How influential is this blog? Well, four years ago, Le Chateau Heartiste was writing about the overlooked social and sexual phenomenon of female hypergamy, and how this innate biological female predisposition has ramifications for a society’s structure and well-being. A term was coined by yer humble narrators for the changes being wrought in America and the West by the advancement of feminism, equalism and corporate globalism: the Four Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse.
A recurring theme here, and one that has gone wholly underappreciated by our elites on the Left and the Right, is how insidiously the culture and the sexual market have changed since the advent of the Four Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse. As a helpful reminder, here are the four sirens I’m talking about:
- Effective and widely available contraceptives (the Pill, condom, and the de facto contraceptive abortion).
- Easy peasy no-fault divorce.
- Women’s economic independence (hurtling towards women’s economic advantage if the college enrollment ratio is any indication).
- Rigged feminist-inspired laws that have caused a disincentivizing of marriage for men and an incentivizing of divorce for women.
As I have written, these changes are slowly, but powerfully, tectonically shifting the courtship playing field. The big winners are alpha males and the big losers are beta males.
Recently, thanks in part to the release of Charles Murray’s new book “Coming Apart“, there’s been a flurry of acknowledgement from the 1% bloggers that female hypergamy is real and its unleashed version may indeed be having tremendous effects on the shitty direction American society is currently heading. Ol’ Cheap Chalupas himself has been getting in on the action with a series of posts examining the issue. The comments are illuminative, particularly the ones from some rascally rogue going by the handle “CH”.
you know, it’s not like we don’t have historical precedent for this sort of sociosexual and cultural dystopia leading to civilizational collapse. the fact that female hypergamy — or other very unPC taboo subjects such as those concerning group population differences in civilizationally advantageous traits — wasn’t even on the smartypants pundit radar until, oh, right about now, should tell us how vigorously the elites in control of our discourse need to be pummeled over the head with the facts on the ground. It’s gonna be funny when, on the night before the long day of the rope, our leading light intellectuals confront the past 60 years of their cherished beliefs and realize it was all a pack of lies and wrongheadedness.
And when they do, they can look back at this blog — when no one’s watching them, of course — and tell themselves “Well, it’s not like we weren’t ridiculed warned.”
*shrug* it’s an uphill battle that’s being lost. Hah, even look at the M&M’s new character: this empowered femcunt without a hint of feminine warmth, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q33drZUXSzY
I enjoy reading this blog, but try deviating from the social script and talking openly with most of the ppl you meet out there; most are just indoctrinated idiots who put women on a pedestal and believe they can do no wrong
so goodbye west
@ Michael
Don’t give up the fight. It may be an uphill battle, but I’m never gonna give in. Ever.
Eh honestly, I’m not going to invest in our culture (aka raising kids for future generations), but will just live as best as I can for myself. I’m not going to give in to the lies of our culture, but I think that’s what it all comes down to for men:
you either live for yourself; go on vacations, buy expensive things, sleep with lots of women
or live to fight for your culture: you volunteer your time to fight for political issues, you try to make the world a better place, you have kids….
…I don’t see how the latter is worth the investment ?
I’d say the ‘femcunt’ was being mocked pretty heavily there. Guys are laughing at her, and she’s totally shown up by a “party boy” who treats her like a slut.
Great post. That CH dude is really ripping it up there.
It’s like these libertards intentionally write in this opaque garbled style. I have to reread every sentence to understand what the hell they’re saying. When I’ve argued with people like this in person, they are the height of pretentious. They are dismissive, and go on as if you completely misunderstood them. No, I just think you have no effin’ clue.
Your writing (and CH’s) is like a lucid beam from the heavens, shining welcome light on our world.
The money shot was where CH told them the sexual marketplace was older and more primary than the economic marketplace. It’ll take a long time before anybody in the chattering classes believes that in their guts.
Promiscuous consumption of resources has been a reward for sexual success for female primates since, uh, the Miocene?
The Mainstream, never trust the mainstream media money and power will always be more important to them.
the first step to solving a problem is accept that there is a problem, my $0.02.
Surplus male population is the real problem.
1. Contraception isn’t a problem. The problem is that all but the absolute lowest women can find a beta provider. There’s no incentive to “trapping” a man these days, especially when you know there is always something better on the horizon. The surplus male population will forgive ANY transgression for the promise of companionship.
2. The problem of easy divorce is solving itself. But the reason divorce rates are so high isn’t because divorce is easy for the woman. Divorce rates are so high because a moderately attractive woman in a sea of surplus males has unlimited options. A woman who gets a divorce has a 50/50 chance of marrying a new partner and maintaining or elevating her lifestyle. She’s got nothing to lose.
3. Women’s economic independence is bought on the backs of the surplus male population. The men don’t mind. Anything for pussy. The phenomena is evident when you observe the decline in wages for jobs that are truly productive (and most often performed by men) and the increase in the number of high paying affirmative action “make work” jobs are held by women and minorities.
4. Somewhere recently I read a post of a comment that said you should never trust a guy who hasn’t been laid in months or years. The reasoning was that he would be so desperate for a piece of ass, he’d sell out anyone or anything to get some female affection. You can thank the surplus male population for feminist favoring laws. They’ll agree to anything if they think it increases their chance of getting laid.
If you get rid of 10-15% of the surplus males, many of society’s social problems disappear. Women will preserve themselves, stay off the cock carousel, and seek male commitment. They’ll voluntarily remove themselves from the workforce. Get rid of the surplus males and it’s win, win, win, win, win for the rest.
The reason we have a surplus of men is because over half of our women are not worth having because of being 1) grossly overweight and 2) entitled to the point they can’t be dealt with.
I disagree. You say half of women aren’t worth having because they’re grossly overweight and entitled. Perhaps YOU will exclude half of the women out there for these reasons. There are plenty of guys who will gladly take them and all the iPhones and other gadgets tucked between their fleshy folds.
Unfortunately, you’re correct… no matter how fat, no matter how many kids in tow, no matter how many previous marriages…. some guy will marry ‘em.
Actually, not quite. There is – in the Western world – no “surplus
male population”. The apparent “surplus” is caused by a small
population of alpha males sucking up a larger population
of women, as CH and many others, like Devlin, have been
pointing out for a long time.
And, in many cases, the beta provider is you and I,
as tax payers. The whole femcarousel would grind to
a halt if welfare was abolished. Due to a rappel effect,
this affects all classes, not just the welfare recipients.
And no, although her mileage may vary, divorced women
in general are NOT hot properties on the marriage market;
but then, with alimony and child support, they don´t
need to be.
(I know one case where the woman dumped husband,
they were both making nice and somewhat similar
salaries, got the house, kids and child support
– her salary nixed alimony – and then proceeded
to use her income plus child support to procure a
househusband to do the scutwork that neither she
nor her ex were much interested in…, the new guy seems
to have nothing else to recommend him)
Take a look inside any popular bar or nightclub in any medium or large US city on a Friday or Saturday night and you will see a sausage fest. In most cases, an exact head count won’t even be necessary. You can tell at a glance. Women ride the cock carousel because they have an endless stream of options.
The “femcarousel” will not be grinding to a halt any time soon. Go back to my first post and look at #4. The system will be enabled as long as there are lonely beta males who will agree to anything to get laid.
A divorced woman may not be a hot priority for YOU, but she will do just fine for someone else. There’s no shortage of lonely men who will forgive her past transgressions no matter how repulsive they may be, just to feel the warmth of her body next to his.
You make the mistake in believing that another man’s trash is not another man’s treasure.
Groan!
What shows up in a bar is not a random selection of people,
and has not greater meaning – except to the people who
actually go to the particular bar.
I have a memory flashback to “The City Tavern” in Chicago,
quite a few years ago, where there were 90% women, which
also means nothing, except to falsify the validity of such head
counts.
And no, a divorced woman is not ipso facto toxic, far from it.
As usual, each case is different. One issue that is big to
many on this blog (not personally to me, I am a widower),
is scenarios like this.
Marry
Live together for 10+ years, maybe have kids
Alt 1. Wife gets bored (most of us do at times), and decides
to “find herself” or somesuch, dumps hubby, keeps
house, kids, most of his paychecks. Then sets out
to do – something. But if it includes finding a new
bf/husband, she will find it a lot harder (or she has
to massively lower her standards, which comes
to the same thing). And most men do NOT have
the movie star looks and the alphaness she is
used to seeing – mostly in the movies on TV.
But Tipper Gore will do just fine. Half the bucks
and none of the hassles.
Alt2 Wife takes a lover. Then proceeds mostly as
above. Now, it turns out, the new lover was not
all he was cracked up to be. Maybe he is alpha
and picked her as one of his squeezes precisely
BECAUSE she was married and would be unlikely
to make demands. But of course he has no
intention of marrying her or being exclusive at all.
And she finds this out gradually when it is too
late….
Thor
I gave big in the divorce and have a “productive” job. I preserve myself, never wore a ride-o-rama, where the heck are all these extra men: Army Surplus?
All around you. You ignore them because you want better, so their interest in you never even registers as opportunity.
I guess. But am I wrong to want “better” (different)? If a person doesn’t have a chance at making and keeping me happy, isn’t it better they find someone they can?
This is where feminism intersects with immigration – the mass importation of unskilled surplus males from foreign countries dramatically raises the percentage of overall surplus males in the country, playing as a huge advantage for women and ministers of social programs. Stealth destruction…it’s what they do.
But then there are the more-or-less mail-order brides
from Thailand, Russia etc. Drives many SWPL-women
past their best prime absolutely nuts. Like most of us,
they like foreign competition until it affects them personally.
Also, there are the mail-order (an other foreign) nannies.
Thor
What is this “surplus male population” that you keep referring to as if it were established fact?
In the United States there are more females than males.. And that is a fact.
[heartiste: i don’t know off the top of my head what the sex ratio is, but keep in mind that the relevant comparison is numbers of men and women *within women’s prime fertility age range*. that is, how many FUCKABLE women are there for all the men who want them? it really doesn’t matter if there are more women overall if most of the excess is coming from 80 year old blue hairs.]
Here’s the general world number:
0-14 years: 26.3% (male 944,987,919/female 884,268,378)
15-64 years: 65.9% (male 2,234,860,865/female 2,187,838,153)
65 years and over: 7.9% (male 227,164,176/female 289,048,221) (2011 est.)
Now, I keep hearing blood libel horrors of families in the third world and how they murder girls so I decided to look at what is your primary readership: English-speaking democracies. (That includes India with a hearty fuck-off to Pakistan.)
Australia
0-14 years: 18.3% (male 2,040,848/female 1,937,544)
15-64 years: 67.7% (male 7,469,092/female 7,266,143)
65 years and over: 14% (male 1,398,576/female 1,654,508) (2011 est.)
Canada
0-14 years: 15.7% (male 2,736,737/female 2,602,342)
15-64 years: 68.5% (male 11,776,611/female 11,517,972)
65 years and over: 15.9% (male 2,372,356/female 3,024,571) (2011 est.)
UK
0-14 years: 17.3% (male 5,575,119/female 5,301,301)
15-64 years: 66.2% (male 20,979,401/female 20,500,913)
65 years and over: 16.5% (male 4,564,375/female 5,777,253) (2011 est.)
USA:
0-14 years: 20.1% (male 32,107,900/female 30,781,823)
15-64 years: 66.8% (male 104,411,352/female 104,808,064)
65 years and over: 13.1% (male 17,745,363/female 23,377,542) (2011 est.)
And, in case you’re interested, here are a bunch of the other democracies, followed by the general EU figure.
Denmark
0-14 years: 17.6% (male 500,265/female 474,829)
15-64 years: 65.3% (male 1,811,198/female 1,798,507)
65 years and over: 17.1% (male 417,957/female 527,132) (2011 est.)
Finland
0-14 years: 16% (male 429,450/female 414,570)
15-64 years: 66.1% (male 1,759,059/female 1,719,173)
65 years and over: 17.8% (male 385,671/female 551,327) (2011 est.)
France
0-14 years: 18.5% (male 6,180,905/female 5,886,849)
15-64 years: 64.7% (male 21,082,175/female 21,045,867)
65 years and over: 16.8% (male 4,578,089/female 6,328,834) (2011 est.)
Germany
0-14 years: 13.3% (male 5,569,390/female 5,282,245)
15-64 years: 66.1% (male 27,227,487/female 26,617,915)
65 years and over: 20.6% (male 7,217,163/female 9,557,634) (2011 est.)
Greece
0-14 years: 14.2% (male 787,143/female 741,356)
15-64 years: 66.2% (male 3,555,447/female 3,567,383)
65 years and over: 19.6% (male 923,177/female 1,185,630) (2011 est.)
India
0-14 years: 29.7% (male 187,450,635/female 165,415,758)
15-64 years: 64.9% (male 398,757,331/female 372,719,379)
65 years and over: 5.5% (male 30,831,190/female 33,998,613) (2011 est.)
Ireland
0-14 years: 21.1% (male 503,921/female 483,454)
15-64 years: 67.3% (male 1,581,959/female 1,560,238)
65 years and over: 11.6% (male 246,212/female 295,192) (2011 est.)
Italy
0-14 years: 13.8% (male 4,315,292/female 4,124,624)
15-64 years: 65.9% (male 19,888,901/female 20,330,495)
65 years and over: 20.3% (male 5,248,418/female 7,109,074) (2011 est.)
Japan
0-14 years: 13.1% (male 8,521,571/female 8,076,173)
15-64 years: 64% (male 40,815,840/female 40,128,235)
65 years and over: 22.9% (male 12,275,829/female 16,658,016) (2011 est.)
Mexico
0-14 years: 28.2% (male 16,395,974/female 15,714,182)
15-64 years: 65.2% (male 35,842,495/female 38,309,528)
65 years and over: 6.6% (male 3,348,495/female 4,113,552) (2011 est.)
Norway
0-14 years: 18% (male 431,111/female 412,864)
15-64 years: 66% (male 1,568,729/female 1,529,799)
65 years and over: 16% (male 326,711/female 422,635) (2011 est.)
Portugal
0-14 years: 16.2% (male 910,012/female 835,025)
15-64 years: 65.8% (male 3,539,457/female 3,541,989)
65 years and over: 18% (male 791,950/female 1,141,872) (2011 est.)
South Korea
0-14 years: 15.7% (male 3,980,541/female 3,650,631)
15-64 years: 72.9% (male 18,151,023/female 17,400,809)
65 years and over: 11.4% (male 2,259,621/female 3,312,032) (2011 est.)
Spain
0-14 years: 15.1% (male 3,646,614/female 3,435,311)
15-64 years: 67.7% (male 16,036,556/female 15,637,090)
65 years and over: 17.1% (male 3,389,681/female 4,609,532) (2011 est.)
Sweeden
0-14 years: 15.4% (male 722,558/female 680,933)
15-64 years: 64.8% (male 2,982,268/female 2,910,135)
65 years and over: 19.7% (male 800,169/female 992,665) (
Switzerland
0-14 years: 15.2% (male 602,894/female 560,175)
15-64 years: 67.8% (male 2,612,557/female 2,569,318)
65 years and over: 17% (male 543,074/female 751,943) (2011 est.
Turkey (it’s a NATO country so I’m damned well including it)
0-14 years: 26.6% (male 10,707,793/female 10,226,999)
15-64 years: 67.1% (male 26,741,332/female 26,162,757)
65 years and over: 6.3% (male 2,259,422/female 2,687,245) (2011 est.)
Congrats to the stats. Seriously. They show that in the 15-64 group,
the number of men is equal to the number of women, within
less than or about 1 percent.
Now, you can massively skew these numbers by taking out
large numbers of “unsuitable” men OR women. This is easy,
but usually silly, outside of the Fishwrap Times which will fall for this.
However, CH has a point in that if you for example do the
numbers on FERTILE men and women, the numbers come out
superskewed (it is really an example of the point above,
but has special merit for not being arbitrary and silly, but
digging into real evopsych sexuality). Mainly the ratio
becomes around 2 fertile men to 1 fertile woman.
Now, traditionally this did not matter, as peopled married
relatively young, had kids and STAYED MARRIED, whether
either party strayed a little or not, but if they did,
it was kept quiet and out of sight.
Now, with divorces being almost the norm, whether
female-driven (as in my previous post) or the old
traditional (but actually much rarer) case of an alpha
husband trading up to a younger model (in both
senses of the word). And now the underlying
skew shows up, up close and dirty.
Thor
The temporal age-dynamic ratios matter.
Consider that the guys in the leading edge of the Baby Boomers had a great advantage. They had “swelling” numbers of females who were younger than they coming up to chose from.
The trailing edge guys, the ones just before the “baby bust” had the flip side – the younger women were fewer so had to scramble for the more numerous older females.
Location matters too. I grew up in a Navy town where there was a serious imbalance of young males to young females because the government insisted on importing large numbers of squids to my town. Plus, the large number of alpha naval flight students driving government jets and their own Corvettes cornered the best and the hottest. It warped me for years, I tell ya.
Now that I’m in my healthy late middle years, there are lots of attractive and available 40s and early 50s women looking for hot boning and easy loving. The menfolk seem to fade earlier or were just too housebroken to care.
Nothing builds confidence in a man as well as knowing that he has alternatives – understanding that if THIS woman doesn’t make me happy and WORK at it, I can find another warm and wet place to squeeze me and give me comfort within a week, maybe two.
These stats show that a female surplus exists only among the 65+ age group, which would be caused by women tending to live longer than men.
Among younger age groups there is a slight surplus of males.
Don’t forget that we lose 2 to 3% of the males to homosexuality compared to 1% of females. That can add up, especially here in San Francisco.
Its so true. The beta male underclass is healthy and growing. I see it everyday in college, and I’m a part of it. It seems like there is no end in site to the involuntary celibacy we suffer.
My question, is there any place in the world where there is a level sexual playing field left? Eastern Europe maybe? Should I start learning Russian?
Yes. Western Europe is far better than here too. AW and Mapleskanks are the absolute worst of western women. The Anglosphere in general sucks. Check out Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia for good split tail within the EU. And of course my favorite, Ukraine.
A lot of betas think that Russian or east European women are the answer to all of their woes. If you go to Russia, the deck is stacked in your favor. Bring a Russian woman here, to the land of surplus beta males, and if you’re still engaging in heavy beta behavior, she’ll be experimenting with the circumcised American cock carousel within weeks of her arrival.
There’s never been a level playing field when it comes to natural selection. Evolution goes backwards when we scrape the bottom of the DNA barrel.
They respond well to alphas though.
The general trend among ‘millennials’ is pretty interesting. Girls are holding out to a later age to start having sex, and they are also marrying at an earlier age. This is exactly the opposite of what was expected by the feminist generation.
(One could speculate these girls have watched their mothers ride the ‘cock carousel’ and decided its not for them.)
Of course, this might really suck for college age guys such as yourself who are looking to ‘hook up’ at a kegger or an easy girl to ‘hang out’ with. But the trend seems moving towards more serious marital relationships.
[heartiste: where are you getting your numbers? every study i’ve read shows that age at first marriage is rising, and total rate of marriage is down (which would explain why the divorce rate has leveled off — fewer people getting married.)]
Review a list of European birthrates by nation.
Go to whichever has the highest number. Even if you don’t intend to have children, it means the women are still relatively normal.
How does fit into game? Answer: Never try to get laid in a bar.
Interesting. For a long time, I wondered why I could get much better
female interest in an airplane (best) than in a bar (worst).
I am the same person, am I not?
Well, a few visits to a wine bar – much better than regular bar,
but not nearly as good as airplanes – got me thinking.
The difference is the clientele. I am OK looking, but nothing
to go ga-ga about.
But the reality – and I don´t really think I can “fix” this, or maybe
I just don´t want to, is that I am a much better conversationalist
in some settings than others. I just can¨t bring myself to
learn enough to make conversation about celebrities or the
latest fad .- I don´t even know who and what they are.
And the bar crowd ON AVERAGE is pretty low-brow.
Wine crowd less so. And airplane passengers even
less so. Please don´t fill the blog with anecdotal evidence
to the contrary, I said AVERAGE.
Thor
Hypergamy is alive and it is well. I talked about marriage with my 34 year old girlfriend who hasn’t had a boyfriend before me in two years. We dated for over 2 years. Chick begged me for a relationship when things started out. Cried out in alpha fashion “why don’t you ever take me out?!” “Why don’t you court me!?” when i was in a natural state of aloof in the beginning.
In typical beta fashion, i backslided, made a whole bunch of errors, talked about marriage and all the other bullshit you can’t discuss the thing totally exploded. All 100% predicted by this blog giving the actions that i did. Now remember, i didn’t cheat, didn’t treat her like shit…..no…. I simply showed too much interest.
Now homegirl wants to roll the dice and give the dating jungle one more shot. She turns 35 in June. Part of me is utterly embarrassed that I was past over by a woman her age and part of me is in shock that a 34 1/2 year old woman would pass over on a decent looking guy making 80k a year who wants to have children, gets along with the family, is loyal, active and is decent looking (i get my fair share of women) to enter the dating market where she was an utter failure before me.
100% female hypergamy.
100% women will never settle for a beta.
I learned all this from the blog. It’s a shame it was too late. I tried to rescue the relationship but it was impossible to get my interest level down to a point where in could save it. I was far too invested. Placed way too much value on her and it’s all my fault. But then part of me looks back and says “why would i want her when there is younger hotter poon on every corner.”
I did the whole “Win your ex back” bullshit and it worked. Worked just like it says it works. Ignore, Ignore, Ignore and they come back. But once she came back i still could not repair the damage that was done. I was tagged as a beta in her mind and there was nothing I could do to turn it around.
Chick will be 35 in June. Wants to take another swing in the game of dating. Unfucking real. You’d think she’d be throwing her hands in the air singing halleluiah that she was about to be rescued from the dating jungle and given the opportunity to have kids and a family. Nope…..wants to take one more swing. Call me bitter, but i’m wholly routing against her. haha. Women are unreal.
It’s her loss. Not a platitude, for real. Consider yourself lucky. Next round go younger.
“Part of me is utterly embarrassed … that a 34 1/2 year old woman would pass over on a decent looking guy making 80k a year who wants to have children, gets along with the family, is loyal, active and is decent looking (i get my fair share of women)”
yamahama. you clearly don’t get what this blog is about. read it some more; the core concept isn’t hard to figure out. 80k is nothing to brag about (nor does it matter, really). you said “decent looking” twice. it wasn’t relevant the first time, repeating it only amplifies how lost you are. you act incredulous that a 35y.o. is about to get back into the dating market, yet are literally crying a river over it. think about that for a sec, there’s an important revelation in there somewhere.
How much do you make? 80k is a good salary in most of the country.
Let her see what its like out there. She’ll be back right quick! If she wants to comparison shop, let her. Suddenly you’re looking a lot better and you’ll be the one with the “upper hand” by letting her back. If she doesn’t return, you will find someone else. Hopefully, for her, its not before she comes to her senses.
Hung One,
Don’t lisen to the Geisha. You are SO better off without this broad. Find someone else who is considerably younger.
YOU ARE SO LUCKY SHE LEFT YOU. YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
So much this.
Get an effin´ grip man!
How many clues does it take for you to see how low value a woman is.
If you want to slake your breeding drive(my condolences) then it´s much more natural to get an actually fertile&young womb.
At 30+ it is OVER.
Chance for genetic disorders is sky high and general fertility in the dumps.
And that yellow(or black/brown/stripped whatever) fever won´t help much either: http://www.picdumps.com/pics/6575/36.jpg
Thug love is worldwide. AWALT!
Gramps nails it. You hit the lottery.
Don’t feel too bad – my ex did the same and now she’s a lonely old spinster who can’t even get pumped and dumped.
This right here is everything CH has talked about it. Simply insane.
You on the other hand, get back out there and start rocking women 10 years younger and much hotter than her.
Do yourself a favor and forget about her completely. Concentrate on the young ones.
I hear you, loud and clear. I’ve been a beta my whole life — but I only finally realized it recently (I’m 42!). I so wish I had discovered “game” (ie, reality) when I was younger… it’s like I’ve had a blindfold on all this time. It’s very hard not to be bitter and hateful toward women, but then again it’s my own fault I fell for their BS. (there you go again — typical beta!)
One of my moments was when I ran into an old GF & her friend at a bar. She was older than me, then about 34, and they had both cut their hair short. I was teasing them about it.
“Ohhhh. Guys don’t want to date us anymore!” they complained
I recommend that they should be going out with older guys. (The friend must have taken up on this b/c later I saw her with a guy who looked like he was in his fifties.) I also implied that if they were they marrying type, they would have done it in their twenties, instead of dating musicians. The funny thing is they both thought it was funny and true and were hanging off me the rest of the night.
You have to realize that eventually some girls will be down at the nursing home, blowing guys, still looking for ‘the one’.
Let her hit that wall, son. Just disengage completely, and replace her with a younger, hotter gf. Then, when you get the opportunity, casually introduce her to your ex. The ex is either gonna call you in 24 hours and beg you back or act like nothing is wrong. Either way, she will be blowing up on the inside and using every fiber of her being to retain composure and fight back the tears. If she calls, lob an LJBF her way and sit back and enjoy her choking on that one for the next couple of months. If she doesn’t, whatever. Continue living and enjoying your life. Meanwhile the wall will work its insidious magic on your ex. Women in her presence will see the slow breakdown, and will reconsider their own artificially high standards, thus making the world a better place for the fellow men in your area who have to deal with them.
Samething here…backslidded into beta…showed too much interest…and bam looses attraction. Now that I have been changing a bit, reading up, acting a little differntly…funny how they sense it…you carry that vibe and they start noticing. Mine was a tad older, has rabbie baby eyes…her SMV will be adjusted and reality will slam her ass…and she’ll call after some weeks..
Quit whining like a little boy and go find some attractive woman (preferably more than one) who likes to have sex with you. Your interest in your ex will drop to nothing after the first night with the next woman.
Yup, as soon as you find a replacement the interest disappears. As long as they are hotter. I wasn’t trying to whining, I was just giving a prime example of what the post was about. I take 100% full responsibility for what happened. It’s all good. Women are women.
Andrea Dworkin
woof! woof! arrf! grrrrr!
Could you try to stay on topic hon?
Caveat Emptor with any attempts to go long distance for women. Just like women here, some will look like their pics. Others haven’t looked that way in a decade (Russian). Some may even look better in person (Thai). Being in college still, if you can fit a Slavic language or Spanish in to your curriculum, I’d say go for it. The advantages to knowing the local language are huge for travel and depending on your field can open new areas for work. I’ve gone without and had mixed results (English continues to gain ground, but I was in a large Russian airport where the staff couldn’t tell me what I was missing or doing wrong, they simply shunted me aside. I stayed calm and figured it out myself, but if you have a short window it can be a major headache).
I’ve written about this extensively on my blog. It is in fact true that women’s economic independence has made life very difficult for ‘betas.’
The issue is that when women are financially secure, they don’t have a lot of incentive to marry. When they don’t have much incentive to marry, they can enjoy the top 10% of males without having to compromise on various traits which is what they would normally do if they were looking for a husband.
The problem for women is they can’t all marry the same 10% of alphas (we live in a monogamous society, after all). But so long as marriage is being delayed, they do in fact have the freedom to cluster around them. OTOH, being pressured to marry will force them to compromise and look at a much wider swath of men who are available.
But the only way so many women are able to be economically independent is because of the illusion of wealth brought about by the international credit spigot and the US petrodollar status.
It can and will come crashing down and all these soft, non-productive, political and social oriented jobs for people with “communications degrees” will shrivel up.
The days of pretty women competing for provider betas will return, but not until the bottom falls out of our society.
And how are you going to pressure them to marry?
So a beta, like myself (20yo), will probably have to wait 10,15 years for some decent prospects who want to settle down.
Yes probably so. But that’s a good thing. If you are a self-professed beta, you have absolutely no business “settling down” unless you want to be ground like hamburger meat in some bitch’s tank treads. Do you want to be some skank’s ‘starter husband’ and then have half your wealth taken from you at around 36 years of age?
You better beat that beta problem first, then spend your entire twenties screwing around with as many women as possible. Only start thinking about settling down when these three conditions are met:
You have achieved your dream by getting the job you always wanted and enjoying financial independence. If you wanted to buy a house, you could come up with the 20% down payment out of your savings.
You possess such mastery of yourself that women rarely (if ever) make you feel flustered, overly excited, depressed, or humiliated.
You have become skilled enough with women that you are able to rotate several at any one time, and you have more women wanting to date you than you have time for.
If you seek your future wife under these conditions, you will have hand in the relationship, your chances of the marriage succeeding will skyrocket, your wife will be way hotter and treat you better, and you’ll have a hell of a lot of fun along the way.
Excellent advice.
Capricious lusts will overthrow our society!!!
So?
I know you meant to write ‘sluts’.
Damn right!
The only saving grace is father time. Ole father time renders their pussies obsolete and worthless at about the age 37 or 38….. They can still get someone to pound them at the age of 35, but it’s hard if they haven’t kept their body together. I personally think it’s really funny. Women think they have it in the bag, then then reenter the dating pool in their 30′s and it’s tough sledding….
It’s gonna be funny when, on the night before the long day of the rope, our leading light intellectuals confront the past 60 years of their cherished beliefs and realize it was all a pack of lies and wrongheadedness.
That’s a nice fantasy, but it never pans out. Self-delusion rules to very end.
[heartiste: long day of the rope implies that the coming massive backpedal could take a generation to complete.]
Never pans out? You are aware that the history of mankind is written by a swordtip dipped in the loser’s blood, right?
Why would it be any different here in America? We have had a nice run of it for a few decades, and people like to think we are “all growed up” now about that whole violence and revolution thing.
I wouldn’t place my bets on that side of the debate, though. At least not my long term (50-100) years. Pressure is building all around us, domestically and abroad. Something has to give. My guess is it will be American middle class existence and values, not the nasty nature of mankind.
We as men are being socialized to hide or shun masculinity. What appalls me is how many men buy into it. Each succeeding generation is more feminized or rather, neutered. I think the influence of two long wars has created a caste in our society of solid men. Nonetheless, even this domain is being invaded and forced to bow to the diversity gods. We shall see. These wars are just getting started. Listen to Israel and Iran declare mutual rights of first strike as their doctrine.
Your comment made me think of something. This whole anti-bullying movement is gaining incredible momentum, with legislation being passed around the country.
We grown men know that while bullying seems cruel, it is nature’s harsh way of bringing your peers in line with the tribe’s modes and methods of survival. For instance, if a boy behaves in a girlish, weak fashion he is beaten and called all manner of names. But this is nature’s way of ensuring that boys aren’t easily allowed to grow up as pansies and then be devoured as adults. The bullies are merely trying to help their peer by toughening him up, instinctively. Expect to see a lot more bullying, and it’s attendant hand-wringing by the SWPL class, as more and more boys are deliberately feminized by their female relatives.
Argghhh. I am ambivalent here. On one hand, bullying in some cases
might work as you describe. But I know several highly successful
men (or at least OK successful, not like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs),
who were horribly bullied in school, by their own description.
(Yes, I had some minor problems myself, partly because I skipped
a class and was thus a year younger than standard, but it went away
by age 12).
While I am not sure of each case, I suspect the kids above were
more cerebral than physical, “bookworms”, and talked funny.
(I had to learn to downgrade my vocabulary, first in my mother
tongue and then in English, where I initially assumed, while not realizing
it, that since English was not my mother tongue, everybody
I talked to would have a much bigger English vocabulary than
I did, false of course. Example: Penultimate).
And I suspect more than a few writers on this blog have had
similar experiences, personally or just watching it work
on some poor kid who might be more interested in
Heisenberg than in hockey, Fermi than football.
Thor
The bullies are merely trying to help their peer by toughening him up, instinctively.
The masculine boys with the inclination to toughen up the wusses are the ones who are giving the latter good advice, like, “stop being a pussy or the bullies will never leave you be.” Those doing the bullying are psychopaths, or at least sadists — people who dish out humiliation do so because they enjoy it, not because they’re moved by compassion or compelled by some group selection-based instinct or whatever else you may be implying. (At least one study found that, contrary to popular and p.c. belief, kids who torment others are not, in fact, reacting to their own suffering. Rather, they simply possess at least one of the “Dark Triad” of psychological traits.)
Apart from the question of the bullies’ motives, to assume that bullying will be interpreted by its recipients as constructive criticism, and learned from as such, imputes too much wisdom to the very young. At the very least, the exact wrong lesson will likely be learned by those who lack both perspective and a sense of self-worth.
Even if the experience of being bulled is valuable life experience — and it surely is — it is at most necessary, not sufficient, for the building of a healthy young man. “Tough love,” which can never be administered by those whose brains’ pleasure centers are excited by inflicting pain on the weak, is also needed.
On the bright side, there’s more opportunity to get a woman afoot. Both Iranian and Israeli women are pretty sexy and have passionate dispositions. The right man could be well treated in a world where 15-20% of several age groups of men are decimated. To plagues and war!
We should be seeking to peacefully undermine Iran’s government. Most Iranians are decent and reasonable people with a long history of sophisticated culture and reasonable government. The Mullahs who run things, along with the Revolutionary Guard own most of the nation’s productive capacity and pay off the people with national subsidies. If they were well run by forward looking leadership, they would be a great place to visit and do business with and it would finally reach its modern economic potential. They are held back by their regime.
This columnist tries helping a letter writer who’s trying to slut shame a man. Needless to say, it doesn’t get far….
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/10/she_called_me_a_manwhore/singleton/
O.T., but did you see this gem: Straight Talk.
I don’t buy the doom and gloom. Men are at bottom task-oriented, rational problem solvers, and will find “game,” or go their own way.
There often isn’t much of a demarcation between women who insist on alpha males (or are “hypergamous”) and women who are prostitutes. Most professional hotties – strippers, hair stylists, hot waitresses/bartenders, and escorts – crave alpha males.
When women become so spoiled that they topple society, you’ll see two things:
1) A startling decrease in “beta” behavior as more men ape or attain “alpha” status, and
2) Legalized prostitution
– and that day is fast approaching.
Marriage sucks, and corporate America is so feminized, foolish, and flabby, yet the hardest and most valuable jobs – engineer, scientist, techie, machinist, and laborer – are virtually all held by men.
And there’s a limit to the bullsh-t any group will take.
So you’ll see fewer marriages, more bastards, and less divorces, as more men will walk away, and at that point, single men will also refuse to pay billions in bullsh-t taxes for fat lazy sluts.
The only two recourses will be a few alpha partnerships (brief and unprofitable for females) and stadium-sized whorehouses.
Or perhaps whorehouses in stadiums. Friday night fights, Sunday football, and Saturday night hookers.
“Victoria’s Secret Model Quits to Reserve Body ‘for My Husband”
“For all of you that were looking for me in the Victorias Secret runway show this year, I wasn’t in it. I have decided not to model lingerie Because I personally feel that I am not honoring God or my husband by doing it. My marriage is very important & with divorce rates rising I want to do everything I can to protect my marriage and be respectful to my husband. God graciously gave me this marriage and this life and my desire is to live a Godly faithful life, I don’t however judge others for what they do. Everyone is convicted on different levels.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/02/victorias-secret-model-quits-to-reserve-body-for-my-husband/
Nice. She no longer has to rent her bod to Victoria’s Secret, as she found a Hubby who bought it outright.
I respect her decision. It’s self-empowering.
PS- God called. Says he’s not mad at you anymore.
A few observations from the vantage point of “maturity.”
I am puzzled by the talk of the betas and how they are passed over and all and it is bad and they won’t work because women don’t want to marry them, etc.
The old fashioned marriage they dream of is pretty much dead in our culture. Good riddance. Even if a beta marries, how likely is it he can support his wife these days?
Women just aren’t that important. It is just your hormones, son. My advice is to get a life, and screw women from time to time, too.
Women’s financial independence is good. Now, they won’t marry you to take your money. Advantage beta.
An important take home message of this website is that not everybody can be an alpha. But, nobody has to be a victim.
There is nothing wrong with being beta if you realize it and avoid being taken advantage of. When a beta decides to put his trust and faith in a woman he is going to very sorry.
Make money and advance your career. The money and the career will very likely last longer, and be more rewarding, than most women. Screw girls as you will, but don’t waste much time on women.
If you don’t have a woman to support, you will likely have plenty of money to buy sex, which is very cheap, compared to “free sex.”
The older you get, the less attractive your age peers become. Do you want to be married to a 60 yo old woman when you are 60? Many women age very poorly.
You can have children when you are 55. What’s the rush to get married?
Ignore the B.S. Most of what you hear is just lies designed to take advantage of you. Being useful is always praised, but rarely rewarded.
To repeat the important point: just make sure to make money. It is much easier making money when you aren’t tied down to a woman and children.
Words of wisdom! As a father of five and a grandfather too, I endorse this message!
There are still good women out there, ones with a good religous upbringing but they are looking for a strong man who will lead in the marriage. A valuable skill for dealing with such women is quoting a Bible passage in support of your decisions.
As to having children so late, I had my last (I think!) at 46. Remember that you’ll be supporting your last child for twenty to 25 more years so take your expected age of retirement and subtract 20+ years to find your last age at which you want to impregnate.
RFactor is correct about women having their own income have the freedom to pursue their own carnal desires and will slut it up for a very long time even into their mid-late thirties as one commentator lammented upon. Here’s the deal you have to let women know that you are a man and enjoy sex, but that sex in an of it’s self is an easy commodity to find, in other words the bitch needs to know you have standards without comming off as some self righteous anal retentive beta. The trick is to use cocky-funny/negs (which is coyness magnified), DHV, and still show some geniuine interest in what the woman in question has to say.
Don’t be afraid to let a chick know if you disagree with her statements without turning the conversation into a prelude of world war 3. Women want men who can HANDLE THEM( modern women with their flighty emotions/ and other feminien bullshit), and their enviornment, advance their financial status in life, and still keep their fuzzy taint box squirting on a regular basis.
So the question is are you man enough to press foward with your dreams that are not pussy related or are you going to base yor whole life on the “ALMIGHTY PUSSY”. Neither the author of this site or more than 99% of the readers and commentators are Alphas in the social-sexual connotations that are described on this site.
group population differences in civilizationally advantageous traits
Aha, a race realist too. PC heads are exploding everywhere you go.
All vaginas are interchangeable. All women’s looks fade faster than a man’s.
She’d best have a lot more than looks going for her if she wants something long-term with me.
The idea of hypergamy has been around since Genesis. And even the moderns who rejected the idea of original sin had their champion in Rousseau, who recognized the unique qualities of unbounded female desire:
If female animals do not have the same sense of shame, what do we make of that? Are their desires as boundless as those of women, which are curbed by shame? The desires of animals are the result of need; and when the need is satisfied the desire ceases; they no longer pretend to repulse the male, they do so in earnest. They take on no more passengers after the ship is loaded… .
The Supreme Being has deigned to do honor to the human race: in giving man unlimited desires, at the same time he provided the law that regulates them so he could be free and self-controlled; and while delivering him to these immoderate passions he added reason in order to govern them. In endowing woman with unlimited desires he added modesty in order to restrain them; moreover he has also given a reward for the correct use of their faculties, to wit, the taste one acquires for right conduct when one makes it the law of one’s behavior. To my mind this is certainly as good as the instinct of the beasts.
Whether the woman shares the man’s desires or not, whether or not she is willing to satisfy them, she always repulses him and defends herself, though not always with the same vigor and not, therefore, always with the same success. For the attacker to be victorious, the besieged must permit or direct the attack. How adroitly she can force the aggressor to use his strength. The freest and most delightful of all the acts does not admit any real violence; both nature and reason oppose it; nature, in that she has given the weaker party strength enough to resist if she chooses; reason, in that real violence is not only the most brutal of all acts but defeats its own ends, not only because man thus declares war against his companion and gives her the right to defend her person and her liberty even at the expense of the aggressor’s life, but also because the woman alone is the judge of the situation and a child would have no father if any man might usurp a father’s rights.
Thus the different constitution of the sexes leads us to a third conclusion, namely, that the strongest seems to be the master, but depends in fact on the weakest; this is not based upon a foolish custom of gallantry, nor upon the magnanimity of the protector but upon an inexorable law of nature. For nature, having endowed woman with more power to stimulate man’s desire than he is able to satisfy, thus makes him dependent on woman’s good will and compels him in turn to please her so that she may consent to yield to his superior strength. Is it weakness that yields to force or is it voluntary self-surrender? This uncertainty constitutes the chief delight of the man’s victory, and the woman is usually cunning enough to leave him in doubt. In this respect women’s minds exactly resemble their bodies; far from being ashamed of their weakness they revel in it. Their soft muscles offer no resistance; they pretend that they cannot lift the lightest loads; they would be ashamed to be strong. And why? This is not merely to appear delicate, they are too clever for that; they are providing themselves beforehand with excuses and with the right to be weak if need be.
Just about every classical thinker who wrote about women wrote about this immoderate propensity that distinguishes their sex — and the many artificial restraints constructed to keep it under control. You only grasped the phenomenon when a sufficiently sciency-sounding neologism was applied to to your social observations. That doesn’t speak to the novelty of the idea so much as the limits of your wisdom-gathering method. The rest of us who acquired this wisdom in the broad context of a classical education can apply the innumerable trials and error of ancient observation while you’re stuck divining the work product of dorks who present their hidden ideologies as “scientific results.”
Of course the skeptics like Cowen are coming around. Either they come around or they consign themselves to irrelevance, as some (like Hugo Schwyzer) are opting for. “Naturam expellas furca, tamen usque revenit.” (“You can heave nature out with a pitchfork, and yet she will come back again.” — Horace)
Do keep bragging about how you can control the weather with your blog, if that’s what motivates you to keep churning out lifesaving content for the n00bs. Your self-satisfied stasis is keeping you from getting to the next level, and the pose starts to grate after a couple months of exposure. But it’s cute in its own way.
It’s oddly comforting to know I can check here five years from now and get the same dispatches from science magazines proving that women still have ovaries. Monks who chant the liturgy of the hours day after day, year after year, century after century passively strengthen the faith of the church too.
Preach, preach, preach. Convince the world. But then what? How much can we analyze the wine — sniff it, swirl it, tilt it, swish it — before we get to, y’know, drink it?
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.”
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“Of all things upon earth that bleed and grow,
A herb most bruised is woman.” –
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In revenge and in love woman is more barbaric than man is.
FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE, Beyond Good and Evil
When once the woman has tempted us, and we have tasted the forbidden fruit, there is no such thing as checking our appetites, whatever the consequences may be.
GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter to Mrs. Richard Stockton, Sep. 2, 1783
With women the heart argues, not the mind.
MATTHEW ARNOLD, Merope
King A,
You’re an asset to your gender!
As you so completely proved, a fatal conceit of modern times is that the facts of life are different now. Perhaps on the surface maybe, but down deep, humans behave as they always have and have their eternal roles to play, successfully or not.
“Preach, preach, preach. Convince the world. But then what? How much can we analyze the wine — sniff it, swirl it, tilt it, swish it — before we get to, y’know, drink it?” – King A
Bottom’s up!
Off topic – but… a vision of Hell:
http://www.welt.de/lifestyle/article13859327/Koennen-so-dicke-Frauen-noch-aesthetisch-sein.html
And the answer to the question in German is…
Die Zukunft scheint furchtbar!
Aufstellung für die Dusche!
Thor
Nür wann aesthetisch soll jetze grausam bedeuten.
Some of the cows that I see waddling around are enough to make me barf, and there always seems to be some guy with no self-respect chasing after it. It really makes me sick.
As I’ve gotten older, I gotten even more picky – probably because I can be, and I’ll just as easily walk away from it, as take it home for a night of fun. The problem is every woman, when you strip them down to the bare essentials, are variations on the same theme. And I get tired of listening to their mindless drivel – thankfully, they can’t talk with their mouth full.
I keep telling myself that one day, I’ll settle down, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve realized that having several women take care of my needs is a more likely scenario – that way there are always a couple to take care of things, while I enjoy the attentions of one of the others. So I actually enjoy the way things have turned out.
Big woop! This site is designed towards male hypergamy.
[heartiste: you say that like it’s a bad thing.]
Of course, both sexes want the best quality partner they can find.
[the hypergamous instinct is much stronger in women. it is integral to women’s nature in a way that it is not in men’s nature. spread the seed, hoard the egg and all that.]
Of course, women don’t want a Beta male any more than a guy wants a fattie.
[but there are a lot more male betas than there are fertile age female fatties. if we stipulate that women want alpha males and men want reasonably cute chicks of slender proportions, then we wind up with women rejecting a lot more men in search of their ideal, simply because their ideal is rarer than men’s ideal. now it may indeed be the case that obesity is becoming so widespread (heh) among young women that it is contributing to a sort of rise in male hypergamy, but that is a recent development that does not change the fact that female hypergamy evolved over quite literally millions of years during which time obesity was not the scourge it is today.]
It’s standard evolution in humans as per all species – the Alphas ideally mate and Betas ideally either die young (sometimes at the hands of the Alphas) or they chip in to raise the Alpha children.
[both men and women exercise choice, but women exercise more of it, and with more stringent controls. hth.]
OT: Here’s a poem I found on another site. It’s some (beta) guy’s ode to his girlfriend:
“My love for you knows no bounds.
There is no place I am not willing to go, to make you happy.
There is no time that is the wrong time, to make you happy.
There are no limits to my loyalty towards you.
I have starved in solitude for too long, waiting for you.
I will not allow myself to push away others any longer, I am proud to have you in my life.
You make the sun shine a little brighter during the day, and the moon glow more elegantly at night.
With you I could achieve anything, so long as you stay by my side.
For you I am willing to give it all away, and to give up my vices.
I feel at peace and complete when you are near, and lost and sad when you are gone.
You make everything in my life have more weight. Food taste better, nature more beautiful, life more precious, and love more satisfying.
Without you I would happily watch the world burn, with you, I would happily try to save it.
I love you, and that shall never change.
You complete me.”
Commence mockery.
You skipped the last line:
“Now go make me a sandwich, baby.”
Nope… the last line:
Burn this.
Poor sod.
I think the worst part is “There are no limits to my loyalty towards you.”
That’s revolting even for a beta.
Now Obama will require Catholic employers to include birth control in their healthcare against the wishes of these businesses.
The state is infiltrating every portion of American life and spreading like a cancer. Government can only use force and coercion to achieve its goals, which is immoral on its surface for individuals living (supposedly) in a free society.
Pretty soon the birth control pill will be a right all women deserve. Every female will be on it and hopping from cock to cock will be as commonplace as eating and shitting. A pure hypergamous society.
Is there any reason for males under 40 years not to become players in this type of society?
I reserve my right to not be on birth control. And no thanks on the soma.
i once experimented with the bc pill. the result 9 mo later was my third boy. aha haha ahaha. the dr didn’t understand his patient was so absentminded she’d sometimes leave the house with her shirt inside out.
but that whole kerfuffle over bc coverage for employees of RC institutions is ridiculous on obama’s part. never tangle with the catholic church. perhaps not the power broker it was in cdl. spellman’s day, but still not worth making an enemy of.
hahaha
I forgot to take the damn things with me on my honeymoon! Subconcious trying to tell me something, ya think? 
Yes. Will this help getting the federal government out of health care?
Thor
I thought you all might be interested in feminism’s latest casualty: the actress formerly known as Lindsay Lohan. 25 going on 55:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1019727.1328807602!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg
Yay feminism and entitlement!
How can rap be dead if Wu-Tang is forever?
Don’t trust the mainstream for any of their lies.
They misrepresent the financial marketplace: Kensian economics.
They misrepresent the sexual marketplace: Hypermagy doesn’t exist
They misrepresent the religious marketplace: pushing secular agnosticism, in all respects a practical atheism embraced by the soviets.
They misrepresent realities on the ground about race: they aren’t illegal aliens, they are undocumented workers embracing the lovey-dovey non-partisan group La Raza.
They misrepresent crime, crime statistics and crime facts for political ends.
They misrepresent the reality of foreign politics and foreign events: see the European Debt Crisis and the Arab Spring.
They misrepresent the danger posed to society by self-centered single mothers and their feral offspring.
They bow to their triune god mammon, narcissus, and baal, so that their own deviants wills may be done.
[heartiste: we are living in the age of lies, and the lords of lies are our masters. but truth is like gravity; you can keep those lies afloat for only so long before they are inevitably dragged back down to earth by the pull of reality. it seems to us like this day may never come, but come it will. just watch.]
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Well, it’s like the game Monopoly. When you run out of money,
they take you off the board. This includes empires.
The latest empire to suddenly go putzweg was the Soviet Union.
Anybody take bets on the next one?
Thor
Being right is a powerful force. Hypergamy is a unpalatable truth, but it is the truth, and that counts, even against the media used by the elites.
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All I see is a bunch of bitter, immature men that are mad they can’t control women, and I’m not far from the truth.
[heartiste: so… just how ugly are you?]
The bigger problem is women who, on a very deep level, need to be controlled by their men in order to feel loved, but deny this basic part of themselves and lash out at men who act controlling, causing confusion and unhappiness for all involved. Women’s internal conflict and delusion has brought misery to the masses by poisoning the natural balance between genders.
Heh, heh… “not far” = chick math.
Stop judging us, all feelings are valid!
Very mature.
[heartiste: how rude!]
You see, your whole world relies on a ‘woman’, not a man, believing her value lies in her appearance.
[believing’s got nothin’ to do with it.]
Since I value things other than a fleeting appearance, your insult is kinda.. childish.
[as you are claiming to be a woman, it’s no surprise you value things other than a fleeting appearance. you are projecting your desire for what you like in men onto men’s desires. or: you can value other things than your appearance, but your appearance’s value to men will never change.]
Try again, maybe you’ll realize not everyone buys into your wacko ideals.
[sour grapes.]
By the way since it matters so much to you, I used to do just fine in the dating department,
[define “fine”.]
with many physically attractive men;
[looks are only one metric of a man’s value, and not even the most important one. how rich were these men you dated? how funny? how popular? how charming? how interesting? how cultured? how strong? how willful? how intelligent? how stable? how witty?
you get the picture.]
since I ‘married young’ quite recently, I really don’t have to pretend to care what other men think anymore.
[oh but you do. you see, if you let your appearance go, your husband will slowly but surely find you less attractive, less desirable, and less worthy of his financial and emotional investment. over time you will begin to wonder why he’s coming home later from work, snapping at you, making more snide comments about the hots of other women and generally being less romantic to you in every way. now how am i confident in saying this? because as a man, my female attractiveness criteria pretty much reflect the female attractiveness criteria of the great majority of straight men. what i think is hot in women is what most men think is hot in women. so you had better “believe” that caring about what i think matters to you, even if you have no intention of taking my hot steaming load betwixt your eyes.]
To DiamondEyes, control is a very dirty word.
[what’s your view on releasing hardcore criminals from prison?]
There’s nothing wonderful or wholesome about controlling a person so you can fuck them, relationships aren’t wars, they’re journeys.
[in a sense they are wars. this is because men and women have contradictory reproductive goals. of course, as wars go, this one is very pleasurable to fight.]
Now the circle closes…you say “where pretty lies perish”.
Female hypergamy is a fact in nature, it occurs in all species that reproduce sexually – it’s only logical that humans are no different.
Every form of denial is a lie – a lie that protects egos on the individual scale and societies on the big scale – but in the end it’s still a lie.
This is hard to accept, especially if you aren’t a top notch male.
One of my favourite songs contains the refrain: “You can’t hide from the truth cause the truth is all there is”.
For me as a biologist, it is sometimes amusing, sometimes sad, sometimes refreshing and always impressive to see evolution and sexual selection at work. Btw, many things we observe anecdotally in this regard in humans are well documented and experimentally proven in animals since a long time.
We are animals!
Yes, of course sexual selection is ongoing, in
all or almost all sexual species. (Not sure how this
applies to plants, most of which are bisexual,
true hermaphrodites, except e.g. kiwi fruit trees
and hemp).
But there is a problem with using sexual selection
as an explanation for this, that or the other trait,
unless you are VERY careful, and if possible
do some actual testing.
The problem is, you can explain almost
ANY trait that is observable (at least to the
opposite sex of the same species) as being
driven by sexual selection. Then, maybe it
is, or maybe it is just random, or maybe
there is some advantage other than
mate attraction that drives. it.
Do male sharks go ga-ga over female sharks
with a really nice EKG/EEG/EMG? My
money would be on the latter.
Or vice versa???
Thor
Extensive testing has been done in labs all over the world.
Example: the concept of “social proof” is long known to happen in animals and it’s termed “mate-choice copy”.
There is an extensive body of literature about this phenomenon in animals.
Here one study about humans:
Here’s the essence: “The present study was a test of whether women perceived men to be more attractive when men were presented with a female date or consort than when they were presented alone, and whether the physical attractiveness of the female consort affected women’s copying decisions. The results suggested that women’s mate choice decision rule is to copy only if a man’s female consort is physically attractive. Being paired with a woman from a higher attractiveness group tended to
increase men’s attractiveness ratings, and being pictured with a woman from a lower group decreased men’s ratings”.
Sure. I read about Siamese fighting fish.
And, it is worth noting, the phenomenon often
works even when you swap the genders. I remember
a party, many years ago, which had a handful
of very attractive young women. One of them
ended up with a retinue of hangers on, she could
have any one of them. A couple of other, one
of which was at least as attractive, got no attention.
But the male retinue fed on itself, at least that’s what I thought.
So I got the “at least as attractive”‘s digits instead, easy.
Thor
You were quoted in “A Billion Wicked Thoughts” by Ogi Ogas and Sai Gaddam.
I highly recommend the book, BTW. The authors find many of the same themes discussed in Game blogs and try to think about the psychology behind them. Very compelling.
+1
While crowing about one’s prescience feels good, it seldom buys you much.
Better to recall the tale of Cassandra. She spurned the passion of the King of the Gods, Zeus, and he was pissed. In spite he laid a curse on her.
She was given the gift of forseeing the future but the burden of having no one believe her foresights.
Her great tragedy was that she was the daughter of the King of Troy and foresaw the coming Greek invasion. She tried and tried to warn others, including the king, but to no avail.
So sad to see the complete destruction of your home, your family, your life, and your society so clearly but to be powerless to avoid it.
A more modern version: The prediction of some
kind of financial apocalypse. I have been
reading “sky is falling” literature since at least 1970.
And all but small patches of sky refused to oblige.
But the apocalypto-prophets might still be right.
The problem is that this kind of information,
even if true, and even if accepted as true,
is only marginally useful unless it comes with a
time table. And they rarely do, and when they
do, the time table is probably wrong.
And when shit happens, a lot of pointificators
will howl “I told you so”. Yes, maybe you did,
but you didn’t tell us WHEN!
Thor
I should have expounded more on what is a man to do? He doesn’t have to convince anyone of the truth, unlike a Princess of Troy. He only needs to plot his own course in a world gone mad.
As a model, I return to “Gone With the Wind” and the lead male character, Rhett Butler.
Butler clearly saw the Civil War coming and saw all too clearly that the South would be crushed and its society destroyed by the Yankees. He was almost horsewhipped for so stating at the beginning of the book.
His response was to “not give a damn” about saving Southern society and instead make his fortune from its defeat. At first, he was a blockade runner, making nice money, and even stealing cargos of cotton to store in a Liverpool warehouse, far away from the grasping tax collectors of the Confederacy. At some point, he saw that the the game of blockade and sold his ships to those with less foresight.
For today’s young man, know the pitfalls to a happy life, make yourself the best deal you can, and good luck finding a good woman to bear and raise your children.
Agreed. Nothing but cotton, slaves and arrogance.
None of which wins wars, as a rule.
But finding your niche makes sense.
Footnote off topic, re “arrogance”. I recently
saw, finally, “The Passion of the Christ”.
And as the English subtitles rolled out
“arrogance”,
the Hebrew/Aramaeic sound track said clearly
“Chutzpah”.
Thor
Then Rhett joins the Confederate Army (after it was clearly a lost cause) and marries a southern belle.
is this post a generalization of the motives of all young women nowadays? go for the alpha exclusively, disdain the beta?
there must be women even now who size themselves up realistically. and don’t shoot for the unattainable, or more accurately, the alpha who’ll use them but never settle for them.
my own experience back when dinosaurs roamed the earth as the baby-faced ‘fattie’ (so dreaded around here) led to a fear of any overly aggressive ‘alpha’ types that came my way. i just knew intuitively it would not end well. i aspired to get a smart guy, hopefully one with a sense of humor; a _cool_ guy was out of the question. which characterized the man i married. sorry to refer to my own experience but it’s the one i know best.
my point is that there must be plenty of young women out there with a similar mindset. did all girls suddenly become stupid?
[heartiste: it’s not a question of smart vs stupid, right vs wrong. female hypergamy (and male preference for younger women) just IS. it’s a fact of life, and society accommodates it or corrals it depending on its goals. it’s best to think of women’s love of alphas as residing along a personality/hindbrain continuum, where at one end we see the thug lovers who run back to bfs who beat them up, and at the other end we have the wilting flowers who prefer the softer alpha males drawn from the pool of soft betas. as society relaxes its controls of female sexuality, more women rush to the “thug lover” side of the hindbrain continuum, and away from preferring the dutiful betas. as society strengthens its controls over female sexuality, the reverse happens.
thug loving serves a useful purpose in evolutionary terms. the sons of thugs make better protectors of the tribe, and in point of fact stupider, thuggier people outbreed smarter, empathetic people. experiments in fruit flies have actually proven the concept of an emergent idiocracy.
soft alpha/beta loving serves a useful purpose in civilizational terms. the sons of K selected women make better builders and maintainers of prosperous societies.
both strategies come with their weaknesses and strengths, but it has to be said that, in most practical senses, the evolutionary goals are at odds with the civilizational goals. in simpler terms: what’s good for the individual man or woman is not necessarily, or very often, good for a prosperous society.
this is a great truth about humanity that liberals mostly, and conservatives to a lesser degree, have trouble wrapping their brains around.]
Shorter version: Women masturbate to Daniel Craig’s 007, who is smart, vicious and capable, but ultimately unattainable, rather than to their husband’s dependability and loyalty. They will gladly accept the benefits of the latter, but they lust for the former. As their need for the latter wanes, so too their interest in bothering with their husband at all. The only thing that remains is the lust for the dark triad.
it cuts both ways.
i understand men often fantasize about hotter lovers than the ones they’re sleeping with. i say more power to them. we can’t control our thoughts during intercourse, nor should we try. that would diminish the enjoyment of the experience.
As usual, the woman misses the point…
Guys’ fantasies don’t cause them to mistreat nor disdain the woman they’re sleeping with… a guy can still get his satisfaction from a less-than-fantasy lover and be relatively happy and continue to provide… whereas the woman, at best, behaves in a perfunctory manner…. at worst ranges from divorce rape to alpha cock-carousel cuckolding.
‘As usual, the woman misses the point…’
not at all. the woman can fantasize too and still fulfill her role as a loving wife. i know it’s possible because i’ve done it. we’re not children. we understand that fantasy’s one thing; reality another.
it would benefit you to overcome this suspicion that sexual fantasy will surely lead to neglect and later infidelity. you might as well accept it–when a long married wife is having sex with her husband, it’s unlikely she’s thinking solely of him. trust me.
if ch is right, we’re all partly controlled by our hindbrains. culture and moral training muffle its promptings. it’s usually at the volume of a whisper in our day-to-day lives, i.e.,easy to ignore. when having sex, it’s at a roar. but so what. our actions are what count. don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Indeed, to both Carolyn and CH. Part of the problem
is the popular culture mixed with the need to sell
stuff, including magazines.
Cosmo and its adherents are a major force, mainly
trying to or pretending to teach young women
how to make get an alpha bf and then, step 2,
more importantly, how to make him commit.
And smarts DO in fact enter into it. Smart women,
especially those who are not great looking (by
definition; most women CANNOT be in the top
10%) CAN figure this out. If they don’t figure it
out by themselves, some tuition at the pump-and-dump
academy will teach them soon enough. But CH
is probably right that many of even the smart ones
do not figure it out, or not soon enough.
Thor
You’ll be pleased to know that Sinead O’Connor is back and newly (happily ofc.) married! Wanna take bets how long that lasts?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/arts/music/sinead-oconnors-how-about-i-be-me-and-you-be-you.html?ref=global-home&gwh=4247A255F1B98082B1B6CDDF268F5AF4
American “no-fault” divorce is yet another misnomer (see Patriot Act, ACTA etc.)
It´s ALWAYS his fault! Plain and simple
Off-topic :
http://blog.okcupid.com/
The correlation between vegetarians and oral sex gave me a chuckle
I’ve no idea what the deal is with fatties having a similar shaped but vastly amplified curve on the sex drive / self-confidence graph but to me it looks like it rings true with some of the posts in the CH archives about hamster delusions and slutty behavior as proof of market value.
Heartiste: you seem to conflate women seeking alpha males with hypergamy (aka, women “marrying up.”)
But these are really two distinct phenomena. Hypergamy has more to do with men’s socio-economic status. And being a alpha has to do with, well, being a bad ass.
Tons of beta guys can make a decent living at an office park, (and thus be “marriage material” under the hypergamy theory) but that alone does not make women seek them out (because they are still not alpha males.
In contrast, real alpha males are comfortable enough in their masculinity that they could marry a woman who earns more money, and both the male and female would be fine with that.
[heartiste: i’m appropriating the clinical definition of hypergamy to describe women’s natural inclination to pursue and be attracted to the highest status men in her social milieu. so a hypergamous female could be just as attracted to a very rich man as she could to the singer in an indie band who survives on peanuts.]
heartist
Female Hypergamy Getting Acknowledged By The Mainstream
meh. Acknowledgment of issues (gettin’ the rubes to “see the light”)
is overrated. It’s like The Powers That Be…acknowledging the Titanic is sinking.
This Just IN: Chelsea Handler is an old whore.
[heartiste: so… just how ugly are you?]
I think she is so ugly even fat beta guys don’t look at her.
CH much respect but you are really exaggerating when you say hypergamy is getting acknowledged. The blogs you linked to are all talking about falling marriage rates, but they don’t seem to make the connection to hypergamy or anything describing it.
[heartiste: read the links provided. hypergamy is directly mentioned by TCCC and yglesias.]
I just find it so hard to treat them the way they need to be treated when I get deep. It’s like when i like a chick, i just want to naturally provide and emote. It’s damn hard to stop yourself from doing it. The hardest part is when you feel your hand in the relationship slipping away……it’s like a nightmare unfolding before your vary eyes.
Oh well. There is a million pieces of ass walking around. I guess you just find another one and move on.
“I just find it so hard to treat them the way they need to be treated when I get deep. It’s like when i like a chick, i just want to naturally provide and emote. It’s damn hard to stop yourself from doing it. The hardest part is when you feel your hand in the relationship slipping away……it’s like a nightmare unfolding before your vary eyes.”
True dat. Pretty depressing, especially with all the media BS telling you that emoting and providing naturally, as you put it, is the way to go.
Love this whole contraception debate.
Lost in the decision is how either employers or the government should be subsidizing the sexual lifestyles of women.
“as society relaxes its controls of female sexuality, more women rush to the “thug lover” side of the hindbrain continuum, and away from preferring the dutiful betas. as society strengthens its controls over female sexuality, the reverse happens.”
*****
This is [v]ery interesting, I’d like a thorough understanding of why this happens. Are there any posts in the archives dealing with societal controls and the effect these mechanisms have on female sexuality?
If not, I vote for a blog entry detailing this phenomenon.