A delusional feminist (but I repeat myself) who started a Facebook group called “Pinup Girl Clothing” (don’t ask, it’s stupid), has uploaded a photo of five women with less than ideal bodies and a helpful caption explaining her reason for doing so:
There’s another one of those “this is sexier than this” photos going viral right now, so we’d like to offer an alternative. ALL women are “real” and there is no wrong way to have a body. ♥ Vanessa
The two things feminists hate most: standards, and men who make no apology for their sexual desire.
Let’s have a look at that photo demonstrating the equivalence in attractiveness between women of… unconventional body shapes:
What we have here, from left to right:
1. dumpy, hipless plain jane tatted up to distract from her prepubescent boy’s body
2. morbidly obese cow
3. thin chick whose torso is stretched too long in proportion to her legs
4. obese behemoth
5. masculinized cougar
What immediately jumps out is that the photographer chose a spindly, weirdly contoured chick to stand in for the conventional hourglass-shaped slender babe that nearly all men love and desire. Had a normally proportioned thin girl like this one…
…been chosen instead, then the other four girls would look so much worse in comparison, and we can’t have that reality upsetting the narrative. Nonetheless, even with her body flaws, the thin, pretty blonde in the middle is the most bangable. Tatboy would barely inspire a half-mast chub, the Jabba twins are right out, and most men don’t want to caress rippling triceps and six pack abs on a woman. Especially a woman cresting the hill and in sight of the wall.
Women who can’t compete with the most desired women, or who fall tantalizingly short of competing, or who once competed by now no longer do, must get some kind of deep, ego-sparing emotional satisfaction by telling themselves blatant lies about the reality of female attractiveness and male attraction standards. If women didn’t have an IQ-lowering herd mentality and an obesity epidemic disfiguring the majority of them that prompted them to sing amens in unison every time a femborg shrieked out another reality-denying whopper, we’d hear far less of this crap blaring from all our media channels. Loser chicks would go back to licking their ego wounds the old-fashioned way — by taking up poetry and staring pensively out a bedroom window.
So, for the short bus regulars (this includes you, ♥Vanessa)…
Beauty is objectively measurable. Slender women are more attractive than fat women to the overwhelming majority of men. There was never a time when men liked fat women. A 0.7 waist-to-hip ratio is the most attractive body shape for a woman. A BMI of 20.85 is the most attractive weight for a woman. A young, healthy woman with clear skin is more attractive than an old, unhealthy woman with blotchy skin. Yes, ♥Vanessa, there is a sexual marketplace, women are just as much a commodity to be bartered in this marketplace as men are, there is no alternative to this reality, and there IS a wrong way to have a body.
Hope this hurts.
But at least some women get it.
Brianna Montana: the girl in the middle is not too skinny by far… Shes just in the middle of 2 fat bitches so it makes her look exxxtra tiny.
I think are more subtle thing regarding this picture is not just what’s missing but how its attempting it’s own ‘reframe’: remove something ideal from your ‘choices’ as presented and let ‘them’ direct the discourse…
FRIST!
The one on the right is beautiful for her age.
But not for her gender.
gender is not binary, it’s a continuum.
If she were younger I would go her.
Probably speaks to some deep latent homosexuality in me, but next to the fat sows she looks damn good.
Honesty time: I’d definitely bang tattoo girl.
Feh.
yuck
So would I!
I’d hit #3. Not that that’s a huge sacrifice.
Are you sure the figure in the second pic is an hourglass one? It seems as if the girl had no waist at all! My waistline has always been a problem for me, but it’s even more distinctive than hers! (Yeah, my dearest darlings, you’ve got me right – I’m five feet four and still hate my 81-58-83.)
I’m built for big women and small cattle… what’s your number, darlin’?
Unfortunately, there’s no use telling you my number unless you really want to spend all your salary on phone calls. BTW, greetings from Ukraine!
PS: I meant ‘distinct’, not ‘distinctive’ in my previous comment. The thing is I’m too drowsy now, having spent a trying day at university. However, judging from what I’ve already read in this blog, my WHR could make up even for utter illiteracy, couldn’t it?:)
[heartiste: yes. at least for a sexy fling.]
Save the “trying day a university” stuff, babooshka… sure you’ve got a brain… but you’ve got bosom and bum as well, and which is bigger?
There’s a reason God put our eyes right up front, but our ears way back.
‘Babooshka’? Shut up, I’m 19 and look like a 15-year-old (dammit, always hated my face and my height).
Don’t hate your face. If you have a babyface, this is a big advantage.
(You’ll start to REALLY hate your face when it starts to change … hint: Try to find a boyfriend before your 25th birthday.)
“Ultramar (comic book shit) … spend all your salary … Ukraine … university”
LOSER
Knowing what Ultramar is, even in a vague sense, disqualifies you from ever calling people losers.
The Emperor Protects
The same for you, mate.
PS: hell yeah, I’m Ukrainian and proud of it. As well as of being a Warhammer 40k female fan and having a true blue Ultramarine personality (that is actually why I ended up adopting such a nickname).
“Unfortunately, there’s no use telling you my number unless you really want to spend all your salary on phone calls.”
Skype is cheap. Have fun, you two.
Do you go to Chevchenko?
Nay, I just can’t afford it and go to KPI (which is considered even better than Shevchenko university nowadays, though) instead =) Faculty of Love… oh, shit, I meant Faculty of Linguistics.
Are we compatriots? *tears in the Warrioress’s eyes*
Those measurements are in centimeters and she has nice measurements- she’s petite, about a size 2.
In English American measurements, Ultramar (is that a play on Outremer?) has measurements of 31- 20 -32 and 5’4″.
Gentlemen, if you seek wife material, go to Ukraine. The worst you will see among the dating age women is the girl in the center in the propaganda photo above. My wife is prettier than the girl in the bottom photo and looks better now than when I married her. She has fleshed out a little and has nice, juicy curves that all of us want. She’s 33 and gets dirty looks all the time from women much younger than her, who think she’s their age. Moreover, she’s fun, kind, and a joy to be with. At this point, I couldn’t find any of these but the center girl in the photo pretty enough to want to be involved with. This is a big reason I don’t cat around much. There is nothing to trade up to.
Proud to be Ukrainian once again! We are probably the only country to have national and world literature as separate subjects on the school curriculum, our people are still among the most educated and well-read in the world, and our chicks are indisputably the hottest! The last one, however, is more than distressing even for a greater beta:(
By the way, the girl in the middle of the first pic looks a lot like my former groupmate who won our beauty contest as a fresher. She ruined a nice photo of myself once by standing out in the background. Everyone noticed her first and was constantly asking me who the hell it is. On hearing it was our “Faculty of Brides” beauty queen, they were shocked…
PS: you may look up the Ultramar thing in the English-language Wiki.
I realized the use of the metric scale after the fact… sigh… so much for big women and small cattle.
(cue muted trumpet sound “wah wah wah waaaaaaah”)
Did you really think anyone would boast of such measurements in inches here? At least this particular blog is not the best place to do it:)
Thanx, but I’d rather call it flat-chested and damn fat X)
How can you be fat with 81-58-83?
I think I have seen your comment in one other topic. You seemed like normal … but now this … WTF, why do you need to tell us how amazing your waist is? Are you just trolling? Or I’m just old and jealous … Most likely.
ahahhaaaa!
What?
If I had ever been trolling anyone here, it couldn’t have been you! Actually, I don’t think much of my figure at all:
1) my waist measures are, so to say, constantly fluctuating:
2) having an S waist and all the rest in the XS category is no bed of roses.
Plus I have to admit that I no longer consider myself young either:) I really think the best years of a person’s life are 15 to 18 or so, which means my primes are already over and I’ve waisted them in tears and hysterics because of a stupid nerd.
this hater phenomenon is quite common. walk down the street with a model and behold the dozens of dirty looks thrust her way. its a classic defence mechanism for a (usually medicore or less) girl who rues the fact shell never attract a genuine alpha and projects that bitterness outward.
PS: slim waist + womanly hips + C cups = hourglass figure. your playboy centerfold #s might be more extreme than hers, but, based on your post, i seriously doubt you come even close to being in the same world of attractiveness.
Everything is OK. But for one thing. Where’s the goddam waist in the pic in question?
“There was never a time when men liked fat women.” How do you explain Rubens?
[heartiste: oh what an exception he waaaaaasssss…. (i’m in a singing mood)]
Well, I’ll take one for the team, guys… I like the tall behemoth… besides, she’s the only one who looks like mother material.
I would tit-fuck two. That’s all my much smaller, middle European frame could accomplish.
Rubens wasn’t the only one. Look up in Wikipedia, you lazy sceptical bastards:)
[heartiste: rubens was the only one who painted women as plump as he did. and in point of fact the majority of his contemporaries painted slender women.
you should also keep in mind that rubens wasn’t painting masturbation material. had he been doing that, his women would likely have been much thinner.]
Must we revisit this nonsense argument forever?
Plump can be attractive and manageable in amour. Many women exhibit a natural plumpness that is simply their body type and not obesity.
The women above are a collection of freaks from different racial backgrounds. Three and four are the nearest genetically despite the difference in carriage. They are also the most obviously Nordic.
The fleshy gals in Rubens’ work are intended to convey the exuberant health associated with nymphs as an archetype, and in real terms reflect the often larger proportions of Nordic women who are taller, have wider hips, and consume more dairy.
“Besides diversifying European hair and eye color, sexual selection may have accentuated existing sexual dimorphisms. Several studies have found wider hips, narrower waists, and thicker deposition of subcutaneous fat in women of European descent than in women of other origins (Hrdlička, 1898, Meredith & Spurgeon, 1980 and Nelson & Nelson, 1986). Even before birth, Euro-American fetuses show significantly more sexual dimorphism than do African-American fetuses (Choi & Trotter, 1970). The proximal cause may be lower androgen production than in women of sub-Saharan African descent (Falkner et al., 1999) and higher estrogen production and lower fecal excretion of estrogen than in women of north/east Asian descent (Adlercreutz et al., 1994, Coker et al., 1997, Key et al., 1990, Taioli et al., 1996 and Wang et al., 1991). Prenatal exposure to estrogen, as indicated by digit ratio, may also be higher in European women, albeit with much interpopulation variation (Manning et al., 2000; Manning, J. T. (2003). Personal communication). This variation may reflect a maternal-age effect: digit ratio is higher in Catholic countries like Poland and Spain, where mothers generally bear children in their 20s, than in Germany and Finland, where more mothers bear children in their 30s (Manning et al., 2000).”
http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_evolution_of_blond_hair_and_blue_eyes_among_nordics/
Art, when not self-consciously realistic, exaggerates. It always has and always will. “Maternal” proportions suggest precisely that: health and maternal ability. As R points out, these paintings weren’t fap fodder, but idealization.
Classical and even modern art is replete with slenderer specimens. You can look that up at Wikipedia too, loser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokeby_Venus
Sometimes loser beta-males fetishize unnattractive features because hey, if you can’t get steak you might as well learn to like sausages. Doesn’t make it right.
There’s nothing freakish about #3. She’s very attractive.
And sometimes the imprinting from our mums just hardwire us a certain way.
Besides, the mark of a true Viking warrior is to be jolly amidst adversity.
he was black.
The “ideal” figure is _partially_ culturally defined. In times when
starvation was a constant threat (most of human history),
fat meant RICH, RESOURCEFUL and, most importantly for
women ABLE TO CARRY THROUGH A PREGNANCY without
baby or mother starving.
An interesting twist is that (despite even more interesting
racial variations) women rarely get a potbelly, whereas men do.
Reason: Potbelly makes you look pregnant.
(OK, with sufficient obesity women can get a potbelly too,
but hips [whites, mainly] and butts [blacks, mainly] pack fat
first.)
Now, we live in a time of caloric plenty, at least in the industrial
world. So the deal changes.
FAT = old (it takes TIME to build up true obesity), lack of self control,
poor (carbs are cheap, meat and veggies more expensive, my
mother tongue has a word that translates “breadswollen” for
the high carb fat and poor sorts).
THIN = young, self control, rich (meat and veggies).
A complicating factor is that the fashion industry wants ultra-thin
women, for several reasons, among which
a) Shows of clothes better (they are selling clothes, to women not men)
b) Fashion designers are often gay and want their women to look
like young boys.
As a result, most Western men, if they have a choice, want
women with just a LITTLE plumpness. Think PlayMate,
not the fashion ads. But individual preferences vary.
Thor
Come down to the local Walmart sometime. You’ll see lots of women with pot bellies. I’ll even buy the beer.
I know. Compare WalMart, which is a reverse fashion show (including the men) and compare with Bristol Farms (specialty groceries, I go there
only for stuff I cannot get elsewhere, everything including everyday items
is expensive, think Harrods, but just groceries).
At Bristol Farms, no woman under 50 is fat. (And not very many men).
This illustrates the class distinctions. BUT, there are plenty of individual
exceptions – rotundity in men is socially acceptable. Life is not fair to
anybody.
Thor
Ahh, Rubens. Every deluded scale-buster’s highfalutin excuse for their undiscipline. I’m surprised there hasn’t been reference to how hot paleolithic man considered the Venus of Willendorf to be.
Do we really have to talk about this? Do we really have to constantly reassert that water is wet and salt is salty? I suppose we do.
Cherubic baby fat is attractive in a neotonic way, but not sexually. He’s fat and gentle and jolly, like a big ol’ baby! When displayed on large adults undulating heft is more the emblem of an unhealthy life than it can ever be a trigger of our impulse to protect children.
Similarly, a tightly formed layer of unsagging thickness can be a shapely, sexually attractive sign of soft femininity (NSFW and NSFW) compared to counting the bones on the shriveled chest of a bulimic. But as usual, feminists take a solid principle and rocket it off into stratospheric preposterousness. The moderating constant is youth and health.
Heartiste says Rubens didn’t paint jerk-off material. That’s a blunt way of saying the painter idealized heft into an expression of fecundity and healthiness in a way that only oil on canvas can achieve. I can look at a figure of Rubens and not be repulsed because I know it was conjured from a figment of the artist’s creativity, whereas when I see that weight attached to a real body frame I know it is the consequence of gluttony and possibly a hatred for life.
Such a good post.
That girl in the first link is incredible…
And yeah, youth+health is what it’s about.
Oh, and the “natural plumpness” some people talk about has nothing to do with this. That kind of so-called plumpness is not present in the picture above. Women are very seldom born so fat as to be unattractive. There are slight variations in shape, sure, but calling the fatness seen in the picture natural is ridiculous.
NSFW #1 is my girl right there.
12 body, 8 face. That’s a full 10.
Damned well done. Funny that it mirrors mine exactly, though of course, yours is more eloquent. Deluded scale-buster ought to be in every man’s vocabulary.
“I’m surprised there hasn’t been reference to how hot paleolithic man considered the Venus of Willendorf to be.”
That’s precisely what I had in mind when I said art has always exaggerated, above.
Rubens large women are mostly inspired by his second wife. She was16 when he married her at the age of 53 and was better looking than his first wife, even after Ruben pumped 5 kids out of her.
First wife
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_Brant
Supposed image of second wife [central figure of Venus]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peter_Paul_Rubens_115.jpg
Rubens chubbiest women were based on models of mothers who had delivered many children and were STILL thinner than many of the women who today prance around claiming to be “Big boned”.
Says it all really.
He may well have been attracted to that however. As I said above, without better options, men and women will begin to fetishize all kinds of weird shit. If all you can get are land-whales, then some people begin to truly believe that that’s attractive. Their preferences won’t shift until high value women become available, and sometimes not even then.
they couldn’t erase paint then. probably just fixed errors by widening the margins until he got it to perfection. either that, or the fact he was a master at depicting wild beasts other violently unnatural scenes.
Pee Wee Herman? Likes WOMEN??
Makes me wonder how the rise of feminism correlates with the rise of obesity in western women. Pretty closely, I’d wager.
What’s wrong with #5 again? Id blow her back ouuuuuuut.
Her ass is okay and her thighs are good, but her abs and upper body are way too muscular.
Interesting. I think her legs and ass look rather manly.
Francine, defend the brood!
In all seriousness, if she had a non-cunty, non-androgen personality, I’d go for it. Achieving that body mass is a noteworthy accomplishment (unlike having a subsidized career), and if she were feminine it would suggest an ability for loyalty.
Plus I’d like my wife to be able to help me defend the compound when the fuzz finally raid it.
Before or after she rammed you with her python?
if you are a legs and ass kinda guy, absolutely nothing…
The middle thin one’s body language says she is afraid of catching fat. Good for her.
#4 isn’t obese. she’s average in america.
[heartiste: it’s sad cause it’s true.]
I thought there might be a joke about reubens in there…This reminds me of the Dove campaign about real beauty, which I thought was good, but I feel this one is stretching marking the truth.
er, that should read “stretch marking the truth.”
its actually brilliant. they realized north america had a a rapidly fattening population and by accepting this grotesque state of affairs they appealed to a market of hundreds of millions who were otherwise ostracized by marketing that featured attractive (fit) models.
its hamster-wheel marketing at its finest, and ill bet its effective as hell.
I don’t think your ideal model is any prettier than the thin blonde in the first photo.
because you’re a girl. you don’t perceive feminine beauty in exactly the same way men do.
Seriously? Come on!
What? The brunette model is definitely more beautiful than the blonde, although, her beauty is supported by Photoshop and favorable lighting. Certainly my dream physique if I can finally put on the pounds.
If anyone needed evidence of women being bad judges of looks, this is it. Females can give you a vague picture of another woman’s beauty, a man can hone in and present you with a photo realistic picture within a second.
I would also suggest that she rates the blonde higher than she should because of a point CH made: visually her torso looks longer than her legs. This is a key attribute that seperates men and women (women, the attractive, have squat torsos and lengthly legs.) She rates the blonde because it is kicking off attraction triggers that she has for men.
The same reasoning applies as to why lesbians like big bull dykes. Even though their sexuality is skewed, they cannot shake the innate attraction triggers they have that are wired to men.
A+
…attraction triggers that she has for men.
A rather common occasion. Had a dispute about the modeling industry. It was explained to me that the clothing looks better as displayed on a human hanger, rather than proportionally delightful models more appealing to men. This would of course explain their boyish faces….not.
“i have a friend you *must* meet! she is sooo so so gorgeous!”
how often is this true (or even close). never.
whenever they introduce you to someone genuinely attractive, the only thing theyll mention is personality compatibility.
Lara you must be joking.
I quite like thin girls but hips, boobs and a thin waist lead a mans eye every time.
On second thought, she is not as attractive as the model. Even so, she isn’t bad. Not every woman is born with great curves, and she is doing the right thing by staying thin.
And there has never been a time when most men liked extremely skinny bony rail-thin women with no breasts, no hips, and no softness, *including now*.
The tendency towards overly thin supermodels comes from the fashion industry, which industry is largely created for women. And to a large extent by women (And gay men).
Accusing straight men of liking anorexic girls is a strawman tactic.
[heartiste: also, the definition of anorexia has been expanded (heh) by fat fuck femcunts to include what would have in the past been normal-weight thin girls. anything to normalize fatness as an acceptable body shape.]
Gay men like boys… and Jews like to save money on fabric… voila, the fashion industry.
Fucking hell dude, give the Jewish thing a rest. 33% of Nobel Prize winners and 50% of Fields medal winners are European Jews, we’ve got a lot to thank them for. Read The 10,000 Year Explosion.
Jews do tend to pat themselves on the back…
They also made/make up a hefty percentage of fields of endeavor not quite so noble… which you conveniently ignore.
But onward… the ‘fabric’ thing was just a joke about stick-figure super models being touted by their media.
And all those millions of dudes buy millions of dollars worth of XXX magazines with nothing but thin ladies inside just for the articles…AMIRITE???
The women in porn are thin compared to the obese average American woman but they are not the walking sticks that feminists accuse men of trying to turn women into.
I agree. As I noted elsewhere in this thread, the ultrathin
is a product of the fashion industry, homo designers and
women, including some who could have been hot, outdoing
each other in the thinner-than-thou contest. As with men
(and their 100K cars and 10K stereos) many women spend
more time and money trying to impress each other than
trying to attract men.
Thor
the girls in porn are fit or natural but never fat, but the older they are, the fitter they are. That is, the 18 yo bitches are completely natural, toned or not. But a 25 y.o. porn star has fake boobs and works out every day to compete in the business. The younger girls fresh off the streets don’t need to compensate.That is, the youth (i.e., vitality and pertness (and not the pervy side of what the prudes would imply)) are the most important things, and none of these five bitches can really claim that they have that, can they?
Dudes still buy XXX mags? :confused:
Thin ladies of the catwalk < thin ladies of porn… fail more.
the actual reason for this is that high fashion models (the only type that are “extremely skinny/rail-thin” as you put it) are essentially clothes hangers and high fashion looks best on a bony frame (draping effect).
its not an attempt to create a new paradigm of beauty. its straight up marketing.
Which again, explains their boyish faces too eh?
AND it looks like shit.
http://www.lilith-ezine.com/articles/fashion/Stick-Figure-Models.html
The tattoo girl would be ok looking without all the ink.
The ink, and more important, the <i<mentality to get all that ink, is what now defines the girl.
Might as well say a skunk would have a tolerable scent, were it not for the odor.
#2 would look ok with fgas, professional photoshopping, and beer goggles.
Notice how Rubens legacy was short lived?
I should like to see a male version of “when did this, become hotter than this?” that compares feminized modern males with men of the mid 20th century.
[heartiste: try this. this. and this.]
Also, what to do with the feminization of men?
Game, etc. can’t take hold with weak ass men.
I believe in the fact that when men lead, women follow. However, the feminization of men means to me that so few men are trying to lead so the “soft man ” will now be the new expectation for all men to follow, thus exacerbating the problems we face.
It’s not just fashion or culture, it’s genetic. In fact, it’s linked to the rise of autism through assortative mating pressures. ie, increasingly beta nerds can gain economic power in society, giving them the confidence to get laid, and thus creating an evolutionary pressure towards betaness. Low social skills and beta are linked (alphas rarely have autistic kids), and also because betas pair-bond, they’re more likely to have kids.
End result? Massive increases in both autism *and* betaness, as well as a resurgence in young 20-something’s getting married. The genes drive the culture, which then amplifies the genetic signal even further.
The point is, increased beta-ness in society is not some conspiracy, it’s an organic process driven by the rise of knowledge-workers and decline of traditional alpha-male professions. Game can help to change this balance, maybe.
Actually, game only accelerates that process by allowing said beta males more opportunities to use their general-purpose intelligence to become more attractive. With game, many beta males who otherwise would struggle to reproduce are now able to increase their SMV.
End result? More beta males genes in the gene pool.
Here you go.
I would do 1, 3 and 5 without an issue. Are they typical W/H ratio? No. But I’d still enjoy them. Perhaps their atypical proportions have made them more … ah … adventurous.
#5 looks like Sam Carter from Stargate, but with extra muscles.
#3 and #5 are in a different league compared with the cows and the tatooine.
#3 – 6
#5 – 5
#1 – 2 (I hate extreme tatoos, the make healthy skin look sickly)
#2,#4 – 1
OT: In another thread, corvinus led off the commentary with this doozy: “Personally, being religious, I’d have to get married since extra-marital fornication would doom me to hellfire….”
I regret not being around to respond to this sophistic canard (but mostly I blame the Chateau’s weak forum functionality). White-knuckled worrywarts like Pastor Corvinus of the Quaker-Puritan-Calvinist ilk are their own worst enemies. They speak for the “religious” and they give us all a bad name.
“The glory of God is man fully alive.” — St. Irenaeus
The circle has been squared. Marriage, and all those stages defined against it like pre-marital and extra-marital, is about perfectibility, not about the “eternal hellfire” caused by incidental imperfections. Marriage has lately been reconstructed into the dungeon of beta-male torture, and that has everything to do with our modern but still very faithful approach to the sacrament. Corvinus and his Protestant presumptions of total depravity and sola this and sola that are fine concepts run amok.
Relax, my brothers in Christ. And to war.
I don’t quite understand how my comments in particular got your knickers in such a twist, but I do find it rather amusing. Thanks for the chuckle.
Thanks for this post.
I have been looking at the “fat acceptance” movement for some time now and seeing how it is gaining steam. We see now plenty of “plus-size” models, talk, etc. etc.
Do you see the trend reversing? I am sorry to say I don’t. It’s seems that the women like in the photo you posted are growing and thus here to stay for the next 50-75 years.
Very depressing for the younger generation.
Another thing, look at the dumbass expressions on their dumbass faces. I recognize that look as saying “we’re a bunch of women who are doing things to create a false consensus, aren’t we just a bunch of super-enlightened gals. Grrrl power!” Host is right about women lowering the collective IQ, they’ll go along with whatever they’re told to do. How about this scenario, what conditions does it take for an otherwise normal girl to jump on to a bar and start dancing, or to start unbuttoning that blouse? One other girl, two other girls? Or a single hot bartender bitch doing it first? We’ve all seen bars in which this happens. Hell, take your girl to a strip club and see how long it is before she’s fake-lezzing up a stripper.
[heartiste: yeah, and, btw, the thin girl in the middle is definitely thinking “i’m so glad i don’t look like these two fatsos standing next to me”. there goes the grrlpower alliance.]
“… the thin girl in the middle is definitely thinking “i’m so glad i don’t look like these two fatsos standing next to me”. there goes the grrlpower alliance.”
So true. I hate this hypocrisy …
But what do these obese women around her think? “I’m glad I don’t look like this anorexic standing next to me!”?
[heartiste: nope. more like “i’m crying on the inside.”]
Seriously Maya? A woman can be too skinny, sure, but it beats being obese. C’mon.
askjoe,
“How about this scenario, what conditions does it take for an otherwise normal girl to jump on to a bar and start dancing, or to start unbuttoning that blouse? One other girl, two other girls? Or a single hot bartender bitch doing it first? We’ve all seen bars in which this happens. Hell, take your girl to a strip club and see how long it is before she’s fake-lezzing up a stripper.”
And what exactly is so wrong with anyone doing this? If they have fun … I don’t see anything wrong.
no, most bitches would dismiss those girls as bar skanks. The point was the follow the leader, social collective brain melting going on up in here.
The UGLY one
has GOT to be
gbfm’s moms
but with her blackened
eye photoshopped out
Will you kids quit fighting like little bitches? You’re making the whole forum look bad.
cain and able 2.0
Your hall monitoring isn’t creating much cache either.
Ian
Will you kids quit fighting like little bitches?
With a name like “ian” …I can actually hear
you lisping
when you type
I’m sorry to offend, but any man who finds the girl on the right even slightly attractive has some issues to work through. There is nothing sexy about a woman who could crush your skull. Just the way she is posing grosses me out.
That woman wants a penis…. not inside her, but dangling between her 36 inch quads.
random dude
There is nothing sexy about a woman who could crush your skull.
Dude – don’t venture down there: alphas don’t eat pussy; THAT’S for betas.
There’s jest in what your saying, but what is everyone’s stance on this?
From a personal perspective, I have rarely gone down there and couldn’t think of nothing worse than doing so during a SNL. (Sperm can last three days within a vagina. The girl you picked up Saturday could have had a load blown up there on Friday.) Obviously, it has caused problems with girls who are used to chumps chowing down daily in the hope that by sexually servicing them they’ll stick around and love them long time; but the ever handy “If you don’t like it, go” saves a man from many problems.
She better be 18 and fresh as a daisy. I’m almost never in the mood for raw clams.–
uh’s conditions:
No going down on anything over 20 years of age and 110 pounds. Best under 19 and closer to 100lb. There must be no stench or anything out of the ordinary. Not too hairy, but no razor burn if shaven. As near to a teenage body as possible in short.
Must be so beautiful that one is moved to the act by overwhelming desire to possess the creature in every fashion. Otherwise it is a favor or concession, and a cunt is no place for that.
In an LTR I enjoy the power-trip of making a girl cum. But many girls interpret too-early head as supplication and they’re probably right.
If you want a position that’ll make a girl cum hard and give you that same power-trip, flip her on her stomach and fuck her from behind with her whole body lying flat on the bed.
This position has two effects: one, it stimulates the g-spot hard, so if she’s warmed up she’ll be out of her mind. And two, if you can’t manage deep penetration from this position, you know she’s too fat and you’ve had a fuck-up.
i generally screen for fatness way before that point.
Ian Ianstructed:
if you can’t manage deep penetration from this position, you know she’s too fat and you’ve had a fuck-up.
If you’re waiting THAT long
to use your cock as some sort of depth gauge
best use it as a divining rod to check
for a prostate first
I am more and more willing to go down since I watched the old porn castings of pierre woodman. That guy is a bald, hairy, ugly, probably smelly motherfucker but he’s a goddamn pro. I was like “whatever” at the beginning of his stuff and a few minutes later I went “holy sh***t”.
He’s got a little rep in the pua forums:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/145602
I tried his style (he’s like so secretive about his technique, I think it’s just the old A-spot, back deep spot from the a’hole stuff…). And there’s something about giving a girl powerful orgasms, providing one is not doing it dutifully like a beta sycophant. If you maintain your uber alpha frame, there’s nothing wrong in giving chicks pleasure, if you feel like it.
So yeah fuck it, if a girl meets my hygiene standards and is not a notorious filthy slut, I just do it. Only because I like the total submissiveness that usually follows spine-shattering sex.
If you can’t eat off the floor, then what’s been jumping on the table? My dick isn’t going anywhere not good enough for my tongue.
I like a good face to face with a baby powder smelling, exclusive gash. I count better to 99 when I start at 69.
I hate to admit it, but you could be right… I’m sensing strap-on action between her and my darling behemoth.
While she’s certainly no 10, she’s not near as bad as you make her out to be. She’s about a 7. I’ll take a toned body over a flabby one any day.
I doubt that. She is probably just athletic and has overdone it with the weights.
ru saying
she’s your type
Any dude who is turned off because he thinks a girl could beat him has some much more serious issues to work through, preferably at the gym.
I’m 6’2″ 220 and simply prefer feminine women. She could not beat me, nor did I say she could, but please note the description our host provided: masculinized. Do you agree that this 150+ plus pound woman has compromised her femininity?
She has the abs of a male power-lifter, and her thighs are so overbuilt that they stick out more than her ass. If she stayed away from the gym for 4 months, ate salads instead of muscle milk, and hit some Yoga classes, she might be the 7 claimed earlier.
I’ll work through my issues, but I guarantee putting on another 20 pounds of muscle isn’t going to make me want to fuck a shemale.
I am not bothered by #5′s hard body but I am more muscular than she is so I don’t have to worry about having my skull crushed. I also admit there is the novelty factor, as I have never dated a bodybuilder.
On the other hand I am reminded of the comment made by Guy Ritchie that making love to Madonna was like cuddling up with a piece of gristle. Ugh. I don’t think #5 is quite there thankfully, I see a little bit of curve.
She’d be just fine for Paul Lüth.
Firepower
LURVS how
the tall blonde
touches the fatty
as though, she had
leprosy
And I love the femthink (subsection of groupthink, directed speech) “all bodies are good bodies,” sort of like the same group of tards would say “there’s no such thing as an illegal person,” or anything posted on the walls in your average USSR factory. Scratch a lefty and find a totalitarian, they hate the truth and things that can’t be controlled.
At my age, I’d do three and five in a heartbeat. But especially three.
None of those bodies appeal to me. However, Vanessa does have a point.
If porn is any indication of what men like and want, then all of those bodies ARE good bodies. Websites and video stores are loaded with porn featuring all of those women. So, there must be a demand for it since the supply is a plenty. Right?
[heartiste: wrong. the vast majority of porn marketed to straight men features slender, BMI and WHR appropriate babes. that there exist fatty and fetish niche markets in porn in no way invalidates this point.]
is right about women hating the fact that we compare them and “stack rank” them all. The thing is, we choose who we choose and what we want. Somewhere out there, a dude is looking at #2 and #4 and rockin’ a hard one.
[so what? there’s always a weirdo in every population. what good does it do a fat chick if one thousand men like thin girls and one man likes her gross corpulence? since fat chicks outnumber thin chicks, the odds are very high she will wind up alone and unloved.]
While not for me, it is hard to argue with Vanessa.
[nice troll job. not only is it not hard to argue with vanessa, it is ridiculously easy to discredit her argument.]
“If porn is any indication of what men like and want, then all of those bodies ARE good bodies.”
No. Ten minutes of fantasy doesn’t mean anyone would want that in reality. And the most popular porn stars are not heavy, just the fetish actresses (and I wouldn’t call them stars).
By the way, men fantasize about a lot of things they’d never do in reality. I often dream about buying up all the ice cream cakes in my local supermarket and eating them but don’t do it. Hey, there’s a lesson there!
There’s scat porn too, but that doesn’t mean I’m making a dash towards the shit-covered redhead at the bar like a bug towards a bug light.
All incomes are good incomes!
$7/hour is just as good as $100k per year. Cornbread tastes just as good as filet mignon.
Women who can’t see the beauty in living and raising children under the poverty level are just superficial misandrists. They don’t appreciate TRUE wealth – the kind you can’t count with bills.
Yes, and all heights are good heights. I’m sure these women would be totally accepting to guys as tall as Prince. He’s big on the inside and that’s all the should count to them.
Your comment takes the (fat-free) cake IMHO!
I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard a woman say that the short guy would be a “great friend.” Or that the hard worker in accounting is a “good guy to know.” Or that the guy with no muscles or no education is a “nice guy.”
The double standard of chicks is f-ing insane.
I think the worst thing about that picture is how the short, fat one looks waaaaaayyy to pleased with herself.
But that reflects upon us men… I knew a woman even more of a land whale than the girl in the picture who got remarried within a few months after her first husband dumped her… geez, she even had two kids in tow.
They don’t call it the Celibate States of America for nothing.
Ladies, you can argue all day about what is attractive, but ultimately it comes down to this:
Do you give the guy a boner?
+1
[heartiste: and some bodies are better than other bodies at inspiring boners.]
Yes, I know.
That attempt by the femborg collective is a FAIL that borders on epic.
There’s only one way to handle #2:
http://www.whalecraft.net/Harpoons.html
Way to pick a bunch of fugmos. Fembot propaganda at it’s finest.
I know a couple of dudes who’d stick it to the human Rorschach test on the left, but really the only remotely bangable one in the whole lineup is the blonde stork in the middle. Even though she’s a 5.5 at best, at least she isn’t a total fucking hog. It was considerate of the photographer to dress at least one of the the mammoth fatties in somewhat fupa-concealing underwear. I only puked up half my lunch instead of the whole thing.
I am kind of wondering why that steroids guy on the right got breast implants, though. If he wants bigger pecs that bad, he should just hit the incline bench.
Muscular women can be attractive, although the woman on the right isn’t really. For example:
http://www.girlswithmuscle.com/115426/
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/photos/view-user-photo/9478752
http://www.girlswithmuscle.com/142044/
http://tessan.shapemeup.se/files/2011/08/IMG_2301.jpg
Would they be more attractive without prominent muscles? I’m not sure (for most women yes, but perhaps not in every case), but it’s certainly not an unattractive body shape if at a moderate and natural level as shown above.
Obviously I don’t extend this admiration to huge roided-up “FBB”s, who are disgusting.
I would call her more of a figure model than a body builder. When the shoulders get broad, the abs get defined, and the boobs turn into pecs, no thanks.
If you’re referring to the girl in the video, she does have defined abs as seen here:
Obviously the distinction between figure model and body builder is subjective, but she’s clearly got “surprising” muscles for a woman, yet imo has a very attractive body and probably looks better than she would with any other body type. Most women are however more attractive with a somewhat softer-looking body than that.
It’s a shame that bodybuilding is associated with disgusting and ridiculous over-bulkiness in both men and women – ideallly, female bodybuilders would all aspire to look like the above.
Agreed.
http://www.girlswithmuscle.com/131835/
http://www.girlswithmuscle.com/images/full/673631.jpg
Agreed, girls with some muscle on them, which makes them curvier and brings out their figure, are great. It’s a nice antithesis to blobby rolls of fat. Moderation, of course, is key.
As some of the facebook commenters have suggested, the *ultimate* response to this would be a picture of 5 dudes of totally different appearances with the same caption. Women may be able to be irrationally optimistic about female body image, but put the fat dude with a beer belly next to a skinny dude and a buff dude and they’ll get the point.
That said, I’d prefer far right, then far left, then middle. Middle has neither T nor A and looks to have a weird face.
From a long-term perspective, far right is a lot less likely than middle to turn into middle-right, since she clearly cares about fitness. But the point of this isn’t the long-term perspective.
[heartiste: 9 out of 10 men agree: the woman in the pic under the five is the hottest of them all.]
[heartiste: 9 out of 10 men agree: the woman in the pic under the five is the hottest of them all.]
Also, becoming extremely rare. And I live in the DC area where there is a nice ratio of thin chicks but nothing like that pic.
>Also, becoming extremely rare
In what sense? Why, if there are lots of slim women?
Slim but don’t take care of themselves, so they end up looking actually a little worse than the thin chick in the first photo.
They don’t exercise and depend on natural metabolism which means that, yes, they are thin, but they are the ugly thin kind.
All women, regardless of their overall rates of metabolism, need to be taught from birth at the earliest stage in life to exercise regularly and eat a paleo-diet to maintain a healthy and high quality of life.
Otherwise, you get chicks slightly worse than #3 in the photo as standard, AT BEST.
some might get the point, but many will find ways to reframe the comparison as not being the same thing.
never underestimate the power of the hamster.
Girl in the middle has big feet which usually means small tits
ha ha!
‘all bodies are good bodies’, yet when you click on the other photo albums on the facebook page, most of the girls are at least ok looking. no #2s or #4s to be found.
Feminists ARE OPPRESSORS
and Discriminationists
There are no
Octogenarian undies
or Amputees
(with tats)
Fat chicks need lovin’ too…
‘Cept they gotta pay.
—Quagmire
I’d fuck the cougar and middle girl.
I likey milf porn a lot, but the milf is too butched up for more than cursory fuck and run—her vagina probably isn’t that lubricated, due to her old age and increased testosterone from working out/juicing.
Middle girl has pretty face but is standing awkwardly—she should take some pages from Stacy Keibler, another long-legged, skinny girl with a smaller rack, who accents her legs over torso and looks red-hot for doing it. Sticking middle girl in high heels and short skirt with a thigh-high-slit would really do wonders for her.
The other three should be burned at the stake.
Let’s be honest. That pic was created by the “League of Celibacy.” I mean, come on!
This photo may be worse than the cervix pic.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Who the fuck are women kidding? Get on a dating sight and look at the preferences of virtually all “heavyset” women. There, you’ll find both height and income requirements in the upper 10 percentile. This especially goes for black women, for some reason.
The message is: You don’t get to have standards, but I do. I long for the days fatties knew their place.
>>>I long for the days fatties knew their place.
Do you mean their place in line at the cupcake shop??? Seriously, WTF is up with the cupcake shops now? (I wish Jerry Seinfeld would comment on this).
they should be immediately banned as a threat to the public health. the premises should be burned to the ground and the soil plowed under with salt.
yes, i feel that strongly.
er…i got the sense that this message was sent w/o guys or sexual desirability in mind. that is, it was all between us girls. get some perspective, stop obsessing about your physical selves for a moment. i understood it that way.
Their “physical selves” reflect their — what’s your chosen word, carolyn — perhaps — souls —
An obese pig and a tatted-up slattern tell you all you need to know at a glance.
‘An obese pig and a tatted-up slattern tell you all you need to know at a glance.’
well, that’s you. maybe being a women i’m just less judgemental, at least about other women’s looks. constantly obsessing about my own weight w/o much success until recently makes me more empathetic to others with the same trouble. walk a mile in another’s shoes and all that. (having said that, i do wonder what on earth the tatted one was thinking.)
again i took this to be a message to women to get some perspective and not about appeal to the opposite sex.
I’m curious about what CH visitors will think about this. I don’t hate women for being unattractive. But I still would not want to engage romantically or sexually with unattractive women.
I have a friend, a girl, who is a 3-4. I think of her platonically. She’s moderately funny, she’s fun to talk to, she shares many of my interests.
I wish her well. Live and let live.
But I would not tap dat.
I don’t disapprove of her. Why would I?
While the message may come off well-intentioned to some, it’s mostly just a trojan horse for the self-serving feminist agenda to subvert ancient beauty standards as per usual.
It’s patently ridiculous that all female bodies are somehow to an equal extent “good.” From this photograph, clearly some are in major need of a medical intervention as there is nothing healthy nor “good” about suffocating yourself from the inside.
I’m all for people having a basal level of self-respect, but lying to people like this only further divorces them from reality
Actually, you’re right. Women obsess about their bodies, but mostly when its too late. Fortunately every pot has a lid.
Please, stop. Don’t try to pretend something occurs here other that what is occuring: the attempt is to try and tell women that they are vibrant and attractive, not matter their body shape.
That is a lie told to people too often. Beauty to the opposite sex is a relative measure where the standard is your attractiveness as compared to alternatives.
Much like how we tell every 103 IQ kid, “You too could be president!”, when that is simply not true, we need to stop telling people that everyone is beautiful. While a human body is, like most other creations of nature, a pretty interesting and facsinating thing, that does not make every human body sexually attractive. This picture’s message is just an attempt to tell the people on the left hand side of the bell curve that they are not really on the left hand side of the bell curve.
But they are. We all get there eventually, if we live long enough.
I rarely comment just to agree. But this is on point. Before I read
the para about IQ above, I was thinking about the policy that
EVERYBODY should pass the exam on EVERYTHING.
Now there is a good side to this kind of propaganda, as
long as it stays within bounds. I would summarize by
saying
1) Make the best of what you have got
2) Realize that, despite your best efforts, you may in
some respects remain average, or even below average.
3) Some children are best left behind. Sorry.
This applies to most of llfe’s endeavors, not just mating behavior.
Thor
i replied to your comment but it seems to have disappeared into the ether. maybe it’ll surface. who knows?
but to add to it, the understanding of what’s a ‘good body’ can be interpreted 2 ways; one to be sexually judged and pitilessly categorized in the hb hierarchy. most comments here are made with that sense in mind and are understandable as well as inevitable. that’s biomechanics for ya.
another is a woman’s use of her own body. her legs get her around. her body gives her sexual and other pleasures. whatever else that could be said about it, it’s hers and hers alone to do with what she wants. in that sense any body is a good one, irrespective of its sexual charisma. this was implicit in the poster, i feel. note i didn’t go to the fb page and interpreted the pix w/o referring to anything else.
enough…off to make lunch for my underemployed son.
I find all those women repulsive except for five who would still have to rape me and no doubt would. Speaking of rape and also of extreme stupid behavior. I see some excuses made for rapists by this fucking breathtakingly retarded woman.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2010/02/21/calgary-lindhout.html
There’s a hierarchy of grievances you know…
Women < Minorities < Gays < Blacks < Blacks from Africa < Chosen Ones < Black Lesbians < Chaz Bono
So she had to bow down and defend her rapists….i mean, she doesn’t want to seem like a RACIST for being against her own rape. That’d be so like, ethnocentric.
Exactly… somehow my earlier comment got lost in the shuffle, but I had remarked that, in her taking great pains to say she doesn’t “condone” what they did to her, she then does exactly that by making excuses for the shitskinned baboons.
In her world, it’s better to take it up the ass for 15 months by a pack of strange niggers that to evince the slightest hint of racism by denouncing those untermenschen for the garbage that they are.
Feh.
In her defense, some Somalians were kind to her. I think acknowledging that is okay.
The fatal flaw with this feminist tripe is a presupposition of tabula rasa humanity. Nature has a physically ideal body type for women that maximizes fertility and childbirth. By basic natural selection, the guys who were attracted to that body type had the most kids. Hence the near objective standard of beauty among men.
People who pontificate while assuming uncomfortable biological truths don’t exist are enemies of reality. They need to be corrected, ridiculed, or shunned at every turn.
It might be politically correct for every body type to be beautiful, if life were fair that’s what ought to be true. But, to channel a little Hume, you can’t go from an ought to an is without some sort of legwork. Legwork doesn’t include repeated naked assertion.
This post (and many of your other posts) really illustrates the problems with how women look at the world, and why giving them power is a bad idea; if something isn’t this, it’s that.
Dislike fatties? Well you must hate women!
Not in favor of gay marriage? Well you must be a homophobe!
Going to travel the world, get laid and write books? Well you must not be able to get laid in the US!
I would definitely fuck the girl in the middle, too.
At least they’re all white. Zero erecti.
THAT was a shocker… the diversity oversight board must have been out on a coffee break.
This shit was started by a Dove skincare ad campaign. The ads were created (surprise) by a woman.
Her hamster spins about “not condoning” whilst she proceeds to condone.
In their world, it’s better to take it up the ass for fifteen months by a pack of strange niggers than it is to evince the slightest hint of racism.
Feh.
This reminds me of the Dove “Real Women” campaign.
Still, ignore what women say and watch what they do.
This was a really empowering message to all women everywhere that when you just make an arbitrary statement, it magically becomes truth. As long as you’re a woman or some sort of colored.
The Walmart shelf stocker making $10 an hour is equal to the CEO making $100 million!!! The cross eyed cow is just as desirable as the 22 year old with the 25 inch waist. Why? Because we say so. If you have a value judgement then you’re probably just a sociopath or an oppressor.
Nothing means anything anymore. Everyone is everything!!! Leave your value judgements at the door h8ters.
In the timeless words of Homer Simpson: “Bart, there’s nothing wrong with anything.”
I hate this world. When can we leave it?
So in the interest of equality (which is of course a feminist’s lifelong obsession), are they going to come out with a picture captioned “No Guy Is Undateable” featuring various schlubby dudes wearing D&D shirts and holding X-box controls?
the bruising on the hefty ones thigh and lower legs. bad circulation and/or diabetes. also, the stretch marks on the stomach. boner-makers aside, how is this a “good body” in terms of health? and if it is a bad body on these terms, don’t you think that men would have something inside their brain that signaled to the lower deck how it should respond?
I’d bang the hardbody on the right, ideally after wrestling 3 out of 5 falls
)))
I would like to see the correlation of Tattoos with IQ.
I strongly suspect there is a strong correlation of tattoos with low IQ.
these women are revolting. I am actually pissed off looking at this picture. they should not be smiling. they must not have a mirror to look into. barf
*The two things feminists hate most: standards, and men who make no apology for their sexual desire.*
Correction: the two things *women*
I love how she says that “all bodies are good bodies” – and the only bodies on display are white ones! Didn’t she “unpack the racist assumptions” of _anything_ at her expensive liberal arts college? Sheesh!
Sad thing is the one on the extreme left would be the best looking of the lot, if she hadn’t tatooed her self like a maori warrior.
disagree. look closely at her proportions – her waist/hip ratio is off for a female, and her legs are spindly compared to her upper body. she looks like a troll, and not the maya kind. plus her face is evocative of sarah silverman.
^^^ THIS ^^^, this, and This.
Only downside is women could find an equivalent picture of loser guys who would complain that they’re just as good as Alpha man but that’s wishful thinking too.
“Fugshot line-up”
LOL. I’ll remember to put my cursor on all the posts’ pictures.
I fucked a british girl for a few months that looked exactly like girl #3. Chick was a wild boar in the sack. Just loved to fuck…..
Memories
I wouldn’t touch either of the fatties, the two thin ones, no problem. The tattooed one I would definitely give her a hot karl.
Historically, some (many?) cultures did not value beauty as much as we do. That doesn’t mean they had a different concept of beauty. That just meant men were willing to sacrifice beauty for other things.
yeah, you see those culture invading America these days with their ugly fucking wives. It’s called high testosterone, you may remember how horny you were when you were 13, imagine needing that sex drive to fuck your red potato of a wife…as an adult…forever. No wonder the, ah, newer immigrants in places like Sweden commit 100% of the forceable rapes.
Alpha of the year?
http://www.dbtechno.com/us/2012/01/26/wisconsin-man-says-ghost-beat-his-wife/
Thinner wives make happier marriages…
http://news.discovery.com/human/thinner-wife-happier-marriage-110725.html
Uh OH White girl number 5 gots booty!!
And I love the bra – really cute!
To all the people who keep insisting fat chicks are attractive, ask yourself this, how many fat sexual assault victims have you heard of?
God feminists are bloody hopeless.
The middle girl is also exhibiting horrible posture, which limits her beauty. Confident girls are more attractive, and besides putting the shoulder blades together and standing up straight thrusts the breasts out.
“Confident girls are more attractive”
Nope. That’s the kind of mantras that create the monstruous loud-mouthed urban females.
Fuck confidence in a girl. A girl is sweeter when she seems vulnerable. Confidence is a male quality.
Exactly… look at chubbo in the picture second from the left… she just exudes confidence.
As with most things, there is a happy medium. A quiet little mouse
does not even get noticed. A brash howler is a turnoff.
Thor
Why isn’t the thin girl grossed out by having to touch the Jaba?
This is proof that women have an entirely different sense of priorities than men.
I’ll be lazy and ask for the one with the purple plaid undies.
Fatness and feminism go hand-in-hand because both prefer from the promotion of androgyny.
The fatter you get, the hardest it is to tell what sex you are. It is a form of hiding/homogenization.
I’m going 5, 3, 1, 4, 2. I think “masculine cougar” looks pretty good and not that masculine at all.
If #5 could slim her thighs and grew her hair a few more inches, she’d do okay. The definition that she’s displaying quickly disappears if the woman isn’t severely dieting and taking diuretics.
And I think they deliberately posed skinny chick in an unflattering position.
I expect #4 was done in by age and a few pregnancies and perhaps genes, unlike #2. Still unattractive.
The two women on the left are hideous. The tatoos completely ruined an otherwise attractive body. The second woman on the left is the least attractive by far.
The middle woman is way too anorexic looking for my taste. Her male opposite would be a 90 pound, nerdy weakling. To me she doesn’t look healthy or capable of any sort of physical strain. The heavier girls could probably outlast her, seeing as how they are used to moving more weight around (ie their bodies).
The two women on the right are the only ones who look decent.
The second woman from the right isn’t that bad, she has a normal appearance and a pleasant enough face. Maybe a better pair of underwear would help.
The woman on the far right, the bodybuilder, is the only one who looks normal to me. Therefore, she is the mos attractive to me. Some might say she looks masculine, but oh well. Maybe she’s really sweet in person, but also has a tight ass body.
The tatoo girl is just plain crazy though. And the huge fat chick should go on a diet.
Is it weird that the fat girl second from left i find oddly/mildly attractive?
If her face were prettier i could almost go for it for one time as a ‘just to try…’
It’s because her confidence makes her more sexy…. ::bwaaaa haaaaa haaaaa:
Henry Rollins when his mind wasn’t cluttered with kaffir-love, on women:
“If they don’t work out I’m not interested.
Their mind is lazy, their body is lazy, then who cares?
They’re not in shape. Hey, go be fat on someone else’s time.”
The elephant in the room is that the picture was created not only to say that body type shouldn’t matter in general but that the appearance of aging shouldn’t matter.
I’d dump a fuck in 4 before 5. there’s nothing more repulsive than muscle women. Fucking a manjawed weightlifter makes you a closet homo.
Not a fatapologist, but high-t chicks with toned bodies might be even worse, jus’ sayin’.
Now carry on with the deliscious shaming.
The ironic thing about the ad campaign is that it will partly achieve its aim but in a manner not truly understood by the older feminists who propagate it:
Just as most men and non-feminist women will laugh at this openly, hot young feminist women will, at least subconsciously, not be fooled even a bit into believing their SMV is more on a level with the older women who run the campaign.
On the contrary, the younger women will use the concept to do more shit tests, by telling more men “Why aren’t you attracted to her and her? Why me? Go try to meet someone your own age. My friend here is your type”, etc.
In the same vein, it would completely take away any guilt a hot young woman would have in rejecting a man or flaking. If a hot woman doesn’t recognize the concept that men have (and should have) standards that exclude most women as sex partners, she can easily rationalize that the man she’s rejecting will be perfectly happy with a sea cow that might walk around the corner in ten minutes. Sympathy for the male’s interest disappears.
That’s the true danger from having this type of propaganda propagated in any given culture.
The ad campaign will work indirectly this way, so it’s in the interest of every PUA to cut the government funding of this kind of nonsense.
All bodies are good bodies? Good for what?
Because not all bodies are good for all things. And some of the bodies shown in that picture are not good for inspiring lust in most men, at least not relative to other things. In fact, some of those bodies will inspire revulsion in most men.
If women want to argue this is not true, there is no point debating them; they do not wish to learn the truth.
It has been shown men like a better waist to hip ratio that being said you missed the point. The point was that women should be able to love themselves and their bodies at any size it’s also ok for them to be loved.
[heartiste: bad advice. women with unattractive bodies should hate themselves so that they are motivated to fix what they can.]
Everyone isn’t going to be a size 2 or 22, btw I’m a size 10 and this is one of the rudest shallow things I’ve ever seen.
[if rudeness inspires the world’s fatties to push away from the table, then bring on the torment.]
You are way misinfomed. That’s so sad :/ ….
Whew, well you told me!
[heartiste: i got you to listen.]
Now we all know that the key to life and happiness is making sure you find us attractive.
[the key to a happy life is to make yourself as attractive as you can to the most men so that you maximize your options in mate choice. now, since i am a man, and men basically share the same standard of female attractiveness barring a small minority of weirdo outliers, i am representative of what most men find attracive in women, so if i think you look repulsive, odds are good that the majority of men you meet every day feel the same way about you.
so, yes, it is in your interest to be the kind of woman a guy like me would want to fuck.]
Too bad you missed the real message here, which is that women should stop bashing other women to battle their own insecurities.
[if all bodies are good bodies, why would other women’s “bashing” have any effect on any woman’s feelings of self-worth?]
How each of us, men and women, choose to navigate the world is a personal decision. Don’t find someone attractive? Mind your business and don’t fuck them. <3 Vanessa
[personal decisions have consequences. if, for example, you choose to eat until you bloat up into a shambling mound you will find your choice in men severely restricted and the amount of male attention you receive, particularly from high value men who have plenty of choices among slender pretty girls, fading to zero. now you may make this decision for the christ feminist and proudly wave your flag of individual empowerment and mighty grrlpower, but you will not be able to do so without suffering the penalties. and no ego-soothing propaganda is gonna save you from that harsh reality, or change reality so that it fits your predilection for how the world should work.]
“Now we all know that the key to life and happiness is making sure you find us attractive.”
On Facebook, the fat women that have I have been acquainted with are very often going on about their man troubles, are much less likely to be in a relationship, and if so, are usually with a less than attractive guy, and for a short period of time. One snorlax I know of did manage to marry a really dweeby mouse-like guy. Another fatso, whom my brother had rejected, quickly turned around and got engaged to some really weird emo-type.
I’m not saying that women have to have a man to be happy. But in the real world, it sure seems like it. And being fat makes it much less likely that a woman will get anything but the bottom of the barrel.
Okay, gotcha.
[heartiste: u sure?]
Gotta stay fuckable so I can land mate.
[a sexy mate.]
Because without a mate I’ll…not be able to live or something??
[you’ll live. just not very happily.]
Whatevs, not important.
[judging by the tormented cries of the celibate losers, the ability to find love with an attractive mate is very important.]
You do realize that we’re a clothing company, right?
[who cares. it’s your message i’m eviscerating. not your product.]
That the facebook page you got this from is not a Feminist Agenda collective, but a marketing tool to sell dresses?
[the feminist meme has infected everything. thanks for the springboard.]
Differently sized dresses?
[what does that mean? thin, fat and fattest?]
Troll moar.
[roar.]
Gonna start a clothing line that ONLY sells sizes S and M. I’m gonna make a fortune! Writing up my bizzness plan, brb.
[heartiste: so you admit you are lying to fat and misshapen women to push your product? got ya.]
LOL – nice try.
[heartiste: there is no try. only do or do not.]
But no, I’m saying that humans come in many different shapes and sizes,
[and some of those shapes and sizes are better than other shapes and sizes.]
and we’re doing our job over here at Pinup Girl by making them look good.
[so in other words, you’re lying to them.
not that there’s anything wrong with that… when you’re looking to turn a buck.]
With this? http://www.pinupgirlclothing.com/shapewear-shorts-tan.html
Would be better if your costumers would lose weight instead …
i mean customers … can you correct that? please
“there is no try. only do or do not.” ??
You seem to fancy yourself a witty spinner of words, but retorts like this must sound much funnier in your brain than they read here.
[heartiste: vagina.]
Game, set, and match.
Vanessa, your lances are but straws.
Vanessa,
the clothes you sell are pretty but some of the models are too fat. Like this one: http://www.pinupgirlclothing.com/the-bombshell-swimsuit-in-royal-blue-by-pinup-couture-plus-size.html
Why do you promote obesity?
because they can make money off it.
‘follow the money’.
One person has commented that we are hypocrites because our models are too hot while we say we like everyone, someone else says we’re promoting obesity because our models are too fat. Which is it?
[heartiste: no, you promote obesity via your insipid feminist-derived message. but i understand you do that to maximize profit. just so long as we’re clear why you engage in lying.]
We sell clothing from size XS to 3X. We use models to show said clothing from size XS to 3X. Our clothes make women look hot – and dare I say it, might even land them sexy mates!! We don’t tell anyone what size they should be. Apparently that sounds CRAAAAZZYYYY to some of you, but I think I’ll still sleep nights.
[your clothes do not make fat shits look hot. the only thing that will help them land sexy mates is losing weight down to slender proportions.]
Because if at the end, she gets paid, its all good in her mind. Her clients could all keel over and die (which they eventually will, thanks to the magic of atherosclerosis) and it doesn’t matter because she still got the cash. At the very least, she might rationalize it by pointing out how deal whole briefly made her marks feel better by entertaining their delusions. Nevertheless, she knows, deep down, she is lying and getting well paid for it.
*how the whole deal*
PWND.
It’s narrow minded men such as yourselves that beautiful women find repulsive.
[heartiste: nah. chicks dig chauvinistic jerks.]
All women are beautiful in their own way.
[saying it won’t make it so.]
Just because they do not have the ideally perfect body (which might I point out does NOT exsist, simply because all women have their own flaws and areas of their bodies they hate).
[if an ideal female body doesn’t exist, why do all swimsuit issue models generally share the same physical proportions? there’s not a fat fuck among them!]
Let’s see some of you men stand half naked infront of a camera, and have the picture go viral on the internet, to be judged by millions.
[the existence of a male standard of female attractiveness isn’t altered or discredited by the looks of the person pointing it out.]
I bet some of the responses from both men and women would surprise you.
[does this hateful thought make you feel better inside? that’s good. i can feel your hate consume you.]
Perfect bodies NEVER have exsisted, and quite frankly your attitudes make you all very ugly.
[sure they do. monica bellucci in her prime was damn close to a perfect body. but your argument is squid ink. perfection is the enemy of the good. we can argue all day about the fine-tuned measurements of the perfect female body, but the fact remains that there is an ideal and the closer a woman gets to the ideal, the more attractive she is to the greatest number of men.]
It’s people such as yourselves, that make this world unbearable,cause more women to hurt themselves and eating disorders to sky rocket out of control.
[if i have made the world unbearable for fatties and obnoxious uglies who don’t know their place in the pecking order, then i have done some good. yay me!]
I’m happy with my body as it is after having four children,
[translation: thar she blows!]
and years ago being a swimsuit model and forever trying to keep myself “perfect” for the camera (which made me miserable) ,
[the troll is strong in this statement.]
I AM beautiful, so is my body and there are men who find me attractive.
[fat chicks love to say there are men who find them beautiful, conveniently leaving out the relevant fact that the men who usually date fatsos are desperate losers who have chosen to settle rather than suffer alone. 99% of the time, these men who are so in love with their cherished fat girlfriends would jump at the chance to upgrade to a hot babe if they had the opportunity to do so.]
So with this said, I support Vanessa, and yes you are all entitled to your own opinions,
[entitled’s got nothin’ to do with it. neither, for that matter, does opinion.]
however, with your post, you just made yourself look and sound like a completely shallow, narrow minded and extremely repulsive person to millions, so a high five to you!
[shallow = any man who is not attracted to my bulbosity.]
All women, any shape any size, tattoo’s or not, deserve to feel beautiful, and ARE
[women, and men, don’t “deserve” to feel anything. if a fat or ugly woman feels unattractive, that is because her feelings are bypassing her reality-bending ego to deliver the cold truth to her conscious mind. rah-rah feminist cheerleading from an amen chorus of losers wouldn’t be necessary if those feelings weren’t a true reflection of reality.]
http://www.fatgirljihad.com
@NOYB:
“It’s people such as yourselves, that make this world unbearable,cause more women to hurt themselves and eating disorders to sky rocket out of control.”
Sky rocket out of control, you say?
According to the WHO, eating disorders (including anorexia and bulimia) were responsible for a whopping 218 US deaths in 2004.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_eat_dis-mortality-eating-disorders
Other sources and studies put the rate of yearly anorexia deaths at well under 1,000 total deaths each year, or at worst, a rate of 20 dead per 100,000 sufferers per year.
http://fathersforlife.org/health/anorexia1.htm
http://www.femininebeauty.info/naomi-wolf-eating-disorders-lies
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_a_year_because_of_anorexia
Meanwhile, ” 267,000 women die each year from heart attacks, which kill six times as many women as breast cancer. Another 31, 837 women die each year of congestive heart failure, representing 62.6% of all heart failure deaths. ”
and there are 8.1 million women with diabetes, the seventh leading cause of death for women in this country (heart disease is first).
http://www.cdc.gov/women/lcod/07_all_females.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/pubs/women/
http://www.womensheart.org/content/HeartDisease/heart_disease_facts.asp
NOYB, do you hear that thumping sound? That’s the sound of hundreds of thousands of innocent ladies dropping dead because of your lies and dogma. That’s a huge, mountainous, pile of cadavers that people like you helped create.
Thanks for nothing.
[heartiste: brutal, delicious ownage. i choked up a bit.]
“All women are beautiful in their own way. ”
All men are rich in their own way.
“I’m happy with my body as it is after having four children, and years ago being a swimsuit model …”
Right. Body doesn’t matter so much you felt compelled to throw out that you were model thin? Why did you do that?
You did it to inform us of your thinness and to qualify yourself as objectively attractive and not fat. Because thinness matters and being fat is disgusting. You just proved everyone here right.
Good comment. You’re totally right about her wanting everyone to know that while she thinks CH shouldn’t pick on fat women, she is not fat herself.
NOYB,
“I’m happy with my body as it is after having four children …”
Look, you already have children and I’m sure your husband loves your body the way it is (it’s normal to become less sexy when we age and have babies) but everything else you wrote is a complete nonsense. Men really do prefer girls who can bear healthy babies.
The uber-mamas I have met in my life (7+ kids) are all of normal weight, oftentimes on the slender side. The fat women who are their age are all either childless or maybe had one. If you had 4 kids and are a lard-bucket, it’s not because of the 4 kids, I guarantee you.
NOYB, you too are entitled to your own opinion… but not your own facts.
however, with your post, you just made yourself look and sound like a completely shallow, narrow minded and extremely repulsive person to millions, so a high five to you!
quit being so judgmental.
all people are good people.
How much of an insecure whiner do you have to be to write this post?
[heartiste: how much of an insecure victim do you have to be to pretend your gleeful attackers are whining?]
Pin Up Girl Clothing will appreciate and clothe whoever they want as a brand, and will make mad bank
[i don’t doubt it. there are a lot of deluded fatties in the world.]
while you sit in your basement
[skyline loft.]
and insist you’re sooo alpha
[alpha doesn’t insist.]
for going out of your way to get your panties in a knot about what other people think of themselves.
[it’s fun to mock the deluded.]
Why don’t you show off your Adonis body for the rest of us then, eh?
[perv.]
Why don’t you show off your Adonis body for the rest of us then, eh?
Champing at the bit to hurl the same sort of mockery that you’re attempting to castigate us for, Madame Hypocrite?
Owned!!! I’ve taken Chateua like responses to text game…I feel like a God.
you bein’ trolled yall
I’ve thought before that someone should do a poll: find the most attractive 300 pound woman you can, and the most buck-toothed, ance-infested, cross-eyed, dirty-haired girl with an hourglass figure. Post their pictures side-by-side and have men vote on which one they prefer. I submit that it would be a challenge to find two such pictures which would get more than a 50% vote from the heavy one. Heck, replace the ugly hourglass with a skinny girl, and dress them both as flatteringly as possible, and it’d still be difficult.
Waist-hip ratio is that important. It really does almost trump everything else. Heck, just look at the comments here, like #3 having an odd face. I bet most guys didn’t even look at the faces of #2 and #4. No need to. Waist-to-hip is the first filter, which leaves only three worth considering further. I mean, I *hate* tattoos, and yet I considered #1 longer than #2 or #4, even though you’d think her tattoos are a lot more obvious than anyone’s size. But my hatred of tattoos is my opinion; it requires at least a split-second of thought. Attraction for the right shape is hard-wired, no thinking time necessary.
That poster couldn’t be held up with rail road spikes.
No doubt the one in the middle suffers in the stamped that tramples over the eye.
i have nothing against white bras. i own a few pairs myself. here somehow, I find them jarring. they add to the oddness of the scene. I try to imagine the white bras replaced by different size pairs of coconut shells, and immediately find all girls more attractive.
just a random thought.
The irony is that this Pin up girl clothing site seems to choose models with very defined WTH ratios. All the girls are thin and well proportioned. It doesn’t even matter they’re a little butterfacey. This is such hypocrisy. http://www.pinupgirlclothing.com/swimwear.html?p=1
As a photographer, I’d opine that the middle girl’s problem is stance and posture. She is in that odd ‘Oh, I’m being photographed, so I should be doing something’ frame of mind. You’ll see the same problem with inexperienced actors who need to be told to stand perfectly still. Just because you’re on camera doesn’t mean you need to be doing stuff.
(For a good comparison, look at the end of The Longest Day when Richard Burton, a downed airman, is found by Paul Anka. Burton keeps perfectly still and Anka, the young army ranger, twitches through the scene like he has piles.)
If the middle girl were standing normally, say in the ballet basic pose, with a big grin on her face, there’d be fewer comments about her. That being said, the lighting’s problematic for the whole shot because it’s not flattering. Individual key lights and specific fils would have helped but if that was the budget, that was the budget.
Off topic … I was wondering about something that has always made me very anxious when reading this blog (until I realized how stupid it is) and this is the idea that unlovable (old, unattractive etc.) women should settle for an unsuitable mate. This is an extremely wrong idea that has never been explained here. It’s much better to be alone your whole life than to force yourself to be with someone who you feel is unlovable/unfuckable.
This blog really puts too much emphasis on romantic love (which is only attainable to maybe 60% of the population) and instead of feeling some empathy towards omega males and old/unattractive girls all we can read here are some weird ideas about how much better it would be if “loser chicks would go back to licking their ego wounds the old-fashioned way — by taking up poetry and staring pensively out a bedroom window.”
Why settle, because it’s easier to get someone a notch or two below you, than above.
Time marches on and eventuality the eggs go off so settling for a decent but unremarkable bloke rather is easier than a higher risk strategy of going for someone above your value level and risking being left with the dregs.
Yeah, but it’s difficult (if not impossible) to have sex with someone who is not sexy enough … Don’t you agree? I’m sure you couldn’t sleep with a girl who you consider unfuckable … ?
I think what she’s saying is its better to be alone than with someone you are not attracted to. And she is right.
Why do men always tell women to “settle” yet they would have a shit fit if any woman told them to ‘settle” for a woman they are not attarcted to. That is beyond annoying.
Men never are made to feel guilty or “BAD” for not wanting a particular woman they are not into. yet women are told to be with men we don’t feel attracted to all the time.
Imagine me telling Heartiste to “go out with a fat or overweight girl” b/c its better than being alone. Yet men tell women to do this ALL.THE.TIME.
[heartiste: men don’t do it as often or as intensely as women do. but it’s true that betas can’t expect the hot babes and simultaneously tell women to settle for betas without being hypocritical. my line has always been that the average woman has a choice between settling for the average man or living out her years alone. at least beta males can improve their lot, should they choose to.]
What makes you think we wanna be with a man we are not attracted to when you as men would never even consider being (and make no apologies about it either) with a woman youa re not attracted to?
Are you a guy? Would you settle for a woman “a notch or two below you” and be happy about it? Would you tell another man the same thing? I never see guys on here telling each other that. that is b/c men have no qualms whatsoever saying they will NEVER be with a woman they are not attracted to. Yet they will tell women to do it like its nothing. LOL
I also forgot to add. Not “settling” for a person you are unnattracted to does not MEAN you are trying to go for someone above you in looks either. It just means some people would rather go without than be with a person they are not attracted to.
People need to learn the concept of previous generations who dated and mated with LIKE (in terms of attractiveness). All this imbalance in looks with couplings is crazy and is one of the main problems in the SMP.
People trying to go way above their own attractivness, people going waay below thier own attractiveness – its just ridiculous.
It’s much better to be alone your whole life than to force yourself to be with someone who you feel is unlovable/unfuckable.
Totaly agree!
Oddly enough a lot of men feel this only applies to WOMEN and not them. They are free to feel (and make no apologies whatsoever) they should always be with a woman they are attracted to no matter what while women should “settle” and be with a person they are not attracted to.
Tell a guy to “settle” for being with a fat or unnattractive woman and you better be wearing a bullet proof vest! YET they will tell women to do it ALL.THE.TIME.
It takes a while of reading comments on this blog to truly begin to appreciate the pathos of the trolls. I think one has to see the repetition a few times to construct a full measure of remembrance for what life was like before one took the Red Pill.
I’m not even amused by it anymore. To watch them come in, shrieking against the sunlight, denying it with tropes that have been so thoroughly debunked by logic, experience, and science that every syllable they utter is instantly transmogrified into a hamster squeak for help.
I suppose I still feel empathy for them, but I’ve lost all sympathy.
Fatty Defense Force is stampeding to the rescue.
#3 has her hands on the fatties because she suddenly imagined herself on the costa concordia as it capsized. reaching for flotation devices is reflexive.
#1 can be used as a locating beacon and #5 can be bait meat to distract the sharks, thus saving lives.
…Yeah. And most women prefer 12 inch cocks. On men with 50″ shoulders and a 34″-36″ waist.
…. How you adding up there, stud?
[heartiste: so you admit there are female attraction standards in men? good. now let’s see if you can draw the line from point A to point B.]
Oh, and in case you’re interested– Vanessa’s post inspired me to write a blog on this topic as well. Here ya go: http://www.barbararaesrants.blogspot.com/
Sometimes I wish I never learnt game, no Mystery Method, never stumbled upon the Chateau..Now as a single 32 year old, I feel I am picky. I can see the declining sexual value in girls my age. So when my friends jump at the opportunity to settle with an ageing hottie, I see them as having hit the wall. As a 5’6” guy from India in the US with average looks (very slight accent) and moderate to good game I am unable to settle for anything less than a 7.
The only way out of this is amping my fashion sense & getting really fit, which might give me a point or two in the dating market value chart.
Of course, the funny part is that Vanessa couldn’t put this picture together unless she herself believes that these women are ugly and is trying to fight against own beliefs.
Got to point out some minor issues with the autism thing. First, it is the dismantling of the patriarchy in the west by Femininsm that caused betas to lose out in the dating game. There use to be societal restraints on the hamseters (single-mothers were ostracized to some extent, being called a bastard meant something) unlike the present situation. So by your infeence, there should have been rising levels of autism through out the prior millenia or so and falling recently (more hamsters unleased to jump on the alpha-cock parade for reproduction) as betas lost out. Just doesn’t add up.
Slogans such as “All Bodies are Good Bodies” are just a way for unattractive women to say that they hate beta males as much as hot women do. If all women had the same SMV regardless of weight and looks ,they would just chase after the same small number of alpha males. It is funny, I don’t think men can get away with saying, “Every income is a big income.”