Marriage is more satisfying when the wife is thinner than her husband.
[M]en who had a higher Body Mass Index than their wives (calculated from a person’s height and weight) were a little happier at the outset than those who had the same or a lower BMI. This advantage was maintained throughout the period.
What is more it appears it’s not just the husband who is happier if his wife is thinner.
How heavy the husband was didn’t play a role in happiness at the start of the study for the wives.
However, by the end of year four, the wives whose BMI was lower than that of their husbands were significantly happier than those who had the same BMI, or a higher one.
These finds held true even when other factors such as depression and income level were ruled out.
The researchers from the University of Tennessee speculated that physical attractiveness was a more important quality in a partner to younger men.
This is yet more evidence that physical appearance in a potential mate is less important a criterion for women than it is for men. Fat chicks suffer a graver penalty in the sexual marketplace than do fat men. And slender babes who fulfill the sexual polarity directive — that is, women who are more naturally feminine and relish their roles as such within relationships — are happier than women who look and act more like their men.
Is there anything feminism ISN’T wrong about?
‘Is there anything feminisism isn’t wrong about?’
No.
That was a great closing line. Laughed out loud.
“Marriage is more satisfying when the wife is thinner than her husband.”
If the wife isn’t thinner than the husband that’s not a marriage, that’s “See you later, honey”.
+1.
It’s just a special case of “is there anything progressivism is not wrong about?” Which is also no. And the crazy thing, that’s not even hyperbole!
Careful with your terms. Progressivism properly understood is not merely a synonym for “liberal.” Now, I happen to be an AnCap outlier, but most of us are quite happy in a world where elevators are inspected, and your city mayor isn’t allowed to appoint his nephew to a cushy sinecure.
Meh. Even when wrong, feminists will attempt to claim the benefits.
To wit, the Atlantic suggests bringing back chivalry.
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/lets-give-chivalry-another-chance/266085/
Not much discussion in there about how women should behave to engender such activity.
No
I have a question I have been grappling with though, given porn, men dropping out of dating etc, what I cant figure out is why girls are such still bitches who readily turn down every advance that comes their way. Seems like supply/demand should start to really change the dynamic, but to no avial.
It is just a massive FALSE overvaluation of themselves?
Sort of.
They’ve been told all their lives that feminine behavior is abnormal. That, combined with the occasional fuck’n’chuck by a passing alpha, reassures them that they’ve still got it.
The sexually invisible betas they ignore would be driven off by the bitchiness, if they got laid regularly. But they don’t, so they keep trying, and many women enjoy a large amount of satisfaction from shooting them down.
Women may also issue nuclear rejections is a status symbol (as only the hottest women could “get away with it”). What they don’t realize is that this screens them out of almost every desirable man’s relationship queue.
You assume the abundance of porn and other factors have affected supply. They haven’t. Have you been to a bar or club in a college town recently? Men with bad game get rejected. Period.
Half the women being overweight is as big a problem for the men as sex-selective abortion in India and China is for the men over there. A slender young woman has plenty of options, making tight game absolutely essential.
I’d find a different venue, seems like most girls that don’t want me to talk to them, just give me a fairly polite brush-off. shrug.
Due to men’s higher sex drive and women’s natural propensity towards the harem it will always be a seller’s market, particularly in an environment of economic security. Maybe if 90% of men died off…but really that would just make them bitchier
Men have porn to get them off, women have their smart phones and social media. Women’s perceptions of themselves soar through the roof every time they get a “like” on Facebook or a message on Plenty of Fish. With smart phones, women can get this validation 24/7. This is why you see a lot of 5′s who think they’re 8′s, and act accordingly.
I changed my user name, but a lot of these points are pretty good. Despite the decrease in ‘demand’ it is still only small compared to the rapidly shrinking supply of thin girls, and the ego-whoring of every facebook girl.
Because girls run on emotion, not logic.
but at some point it will have nothing to do with logic. it will simply be pure unsatisfaction
Re: Sword:
Girls have outsized egos b/c they get hit on hundreds or thousands of times a year, and they don’t see each of those guys hitting on hundreds of other girls, so they maintain a false sense of being the prize.
Cavewomen grew up amidst only a few dozen eligible guys, and through intimate gossip were more aware of their competition…the female brain is not built to handle the unprecedented scale of modern urban population density.
Fair enough.
But is it different for the male brain?
No. See “approach anxiety, roots of.”
True–overweight guys just aren’t fighting the same uphill battle in the marketplace that overweight women are. The caveat is that he has to be fat in a masculine way. Big belly, fine. The teddy-bear look actually works very well for a lot of men.
On the other hand…big FUPA or pear-shaped in that weirdly feminine way? Kind of hard to look at.
I think being fat in a ‘manly’ way only works when the guy is tall. Like, Vince Vaughn allowed himself to get pretty fat, but I doubt it really affected his attractiveness to women that much.
Me, on the other hand — I’m short, so…my high (but dropping steadily) BMI works against me hardcore I bet. I carry my fat almost exclusively in my stomach and in my face. So…it’s the dreaded skinny fat.
Basically, I’d say short men = fat women in SMV.
I feel bad saying this, but the last sentence is correct.
When I lived in Toronto-Occupied-Ontario and spent my summers in Denmark (both places with some of the world’s tallest men and most entitled women), when women would say “Well, girls don’t choose men by their looks”, I would respond “Um, HEIGHT !?!”. They would defensively say “That’s not true”, to which I would immediately reply “That’s about as convincing as me saying ‘Like no way! Like, guys date fat chicks.” Girls would either laugh or look at me like I had just raped their grandmother.
Yeah, and every time I hear about a short guy who makes it hardcore with women, it’s always some guy who literally has 10/10 facial aesthetics. Little need to diss game, though. CH has a post about its limits. Like, it just will not make up for everything.
Go out more. Meet more people.
I have a handful of super short friends (5’0″-5’3″). 2 of them get hotter women than most of the guys commenting here and one of those two is skinny/frail, Asian, with blatantly fucked up teeth. His bread ‘n butter is banging waitresses & beer tub girls.
Some of the other guys are better looking (the good facial features and in-shape body type, wearing suits all the time etc) but have less confidence than those two (the frail one peacocks heavily, the other wears skater clothes and has shaggy unkempt hair and basically looks like a bum lol).
Their confidence is thru the roof and the frail one studies/applies game.
They run their game a little differently from tall good-looking guys, a lot more behind the scenes shit and a heavier focus on using social circles to demonstrate value and create opportunities to isolate, but they’re guys you’d look at and go “no WAY that dude can get laid” until the hottie you were hitting on starts ignoring you to talk to them because they have better game and more charisma than you.
In conclusion like I said before: go out more, meet more people.
Go for Jewish women (or Indians and Asians, to a lesser degree) because their culture values brains way over brawn. A common sight at my ex’s old synagogue was wives towering over their husbands. You need to be well-read and educated to pull this off, BTW. Also, I saw some study that black women value brawn over brains, so it’s the opposite there.
Subcultures, especially ethnic ones, matter when it comes to game, and that needs to be addressed.
Jewish women value money, more so than most women.
Back on point, women prefer larger men because size is perceived as power. A small, in-shape man is perceived as wimpier than a large, out-of-shape man.
Also, BMI doesn’t work that well with men. It doesn’t always correlate to fatness in men because fat men and muscular men both have bigger BMI. Whereas for women, those with large BMI are indeed fat.
Not true for Indians or Asians. The girls still prefer taller guys, all things being equal.
However, both Indian and Asian women are shorter than average, so it’s easier for a short guy to pick up a Indian/Asian, because he has a higher chance of finding a shorter girl. Aka, height is relative; no need to be tall, just taller than the girl, and even a tiny fraction taller counts.
You understand that there is no such thing as “Indian” ? It’s either Indo-European or Dravidian or Aboriginal.
Aryans, say from Punjab are an average of about 6′.
Dravidians say from Tamil are 5’2
Aborginals are all over the place
Chinese/Asian Indian (about 100 million in absolute numbers) are again all over the place.
“You understand that there is no such thing as “Indian” ?
Oh jeeebus. The only distinction that matters is between woo-woo Indian and Dot Head Indian.
“Gwen, can I ask you a question? American Indian or 7-11 Indian?”
The skinny.
Women definitely have a type. However, it’s true that you can make up for it a little bit by having a very masculine attitude.
Also, being smart helps. Women equate intelligence with masculinity to some degree, and they do respect it in a man. I once read that Marilyn Monroe had a serious crash on Albert Einstein and wrote him sort of love letters. Can you imagine Einstein and Marilyn as a couple?
Can you imagine ANYBODY and Kissinger? But watch that man walk into a room….
Based on my experiences, the only thing about intelligence that turns women on is if and how it relates to income or income potential.
MM writing ‘love letters’ to Albert Einstein could have easily been studio spin.
How can intelligence NOT relate to income or income potential?
Liz, once again, floor rather than ceiling. High intelligence != high salary. Low intelligence, otoh…
Well…I suppose there is the cast of Jersey Shore. Which brings us to the topic of entertainment, modern society, and perverse incentives. But that’s too depressing so I will stick to snark.
“Subcultures, especially ethnic ones, matter when it comes to game, and that needs to be addressed.”
THIS. In my single years, in the right subcultures (“learned” nerdy stuff in grad school, for example, and a few others), I got more ass than a bus-stop bench, all of it, with a single hilarious-but-fun exception in the 9-10 range. In the wrong one (restaurants near SMU gold-diggers), I had a great time but never even bothered trying to go after the women (it may surprise you that raw beauty was actually MORE prevalent away from the SMU types, who had an alarming tendency to ruin their looks with too much makeup, etc). I learned a lot from being in the first environment, and could now easily float the second, but starting out I wouldn’t have been able to hack the verbal game.
Scray needs to find a group of women in an environment where he’d be absolutely comfortable with the women, so that he can ignore the fact that they have tits, and build up some experience there. Some men HAVE confidence whether they can back it up or not; the rest of us get it from being able to reflect upon successful experience.
I know a couple of guys who are quite short–I mean, we’re talking 5’3″ and maybe 5’5″–who get more ass than a toilet seat. And good-looking girls, too, sixes and up. One of them is lean, one is chunky, and they’re both really only average in the face. Not ugly or anything, just average. I’ve never asked either of them for the secret to their success, but if I ever get the chance to raise the question in a way that won’t come off insultingly, I’ll do it and report back to you.
One thing I’ve noticed about both of them is that they are both extremely self-confident. To the point of being egotistical. But they’re both genuinely clever and funny and fun to be around, so they don’t wind up pissing everybody off. (And before you ask, no. They’re colleagues and none of us is that dumb.)
LOL — True story: I entered college as a freshman at a freakishly short height and did better that year than any other in my life. If I could figure out what my secret was then I’d use it now. It MAY have been that I had a seriously hot girlfriend back home, so I just behaved like I didn’t care. Which I didn’t.
As a short guy, you are definitely starting 1 point down from normal. In order to have a chance, you need to get game.
Lifting weights and being fearless were basically my methods, before learning game. Of course muscles and fearlessness can be considered game too.
Note that 5’4″ is the average height of women in the USA. Thus, for your short guy friends, half the women they meet won’t dock them on height, because height is relative. “As long as the guy is a little taller” (even a millimeter counts) seems to be the SMV cutoff (before they dock a point).
I’ve been hitting the weights, and I’ve been losing weight and seeing gains. I mean, I want to stipulate that what I’m aiming for is just casual sex with 6′s and above. Like, fatties are easy — even for me, and older women are also easy…like 40+. It’s really just women who are fairly high SMV in their prime. Granted, the 4-6 (wasn’t clear, lighting was shitty — but she had a nice petite body) pissed me off because she could have potentially have been a 4 trying to talk shit to me, which is just offensive.
So yeah…I kinda just think that posting or recalling anecdotes somewhere — I guess this blog — will help with the learning process.
As a pretty short guy (5’9 in my stocking feet, I don’t count shoes and hair like a lot of frauds out there), I know where you’re coming from.
However, being a generally well-calibrated and interesting guy can somewhat make up for the height disadvantage. Trying to compensate by wearing lifts and such nonsense is readily transparent to just about everybody, so I just roll with what I got and try to feel comfortable in my own skin. This, combined with the maxims of Game, has allowed me to not be an abject failure in the SMV department.
Then again, I’m still not laying hot chicks despite my best attempts to be alpha, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
If you are having blaming your problems on being 5’9″, your game sucks.
You are *not* short. In fact, you are almost exactly average height in the USA.
You are taller than the vast majority of women (who average 5’4″), and that’s what counts when you meet a girl face to face.
Girls don’t dock you for being short until you are shorter than them.
Of course, being Vince Vaughn has probably helped him a bit.
From Wikipedia via Google:
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I know it’s an extreme example; but it does illustrate an important difference between the predicament faced by short men vs fat women: For the shorties, there are balancing traits available. For fatties, there are none, short of no longer being a fattie.
I’m not so sure about the conclusion that fat men suffer less in TODAY’s (USA) sexual market than fat women, though. While men’s attractiveness suffer less on an absolute scale; female hypergamy combined with a culture of pervasive state subsidized whoring, only the top 10% of men get any sex at all, whereas any woman outside the bottom 10% can get as much of it as she can possibly handle.
Also look into Bernie Ecclestone, the guy who owns F1 racing. He snagged a Croatian model 6″ taller than him and 20+ years younger. His two daughters are smokin’ too.
I have one more piece of advice: if you look good with long hair, grow it out. People tend to put “in boxes” visually, so instead of being “short guy” you become “hippie guy.”
Again, this is something I noticed in college, when a Frisbee-throwing dude was well with women in another dorm. It didn’t register to me for years that he was short because his hair, and his whole demeanor, suggested a different persona.
Being rich/famous/prime minister had, of course, nothing to do with it….
It’s kind of neat how that works, isn’t it? I was standing next to one of my husband’s friends yesterday and it suddenly hit me that I’m taller than he is! Like, 3 – 4 inches taller! But he has such a forceful, hilarious, self-deprecating personality, I literally never noticed that he was short.
Maybe because I was never looking at him as “material”?
I don’t know, but they say fat chicks need to be jolly in order to be liked. I suppose short guys need to have wicked personality?
@Sword
“what I cant figure out is why girls are such still bitches who readily turn down every advance that comes their way. ”
There is no shortage of new guys for them to trample over like the elephants they are. There’s always new guys being born into the matrix every day.
There will eventually come a saturation point, critical mass if you will, of men who are redpill where it becomes accepted as fact and no longer derided as it is today. Once that happens, their ego’s will disappear and we’ll see feminine women once more.
Don’t know if it’s in my current lifetime tho…
Yeah man, you are talking about a world that exists, It’s called the Czech Republic, been here for 2 years now and never looking back. Occasionally I meet an American girl who’s not 10-15 lbs over weight and has a feminine personality, but then she opens her “ohh my gwad” and twitter hash tag cesspool of a mouth and I relish the fact my phone book is full of Swedes, Russians, Slovenians, Czechs, you get the point
I’m ordering Rosetta Stone – Polish edition for my Christmas gift to myself. X-pat is in the cards near future.
I will make a note about visiting the land of long supple legs known as the Czech Republic when i finally cross the pond.
You’d get more mileage out of learning Russian. Only because it is the second language of most EE’s and it frees you to hit up ALL FSC’s which is a good thing…
@ M3 Jay in DC is right I spent a lot of time learning czech, dont get me wrong it’s paying off big time, but most czechs know russian even thought they dont want to admit it, and I could have 2 birds’d it with russian
Can u make a good living in the Czech Repub????
Biracial manlet checking in — still failing at this whole thing by the way. At least now I’m getting numb to it. Although, I had a particularly bad episode at the club a few nights ago. I started dancing with a girl, and she was somewhere between a 4 and a 6. She made a face, then expected me to notice she made a face. I was focused on other things besides her face at the time, so she informed me that when she made that face, it meant that she was ‘creeped out’ and didn’t desire my company.
…
Now, I know that we’re all supposed to remain nonreactive, but this broke the dam that holds back my primal anger. Sorry — we’re scaling new heights of betatude now. I just shrugged, stepped further into her space, snapped my fingers, and danced more. This woman lost her mind and literally -pushed- me away from her.
I blinked and held up my hands. Guess what happened? No less than 6 white knights arrived and told me how uncool I was being. Granted, I guess that was kind of a dick move — or hey, maybe certain people need to lighten the fuck up. So uh…yeah…..literally shoved away on the dancefloor. I’m starting to think that club dancefloors are -horrible- for me
When she made that face you should have asked her if she farted.
I wish, man. Next time — I’m sure there will be a next time — I’ll remember to keep cool and say something like that. Probably similar rejected outcome, but at least I’ll have said something funny.
Perhaps your ,Robbot was not running the new dance methods.
What kind of club clothing did you wear? Parachute pants, fashion statement of last year, causing the girl to rub sensitive areas and lose face.
@Scray I have my Commotion Theory. Commotion is loudest around the known treasures. Do NOT let broads deture you. You were in the right place at the right time on the wrong way and she instinctively filtered you out. I see lots of advice in this sphere on technique and escalation. It’s only in the ballpark. Study evolution theory and have your Theory of the Hamster and test it out. You should not retreat. You should evaluate the experience and try instinctual communication. She saw you as a suitor or she would not have called you a creep. You are halfway there. It’s just a jungle out in society, that’s all. Play the hamster not the fixed progression of courtship. Women have no discipline for progression, only an instinct for ranking and status. You triggered something wrong. Are you opening the social set first? That is the open secret to stop cockblocking. Maybe she cockblocked herself. lol The blowback means you are closer than ever, to both risk and reward. Think. Experiment. Observe. Watch guys fail and watch guys succeed. When you grab one of these specimens in the crotch and she likes it, you will not be so impressed at her judgment or indignation.
Literally, it was just me on the dancefloor with some friends attempting to dance with women. Her friend seemed fine with me there — honestly she just seemed to be disinterested. I mean, it’s hard for me to watch guys fail and succeed. I hang out with guys who mostly do well with women — or a good deal better than me. One is very tall, the rest are between 5’7-5’9. So…it’s hard for me to know why they succeed. Is it because one is very ripped? Is it because another is very tall? Is it because they have better faces? Or is it because they have better game.
Ironically, though….I do believe that trying — even if you fail — with women earns you more respect among males. Like, people talk about it and joke, but you become noteworthy. So….maybe you’re right
I admit I am cerebral, so my bias for it is there. It’s hard? Is that an emotional thingy you need to work out, i.e. develop your inner game? You must fake game until you internalize it to suit you and your needs. Think more. Most guys go the other way and don’t field test enough. Maybe you are young, or maybe you have learned to stop thinking so you don’t feel the pain of the matrix code.
Looks? Were you hitting on a 7 or 8 like your good looking friends who would never hit on a 5? Think rationally here. Work with what you got and try and try. Accept that you don’t get attraction from a 7, but loose approach anxiety. Practise the more intimate socializing with as ugly as you need. You don’t have to bang a 1, but you can get her to allow you the choice. Looks? If she was a 6 and you are less than average looking, then it could slightly matter. I think its your ‘game’. Think and study more. You are making some simple mistake on ignorance. Those fundamental answers are here online. Be persistent and patient but think. IMHO.
When I did the Dating Market Value test for men and put up my pic on Hot Or Not, my average score was a 7.2. So I mean…by the test I’m average, but I’m also short, so maybe not
And by ‘it’s hard,’ I mean, it’s hard to pick out the signal from the noise. If I’m trying to tune up my game by watching successful guys…then I feel like I should be able to account for ‘okay, she’s going for him, but it’s in spite of that lame beta game he spouted, not because of it’ versus ‘this guy is spitting some good game and he’s getting success because of it.’
I’ll try to ‘think’ more. There’s just a lot of shit to remember. I tend to keep my thinking to ‘stand up straight, good posture, lift chin, if you can’t think of a good response…shut the fuck up for two seconds and look at her like she’s a child.’
When I say think more, it’s about refinement for efficiency and effectiveness rather than intensity to cover everything always. She is a she-child. She is not complex. To change is complex and laborious because conguency of effectiveness is not easy to achieve. You got it. Just keep doing it. Maybe go out alone to observe, or observe people you don’t know so you can be objective. Observe your practise targets. Observe yourself. You and your friends should observe each other and fix bad habits. Your bias should only be what the evidence shows. Collect, analyze, and repeat. Not a sprint but a marathon. Keep on living. I will suggest Michael Byc’s Alpha Dog Days of Summer and seductionbase.com. There’s books if you got money. Rome was not built in a day. Good luck.
+1
You didn’t handle it well. You can’t force a woman to dance with you. You should have just shrugged like, “Okay, your decision” and danced off. There are a lot of women in the world, don’t let rejection from one make you lose your cool.
Lol…yaaaaa, probably wasn’t my best moment. Sometimes rudeness triggers an emotional reaction in me…I’m worken on it.
If it makes you feel any better, I had some fat harpy go out of her way to tell me “don’t talk to my friend” when I hadn’t show any interest or desire to talk to her friend.
You could have looked at her like you don’t know what she is talking about, and then looked away as if she isn’t even worth trying to figure it out.
And look away after you’ve looked her body up and down.
Lol, dafuq. Bitches be crazy
You could have gone up to her (the friend) and said, “hey, your friend just told me you wanted to buy me a drink.”
I think the fact that he ahd his dick popped out of his pants may have hurt his chances…?
You don’t have an identity yet, which is fine because you’re still learning and observing other guys and adapting bits and pieces here and there to figure out your identity.
The biggest thing about my short buddies who get laid is they have VERY clear-cut identities. They know exactly who they are and what behavior they do and don’t tolerate from people around them, and have developed extremely strong mental frames for how they view the world around them.
Basically you’re still wishy-washy as a man. That’ll fix itself over time. It could take years, but it comes down to how much you want to get it handled. You are entirely capable of surpassing your buddies, you just don’t really believe that yet. Again this is stuff that you’ll fix over time, gaining little reference experiences that slowly add up. This isn’t something you’ll fix in a year.
One of my close wings these days is a 6’4″ super good looking MMA Natural WITH solid game. It took me months to get out of his shadow and quit letting the logic of “there’s no way I can compete with him, he’s better looking than me” fuck with me and just trust Game and not subconsciously hold back. If I don’t do anything, he gets all the girls. But if I step up and fully execute and express myself thru my Game, I take the girls from him.
You can also change your strategy up. If I’m out with a bunch of tall good-looking alpha jock types, I won’t open around them, I’ll venture off on my own or just with one of them, and work my shit. By the time those guys come over, the girls have experienced my awesomeness and even if my buddies are better looking they have an uphill battle because I’ve already got the girls feeling various emotions. If the other guy just relies on his looks and has no game, he’s practically invisible to the girls.
My short buddies tend to work social circle game more than direct physical game. So they’re the leader of a group and inviting girls to parties or night out at other places, where they isolate the girl and escalate behind the scenes vs trying to be the make-out guy in the middle of the bar.
One of my short buddies dances and girls love it and come over to dance with him because he’s just doing his own thing (dancing for his own amusement vs trying to dance over to a group of girls). But if he doesn’t do anything, the song ends and she leaves. So as the song winds down he grabs her hand and says “let’s go get a drink” and drags her over to get water at the bar. Except he’s actually dragging her specifically out of view of her friends so he can work his verbal game and DHV a bunch and escalate etc with no interference and if its a club enviro he collects her # and txts her thru the night while they’re still at the club to keep her mind on him, and meets her again “for food” closer to 2am or sets up a Day 2 for during the week. If its a lounge/pub enviro, once he’s hooked her after isolating he’ll lock her arm in his and introduce her to his friends and he’ll go back to the girl’s group and hang with them and work the group to get their approval and go home with her later with everyone’s blessing.
The bad news is: you might not be running the type of game that really resonates with your personality/attributes/environment and that will take a while to figure out since you don’t have a strong identity yet.
The good news is the Game has plenty of nuances to it that you get to experiment with and the cost of playing the game is just going out for a few hours and having fun…so it’s a long journey but ultimately a fun one. Hang in there lol
Cool old lady checking in here.
Do not dance with women. Just dance. Hang out with your friends, make a kind of a loose circle that women can insert themselves in if they’re interested, and when they do, you should all treat them like they’re a nuisance and had better start being interested or they’ll be ignored.
Alphas do not go to clubs to pick up. It happens sometimes, but this is not why they go. They go to get their party on. Women should have to try to work and be offering something, to get you away from your pack or if you’re alone, to make herself more interesting than beer.
When a woman pulls you in or starts trying to get your attention, look around the room at other women for a short while before settling your eyes on her. Make as if there is someone else there you might be more interested in, but that since she’s there, you’ll throw her a bone.
At no point before she is offering sex, should you behave as if you wouldn’t take other available options in a room full of gyrating vagina.
Never take pickup advice from a woman, no matter how well meant. They cannot possibly grasp how women actively screen without even thinking about it. You have to perform the formality of being seen to open her or she won’t feel validated like her flighty, insecure “mind” needs.
I’ve seen may chicks drooling over me, practically masturbating in public but maybe one in ten thousand will actually open thir mouths and say a word. They really just can’t.
The flip side of this is once you open her, you can be a horrible frat boy or some other alien species, end up beating her up when you fuck her and having her think about you all the time nonetheless but at least you actually EXIST, whereas every Beta who won’t [appear to be] kowtowing to her “beauty” does not get one neuron’s worth of thought.
It is almost impossible to overstate the passivity and stupidity of women.
What a cunty chick … this reminds of the snarl post. She had no reason to be that rude. Don’t give a rude bitch the pleasure of your company and you shouldn’t give her the satisfaction of knowing she got to you.
You should have said something that made her feel self conscious about what a bitch she was being without seeming beta. No idea what it would be… I feel for fledgling PUAs. It’s hard to come up with something in the moment.
Maybe…. a shrug, cue smirk, “you seemed like a nice girl.” (??)
Whatever the study shows, it’s sort of moot because women, especially women at the height of their biological sexual power, are buying into the concept of having it all, which in their HypergamyGoneWild mentality means:
-they want someone super ambitious (read rich business man)
-someone well travelled (read rich, ability to take junkets to far reaches of the globe every month)
-someone super smart and overly educated and worldly (to take mental adventures with, and to look up to)
-someone who has the ripped body of Werewolf boy and the romantic stimulation of Sparkly vampire from Twilight (to choose the lego block above all others despite this mans ability to attain anything he wants from whoever he wants)
-and they want all the above ^^^ to commit solely to them to princess them, wine them, dine them.. but know when to stand up to them.
With a starting point like that, it’s hard for them to think that physical appearance in a potential mate is less important a criterion. Especially when one must show off their potential mate to the rest of the herd for oohs and awws of approval and drool drippings.
Let the great cat collection continue.
Note that when men get to the height of their biological sexual power and they demand thin… well you’re just a cruel evil person who can’t see people for their real inner beautiful worth. Bah.
But, but haven’t you heard about the grim news? Apparently, you can’t diet and lose weight. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s biology that they remain land whales. I mean simply cutting back on crack … i mean sugar doesn’t allow them to maintain a normal. It simply returns when they start they resume their full dosed sugar habit.
Don’t even start with that cutting out sugar/carbs non-sense. It’s all so stupid. Forgoing chips, sodas, cakes, and chocolate simply can’t be done. It’s simply scientifically impossible. I mean eating a diet consisting of protein, fat and veggies is ludicrious.
The belief in being genetically or medically predisposed and doomed to being fat is STRONG…….
Granted, there is such a thing as the ‘fat gene’.
Affects maybe 1/100th of 1% of the population.
In the US, that would mean 1 small town in the abandoned NW corner of Iowa.
Just dumped a girl the other night. She was a 6.5 (+22 on DMV test for women) and we had been seeing each other for a bit over a month. I was starting to lose interest, and I left her alone for a week. But this weekend, she also started saying things like she had gotten a little chubby and was “proud” of it, and that she had been abused by her mother when she was little because she had been fat. Her mother is a total seacow, giving me a vision of what she’d look like in 20 years. After I dropped her off at her place and walked out, she sent me like ten drunken texts, the last of which was begging for a meeting to “talk”.
I went back to the bar, and told her more attractive, slender roommate (about an 8) that it wasn’t working and I was through. The roommate, who I suspect fancies me a bit, threw three verbal shit tests at me in rapid succession (“It was really nice of you to walk her home”, “At least she actually likes you”, and “She wasn’t going to have sex with you anyway”), which I batted away thanks to CH training. I then walked away.
There were several reasons I dumped her, but a longing to chub up, that she didn’t even bother to hide, was a definite deal-breaker.
I am curious. How did you respond to the shit tests.
Get the roommate out alone to “talk about the friend” and then segueway into how you’ve always found her more interesting because… (insert hamsterization here). Then try to smash an 8 who is slender, chances are if your game is crazy tight she will fuck her roommate over w/o hesitation.
Arguably, girls sometimes have very intense slut shields when it comes to guys their friend had sex with.
Nah, I don’t think this one does. She wouldn’t be throwing shit tests at me if she wasn’t considering getting carnal with me. Instead, she’d be kind and sweet as women normally are with cute widdow sackless teddy-bear betas (who haven’t tried hitting on them).
and then segueway into how you’ve always found her more interesting because… (insert hamsterization here).
I’ve never been able to say that kind of thing without coming off as beta. I guess that’s why I’m still stuck with mediocre 6′s, although granted that’s an improvement from nothing a year ago due to a refusal to dumpster-dive.
Good on you for that. Bottom feeding does nothing good for you or for the girl.
As one who was socially flawed in her youth, and actually flawed in her age, I can tell you that it is a flawed woman’s dream to meet a guy who will value her despite her flaws. Between the mediocre sex, and the embarrassment and shame when she finds out you’re ashamed of her, you haven’t done either any favors. Best to just pass over women you don’t feel are good enough.
and then segue into how you’ve always found her more interesting because…
… your roommate let herself go, you keep a tight ship, and you aren’t as plain [6.5] as her [8]. Simple facts, with no investment. How can I walk past you every time I come to see her? It’s not fair to her, it’s not nice, but it is what it is. (Don’t be so blunt and inappropriately generous to say “I’ve always found you more interesting” though. There’s a million ways to make that clear without being so excruciatingly on the nose.)
There is no such thing as female solidarity. If she was shit-testing you on behalf of her roommate, it was for her own purposes and interests, not to defend a sister. Stealing you from her roommate is a (shameful) bonus in the hotter one’s eyes, not an obstacle. “He just couldn’t help himself, of course he’d dump her just for a chance at me…”
Drop the hints with plausible deniability, stay aloof. (“Sorry you misinterpreted, I was just being playful.”) When she flirts in response, call her out on her treachery: how could you betray a friend? Frustrate her with teasing and refusal to verbally admit attraction even as every unspoken sign is telling her all she needs to know. She will do the rest.
Matt
This looks like a much better road map on how to proceed… thanks.
To the first one: “I wasn’t being ‘nice’, she was f***ing drunk.” (implied: …and getting really annoying.)
Second one: I replied, “What do you mean, ‘she “actually likes” you’?” and she replied “I mean, she likes you!” (I parried her insult, and got her to de-fang it.)
Third one: “That’s deh-finitely not the impression I got…” (she had taken me up to her bedroom, but I had absolutely no inclination to do anything with her, and walked out. The girl I dumped would either corroborate me, or would have to lie about what happened.)
Of course!!!
Women enjoy being small or smaller because it makes us feel feminine. Even if it is relative petiteness, say being a 5’11 girl married to a 6’6 guy. Being smaller than your husband is very important because then both of you can appreciate the sexual dimorphism between you…..
This is why it’s harder for short guys. It’s not anything to do with you. You make us feel big. That’s it. Same thing with fat girls. They make you feel small. That’s it.
Hmm, which is interesting that it’s total omegas who are “into” fat chicks, probably the same group of men who have sick cuckold fetishes- men who have accepted their total emasculation by modern society….
Well put. Additionally, I want to be the better looking of the two of the couple, adjusted for gender. Being pretty and on the arm of an ugly guy can have it’s own thrill, because folks assume he’s really got something going for him.
We know:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/women-want-to-be-with-men-less-physically-attractive-than-they-are/
I want to be prettier, but I still like good looking guys. You have to look at that mug the rest of your life (hopefully) so it can’t be grotesque. I’ve always been a sucker for a nice face.
Hey, you’re female. What do you think of Guiliana and Bill?
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/news/120416/giuliana-rancic-300.jpg
I think they are both quite attractive but he is terribly handsome and aging like wine.
he is better looking than her
When I see a hotter chick with a rather ugly guy, I assume he’s huge in at least one of two ways. The wallet, or the jock.
Great observation, Celeste (and Flavia). Very perceptive.
trolololololol
“It’s not anything to do with you. You make us feel big. That’s it. Same thing with fat girls. They make you feel small. That’s it.”
Nope, you’re right. That’s all there is to it. Short guys aren’t at a disadvantage because they are physically puny thus weak and therefore not able to achieve high status in a given tribe. It’s simply because he makes her feel big.
Fat women are simply unattractive not because they displaying a symbol of “My insulin/hormones are going wild and this the end result of my horrible, horrible disease”, but because they are bigger than the guy. Besides that they are beautiful unique snowflakes.
This is very true about height. All things being equal, I think chicks dig a guy over 6 foot, and probably subtract a point for guys under 5′ 8″, but there is much to be gained by self-selecting potential targets that would be a good physicaly match for you.
I’m 5′ 11″. I’ve only dated two girls over 5′ 7″. All but one of my LTRs were with girls 5’5″ or shorter. And I definitely got the sense with the girls I dated 5’6″ and up that they wished I were taller.
As a rule of thumb, I use a six inch rule. If you’re 5′ 9″, you need to be looking for girls in the 5′ 3″ range, for example. There are exceptions, particularly with girls 5′ 10″ or taller. They are used to dating shorter guys. But the pickiest are the girls 5′ 6″ and 5′ 7″. They seem to all want guys 6 foot or above.
As a short guy, I can definitely say that most guys have completely the wrong impression about how height works in the dating market. They basically think not-tall equals short, and that is absolutely not true.
Here’s how height actually works:
Guy is shorter than girl: -1
Guy is taller than girl: 0
Guy is much taller than girl: +1
Note that this is how it works face to face, on first impression, in whatever shoes/heels are being worn at the time.
However, since the average height for guys is 5’9″ and the average for girls is 5’4″, not-tall guys will still be taller than most girls, even factoring in shoes. Thus, he is opening her with zero advantage; aka, his height is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage.
When the guy strikes out, he mistakenly blames it on his height. But the reality is that he struck out due to bad game.
Basically, his short friends have a harder time, his tall friends have an easier time. He’s the average, but mistakenly blames his height, because he only compares himself with his taller friends. He doesn’t even realize his shorter friends have a harder time.
I’m 6’3.
Feelsgoodman.
ahahahaha, here comes the misc.
Exactly so! I would hate it if my husband was smaller than I am.
Racist.
Wouldn’t heightist be more appropriate?
(kidding , of course I know it is not a word )
I am insensitive towards the altitude challenged.
As I am insensitive towards the muscularly challenged. If there’s one thing I’ve learned since coming to the CH, that is I am entitled to my preferences, as they exist for very good reasons.
If I settle and suffer, it is my own fault, and if I refuse to settle and am alone, that is also my fault. In my opinion, it is best not to settle because in the end, what you feel isn’t heartbreak so much as it is shame.
Yeah it is.
The current minimum in order to be considered a ‘desirable male’ in the US is 6’2.
Anything below that is trouble.
Cue screeching denials from the Game Boi gallery.
Same thing with fat girls. They make you feel small. That’s it.
No. They make us feel nauseated.
Drama queen.
I guess the diet’s not going well?
+1
Having had the same problems being strong that I have being strong + fat, I have to grudgingly agree with most of this. Two kids of men flirt with me: the painfully submissive (not in the fun way) and the supermasculine extremely dominant who are usually into some brand of institutionalized or non institutionalized but organized thuggery. One type is looking for a woman to be the man, and the other is so much stronger and usually bigger than me that they are unimpressed by my size.
I seldom meet a guy who weighs less than me who relates to me as a woman. When they do, somewhere along the way it becomes clear that they’re doing something or are retired from doing something that involves an extraordinary amount of strength, endurance, or combat ability.
When I was less fat but still a fairly obviously strong, fit woman, it was about the same. There is less judgement about being a very strong woman than there is about being a fat woman, and even being fat I still don’t catch much hell offline because of the strength, but less judgement doesn’t translate to more attraction. It just is what it is. It doesn’t matter what’s fair or what should be.
It’s not complicated:low carbs (including alcohol) forever, and no whining. Just like I have to approach 500 moronic bitches holding my nose and smiling until I get it.
“Just like I have to approach 500 moronic bitches holding my nose and smiling until I get it.”
Yes, I’m sure it is very difficult indeed to find the one who is moronic enough.
One of the unspoken things a big man protects us from is OURSELVES. I’m 5’6 and 135lbs My husband is 6’2 and 220 lbs. He is way bigger than me, and although he has never said so, I’m pretty sure that if I ever cheated on him, he would not divorce me, but he would beat the crap out of me. Which I would well and truly deserve.
A big man keeps a woman honest. There is no way in hell I would ever betray him. He’s just too big.
Well, that, plus I happen to really love him.
Agreed. Feeling feminine is important…I actually like a guy who is a bit shorter than I am… but I am extremely thin and he has broad shoulders and is quite big, not fat, overall… plus he is behaves commanding but protective towards me… so I still feel feminine next to him…
That is exactly what I thought when I read the study. Sure, fat isn’t as attractive as fit, but I think the other big reason for the arrangement is what you say. Women want to feel smaller than their mates.
Don’t forget that fat is innately disgusting, just more so on women than men.
This post needs to be controlled for negro males. I could never possibly count the number of gorillas I’ve seen squiring around the disgustingly and permanently fat, both fellow negro and human. They seem to enjoy it.
Is there anywhere in the world one can live in and avoid this sight permanently?
Siberia.
Siberia is physically stunning, very similar to Alaska and Canada.
And even emptier.
Better be able to handle winter temps of -60, though.
“Fellow negro and human”
really, man? Black people aren’t human?
Get the smelling salts. Here we go.
Ahahahahahaha
You mean going after white women? They are willing to take a lower specimen because she’s white and therefore more desirable. Same thing with Asian women dating beta white males.
Four out of five black women have a body mass index above 25 percent, the threshold for being overweight or obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So what choice do they really have?
Some of the comments at the DM original article are spit out coffee hilarious and I agree with Holden, there is something inherently disgusting when looking at someone who is obese, male or female.
KUATO IS MY WINGMAN.
Being fat as a man is only a confidence killer. Very few guys who grew up fat can have the same confidence (ie game) as if they were ripped.
Therefore, no excuses. Even for guys. Get your fat asses to the gym.
One problem: BMI is a bullshit measure of one’s health/attractiveness. Lardasses and lunkheads can rate the same.
For a guy (or a girl, but especially a guy), waist to height ratio is your best indicator of fitness.
Waist / height = 0.45 for a male body builder. That’s a 34 inch waist on a 6′ guy. Note that the healthy cutoff ends at 0.5, or a 36″ waist on that same 6′ guy.
BMI does not work for men that are more muscular than average
at 5’8″ and 189 lbs I am supposed to be overweight but I am not, my pant size is 32″
I have 151/2″ arms at the bicep,
muscles are more dense than fat – in laymen terms; they weigh more than fat of the same size.
I don’t remember where I score on the BMI chart but it says I am fat or something which is beyond ludicrous
Spearhead did an article awhile back that revealed that there is no obesity epidemic if one accounts for gender differences. There is a women getting too fat epidemic.
Nah, both sexes are getting too fat. The government study is below, and it definitely shows the fat trend affecting both sexes.
http://win.niddk.nih.gov/statistics/index.htm
This is very easy to see for yourself when traveling overseas, especially to any city where people naturally walk or bike to work.
Certainly both are getting bigger, but not necessarily fatter, and even then, I’m loathe to call fatness obesity unless or until it is disfiguring or causing health problems aside of having extra fat. Nobody argues about the numbers. The question is what the numbers actually mean medically and practically.
Yes, that is very true. My husband is overweight for his BMI but that’s because he’s SWOL life 24/7. BMI is a good indicator for women though…I actually think it’s a bit lenient.
I’ve been married 20+ years – both me/hubby were thin when we married. I’ve stayed thin – he is about 15-20 pounds heavier (still thin by today’s standards). Over the course of 7 pregnancies, I was easily able to regain my girlish figure – except for one time where it took longer … and hubby very gently made rumblings that told me HE preferred the thin me. It’s a double standard, I guess – but while I’d like him to drop the extra lbs, it’s not a deal breaker for me nor does it really influence how attractive he is to me. BTW, I also enjoy being feminine and the lone time I kept some extra weight, it was the lack of feeling like a woman (and hubby) that lead me to shed the extra.
Worth noting is since I am genetically inclined to be thin (thanks mom) – and since I gained minimal and lost easily while pregnant, I was constantly on the defensive from my overweight ‘normal’ friends as to HOW (implying I was either starving or throwing up) I stay thin. Isn’t it odd that I would never ask “why are you still claiming ‘baby weight’ when your kid is 4 years old?” but THEY are ok challenging my weight??! Go figure.
You know the answer to that. It’s because being thin is a positive and being fat is a negative. For example, your friends can put you on the defensive for say, having good skin without doing much about it, but doing the opposite is horrific. Why? One is good and one is bad.
Seven pregnancies? Wow. I am on my first now and thankfully have not gained weight so far.
An interest note about thinness. It is more to do with your hunger signals than metabolism. Thin people are less hungry and get fuller faster.
Hi Liz! I love your name.
Kudos to you on shedding baby weight after 7 pregnancies….Fantastic!
Are Liz and Life of Liz the same person?
I’ve been married for 4 1/2 years and have had 3 children. I am 7 pounds heavier than I was when I got married. I don’t look fat but my body doesn’t have the “sleekness” that it used to have. I am 22 years old.
I really want to get back into shape before God decides to bless me with another.
Since I have promised not to respond to you WW, I will respond to myself. No, we aren’t the same person. You are young and will get back in shape. And 7 pounds heavier now than before, after 3 kids in less than 5 years is flipping fantastic.
I’m short though and 1 pound on me looks like 5 pounds on a tall girl.
I’m sure you look amazing. In spite of my internet persona, I am insecure about my looks…every single female on the planet is insecure about her looks. With so much at stake, how couldn’t we be?
Candidly (which you won’t get from me in this place very often), I’ve been around some celebrities and they don’t look anything like their pictures and they too (even people on the top of sexiest on the planet list) don’t feel secure. What you hear is more generally, “makeup!” (for this or that zit) and/or “put on the hair extensions!” It ain’t glam. It’s all bullshit.
Tits or GTFO.
It’s because being thin became such a big issue that people are starving, throwing up, taking drugs, and getting surgery to be thin. Even healthy sized people were catching hell for being too fat. Nobody would be worried about it if it wasn’t being shoved down our throats day in and day out for decades.
The teens now are in the first generation since feminism that is being taught that fat may not be such a killer in and of itself, within reasonable limits, but they’re still not being taught how to eat well. The whole issue is wrapped up in feminist ideology that fat or thin, preaches men and women are the same except genitally, despite scientific proof to the contrary, and eating animals is bad, and fat is bad so you should essentially eat more sugar.
So you’re being challenged about your weight because people think it’s their place to challenge other people about their weight. Welcome to the club. Your card and pin number will be sent separately.
Seven pregnancies. Now there is a woman who is interested in the future of her republic! Have seven more.
Wait, are you white?
Funny how much that pisses women off, isn’t it? I gained a ton of weight with all three of my pregnancies (like, 60 lbs!) and I also lost it. I weigh two pounds more after three kids than I did the day I met my husband in college. And no, I’m not naturally thin. Bullshit.
I’m not sure what the protocols for posting are, but I write about why women are so goddamn fat at my blog http://www.judgybitch.com. I think it has a whole lot to do with just not giving a shit about men. Why not be fat? Nothing any man can do about it. It’s a “fuck you” to men when women, especially young women, are fat.
And not losing weight after pregnancy is a very effective way of telling your husband he no longer matters to you. How nice.
You’re exactly right, JB. I think I was thinner after my last son, by the 5th month after his birth, than I had been since college (maybe highschool). Kids are outstanding exercise (if you don’t rely on the television as a nanny).
If you care for your spouse you will take care of yourself. As life partners, spouses are a reflection on each other.
Rape!
Wait, wrong thread….
There’s always room for rape.
It’s like Jell-O.
That’s my girl.
That’s our Rape-accini.
I’m so proud *sniff*.
Let’s not forget the main difference between bigger men and bigger women: muscle mass.
A 5’8″, 210 pound guy (if he lifts weights or has a labor-intensive job) will probably have 20″ arms and legs like tree trunks. Women will overlook a big gut if the owner of that gut has a visible penis and his arms can lift her over his head (Babe Ruth game FTW!)
A 5’5″, 210 pound woman, OTOH, is far more likely to have habits like
Sitting on her ever-widening ass
Competitive doughnut eating
“Liking” pictures of Beth Ditto and Rebel Wilson on Facebook
Bragging about that time she got fucked by a blackout-drunk John Cena in Philadelphia
Always remember, Rey Misterio (5’5″, 185lb) and “that fat chick at the bar”(5’5″, 185lb) are both obese. Which one is more likely to be seen in public with a HB10?
“A 5’5″, 210 pound woman…”
Thanks for that visual image. Great way to start the day. You do have a point, tho.
“Is there anything feminism ISN’T wrong about?”
No. Thank you for asking.
“Is there anything feminism ISN’T wrong about?”
You’d be surprised how many truths are buried beneath the thick veneer of bullshit on feminism. To take just one example, a favorite phrase of feminism:
“A woman can do anything a man can do.”
We all know this is blatantly untrue, but with a little tweaking it’s close to the truth:
“A woman can do anything a modern man does.”
In an age where the jobs of burly union members are being outsourced to be done by little chinese girls, this statement is pretty close to the mark. Thanks to technology, men have innovated and engineered themselves into superfluity.
Is there anything feminism ISN’T wrong about?
I loathe the day something is found that feminism is right about. Because the harpies will hammer that fact to counterbalance all the wrong.
Hey the wimmin folk earn 77 cents on the dollar damnit!!!!!
I read it in an article by manjaw.
Except when you adjust for hours worked and/or time taken off…ooops, feminism got it wrong again!!
So where does that leave facially attractive and bodily attractive men? With so few attractive ladies around today (most are overweight, and even the ‘thin’ ones aren’t necessarily attractive), and the female preference for less fit, less attractive men, do I have any other choice but to settle?
Move to Eastern Europe.
^^^–This. Living in DC has only one benefit, foreigners. I haven’t tried to get with an Americunt in years. My last long term GFs were EEs and a Persian, respectively. I fucking marvel at what I see out which is average to in some cases very fit dudes walking around with hippos on their arm. How sad is the creature called the Western Male to have to deal with ego-inflated pigs are their only sexual outlet.
Not sure where you are coming from, but girls still prefer fit, attractive guys.
They just prefer game more.
The difference being a fat, unattractive guy with game is in a 1 strike and you’re out scenario, while a fit, attractive guy gets 3 strikes before he’s out.
Are you nuts? Women don’t prefer “less fit, less attractive men;” they just don’t value looks as highly as men do in women, and men can more easily overcome a bad boy/bad face with women than vice-versa.
I’ve never known physical attractiveness to be a handicap for anyone. It doesn’t make up for all short comings, though. Narcissism, for instance, is extremely unattractive. Do you own a loofah?
you can go gay.
after all, sexual orientation is a social construct.
Awesome, the Simple Pickup guys made it onto Jezebel. I haven’t even read the article yet but I’m sure it’s full of implications that they’re evil rapists lol
http://jezebel.com/5967279/meet-the-nice-guy-pickup-artists
I wonder how it’ll go over considering the Simple Pickup guys are pretty much the nicest friendliest funniest PUA types around the net these days…it’s easy to make fun of creepy Mystery and Tyler, but even to the mainstream public the SP guys are generally just goofing around. Plus they have an Asian and Indian guys of average height/looks who do well with chicks, so they’re underdogs busting stereotypes left and right really. I imagine the general reaction to this article will be a lot more “jesus lighten up” lol
Don’t let Scray hear how these average looking guys are doing well with women and busting stereotypes. We might have to hear another woe is more tale about the ONE girl that shut him down when he did a tucked up approach.
*woe is me tale
*fucked up approach
lol I actually left him an encouraging reply when I saw his longer thread where it sounds like he’s actually interested in trying to figure his shit out. I thought he was just pissing and moaning like that Wolfie guy at first but it sounds like he’s working on it so good on him and I have to give him props for it. But my posts are all doing that thing where they don’t show up until next week sometime
Also the initial wave of “look at those evil evil menz” feminists/whiteknights set in on that article, but I’m hoping it spreads around and some calm rational gamer types lighten things up there. It’s amazing how they can ignore all the positive responses from the girls in the video and just pick out the really offensive shit to paint the SP guys with. brb video of 10 girls laughing and smiling and giving their numbers and 1 girl being offended TAR AND FEATHER THE BASTARDS!!11 lol
Ah well, more publicity for them at least. I like their shit, they make PUA look a lot less creepy and weird than the Mystery generation did (even though Mystery Method is still rock solid and the concepts are still there inside all these different styles of pickup, the way of executing it back then was easy to mock).
Jezebel article made me so upset. They HONESTLY want their cake and eat it too. Can’t be manipulative and aggressive… no way. Can’t be nice and aggressive……creepy! They really expect Hugh Jackman to swoop in with an indirect opener followed by a compliment on how they have a unique sense of fashion.
Anyways, my earlier comment to Scray got modded as well so hopefully he takes a read of this. I had one of those 1 out of every 20 nights out kind of night saturday. I got shut down by maybe 5 girls and opened another 15. None of them were harsh at all but even when it wasn’t positive I was still able to sit back and try to look objectively as to why happened.
Scray, you should to the same. This girl didn’t reject you in as much as she rejected your method of doing it.
-Was your body language to direct (were you facing her?)
-Did you use any kind of opener? Or did you literally just come up and start dancing with her?
-Did you have any kind of social proof at the venue? Were you seen talking/flirting with girls? Did your crew of awesome players come with any girls? Are you cool enough to go to one of those girls and say hey “I want you to be my wingwoman.”
-What was your style of dress like?
-Did she notice you checking her out for a few seconds, psyche yourself out, go to the bar for one more beer and then meekly come back 10min later?
-What was your eye contact like?
-What was your overall vibe like?
I actually spent all saturday evening/afternoon just being chatty with my friend while we were out and about in NYC. Clerks, fellow bus riders, the guy who flipped my burger @ Black Burger, the two female concierge at the front desk, chatted up the group of girls outside the hotel at the cab stand after my friend opened them, chatted up my buddies group of friends from college even though I didn’t know them and didn’t see the point,etc etc.
Did you do any of this before you went out? Did you try and start by just opening ANY girl just to warm up?
And even if you did a lot of things right you still might get shit on for being at the wrong place/wrong time. Call the bitch out if she really deserves it but I ask you this this: If your approach could be better, and if you were to do it 100 times you would get rejected 70% because it’s not tight enough, then don’t get all butt-hurt and discouraged. It ain’t nothing wrong with you buddy just in the way you’re trying to do it. Separate the two from your identity/ego/whatever and you will have really awesome nights where getting rejected 5 times in one night ( yeah I know ) doesn’t phase you.
You can sit back, recap the exchange and not take it as personal. It would have happened to MOST people if they did it the same way.
Btw Scray. Sure, if you are not good-looking then YES it is difficult to go with the direct branch game if you are lacking in other areas (body language, social proof, style, etc).
Why not try other ways of opening at the club?
I remember the last venue I went to this weekend it was very intimidating. Tons of amogs, fine women, I didn’t know the venue. It took me 5-10min to talk myself into approaching this 7 near the VIP section with her group of friends. If I would have went up and started dancing like you did then I would have probably got the snarl, the backturn, or the laugh. Or a white-knight orbiter getting up in my face.
As soon as she glimpsed at me for a second I confidently walked over, paused,and told her that if she “was going to stare at me like that she might as well say something; I’m not just some piece of meat, I have feelings too.”
The result? She laughed. Told me I was “crazy” and kept dancing; except her body was turned toward me now. I talked for like maybe 20+ more seconds before I could tell it died down and I gracefully ejected. I definitely fucked it up right after I opened but I did not get shot down in the classic sense of the term. If I did maybe 3-4 things right with my verbal/nonverbal right after then it could have been successful; but I was too nervous to be my natural smooth self in that scenario.
But even then, no harsh feelings. I had over a dozen GOOD interactions that night and was legit proud of doing the direct and not getting blown out. You can make up your own line or whatever but there’s more than one way of skinning the cat. Sounds like you did the middle-school 8th grade dance routine whereas you just come up from behind and grind. Lord almighty.
‘Sounds like you did the middle-school 8th grade dance routine whereas you just come up from behind and grind. Lord almighty.’
Lol…it’s hard to hear anything on the dancefloor.
I think the whole reason that they hate PUA so much is that they see these guys as interlopers in the mating market.
They look at guys that should be betas that aren’t worthy of their golden pussies and recoil in disgust that they will sneak on in there. Women want the real McCoy. They want guys that have it figured out from birth, they don’t want imitations learning how to seduce them.
The real joke is that by wanting only natural alpha, these women have created super betas. The SMP equivalent of MRSA staph. They killed off the normal betas and only the strong have survived. And guess what, the super betas aren’t going to fall for your shit, they are going to pump and dump and never ever think about committing to some feminist perversion of a woman. Just as staph is crippling people with lifelong aliments, super betas will bring the marriage to desirable men to it’s knees.
“The real joke is that by wanting only natural alpha, these women have created super betas. ”
Interesting theory. You’re probably right.
They look at guys that should be betas that aren’t worthy of their golden pussies and recoil in disgust that they will sneak on in there.
True. Righteous.
Yeah man I hear you. I just think it’s a noteworthy failure of mine. I mean, most of my original post is about the -merits- of just approaching. I mean, win or lose, I realize that it makes you more of a man anyway. But yeah…hey, I’m out there. I feel fortunate to be in a group of people that thinks just going out and getting strange ass is important — most guys seem to just stand around and do nothing.
Nice adjective you put in there. “Unique sense of fashion” might make for a good neg because it cuts both ways.
I’m tired of conversations between you two.
Get a room!
It’s kismet. Don’t mess with it, h8r.
There’s been a lot of discussion lately about whether “nice guys” can be rapists. The answer is no; you can not be “tricked” or “confused” into raping anyone.
The More You Know
/shooting star
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The only thing you have to remember about the Jizzawhores is that they’ll never be satisfied with anything.
In other words, Jezebel women are why Muslim men beat their wives.
…they’ll never be satisfied with anything.
In other words, Jezebel women are why Muslim men beat their wives.
I agree
I’m not sure how you got “Fat Women And Fat Men Aren’t Equally Repulsive” from this study. The study says that women with lower BMIs than their husband were happier. This does not mean their husbands were fat. BMI will indicate a man with lots of muscle mass and relatively normal body fat is overweight. Physically attractive males have almost always scored higher BMIs than physically attractive females. This is even true in the current obesity epidemic.
I think it is foolish to say they aren’t equally repulsive, especially since fat women will almost always have an easier time finding a mate than fat men.
I think it is foolish to say they aren’t equally repulsive, especially since fat women will almost always have an easier time finding a mate than fat men.
They’ll have an easier time finding a mate somebody to dump a fuck in them, but that’s true for women in general. Unless the sow moves to a town next to an army base, she’ll have trouble finding a husband.
I’m glad somebody spotted this. BMI is a function of height and weight. Men are broader and denser than women. It is possible for a man to be overweight and have a low body fat percentage, it is virtually impossible for a woman to do the same. Even the upper category of female bodybuilders barely go overweight.
Every time BMI is discussed on a women’s forum, plenty of fatties chime in and say how “muscular” they are because they walk their dog twice a day or some nonsense. Reality is, BMI UNDERESTIMATES true obesity (body fat percentage over 35) in women. However, men are about as likely to be miscategorized as overweight with a low body fat percentage as falsely categorized as a healthy weight with a high body fat percentage.
BMI is, for all its’ simplicity, a very accurate measurement of someone’s body composition and works just fine for about 95%+ of the population. The numbers only go out of whack at the very extreme ends of the scale, i.e. giants, dwarfs, body builders, who show up as ‘obese’ even if they’re not.
But we all know that extremes are the Googlie Internet Nerds’ stock-in- trade……
Yes! I agree. BMI is a terrible indicator of obesity for men, but even women who fall on the high end of a normal BMI could usually stand to lose a few pounds. I think a BMI of 19-21 is ideal for a woman, give or take one or two points for frame and musculature.
Speaking of feminism:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gunmen-kill-senior-womens-activist-in-afghanistan/2012/12/10/956957a0-42a1-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop
As much as Afghanistan is a stone age cesspool, it does warm my heart a bit to watch how feminists fare in a country where the men don’t cooperate with their agenda.
I like how one of the first comments on that page is some woman saying 10 random men and boys should be killed for each woman assassinated. Even young boys are considered expendable to feminists, and then they wonder why the men over there are not willing to give them one inch.
Feminism is definitely wrong about junk food, portion size, and the effects beer drinking has on precious.
Been seeing a lot of college age fat women roaming the gym with little cute pot bellies rationalizing that those twenty minutes of cardio a day allow her to have cheat days EVERY single day. Most women in the gym used to be fit, now most are fat and ugly.
It’s not necessarily “cheat days.” It’s that a lot of them embrace the vegan or vegetarian lifestyle and in doing so, substitute so-called “healthy carbs” for mean, and blow up like balloons. On average, I’d have to say vegan chicks I know are fatter because they eat this way and won’t question it because it ‘s supposedly healthy.
20 minutes on the treadmill while being firmly Ipodded AND watching ‘The View’ entitles her to a triple-extra mocha latte with whipped cream and 3 donuts.
100 calories burned, 1500 re-supplied.
Quick question, since theres a great deal more beta and omega males (approx=90% of the male population), than they are alpha’s, theoretically couldn’t all the betas and omega’s get together and either:
1. vote on policys that favors betas (ie, smaller welfare state)
2. kick alpha’s out, and policys that require all the females to stay.
I mean its certainly more of us than it is of them, and majority rules right?
I think the results of the last election pretty much answer your question. Given that the majority of women wants the alpha dick you are already up against a large part of the population (unmarried women overwhelmingly vote Democrat).
White knights gonna white knight…
That’d be great if it weren’t for the fact that women also vote, and they hate betas and omegas as much as they love the nanny state. And a goodly chunk of pedestalizing white knighting betas/omegas will go along with them.
Good post – I must say that even in public places, fat men don’t repulse me as much as do fat women. Probably because we men are programmed to look for fit females, so unfit ones repulse us. Possibly this is also because fat women insist on rubbing our faces in their varicose-veined jelly rolls, with their sleeveless tight blouses and shorts. Fat people should wear modest mu-mus
“Marriage is more satisfying when…”
Getting stabbed is more satisfying when stabbed in the ass or thigh than in the arm or chest
Of course, the most satisfying thing is simply not getting stabbed
This response needs more love. Considering this is the era of marriage 2.0, it is best for men not to sign the slavery contract.
If you want a lifetime commitment, you do have to take into account that life isn’t always ideal, so people aren’t always going to be ideal. It’s not commitment if you can’t handle life.
If you don’t want to deal with that then don’t commit and definitely don’t marry. If you do marry then whatever whims you allow the woman to take up, she will because women are generally more socially dependent. If you don’t go hard and stay hard, you will lose relevance compared to the herd.
At the moment, the herd is telling women that it’s ideologically okay to be fat since it’s men’s fault somehow, but that they should get surgery or take drugs to fix it. If you don’t want to be married to either a fat woman, a woman on amphetamines, or a woman getting her guts cut up and rerouted every few years, go natural and make sure she understands this is the law in your house.
Is there no accounting for age in this? I agree wholeheartedly that if you want to embark on an LTR or marriage that it is hugely important that the woman does not bloat up like so many do. However, young chubby chicks rock my world. Big firm tits and arses, tight pussy and lots of eagerness to please is a winning combo. My wife was a chubster through her 20′s, I married her when she was 30 and now after 2 kids she is fit and slim but amazingly her tits have stayed nice and full and not too saggy at 40. So I guess she reversed the trend.
Anyway, just a vote for 18-25 pneumatic sex machines from me and a mention that really scrawny chicks turn me off and, I’d suggest, are often high T with small tits and no curves. None of you concede that curves are correlated with femininity?
[Heartiste: I suspect you are a troll, but if not, here is your answer:
http://i.imgur.com/t3ORi.png
Slender does not equal “scrawny with small tits and no curves”. But nice strawfatchick.]
Is there anything feminism ISN’T wrong about?
Some feminists like roller derby. Roller derby is ‘aight.
Who’s surprised by this? We’ve all seen hot, petite women with doughy dudes. It’s not a matter of one gender being more concerned about physical appearance, it’s just that we’re looking for different things.
Women are naturally attracted to men who are physically massive in one way or another, because being large and intimidating are inherently masculine traits. Men see things the same way and will naturally be turned off by overweight women as they too seem masculine.
I have a question ,
My girlfriend’s massage therapist was a female, she quit and now the only one available is a heterosexual male
I told her I don’t want another man touching her naked body, or I will put an end to our relationship
Am I right ?
I have no problem with my husband having a female masseuse. He’s coming home to me afterward.
If she came home to me right after…maybe… but We don’t live together,
she is over 30 miles away
Afterward, not in the literal sense of her leaving him and driving to you but returning to you on a regular basis.
If she’s going to bail on your for the dude who gets paid to massage her, you don’t need her anyway.
I’m a man and I piss while standing up.
What’s your point?
Better keep up your end of the Happy Endings, toots.
(pssst… it’s different for guys than girls)
Yeahhhhhhhhhh, that’s not a problem. I have to be alpha-ish for work because I work in a predominately male industry and that’s the only way to garner respect, but that’s not at home…
Thanks for caring, though
Ah, the chateau attracts yet another superwoman!
Frat-boy network slayer by day… by night, Stepford wife with Über-alpha hubby.
For the record, nobody asked you about your work, sugarteats.
Nice job trying to marginalize me. If that makes you feel better, so be it.
Oh, but that’s for sharing.
I wasn’t marginalizing… I was margerinizing… it’s cheaper than trying to butter you up.
OMG…just saw this.
So now you’re flirting outrageously with another woman right in front of me? An obvious gold-digger (Babs is rich, but careful…no one puts Babs in a corner…).
You call this “flirting outrageously”?
You ain’t seen nuthin’… I’m not even into the A material yet.
Yeah, OCD (awesome handle, btw), don’t offer any personal anecdotes about yourself, even if it’s to address a direct assertion, or answer a question. They like empty, blank verbal palettes here. Tell them you weigh 500 pounds, work at the gas station, or wipe up at the peep show for a living.
All aboard as the Cunty Snark sets sail… Harpy Bizarre will be your tour guide.
You euphoniously illustrative devil!
That’s it… I’m heading over to Jared’s… what’s your ring size, baby?
I’m very very hurt that you don’t know my size.
It’s like we hardly know each other!
Wait….do I look fat in this? You think this dress makes me look fat, don’t you? Bastard.
The peter meter says “Good for big women and small cattle”… so we good, right?
Not bad, yet I feel fragile now.
I need to deliberate with my pal Oprah.
Yes.
A masseur ain’t a doctor… dump her.
Learn massage. It’s not brain surgery.
That’s her job.
I do not have formal training but I’m actually good at it – she likes my massages – but she wanted an osteopath to try and do something about her stubborn back pain.
she is convinced osteopaths can fix everything
she started with a woman, but that woman quit and now it is that man who is not gay, thus not to be trusted.
She is a hot looking woman, blond, blue eyes, she is an 8, her superb D size breasts could be on the cover of Playboy, I don’t want any man looking or touching her naked body as any man with a pulse would have a hard on for he,r and we all know what a man with hard on will want do to a hot naked woman on a bed that he is alone with behind closed doors……right?
Compromise. Just make sure the masseuse is a faggot. You don’t want her to get breast reduction for her back, do ya?
dude, you’re overreacting. a hetero guy can totally rub oil all over a hottie’s d cup titties without wanting to jizz all over them.
In some old Woody Allen movie, the writer explains that a guy is most likely to start to question the existence of God right after his wife starts taking on the lard-flesh. There you have it, ladies. “Letting yourself go” in actual fact will condemn the man you supposedly love to the eternal flames of Hell.
Have another deep fried sugary donut!! . Ummm- good!! Just loosen that belt and give yourself a well deserved hug of fat-self-love.
White girl makes fun of Serena Williams
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/tramlines/wozniacki-hilarious-serena-impression-112139895.html
I aint mad; imitation is the best form of flattery.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Can anybody translate what the commentator is saying?
I used to like women’s (girl’s) tennis as a kid. Then those bead-braided, screeching monkeys came along and ruined it forever. Not even a sweaty swaying Danish piece like Caroline Wozniacki could bring me back. Forever unclean.
Interesting how a stacked body like Serena’s could be utterly repulsive to me. It’s cartoonish in its exaggeration, and usually squeezed into tight shit that leaves nothing to the imagination. No subtlety, no delicacy. Her broad shoulders aren’t the only masculine thing about her..
Dat azzzzzz! Badonkadonk. *retch*
I’d say thwack can keep her, but I know he wants the milk-skinned Beckys too.
Matt
Do you think the too-tight clothing plays into the black culture of overt, obscene sexuality or just a matter of convenience for the game? And when I refer to overt, obscene sexuality, I’m thinking of nine year olds ‘popping’ their asses, the women you see on the streets wearing clothes that would make a prostitute blush, the video we’ve all seen of the children emulating sex at a party with either no adult supervision or might-as-well-be-no adult supervision. If you have to shave to wear a skirt, and I don’t mean your legs, then you shouldn’t be wearing it in public. Save that for the bedroom. Granted, a lot of white people are picking up on that, too, now, but it seems to have started in the black community.
Ugh, and NOTHING is more disgusting than a big, fat person, male or female, white, brown, yellow or black, wearing clothes that leave nothing to the imagination. Overweight and happy, fine, but wear proper fitting clothes. If your back looks like cleavage, don’t wear that shirt. cOVER IT UP. Ugh, so gross. Eww.
+1
Serena Williams shouldn’t be playing other girls, she’s a foot taller than they are and oputweighs ‘em by half a person.
That’s how she gets to just caveman-club them right off the court.
Pit her asgainst Rafa, they can just grunt each other to death.
Yes but…did you know both sisters were beaten by some dude who ranked 200th or so, and was smoking throughout the match?
From Wiki: In 1998, 203rd ranked male player Karsten Braasch took on Venus Williams and beat her 6–2. He also played Serena Williams and won 6–1 after the Williams sisters, who were 17 and 16 at the time, said they could beat any man ranked 200 or worse. Braasch was 15 years older than Serena and Venus, and had drunk 2 beers and played one round of golf that morning.[20] Braasch said afterwards, “500 and above, no chance” as he claimed he had played like someone ranked 600 in order to keep the game “fun.”[21] Yannick Noah and Justine Henin also played a match. The Frenchman won 4–6, 6–4, 7–6.[22]
Martina Navaratolova (sp?) once admitted that, even in her prime, she wouldn’t seed in the top 100 of the men’s game.
Matthew King (King A)
Interesting how a stacked body like Serena’s could be utterly repulsive to me. It’s cartoonish in its exaggeration, and usually squeezed into tight shit that leaves nothing to the imagination. No subtlety, no delicacy. Her broad shoulders aren’t the only masculine thing about her.
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Its “cartoonish” to YOU because you cannot accept the phenomenon called the black woman; especially one that routinely crushes your precious “Becky” in court.
From an evolutionary perspective, womens tennis demonstrates all the qualities men values in a woman *if he could only have one* That is the key to its popularity among men; that’s why you watch it. “Masculine” is a relative term; relative to the observer. Just because you are a pussy doesn’t mean Serena is any less feminine. It just means you would have married her when she was 14 because that’s all you are confident you could have handled.
All female tennis pros (if they are any good) have pronounced masculine qualities because their craft requires it. The fact that Serena clearly appears more than capable of producing, suckling and defending a baby… just makes her more attractive from an evolutionary perspective.
But only to real men.
Womens professional tennis is not a beauty pageant, its not a popularity contest… it’s a war. Your flaccid comments about Serena are a weak attempt to compensate for and distribute your own insecurity about your own masculinity (what little of it you obviously have).
Please miss me with that ball-less rhetoric.
Serena has said she has no interest in black men.
‘Course not.
She knows them.
Thwack could turn her.
I don’t think it’s a matter of acceptance. He just doesn’t like it. It’s you who has to accept that.
She is also dating Patrick Mouratoglou, who is her coach, white, very rich and founded some fancy posh tennis school, take away from that what you may. Patrick seems beta to me, there are pics of him holding her purse. I am huge Serena Williams fan btw. Would I want to look like her? Nah, but I think her body is “wow”.
It would have been funnier if she’d added blackface.
Hilarity ensues!
The observations about BMI and happiness in this article are true in my marriage.
You can’t compare a man’s BMI to a woman’s; A healthy man will always have a significantly higher BMI than a healthy women: Taller = higher BMI, broad shoulders = higher BMI, thicker bones = higher BMI, big muscles = higher BMI, huge penis = higher BMI.
For example, my BMI is over 25 (overweight apparently) yet I have no easily visible fat on me (I’ve got a visible six pack in fact), where as a women with BMI of 26 is a big fat hefa.
Likewise, a women with a BMI of 21 is a sexy little creature, where as a Man with a BMI of 21 is not a man at all, but a puny little dweeb.
In summary, I think you’ve drawn the wrong conclusion from this, the fact is that the ideal woman has BMI of 19-23 (slender and petite), where as the ideal man has BMI of 23-27 (tall, broad and muscular).
A better conclusion would have been this – BMI is totally meaningless bullshit, especially for men.
That said I still agree with your conclusion, that looks are more important to men than women. I just think this “study” is a about as useful as one of my farts…… actually that’s unfair on my farts, at least my farts are hilarious.
Utter crap.
BMI works the same on men and women.
The formula for BMI is weight over height (squared).
Since a man has higher muscle density, and muscle weighs more than fat, he is correct.
Yes it does work the same.
It doesn’t mean the same though.
Let me dumb it down a notch so hopefully you can understand:
Men are bigger than women, and not just taller.
Women hoard cats because they’re simulacras of aloof asshole alpha males:
I hate cats.
They hate you too.
You meant “NAWALT”
Is it me, or does this guy sound like a PUA in training? http://ialwayschoosetheasshole.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/man-x/; this is what a guy’s PU attempt looks like from the woman’s POV.
Seems like he’s getting a failing grade
He does seem a bit overenthusiastic, and it also appears that he did not make an alpha-enough impression on the girl when he first hit her up for her number.