A reader, whom I will assume for purposes of this post is not a troll, wrote:
I wanted to run a theory by you and get your thoughts, since a lot of what is said on your blog resonates with me. Awhile back you posted in “Do Fat Girls Get More Sex?” that 99 out of 100 men would choose a non-fatty over a fatty any day of the week. Now, don’t get me wrong – hogbeasts are a huge bonerkill for me – but (and I know this is anecdotal) I’ve known a LOT of men who profusely claim left and right that they prefer fatties. Your argument was that these guys are losers – and in the general case, I’d agree. But some of these guys have appeared, at least to me, to have a lot of game – they’ll flirt around with skinnier girls and the women will seem very interested. They’ll proceed to leave the hot girl and go home with some chubster.
First, I’d have a problem accepting your premise. I have not known a few men, let alone a lot of men, who claimed to prefer fatties. This sounds like feminist fantasy-speak, which is like Newspeak, except more implausible. Now, of the tiny number of men who I’ve come across who did claim they preferred fatties, all of them were nerdy, fat or possessed some other charmless personality flaw that would sufficiently account for their claimed preference. A classic case of inverted sour grapes as ever existed.
(Sour grapes is when a loser pretends that an unattainable hot chick is undesirable in some ridiculously unbelievable way to salve his ego. Inverted sour grapes is when a loser pretends that the ugly, fat chicks he can realistically get are the bees’ knees of beauty.)
As for these chubby chasers you “know” who supposedly “have game”, taking your word at face value, I have a few explanations:
1. They’re black men.
I don’t care who’s bothered by me mentioning this, if you’ve spent any time in mixed company or at da clubs, you can’t help but notice that black men, especially during end-of-night garbage hour, are the least discriminating race and will hump a fucking dirigible farting explosive helium gas if it meant getting their rocks off. For whatever reason — name your bogeyman: culture, genes, hormones — black dudes can seemingly get it up for the nastiest land whales a white or asian guy wouldn’t shake his flaccid dick at from ten meters. Does this mean black men *prefer* fat chicks? No. The mate choices of elite black men like actors and athletes attest to the fact that they will choose hot slender (dusky-white) babes when they can. But it does mean that, absent the choice, black men are more willing to spelunk belly folds and then rationalize it as a love for BBW, excuse me, curvy women.
(I do think, btw, that black men prefer a somewhat rounder, heftier rump on women. Baby got back, and all that. This is not the same as preferring a grotesque cottage cheese rippled fat rump roast.)
2. They’re men who missed out on the hottie and still have a leftover boner.
Let’s say these guys you know have game, and spent the night delighting slim girls with their charms. Sometimes, they aren’t going to close the deal. But their interactions with all those cute, thin chicks have left them with half-mast bonies, and now they are horny *and* halfway to ejaculating. In that state of groin, some men will be tempted to relieve themselves in chubsters who are 20 pounds overweight with egos which are 20 pounds underweight, and, more relevantly, who are easier to seduce. The men are already on an emotional high, so it’s a hop skip and jump away from positive nonsexual rapport with slender babes to negative sexual rapport with chubby chalupas. Younger men who have no state control are usually the worst perpetrators of the backup biggun bang.
3. They’re insecure men who lack the inner game to believe they really deserve the hotties.
This is my favorite explanation, because I have known men like this, and witnessed them in action. These are the guys who have great outer game, who can jive with the cute girls, get them pumped and laughing, and then….
booop booooop boooooooop
fizzle.
They lack the one necessary ingredient that separates the players from the poseurs: a rock solid belief in their value. They can’t close the deal when it matters. They know the tricks, and are socially savvy, and are probably pretty funny too, but when push comes to shove they balk and retreat to the demilitarized zone where they can practice their target shooting on 4s, 5s and 6s with no fear of territory loss. Why fat chicks? Think about this: One ONE-HUNDREDTH of the outer AND inner game you use on a hard 10 would be overkill on a chubby 4. The path of least resistance is an evil that some men will abide, and in doing so contribute to the plague of fat chicks thinking they will suffer no SMV consequences for their gluttony and sloth.
So my theory is that, evolutionarily, there might be something else going on here. What if this is an evolved response to cuckoldry? Fat women are, I’d wager, less likely to stray because they are inherently aware that they are sitting smack at the bottom of the SMV scale – and, of course, they get approached less. So, while it isn’t ideal to throw your seed into a fatty receptacle, it might be more likely to result in a child that is the product of your own genes. Perhaps some men have evolved to take advantage of this “benefit” in lieu of a different strategy?
Thoughts?
Your theory is interesting but I think my psychological (and biological) diagnoses above are more directly applicable. For your theory to have traction in the real world, we would have to presume the men who chubby chase are not, in fact, winners with game. Because winners with game would not be afraid of their women cuckolding them. Nor would they resort to fucking fat chicks when they have the goods to fuck hot thin chicks.
Losers, otoh, would be afraid of cuckoldry, at least subconsciously. So for your theory to hold water, chubby chasers would need to be low value men who correctly identify fat chicks as “sure things” from their gene’s-eye view. If anything, the greater likelihood of fat chicks to “accidentally” forget to use contraceptives (because they might not get the chance at sex again for a long while) mitigates against high value men risking a night of sloppy, ham-smashing passion with them.
There’s one guy I went to summer camp with that got first dibs on pussy every year. Shortstop on the softball team, legendary alpha personality, etc.
One year he came back to camp, otherwise seemingly the same guy, and practically from day 1, gave up the hot chicks and fucked every fattie. I’m not talking 4s. He fucked the 1s, the girls that were thentofore considered completely unfuckable, girls who its quite possible in the 31 years since haven’t even been fucked again, thats how foul some of them were. I didn’t even to go camp that year, and kept hearing the stories from those who were there, and it was still the talk of the camp on alumni day in midsummer.
He apparently did way too much acid at a Zeppelin concert a few months before. I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it, but its the only thing I can think of ..
Iceman, back me up on this.
My guts ache from laughing at this post.
A YOUNG fattie is one thing; it’s the old ones that are gross.
Actually, women are supposed to fatter than men since their biological role is the conversion of food into biomass (ie babies). A slight plumpness in a young woman is a sign of fertility.
If I can easily see a woman’s bones or see nothing but “ripped” muscle, I am NOT turned on.
Was she a great big fat person?
feminist fantasy-speak, which is like Newspeak
doubleplus ungood.
explosive helium gas
nope. hydrogen is explosive (see: Hindenburg) but helium is inert and non-explosive (see: most airships post-Hindenburg). The explosive gas in farts is methane.
Chubby chasers are real- I think some of it may have to do with childhood experiences or early-adulthood first sexual experiences- which can have a disproportionate influence on sexual tastes thereafter.
Actually, farts have hydrogen too.
Is the name of the game who can get the 10 or who can get the 10 the easiest?
Given the parameters you have created in this post you present a valid point. I am validating 6′s and below by interacting with them, lets just make soap out of all of them! D:
Seriously though. If the sexual market is so visceral, so predetermined, is it not every mans job who cannot forge a perfect inner game to be as tyrannical as possible? Is that not hell on fucking earth?
Is this not the cost of equidistance? To see your better, hordes of them, fuck every girl you can’t think of approaching and every potential mother of your son?
Apologetically weeded out of the gene pool with friendzones and zeros in your bank account.
This makes my heart cold as death bony hands choking the last bit of life out of the american dream.
In general I think you are correct, what people are willing to settle for is not necessarily what they want. But one of my closest friends for many years now has some major game. When he was single he had a small herd of adoring of hot women and devoted strippers, there was in fact an unhappy incident when the ‘weekend women’ showed up at a time ordinarily allocated for the ‘weekday women’. I am afraid by any standard or yardstick I know, the man knows what he is about with highly desirable women. He is also married to a slender blond, yet prefers, by his own admission larger women. We’re not talking some Oprah class warship, but definitely larger. I guess by porn star standards, Kerry Marie, Audra Mitchell, Victoria lane kind of thing going. Not that they cannot be made to look hot with enough work, but this guy was and is, even married, up to his ears in the kind of women virtually everybody wants. Not my tastes personally, but in the end, it should be about what you want, not what other people celebrate you for having.
And I know a guy who wants to kill himself. Evo psych is good at predicting trends, but there’s always individual variation.
Q: What do you call a 300 pound woman?
A: Fat.
A: A sex doll.
A: Worthless
Isn’t the phrase “chubby chaser” some sort of misnomer? I mean, if the person is that chubby, they probably can’t run too fast so there would be very little actual “chasing” going on. In fact, you could probably outrun them much less catch them.
On a serious note, has anyone seen this pathetic illustration called “Wrong Century” by Beta artist Tomas Kucerovsky. It “depicts the fate of plus-size beauty in the modern age.” Give me a fucking break. Last I heard, going on a diet was a pretty good way to change “fate.” There are people with serious disabilities and problems; I have little sympathy for fatties.
Here is a link. Try not to throw up at the description of this overfed fattie, who repulses even in cartoon form: http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=2500
Wrong century huh. Ever seen what smallpox looks like?
(And if she’d been alive in any other century but this one she’d probably have been thin, too.)
Of all place, National Review Online had this pertinent quote from Teddy Roosevelt today, in the “Impromptus” column:
“Teddy Roosevelt was many, many things in life. He was not a chubby-chaser. Here he is upon viewing paintings by Rubens: “I don’t like a chubby Minerva, a corpulent Venus, and a Diana who is so fat that I know she could never overtake a cow, let alone a deer.”
A dude that has never experienced steak or had the chance to experience steak, a man who has gazed forlornly at the filet mignon from behind the glass…
Can talk all day about how much he loves liver and onions. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t want the steak.
Necessity =/= virtue
This shit is like the hot versus sultry discussion. Some women may be unapproachably hot while sultry girls, though attractive, aren’t as hot but they have that you can maybe have sex with me aura that makes them a. more attainable and b. boner producing because hey sex is possible whereas hot girls may be unattainable, and doesn’t fart or otherwise have bodily functions of lesser mortals.
So, take sultry theory and extend it to infinity, and you get fat girl game. ” I may be fugs”* but my holes a gaping. If you are high T, from genetics or painful proximity to early teenage years, then the acceptable sliding scale from sultry to fucking god awful warpig slides further and further away from hot.
* the last girl standing at 3am or declarations of no inhibitions games at work.
The point is, fat is fat, and aside from 13 year olds who haven’t touched a boob yet, the only outlet for fatties I’ve seen are severly closeted men who decided not to become priests.
I guess I’ll chalk up to something like maternal imprinting the fact that a chubby-by-today’s-standards Anita Ekberg or Jane Russel type will give me a Moh’s scale 10 rod, but a Victoria’s Secret type invariably leaves me absolutely cold.
Anita Ekberg, I wasn’t familiar with her. Had to google.
Holy shit, she didn’t age well.
The big gals seldom do… Jane Russel got pretty scary too… sigh.
Yep, I don’t get this victoria secret model hype. To me, it’s just cute chicks with no tits nor ass. But I observe that a lot of white men, including the lord of the chateau, are obsessed with skinny chicks. Maybe we’re just outliers.
I’d obviously prefer a VS model over a ridiculously fat whale. But my boner is intimately correlated with feminine curves, ie meat and fat located at strategic spots.
But my boner is intimately correlated with feminine curves, ie meat and fat located at strategic spots.
Agreed. A 14 year old boy’s body with tits does nothing for me. If your collarbones and ribs are protruding, I’ll pass.
Fat girls are definitely a boner kill for me. I’ve been in shape and naturally so, all my life and fat women- fat people in general- kind of disgust me.
But I regularly find 7-8 and 9s hotter than the 10s.
I think it may be bad experiences with the super hot ones. My last GF is a perfect example- actress, singer, absolutely beautiful and BORING as hell. Nice, great heart, faithful, and about as exciting as toast with so many physiological baggage and insecurities that I kept wishing she would come home too tired to talk.
And so it has been way way way too many times in my life. Hot girl, boring, insecure, narcissistic blah.
But a good 8 will often be pretty enough to be confident, and plain enough to not be a pain in the ass about how beautiful she is. Motivated to be more down to earth and develop some type of interesting character.
9-10s are only good for a one night fuck where they do not have your real number. Preferably a stripper or someone passing through town.
A friend of mine who likes chubby girls says the same about them. Once he said that, I kind of understood his preference.
My roommate in college preferred fatties… but they were all chubby and not really fat or obese. Also he was kind of a loser.
I’ve fucked a few chubby girls myself and I must say, there are times when I felt like fucking me a chubby girl. Not grossly fat, mind you, just chubby. Like Kelly Osbourne when she first got famous chubby. But that’s only once in a blue moon. Same with cougars and MILFs, they’re only good for once in a while novelty sport fuck and not a constant source of poon.