I gotta get something off my privileged pale pecs. Male urbanwear/street fashion/business casual has really taken a nosedive in the last few years. Skinny pants that hug the leg and ankle or end halfway up the calf? Jeans so tight and femininely contoured that men wearing them sashay and look like they have birthing hips? Sweatpants cuffed at the ankle and leaving enough saggy material in the rump to hold a deuce? All-day pajamas?? Worse, pajama tops that don’t even match the bottoms?
WTF is this infantile androgynous shit? I can’t understand how any woman would be attracted to this look on a man. It’s as if the world’s fashion designers got together and declared, “How can we make men look as unmasculine as possible?”
Related, at about the same time male fashion started sucking androgyne nub, the amount of floor space clothing retailers have devoted to the men’s section has shrunk considerably. Either men aren’t buying clothes for themselves because they have no money and no hope of attracting a woman, or fashion has gone 100% gay homosexual. Or the internet has allowed the vidgya game-playing, porn-fapping, dropped-out generation(s) of men to subsist on the barest clothing essentials: t-shirts and underwear.
They way we’re heading, men’s underwear may soon be out of style, replaced by manties or an arrow and a “gloryhole input” sign.
I won’t wear anything that would look out of place in the 1950s. It hasn’t failed me yet.
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I had a female friend back in the day tell me regarding my style ‘you’re never really in style but you’re never really out of style either’
I was ok with that. How you wear something probably matters more than what you’re wearing. Unless it’s skinny jeans.
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Hey, you were going out on a date with a chick who supported the Emperor God King – how did it turn out?
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Hey, you were going out on a date with a chick who supported the Emperor God King – how did it turn out?
Had her in my bed and got a last second ‘no, i have to go’ and haven’t heard from her since and I doubt I will. On to the next one. That hasn’t happened to me in a very long time. Definitely rusty from getting out of a relationship (see below). Have made 3 rookie mistakes with 3 different girls the last 3 weeks. Slowly remembering but I definitely beta’d up a bit and have been reading old posts to brush up.
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“Have made 3 rookie mistakes with 3 different girls the last 3 weeks.”
Keep grinding. I got out of a LTR in October, and my game is just now approaching my old standards.
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Call her up again. Girls with brains are going to be giving up less booty for free in the future. The Girls who don’t sex you so fast are the keepers. Their commitment has meaning.
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@everybody what were the Rookie mistakes?
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She was conflating “fashion” and “style.” Fashion is fleeting. Style is eternal.
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“Girls who don’t sex you so fast are the keepers.”
these are often the girls who also won’t agree to a date right away, just because you decided it was time for a date.
good girls are spooked that you may expect her to put out right away, and will give you an intention-oscopy by drawing out the timeline. you: patient. aloof. persistent.
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> “Had her in my bed and got a last second ‘no, i have to go’” ——— I take it you didn’t get your finger on her Cl!t?
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Why is the woman in GBFM’s (is it actually him?) picture standing like a dude?
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@everybody what were the Rookie mistakes?
Contacting too frequently. Still sort of in relationship mode where you ask about the other persons day. Need to get back to single mode where I contact once between dates just to set up the next date. I also forgot how ruthless women are for weeding you out for any reason. There’s a little more flexibility after you’ve been with someone for over 6 months. My small talk text game is abysmal but I do really well in person so I need to minimize how much texting I do. The one who left. Not really sure, but I probably came off as needy. I haven’t gotten laid in 2 months (1 month was the last month with the gf which is why I dropped her) and the last 3 weeks the mistakes screwed up 2 very good prospects and 1 ok prospect and coming off as needy or too nice is usually my downfall. Went on another date last night and this one should be a pretty good prospect.
“Had her in my bed and got a last second ‘no, i have to go’” ——— I take it you didn’t get your finger on her Cl!t?
I did! She was really into it, I’d pull away and she pull me back in until she left. All very weird.
<Keep grinding. I got out of a LTR in October, and my game is just now approaching my old standards.
Yep, each date I go on I hone my old skill a little more. I was never amazing but could get laid every couple weeks if I really wanted to. This is the longest I’ve gone without getting laid in 8 years or so. People keep telling me ‘take time to heal’ people are idiots. Getting laid with someone hotter helps the healing.
Call her up again. Girls with brains are going to be giving up less booty for free in the future. The Girls who don’t sex you so fast are the keepers. Their commitment has meaning.
Eh, she gave off a former slut vibe on the date. I’d bang to get back in the game but not a real long term prospect.
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hearsrtsitetzeste hearstsitetsst!!! all is not lost!!!
DA BFM just annoucned at da new york fashion weekssz!
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I hit like, ’cause it’s funny. then I hit unlike, ’cause i felt gay.
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Da GBFM (the man with the deep voice in the middlez) just had his first conservaives threesome with the two hotties in da pancake makeup, which mades their intelleigence more palatableslzozozzoz
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Damn. Too bad about the voice. She’s nice looking but clearly has an issue with her test and estrogen levels. Gonna look full on tranny in five years
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Young, unm@rried, childless women talking about traditionalism and the fundamental aspect of being a traditionalist.
Clock is ticking faster and faster each day, ladies. Stop wasting time.
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Da womenz be traditional in der makeup
But not in the laundry’s pick up
Dey be saying they’r da virtue of the west
But dey dress so we can see der chest
Dey say dat dey will settle down after a spell
As soon as dey tire of da cock carousel
They claim to espouse traditiniolism
As through the overton window flies da GBFM’s gism.
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Hey GBFM – the Atlantik took a lot of my abuse in the comments section before and after the election, but you may be pleased to learn that the remark that finally got me shoahed was ‘The purpose of a college education is to allow a woman to take 50 cox up her a$$ by age 30 and redefine it as empowerment.’
That was the shaft that broke the camel’s coccyx. From GBFM’s mouth to Frumkin’s ear.
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HEY HEATGRIETSTETESS!!!!
DA ONE COCK RULE IS DA NEW BLACK!!
& DA GBFM’S COCKAS IS BLACK
SO DA ONLY COCKAS A GIRL NEEDZ
IS DA GBFM’Z LZOZOZLZOZOZZ
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Notice da GBFM’s avatar. Lolzozozoz
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I see this everyday. They are begging to be barefoot and pregnant.
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Pretty much this.
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DA GBFM fashionz for allz!!!
http://www.cafepress.com/greatbooksformen
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da gbfm year-roundz fashionz:
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You get more bang for your buck
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http://www.cafepress.com/greatbooksformen.582539777
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My god, it’s great to see GBFM again
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he never left.
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HEY HEATGRIETSTETESS!!!!
DA ONE COCK RULE IS DA NEW BLACK!!
& DA GBFM’S COCKAS IS BLACK
SO DA ONLY COCKAS A GIRL NEEDZ
IS DA GBFM’Z LZOZOZLZOZOZZ
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Male fashion is gay.
Male _style_ is classic and almost unchanging.
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I could argue that the 70’s, that shithole of a decade, had dramatically different men’s styles, but if you look at television shows from back then, the well dressed men wore suits, and most of the time those suits weren’t that different from other decades. Lapels and ties were wider, more polyester, etc., but other than that not much different. Watch an old Columbo episode.
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I love the butterfly collars of the 70s shirts. That’s some true peacocking right there.
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Having experienced both, the70s were a dress rehearsal for today. The Center is much smaller and embattled now.
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DA GBFM FAHSIONZ IS NOT GAYZ!!
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i want this shirt it’s badass
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what happened?
leftism + feminism + gay-ism + most dysfunctional people joined in
those freaks took the USA close to the edge where civilizations fall and never recover
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Lol……Modern fashion is not only faggotty, but also boring.
For dandiness with style one should look to 16th, 17th, 18th centuries dressing styles. They had it going on back then.
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Modern male fashion is where gay egotists meet the demands of a low T public.
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I will say anything relevant to get attention
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Actually, yes. Most male fashion is gay seduction fantasy. The fashion industry is dominated by gay men and campy women.
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The fashion industry is controlled by dykes that want masculine women and faggots that want feminine men to be the ideal for the west to aspire to. What did you expect? It all part of (((the plan)))).
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I see too much of this fashion in London, you will be hard pressed to find a guy that dresses like a real man in Islington, Camden etc, recently had an influx of football supporters from outside of the city from more blue collar regions, they dressed normally…
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There was a Watter’s World episode from the Daytona 500 last night, on O’Reilly, and everyone whom Jesse Watters interviewed was COMPLETE FRIGGIN NORMAL. Polite. Well-spoken. Complete sentences. Abreast of current events. No phreaks, no weirdos, no escapees from the insane asylum. One chick even knew the “You’re Watters and this is your world” signoff to complete the show. Like friggin heaven on earth – WHITE PEOPLE.
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Just need to add that the young women who accompany their fathers/boyfriends etc to games tend to be of the attractive and homely type
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For all the talk of diversity, our modern world, due to mass production and advertising, is very conformist. Lots of people think they are stylish, but yet all they do is follow the trends they read in (((magazines))) as being the cool thing to do, or wear, or talk about. It’s hilarious in some cases.
One can go for one neighborhood on the west coast, to the east coast, and see nothing different. Same cars, same phones, same clothing, same franchises, same everything.
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All the marketing screams “Hey wanna be an individual, then dress and look like everyone else!”
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It’s a bit like hipster bars and restaurants, they all want a distinct environment but you can always spot them from a mile away because they are all so similar, especially their maximum hopped beer.
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speaking of hoppy beer…
read recently that hops cause big drops in test levels for men. the study showed that the men who drank the hoppy beers had much lower levels on average than the men who drank low hop or no hop blends.
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Yeah, when I found out IPA’s are basically poison as a result of being so hoppy, I stopped drinking them post haste.
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Not a big fan of IPA, but could that be a correlation rather than causation?
Tobacco use is correlated to higher T, but that may just be because alpha males are risk takers who smoke.
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Could be yeah. Perhaps it’s not that hops create feminine men but feminine men just prefer hoppy beers.
I didn’t read much into it so I’m not sure what components in the hops could cause problems but with all I know about foods impacting hormone levels, I wouldn’t be surprised if the hops were the cause.
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Hops are estrogenic. In fact, way, way back in the day, they started to add hops to beer to tamper down sexual urges that prior ingredients would cause.
From the article linked below linked:
To understand why hops replaced gruit it is important keep in mind the properties of gruit ale: it is highly intoxicating and aphrodisiacal when consumed in sufficient quantity. Gruit ale stimulates the mind, creates euphoria and enhances sexual drive. Hopped ale is quite different. Contemporary scientific research has conclusively demonstrated that hops contains large quantities of estrogenic and soporific compounds.
http://www.gaianstudies.org/articles6.htm
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Any website with Gaia in its name is too full of faggotry for me to take ANYTHING they say seriously.
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Suddenly I feel ultra alpha for not liking IPAs.
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WRT great beer nothing beats a Pilsner Urquel, Gambinus, Obolon or Slavutitch. All Bohemian style amber lager beers.
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FAHSIONZ FOR REAALZ MENZ!!!
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i want this one
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Lololzzlzlolz….I like that shirt!!!
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http://www.cafepress.com/greatbooksformen.582539775
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Conformity is now more colourful although it’s true you can’t get away with anything these. So what if my t-shirt has a picture of muslims whipping black slaves on the front? Why’s everyone got to be so uptight all the time?
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You’re welcome
https://www.billyreid.com/products/f16-401-008-tobac-billy-reid-double-monk-tobacco
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I’ve noticed it too.
Baggier trousers and pleats are coming back into style.
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I always wear pleated fronts. Im 26 and it’s a much classier style to me than flat fronted khakis. I want to dress the part, not look like Jake from State Farm
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@Carlos Danger
“Christianity is true transhumanism”
You said this awhile back. It struck me like an arrow and a thousand things clicked at once. I honestly wonder if I was brought here just to read that comment.
Thank you.
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God works in mysterious ways. Glad I could help. Yes you were. That is how he does it.
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the peak of (real) men’s fashion, probably for the next couple decades:
seriously. do we even have the luxury of looking comfortable right now? I’m pretty sure real men’s fashion is on the fast track to combat-ready attire. history is full of examples of this.
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Give examples, pls. Interested.
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my theory is that we’re heading away from a leisure-driven society headed towards a more feudal, militarized one, where power is in the hands of the warrior class. fashion trends will probably follow from that.
pick any feudal warrior culture for an example: samurai, spartans, greeks, romans, etc.
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“The necktie is fucking retarded”
Fuck you dude.
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My thinking is along similar lines.
Must always be dressed prepared to take out some loud-mouthed muslim prick or shiv an SJW.
Except for the most exclusive of wood-paneled private bankers’ offices, suits are becoming superfluous.
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Yeah, but wearing a suit makes for wearing a gun harness for greater concealed carry and ease of accessibility.
Start carrying your gun like Bullitt, who borrowed it from Dave Toschi:
(Bowtie unnecessary.)
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Instead of a suit, a sturdy Tweed jacket a la Dirty Harry would do.
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Who was also modeled after Toschi.
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I’m in Texas, tweed is too damned hot 9 months of the year. If you have that climate, try a unconstructed linen sport coat. Cool enough that you won’t literally die, still looks sharp as hell while being somewhat casual. (Unconstructed means that there isn’t a lining or a bunch of canvasing.) Great with jeans, chinos or proper trousers.
https://bonobos.com/products/the-unconstructed-linen-blazer
(Also, Gold Bond. In the spray can. The Blue can.)
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That’s a clean looking blazer. Whereabouts in TX are you: east, west, deepinaharta?
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North Texas.
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I have a buddy who WAS the nerdiest skinny fat beta lawyer one could meet. Went to Yale law school. After about 5 years with big corporate firm, he joined Army JAG Corps and actually spent years in Iraq. This was between 2003 and 2009. I think he actually saw some combat.
Besides getting in shape, now that he’s back he refuses to wear a tie or weak ass dress shoes with no traction. He says he would never wear a tie around his neck that can be used as a weapon against him. Rocks practical timberland style boots and khakis every day in the office (very casual look compared to everyone else).
For 16 years I have complained about the business uniform including gay ass smooth leather bottomed slippery shiny faggot looking dress shoes with no traction in the event of another 9/11 or similar event when I might need to save someone, run, or kick some traitor’s ass.
While I get the discipline, Trump’s model for us in terms of style is gay as fuck. He might as well wear a powdered wig and faggot pirate puffy sleeves while he’s at it.
The neck tie is fucking retarded.
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Ever hear of a clip on?
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I already practice this to a degree. While not “tactical” I wear earth tones clothes, shows suitable for kicking a knee cap or walking 20 miles, a stout homemade leather belt, and coat with large pockets for concealing items.
All of this but I still am “business casual”
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Screw what others think – women loved this look then – love this look now.
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Here’s a better Sean Connery
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Driving gloves:
http://www.weapons-universe.com/Personal_Defense/Gloves/SAP_Gloves-Fingerless-Large.shtml
Walking stick:
http://www.fashionablecanes.com/80585.html
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That film Zardoz is very prescient- with the wierd costume and Pony tail. Sean Connery is the last Alpha male in a bizarre matriarchy.
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Can’t go wrong with military inspired clothing… just get it to fit.
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Overalls for me. Freedom for the bollocks is very important fo reel menz.
If you want really go in style you opt for the camoez .
I’m glad to see da GBFM back, he’s da bestest.
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Hate to say it but overalls are the most comfortable clothing I’ve ever worn. Used them for work. Redneck fashion
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This
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They already dress this way in Alabama
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The memes have been out there for a while
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That sword is all show and no go.
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I wore suits to “the office” until I tired of the “You got an interview?” remarks.
Then I wore suits to my office until ALL my clients told me I was overdressed.
Everybody in my industry – building design and construction – wears jeans and casual (sometimes fitted) shirts, or polo shirts.
I stopped fighting it.
A month ago, I was summoned (no pay) to court for my professional opinion. I had a jobsite meeting immediately before the court appointment, so I stayed in jeans. The only people in suits were the lawyers.
As plumpjack notes, my most advanced and expensive clothing is my hunting gear.
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“my most advanced and expensive clothing is my hunting gear.”
amen. that’s when you’re literally “dressed to kill”.
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I think a good rule of thumb is to dress exactly 1 level better than the men around you. You’ll look squared away but not prententious.
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That’s a good rule.
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The problem I have is working in a department (IT) where everyone knows each other very well and also dress like total herbs. Deviating from the khaki uniform in any way immediately gets you marked as a try-hard. Opposite reaction from anyone outside the office, though.
Very similar to how when I had more of a gut, my fatter co-worker friends routinely cracked jokes if I didn’t pork out with them, or mentioned working out to slim down.
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That’s no good. I’d minimize contact with them if they’re actively trying to drag you down.
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I’ve known these guys forever and it’s all “in good fun”, but having to have a conversation about what you’re wearing everyday gets old fast. But yeah, I’m trying to relocate. New life with no past, just a future.
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That’s a solid rule in general but it just sucks when 95% of grown men dress in a way that is absolutely indistinguishable from 7th grade boys. So as far as you can go is slacks and a cotton dress shirt. Anything more than that and people go all ‘Larry the Cable Guy’ on you.
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I often wear a plain black pair of mil-spec pants to work. Cut like the military, they’re as comfortable as jeans, but if you press them properly (and any former mil guy knows how) they are sharper than any of those crappy khaki blobs that are the staple of every “business casual” environment. As a plus, the pockets are big enough to store a full sized 1911.
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Now now Mendo. Still a lot of 7th grade boys who dress well… I always kid my son he is going to die exactly as he lived… OCBD, Blazer, Khakis, Penny loafers…
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You wear the clothing that fits your industry. I thought everyone knew this. You just pick the superior fashion in that sector.
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The problem is that the older I get, the more casual men’s fashion becomes, even in construction, where we weren’t particularly well dressed initially.
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Oy vey, it sure is a coincidence that every single bit of male fashion serves to make white goyim less masculine and less likely to breed, isn’t it?
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I dunno. I don’t think any ethnicity dresses particularly well or masculine. Fathers should teach their sons how to present themselves in public. Parents of the last few generations have been completely derelict of their duties in almost every regard.
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Thank you. CH tries but it is an uphill struggle.
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Yes, I have seen 2-3 fellows (20ish) at the gym wearing tight, above the ankle, brightly colored, yoga pants. So faggy, I just shake my head. Who is selling this shit, anyhow? Or are they shopping for the ‘large’ sizes in the female section at Dick’s?
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just watched sausage party guess who it aimed at lol
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You , apparently.
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Writing Credits: Hunter… (((Shaffir)))… (((Rogen)))… (((Goldberg))) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1700841/fullcredits
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The kikes own comedy now.
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I wouldn’t be so sure about Hunter:
“Shaffir met a then-unknown Seth Rogen on a camp trip to the Holy Land in 1998. Both their camps were affiliated with Habonim Dror, the Labour Zionist youth movement. He later befriended Rogen’s writing partner, Evan Goldberg, at McGill University.”
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Too true. I have work shirts, two “going out” shirts (both solid black) and the rest of my shirts I got for free from the local supplement store. Shopping is a waste of time if you’re a masculine looking man and want to stay that way. Can barely branch out from the black nicer shirts for risk of looking like a seinfeld puffy shirt butt pirate.
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Male fashion summer: Jeans, white tshirt
Male fashion fall: leather jacket, jeans, tshirt
Male fashion winter: heavy wool coat, sweatshirt, jeans, tshirt, scarf
Male fashion spring: leather jacket, jeans, tshirt
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Add in cowboy boots or steel toed hiking boots to all of those and you’re spot on.
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Your lack of class shows. That’s a boy’s mind on display right there. You’ve been duped into permanent adolescence by guess who?
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someone found a picture of The Strapon Rickin.
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I’ll actually be writing about fashion (click on my name) on my site, but this article by H-Bomb got me thinking.
I’d like to see “three-dimensional” fashion with sewn embroidery and multiple layers on my 6’1″ trim white male physique. Think of how the richest Renaissance merchants looked in banking do’s.
Then again, they had more florins than an Italian warship has battle holes, so…
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The part about clothing stores and floor space is especially true. White men at least, have retreated away from retail spaces that are full of marauding googles, and as a result, dozens of sweatshop-to-doorstep mail order sites have popped up to serve the market of men who want to look sharp.
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Southernmarsh.com
Best fitting most comfortable golf shirts and button downs ever
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The Beach Boys were originally called the Pendeltones, named after the Pendelton mill. If you can find older Pendelton shirts, they are eternal classics.
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I used to think funny shirts were cool. I used to think nostalgic shirts were cool. Thank god ive grown out of that. Id seen a full grown man wearing a shirt with a giant nintendo controler graphic across the chest 2 days ago. I felt so cringed out looking at it.
[CH: for the most part, graphic tees like that are out of style. the occasional funny or edgy one that isn’t hipster gay can still work tho.]
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I’m partial to this one:
http://molonlabeindustries.com/products/jihadi-hunting-club-templar-original-t-shirt.html
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I’ve been wanting a black shirt with a templars cross on the back but they always manage to tack on some bs that makes it lame.
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dues vult. I still like muh affliction t’s.
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deus..I am so basic
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I’m a welder and construction supervisor. If I’m not working in the field, I still show up to the shop and office ten minutes early to change out of my absolute minimum– jeans, collared shirt, sport jacket– and into my Carhartts to go about my day. We have a shower at work, so that’s where I am when the shift ends if I had to throw sparks that day instead of bidding and meeting clients.
A man dresses to his tribe. I might be a welder, but I dress as a man when I’m not welding. Younger men, betas, omegas, etc are dressing to their tribe– women, or rather, the pets of women, and the sexless emotional tampons of feminists.
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Where does one go to become a welder?
That profession was completely denied to suburban Gen X men born to boomer parents between 1974 and 1982, as was a military career.
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Publius – Welders make big coin. try a local trade school – then join the union.
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http://www.gowelding.org/welding-schools/
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Stay classy, gents.
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“the vidgya game-playing, porn-fapping, dropped-out generation(s) of men”
In my early 20s, I was shocked to discover that there were my age who still played video games.
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I kinda belong to the generation who grew up in 90s and it took me sometime to accept the culture of grown men playing videogames.
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Video games are the “new” reading for most of the people under 30. Since I also read, I play videogames instead of watching TV.
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What’s funny is how this article has more comments than the female infidelity one below. Fags
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???
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Thats because thats just scientific backing on old news that not you nor I nor anyone can do anything to change. Best we can do is help each other to not look like faggots in a society that tries its damndest to.
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No new guy. We already know the lessons of the other lost.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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Am older man told me a decade ago that I could never go wrong if I dressed like I was going to work
Sturdy leather shoes, dark jeans or pants in good repair, and a button up shirt. I’ve added suspenders for comfort and keep the sleeves rolled up because autism and it works for me
Not super attractive, but I’m always comfortable and never look like a mincing ponce
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And FWIW, never hurt to have access to a sports jacket.
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Sports jacket really brings it all together, makes you stand out further and is great to have handy.
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i like the fitted, tailored look better. looks cleaner. skinny jeans are too far but a nice pair of slim cut jeans or trousers look way better than the boxy used car salesman shit guys wore 10 years ago.
granted i come from a place where grown men used to wear xxxl white t-shirts, wifebeaters, and pants down to their asses.
i thought greasers in the 50s wore tight as fuck jeans to show off the heat you’re packing, same with metal bands in the 80s. both of those types pulled plenty of bitches. although the modern trend of rolling the jean legs up to the calf looks gay af
of course it’s about how you carry yourself anyways. don’t cross your fucking legs, move with a strong, masculine posture, etc
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If you watch some comedies from the 30s a stock character is often some bumpkin moving to the city in an ill fitting suit. They all dressed like the men of today. Its a queer seduction fantasy.
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I never understood the tight pants look for guys. Like I want my sack squeezed into my stomach when I put them on?
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This is from Trump’s first congressional address tonight. In case there was any doubt about who’s still in charge…
“9:10 pm — Trump opens with a unifying statement condemning the recent acts of anti-Semitism and hatred with the desecration of Jewish graves.”
I believe two Jewish cemeteries were vandalized in the last few weeks. That is obviously so important that it needs to headline his first major speech.
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Agree and amplify
Overall it was a great speech. Ann Coulter calls it the best speech she has ever heard in Washington.
The Dems shown up as a bunch of traitors.
Alot of people probably seeing Trump speak for the first time and realizing the MSM is full of shit.
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The last time you heard so much actual pro America stuff was Reagan (trade, jobs, borders, investment in our country). Not the fake shit W popped off on…
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It’s painful to listen to the likes of you whining that he hasn’t fired up the ovens…
FFS this is his first address… the entire left is painting him as Hitler… What do you think he is going to say after these (((incidents))).
He knows what WINNING is about. You do not.
Simple as that.
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yes
especially touching was Yamisha who failed 3rd grade twice but then Gubemint heavily invested in her and now she is completing her master in social work
That is the way to do it
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I was more noting how much power this tiny group wields, when “local news” stories are elevated to a national crisis.
BTW, they’ll call him Hitler no matter what. There is no reason to acknowledge that frame. We aren’t going to apologize ourselves out of this problem.
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Once he got into a rhythm, the speech took off. So much pro-America going on. Called out radical Islamic terrorism.
And was it just me, or was Melania looking extra tasty tonight! I mean, wowza was she radiant.
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cortesar nails it.
He is still forced to include antiwhite pandering to niggers.
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he emphasised heavily, “we’re going to enforce our laws”. laws are implicitly racist. certain folks like them and follow them (us), and certain folks don’t (them). he has to throw out these CYA platitudes to the victimhood purveyors and the victims, because soon the prisons are going to be filling up and millions of people are going to be deported, and they won’t be able to say shite. Trump told em so. we’re simply enforcing our laws. “hey, wanna stay outta prison? be like talented-tenth yamisha over here.”
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“I was more noting how much power this tiny group wields, when “local news” stories are elevated to a national crisis.”
Cavoritegroup
Look with your eyes… not your ears. WHY is it that the tombstone stories happened AT ALL? Because they know and are afraid… Churn up the victim engine, get the ADL out there… They are mobilizing not out of strength but out of fear.
But now We Know… As PJ says… you don’t need to match there rhetoric, placate them WHILE acting in your own interests…
The “power group” – well lessee here ALL THE MEDIA, SOCIAL MEDIA, HOLLYWOOD, AD AGENCIES – yeah they know, so these stories will continue and accelerate. FFS watch Trump put a special FBI anti semitism squad in place, while drinking lemonade with Bibi on the south lawn.
ALL OF THAT is kabuki for the real work that is taking place…
This is how chess is played, not checkers…
The difference now is TRUMP is ZFG because he has his freedom. Until now, they always had a puppet to manipulate. So never mind the dance, watch what happens.
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The recent desecration of Jewish graves is an affront of the first order…
… I hope they find the kikes who did it.
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lol. he came out earlier today and suggested it could possibly a false flag operation. lots of kvetching about that, which possibly inspired the “oh dear my” lip service intro.
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Trump speech great.
cuckryan can still fuck off and slice lengthwise.
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Hey rebbe, watcha doin?
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Trump is Nationalism Lite. A step in the right direction, but too weak for my blood.
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Can’t get the bourgeois masses to go full-on Viking Berserker overnight.
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Wolfie
Exactly… they are JUST starting to wake up as it is… As PC Speech is derided and ridiculed, more folsk will start to speak, then act… Act the left self destructs, as they must because they go against the Natural Order, it will accelerate the process… When there is less fear of retribution, then justice will start to be served and power consolidated.
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Hi (((cavoritegroup))), why did you not mention the comments Trump made in private about how he thought these bomb threats might have been hoaxes. Trump is onto (((your tribe))) and he is smart enough not to admit it publicly. He would not want to be assassinated after all
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Yes, my constant denunciation of Jews is just a ruse. Good work, Mycroft.
My 23andMe results should come back in the next few weeks. I’ll share them here if it’ll make you happy.
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yes but evil
patriarchy
for millennia suppressed toilet
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I say let (((them))) eat cake
and play in gulf clubs
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Damn. This is an ideal photo that can help one lose weight.
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How ’bout this selfie from her? (Make dieting easier?)
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On behalf of everyone, welcome back, da GBFM.
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Free butts that *White women share. (((Globalism))) exploits White females and makes them into whores.
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seeeee, a woman is prorgammed to get money from all men assetsts form all men, and pserm form one or two–”Heartisst & GBFM).
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Sonofabicthy, gbfm .That just made me sides go kablooie !
Glad to have back, your culture and breeding has been sorely missed.
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carabiner. lol
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https://scontent.frir1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/1185650_407486342690443_1622900558_n.jpg?oh=43b9b70034a21c886e56a1b87b220825&oe=596F16E2
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Lolzozozoz
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once upon a time
teh great reformes said things like
“a chicken in every pot”
and
“A car in every garage”
and
“A family in every home”
todya the eneeoocn berenankerkieisi say, “lotsas cockas in every buttholeelllzlzolooloio lzozozl”
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https://www.facebook.com/Greatbooksformen-125364477569299/
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http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2012/02/black-history-month.html?m=1
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About the same thing that’s been happening to Western men generally…
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The one on our right is not Western; it’s (((Eastern))).
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Rachel Maddow’s sister…
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Yep doesn’t work for concealed carry either.
Dress like a man. That means not skinny pants.
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I never understood that tight pants for guys look (and fit). Who wants to be as uncomfortable as possible and look lame and weak at the same time?
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This look never goes out of style:
https://s16-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Ffb%2Fe0%2F7a%2Ffbe07ae3d0e4861aa98b66b93d15739a.jpg&sp=a479307ef068221790af86c9d811fe8e
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Get a tri climate coat, some jeans from an army surplus store, and some heavy duty boots. You can do any job with this outfit in any weather. Plus its a quick change to business casual if your need to look professional fast.
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Boring as shit. Is this advice about having a decent look or advice on ‘how to avoid being naked in public’
Jeans, boots and an 8th grader’s jacket. WGAF?
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Not sure why the rant. Look at the late 70s fashion, no less androgynous than now.
[CH: no the latest iteration is far more demasculinized than anything the 70s put out. we’re in uncharted territory.]
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corny? maybe. but androgynous? at men were still identifiable as men.
that reminds me, I haven’t seen my knit cape lately…
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This one has gay adman written all over it, just like now. But agreed, they couldn’t get away with anything like the blatant shit we see today.
Maybe gay, but Rock Hudson gay, not Tinkerbell gay.
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OT again, I put “Chateau Heartiste” in the Internet Anagram Server. Longer phrases return a million results so I’m not gonna put everything I found, but I submit these three for your enjoyment:
(1) Reteaches a Taut “Hi”
(2) That Hate Causerie
I just looked up “causerie” and it is a short form of writing which features verbal acrobatics, humor, hyperbole, and intentional disregard of linguistic norms.
(3) Aesthetic Hut Area
This is my favorite one! It’s the Chateau’s evil twin, or inverse. It’s the “nicely decorated grass huts” that, according to you, we would still be living in if women were in charge of building civilization. HAHA
On topic though, I’m very attracted to well-dressed men. Maybe these men’s fashion startups (where they mail you a box of stuff to try on) can sort of replace the tailors of olde.
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Disney launches first ‘exclusively gay moment’ in Beauty and the Beast http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3530141/posts
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…the new version of Beauty and the Beast will star a manservant exploring his sexuality.
Director Bill Condon said: “LeFou is somebody who on one day wants to be Gaston and on another day wants to kiss Gaston.
“And Josh [Gad, who plays LeFou] makes something really subtle and delicious out of it…
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Hanzel and Gretl is really about blood liable and the Moloch cult. Read the real stories sometime.
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That’s why they’re doing all these live-remakes of all these fairy tales, to interject all the globohomo bullshit down people’s throats. Many of which our parents grew up with (Sleeping Beauty–>Maleficent) and one most of us grew up with, the beautifully animated original Beauty and the Beast.
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(((((Disney))))) will not stop until it is stopped.
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Walt is spinning in his gr@ve so fast, his coff1n could win a Grand Prix.
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What (((they))) did to that man’s legacy… just brutal.
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Yep. (((They))) did it on purpose.
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I srongly suspect that the dominance of homosexuals in the fashion industry is the reason for the effeminancy of modern men’s fashion. Nice to see Great Books for Men is back posting!
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Nobody has a zeltbahn to throw on anymore?
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I like the Tarnjacke in a nice autumn leaf pattern myself.
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LOL
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Tarnjacke type 1 M38 automne:
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Bingo
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I have it on good a-u-t-h-o-r-i-t-y that the P-i-c-k-e-l-h-a-u-b-e is making a c-o-m-e-b-a-c-k.
/Trying to figure out WordPress trigger words rape!
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https://www.menofthewest.net/taming-the-she-beast/
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In ye olden days men used to wear tights and pink was the colour of manhood and battle. In moderation I actually quite like skinny jeans, not so tight like the 1970s.
Clown trousers are the easy bit to understand. Men wear baggy because they have no arse.
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Some might find them quite constraining when actually I find it uplifting. Almost regal. My favourite jeans to swagger in are slap bang in the middle between bootcut and Russell Brand.
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What I do hate are those jeans you buy with holes already in and those one’s covered in marks like a plasterer’s radio. The workmen look designer jeans which show that you’ve never, ever been on a building site.
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They were my pet hate for sure those jeans part of the whole moshing, my parents didn’t buy me a playstation for christmas, scene which came out of middle class America: Skater dorks, jackass etc. The baggy arse thing seems to come from that fashion although niggerz wear clown trousers too don’t they.
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We should go back to the 1980s with the massive shoulder pads so we all look broad-shouldered whilst we were piling into the offices and shopping malls and shipping the factories off to China. When real masculinity was forsaken and everyone starting to do effeminate work, Rambo came out along with shoulder pads.
Big burly blokes in the 1970s used to come out the mines and factories, go home and put on the eye shadow and glitter. It must have been funny to see.
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I see the same problem in classical music. Classical music is supremely emotional, delicate and refined and in the days of total war and growing up starving people loved it where these days classical music is a bit of a homo thing. It shouldn’t be a homo thing at all but thanks to the modern take on masculinity, it is.
It’s all fucked up. The more violent and aggressive the music today the more of a dorky cripple you are who never won a fight. The irony of people who are goth and metalheads is that intimidating is the last thing they are.
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Black music is sometimes violent and aggressive, and so is white chav(working class)music in Britain. But it’s not one-dimensional. They do reflect the gritty life on the never never but there’s lovey dovey in there, too. The music is not repellent to women and as repressive as working class life can be the importance of attracting women remained.
The sheltered lives of moshers and punk rockers are obsessed with sounding gritty, pissed off. Unflinchingly so. Jackass wasn’t liked by lads with scars on their faces and a criminal record, it was always seen as rebellion for the feeble and pampered.
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I remember being the first on the council estate to stop wearing Stone Island, trackies and rockport boots and begin wearing jeans. And not just any jeans, flaired fucking jeans. My decision to stop dressing like a thug and start dressing like a fashionable gent was one of the best decisions I ever made.
The girls loved it. My opinion is that if you look/seem quite hard/rough naturally then you’re better off trying to soften and tone it down – even if it looks a bit gay.
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Never noticed the homo part, as far as I can tell, Classical music is pretty much exclusively old people, with a rather heavy side order of J3ws and East Asians.
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Men look, quite simply, like hell these days.
I am a sharp looking young lad at all times and it has always served me well. Now it would seem that dressing to the nines (tailored suits, double breasted suits, pocket squares, nice ties, with a few cuff links, lapel pins, and other flights of fancy) makes you a nonconformist today. And since time immemorial, male nonconformists always slayed. Don’t listen to those dockers and Costco-polo shirt clad losers at the office who ask if you if you’ve got an interview today. Tell ‘me to fûck off and learn how to dress like a man.
Not least from a game perspective, dressing sharp with little conversational flourish here and there (e.g., suspenders or tiny whales on your tie) will pay dividends.
In the summer I wear go-to-hëll chinos (green or salmon). You know how many girls have opened *me* with those bad boys?
Stand out from the crowd, gents.
#MAGA
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*tell ’em
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a pretty good analysis of Trump’s speech:
http://www.dailystormer.com/strikers-analysis-president-trumps-speech-to-congress/
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Thanks. Reading some facebook comments the shitlibs were sour. They know they are losing.
Saw some comments from white American females saying white American men are the real terrorists.
I know 52% voted for Trump but the others are the biggest traitors in history. I don’t think any other group of women in any other country have turned on their men like white American women.
Feminism = white American women stabbing white American men in the back while giving a free pass to non white men.
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German women have been very good at it.
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“I don’t think any other group of women in any other country have turned on their men like white American women.”
this is a byproduct of their sexual liberation. when they’ve gobbled a few too many cocks the guys they wanted to eventually settle down with don’t want them anymore. and the guys that DO want them, the obsequious betas, make them nauseous. ergo, their desire transforms into jealousy-hate.
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another way to look at this: the patriarchy likes it’s women on the sweet side. western woman sees that as being meek, so they power up. then lo-and-behold alpha guys only want them for sex. they’ve been taught that we’re “weak” for not being able to handle a “strong” woman. and we’re like, “nah. we just don’t like your crass personality, and the fact that your vag is community property. your tits are okay tho.”
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PJ you’re a cuck
humoring a POS like Mr. Bundesnachrichtendienst plant
Lickt’off, lick my papist Habsburg anus! you waste of a decent monkey spank
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“PJ you’re a cuck”
oink, you’re a moron. you need to get your thyroid prescription checked. you’re acting belligerent and picking way too many fights. weird mood swings, etc. and watch the sugar or you’ll end up back in the hospital.
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what does that have to do with your cucking for BND?
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“what does that have to do with your cucking for BND?”
can you string a fucking sensible, coherent comment together or would that go against doctor’s orders?
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He’s saying Lichthof works for the German equivalent of the CIA. Interesting twist.
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I can see why the JIDF would have an interested in the chateau…
… but the German CIA?
Oy, that’s a stretch… even for the aficionados ’round chere, who never heard a CT they didn’t like.
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“He’s saying Lichthof works for the German equivalent of the CIA.”
thanks for the translation, CD. oink writes like he probably eats: compulsively. hard to follow.
I assume everyone on here could potentially be working for the CIA. except for myself. or do I, and just don’t know it…? 🤔
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oink is one of the sharp ones.
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Nah, European women have a leg up on their ‘Murcan sistas in the treason department.
At least in America, there are the Redneck Cuntreh girls, a population segment absent in the Olde Worlde.
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I just as soon as figured we all worked for some alphabet agency variation.
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Look at it this way – Dawn is finally breaking. We’ve passed peak insanity and come out the other side still standing.
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oink is one of the sharp ones.
I’m still in the fence about oink, and was starting to MAYBE trust him again as merely naive on a few salient issues, while mostly solid on others…
… but when WrongSide/DivineKike/t/Yahweh gives him an endorsement, one has to start leaning back the other way and feel that suspicions are warranted.
I mean, geez Louise… do (((ALL))) youse guys occupy the same floor on the JIDF cube farm?
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Oink…why am I a POS?
I’ve never ever attack or even argue with anyone on here…
Why German CIA? That’s a new one.
You’re weird.
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BND plant = POS
DTP plant = POS
NSA plant = POS
FSB plant = POS
MI6 plant = POS
Herr “L” please transmit your superiors that a dual EU and USofA taxpayer is severely disappointed at the mediocre effort that BRD is assigning to a Top 100 Alternative Ideology outlet
But you, POS, can continue to lick my Habsburg Papist anus
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Yeah, that was a good analysis.
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Too many faggots in the ‘fashion’ and clothing industry is a yuge problem.
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This is a huge problem. Men need to be in shape, most of all. But then they need to carry themselves and present themselves like men. It takes effort but it can be done. The classic American look of the mid-20th century is the place to start looking for inspiration.
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“Cultural Resilience:
The fashion industry is controlled by dykes that want masculine women and faggots that want feminine men to be the ideal for the west to aspire to. What did you expect? It all part of (((the plan)))).”
It’s also a mosquito control strategy. Catch males, sterilize them, release them to breed with females. End of the line.
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Men’s “fashion” has about as much to do with what men actually wear as marine biology does: nil. The “fashion industry” is literally just an excuse for old faggots to dress up young faggots in fetish gear and parade them in front of other old faggots.
Actual men continue to wear much the same clothes they’ve been wearing since Eisenhower was President.
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This.
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The “fashion industry” is literally just an excuse for old faggots to dress up young faggots in fetish gear and parade them in front of other old faggots.
Pithy, droll… and 24K truth. Well-said.
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An important distinction the “what fashion companies are trying to sell men/women” memes miss is that high fashion, i.e. runway shows, are often just intended as another form of art, and not really meant for anyone to actually wear — although retail designers will sometimes look to these shows for cues and ideas, and you may see themes or trends trickle down to the brick and mortar brands.
But yes, “fashion” is undoubtedly influenced by teh fruities.
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It’s still dark jeans, nice boots and well fitting collared shirts in the red lands.
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i have a lot of problems with fashion.
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Not once in my entire life have I gotten the impression that the way a man dresses has any impact whatsoever on his success with women.
It ain’t the clothes, it’s what’s IN the clothes.
They are just as visual as we are, they’re just sneakier and (much) less truthful about it.
This post once again confirms my suspicion that the majority of the poster live in NE corridor or Bay Area metros3xual Hipsterville, since when do men pay any attention to what clothing dethignerth want them to wear ?
My preferred style includes stuff like band t’s, shorts, jeans if necessary, Army/Navy surplus, skate shoes, but I try to go barefoot whenever possible, weather and conditions permitting.
The less I have to put between myself and nature, the better.
Try this:
Create a f@ke ‘dating’ profile with a picture of a ripped Tarzan-type dude in a loincloth and watch your inbox go b00m…….
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The outside world is always shaped by the inside world. If you think you deserve the HB8 with hourglass body, then you will get her. If you dress like a hobgoblin then most likely you ARE a hobgoblin.
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This shirt looks fine
https://i.redditmedia.com/NhM8oOfuBfjzLgf2FatF9UtOfWTG46Q6dfwcS9FAQjc.png?w=576&s=b2be211f87fe54288a6365afd4928ddf
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There is a lot of opportunity for men who can conceptually dress well.
With that said, it has been a tough 15 or so years for white males growing up. A lot of mixed signals and shaming making it hard to figure out what is solid male and what is gender neutral bullshit.
Your job is to help them.
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Good fashion for men moved online because that’s the natural outpost for taste & reason now. Check out batchmens.com for example.
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If you need a holster, here is your answer: https://www.amazon.com/Kydex-Slide-Holster-Glock-Right-hand/dp/B008477M3E/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1488468537&sr=8-6&keywords=x-concealment.
It works. Fuck IWB.
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Notice it fits the 26, 23, 19, 17 etc because of the open bottom — all but the 20 and 21, and they make one for that too. Great design. Trust me. I’ve researched the shit out of this issue.
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