Making people wait
Show up late. The King does not wait patiently for guests to arrive. The King arrives for meet and greets when guests are assembled in breathless awe. Principle applies equally to throne rooms and bar rooms. Arrivals, replies to questions, decisions to consensus building exercises, request fulfillments — all should be delayed to the point of provoking discomfort in others, but not beyond. People naturally assume the higher status of those who don’t jump when asked.
Not laughing at jokes
The King is not amused. And he is hard to amuse. The King does not suffer unfunny boobs gladly. The King does not care about fortifying social cohesion with insincerity, so he will stare at you expressionless if your joke bombs. He will not fake laugh to make you feel at ease. He will not laugh uproariously if you are a hot girl making a lame joke. You will feel uncomfortable, and this is why you will try harder to impress the King. The King knows this. He luxuriates in your appeasement.
Staring past people
You talk to the King? Impudent plebe! The King hears you, but his attention is elsewhere. Past you. Over you. Through you. Your entreaties are puffery to the King, because he has heard it all before. Your cleverness is dulled. Your insight is clouded. Your conversation is trite. And yet, somehow, despite all evidence to the contrary, the King answers you as if he had been listening intently the whole time. You feel relieved. You like this feeling, so you set about to win the King’s approval again. And again. And again.
Cutting people off
You talk and talk. The King has a thought of his own. It could be a grand thought, or a trivial musing. It doesn’t matter, because it is the King’s thought, and that means the King will cut you off mid-sentence to regale the masses with his wit and wisdom. His voice commands, his self-confidence refuses impugning, his happy entitlement woos crowds. Even you, cast aside and set adrift, find strange succor in the King’s heady leadership.
Disappointing people
The King has so many matters he must tend to. People need and want the King. His presence — nay, his blessing! — is requested at board meetings, parties, events and bedrooms. The King’s plate is full. It is always full. And this fact makes the King smug, even resentful. The King likes to disappoint people. Or, more precisely, he cares not for pleasing people. He knows scarcity is part of the appeal of his brand of authority. His subjects will wait on him, and he will sometimes not show up. And those subjects will be sad. So sad, in fact, that the next time the King *does* show up, their joy will be overflowing.
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You may think these are dickish moves. You would be right! But the alpha cuts his teeth on dickishness. There is no alpha male who is not, at times, dickish. It comes with the territory. And since dickishness is a territorial aspect of alpha maleness, those who mimic it are presumed alpha themselves. And that, my budding alphas, is how you win pussy and influence people.
Alpha Male Power Moves will be a continuing series. Lord knows the incredible shrinking American Beta Male needs the lessons.
Heartise for King!
He’s giving advice for asserting control over weak people with low self-esteem. Consider your response in light of that.
[CH: Keep telling yourself that. It amuses the King.]
Hypothetically, what happens if you want to meet up with another “alpha” (scare quotes because I find the whole dichotomy off-putting) or somebody you actually respect? Is it a competition to see who shows up latest? Is this how you behave with your friends? A man says what he means, he doesn’t make commitments on which he can’t follow through and he certainly doesn’t go out of his way to disappoint people in order to fill some kind of expectation of what high-value is supposed to look like.
In Europe or other places where people aren’t socially retarded people spend time together in order to forge sincere connections, not to joust in a power play. Hierarchical relationships are real and important but living your life like an actor in hopes of giving an appearance of value to strangers is empty and pure decadence, even if in materialistic terms you’re getting everything you desire.
we gotta live one!
Nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure.
“In Europe or other places where people aren’t socially retarded people spend time together in order to forge sincere connections, not to joust in a power play.”
Welcome to America. Why do you think The Game even exists? Americans are obsessed with “power” (a better word is control). Men use Game to prevent women from controlling them, and the only way to do that is to be a selfish, controlling person yourself. And in order to survive socially you have to be an awful person. It’s just the way it is for a lot of people over here. For some people, anyway — the “red states” are better in my personal experience.
this is a tricky one. I think the best way is to look at men who have top notch wives e.g. Orlando Bloom seems like a girl, but has a healthy marriage to Miranda Kerr, a woman most men would try to hit on. Tom Brady and Gisele. Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner etc. There’s gotta be something more in these cases than just “he’s famous” because both husband and wife are on equal footing in terms of social value
@ ArtyB – If you’d really been to Europe, you’d know that power play and game are practiced here, too.
yep. not to mention europeans have a much much longer history of it.
The point of that line was that the USA is the epicenter of social decay. It’s everywhere, just here more.
Exactly. Ever been to Sweden? Same dynamics, just a bit different on the surface.
Cutting people off
You talk and talk. The King has a thought of his own. It could be a grand thought, or a trivial musing. It doesn’t matter, because it is the King’s thought, and that means the King will cut you off mid-sentence to regale the masses with his wit and wisdom.
You try pulling that shit on me and you’ll be lucky if I don’t pick up a chair and crack open your God-damned skull with it.
I’m sitting here getting furious just reading an anonymous internet blogger writing about that ploy in the abstract.
[CH: It’s funny, but as much as internet tough guys say they would smash a dude pulling this maneuver, in real life it rarely goes down like that. Instead, in real life, the alpha male gets away with it. More than gets away with it… people love him for it.]
If anyone could enlighten me…and so I could become better at recognizing the difference between ‘alpha’ and ‘beta,’ is this alpha behavior? (Scene from Harry Met Sally)
To me it comes across as non-reactive and self-amusing. Plus, it seems like he’s just pulling her into his own reality.
I’m sorry I tried to watch but I can’t listen to Billy Crystal.
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Hahaha. Well, it just seems like there are several examples of ‘game’ in the movie:
Harry: When we first met I really didn’t like you that much
Sally: I didn’t like you
Harry: Yeah you did, you were just so uptight then…you’re much softer now.
Sally: (momentarily frazzled) You know, I hate that kind of remark, it sounds like a compliment but really it’s an insult.
Harry: (Shrugs, smirks) Okay, you’re still as hard as nails.
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I mean, that even reads like a pickup routine: ‘when I first met you you seemed like x, but now I realize you’re y.’ He brings it up when she’s getting comfortable and enjoying their rapport, breaking it.
It’s just interesting to me, because the character is pretty much…at first glance…not what anyone thinks of when they think ‘alpha.’
Such a great movie. Irritating, know-it-all alpha game
Ah, the tension.
I looked at your pic and i will rate you an upper 4. I guess you are approaching forty now (the wrinkles!) and might have been a solid 5 when you were younger.This would also explain why you hang out here with us, because you don’t have many suitors in the real world fighting for your time. You certainly get a plus or putting up a photo. What was your SMV results?
What happened man? Why didn’t she respond?
Kate a 4???
She is not even wearing make up and she is quite attractive.
she is also slender, has a very nice figure
the pic of her face is a bit blurry, where do you see wrinkles?
if she is near 40 she looks quite good for a woman that “old”
She is much more than a 4.
According to hotornot I am an 8.6 ( male, 53 years old ) and if I was not hundreds of miles away I would want to meet her.
Oh, was I supposed to respond? I’ve been napping. The elderly need their rest
^^^lol^^^
points for the kick-return
Another fifty-something? Hurray!!! Who knows? We might only be a short swim away
Not that is matters much, but I’m 34, I do have wrinkles, and I am wearing make up in that picture. I don’t wear clown make up. I use Invisible Fluid Makeup by Estee Lauder. I grew up on the beach, so my battle is with sun damage. Three cheers for microdermabrasion!
And you are nuts, or just an entitled fool.
Kate is very attractive, witty, and very funny for a woman.
I am starting to smell troll for some reason.
It might be the testicles
Not white knighting but you need glasses dude.
Alas, Kate is a little too young for me.
When were you born? The Stone Age?
I believe dirt was young when I was born.
That’s funny, because she is definitely far too old for me.
I haven’t watched the original movie, but this clip is very interesting because it summarizes the lessons learned here. Her no-sex “men friends” she refers to after the conversation heats up at 1:10 are really beta orbiters. She is hot enough to know that her beta-orbiter “men friends” surround her because they hope to get only one thing from her: Sex. By calling her on that and refusing to be her “friend,” the guy stands up to her and makes it clear that he is not going to play her game.
lol no, you wouldn’t.
You would go “wh– I– uhh–” and realize everyone is listening to the king and not paying any attention to you whatsoever, making you suddenly feel insignificant while instinctually understanding that if you threw a temper tantrum everyone in your group, and everyone around you, would defend the king as if you were threatening to punch out santa claus, and they’d all tell you to chill out and the girls in your group would call you a bully and not suck your dick because you showed how insecure you are to them by reacting with so much anger…so you would just bite your lip and hold back and, when the king acknowledges you and allows you to join his conversation, you’d get sucked into his frame just like everyone else around him.
That’s just how the dynamics work. I use this to AMOG guys all the time. But enjoy your rage-boner, I am certain you are super tough and scary in real life lol
The question is, what do you do when the other dude then cuts you off? And/or what is a good response when somebody does try to AMOG you this way?
ACT.
Speaking is for women.
And if you’re about to act and realize it isn’t worth it, you may ask yourself “Why do I want anything to do with these cunts?” and say fuck it and split.
And you may ask yourself
Well, HOW DID I GET HERE??
LETTING THE DAYS GO BY, let the water hold me down
LETTING THE DAYS GO BY, water flowing underground
This becomes an “AMOG battle”. It can get pretty ridiculous but it’s fun to me lol
Basically the key is in getting the other person to react more to you than you are to them. Alpha natural type guys subconsciously understand this so a battle with them can be pretty fun and teach you a lot.
It’s funny because its not an aggressive thing like people imagine. It’s all in the sub communications. In fact often when you end up going back and forth with a guy you end up respecting eachother and become buddies.
Here’s some old school knowledge on it cause I gotta go shower last night’s chick off my dick before the cooties set in lol:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60063
“In fact often when you end up going back and forth with a guy you end up respecting eachother and become buddies.”
True. I can think of at least two of my best mates where the friendship started this way. Cool mofos usually end up digging other cool mofos for the same reason women do…they’re entertaining and real.
Also, all this talk about chairs over heads and punches in jaws = LOL. The King already runs the show. One time at a club a dude who was considerably bigger than me once got in my face after he was trying to punk my easy going skinny friend for no reason and I intervened. I stood there smiling at him ready to throw down, and all the sudden 4 bouncers bum-rushed this clown out the door so quick he was gone before I figured out what happened. Why? Because the bouncers know me, like me, and that was the end of that guy. Resorting to violence means you ran out of cool adult moves. You will look like an over-reactive, over-emotional roid ape.
As a former (Voxian) Omega/Gamma (and now low Delta), this is exactly the truth. I was like that, complete with threats of violence!
‘You try pulling that shit on me and you’ll be lucky if I don’t pick up a chair and crack open your God-damned skull with it.’
I interrupt people a lot these days. This never happens.
It never happens because most people are afraid of the consequences, afraid to hurt another person, afraid of crossing that line, hitting someone because you WANT to hit a person, not because he or she really did something that warrants it.
However, responding with a swift punch to the jaw is absolutely an acceptable response to this behavior, in the world of men.
Only in woman world do you behave like a passive aggressive cunt.
Fear is real power. Violence is real power. It’s how a lowlife Hispanic druglord gets a sexy beauty queen roped into his world.
When in the company of “friends”, knock out the next douche who behaves like a douchebag cunt. Then when the rest of the men present complain, challenge them.
They’ll all back down and the cunt will know who not to fuck with.
If you bitch about it and cry and get pissed off before hand, then you’re acting like a beta bitch.
Women emote. Men act.
Speak with intention. Act with intention. And never assume you can mock someone openly.
beta cannon fodder moves.
I watch you fight each other at a club for “king of the best-case-5′s” and laugh like a Democrat (retardedly)
and I bet 10 bucks you are ex.mil too.
beta fodder, cannon fodder
That’s because “ZombieShane” would do nothing of the sort. It’s the internet, talk is cheap.
[CH: It’s funny, but as much as internet tough guys say they would smash a dude pulling this maneuver, in real life it rarely goes down like that. Instead, in real life, the alpha male gets away with it. More than gets away with it… people love him for it.]
I believe it depends on the environment in which these tactics are being used. They would only work in a faggot office environment or in your social life where you’re just kicking back, or THINK you’re kicking back, not realizing that’s where all the women are doing their real work, not noticing the jerkoffs trying to control the situation and getting all the stupid pussy in the room.
I guess since I work in construction where everyone is a bit hot headed and testosterone fueled already, no one hesitates to tell the other guy to shut the fuck up. The only person who would do any of this with impunity is the foreman and only to an extent because he knows everyone’s tired, pissed off and ready to murder someone by lunchtime.
You’ll find many construction workers are extremely polite at work for these reasons.
It’s a different world. One is the physical and the other is the mental. Office workers, all non labor intensive workers, exist in the bullshit rhetoric illusion of the mental world. It’s nonsense and they’re living a lie most of the time and that’s really the only place these power moves would work without you getting pummeled.
If you do it in your family’s house your dad is going to rain fire down upon you, if you still have one, or your mother will nag you to death, etc.
No one’s an Alpha all the time. If you try to be, prepare to be pummeled or written off by people you formerly were close to.
There’s Alpha, the true leader, and then there’s the Jerkoff who’s tolerated because no one gives a shit enough. Let’s not be too broad with the terminology here.
I party with construction guys, rednecks, MMA fighters (some of them are a combo of all 3), etc. Guys way tougher and manlier and physical than me.
You are an idiot and insecure and the more you talk big the more you would choke in real life. Because the reason you talk big is that you’re scared of being judged as a pussy even on an Internet forum by people you don’t know, and that fear of other people’s judgement of you is exactly the psyche mechanism that will stop you from taking a swing. Except in that case it’ll be the fear of everyone thinking you’re a raging douchebag because everyone ELSE loves the king except you so they all side with him…it’s a very frustrating powerless position for you to be in which is why it pisses you off to even think about it in your head…and that’s why it works as an AMOG tactic.
This is kind of a complex tool, you won’t be able to understand it in your keyboard rage because you’re too emotionally invested and reactive to objectively sit back and piece together what I’m saying lol but no one reacts the way you picture yourself reacting in your head.
There’s a reason no one has actually taken a swing at me in like 8 years of pickup. That’s not luck or I’d buy lottery tickets lol. Handling guys like you is a skillset a person can consciously learn. (I’m not doing it right now because I don’t give a shit lol)
I’m not trying to be a dick (well maybe lol), I’m just explaining how this shit works out in the real world. Also a lot of guys are retarded and uncalibrated and DO get their asses kicked but that comes down to logic, common sense, and experience. You can always pinpoint where it went haywire and the guy tripped himself up and deserved to get punched. That’s why we recommend befriending guys instead of viewing them as obstacles/enemies.
I think what you’re also getting at is that in the real world, it’s better to take the swing (and the possible beating at the end) than to be an all-talk-mangina.
yea don’t make threats they are dumb just do what you got to do in the situation
last two dudes though i wanted to kind of fight had weapons though
knife and hammer
so i kind of was waiting for them to make the first move
other time being like 9 dudes again waiting for them to make a move
another time 3 dudes i had a knife
but yea nobody really crossed the line
so yea i didn’t have to go into survival mode
other than massive club fight and nobody touched me i just picked up some marshmellows off each other
really in my life the only ones with the balls to fight me 1 on 1 was back in catholic school lol
allthough last weekend i think dude was talkin shit at club and walked away so i walked up to him and his two friends and was like what
he was like i’m just stupid dude tried to give me a fist bump so how could i be mad he he he
people don’t cross the line with me it just doesn’t happen
got to say i wanted the dude to talk shit so i could get in a fight last week so i could feel like a man or some shit no dice
i don’t start shit either so there is that
I agree. In fact I have a broken hand and loose tooth from Saturday night. Best to just hit without threatening.
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‘And yet, somehow, despite all evidence to the contrary, the King answers you as if he had been listening intently the whole time. You feel relieved. You like this feeling, so you set about to win the King’s approval again. And again. And again.’
That’s exactly how I feel when talking to CH. He ignores me for a month or two and my heart is aching really badly and then he replys again to my comment and I forgive him everything in a second.
[CH: Speaking of… my one second attention reward is overdue, so….. hi, there!]
‘His subjects will wait on him, and he will sometimes not show up. And those subjects will be sad. So sad, in fact, that the next time the King *does* show up, their joy will be overflowing.’
Exactly! How do you know so well how I feel?
I love you CH, whoever you are!
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What an embarassment…it’s time to drop the sockpuppet, CH.
Are you really a virgin? You should try and bed the author of this blog. Srsly. Go lose weight or do whatever you have to do to be pretty. Most of us in the world never get the opportunity to lose our virginity to the one we admired from afar for years on end. Sadly I never had the chance to make love to prince Eric of Disney’s The Little Mermaid or Pierce Brosnon of Remington Steele. Most (all) of the guys on this board never got the chick that looked like Aria Giovanni that they dreamed of in their formative years. But you actually have some level of interaction with the one you idealize. That’s why you should go for it. Do it for all of us losers that couldn’t save our virginity for the one we dreamed of.
ugly
shrugs. If you say so. Yet somehow I can’t say I’ve lived the life of an ugly girl.
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Oops, nevermind, wrong bitch. XD
you have lived the life of mr potato head with a face like that
I took a new picture just now. Better?
feminists are god damn ugly.. nothing to see here
Nice body. Show more.
yea can’t even hate. Your body is nice Fem.
Agreed. Better than the face pic.
THE Fem-X?
Your T level could almost be measured from your comments. I surmise you’re one of those high-T women who always smells a bit sweaty. Never smells like a girl.
I surmise you’re one of those low-T men who always smells a bit rancid. Never smells like a man.
I’m joking Arronski, but you really shouldn’t say or write comments like this. If a girl’s T is too high or too low, this is usually not her fault.
“[CH: Speaking of… my one second attention reward is overdue, so….. hi, there!]”
Hi, CH! How are you doing?
Hmmm….understandable. It might work on some women but it is also instruction on how to be a seemingly, self centered asshole.
Women are attracted to self-centered assholes (even if they don’t like that fact) and men are intimidated by them. There’s worse ways to go through life.
but it is also instruction on how to be a seemingly, self centered asshole.
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or a nigger.
Everything listed are things we all hate about black people.
Matter of fact, Obama got elected by doing the exact opposite of all those things.
White people are getting it twisted.
(((shakin my head)))
Is this advice applicable in the office? I’d use it on my subordinates, but it would cause disharmony a,ingest my peers.
I wouldn’t think so. These are for how you treat females you want to fuck, not men at the office who you should treat with dignity(even if, like most people, they don’t deserve it) At the office as in life other men love to tear you down. They don’t want to be friends with the “king.”
You can’t treat colleagues this way unless you are making a blatant power play to become their superior. Underlings though? Sure. If you couple this sort of stuff with affirmation for good work it works great. Watch Don Draper’s behavior at the office in Mad Men for an example.
Sorry. There was a study here a short while ago that said that disagreeable men do better at the workplace than agreeable ones.
It depends on the productivity of the person and the vibe of the firm/office, If it is a big law/financial firm where the only goal is making profit, then yes, self centred a$$holeish men who produce great results fair better and even more liked/respected in a hate to love you way. If it is one of those smaller places though….ymmv.
The problem with this in the office is that depending on the shop, you keep the dicks in Sales; and you can only afford 1 narcissist per department.
Anything that needs creativity, invention, or watchmaker-like mastery of detail usually gets handled by the smart guys. And insecure assholes narcotizing themselves with the public-masturbation of gamesmanship does not magically transmogrify them into Linus Torvalds. It just ruins productivity and team-spirit.
And depending on the boss, can be a pretty quick ticket to getting fired. Especially if the boss is smarter than all of you; or if you decide to AMOG his pal/nephew.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
-Or: Useful-idiots will believe The Emperor has new clothes only until he AMOGs a serial-killer.
As William Ury might say, “The ‘Alpha’s’ Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement is ego and near-zero need for external validation, the other guy’s BATNA is, ‘Why so serious?’ ”
The King is Dead! Long Live The King!
Maybe so with men, but when dealing with women in the workplace, game is not only handy, but essential.
Yes. These behaviors will help in the office if used at the appropriate moments. Mixing assholish behavior with praise heightens the value of the praise. People will work harder for the praise. Contrast is king.
Being assholish too much and/or in non-appropriate situations will get you tagged as an idiot though. It’s all about calibration.
On the few occasions people have stared past me when I was speaking to them, first I looked where they were looking to see what was so interesting. Is somebody on fire out there? Somebody being arrested? Or at least somebody in a funny hat?
If no funny hats were forthcoming, I assumed that either I was boring them or that I was dealing with an Aspie who was very uncomfortable in my presence, and politely excused myself from the conversation.
Being around someone who refuses to meet your gaze is very uncomfortable for us non-spergs, and not in a “Wow, he’s so mysterious and interesting, I must get to know him better!” way.
I, and most people in the south, take it to mean the listener is being submissive, not dominant.
Yes, I agree with this. People who will not look me in the eye are people who I don’t trust.
This. I find intense sustained gaze to be a more dominant trait. Just look at animal world for instance, the dominant alpha is the one who maintains the longest unwavering gaze and the submissive ends up looking away.
think: intense gaze for the first 5 min followed by staring past you when what you say bores me.
read: your value isn’t coming from whatever incomplete demonstration of partial knowledge you are regaling me with.
This is for me exactly how I set the frame with anyone.
I focus on the right eye, which works for me. I look away as necessary once there’s been that initial lasering.
∞
@ PetiteOlive – He’s note advocating looking away in a submissive way.
Exactly, if a man won’t meet my gaze I always think less of him.
It’s funny you should put it that way, because three (or maybe four) out of these five items are exactly how someone with Asberger’s would behave.
That’s because those people didn’t embody the alpha characteristics that you find so appealing. They were zombie listeners, preoccupied with some banality and simply couldn’t be bothered to acknowledge you with their eyes. They stare past you as if frantically searching for the nearest exit. They may mutter a few pleasantries before abruptly ending the conversation, and leaving in hastened, beta steps.
The alpha, on the other hand, will also stare past you but his modus operandi will greatly differ from your typical zombie listener. He appears to ignore you in his cocky way, when in actuality, he is thoroughly analyzing your words without showing the slightest sign that he is doing so. When he graces you with his reply, you are taken aback by its lucidity because you erroneously assumed he paid you no mind. He delivers his answer with a cocksure attitude that resonates from his alpha body language, and you gauge his speech to be meaningful and authoritative. You can’t help but crack a small smile because he has tacitly demonstrated his higher value to you. Cue ‘gina tingles.
No, not really. I don’t like being interrupted continually either. Nor being made to wait. Sure, sometimes people get stuck in traffic and sometimes they misread verbal cues and think their interlocutor is done talking when he is not, but a person who does those things *habitually* is demonstrating a rudeness and entitlement that I find very off-putting. Nor am I alone in this–men and women alike dislike being treated in this fashion.
The King gets away with rudeness and entitlement *because* he is the King; because for whatever economic or social reason others have no choice but to tolerate his behavior. He doesn’t become the King by being rude and entitled.
Of course you’re not alone in feeling a disdain for rudeness and undue entitlement from others. This feeling stems from your belief that these rude and entitled people are undeserving of their off-putting behaviour because they are either of the same or a lower social class than you. Take a waitress at a greasy spoon, for example. If the bitch gives you a whole lotta ‘tude, doesn’t loom you in the eye and makes you wait a long time for your order to arrive, you’re going to hate her for it. It could even be a co-worker who is considered your equal, and reports to the same boss as you. When he fails to meet your gaze and frequently interrupts you in mid-sentence, you’re going to interpret his behavior as very off-putting.
You’re right about the people tolerating the King’s rudeness and entitlement because of his elevated socio-economic status. Regardless of whether the throne was inherited through lineage or violent overthrow, the King did not become a powerful figure by appearing modest and meek. He had to stake his claim as a superior man among the horde of plebes, and thus, distinguished himself through warranted arrogance and righteous entitlement. Actions speak louder than words, and it is precisely through acts of social dominance that he exacts his respect from his subjects. In other words, to move up you have to push someone down. Not necessarily in a literal sense, but in the deeply cutting pyschosocial sense which subconsciously reigns over you.
Good comment, but mostly I wanted to tip the hat to your handle. The peacocky exaggeration makes me laugh.
beta bait
You quite right. None of these little omegas in their Kenneth Cole square toed elevator shoes is going to get to be King just because they behave like a rude little twit.
Whoever wrote this post should start writing for a living. It’s so beautiful.
OIC
Act like a shitty lawyer. Got it.
Basically be like Saul Goodman, but not like a whiny bitch.
“Making people wait”
I had a chick use that ploy on me recently. She deliberately showed up 15 minutes late. If the girl is using a ploy from the get go it flags her as a person to be avoided. It’s always a bad sign when someone is using a ploy and it makes me not trust them.
she won dumbass.
Wait 5 and jet. Make her chase.
Freaking amatuers.
I don’t see how she won. Winning, for women is getting into a relationship with a man they find attractive and admirable. Presumably, she found Levon attractive or she wouldn’t have gone out with him, but her behavior has run him off (I assume).
he presumable stuck around and counted minuites. beta bait.
If waiting the 15 was a mistake, could you salvage it thusly?:
See her walk in, give her the upbeat-yet-sarcastic, Patented Bruce-Willis-Smirk, finish your drink, put the glass down, say, “You’re late.”,
and then stroll out of there with a boss-but-fun attitude, like Frank Sinatra strolling downtown to hook up with some bombshell actress?
Ie: not butthurt at all but: Oops, I must have forgotten something! Ok, cool story, bro! -laters! -type of vibe?
+Maybe even do YaReally’s “Soft Next” after, also?
-or would all of this be too late at that point?
I agree with a lot of the post, but use it in a much toned down manner. As for the eye contact, I hold it long enough for them to look away, and I am never stone-faced. I have been told my gaze can be piercing at times and I use it to my advantage.
Instead of the king, I equate it more to being a superior raptor like an eagle. You know you are the baddest ass in the forest, but you don’t squawk about it like some beta pigeon would with ruffled feathers.
I guess the moderating of it comes with age and wisdom, because the hard game doesn’t always work, especially if you run up against an unentitled female that interests you.
Keep the faith CH… (thumbs up)
@Mike: The Brits have a saying: “Lions don’t need to roar.”
Michael Caine once made an astute observation viz. acting as an upper class character, saying that people with power speak slowly; people without power speak quickly. This is very true.
I would add that it can be very effective to speak relatively softly, since it forces the listener to shut up and pay attention/listen intently to what you are saying.
In keeping with one of the “lady lessons” I’ve imparted to my daughter: “A lady never yells.”
Exuding confidence in whatever you do goes miles towards attracting women. Having an inner calm that shows you know what you are doing and have experience, even if you don’t know exactly, is prime alpha without being an a$$ hole.
Making people wait is OK within reason. Fashionably late is OK, late enough so that people start forming a clique against you, is not.
Not laughing at some wannabe alpha’s jokes, are about the easiest way to knock him off his self appointed pedestal. Most of the time, betas and women will laugh any uttering, no matter how pointless, from the one they perceive as the alpha of the group. Even something as banal as him saying aaaaah! If you don’t even recognize that he said something, you will notice he will start looking nervously over at you next time he tries to be funny. Congrats, you have flipped the script, and upstaged him.
Starring most people is another one of those “in moderation.” At some point it crosses the line to outright weirdness. But nothing is more offputting that someone who seems to want t crawl under your skin with the all encompassing dedication of his attention paying.
Cutting people off works short term. Unless your authority derives from somewhere else; like job title or you genuinely have more important things to say than other people; people will simply start routing around you over time. But in a one night bar setting, it is golden. A good defense would be to call the offender out about his lack of manners; then counter his reply with somethhing along along the lines of “some of us have mothers that taught us manners..” With a condescending smile, of course.
Again, disappointing people is a very short term strategy, unless you have externally derived authority. If a bum holds out his hand, but withdraws it as you are about t hand him a dime, you just move on past him.
IF you have externally derived authority, say you are the boss and want to boink your subordinates, all of the above are golden. But if you are not, I doubt disappointing he who are, or cutting him off, or making him wait is a long term winning strategy. Unless he is very much aware that he is nothing without you, and is basically a ceremonial figure, at least.
Hmm…
“Making people wait”? I tend to be Prussian punctual. Perhaps I shouldn’t be.
“Not laughing at jokes”? Yeah, I should definitely work on that. I’m the one who laughs when nobody else does, even though lame jokes don’t appeal to me anymore.
“Staring past people”? I’m a natural at this, but not when it comes to attractive women. Been working on doing so for hotties too. Getting there.
“Cutting people off”? I got this one down, actually.
“Disappointing people”? Not many opportunities for this, at least not yet.
The king strikes an asshole pose because it will give him the attention he craves while within he is still a vacuous child.
This comment is just begging for a Heartiste edit.
The nigger strikes an asshole pose because it will give him the attention he craves while within he is still a vacuous subhuman.
What is your opinion on doing whatever the hell I want…whether it is the Alpha thing to do? I can’t think of any examples, but I do things and pay no attention as to what it conveys. I do them because I have deemed them necessary.
As for someone arriving late, if you are late, you are not allowed to participate.
“http://hel-looks.com/20130302_02/
@hearteste: @rooshv Tough one. Classic butterface. Btw, I know a dude who has visited every Euro country, and he says Romanian girls are the hottest.”
If you consider that a butterface, te salut Don Corleone.
Yuck. A five-head on a deformed skull that looks like the doctor had to clamp down on her noggin with the jaws of life to pull her from we mother’s womb.
I know! and did you see those pointy elbows?
My lord, art thou holding court in the power mad DC? I wonder if here in Bible Belt urbanism, and most places, the courtesan skins are much thinner. I find that even hot women–7 or 8 by your lofty standards my liege, and I don’t find higher in these lands–need some reflecting validation off my countenance or any burgeoning attraction dies. I am not a rock star, financial star, etc, just a student of acting who wishes to win consolidations in those areas. Yet, even if I were with such obvious successes, I still think these ladies would need affirmation. I have erred on the negging or aloof side far more than the validating side. Perhaps it is a matter of maintenance more than initiation, to be so aloof. But could it be, the ruthless bitchiness of DC?
You get extra leeway with being late in DC because the traffic is so ridiculously, unpredictably awful…and because there is a ban on texting/using a handheld cell phone while driving. So you can be running late with no real way to let people know.
But the rest of it? If you get away with it, it’s only because you are in a position of serious power already. And even then…I’ve met a few people who would qualify as “powerful,” and the vast majority of them are polite, even engaging.
Interesting field report info, @RP. Maybe ’tis better to comport oneself as a politician rather than a king, though overlap is not precluded. In the substance of what one does, covertly looking out for number 1 as a king is no doubt the right thing since in decline the observing of outward convention is a guarantee of being wronged. In oligarchic democracy slime-kings rule. Con-kings, maybe? I recommend 48 Laws of Power.
[CH: The key to making these alpha male power moves work for you is judiciousness. You don’t want to be dickish all the time. Only some of the time.]
The show House of Cards is a good illustration of this. The (likely gay) Kevin Spacey does a fantastic job of playing a super-alpha senior Congressman, who vacillates rapidly between southern gentleman charmer and ruthless alpha.
In one circumstance (or moment) the character is all smiles and glad hands, in the next he is making aggressive power plays.
My favorite exchange between the main character and a 30-years younger reporter he seduces
Francis: Do you have a man who cares for you? An older man.
Zoe: No.
Francis: But you’ve been with older men before.
Zoe: Yes.
Francis: Then you know they hurt you. And after they hurt you, they discard you.
Then he bangs her. And, scene.
[CH: House of Cards… fine show. The writing in it… very familiar. The ideas and the quips and the camera-facing narrative remind me of an… old friend… from back in the day.]
There’s nothing “likely” about Kevin Spacey’s gayness. Spacey is a gay man. He is also a master impersonator, which in this world is not a “nice-to-have” but an absolute requirement for a gay man.
Spacey moved to the UK and was for years found by the local papers to be “walking his dog in the park” late at night…. mmyeah.
Playing a straight man, he is perhaps more forceful because he is playing the role as a character. Again, he’s a phenomenal impersonator.
P.S. I read a fun discussion about that show the other day and how it was innately silly… lemme find that…. here. http://reason.com/archives/2013/03/05/dc-is-capital-of-the-absurd
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CH, this would seem to contradict Dog Training 101, no?
Be consistent in punishment, and inconsistent in reward. This is what I do, at least, but I am a student, not a master.
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[CH: These power moves aren’t about reacting to a woman’s behavior, good or bad. They are general purpose lifestyle attitudes that are neither punishing nor rewarding. What they are is status enhancing.]
10-4, 5×5.
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“I feel [dickish]
Oh so [dickish]
I feel [dickish] and witty and gay
And I pity
Any girl who isn’t me today..”
New batteries arrive for the vibrator, Kate?
No, silly. I do not own a B.O.B.
O/T but I find this discussion to be aptly titled “Unhappy feminist is unhappy, unfeminine.”
http://www.althouse.blogspot.com/2013/03/seems-like-lot-of-twentysomething-women.html
Maybe belongs in the modern world making you crazy category, but Althouse correctly observes that male biz success is centered mostly (90%) on getting bitches while 10% of men are just that gay to be successful on its own merits.
But feminists have career above everything as the goal for women, so it’s no wonder that women aren’t being served by feminism. Especially when the secret comes out that biz success will not equal mating opportunities for the ladies like similar success would for a man.
I hope this is supposed to be for how to treat women because if it’s how to generally conduct yourself results will be disappointing. Sure be an asshole to women but act like that around OTHER ALPHAS and see how long they will put up with your shit.
Even Tom Leykis suggests being cool to other guys.
Tom Leykis is the man
I would be very interested in a field report from Denmark. I do all of these things. Instinctively. It doesn’t work.
i live in denmark too, and it works fine for me, but as walawala writes further down in the thread, you need to be perceived as high value for it to work.
I find being late completely beta, but then again I’m a control freak and think a real man should be in total control of his world.
The rest are solid, but are just the end result of improving yourself in other ways, in ways that can’t be faked until made.
[CH: Wrong. They can be faked, and if faked long enough will be made. See the archives for “power pose study”. Revisiting this theme is getting tiresome, so any future trollish comments along these lines will be banned.]
But if it does and it gets you tail, good on ya.
[Fake it till you create it. That is the practical essence of game.]
Dissent is trolling? You’re drunk with power, sir.
[CH: I’ll have another barkeep.]
I’ll agree with the body language things, but you can’t fake being too busy to attend to everybody’s whims without busting your hump and making a success of yourself.
[Sure you can. Just ignore them for a bit.]
But I see your point. As I slowly move up the professional world, it has been dawning on me that most people, even the high up elites with power and money, have no fucking clue what they are doing. People who have been in a field for 30 years are still lost half the time. Essentially, they are faking it until they learn. It’s amazing how much is still accomplished though. I guess that’s just what they call risk taking.
[Faking it till you make it is also a good way to actually do something besides yak. At least faking requires a concentrated effort.
In print, these dickish moves seem like they would be off-putting to normal people, but in the field, I have seen it happen too often where some dickhead looks around bored when someone’s talking to him, or shows up late like everyone was waiting for him, and people still love bim for it, to believe any longer in the myth that alpha male dickery is self-evidently anti-social.]
I am consistently 5 to 10 minutes late for everything in my life, and assume people will wait. Punctuality, to paraphrase Leona Helmsley, is for little people.
And yes, people do in fact love me nonetheless, both personally and professionally. Maybe BECAUSE of this.
P.S. The “looking around bored” move only becomes alpha if you interrupt the loggorhea and inject the conversation with something substantial. If you don’t add any value yourself, then yes, you’re just a dickhead.
I would say making her wait 5 to 10 minutes, in a public location, is about right. You can get make her wait a little longer, if she’s at home. Any more than that, and it starts to be inconsiderate. Also, no apologies or explanations for it, all she gets is a shrug if she says anything.
Jason
I am consistently 5 to 10 minutes late for everything in my life,
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Black people are notorious for being late. If you are a white person, next time you see a black person, ask them what “CP time” is;
(make sure you duck)
Heh. In SEA we use, “American time”
Yeah, I was dating a black girl a while back whose initials were CT. I loved negging her about “CT time”. She was always an hour late, every time.
Me: 10 minutes late, max.
Down in South America they call punctuality “horas ingles”.
re: http://hel-looks.com/20130302_02/
She has the face of a lipsticked potato but the hair is nice. Reasonable legs but I worry about a doughy flat butt. Clenching her hand with all the grim tension of the born cutter.
That said, the 17 year old grip must be like running butter.
How about a post explaining how to respond to those tactics without going nuclear?
Sometimes nuclear is appropriate. If someone habitually cuts you off you need to lay some foundational rules. Straight up call them out on it. I’ve found no one likes to be told they’re rude outright.
The “nuclear” I’m describing is more along the lines of giving a cockblocker an atomic wedgie.
Thank you though. I know that a lot of people refrain from calling others out on bad behavior. I’d like to know more about how to do that in a more subtle, non-bitter, outcome independent manner. I think that my set would be dead if I tell her friend to shut up while adults are talking.
Might just be a problem for me as I’ve been described as “intimidating” (I don’t see it) and my body language is often commented on.
Another equally powerful way to dominate is to ALWAYS be on time and start on time. People are still left reacting to your moves.
For more on this check out:
Power- Korda
48 Laws of Power – Greene
Winning Through Intimidation – Ringer
Exactly.
The Steve Jobs biography describes an occasion where the CEO of an Apple partner decided to show up late to a meeting between his team and Jobs’ team to “show Jobs who’s boss.” Jobs didn’t wait. He started the meeting on time and took control of the meeting through force of personality. By the time the CEO showed up things were running on Jobs’ agenda. The CEO was forced to acknowledge Jobs’ alpha and take a backseat.
Follow that example if someone pulls this on you.
Yeah, I find the “show up late” thing annoying and juvenile. On any customer call I make, I tell anyone that is coming with me, “on time is late”. And I am pretty brutal about it. This is about money, people. And respect.
On the social side, I used to run a pretty large group of boys and girls in NYC. They all had the message right quick – show up on time or lose out. No need for enforcement – compliance was expected and it happened or they were dropped from the call list. Whilst this wasn’t about money, it definitely was about respect.
Jobs was a real Alpha in my book. Perhaps he was actually a Sigma that learned to rule over other men. However it happened, he is missed.
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“Another equally powerful way to dominate is to ALWAYS be on time and start on time. People are still left reacting to your moves. ”
Agreed. And the Quiet Professional frame actually intimidates fuck ups who know they are fuck ups, which is many people, bien sur. My superiors know that I perform at full throttle, don’t dick around playing games, and perhaps more importantly, don’t suffer fools gladly, and I am de facto their peer in many respects. I find my actual peers tend to defer to me without me having to be a dick about it with them, but like most things, it doesn’t hurt to have the dickish arrows in your quiver for prudent deployment.
The key is among the tech crowd, Jobs was an comparative Alpha.
If he wasn’t already in control, his attempts would have backfired.
I’m sure that Jobs also pulled off the “show up late” routine countless times.
Hmmm the guy that came to my mind who does most of these things is a douchebag at work who just pisses people off in doing these things more than anything. Kisses the right ass to get what he wants. It’s funny he doesn’t try dickish moves on chicks though. Hence probably why his GF is a gratingly sarcastic 6.
I once got so pissed at his cutting me off I yelled in rage EXCUSE ME DON’T CUT ME OFF IT’S RUDE. In front of the office. He hasn’t cut me off since. Don’t tolerate dickishness yourself. Leave it to the ladies to lap that shit up.
DOMINATE! Keep pushing to see where the boundaries are. Becoming outcome independant helps. When you simply dont give a fuck, all the manuvers CH is kicking to you will work.
And why should you care how the interaction goes? You think Saddam gave a shit when some arab sheik came to see him?
Imbrace your inner Hussein!!!
Drop chemical warfare on the situation, fart right in the middle of the conservation then smirk and walk off. Fuck it. Who gives a shit?
The only bad thing as far as I can see with any of this game shit, is the more success you have w/ women the less you will respect them. Depending on how beta you were when CH found you will ultimately determine how much of your soul will be cut out.
No one said freeing you from the lies wouldnt hurt.
He looked a little nervous before he was hung.
I didnt think so. In fact I think he told one of the hangmen to go fuck themselves.
Saddam died like a man. That cannot be taken away from him. He sneered at the masked mob that killed him. He walked to take gallows like he was still in command. They cringed from him even as they killed him. It was a noble sight.
“He looked a little nervous before he was hung.”
That’s because he wasn’t a well-hung kind of guy!
Hanged, Kate, Hanged!
White men wanna be “hung like neegers”; neegers get HANGED.
Get it?
Oh dear. lol
I think it should be said you have to understand basic core principles of game before you use these moves. Without charm, escalation and rapport you’ll just be seen as a useless omega.
“All aloof, all the time makes Juan a dull boy.“
Sounds like the person I used to be. It comes almost like a second nature to me, who think everyone is wrong. Then I realise I was isolating myself from my friends, my family (except my father, who’s pretty much just like me), and my then girlfriend. The tactic is effective to impress, even assert immediate leadership to strangers but do the exact reverse to people close to me. Switching between different facades, the King, the Joker, the NiceGuy, the Lawyer, the Abuser, the Hero, etc.. works Sticking to one or two, like Alpha, or Beta, will no achieve any long term goal.
The Prince is way better than the king at manipulating people’s emotions
So what do you do if someone pulls these moves on you? Fight ‘em?
[CH: Love ’em.]
Pick at every single statement of them with an argument. Kings hate to lose argument and lose his cool and temper very quickly if he does. The trick is to be slimy, sarcastic and non-committing. Make them look bad by making mistakes and contradicting themselves. Of course, a King can also play this game pretty well if he caught on, but since he already babble a lot about himself, he’s at an disadvantage. When he opened his mouth to try to cut you off, yell back “Let me finish first. Show some civility”
However, a smart King will just ignore you if you talked to him directly, so point out his flaw to the other people he was talking to. If it’s 1-on-1, just leave.
Other tactics like “making people wait” and “showing up late” are just childish, not a King’s move. Point out his lateness, and criticize his lack of time management. Always bring it up in later dates/meetings.
You sound like a catty woman.
*king
All they have to do to neutralize all the shit you said is turn it around on you with a cold-read that puts you on the defensive and makes you qualify yourself.
“Pick at every single statement of them with an argument.”
They calmly say “You’re very argumentative.” and stare at you. Or if you’re with a group they can add on some social pressure by asking them “Is he always like this? lol”
“The trick is to be slimy, sarcastic and non-committing.”
Same deal. “You’re very sarcastic. It’s okay man, you don’t have to be all hostile ‘n shit with me lol you seem like a nice dude.
”
“Make them look bad by making mistakes and contradicting themselves.”
Frame control here. “You just contradicted yourself.” “lol I guess. (shrug) So anyway…” “No but you said this then this” “Dude, relax lol Why are you so hostile? It’s cool man, we’re all friends here.
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“When he opened his mouth to try to cut you off, yell back “Let me finish first. Show some civility””
lol…a simple “wow lol You’re kind of high-strung today hey? It’s cool man, tell us your story.” (now it’s an order and you’re telling it on his terms, not yours, he’s giving you permission to tell it so if you tell it you’re following his order which makes you lower value, and if you don’t tell it, you’re frustrated and seem weird because a second ago you wanted to tell it…he just usurps your leadership).
“so point out his flaw to the other people he was talking to.”
Doesn’t work when the other people like him and see him as high-value. You will just look like a petty drama queen. If they ever mention it to him he just blows it off with a “wow, that’s weird, they never said that to me. I wonder why hd is so hostile…he seems like a nice dude to me, I don’t know why he wouldn’t just let me know he has a problem with me. Thanks for letting me know, but hey I guess you can’t please everyone hey? lol”
“Point out his lateness, and criticize his lack of time management.”
Same deal as the start. “wow lol I didn’t realize you take showing up to a bar so seriously man. Relax dude, it’s a fun night you don’t have to be all high-strung. I had to take a huge shit lol So anyway…”
“Always bring it up in later dates/meetings.”
Again “lol are you still bringing that up? That’s weird, man. It’s cool that you’re so organized and on time but I don’t know why you’re so on my case about it. Relax dude, it’s not a big deal, life is short ya know? Why get yourself all worked up over something so small?
So anyway…”
Easy shit.
Oh and King tends to fall into delusion of grandeur. Exploit that; he might even scream out in frustration: “I AM KING”.
Play the King sometimes. It’s fun, and a great way to lead the conversation. when you see a cute girl who’s not very interesting in conversation, practice the King. A good King will even mix the King persona with the Friend/Listener persona to entice other people to talk about HIS topic, thus mitigate the King’s major flaw, that is talking too much about himself.
The phony alpha thing is getting annoying. There is a big difference between a true alpha (funny, smart, cool, and makes his beta male friends feel and act awesome) and these phony alphas who have no close friends, exaggerate how often they get laid, and are basically just spoiled brats.
Look at how CH acts, not just what he says: he is funny as hell and tolerant of all the douchey commenters on here. He states strong opinions (getting the party started), but he does not really believe them. Funny, tolerant of beta shenanigans, and party-starting. That’s alpha.
very well put. It’s really all about calibration.
Nah, funny, smart, cool, having strong opinions, creating a crowd isn’t alpha. If that’s the case, tons of females would be alpha, and that’s not going to work.
Having big dick is alpha.
No.
you must have small dick, eh?
It all boils down to looking out for number one which is myself and God. Simple Machiavellian and Art of War 101.
Me Inc. exists to serve myself and run by myself.
Since the USA is…
Capitalism = Individualist / Masculine = Personal Goal Fulfillment = Happiness
Communism = Collectivist / Feminine = Personal Goal Compromised = Disillusion & Despair
No wonder so many Americans and married fools are miserable. Misery loves company and seeks to recruit everyone. When people lose hope and incentive why bother being productive?
Additionally, the King rarely apologizes or carry any guilt because it’s the incompetence of his subjects that lead to his error in judgement. He also has high standards and doesn’t give second chances because he has options and the courage and esteem to stand up for himself.
One thing I’ve noticed in group environments, is when the obvious omega socially awkward type says something all try hard, you know what I’m talking about, when everyone looks away and pretends they didn’t hear him. If you engage him in a authentic and gregarious manner, it’s a quick way to raise your status in a group. Sometimes I’ll laugh at an obvious unfunny some omega says, just to throw the rest of the wincing crowd for a loop. The King enjoys being generous. True generosity is giving when you know you don’t have too.
Meh, usually the King of this crowd is the gamma of another crowd. That’s because Kings fight each other until one of them becomes gamma, or they’re both gay for each other.
Yup. A lot of guys I meet are either socially awkward nerd types, or at a club they’re guys who seem a little awkward but are mainly just extremely intimidated by the chaos of the club environment.
I’ll engage these guys one on one when they talk to me and make them feel like what they’re saying is cool and interesting, and make an effort to include them in the conversation with our group, and even throw them into the fire by introducing them to random girls. I know they’re not going to GET the girl and they’re going to fuck up my chances of getting the girl cause there’s no way they’ll be good wingmen, but I have abundance and I know I can get other girls so I don’t care…meanwhile I know that that makes the guy’s night and if he doesn’t go out much, talking to some cute girl could be the highlight of that dude’s YEAR. And sometimes it gets him into a state where he unlocks a more social out-going personality than he normally demonstrates in those environments because I helped him feel more confident/capable and jumpstart his state.
I know HOW to obliterate other guys, but I only use it if they start the competition between us and I turn it off once they chill out and fall in line. Instead of shitting on other guys as competition, I’d way rather help bring them up to my level. 1) Chicks still know you’re the king compared to them but think it’s cool how much value to spread to the people around you and 2) it’s way better to be out with a group of people all having fun instead of part of the group being shy/quiet and lonely in the background.
I actually learned this from a Natural alpha who’s extremely social and I noticed the pattern that he would specifically keep an eye out for when someone in the group is shy/nervous/new/etc. and would make an effort to pace their reality/emotions and then lead them to a better place (“man this club is crazy hey? (pacing) all this loud music and everything, it’s so hard to talk…” “ya
” “but hey at least there’s all these hot girls around! Man, check that one out!” (leading) “ya! 
” “What’s your type of girl, man? I love blonde chicks, personally!” (comfort/rapport)).
The king takes care of all his subjects and ensures they all feel good emotions around him…that’s their reward for worshipping him.
Straight up. I’ve done this naturally for as long as I can remember, way before I found game, as a way to create positive vibe in any given situation. If you’re the dude having all the fun and you pull other people into your gravitational field of awesomeness who normally wouldn’t ever be able to attain that level of social fluidity on their own, they will love you for it.
If you want to make some loyal ass friends who will sing your praises to everyone within ear shot, then this is the shit you do…not bs braggadocio pissing contests while the YaReally’s of the world are in the background manifesting a genuine good time for all.
Don’t forget how grateful they are for being assisted in a non-condescending manner. Even nerds hate being condescended to. In college one of these guys saved my ass in a class. I had some shit come up and he personally took it upon himself to cover down on me. Saved me from having to re-take a horrendous class. He never would have done it if hadn’t personally made him cool with the rest of the guys. I I beleive GBFM would steer us toward Aesop at this point…
In other words, be Dr. House.
Damn, i like this already
These are also moves that serve to further worsen society. Do we need more foolish status monkeying and ‘act as if?’ They are quite kosher indeed.
I agree with all of this. Keep them coming
There is an experience in life that is very, very close to perfection.
Nail a piece of music together with some others in front of a crowd that fooking gets it.
Die-ing tommorrow is always a possibility. The point is to make that into …OK.
Alison Krauss
We are both of us aspergy, fore-doomed white-trash losers.
But GD, I would like to come her again.
come in her again… my bad.
CH, much like Batman, is not the hero betas want. He is the hero they need.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82909422/
2:28
Sometimes pure balls just works.
‘Not laughing at jokes’
Very, very true. If you look at Alpha male gorillas (or any alpha male who is a primate) do you see them smiling or laughing ever? No, they stare and have eyes like Nick Nolte. So who do you see smiling and laughing in the primate pack? Answer: Baby primates and immature, subordinate females.
For comparison here’s a photo of an alpha male gorilla: (http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4095/4896628819_76272c6c9b_z.jpg)
..and here’s a photo of a baby chimpanzee:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2615/4240049260_89a459d59e.jpg)
And finally, just to demonstrate how inverted the image of the Alpha Male is in modern day society, here’s so-called ‘Alpha Male’ Brad Pitt smiling and tilting his head just like a baby chimp:
(http://www.imagensa.com/images/b/brad-pitt/brad-pitt-12/Brad-Pitt_120.jpg)
it’s not dick behavior. though it’s percieved as dickish by betas and overly self absorbed entitlement princesses. what CH is simply displaying is the inability to be swayed or manipulated. it’s about placing yourself first. if i disagree with someone, i’ll hear them out, but if i disagree, i disagree. if i don’t think your joke is funny i’ll “boo” it.
but most of all it’s assertive. which give’s off a “dick” vibe. but the king doesn’t give a fuck.
didn’t realize i wasn’t logged in. above comment is mine. fuck posting anon.
All good stuff. But two things. With regard to this having any impact, there has to be a “value” component to it.
Your tribe, social circle, girls etc etc need to consider you high-value. Otherwise being late just means you’re lazy and unreliable and easily forgotten.
For the “Disappointing people”—it’s the concept of having value and not giving attention. If there’s no anticipation, no value, there’s no disappointment–it’s the fulfillment of an low expecatations.
Pretty much. For anything to work, the girl has to be interested. Otherwise, she’s just gonna stonewall you
I do all of this shit and never, ever get called out on it. I will also tell a chick to show up on time to have her waiting. calling someone out for this kind of behaviour in the real world, will make you look massively insecure, and most of the time people aren’t really registrering what’s going on anyway.
I know a man,who is kind of alpha, and I once said something to him about how he never seem rushed. He told me, “Time is my slave, not my master.” I guess that’s a good mentality.
One should learn the skill of dominating time.
Every bar and pool room has an asshole like this. When I used to hang out in bars and pool rooms, I avoided them. They get away with it until they don’t. That’s why there are fights in bars. Around here, it’s why people get shot in the parking lot.
You’re wrong about the first one – making people wait. That’s not Alpha, it’s passive aggressive Beta. It’s feminine. Alpha is not only showing up on time, it is demanding the same of others as well as being willing to leave when they are late. Being an Alpha is not about wasting other people’s time; it is about not permitting others to waste yours.
i’ve seen the indians working together to buy up hotels and yemenese buying up shops and asians buying there resteraunts
my friend called me yesterday talking bout the east indians buying hospitals now and making networks of hospitals
said three doctors living in the same house is a lot of access to capital when they don’t spend their money
and they even hire white doctors and everything at least 50 percent he he he
that some king shit to me and how do i get to have that type of situation where i lead that type of effort
its all cool and the gang till your a doctor and can’t get a job
they took our jarbs
i can see how the indians are succesful looking at the marriage vows
Newbie here, still trying to learn.
I’m trying to master the basics of alpha text game. Basically, I texted a girl to hang out a few weeks ago. She was out of town. Not a big deal.
Now a couple weeks later, I texted her again. She’s out of town. Again. Except it’s legit: her sister had a baby. She says she’s free next weekend.
Do I say anything in response? The problem with this is that, even though they’re legit excuses, it feels like negative compliance is building up.
Should I just not respond and text her next weekend? What should I do? What would an alpha do?
Stop wasting your time texting a girl who’s always busy and realize you have one-itis. Girls sense desperation and love an abundance mentaility.
Nah, it’s not one-itis. She’s just one girl I texted twice over a span of 3 weeks to hang out. Just one text from my side each time.
“You’ve been avoiding me lately, haven’t you? I know you’re shy, but I’m not like other guys. Pinky swear. Tell you what. To prove that, we’re gonna do something different this weekend. You’re gonna cook me dinner.”
And if you’re badass, you can also follow up with something similar to: “Don’t forget to wear your schoolgirl outfit.”
Should I text something to that effect now, as in the same day as when she said she was out of town? Or should I wait and text this the next weekend or two and just not respond to her last text?
Ignore the text in which she told you that she was free. Whatever she answers, you can follow up with: “I know it’s a lot of pressure on you. That’s why you can choose the color of the outfit.”
okay, so you’re saying to still to reply, but ignore the fact that she said she was free.
Here’s a cookie.
you arent ready.
A lot of you are making the same mistake women make when they say “game wouldn’t work on me, I would be able to tell and if someone DARED neg me I would tell them to fuck off, I don’t tolerate jerks!!”
You’re picturing the most assholish blatant worst-case scenario of these things, and you’re picturing someone you dislike, or don’t actively like, doing them so you get all berserker rage over it or think it only works in certain environments or that it makes everyone think the person is an asshole and they’ll only tolerate it because they’re forced to.
This stuff is subtle as fuck and the guy doing it has to be 1) congruent to it (strong frame control that being late is no big deal etc), 2) calibrated enough to know how far to go with it before people will get mad, and 3) charming and aware enough to recover if they cross a boundary with someone.
Cutting people off isn’t like this:
You: “hey so my dad died and–”
Me: “ya whatever, so I had this great burger the other day.”
It’s more like:
You: “ya so I was in Vegas and–”
Me: “oh awesome, did you hit the pool parties? They’re amazing, we got thrown out for causing a shitshow there lol”
You: “–uhh ya no we didn’t get to the pool parties, we were sleeping during the day and–”
Me: “lol ya Vegas is like a hangover 24/7 hey. So tell me what happened there? You guys get into trouble?”
You: “–oh, ya, so we were in Vegas and we (insert your boring story)”
It’s something that, especially if I’m calibrate and come off as generally a positive value-giving guy, you’ll be fine with.
With a girl it’s stuff like:
(backturn)”
Her: “I’m from Blah I moved here when–”
Me: “I hear Blah girls are trouble.”
Her: “–uhh, I, lol what noooo we’re not troub–”
Me: “When did you move here?”
Her: “–I uhh like 3 years ago?”
Me: “You sound like you’re making that up.”
Her: “!! Lol nooo I’m–”
Me: “Why do you lie to us drunk people, you monster? Using us for your own amusement like we’re your puppets dancing for you.”
Her: “omg you’re–”
Me: “See I knew Blah girls were trouble.
Her: “omg!!! No wait–(grab)”
Like it’s not hostile stuff. It’s more along the lines of what you’re going to say is probably boring, and I’m more interested in this other thing, so lets talk about what I want to talk about instead. We can get back to your thing so you don’t feel dejected, because I’m socially calibrated enough to bring us back to your story so you can tell it…it’s just that instead of you telling me your story, I’ve set a frame where I’m telling you to tell me your story (leadership/alpha/dominance/making you react to me/etc).
It’s like when I’m txting a girl at night and know she’s about to go to sleep. I’ll crack one last joke and then tell her “now go to bed and try not to dream about me.” Where she’s still doing the same thing she was going to do (go to bed) but I’ve usurped it and turned it into a command/order and gained a few alpha daddy type points with her.
Staring past people is just the same as body language. Don’t give someone your full attention until they earn it. If you give your attention out to everyone all willy-nilly it doesn’t mean anything except that you’re reactive and jumpy and beta. When someone only has 80% of your attention but they say “ya I’m from Blah” and suddenly you turn and lock on and give them 100% attention it means the world to them just because your interest/attention was an artificially scarce thing to obtain.
There’s nothing aspergersy about it, natural alphas do this stuff all the time. You just don’t notice it in the guys who are good at it the same way a girl doesn’t realize she’s being sucked into push/pull or reacting to a neg. You only blatantly notice this stuff and get offended by it in the guys who suck at it.
I agree with some of the other posters here. This only works on women. On men, you’re eventually gonna try this on the wrong one.
For some whatever reason, I’ve tried using game on various men, some friends, some strangers, and boy, it fails miserably…Great fun though.
And you’ve tried this in front of women? Jesus that was pretty embarrassing for the guy the one time I tried it. He’s hated me ever since lol
At one point, I interrupted him just to ask the girl right next to him if they were dating (they always seemed to be together.) She outright said no and that they were just friends. The guy almost turned crimson red and that’s when I knew I got him. He wasn’t gonna pull the shit he had pulled on me before that but that’s a different story.
Embarrassing for betas, yes. But for alphas…It’s priceless. I remember, a while back, I was out, and I met a long time buddy of mine. Because of the fact that we didn’t see each other for some time, I tried game, not knowing that he also became less beta, and we laughed hysterically for about two or three minutes.
Yeah, you should generally treat men with more respect than women. Manginas like Hugs Schwyzer excluded.
For me, it has always been bros before hoes, but a bit of fun can’t hurt.
Part of being an Alpha is knowing your place in the pecking order. Of COURSE just trying this on everyone is a mistake. But it’s brilliant behavior when you are in charge.
Nothing wrong with sucking up to someone who truly is superior to you.
Hey. Been hanging around this website for a while, mainly interested in the “being alpha” articles, as I’m starting to think with my cock for a change, which is bloody brilliant by the way, and according to all these articles, being alpha is more about giving the impression of being on top of everyone else with everything, than actually being whatever you want and enjoying yourself. Maybe it’s because of the fact that I’m just starting off, but I get this thought in my mind everytime I see one of these things around, especially this one.
Am I right or am I wrong?
You’re right. Don’t forget though that this “alpha” stuff is merely about imitating. You fake it till you make it and you think, therefore you become. That type of thing. Other people are gonna start believing it eventually
“Perception is the only reality”
Of course you can get money and get women from that but that takes time. There’s a reason men in their 30s have an edge on men in their 20s when it comes to this. They’d had enough time to build themselves up so now women are interested in them. If you’re in your early 20s, the odds of you coming into a huge sum of money very quick aren’t that great so you have to work with other things, if you have other things.
You think it, and you eventually become it. Spot on. Looking back on my adventures, I can identify with this. And even though I will never be a proper “alpha”, simply because I just don’t give a fuck, I admire those who are. It takes effort to be congruent on all “battlefields”.
Basically you brainwashed yourself into something else just to get laid. You sell your soul for more pussies.
That’s even more beta a move than worshiping women.
Sell your soul? Please, troll harder.
Besides the soul selling, you’re on the right track. That’s why I dropped it when I realised. The effort is simply not worth it for me.
Would doing the opposite of all these things help cultivate a pleasant, feminine personality?
And will this series include self defense lesson for when this is tried in the wrong social setting and someone leaves the King’s guts decorating the floor?
the best self defense is not caring if you die
I noticed that:
-Making women wait: it drives them nuts, but in a good way. It always works for me. I always arrive about 20 minutes late if I have a date or something with a girl. They always bitch about it but it’s good and they can’t get enough of it.
-Staring past people: when talking with women I always do it. That makes them try harder to gain your attention. More points for me.
-Cutting people off: I do it sometimes. It has never backfired though.
-Dissapointing people: it shows you have options and you don’t really care if you lose that particular woman.
I stare women straight in their eyes like I’m inspecting the back of their cerebellum. I do it until they look down submissively.
Why would the king always be talking. It’s more likely he’d let his jester and his women talk and entertain him will showing very light amusement. The king would mostly just give them direction and steer them in the right direction with as little effort as possible. I don’t see the king being a chatter box and going off about anything because nothing would be that important to him. And while his jester’s going off his steady picking his next lay or amusement.
Rodney Dangerfield once instructed a crowd that his own mother never allowed him to breast-feed because she only saw him as a friend.
RimShot…
lol rum wtf dude
if you got that much loot check it
see how many bitches you can fit to sucking on your body at one time
get crazy with the shit bro
quit being fucking tame lol
Alison Krauss=Neanderthalism(+Rumism)LOL
Jackie McShee=Neanderthalism.
Taylor Guitars=Neanderthalism
The Indigo Girls – Emily and Amy – got naked in my swimming pool.
Some things are really hard to re-produce.
“He will not fake laugh to make you feel at ease. He will not laugh uproariously if you are a hot girl making a lame joke.”
I guess that means you never laugh at girls’ jokes. In my experience, women are almost never funny, or at least not nearly as funny as they think they are.
yea i’m at the club it has two sides the black side and the white side
and ya know
had these chicks on the black side going work it work it
had the whole fuckng black side up on it while i was dancing
on the white side i got told to move along and some white bitch told her husband i said she had nice tits or something
well i didn’t dude was all nice and shit bla bla bla my wife said you told her she had nice tits i’m like no i didn’t tell her that i just was saying hi and the bitch told me to move along or something i’m like she was real fucked up to me
i never get drunk but i got drunk as fuck tonight drunker than i have been in fucking years
like really fucking drunk like 27 shots fuking drunk
and you know what the whte chick who when i came in was all up on my nuts and i told i was gonna get to the point where i shit myself and puke then puke some more and puke and pis myself and not give a fuck
well the bitch got drunk herelf and left the fucking club and i’m there holding my dick
but yea anyway so i’m asking for rides cause i’m not gonna drive and guess who fucking drives me home a black chick that went to the same college as my sister
so i’m like come on in i got some jager and she comes in
and i try to kiss her and she says she don’t do that on the first date
but yea my truck at the club but really i guess you know fuk this shit yo
allthough ok i called a white bitch and she coming over
but still man i think i need a black chick again man
i felt at home like usual on the black side of the club like wtf dude how the fuck
but yea they got there own shit i’m like dam
got teh chicks number so yea gonna call her tomorrow or whatever\
but yea i was like thanks a lot
she said your welcome
saved my ass could of had family come to pick me up but shit wtf man
anyway maybe just fucking go back to the way it was and let a black chick take care of my sillly ass self
thanks black dudes for making black chicks yo otherwise i’d of had a fucked up night lolzzzzzzzzzzz
funny shit though white chick lied to her husband bout me saying she had nice tits for him to come fight me or some shit
wild man at least tell the truth the fuck
lieing about some petty shit
wtf
funny part dude had to admit she lieing bitch lol
cause ain’t like he was gonna fight me even though i was drunk as fuck
dam i felt bad like really bad like really really bad
like right now i’m just wtf dude why would she set his ass up like that
and shittest him like that
but yea even if i did say she had nice tits i mean so what hahahahahahaha
she didn’t though and i ain’t gonna lie to a bitch he he he
so i facefucked this chick and she was trying to get me to fuck her and my dick said no
but she was crying cause talkin bout how she sees me as a friend and then when i was with ex girl i cut her off from me and didn’t talk to her
and if my ex chick came back i would cut off contact again i was just talking to her cause i didn’t have my chick
i’m like yea i mean i don’t love you like that but i can see you trying and yea i appreciate you beeing there for me and being my friend
she like she don’t need me to love her or have relationship just she wants to be my friend and be able to talk with me
i’m like yea ok you can be my friend
i mean white chick that was at club got a dude but when i walked over to their table she jumped up and GREEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
and hugged me and shit
i mean she got fucked up to
so i can’t really fauly her that bad she was leaning on her dude basically passed out and shit
but i talked to her dude to about i’m getting drunk as fuck and yea he took her home without telling me but ok i can kind of understand that too i guess hahhahahahahahhaha
gave me number of chick that i touched tit of for the first time in my life though lol i actually called her woke that ass up she talked for a bit and said she was gonna call me tomorrow he he he
Hey Scray,
you are one of the few people here running experiments with game and discussing it. You should link your e-mail to your screen name so people can contact you in private with suggestions and comments…
Oh, that sounds like an idea. How do I do that?
Im not sure; maybe check the wordpress home page?
These moves are more ADHD than Alpha.
ADHD is responsible for a few extremely alpha traits along with excruciatingly beta ones. AlphaDHD tingle inducers:
-Become bored with a task after only a few minutes
-Not seem to listen when spoken to
-Be very impatient
-Blurt out inappropriate comments, […] act without regard for consequences
-Have difficulty waiting for things they want or waiting their turns in games
BetaDHD traits:
-Fidget and squirm in their seats
-Talk nonstop
-Dash around, touching or playing with anything and everything in sight
-Have trouble sitting still during dinner, school, and story time
-Be constantly in motion
ADHD is responsible for a few extremely alpha traits along with excruciatingly beta ones. AlphaDHD tingle inducers:
-Become bored with a task after only a few minutes
-Not seem to listen when spoken to
-Be very impatient
-Blurt out inappropriate comments, […] act without regard for consequences
-Have difficulty waiting for things they want or waiting their turns in games
BetaDHD traits:
-Fidget and squirm in their seats
-Talk nonstop
-Dash around, touching or playing with anything and everything in sight
-Have trouble sitting still during dinner, school, and story time
-Be constantly in motion
Stop making excuses for white people.
Great point. There is no excuse. Why do we put up with this shit?
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