done of good job of keeping their women from coming to America is the Nordic ones. Holy shit, if the women even knew what power they could have here. My sister is tall, blonde, with fair features and a traditional swede name and when she goes out you would think Helen of Troy had arrived.
If I was a Scandinavian woman, the first thing I would do when I reached adulthood is dye my hair bright blonde and move to America. If you think that normal American women are treated like special snowflakes, average Nordic ones are treated like goddesses.
I really do loathe blonde inflation. You shouldn’t be elevated by 3 points simply because you have fair skin and dye your hair, having all sorts of dudes overvaluing them and fucking up the market.
So back to the point, when do you want to move here and be my subservient wife?
Don’t tell her to come to the US. Go to Greece instead. She comes here and she’ll revert to the norm and bloat up in three months.
Did you notice how she changed pictures pretty quickly when this post came today about Kate finding her personal alpha through the ‘sphere?
Within three hours, a harmless picture of flowers morphed into hot nightclub vixen.
I can practically see the light blub turning on over her head.
Thank you Furiousferret, for the lovely compliment.
I have tried to be blonde but it doesn’t look very great with my complexion. Instead I opt for blonde highlights.
Nordic women have their local men even more by the balls.
No I had that photo yesterday. And it is not in a night club, it was in a taverna on New Year’s eve.
“Nordic women have their local men even more by the balls.”
Yeah but they don’t fall into the blonde inflation trap. You actually have to be legit symmetrical and have a good body to be considered beautiful.
In America, all you have to do is have fair skin and dye your hair and not be obese. Instant model attention by droves of thirsty men.
The economic situation in Greece has probably dropped the place to having about the same percentage of jobs and productivity as Eastern Europe. So engaging the hypergamy drives of a Grecian woman probably wouldn’t be too difficult with a modicum of Game.
Eastern Europe is doing waaay better than Greece. And I thought she was from Cyprus?
Cyprus, but of mixed parentage. (Parentage.. is that a word?)
No, “parentage” is not a word, at least not in English. The correct word is parentalicousness. HTH
Matthew that’s also not a word, I googled it.
Google says, “Did you mean parental curses, parental licensing, parental license” I’ll inform Google they have made an error
If you were going to just google it anyway, why did you ask? Other than to undermine my masculine authority?
What the hell, Embracing? I thought we were buddies. You don’t need the Google Machine. All you need is obedience.
I think I know what went wrong. I left out the second “i” in parentaliciousness.
Is this a joke?
I kid because I love. And here’s looking at you, kid.
Arggghhh Matthew I’m so happy you said this.. please tell me this.. what does it mean: “and here’s looking at you, kid”?
Somebody else said it to me recently and I didn’t know what it meant.
Post script: my inspiration is this artist:
http://dontevenreply.com/
Post post script: I have a much funner entry stuck in moderation.
Pleased to know your name, Naomi.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Here%27s+looking+at+you+kid
Matthew in greek your name is Ματθαῖος, lovely isn’t it.
OMG, Kate, congratulations!!!
Thank you, Maya
Congrats Kate and Mark-!
I suppose restoring traditional marriage roles is best done by example, not so much Internet blather, so kudos to you both for that!
A manosphere wedding reception sounds unbelievably cool- I wonder what the ceremony might be like (hint: no $15K for flowers…).
congrats again, many happy years.
Thank you, maurice!
lol- definitely no $15K for flowers 
He’s planning something simple/fun 
Hopefully, he’s getting a decent dowry out of this.
An ox and a skein of wool should do it.
Woman with low SMV manage to snag some (ex) anti-marriage guy that is 58 years old. Love conquer all!!!
Congratulations.
Dude Kate isn’t low SMV. She is a thin blonde in a land of obese land whales that practices blonde inflation. She also isn’t a feminist in the USSA. For a guy that’s in his 50s she’s an oasis in a barren desert.
She had a daughter of another man.
This isn’t the 1940s anymore.
There aren’t a bevy of hot young non obese women running around.
Kate:
– Blonde
– Not a bitch, nice personality
– Thin (that’s a big one)
Who fucking cares if she has a kid? Mark Minter is a 58 year old that has already raised children. He’s not some ambitious upstart.
Do you really think a senior citizen that’s isn’t rich or famous can do better?
Deal breaker for me.
Well, at least the kid is white.
Whenever women ask me when I’ll get married I always say
“I just want to make sure I’m at a point in my life where no more good things can happen to me”
“I just want to make sure I’m at a point in my life where no more good things can happen to me”
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That age seems to be 58.
She’s shapely and 24 years younger than him. Most American men his age would consider that hitting the jackpot.
Then she is selling herself cheap. But i think that she cannot do better than that.
I hope Mark takes that as a compliment zlozlzolzolz
“Yo” bro gets the charm school award for this thread. These two are getting married and he manages to insult them both.
Best of luck and happiness to them. Hope you make just so Yo can walk around nightclubs muttering to himself.
LOL Thanks, SM
I suppose I have to eat crow. So why the change of heart?
First, I would say I saw some photos that the rest of you have not.
Second, she is Red Pill and has actually been in this community longer than I have. You cannot imagine what it is like to have conversations with a woman and say “Remember the CH essay on ….” and have a girl say “Yeah, He was right on with that one.”
And I think the odds of men finding someone that fits the first statement AND the second are pretty remote. I believe I nailed down one of the 2 or 3 that might exist in the world that have photos that can make a fellow sit up and pay attention, and then having the intellect and the preparation to keep that attention.
Also, Her version of Red Pill is from the school that says low N count, respect for traditional female roles, and commitment to a man are those things that truly make a woman happy. She wants and demands a relationship where the man is a man and the woman is a woman.
She has a daughter. And she wishes to provide what she believes is the proper example for her daughter. And as much as we bash women that choose other paths, other forms of living their life, she has chosen to take the one path that we appear to state is the best path for the society, for children, for men, and yes, for women.
To me, this engagement is a validation of Game.
I practiced what I learned here. I am 58 year old man. None of you know what that truly entails until you get to that point in your life. Kate is an attractive 34 year old woman, with options galore if she chose to take them.
And in following what I learned here, following the suggestions, the psychology, the mandates, I have an attractive woman 24 years younger than me that is ready to commit to me.
Top that motherfuckers.
What game does for women is that it allows them to know themselves, they can understand in an explicit, and in an overt manner, why they are as they are, why they want what they want, what “metrics” in men constitute the “alpha” they seek, and how to realistically gauge those metrics, to know and understand the viability of not only the present with a man, but also the future with him.
What CH has done is to give that list of those metrics, that goal that men might have to achieve and to act upon those qualities that women not only FIND attractive, but also to maintain that attraction, to give those women the men they desire, and the men the knowledge to understand her, and maintain that desire.
I have read the politically correct statement some authors use in describe their Game blogs
“I write a blog to help men to understand the nature of attraction so that they may meet their relationship goals”
This didn’t start out as my “relationship goal” but it is where I am today. I feel the choice is sound. Not all of you know all there is to know about me and about her.
I can say emphatically
I got here because of Game. And a lot of what I learned, I learned right here on ChateauHeartisteMatch
I am preening so hard right now.
ChateauHeartisteMatch
hehe
You misspelled “peening.”
Cognitive consonance.
As a member of the target demographic: I must say:
Sincere congrats. Bang on, sir.
From one right old cunt to another.
bro ur acting like FemX!!!
58 is a good age
Kate, we can start a club.
well said. a happy ending is especially heartwarming in these often scarred and cynical quarters.
Top that motherfuckers.
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Fuck you, Grandpa. I bet that i can do better than you when i reach your advanced age.
Ha. Age shaming like a feminist crone. Pimply faced bravado.
Run along now, Chad Hardcore. Go BASE jumping without a chute, or whatever it is turds like you do when they feel they have to prove themselves.
Ha. Age shaming like a feminist crone. Pimply faced bravado
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Yes. I am better than that pathetic old man.
But, why are you so damned angry? Did he do anything to you personally?
Yes, we are all better than a lot of people in various respects.
With that out of the way, let’s explore the origin of the need for you to proclaim your unconfirmable superiority repeatedly and publicly in this specific instance.
It’s clear you are not at the level of self-awareness to accomplish such an examination. That quality comes with … age.
Ignore these idiot kids MK. Let this faggot scream it out.
See, you could potentially slight Mark for being hypocritical and not being a man of his word, but insulting him for something like age is off limits based on what wisdom age has brought him.
but insulting him
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So what? Bitch? Have you learned anything in this blog or what? We are not friends. We are in an eternal Darwinian competence. And be sadistic with the guy is fun.
Friendship is for the weak.
Hi Yo. You’re such a paranoid creep, even the Subway Masturbator wouldn’t hang out with you.
“Subway Masturbator”
Best nickname 2013.
Now we’re getting somewhere.
“Friendship is for the weak” smacks of rationalization. And isn’t that what you’re accusing the happy couple of doing so disingenuously?
See? Everyone can play your game.
Could you please rephrase that insult, I don’t understand which I did this time.
lol – you are so fucking emo.
IF you reach an advanced age.
You posturing fairy.
Finally, from the horse’s mouth.
“I suppose I have to eat crow. So why the change of heart?
First, I would say I saw some photos that the rest of you have not.”
Change of heart = she made you hard.
I get it…that’s how any guy changes his heart.
Like the old saying about MRA being 1 blowjob away from becoming a feminist.
Heh. So true.
I’m MGTOW until some sexy vixen puts me under her siren spell.
LOL, good one.
It is good to be noticed by the King.
It’s even better to be the king.
Heh
Ladies I hope you are reading, because it IS as simple as that.
Exactly
“Top that motherfuckers.”
I walked on the moon.
Crakkka whatchu say?
She’s 34 with a child and has “options galore.” Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.
the hypocrisy in this space is deafening. i sincerely hope that these two find happiness with one another, but i’m not going to pretend that kate is the paragon of “marriage material.”
You know who are the “paragon[s] of marriage material”? Sixteen-year-old pre-carousellers. So paragons and pedestals aside, what are you trying to say? Either child bride or the Fuck-a-Whirl and nothing in between?
Get to work fixing the culture by example, rather than taking advantage of depravity and whining about imperfection.
I’m not whining. No matter my age, I would never raise another man’s child. That’s what I’m trying to say. Would you, Matt? This isn’t about imperfection; this is me pointing out one of the lowest thing a man can do: raising (aka paying for) a child not his own. No matter your feelings for Kate, she is severely damaged goods to all buyers subsequent to babydaddy. The fact a man who screamed louder than anyone about the idiocy of marriage is now betroved to her makes for a delightful, serendipitous experience for me.
Anyway, despite your insulting insinuation, I am a gentleman who dates respectable ladies. I do not need a virgin or a slut, but either will do in a pinch. Thankfully, because I am out and about, I meet and date both. It is rather nice. You should get out of your monestary and try it sometime soon.
Also, the more I realize who the denizens of this message board ACTUALLY are, the more I fear I’ve been duped into spending the last several years on a message board for the lame and dumb. Are any of you normal people?
“This isn’t about imperfection; this is me pointing out one of the lowest thing a man can do: raising (aka paying for) a child not his own.”
But he’s 58; in 2 years he’ll be 60. At some point you have to come to terms with your age, and lower your standards. It happens to men to at some point (much later), just as it happens to women (much earlier). Mark is right at that point now, almost pushing 60. That’s why I’m not faulting him for his choice in Kate and his will to settle down, as opposed to continue being a bitter old man posting anti-marriage and anti-women bullshit.
“No matter your feelings for Kate, she is severely damaged goods to all buyers subsequent to babydaddy. “
You don’t know that; you’re just assuming she is. She wants to get re-married, that bodes well, no? In addtion, she’s alos at the point where she has to lower her standrds (mid 30s).
“Anyway, despite your insulting insinuation, I am a gentleman who dates respectable ladies. I do not need a virgin or a slut, but either will do in a pinch. Thankfully, because I am out and about, I meet and date both.”
I thought you said you were married? Can’t keep a story straight and you blame girls for air headedness?
No, some men never settle. Speak for yourself. No matter how old, I would never marry a woman is still raising a child from another man. Again, I’m happy for Kate, but MM is signing up for a motherfucking. Pun intended.
And, since you’re so curious, I am (very) recently married. I found myself to be wed through much dating with lots of women. That’s how it works for most (cool) people. I’m happy to report that my wife is terrific and I have an extremely solid prenup that I hope I’ll never have to use. (Attention to haters: before you tell me that a prenup is worthless, please know that I am a lawyer and I live in a jurisdiction that enforces prenups as they written. So, FUCK OFF with your useless legal proclamations).
Furthermore, I never once claimed to be a PUA. I don’t care to be associated with the “manosphere,” but I love CH’s insight into human interactions. He is a genius and prolific writer. Thanks to CH, I know why certain things I have done my entire life worked and I know why certain other things fell flat. I can never be like YaReally because I never really struggled with women, but I still do have a good sense for male/female interactions. I try to bring my perspective to this message board to compliment (poorly) the work done by YaReally.
Anyway, even though I’m married, I will never stop flirting with women and I can’t promise I will always behave. That’s between me and my wife.
“Get to work fixing the culture by example, rather than taking advantage of depravity and whining about imperfection.”
Hear hear.
@yeahokcool
“the hypocrisy in this space is deafening. i sincerely hope that these two find happiness with one another, but i’m not going to pretend that kate is the paragon of “marriage material.”
Please, and you are the same guy that once got on our case because we called out some pre-med student who was whoring herself in a bar. Now, you say Kate is not “marriage material”??? You’re hardly the authority on marriage material. If there is any hypocrisy in this story, it’s yours and Earl’s. Both of you are jealous Mark is getting married, while you still haven’t found a woman to inspire you to do that. Misery loves company, as they say. You’re upset Mark left the pack. You see him as a traitor.
I know this is going to get me a lot of hate from some men, but I got to say it anyway because it’s an ugly truth that needs to be revealed. If you think men don’t envy each other regarding relationships, think again. I personally know guys who try to fuck up their buddies even thinking about LTRs, let alone marriage. They badmouth marriage and the girl in question……until they themselves find a girl they want to marry and all of a sudden marriage is a good idea. That’s an example of Hypocrisy; not a change of heart one has upon evolving and growing. Men can be snide too, even though they use different tactics that don’t appear catty. Their tactics appear more analytical and reason-oriented. However, it all boils down to hypocritical self-serving dishonesty in the end.
I have found proof of my opinions in this article. http://www.fokmcast.com/2013/07/27/minter-is-coming/
“When a friend of mine tells me they are getting married, I no longer feign happiness. Instead I do my damnedest to talk them out of making a dumb decision. I’ve done this with the past two people to call me with the good news and I think it’s hurt our friendship. Which is fine–marriage kills many a friendship.”
Many men do this. However, women shouldn’t get upset when this happens, and it’s bound to happen, even among blue-pillers. I see it as a test of whether this man truly loves this girl, and wants marriage to be his future with her. If he does, no buddy could talk him out of it, let alone strangers and acquaintances on the internet who call him an “old hypocrite.” And no, I don’t think loving a woman is beta. That’s just bitter men speak. Revealing your emotions too much to her is beta. Love itself is not beta.
So Kate, don’t get too upset by the disparaging comments coming from so many guys. If Mark truly loves you and wants to be with you, no guy throwing sour grapes could dissuade him from marrying you. The problem is that you advertised your private life in public, and now you have to defend yourselves to the community, you in particular are doing this. It’s like trying to put out a fire. Who has time for this? Who wants to spend their whole weekend defending themselves? I don’t envy you.
That said, the article analysis of why Mark is possibly marrying Kate could be right on target. If that is the case, I hope that Kate pussy tingles and their shared red-pill philosophy are not the only things binding these two together, as this is not enough to build a life together. I’m sure his age has something to do with it too, but that’s normal, as age is something everyone has to face eventually, and it plays a great deal in all of our decisions and choices. Also, I don’t mind him not paying his ex-bitch wife child support, but does he have a job? Unless….he’s making a point not to have a job so that he doesn’t have to pay the bitch anything, why doesn’t he have a job??? A man without a job? How are they going to pay their expenses? Is Kate supposed to work, while Minter commenting on the manoshpere is going to be his occupation? No wonder her parents are less than thrilled. In addition, most women don’t respect men who earn significantly less than them, or contribute nothing financially. That’s a train wreck waiting to happen.
To say the least, these two have many issues to work out. They look good on paper (he’s 58, she’s a 34-year-old divorcée with a child), so while I am happy for them, I am also a bit concerned.
Kate, I hope you thought this through.
Who is this “our” you refer to? Regardless, am I to understand that you are suggesting that the very act of being a female in a bar is tantamount to whoring oneself out? Please elaborate on this concept for me. And, while you’re at it, please differentiate the levels of whoredom associated with being a chick in a bar as opposed to being a chick on a message board dedicated to helping guys get laid. Does posting on this message board somehow make you less of a whore than, say, a woman who doesn’t post on this message board?
And, for clarity, I am in no way opposed to marriage or jealous of MM’s betrothal… I’d tell you to ask my wife about my views on marriage, but, well, you’re a crazy person, so I’d rather not have you contact her. I am, however, very opposed to hypocrisy and I am very disappointed by the grand reveal that most of the people on this message board are clearly phonies and fakers.
You remember the episode, don’t you? It was about a pre-med girl who frequented some bar, and she is known around as a party girl who was bedded by a PUA in training. We called her a slut, and not fit to be a doctor. In contrast, you were critical that we called her a slut, and you said we’re being too harsh. Yet, you think calling Kate not marriage material, is not harsh?
No. I don’t think Kate being on a message board dedicated to helping guys get laid makes her a slut. Slut is something that you do actively, like get picked up in bars and have sex. Posting on a site like this, while might seem risqué to some who can’t distinguish the difference, is nothing like actually doing the deed.
“I’d tell you to ask my wife”
Since when are you married? You’re always talking about pick up. Anyway, good for you if you are.
“well, you’re a crazy person, so I’d rather not have you contact her.”
That’s OK, it’s the way I see you too.
“I am, however, very opposed to hypocrisy and I am very disappointed by the grand reveal that most of the people on this message board are clearly phonies and fakers.”
I don’t like hypocrisy either, but I don’t think Mark is a case of hypocrisy. I think he might have found a sugar momma in Kate. I hope my suspicions are not true. Either way, I worry more about Kate than about him, and I think feministx’ remarks down below might be very astute. http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/07/26/did-commenter-kate-meet-her-fiance-at-chateau-heartiste/#comment-461486
[CH: When women acquire sugar daddies, the men are getting something from the deal. Usually a hot babe willing to put out. When men acquire sugar mommas, the women are getting something from the deal as well. A man she loves and admires and whose company she enjoys, as well as whatever assistance that man brings to ordering her life.]
“A man she loves and admires and whose company she enjoys, as well as whatever assistance that man brings to ordering her life.”
I hope this is indeed the case for Kate. But what about Minter? Is it about something honorable, or is it just another phase for him? Feministx says he was married 3 times already, is that true?
[CH: He’s 58. Kate is 34. The SMV math is apparent.]
And one more thing: Ask yourself and be honest, if your daughter was marrying him or a man like him, how would you feel?
[Assuming all the relevant variables are operative, like my daughter is a single mom? I’d probably be happy she found someone.]
Would you be comfortable with him being her husband? I know my dad wouldn’t.
Just sayin’
[Mark sounds like a smart guy, if a little… excitable. I’d figure a guy like him, if real love was in his heart, would see to the best in both himself and in Kate.]
[CH: He’s 58. Kate is 34. The SMV math is apparent.]
Actually, this is the one point I can’t overlook; that’s the bottom line, isn’t?.
[CH: There’s always a bottom line lurking to make mockery of our poetry.]
[I’d figure a guy like him, if real love was in his heart, would see to the best in both himself and in Kate.]
Key word is “If”
But, time will tell. If this is the real thing, I hope they post some articles about their experience – like marriage game. Should be fun.
[The risks to a man engaged to get betrothed are obvious, (and there are risks too for Kate if she ever decides she wants another kid) and have been discussed ad infinitum among these outposts of ids unchained, but sometimes, the deal staring a man in the face is so enticing, given its comparison to whatever other deals are available to him, that the risks are worth it. Or: man cnanot sustain himself on principle alone.
(we want prenup, we want prenup!)]
She’s not too old to push out another rug rat,right?
AKA the feminism installed male hamster.
What an interesting development.
It appears all of minters writings were nothing but one giant hissy fit. No introspection or reflection upon the man inside. Nothing but feminine emoting all along.
My dad is in the old folks home. He had a loud roomate for a couple weeks, former chemical company exec, who boomed out his opinions and thoughts. Nurse came in to do a questionaire. When were you born? He answers “1919″.
Today they discharged him. As he was getting ready he said “You gotta look your best. No telling if you might meet a hot 75 year old…”
Just photos? No extended cut video filmed in night-vision green?
Some of you dudes could stand to be more chill. You’re making like MM has personally let down your He-Man Woman Haters Club. All of us have only to make the best of our few years on earth. God bless them both. I am grateful to Mark and Kate for so much food for thought, then and now, and wish them all the best.
Thank you
+1 on the Little Rascals homage.
I can hear Alfalfa right now:
I remember rating kate a 4 or 5, a rating which she took in good stride, and many guys disagreed with me because she was thin.But I had also noted her sweetness(femininity) through her comments, and compared her to say Lara??, who I thought would be difficult to deal with. Kate came to her rescue and said “Lara is not the word’s sweetheart”. Yet if I were to pick among the women here, kate will be a great pick. Congrats, I wish you well.
ps: @mark, we all saw that photo of kate’s legs! lol!
HAHAHA
I said she was not in the position to be the world’s sweetheart because she is married. I guess this means no more leg pictures. What a sweet comment you made here. Even though its not to me, it makes me really happy to hear people happy for him 
Yet if I were to pick among the women here, kate will be a great pick.
Well, it one’s choices were limited to the distaff staff of the chateau… DUH!!!
Cynthia’s the only possible alternative… all the rest would drive one nuts within a week, between $3000 handbag shopping sprees and incessant harpitude bloviation.
Mark,
Re-read what you wrote so well:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/04/09/the-plan/#comment-18681
You’re a volatile type, full of brilliance and hot air, insight and lies. At nearly 60, you should know not to allow the natural and understandable fear of aging to curdle into a cowardice that may compromise someone else.
Lock your body up, Mark — remember, you’re a Marine.–
“I saw some photos that the rest of you have not” ….huh..say what….let me read further
“she is Red Pill”…you know women really invented the red pill don’t you ….guff-hawhawhaw…dude she is in red pill disguise, women are the ultimate survival based chameleons, don’t blame her for trying though
“You cannot imagine what it is like to have conversations with a woman and say”…gentleman I present you with the beta male having found his unicorn
“Her version of Red Pill”……I solemnly swear your honor Mark to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth….so help me god, beta or is that omega male catnip…..your killing me here man…my sides are hurting…..please tell me she also shits rainbows and shooting stars
“She wants and demands”…need I refer you to the great prophet – Dwayne Johnson and I semi-quote – “It doesn’t matter what she wants and demands..Jabroni”
“She has a daughter”……..nothing wrong with that, more catnip for the beta white knight, Single Mother Maxim #5 Appeal to the beta male hamsters family and provider attachments
Dude, your commended on your knowledge and application of game as espoused at the Chateau, and lots of luck to you,
Your bleating liberal beta heart will ultimately determine her unconscious actions toward you and if you can believe links below provided by another commentator regarding Mark’s ex’s comments about him, given this event actually goes through I give it a half-life duration of 2 years tops.
Whereupon book deals and speak engagements parlayed into a tidy income will likely be forthcoming for one of the parties that’s not you.
Now you just have to find a husband for Maya.
http://www.overstock.com/Bedding-Bath/Dream-Man-Arm-Pillow/5894513/product.html
LOL
Some miracles are beyond even the powers of the Dark Lord.
Yup. :’( I know I expected things that no one could do for me. And I still feel guilty now. I’m sorry, Hearts … I hope we are e-friends again?
No, this is a stupid comment..
CH driving those BPD virgins crazy
Or rather there are some miracles the Dark Lord doesn’t really want to venture into.
Or maybe he just doesn’t have time and energy for annoying people who expect him to solve all of their problems (for free) and expect his attention all the time. I was incredibly weird and selfish with him.
Now that all that’s clearly behind you …
Well, this is awkward. Hit me up with bachelor party details, guys.
Done.
This comment works at multiple levels!
I think I dated your daughter (sister?) back in my Military days. Her First name was Suzy or something…
Second marriage divorce rates are… what? 80%?
Cuckold in 10 years
[CH: The odds aren’t the best, but on this day we carve out a small space for hope.]
hope
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Pretty Lie.
Hope and Change!!! Yes!!! We Can!!!
Si se pudenda!
No, no se puede.
It’s your fault. You turned me into a cynical nihilist unable to have any hope. Hope is for the weak. I don’t need that stupid shit. I take reality instead.
Why is Hope in the Pandora’s Box? A Box with all the evils of the world? Why?
Because Hope is a Fools Gold.
My only advice to you is: If you can’t open Pandora’s Box without retreating from the world in defeat, don’t open it.
I opened the box, and i enjoy greed, anger, hate…. You can take hope. Is boring. Its useless. I prefer the cold reason, the calculated probability, the carefully planing of actions and labyrinthine machinations over that.
“and i enjoy greed, anger, hate…”
Now yeah. Because you are a kid.
Accepting reality can have two effects: Total Annihilation or Total Liberation. Heartiste knows. With either, society is destroyed. But… who cares? Nobody can do anything to stop it. Rome second part.
“Where pretty lies perish?”
No more.
[CH: Sounds like something is eating you up. Care to share?]
No. I don’t not share. That is communist.
hhhhmmmm……don’t not share….interesting
CH has indeed helped me pump n dump bar skanks, but it has also helped me land a brazilian model fiance 15 years younger than me. I did not meet her here, but CH stoll deserves a great deal of credit.
How about Primae Noctis for CH?
That “first night” ship already sailed… back when the Exxon Valdez was in dry dock. lulz
Cheers!
Congrats to the happy couple lolz.
Perhaps I’m just a nasty bitter fucker but theres a good part of me hoping that this all goes very sour. If it does, I can only imagine how great MM’s first post- divorce comment essay will sound!
Those photos sound fin great! Any chance?
This is great news!
She was always a good commenter and fun to have around. Hope she and Mark have a long happy life together
Thank you, Rick
jesus…am I still drunk from last night?? lol
Yes, son.
lol. Tell your dad I apologize in advance for the girl shouting his name tonight.
winner.
/thread
She shouldn’t, she’ll get stoned (the bad kind of stoned).
Heysus Sr.?
Go to sleep. You’re just having a bad dream. Someone will wake you up when its over
Maybe 
Today’s post and comments were great.. We should have a party here more often!
Not enough fighting and arguing going on. Where’s Nicole?
I was reading the post and just being happy for people until I noticed a few negative nellying comments.
A person can from time to time, read a post and not have to comment. Every thought that comes into one’s mind does not have to be articulated.
I took an epic shit this morning. Looked like an Inca temple. Barely had to wipe, too. Great day.
Benedict Minter… just pathetic. Another blowhard selling out his principles when his cock has maybe 3 good years left. If you want to show off your game skills, getting married was not the way to do it. But it’s not about that, is it? 58 years old and can’t see past his dick. All those rants and it was all just butthext over not getting some regular sugar walls. Men make me sick. You stupid fucks deserve every inch of the feminist ramrod that’s been lodged into your colon.
You should have never wrote that she got over on you with some naughty pictures. She was attracted to you because you had some bravado and righteousness about you. Now you’re just another kept man who follows the beat of the provider of the pusssy. And so the cycle begins anew…
I have to agree with John. Read Esther Vilar’s “The Manipulated Man” again, boys, especially the final chapter. I think the very last line of the book is “Man, that beautiful dreamer, will never wake up from his dream.” — meaning women will almost always be able to bamboozle them into acting as host and provider.
By the way, did you all know that the majority of species on Earth get their living as parasites? It seems to be the default method of survival for living things. Not surprising to see it so well represented even in the highest life form, homo sapiens.
The really indigestible sourdough, however, is not that many marriages fail… but rather that some marriages work.
this has failure written all over it. a “red pill” couple is a ridiculous notion.
i never talk women about “red pill” knowledge. you shouldn’t either.
here’s a shocker, gents: women are not logical and/or reasonable when it comes to “love.” women want to believe love is a magical gift from the inchoate ether. help them sustain that fantasy. don’t explain. just do.
I agree.
right. where ‘red pill’ is just another social scene now
I have to agree with this somewhat. Most women can’t handle or understand what’s going on here.
If one can though, I don’t see how it would be more prone to failure than two people getting together who were both raised in realism friendly cultures.
Overall, the manosphere is kind of like a secular pro realism subculture. It’s what modernity should be. So two of our “children” have found each other and are going to make a legacy. There should be more of that.
It’s like what I was saying earlier. Too many here are too attached to absolutes, and there is no room for redemption, and barely any support or acknowledgement of growth.
It can’t be that a single mom can either not make things worse for herself, or see how she may have been misguided and change, and get props for that. She is supposed to accept a kind of degraded position and give up on ever being loved ever, and if a man does love her, something must be wrong with him. It can’t be that he’s compassionate or saw something in her that others didn’t, and is going to embrace the woman he wants. It must be that he didn’t have other options.
Have some of you looked around at the options lately?
And what kind of message are we sending to newcomers?
Pics of you both together or this is an epic trolling.
the trolling started long before they met.
NO way. MM was the strongest advocate against marriage.
you know how the saying goes – ‘don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do’.
oh, wait…
Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
>>>>>Top that motherfuckers
done and done. my girlfriend doesn’t have kids.
congrats to the happy foursome.
Which technically doesn’t make you a motherfucker, so he wasn’t talking to you.
I can’t help it! This one made me LOL
Does that mean I get first dibs on the bridesmaids?
There’s something tawdry and cheap about the marriage between these two, and I can’t quite put my finger on it.
Minter was rapidly becoming a Manosphere icon: a man who railed against feminism and marriage in terms that socked you right in the gut and left you breathless. When you read his posts you could almost envision him shouting his comments from a podium — red, white and black swastika – emblazoned flags behind him, the faint but unmistakeable shouts of “Sieg Heil” echoing in your ears…
….and ditzy, bubbly, irrepressible Kate, fka Geisha Kate — a thirty-something female with a child from a previous failed marriage, a woman who repeatedly chronicled her online dating failures — is so moistened by Minter’s rhetoric that she is compelled to reach out to him. The pair exchange emails, then photos, then graduate to chatting on the phone (just imagine that first conversation….)….thence arrange a meeting (probably “just for coffee”), and then….
….marriage?
It’s all very disappointing.
It’s sad to see that Minter abandoned his professed beliefs so quickly — if, indeed, he ever really believed them at all. (His “eating crow” post justifying his volte face is pretty damn weak). It’s sorta like finding out that Greg Eliot is married to a black woman, or that dipshit Matt King is really a hardcore atheist.
Mark Minter: you are indisputably a Hypocrite. At least have the courage of your professed convictions. Hell, I give Eliot, King, and the other regular morons on this site (Neecy, NiteLily, etc.) at least a few points for being consistent.
And it’s disappointing to see how easily Kate was wowed by the online Alpha-ness (if one may call it such) of Minter’s posts. Out of ALL the men she’s dated in the past year or so, the one she’s most attracted to — to the point of marriage — is Mark Minter?? Does she crave Alphaness so badly that she’ll settle for an online version?
This marriage proves how desperately afraid some men are of ending up alone — despite having been taken to the cleaners by a wife once before. (A blond named Suzanne from Long Island…remember her, Mark?)
And it also proves how utterly superficial and shallow American single moms can be.
When this marriage fails — and it will — I hope Mark and / or Kate will post all about it. I can’t wait to read THOSE comments.
When all the regular morons on this site have had their say, it’s always refreshing to hear from an irregular one.
We’re all bozos on this bus, and it’s full… so, sorry chum… no more on.
100% win. Very insightful.
Thanks.
He’s a divorced grampa who’s glad a (mediocre) woman “commits to him”. Guess aphaness is after all a gift you were born with.
As a side note, how convenient would it be if all single mothers (aka independent, vibrant and charismatic women) just assumed the role of nurses for old fucks. Win/win.
Will Powers Boothe play “Heartiste” in the made-for-TV movie?
1. The original question on whether she met him here or not, though academic, hasn’t been adressed at all
2. Almost comical how quickly we turn on someone who used to think like us.
I think I noticed him more at Rollos (quieter venue- isolation), but we did exchange some comments here as well. They have both been very influential.
“Top that motherfuckers.”
After I rogured the ForbesWoman stable, they stopped publishing anti-male diatribes.
I choked Linda Lovelace… and not with my hands.
By the way to address all the rumors…and to show women what they will get.
I am a Catholic…soul is most important.
Confession is my favorite place to be.
I do keep fit. Body is temple.
I hate cats more than you ever will.
My job is better than any job I could imagine…and pays enough that I won’t be bothered by gold diggers.
I do not worship the almighty tingle…but I do enjoy watching it appear to me
I am not a liberal pussy…but I do enjoy making smoke come out of their ears
I am also not a neoconservative…because I enjoy making smoke come out of their ears
I am a mentally ill psychopath…like my role model St. Paul.
I will not fornicate…but I will talk about sex constantly
I will piss off PUAs, womens, Christians, atheists, anybody who get offended easily, my family, and myself…and love every minute of it.
I will tell the truth because you will either laugh, become uncomfortable, or get angry. The three best responses.
I am a liar…and that is as honest as I will ever be.
SHE is marrying a paper alpha, but that means nothing to her because she’s marrying an idea. This is all about her. Every woman loves a challenge of changing a guy, so imagine her thrill of conquering and then marrying the supposed biggest anti-marriage guy in the manosphere. That’s like beating Michael Jordan in the pick up game.
Be careful Mark,
Kate may not be satisfied until she sleeps with Louis Farrakhan.
Oh, stop.
I honestly don’t know why some guys are either angry or surprised this happened.
You know that dude in between your legs…he doesn’t think the same as your rational brain does. Why do you think you have a never ending war inside?
I get from my comments people think I’m this religious freak who doesn’t seem to get it when it comes to sex. But I do…if the wrong girl came along and did the right things…I’d probably fall into that trap too. The last place I would go is a blog forum to brag about how I got some HB8 into my bed because of my smooth seduction techniques. I’d go to confession and have God wash that nasty skank’s power off of me.
Again women are predators posing as house pets. Tread with caution.
Again women are predators posing as house pets. Tread with caution.
I hate cats.
They call it pussy for a reason: tempermental, moody, playful, stone cold cruel, petty, opportunistic. Not tolerating real cats probably transfers to not tolerating pussy. I don’t like to follow liberated woman’s pace of escalate-and-hold-test by her numbers, 1-2-3, but I’m not alpha pulling inexperienced or overwhelmed pussy. If Roosh will tag behind on a walk for the lay, I guess it’s time to tolerate cats. I have resigned myself to playing her lay-by-numbers. They have that much political power now.
Congrats to Mark and Kate! (I put the guys name first.) Even if it does not last for them, it is likely the right thing for them. Enjoy the ride of life such as it is. I think patrarchy is the secret to a good marriage and otherwise it takes luck. I think the more civilized men are more amenable to monogamy, a quality vs. quantity thing, and marriage can still give a man a high quantity of sex, not to mention the riches of family. If Mark already did the dad thing, the step-daughter is not that big of a deal on an emotional level. I think it becomes more about companionship. Marriage is as good as boyfriend/girlfriend these days if you don’t stay like a fool, so let them have their fun as they like it.
But trusting in Kate’s red pill wisdom, if that is what’s happening…it’s lonely at the top and being the king of one’s castle and life is lonely in the decision-making part of the psyche. I hope Mark is comfortable being lonely in his decision-making convictions. And I wonder if he will write good stuff anymore, about anything. If this doesn’t work out, I look forward to epic but insincere vitriol. Why be angry all the time? Fuck it.
I still think the engagement is a hoax.
“Congrats to Mark and Kate! (I put the guys name first.)”
Thank you. (That’s the proper way.)
Silly me. On previous post (that might yet go through) I stupidly said marriage was like gf/bf if he just walks away once it’s no good. That’s the prevailing mentality, and as for consequences that’s if he walks away to a jurisdiction sans extradiction. There is the divorce rape thing. Get the prenup, for both sides. And maybe a vascectomy just in case? Stay lonely but not alone, brothers.
You keep talking about the dick. Dude, don’t you realize what you are implying? That Mark Spinchter or whatever his name is… wasn’t getting laid (at least by a decently hot and slender babe who’s not crazy) and is therefore willing to get hithced to the first one that has thrown him some pussy juices.
Yeah…it’s your best friend and worst enemy.
Well, it IS the only plausible explanation.
Mazel tov
Hahaha…. You guys are all shocked by this? That some of these manosphere writers are… well, just writers?
Sure these dudes can write good game. Sure they may even have good healthy experiences. But most of them had to get into writing about this only because they suffered in the sexual marketplace early on… and suffered badly.
None of them is, indeed, anything more than a man trying to emulate what real “Alphas” (for lack of a better term) do and feel naturally.
My best friend is a real Alpha. I’ve learned more from being with him than I have from everything else combined.
His father is a real Alpha. Lives with three women in the same house. One of them is his mother. None of them is married to the man. All three of them enjoy good status. All three of them are still in shape. The youngest one is only 30 years old. The oldest is my friends Mom… She’s 45.
This man fathered 8 kids. And got laid like a tile. It does matter that he is a business rockstar, and has fucked so many women he met from business that should the nightgame PUA’s be shown records… they’ll be forced to weep in unison.
Anyway… stop taking these blogs too seriously. Take whatever suits you and makes you stronger. Leave whatever doesn’t.
Mark… you sissy. You obviously had too few options IRL and too big a mouth.
Kate… well done, lady. Although you could have tried to be with a real Alpha had you been younger and childless. Maybe you wouldn’t be his Numero Uno… certainly you wouldn’t have been his only one. But nevertheless, a real Alpha is a real tiger.
CH: What’s wrong with you, dude. You are certainly more rational than this. You’re celebrating that your blog is where these hell bound people met? I’ll tell you what… That’s what old ladies do when they introduce a couple who end up getting hitched.
Well, whatever floats all your boats.
Can’t you just be happy for them?
Goodness!
Thanks, Nicole.
Oh Nicole… I’d have to be too ignorant.
Not everyone has a real alpha as friend, in fact where i live is a religious área, and most men are the type that have only one partner, they see womanizers as wrong, some can’t do other than buying books or Reading internet.
Brilliant comment. Not the personal diatribes but the paragraphs above that.
I would never have guessed after all he wrote he would marry a single mother. Even using the NAWALT tag that’s so heavily discussed in the sphere. It’s pretty text-book to have a woman on her best behavior during the honey moon period, I mean it happens in damn near every new relationship.
Guys get desperate when they aren’t having sex, hell, some of us kill to get it. I don’t know either of these people so I can only infer from what’s written, but it only reiterates why men are so easily manipulated/enslaved. You control the pussy, you control the men (unless there’s some kind of uprising, and I don’t see that happening).
Today’s culture isolates men who don’t fall in line with the feminine imperative. Seems like you’re either a slave or a red pill PUA of sorts, no in-between (unless you pay for it directly).
Marriage today is simply a tool to give women “leverage”, nothing more.
Kate and Mark, probably my two favorite people in the ‘sphere.
Has there been some strange fluctuation in the Force, propelling us all into some better, more compassionate Universe?
It will be fascinating to see you both continuing to comment here.
Congratulations!
How touching! Thank you so much
We’re going to take really good care of each other.
They’ve always been compassionate, just realistic. Sometimes there is no “nice” way to say some things and still be understood. Some of the guys here have helped me a lot, and I am a warpig living abroad. So there wasn’t even sex in it for them.
Roughness and hostility are not the same thing.
Congrats Mark and Kate!
I don’t see your blogs resulting in any nuptial engagements
*koff koff* Someone already beat you to it.
http://nightskyradio.com/2013/05/01/right-on-time/
And congrats again to you
I’d love to read some posts about your story 
When did the Chateau become a place for women to pat each other on the back?
It just tends to attract the sort of women who, despite our differences, still wish each other well. It is a rare thing.
I may be misunderstanding
“First, I would say I saw some photos that the rest of you have not.”
Is this a long-distance, online relationship that has led to a real world commitment?
i miss the ‘tits or gtfo’ days.
Whoever said they were over?
We really should have a “pics or it didn’t happen” part to this story.
Until then…it’s just another part of the fairy tale that has been created.
I wanted to give you a nice wedding gift, but everything I own is all grimy and disgusting, so I’ll just tell you a story.
I worked somewhere once with mentally disturbed people– I felt right at home!– and there was a beautiful, absurdly tall social worker who was newly married there.
When her husband got angry or was in a bad mood, she would help him out by acting like a three year old and admonishing him to “Turn that frown upside-down.”
She would even illustrate with her hands to her face.
No one can stay angry at someone willing to look that dumb to cheer them up.
lol
Kate.
My congratulations to you. You deserve it. You’ve earned it. I wish you and Mark the very best – may all your journeys and destinations be safe and prosperous.
… and I do believe that some women on HUS – when they hear about this union – are going to be in uproar.
Ignore them.
Once again, I wish the both of you well.
Sincerely.
Marellus.
Thank you, dear Marellus
…I don’t know any of those women-have never really read there-definitely have’t posted…
There’s been a lot of furor already and aside from thanking everyone who has so kindly wished us well, there isn’t too much more to say at this point
Ok, so she’s hot. She’s smart (red pill), and enjoyable to be around. So why marriage? Fuck her. Move in with her. Spend the rest of your life with her. Why exactly do you need to marry her? Or she you?
Hey Mark, you’re in Dallas I think; as am I. Want me to start on a bachelor party for you? You can get my email from CH.
Congrats to the happy couple.
Haven’t read the comments, but when I googled Mark Minter the first thing that came up said: ” There is a commenter named Mark Minter who is dropping anti-marriage bombs all over the manosphere.” LOL
Until I see wedding pictures I am going to believe (and hope) that this is some elaborate hoax. I don’t want to live in a world where all the time I spent reading Mark Minter posts were a waste of fucking time.
Today this blog has lost a reader. All y’all full of shit.
We definitely won’t blame hypergamy on her this time
http://manboobz.com/2013/04/23/mark-minter-takes-on-marriage-mangina-manservants-and-americas-matriarchal-infrastructure/comment-page-14/#comment-303134
Those are quite some comments by the ex-wife. She has a Linkedin profile which checks out so it sounds like it is really her.
Oh my…
Sounds like she picked a real winner!!
Why, oh why, do some grown women still let themselves get carried away by some guy’s BS instead of the reality that surrounds him???
Mark Minter can write a good fairy tale.
I guess, as the hooker said in “Pretty Woman,” Kate “wants the fairy tale.”
Let’s give the movies’ homage routine the gravity it deserves in this case, dahlink… a propos, in title and quote:
“If this ain’t a mess, it’ll do ’til the mess gets here.”
– No Country For Old Men
As GBFM would say:
LOLZZZZZZZZ!!!!
His ex-wife sounds like a horrible cunt. What kind of person would go on some random blog and talk all that shit, calling him out by name like that? What an awful human being. It’s obvious that being married to a harpie like that would give any man a lot of baggage to deal with. I have more sympathy for Mark now than I did before. I wish these two well, somewhat reluctantly.
A fairy tale set in a basement rather than the Beverly Hills Hotel.
LARA ON LAURA ACTION
Now that puts the “L” in the “L” word… lllozozozozlzlzlzozozlzlzlzlzlzl
It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying… well… your guess is as good as mine.
So, according to this woman claiming to be his ex-wife, Minter has been fired from every job he’s held, has been unemployed for around 5 years and is now broke. That for the past 4.5 years he’s been living in his sister’s spare bedroom, the only thing preventing him from being homeless. She claims, despite being brilliant, that he owes tens of thousands to the IRS, is delinquent on child support.
Now, the little lady’s either a hard-core pot stirring’ trollette or Minter’s got some splainin’ to do.
Then again, I don’tknow if boring due diligence will be heard over the estrogenic shrieks of congratulations around these parts lately. It just confirms that we all must learn from our own experiences in life.
I know we are all in a process of change and hopefully positive growth. So I really do wish the best for everyone. But as we all know there are 3 sides to every story, the truth being the third side.
I just sense a situation of bitter MGTOW going straight back to marriage, with a passenger in the rollercoaster next to him (who only heard a single click of the lap bar) before drilling down on some deep Inner Game.
I could be wrong. It’s been known to happen a time or two.
[CH: I wonder if it bugs Minter’s ex that his new lover is quite a bit younger than her. Actually, I don’t wonder.]
greatest
troll
job
EVER
Inside that fierce Alpha exterior beats a bleating soft Beta heart
He discovered that his castles stand,
On pillars of sand… pillars of sand.
As did we.
This should not be believed unless Kate confirms or deny. If she did confirm; then power to the CH. If she denies; then down with the CH
.
On a serious note, this would be huge for a game blog.
Congratulations Mark and Kate!
Just wondering y’all planning to have more kiddies?
Meeting someone “here” is an interesting concept.
Hush and get in mah belly.
nom nom nom nom
This is a wind up. Surely? I hope its not.
[…] manosphere is abuzz with the news that amazing commenter Mark Minter has gotten […]
If “sminter” is in fact Mark Minter’s ex-wife, she is as spectacular a harridan as one would expect from Minter’s harrowed writing. People have characterized Minter’s writing as “bitter,” and it is, but his writing also reveals a man with passion, humor and an eye for the telling detail.
The former Mrs. Minter, however, writes as if she is a parody of what Mark Minter warned about: an absolutely grotesque harpy, whose bile is no less black after many years away from the supposed “loser” and “troll.”
Now, while this engagement at a distance between Minter and Kate is clearly a mistake, an error of enthusiasm on the part of both parties, the affair has made a few things clear, to wit:
First: *hell hath no fury.* This old saw needs to be branded on a man’s forehead if ever he doubts its deadly truth.
Second: never become a hero to weak and small men. The moment they find you have the usual clayey human feet, they will rush in and prattle about how they “always knew” you were “an absolute fraud.” The reaction of the ludicrously dubbed “manosphere” to Minter’s all-too-human failings has been despicable.
Third: internet marriages conceived at a distance are almost as dopey as public announcements of engagement.
Sorry, Kate and Mark. Best to dust off and move on.–
Second: never become a hero to weak and small men.
A fair point… the problem, however, is that it’s ever-so-much harder to hold sway over the proverbial “big pond”.
Excellent overall comment.
“never become a hero to weak and small men. The moment they find you have the usual clayey human feet, they will rush in and prattle about how they “always knew” you were “an absolute fraud.” The reaction of the ludicrously dubbed “manosphere” to Minter’s all-too-human failings has been despicable.”
What’s hypocrisy?
Congratulations to both of you and all the best for your future together. I recall many times when I thought Kate would make a good wife and that she deserves to be happy. God answers all prayers after all, it would seem. When your marriage is happy, the rest of the world seems like a distraction and none of it matters very much. May you both know this feeling together.
Congrats Kate. I think… :-/
His ex is calling him out as a loser, and if what she says is true, he is one.
Personally I am smelling troll, because Kate isn’t this stupid.
Let’s be fair here, guys…
How could he ever refuse?
It feel like he win when he lose. lozozzlzlzozozolzlzlzozozlzlzlzoozlzl
[…] Medellin to enjoy the company of feminine, more traditional women. And in spite of all that comes the bombshell announcement that he is re-marrying in America… to a single mom. He is signing into a legal contract […]
Roosh,
Your post is cruel, and even vicious because you know these words will follow MM forever.
With power and influence comes responsibility: if you were indeed a man of honor, a leader of men worth following, you would forgive Mark — roast him with affectionate mockery for his human errors and frailty, that’s his due — and then welcome him to reflect on these matters, in writing, as his life continues to change.
If the title of your post was, for example, “Mark Minter Has Changed,” it would invite serious reflection on what it means to be a man in our time.
Again, the cruelty with which you are savaging Mark is wrong, unworthy of you, and it would be a truly superb thing if you were to change course, and treat this matter with the subtler reconsideration that has characterized your recent “second thoughts” about so many things.
I hope this will happen, because I admire you as a man and a thinker.–
Agreed. Minter was a known quantity for anyone who looked closely enough. That Roosh didn’t look closely enough is even more of a letdown of a man who was famous for his hard-headed realism and immunity to idol worship. And now that he is having a hissy fit about his own self-deception … that’s the worst development of all.
It’s a long way down off the pedestal, and there’s no cushion at the bottom. It is best to never regard mere men as idols, to expect foibles and flaws, and to proceed in a spirit of forgiveness and mutual support and group improvement. But the “manosphere” sees this methodology as weakness, when in truth, it is the only way to keep them from internecine self-destruction.
Wait … I think I heard this one before … somewhere …
Put not your trust in princes,
In a son of man, in whom there is no help.
When his breath departs he returns to his earth;
On that very day his plans perish.
— Psalm 146:3-4
Also: we are all sinners. We all “fall short of the glory of God.” You live a happier life to acknowledge this universal reality up front and to charge forward in the expectation that man is weak and hubristic and destined to fail you. Then when the inevitable happens you don’t have to readjust your philosophy for life.
Same with our host here, same with every other “manosphere” “superstar.” They are just men, like you and me,
[CH: Speak for yourself. *reclines in throne of bones*]
not tenets of a perfect philosophy in the flesh, not an embodied manifestation of truth. Hence the nauseating, gushing hero-worship promoted here.
[Were the apostles gushing hero-worshippers?]
Hence the reluctance to admit flaw or error
[I admit my handwriting is chicken scratch. *bows head in shame*]
(or, unlike Minter, their real identity),
[You do realize, senorita Matthew, that there are legitimate reasons for anonymity that have nothing to do with any reluctance or enthusiasm to admit to personal flaws?]
fearing their audience will see the little man behind the curtain,
[I myself rarely write detailed personal anecdotes here. The blog is bigger and broader than a vanity project. This blog stands or falls on the candor of its’ authors real world observations whether collected from personal or third party anecdotes, on the theories constructed from those real world experiences, and on the applicability of those theories and observations to readers’ own lives. The blog strikes a chord because it resonates with the truth that readers themselves see and feel and hear every day.]
and paranoid that their acolytes’ already ramshackle faith in them will collapse altogether.
[It is a misguided reader who puts his faith in the composite minutiae of any CH author’s personal life. That’s not the point of the blog. Fortunately, most readers aren’t that misguided or lead lives that empty; they understand that it’s the lessons of Le Chateau, the illumination of the gears that power the superficial machine of our daily existence, that is the draw and the source of followership. Now the authors’ personal lives do happen to coincide fairly closely with the lessons here, but in the abstract it would not matter whether that were the case or rather that the deliverer of these universal truths was a piss-stained bum living over a subway grate. The laws of nature won’t be revoked either way.]
Matt
[Game, set… matt.]
Matt King writes:
“It is best to never regard mere men as idols, to expect foibles and flaws, and to proceed in a spirit of forgiveness and mutual support and group improvement.”
Considering that our dimwitted Jesuit has made a career out of insulting and demeaning commenters with whom he disagrees, I find this comment of his to be just as hypocritical as Minter’s volte-face.
Fuck you, Matt.
Roosh has written about this on his absolutely terrible site filled with fake stories and Maxim caliber “advice for men” articles, returnofkings.
Good to see that some people aren’t too stubborn to change their minds.
Much like Mark “Leykis” Minter is obviously going to change his mind again when Kate rapes him in family court and he’ll be singing the same tune he used to, until another Kate comes along this pussy beggar’s path.
[CH: I don’t think Kate will do that. Course, I’m not about to lay a bet on my hunch. Upsets in sports happen frequently enough. But as hunches go, I’m confident in my read of her.]
Kate is marrying a dude who reportedly is unemployed and unemployable, who has not paid any child support since his divorce in 1999 and who has no relationship with his own children. Supposedly he lives in his sister’s house and doesn’t even own a car. Kate and her spouse are employed, so it is mark who is in the position to financially exploit kate. This will be his 4th marriage.
Now Kate’s ex needs to be nominated for beta of the month. Kate is putting all rational interests aside in order to marry some smooth talker who has nothing going for him at all. He believes in nothing with conviction because his main gripe on the internet was about the evils of marriage. Kate’s ex will be paying child support to support Kate’s household and her useless new husband who is about one step better than a white collar criminal. But she loooooves him. He has dread game down, didn’t ya hear?
CH, I am surprised that you seem to have warm feelings towards this marriage. Mark Minter is coming out ahead, that is true. So you show your allegiance to your alpha brothers in arms. But still.
[CH: It appears to bug you no end that a woman can love a man for more than the fatness of his wallet.]
What shall one love a man for? His character? His principles? Except this guy ranted one thing again and again and again and meant not a word of it. So he is a hypocrite and a liar, not just some broke guy.
I get loving a guy for something else other than his finances. But what exactly does this guy have going for him?
NM. He has game. Sigh.
is THIS the Minter you’re talking about:
http://manboobz.com/2013/04/23/mark-minter-takes-on-marriage-mangina-manservants-and-americas-matriarchal-infrastructure/comment-page-14/#comment-303134
“Mark Minter is an absolutly insane person. 1st off, we have been divorced for ten years, dont you think it is time to get over it? Secondly, if you Google me or look me up on FB you will get images of me and my current husband. I am 52 – 5’7 and 135 pounds, not quite the pig Mark makes me out to be – and oh yeah – my current husband is 44. On another note, the reason I Show up in Google searches is because I am an energy analyst who travels and gets paid to speak about the emerging US energy markets – I am clearly a moron.
Mark Minter has 2 children, including a 19 yr old daugther. He has never paid a dollar of child support in his life, so all of the crap he spews is crap. He has not worked in 5 years because no one will hire him. Amazingly, he has been fired from EVERY job he ever had. He lives with his sister because without her support he would be homeless.
This is the man that people are calling “great” – he is a bitter ass.
This might not be the most direct way to get my point out but it was the easiest. Please share as you think appropriate.”
LOLOLOLOL what a fake, weak, hypocrite of a guy. No doubt Kate is some old ugly fat broke chick.
http://www.returnofkings.com/14846/mark-minter-is-a-phony
Oh, what the hell…someone has to fuck her (shrug).
Roosh, over at ROK seems to have taken this a little too seriously as have many of the commentators over there. This to me helps explain why certain religions like Christianity can spawn the crusades and the KKK, and Islam can spawn the Taliban. I therefore dub all of the people who believe that it is morally wrong for Mark Mintner, whose commentary I’ve also enjoyed, to fall in love and get married the Manosphere Taliban. Commentators over here seem generally more mature about this sort of thing.
I don’t think anyone has any “moral” quandry over MM getting married. We all know how marriage favors women and pretty much screws men (today), that’s the issue.
Its actually comical. To have a woman infiltrate the “sphere,” snatch up one of the more prominent contributors with a marriage proposal and pretty much nullify all that he apparently stood for, is the epitome of irony.
Not only that, but to flip the script and get congratulatory wishes from a lot of the people who discuss all sorts of ways men are getting screwed through modern marriage laws, is just……lol.
I don’t know these people so this doesn’t affect me personally, but I think it’s actually a great demonstration of how skillful women are and what a lack of options and convictions will do to a man.
It may end up working out, but it’s still a bad bet.
Bunch of drama queens over there.
You don’t get married to a single mother after writing the diatribes Mark has written about marriage.
Lol.
No, actually Kate shouldn’t get married to a man who has written what he wrote about marriage and women in general. The fact she still wants to is amazing. Clearly, she is taking a chance on him.
Hey, there’s no one putting a gun to her head. Or his, for that matter.
The single Mom objection part of it is similarly misplaced: What if,…you know, just what if Mr. Mintner actually has a good relationship with the kid and…..what if…he actually comes to enjoy the relationship with the kid and what if…..the kid comes to enjoy the relationship with Mr. Mintner ? What if that happens? Is it then ok to marry a woman with a kid even though you were previosly against that sort of thing? Well, all of the above happened to me, so it can happen. Some PUA guy said long ago (I forgot who it was) that sometimes we have this whole thing wrong about a woman with a kid and that perhaps a better way to look at it is that it might, just might, be a bonus in that within that relationship there is someone else to…..dare we say this word on the manosphere ? will the Manosphere Taliban seek to cut out our tongues ? Love – someone else to love and maybe the kid loves you back and maybe it can be quite a lovely thing.
Well-said… these yahoos around here, barely out of their “kid” years themselves, still have to learn the “human touch” aspect of life… and that only seems to come from having children oneself… or at least, the guardianship of one.
You despicable shitstain.
This guy went on hate fueled rage tirades wherein he considered ANY kind of marriage suicidal.
THEN he turns around and gets engaged with a woman. It would’ve been phony with ANY woman. But the fact that it’s a SM, someone whom most manosphere people would agree is something that is a big red flag (up there with being a Feminazi) that just makes it DOUBLEPLUSPHONY.
It would’ve been OK if it had been just another guy. But THIS guy? Lol.
certain religions like Christianity can spawn the crusades and the KKK, and Islam can spawn the Taliban
This lefty spew invalidates your credibility to pronounce any judgment upon anything.
Great faith is not intrinsically corrupting. The corruption occurs in the substance to which one is faithful. You believe that if we just take life “a little [less] seriously,” then all conflict will cease. This is an inherited liberal understanding of the origins of disagreement, which goes hand-in-hand with the assumption that there is nothing to be passionately engaged in, nothing worth “seriously” fighting for.
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace…
Nice try, Lennon. Ask Mark David Chapman how all that “imagining” worked out for you.
Your vaginal elision over serious and appropriate conflict makes you unfit for the fight. You are a preemptive supplicant, someone who surrenders and encourages all men to surrender the entire cause for fear of the extreme actions on the margins.
Get out of my foxhole, pussy. This is worth talking about, even if all the warfare makes you cringe and cower and wimper and flee.
Matt
I meant to give him a “You fairy” for that usual suspect Cathedral comment as well, but got distracted over the “kid” thing.
Yeah, though hard not to notice how Matthew King seems to be feeling butt pain over getting pipped at the post.
You noticed that too, eh?
If you ever stopped living your lives through the actions of better men, you’d realize how petty and weird your conclusion is.
The first thing you’d notice is that better men do not interpret everything through the narrow range of emotions available to runts like you, which travels the short distance from frustration through resentment before (in the best possible cases) settling on revenge. Usually you peter out somewhere around a silent, smoldering self-hatred, which manifests itself in cathartic bursts on the internet.
And you’d have a richer life off the computer, which would endow you with a richer imagination — maybe even one rich enough to imagine that not every concern for a woman is comparable to the beta desperation to rub your pathetic pecker against that woman. Especially in a blog commentary section.
Avaunt, impious fools. [GM – Registered GregMark]
Matt
Odd, I noticed no such butthurtedness…
He merely (and rightfully) advised her and Mark not to show their asses on the internet in re this matter… because no good can really come of it for them… much as it provides reams of amusement and chagrin for the rest of us.
Of course you didn’t; your kind is always well-lubed.
It’s pathetic how all you wannabe alphas always resort to the homoerotic Cathedral shaming language… did you all go to the same prep school, or is it merely a surfeit of South Park?
You fairy.
Your saying “asses”, “come” and “reams” in the preceding post was the tell.
i’m still lolzozlzlzzozlzozlzollolzing hard over this entire sequence of events.
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-26293.html
i txted some bitch to bring over some jiffy pop and she said they were sold out, wtf??
screw the manosphere, the screeching from the cuntosphere should be epic.
‘manosphere taliban’ oh my god
and I love that already kate’s counterparts are starting to say ‘ugh, she could do better.’
really going to feel bad for mark here soon. there is no way this doesn’t blow up in his face.
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I haven’t been this nonplussed since hearing how Lily shacked up with Brother Nathanael.
Yuck! I like my man with something more to offer besides being a youtube clown presenting conspiracy theorist videos. I am sure you wanna suck his dick though, eh? Be careful, he looks like he hasn’t showered in years.
Conspiracy “theory”? All one has to do is look at the last names of those who control Hollywood, media, banking, finance and law. Epstein, Goldstein, Rothberg, Silverberg, Goldberg, Goldman, Silverman, Ginsburg, Levy, Levine, Spelling, Spielberg, Greenspan, Bernanke, etc etc etc.
The real truth:
Maybe you’re just jealous these men are successful and Js? I mean, it’s upsetting to you losers that Js make money and you’re too stupid to sell lemonade, right? I mean why would you even rag on Silverberg? He’s not in government or banking, and has no real clout. You want to use his services, go for it; you don’t, stay away. He’s not holding a gun to your head, right? He’s just s mart J who made it big for himself, while you hold your dick all day long trying to catch a pussy to stick it into. Just as some of you are bitter over women, you’re bitter over the J too. It’s not hard to see you’re a bunch of losers. That’s why I make fun of men like you and call you white trash red necks. Toothless ones, too.
LOZOZOZLZLZOZOZLZLZL… the ol’ “You’re just jealous” litany from the usual “I’m Not a J!” suspect.
“Conspiracy theorist videos”
Why do so many people pride themselves on being blind fools? I mean stating that the Jewish media happily propagates leftist/feminist/multiculturalist/deviant bullshit is like stating that the sky is blue.
Ach, Lily… even you resorting to the homoerotic Cathedral shaming language?
It’s bad enough you’ve been outed as Cass Sunstein’s minion… don’t let us find out you’re actually a guy, as well.
You dabble in Cass Sunstein these days, eh? Who’s been keeping you abreast, Zombie?
FYI, I’m all woman, honey bunny, but I love lightly dipping in male jargon occasionally (with certain men especially), because it makes for a good visual contrast coming from a girly girl tossing it at a conspiracy-oriented toothless redneck computer jock.
All woman? Yeah, like Roseanna Barr is all woman. LLOZOZLZLZOZZLZLZLZ
You denied you’re a Jew too… but in my experience… if you’re actually a girl…only the trash-mouthed JAPS talk like you.
Nice to see that others have noticed the chink in your armor, bubeleh.
As stated, you’re either a South Park-surfeited guy, running his mouth from the usual suspect basement of Schloss Sunstein…
Or, if actually female, obviously a foul-mouthed Sanhedrin, in the style of your ilk (Sandra Bernhardt, Sarah Silverman, Roseanna Barr, etc.).
” I am sure you wanna suck his dick though, eh? Be careful, he looks like he hasn’t showered in years.”
Lily that’s so mean and uncalled for. Yet you claim to be a girly girl… you might want to check your bad language first… I don’t know about him being unclean.. but with that foul language it certainly seems your mouth is unclean. How horrid.
Wow! I mean to Greg. Trust me, he can handle it, not to mention he thrives on it. Either way, mind your own business, unless you want some directed at you.
bend over
“Either way, mind your own business, unless you want some directed at you.”
You sound like a bulldyke on her period who just got mistaken for a man.
GIrly girl? You have got to be fucking kidding, right?
It doesn’t matter who you meant it to. You are a lady. It’s not nice to talk like that and then in your next comment go on about how you are a girly girl. And also try to tell Femx about modesty. LOL. while your comments seem to contain a lot of rude 4 letter words.
“Either way, mind your own business, unless you want some directed at you.”
Some directed at me? WOW why are you so defensive and aggressive? It’s not nice. Come on now, us ladies must be gentle with each other.. it’s not good to talk like this..
Being so aggressive makes one wonder if there are hormonal imbalances present.
First sentence was: “Wow! I (am) mean to Greg. Trust me, he can handle it, not to mention he thrives on it. ” I forgot to put the am in it. Now, maybe you’ll read it differently.
Now to business. Let’s review the difference between me and Femx. You sound like an idiot who can’t discern if her life was dependent on it.
Femx posts suggestive pics of herself, as well as talks about her lesbianism and fucking an old man for his money. That’s the epitome of immodesty. Then she has the audacity to say she isn’t posting pics of herself for the purpose of hooking up with someone from the Chateau. Most people don’t believe her. However, if she insists it’s true, we’ll take her word for it. We already had this talk with her in the past; it’s nothing new, and not a big deal. This time around, I just added that if she wants to find a husband in real life (as she claims), she needs to stop speaking about her sexuality here while also posting pics of herself, because she could be identified in real life, and a good man might not take her seriously. I was disparaging her behavior, yes, but also telling her to be careful.
In contrast, I don’t write about my sexual exploits, and there are no pics of me on this site so no one can put my face with my remarks. Therefore, I don’t have immodesty issues like Femx has.
In addition, I don’t need an idiot like you who takes this site too seriously to sensor my writings and tell me that using a few bad words is being immodest. Save that for your 10-year old friends.
How cute; you post under Anonymous now.
No my dear. I posted under anonymous by mistake. That was me, I have no problem in admitting it.
Your comment read “Now to business…. blah blah blah” …. boring.. I’m sorry I can’t be bothered to give you a decent reply, I am above it. I understand you to be a little too judgmental and bitter.
BUT can I ask how you claim to be such a lady and using so filthy language in your next comment? And what gives you the right to tell Femx about herself when you don’t exactly seem to be the pillar of morality yourself?
Plus it doesn’t even matter about if Greg can handle it or not. That’s besides the point. What are you gaining out of being mean to people over the internet? Have you got some issues you’d like to talk about?
I’m here for you.. and I mean that without sarcasm, I love reaching out to other women.
“BUT can I ask how you claim to be such a lady and using so filthy language in your next comment? And what gives you the right to tell Femx about herself when you don’t exactly seem to be the pillar of morality yourself?”
I explained to you the difference, didn’t I? To review:
FemX talks about her sexuality, such as her lesbianism and fucking an old man because he’s rich, then she posts suggestive pics of herself. In contrast, I don’t. I like using some bad language, true. That’s not the same as what Femx does. In addition, I never use bad language in real life. I don’t even use it with with my GFs. However, on this site, I like to use such language occasionally. If you don’t like it, just skip my posts.
“I understand you to be a little too judgmental and bitter.”
I’m not bitter at all, but I’m judgmental – that’s true. I hate sluttery. I think it is the main reason that made the western woman un-marriageable. If women closed their legs, they wouldn’t be so disrespected by men. Men disrespect whores; they marry good girls.
They always tell on themselves, given enough time to talk… or in this case, spew.
Some of the other gals around here quickly, and rightly, picked up on how Lily seems to be the only girl (ahem, all woman, llozozozlzlzl) who expresses herself in this manner.
More Tells than a Swiss archery exhibition…. lulz.
Yeah, but that’s all that’s available to broke fat ugly old geeks like you, Lily. Sorry.
“I like my man with something more to offer besides being a youtube clown presenting conspiracy theorist videos.”
So you want your man to have a wild imagination…and look good doing it?
Well honey…not only do I spout conspiracy theories, I also work out, and have the chops to make the ladies believe any theory I throw out there.
All the Jews have is paper money and a media outlet to do their stuff. My riches and dick are much more effective.
“My riches and dick are much more effective.”
Wow! I was worried you didn’t have it in you.
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The fact that the two love birds have continued to maintain a presence on the manosphere in the face of strident criticism strikes me as odd. It seems that witnessing both yourself and your prospective spouse receive such public floggings would be radioactive to the relationship.
I wish them well, even though I know they face long odds. If I were in a position to offer them advice, I would suggest that they gracefully take a sabbatical from our little corner of the world until this soap opera blows over.
LOL. lily even if it was to greg it’s still not nice. it’s not nice to anybody. you are a lady.
some directed at me? why are you so aggressive and defensive? calm down, it’s not good to get so stressed and mean over nothing.
Oops that was me… i didn’t sign in. Sorry for the confusion Lily mou.
The comments on this article are yet another indicator of the decline of this blog. BPD chicks, keyboard jockeys, and betas as far as the eyes can see.
Minter was just a bitter loser in the mating game. His rants against women and marriage were sour grapes. It’s no surprise to me that he changed his tune when he finally got the opportunity to smash something above a 5.
Personally, I think this whole public announcement is attention seeking (on both parts) in a very garish and pathetic way. Why not just pm some people your tight with and just go on like nothing has changed? Anyway, I’m not a total hater. I hope that everybody involved ends up happy.
[CH: Contrary to your assertion, you are a noted and identified regular hater/troll. Naturally you think the blog is “in decline”.
But to your last point, no disagreement there. Best to keep this stuff private. The net is filled with obsessive stalkers and creepos and in-real-life wannabe psychos.]