Traditionalists, anti-gamers and the usual assortment of sour grapers who want to believe men who are successful at bedding women aren’t winners in the social status or self-indulgence sweepstakes, often resort to the argument that having kids makes a man alpha. This “It’s not the number of bangs, it’s the creating of womb issues” theory is very comforting to a certain mindset.
Helpful reminder: before the age of aquarius contraception, a beta male achieving one bang in his lifetime had a decent shot at impregnating a woman. There aren’t many men, or women, who would argue that managing to have sex once in his life qualifies a man for alphatude, regardless whether the act results in a baby or a blank.
The alpha male of yore — before effective condoms and the pill were widely available — may have been distinguishable by his large brood, but today that signal no longer applies. Today’s alpha male can, and does, easily thwart his genetic programming to make lots of minialphas through the use of such anti-fertilization show-stoppers.
Therefore, the best signal now for how alpha a man is remains what was outlined in this post. The definition contained therein may offend your socratic sensibilities, but great truths often distill as tautologies.
Interestingly, men of the lower classes, because they are prone to forego or misuse contraceptives as befits their constricted time horizons, can more readily be categorized as beta or alpha based on how many children they sire with roaming single moms. In the upper classes, the opposite reality endures; the alpha male is often the one who puts off having children so that he may enjoy his youth chasing skirt, contraceptively freed from the consequences that would otherwise gestate should he direct his amore toward dumber, poorer women who don’t possess the conscientiousness or common sense to swallow a pill on a regular basis.
This is, really, the great advantage that boffing smart chicks offers to men: worry-free sex. Sparkling conversation is just icing on the cake.
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eminem prolly coulda had 2 or 3 kidz but he just has 1 so again u see dat heartsitesse is RIGHT!
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so sad
now u know why i wear black
for all da funerals i have witnessed
no lzozolzzing heree lzozlzolzol just a momemetz of silence
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its not easy to be GBFM klzkzozozl as all y’all love me to detahz zlzlzozo
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“it is more efficient to import pre-grown labor from mexico and put our own women in the work force, than it would be to have women raise children to be decent human beings instead of ritalin addicted zlozzlozl consumerz zlzlzzozolzoz. and so we will comeanndz our own womenz to abort their unbron and return to the workplace where we can tax them while poalcing any kids that manage to slip by into our corproatete state daycare lzozozlo while importing pre-grown labor form mexico. we have run the numbers, and everyone comes out ahead, execpet for da 50,000,000 aborted and all the men who have to pay for pats yuse of der wives pussieiiisusu via alimonieszz lzolzolzlzozozloz”
hey heratistee!~!! hey heartistse!! lzozozozzo since we have sos s sooo zoo many braniace braniacs here i have translated da GBFM “i luv all ye of little faith” in to latin!!!!!
here iss da original engling anglaias lzozlzoz englisshes:
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/i-luvs-you-allls-o-ye-of-little-faith/
ands hwe here da latins for all da phi beta beta beta tea kappa betaboyz zlzozozozzozozoozozlz:
i luvs te allls o vos parum fidei
ad omnes uiduae cum feles
qui semel pascebant insidiatur in spinsterhood / servientes debitum lxolllozlzl
ad omnes fanboys in xit una mom scriptor basements
cuius dads numquam cognovit quia pascebant tookawy fatehrhood lzozlzl
ad omnes contritum familes
qui secantur, haedos pascere oportet facere salaria
ad omnes canus necon womenz celeberating secretive tapings de butthex sine semel girlths conthent lzozllzlzozlzl sunt tircked vos
ad omnes VIDUA chix iterum i sum contristati sunt sdesouled vobis
in asscokcing sessins consopiti te in prozac
vobis ad APSTRAHO haedos tuos non mirum your’re d [expressi et omnes fucjked usque non lozlzlzlzling hic
mea viscera ad vos Tucker max & Goldman sax risum zlzolzlzl
quoque omnes abortivi fetushes quaeritur veniam mereri non et ad omnes insidiatur in abortum donum vitae lzozllzllzl nos dimittimus u etiam et pro semel fethuses, sed non in schola orationem est illegal in schola lozlzllzlz
ad omnes inthe ortu genertaion qui erit redde eorum parentes culturae et pecuniariis debita lzozlz bellum est non fun sed scriptor parte semel pascebant scriptor fiat bulla cyclum lzozlzllz ita similis post th e patria vadit imaginem bellum incipiat in ultimum sentinam et udmp ratio te cogitari enron / worldcom / fannae Mae mala lolzozlzlz iustum expectare lzozlzlll i spem non et ai pro pacem lozlzlz maybe nos potest omnes discere vivere et FIO sed i putant esset committitur cum verum et nobilitate et honorem et ocurage et virtus et non cum fiat debitum et butthex lozlzlzl quod suus iustus nDo gues lectione heroduts et magna boooks et classis in Graeca et latina zlzolzllzlzl
et Biblia etiam de Sodomorum et gomorroah non yuknow amet sodomycame forma Sodomam et gonnoreah de gommroah? lzozllz kidding ut secundo i dubitas fecit sed maybe qui scit i numquam eitehr sodomiticum nec gonorreah et i ahve numquam Sodomam nec gomoorrah
Sodomorum est; ve fuit ridiculam loco lzolzlozolllzzll et furiosum pars vel duo et editor in chiefstress Priscilla painton ad Simon et schuster esset apta ius in editae Tucker max librorum alleluia i betin gmorrah habebant turris confusionem cum ofices Simonis et schuster in summo trans aula formans pascebant lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzllzlzlz
aliquando i mirum si poetae et prophetas adhuc mutare mundi?
vel sunt trainde quoque, etiam multis mulieres ad odio, et dumbed descendit et consopiti nimis multa menz? sunt destoryed etiam multi patres et occidit multis familias? habent y deocnstructed tyoo librorum et effundetur etiam multo sanguine et abortivi etiam multis fetuthes ut est quoque multis. sunt praescripta ritalin ad etiam multis cretaive sols in chool in prozac ad etiam multis qui opus ad esse adflictus et sustinere cum APSTRAHO foetus ut deus nobis affectus et facit non operam ad amet stae corproate doctores ut omnes Glossarium ex non attendentes statu lzozlzzll et nunc est prognosticis ut a diseas lzozlzlz.
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bene juust voluit dicere i luv u omnes et delicatus II scire ya et excipit abords lzozlzl
et II asnwer mea super quaestiones
me jsut dicere
semel magna librorum
non esse magna
si non immortalis
et offerunt nobis redemptionem
in momento committitur habitabat tehir ideasl
et heroicis superior fabulas
ponere tuam odium et secretive butthex machinae magnetophonicae
et levare crucem
et venit sequitur me
et me shoulderyour onus
meo iugum est lux
Dantes scripsit la vita nuova-in vita
IV invenias vitae tempus et u
enim ad perdit unum vetus via est ad fuind in novus
ita non timere
lozlzlzlzlzlz omg wtf sum i dicens lzozlzlz
i fere cecinit mea operimentum hic ut semel Messias lzozlzllll abscondam beind omnes lzozlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlles sed a duobus vobis ahve captus in lzozlzlzlzllzlzl
Somewhere in Inferno, Vergil just split a gut laughing.
might be funny if u transleted neoconlogisms as well…
Hello Great Balls For Manginas. I took Ritalin once in High School. I memorized a two page poem in 15 minutes and scored a 100 on the recall test. I knew then I would became a very dangerous man if I ever got hooked. So never did again.
when i was attendindgz a prestiguous ivy leaague instsitution, one time i gotz invited to a party af a preistsious club and it said “cockatail attire reqauirieid.” lzozlzozoz
so i shows up in my t-shirts and jeans and add ada big bouncer goes “sorry cocktail attire only”
so i looks at him and say, “DUH! i gotz the cock where’s da tail?” lzozozoozozoz
truee story dey let me in and my lostass cockas found lotsas tails day night
and i banged many of dem but no kidz as dey had been told dat sex sex sex wwas justs tft for funz zlzlzozozozo and not for little gbfms zzlzllzlozlozlozzlzzo many of whom were aborted in the neocthcocnths war on the preemepeptive war on da unvbornz zlozlzozz
weleles at elast i gododn’ don’t pay norr no chidlds uspport i guesss, and you knowaxz how these dayszz the fed saysz women can takeddd da chcildren away as dey ar epoker chips in the fed’s welath-rtransfer schemee whence they seize a man’s property his very own chcildreenzz and then riad his bank acocungt pensiozzn savings to grow doa fedeeral stta refeder fed state lzozloz
welll poorr bernenekz can only creatatse worthless debt, so datz why daey need da feeinsi8st pplice tstate to conevertt dat eowtherless debt into physcial proepertesiised and asstetsts zlzozoozo
so it is dat date place the buttehxters next to teh fiat beernkakkeifier matserz in hell, as both occicucptations are crimes against art and naturrteh as both are unnatatural and uyeiedl no furirtz lzzoozlozoozoz yield nofirtisz z zno furtiiuss slzlozl furits!!!
they yield no friust i guess… thees an argumant sayz ight here that unborne no soul = so how can kill? aslo how can strike back empire striekd back and was left in susts/.
whata thef ucck ar you syaying? what the fuckci is worong with yoru garrammarz?? can you pleassre aski again in the king’s englis!!! da bnoeocnths ladies like charoletete allene at da wekely standytadh ar every particicuular about grammarz, alothough sectieve tapikings of butthex iwthout teh grirlth skiwnwoing it is ebeing taped is cool with dem
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Da fact dat de neeocon bernankified wimminz at da weakly standerdz like da butthexingz should be common sensnse llololzololzol affter all, it was da neoconzz who butthexed da entyre cuntry with de iraqqq warz aand handded it over to obamamamania and da butthexorz in da dummocunt partyz lollolozozolozl
i think you misssspleled buttehxt?
anyyhwowow where here is show youse should pronounce it:
butthhhh – thhext’! as in “i never tried butth-thext! before!” before you tae it secretly with your buddy, en route to a massive picblihsing delazz with da new eyorkes neocteheonsgstshh lzozozlzo
I really wonder how anybody can believe Tucker Maxth after watching that interview. The entire interview is available at JihadTube and the callers rip him a new one.
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whether they are made up or ture
it is true dat
made up or true storieszz of secrteev tapingz of butthext getz u paid and promoteed by powefrurul woemnz at sodom and scheister simon and shcuchuster and at da weekly standatdtdh lzozozozoz
can you imagaine hemeiongway or fitzgeralald or hemingway or fitxeggrald peddling storeisis about sceteive tyapinsgs of butethxxtx? lzozolzol
I agree with Rick on this particular interview. Something just seems a little off about Mr. Max in that video. He touches his face a lot and seems to get a bit nervous when they questions him about the tape. Something about his tonality and speech cadence scream “LIAR”
i think you misssspleled buttehxt?
I see, truu dat, I’m stitill a noobob at dis dialeectits lololollzolzolz
Eminem, Steven Tyler, Mick Jagger, [insert random rock star that gets tons of bitches], etc. have plenty of kids.
Most alpha males have kids, George Clooney excluded. Usually, it’s the middle/upper middle class alpha males that avoid fathering kids because they’re the ones who will get raped in family court.
“This is, really, the great advantage that boffing smart chicks offers to men: worry-free sex.”
Worry-free (child support-free) sex only happens if the chick doesn’t need money or if your value is not much greater than hers. Nothing to do with intelligence.
[heartiste: wrong. worry-free sex happens when 1) the chick absolutely craves your demon seed and 2) she is smart enough and conscientious enough to use birth control.]
I propose a better, stricter measure of alphaness: the number of chicks in your sexual history who go to great lengths to get impregnated by you without your consent.
[dumb chicks do this. smart chicks try to get the man they love to fall in love with them before pulling the ol’ gotcha pregnancy on them as a last resort.]
i intend fully 2 have two sonszz and teach them how to lzozlozozozl at da world and to have two duaghterz and raise them well and keep da neooctching butthxintging coajkas away from der bugholez zlzozozoz so dat day don’t end y da butt of the joke butt of the neoconths publishing publicicicictyieeis joke lzozozozozoozzlzozolz
lozozozo hey hearatsyistzzixitesz!!! someododboy took y poem as their signatures!!~!~
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agreed
Logged
“da professional womenz ode”
alpha fucks and beta bucks
dat is how we roll
da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks
and in our anuthes it doth deosul
alpha fucks and beta bucks
it is da way of da fed
to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
cuckold dose who pay for our bread
beta bucks and alpha fucks
it’s what day teach us we;’re entitled too
da assetts from betas we plucks
after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
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cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
and say da great books for menz was all fools.
yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats
GBFM, internet phenomenon
dis is where day have reposted my poetry da proems of da GBFM! lozozozoz http://tallonzektimes.org/bb/index.php?topic=48128.30
Eminem’s entire existence and song ideas come from oneitis. So no, he’s far from an alpha. If it weren’t for his ability to say stuff that rhymes, he’d be a bunch of black guy’s bitch.
have some decency to admit that hes a genius in his field
Dr. Seuss shits all over Feminem
the Alpha was never charactarized in history by the number of children he sired. Of course that is a component of alphadom, but so is a combative personality and there are plenty of beta fighters.
The Saga of Rostom and Sohrab demonstrates this.
Tell that to Genghis Khan and all those Muslim sultans. In Christian Europe, that tendency was tempered somewhat, although given all the people named FitzRoy in England, that is still debatable.
Most of the Muslim sultans, including Suleiman the Magnificent were pretty beta and ruled by their wives.
It can be an alpha trait, but having many sons is not necessarily the mark of an alpha, again.
There were plenty of alpha males like the Black Prince who died with only one son or no offspring at all.
Alpha males like Genghis Khan and Suleiman had many children, but it wasn’t having many children that made them alpha males. He’s perfectly correct.
Genghis Khan truly was the father of his country — and half a dozen other countries besides.
I think there is a difference between holding a wife’s opinion in high esteem versus being ruled by her. A guy like Suleiman thought nothing of having a wife killed if she displeased him.
He killed his own firstborn son and heir to please his wife and then made her son his heir.
The son’s name was Selim the Sot.
beta…
Yes, and I’d argue that even if, as CH mentions, “one bang [..] had a decent shot at impregnating a woman”, in “days of yore,” bangs were much, much harder to come by for the lowest status men than they are today. There simply aren’t tribal chiefs and their kin carefully guarding access to all women in their vicinity any longer. I think it’s likely that alpha traits were much more closely aligned with number of offspring in the ancestral environment (i.e. high status –> alpha traits; high status –> lots of surviving offspring).
As I said before Heartiste, you havin’ a little Heartiste as a legacy is much better than an online archive. Don’t care how you do it, but you should have a little dude.
Yeah, but not everyone is into the spyke and tyke fantasy.
It’s not a “fantasy” by any means. The way I see it, what could be more fun than getting your alpha on while watching (and training) your own little alpha to get his alpha on? Or Heartiste can be like all those liberals that don’t have any kids and eventually die off. But, hey, if Heartiste teaching us alpha is like us being his children in his mind, so be it.
Read Diotima’s description of love in Socrates’ speech in the Symposium (207). The urge for immortality leads us to “father” intellectual heirs just as surely as it leads us to create physical ones, and Socrates considers this more pure replication to be superior to breeding.
Then again, Socrates was ugly as sin. His handsome young transcriber Plato, however, was not — at least before he was “corrupted” by the old bisexual goat.
Matt
all hail plato(o)n; what is modern state but plato’s wet dream…
Here here. It was Aristotle via John Locke who was the original father of America. Now Plato’s mysticism has corrupted everything. Every forward step in the history of Western man has come courtesy of Aristotle; fiat butthexing bernankes are the mutant offspring of Plato. As well as Christianity.
Give him a break. He is reverse-engineering a justification for his life choices with a limited intellectual toolbox. As if such a justification is necessary, or as if we care. It’s precious.
He may yet mature into the serenity of age, which allows a fellow to make confident arguments without claiming his every decision represents the apogee of human volition and behavior. It’s a kind of debilitating superiority complex that he keeps doubling down on. In pursuit of that gambling strategy, all bets of maturity are off.
The stubborn old are the ugliest specimens of humanity there are. Fortunately (and unfortunately) he isn’t old yet. I’ll be here when his scintilla sparks, if it ever does. I am here for those of you already scintillating, as he was there for you in a prior stage of development. Because I’m a real bro like that.
Matt
You’ll be here in the comments section?
Write a blog man, you sound like a smart dude. The manosphere needs blogs by smart dudes to help the next generation of young men.
“The stubborn old are the ugliest specimens of humanity there are.”
Queen B, we know; With just ASCII characters you couldn’t be a better example.
Activity time must be over at the retirement home today.
Your definition of alpha is selective and fluid and begs the question.
State the alpha male’s telos plainly in your words. To live longest and fuck the most without leaving a genetic legacy?
In ethology, and in every other instance of your use of evolutionary psychology, the driving force is the perpetuation of the gene coincidental to any specific instance of relative benefit (such as sexual pleasure) for the individual carriers. The beast isn’t exerting its will, its genes are. Alpha wolf is just along for the exciting ride.
Except now you subtract the telos of the gene and replace it with what? Individual instances of finite, contracepted pleasure. The unwitting slaves to the gene-master’s will have subverted the original ultimate purpose with a rubber. The former slaves are alpha in characteristic but not in result. So which is it? Are the genes still in control, or have the slaves successfully revolted to establish new ends?
Further, how long can alpha “winners” perpetuate themselves if prophylactics are now a condition of their winning in your selection scheme? You seem to be fixated on one anomalous period in evolutionary history — the one you happen to be living in, where the effect of contraception has not yet genetically imprinted itself onto instinct — rather than the ultimate results of that evolution. Which makes a kind of selfish sense since you’ll be dead and won’t care. But your conclusions are peculiar to this time and speak nothing about the day after tomorrow.
I hold no brief for theories of patriarchal alphadom, they sound like an MRA rear-guard fixation to justify family and fidelity. They misapply the terminology of the savage pack to the dynamics of mediated civilization. It’s a simple error in extrapolation. The same as your own error: to think of us as nothing more sophisticated than wolves with condoms. At bottom, this is true. And in fact, we discount the influence of our instincts far too much in this weak piping time of peace. But man is the animal with the ability to transcend and manage his instincts. Indeed, contraception is the very product of that unique human quality.
Whatever you say. But you’re not consistent with your own pretenses.
Matt
it’s curious when man applies animal rules to his kingdom. what abounds?
lzozozozo hey KINGB king i hear what you are sayin!!!
civilization with the advent of he heroic stories such as the iliad and odyssey, such as exodus and virgil’s aeneid, defined the alpha as the good, the chivalrous, and the just man. men of character and integrity excelled at work and in life, and civil society was set up so as to afford them a loving, honorable, none-buttcocked wife. following gina and butt tingles, which cosmo and bernakenes legal team encouragages todayz womenz to do, was frowned upon. men honored god, women honored men, and children honored their parents. today men honor buttehxhing sectrive tapings of buttehx, short douchebagd, women honor gina and butt tinges, and the children are aborted.
the feminist alpha is the buttcoking, short buttcocker who lies about his heigh and succtehethht.
the classical alpha is moses, odysseus, achilles, and virgil–the pious virgil who fought for honor, goodness, and glory, who fled his burning troy carrying his father on his back, alongside his religious totems, and went on to found rome. when odysseus returns on home, he kills all the arrogant buttcocker douchebags trying to woo his loyal wife penelope, and then has his son round up all their whores and string them up in the backyard, “cleaning house.” today, the arrogant buttcocker douchebags–the short men who lie about tehir hight and succeteh and tape buttocking is=n secrete, are sold to teh world as alphas.
but the true alphas of western civilization have ever been defined by the hallmark of western civilization that has spearheaded all science, religion, and freedom–the classical, honorable soul.
lzozlozolzozolzloz dat was my first sentsstence in ten years iwth no typsozoso!!!!!!! lzozozl Halalaauaajujahah!!!!
great books for men rhymes with mother hen
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Pleasant words but in no way you’ve managed to debunk this blog’s definition.
I like the wordcraft but the sophistry is tiresome.
you debunk glp not heartiste l0l
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/what-is-anti-game/
In the comments section linked above you can read some entertaining re-runs re hashing similar issues: Traditionalists, anti-gamers and the usual assortment of sour grapers; naturally the ones who refute the truths are also the ones who have no practical experience or success with consistently bedding attractive women. Without surprise they’re Omega and Beta men that rationalize their life’s lack of sexual satisfaction.
Creating stories by disparaging what is unattainable is a pure example of cognitive dissonance.
The humbled man, as Queen B describes himself, would admit he is Omega.
All definitions “beg the question” if this is your definition of “begs the question” (this of course would lead to “begs the question” itself being begging the question). No, only arguments can beg the question, that is, assume what it is trying to prove. Heartiste offered a definition of alpha male; an axiom. An argument was put forth that follows from that axiom but this is still not begging the question.
Look at me, I has de big wordz.
Alphaness(alphatude? alphatocity?) is not just genetic, its a man’s social status relative to the men around him. It has also been said here that alpha is a state of mind. My point is that even if mankind evolves differently due to contraceptive technology, the relative alpha’s will still be getting the sex and happiness, even if the current alpha’s have left the gene pool.
This is why it is a CRIME that Heartiste does not include quality and quantity of prior women in his dating market test for men. There are so many variants of game that can work on girls. It’s the results that give the best indication.
Quantity isn’t everything – some dudes get high number counts picking up the scraps at closing time.
Quality isn’t everything – some dorks get lucky and nail the high school hottie they grew up with but then can’t get anything over a 5 from college on.
But none of the criteria on the dating market test are determinative alone. Quantity and quality are just two more components that should be considered. I’ll leave it to the esteemed editor to determine the exact metrics.
Your tweet:
“Women are much better than men at “switching off” their primal sexuality, which is why so many beta males think women are ethereal asexuals.”
I think of it like the guys in the Death Star throwing the switches in order. You have to start with the first switch and get the timing and sequence down in order. Most guys don’t even reach for the first switch.
If you game her right it culminates in an orgasmic blast that shakes the planet.
Her attraction triggers are based on the man in question.
Alpha: Throws all the triggers in order, quickly, even before she knew what “happened”. Things “happened”. Things I “normally don’t do”.
Beta/Omega: These guys turn off the power supply to the switches before the first one is throw.
Not being cruel man, but you should really try not to think in Star Wars terms when it comes to anything having to do with picking up girls.
You must have had a bad experience crossing swords.
next time, jedi, use your blaster.
“U WILL NOT GET A BOOTY CALL OUTTA ME”
http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=36940982
“FYI DO NOT ASK FOR NUDE PIXS U WILL NOT GET THEM”
Oh really?
Sad omegas asking for nudies, or just hamster rationalization for making her believe that men desire her?
For me, she can keep the pix.
Nice to see people are picking up my habit of linking ridiculous online dating profiles, but next time link one w/a better pic.
Bingo.
any man who booty calls her is lawfully required to turn in his man-card.
Her booty probably has its own area code.
If she sits the wrong way, it overlaps (heh) two zip codes.
That’s the first impression that came to my mind.
Cell towers don’t cover that wide an expanse.
Pets : cat
Women are slores for the right guys or even the right wrong guys with the wrong but so right patter…
There are good reasons to have children, but being able to call yourself an alpha male is not one of them.
How is that? You would think that alpha virility would be too indomitable to be bounded under artificial restraints.
Who cares if you spread your seed in every port, leaving abandoned incubators behind to puff up and procreate your line? Fatherhood is as artificial as contraception is as artificial as the rule of law. Is it the legal regime that dictates his prophylactic behavior, who commands his hand to roll the condom on? What true alpha animal is deterred by such social niceties as deadbeat laws and the obsolescing residue of shame culture?
Consider the virgin who fathered some fourteen children. Only in a culture where sex and reproduction has been severed this severely might we contemplate the synthesis of the Ideal Alpha, so damn alpha that it is impossible for him to be concerned about any consequence of his sexual will — legal, social, or otherwise. He has sex to have sex. It’s civilization that insists his connection to the potential sprogs.
Who is studlier, really? The forward-planning dweeb who shields his manly essence behind latex, or the bull who sticks his bull-cock wherever, however, whenever, and in whomever it wills? Perhaps since man is the thinking animal, he can enjoy the best of both worlds. Okay. But if he weren’t so fearful of the dictates of his instinct, he wouldn’t employ that thinking to the ends of prevention, which constrains his will prior to the action, but rather evasion, which allows his will to be more perfectly spontaneous and free. If he can imagine strategies to avoid potential pregnancies, he can imagine strategies to maintain identity concealment.
Matt
There are 0 good reasons to have kids these days.
Strongly disagree. White people need to make having and raising babies their number one priority. Muslims, Blacks and Mexicans: slow down. East Asians: good pace.
I can’t tell you how many times I have come so close to giving in to my just wrong side to have a kid with a bride not my own. I don’t even know why I would do it.
Look, we all know that the hosts are just waiting for the right older, mature, dynamic, vivacious, worldy woman to come along, sweep them off their feet to take a chance on some in-vitro trials in an off chance of producing a viable baby (knocks on wood, salt over shoulder, etc.). We all know Heartiste has a “Hillary Clinton divorce” RSS feed just for that reason.
alpha is now such a mainstream term that it’s lost most of its meaning. i’d define alpha as an attitude. the ability to sex many women is a side effect of said attitude.
“…define alpha as an attitude. the ability to sex many women is a side effect of said attitude.”
Agreed.
Men can quarrel with hair splitting argument and banter forever to try and define Alpha. It’s an attitude; it’s a behavioral stimulus & response matrix that attracts and seduces beautiful women.
Another way to help define Alpha attitude is to look at behaviors that are not Alpha:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/what-is-anti-game/
Regardless of alpha/beta/gamma… Fucking women with condom is insane from a biological standpoint. Feminists are eliminating themselves from earth by not having more than 2.1 kids on average, and maybe PUAs are too.
A relevant post from my blog:
“In nature, every action by every animal is highly influenced by the genes of the animal and every action by every animal is highly related to ensuring the propagation of animal’s genes. If we look at ourselves, the world in which we live in has changed very rapidly in the last thousand years, yet our genes barely changed during this time. This inconsistency between rapidly changing surroundings and slowly changing genes makes humans do things which are insane from a biological perspective.
This insanity is manifested in numerous actions made by modern humans. A simple example to this insanity is paying a prostitute to have sex with you and using a condom. The reason you want to have sex with the prostitute emanates from your genes which entice you to have sex with the prostitute by injecting chemicals to your brain. Your genes are designed to a world without contraceptives and ‘think’ that you will impregnate the prostitute and thus ensure the propagation of your genes. However, in reality the chances of impregnating the prostitute are zero, since you live in a world with contraceptives. You are futility wasting resources and making a biologically insane action.
You can say that you don’t care about your genes and pay to have sex with the prostitute… but basically you are still following genetic instructions given to you in the form of pleasure by your out-of-date genes. You say you don’t care about your genes, but you are very much controlled by them. If you go against your genes, and consciously act to make rational biological decisions, your genes will have better chance of propagating, but you might be less ‘happy’ since your out-of-date genes will punish you by taking away pleasure.
The basic question here is: Where do ‘we’ begin and where our genes end?
Many solutions to this question easily lead to nihilism. The approach of the Guide to the Young Patriarch is clearly expressed in the Principle Patriarchal Value:
A genetic lineage is of the utmost importance to a patriarch.
If you want to take the red pill and look at the world as it is, consciously making rational biological decisions is the only sane solution. It is disturbing like many other red pill realizations, but it is true all the same. All other approaches lead to an abyss of insanity. Ironically, since society often define sanity as being ‘normal’ (i.e. acting like others), at times the insane masses might blame a man following this path of having their vice.”
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In nature, every action by every animal is highly influenced by the genes of the animal and every action by every animal is highly related to ensuring the propagation of animal’s genes. If we look at ourselves, the world in which we live in has changed very rapidly in the last thousand years, yet our genes barely changed during this time. This inconsistency between rapidly changing surroundings and slowly changing genes makes humans do things which are insane from a biological perspective.
This insanity is manifested in numerous actions made by modern humans. A simple example to this insanity is paying a prostitute to have sex with you and using a condom. The reason you want to have sex with the prostitute emanates from your genes which entice you to have sex with the prostitute by injecting chemicals to your brain. Your genes are designed to a world without contraceptives and ‘think’ that you will impregnate the prostitute and thus ensure the propagation of your genes. However, in reality the chances of impregnating the prostitute are zero, since you live in a world with contraceptives. You are futility wasting resources and making a biologically insane action.
You can say that you don’t care about your genes and pay to have sex with the prostitute… but basically you are still following genetic instructions given to you in the form of pleasure by your out-of-date genes. You say you don’t care about your genes, but you are very much controlled by them. If you go against your genes, and consciously act to make rational biological decisions, your genes will have better chance of propagating, but you might be less ‘happy’ since your out-of-date genes will punish you by taking away pleasure.
The basic question here is: Where do ‘we’ begin and where our genes end?
Many solutions to this question easily lead to nihilism. The approach of the Guide to the Young Patriarch is clearly expressed in the Principle Patriarchal Value:
A genetic lineage is of the utmost importance to a patriarch.
If you want to take the red pill and look at the world as it is, consciously making rational biological decisions is the only sane solution. It is disturbing like many other red pill realizations, but it is true all the same. All other approaches lead to an abyss of insanity. Ironically, since society often define sanity as being ‘normal’ (i.e. acting like others), at times the insane masses might blame a man following this path of having their vice.
Is there a distinction to be made between alpha on the prowl (this blog’s definition) and alpha in a relationship (eg sean connery)?
Because many alphas end up cuckolded because they can’t keep the bitch in line (eg kurt cobain). Being cuckolded is the mark of betas.
And many paper alphas (strong masculine men) who may be awkward seduction-wise can keep a woman’s interest level high enough for a long time.
Besides, there is the old debate about the alpha to men/alpha to women thing.
But I don’t really challenge this blog’s definition, because it makes more sense evolutionarily speaking; and lifetime monogamy is a recent half-failed adaptation.
WTF?
Watch any Kurt Cobain documentary. His interviews & gripes about not being able to get laid before becoming famous make him super omega. Dude couldn’t even look at the camera. His inherent personality was so omega that even his alpha celeb status could not undo it.
Yes, but according to this blog’s definition, he was alpha because lots of attractive women were throwing their panties at him. H defended him as alpha in the comment section of “defining the alpha male”.
He was a situational alpha, with all his alpha capital locked into his artistic talent and fame, but he was alpha nonetheless, ie he was in a position to get more pussy than anyone else.
That’s my small objection to this blog’s definition, a player with a rock solid inner game and another one who is only peacocking can be both alphas, but they are so different in essence that it’s confusing, but not that confusing if you consider getting pussy as an end.
“and lifetime monogamy is a recent half-failed adaptation.”
Recent in the grand scheme of things…but not so much so in human species terms- it was from the odd monogamous notions of the Roman Empire that we got most of the doctrine that is claimed to be “God’s Will” by Christianity as a whole. Early doctrine followed that of the Jewish culture- wherein you were supposed to marry at least ONE if not more wives (Signs of this abound in the Old and partly in the New Testament…).
If you think it’s “God’s Will” that you marry only one woman…heh…that’s a notion that came from out of Islam (Which also has really…odd…notions about Monogamy…) or Catholicism.
You are totally right! I am horrified by how many Christians think monogamy was a Judeo-Christian thing when it was an Indo-European practice rising from Greco-Roman customs. Israelites practiced polygamy. They had more in common with old style Mormons then with shrieking Protestant monogamy fanatics.
If I have de-souled all of your future wives by butthexing them and during an act that is supposed to be loving and affectionate and repeatedly and systematically treating them to degrading and abusive manner doesn’t that make me an Alpha?
If I have crashed you house prices, stolen your wealth, increased your colledge debt for a meaningless degree and moved a family of 20 mexican meth distributors into your neighbourhood doesn’t that make me an Alpha?
If I can do all this with political financial and mass media support what world are we living in?
All the earmarks of the Bible being correct… Satan is the current ruler of ‘this system of things’.
I’ll take a greater beta with fries, please.
That way you can maintain at least a little hand over your spouse. The minute he gets some game, he’ll jump to a lesser alpha.
But now he has potentially eighty-five more previous partners and is having two affairs. Nope, he needs to stay a greater beta.
Lucky for you, few greater betas are inquisitive enough nor ballsy enough to take on the transformation to an alpha.
This is the “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” debate of today’s manosphere.
A++
need more than abs for abstract logic
I generally agree with the argument that having kids it not necessarily alpha.
but have a look at this guy. http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/02/12/the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-living-alone/man-i-need-a-good-cuddle
from what he writes he sounds like your poster child beta. yet he is a founder, investor, and has two sons from two wives. one can’t deny that he is in alpha territory and his sons increase his alpha.
Why don’t you do a post – or maybe point people towards a past post if you’ve done one – as to what exactly an “alpha male” is. As I understand it, even wolf culture is a bit more nuanced than just alpha-beta.
What if an alpha male is sitting at a table of babes, and Dr. Muscles walks in, puts his hand in the alpha male’s face and pushes him backwards onto the floor. To the tittle and twitter of the girls there. And then Dr. Muscles says, “Get the fuck out”.
Is he still an alpha male? Can an alpha male win every fight (in that case – he doesn’t exist with modern weaponry and conspiracy possibilities). Is it just confidence in *certain* situations? Part-time alpha males depending on the circumstances?
I would REALLY appreciate a definition, because I think “alpha males” are kind of like the “Patriarchy” in stupid feminist theory.
“Why don’t you do a post – or maybe point people towards a past post if you’ve done one – as to what exactly an “alpha male” is”
Re-read H’s post. 4th paragraph, 2nd line.
It’s situational. In hard times, as well as in the long term, those with the ability to produce and defend are alpha. In temporary degenerate dystopias, parasitic assholes are.
well, yeah, you get what you reward people for doing. Here, we pay people to have kids. The only people this appeals to is the stupid and lazy because the monetary incentives aren’t that great (and, truth be told, the effort required to qualify is quite low)
watch Cool Hand Luke.
I dont think you understand the nature of violence. Muscles do not make a powerrful man. The most successful Karate instructor I ever fought with was a really small guy, but he had an agression (combined with skill) that was off the scale. He was a true Alpha (also very calm/cool). Alphas will always fight. THere is a lot of stuff on how this works on Martiat Arts sites. Read up.
Not sure what is so hard about the simple concept that life style is not limited by the female selection process. Men in the west still can hardly pull off real polygamy while in other parts of the world they can. Has nothing to do with the alphatude but also with conditions and sentiment. It takes hard work to be with multiple women. If he can bed attractive women when he chooses, he is alpha.
Agreed.
“It takes hard work to be with multiple women.”
I would omit the ‘hard’ qualifier, or…maybe it should be underlined.
Grossly overlooked by younger and novice seduction artists, Beta and Omega men, is that there is a work component to maintain a robust rotation of sexual options with attractive women.
If he can bed attractive women when he chooses, he is alpha.
Look at the contradictions two posts apart. John Dark says that “alphas will always fight”. They kick ass. That’s what an alpha is to him.
Ripp thinks that a man who can bed attractive women when he chooses is an alpha.
Well, which one is it? Or is it that all men who can always bed attractive women are simultaneously the best fighters and the best leaders and the smartest guys?
Is that really what you people are claiming?
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/
Carefully read the opening paragraph and therein lies your answer.
Achieving mastery in business, martial arts, wicker basket weaving- or all three does not by itself attract and seduce beautiful women; not alpha.
A masterful seduction artist who consistently beds beautiful women, is alpha. And it is likely (but not dependent upon) this alpha has other traits he is exceptional at: wicker basket weaving, making money, jujitsu, pooping, etc.
Given current times and referencing the link above I have to disagree with John Dark: It’s likely that a skilled fighter may give off an alpha-like scent and on its own this provides more OPPORTUNITIES with attractive women, then say, a basket weaver. Yet the fighter skill set doesn’t automatically = competence with bedding beautiful women.
Caveat: A FAMOUS fighter. And his FAME, is his seduction and will yield tons of puss.
“Ripp thinks”
Ripp knows.
The closest definition I can think up is “someone who projects a lot of confidence and does whatever it is that women are instinctually looking for in a very situation and context-specific way”.
Which doesn’t mean a whole lot – it boils down to doing what instinctually turns women on in situations in which you can get away with it.
I welcome a better definition (but realistic pul-leeze: no single man is an alpha male all the time).
Sorry, cross-posted with chi-town.
What bothers me about the “alpha” moniker:
1) Co-opting all of these other things that have nothing to do with what you are really describing (ability to pick up chicks), like good fighting ability, good leadership ability, good business ability and all the rest.
2) Doofballs saying things like “pure alphas like me … do this or that”. Napoleon Dynamite style. Jimmy Walker Dyn-o-mite style. Mostly braggarts like that are all surface.
3) I know for sure that women’s tastes vary – one woman’s ultra-alpha is another woman’s laugh number. Moronic women are impressed by a Chevy Camaro, muscle shirt and loud, drunken bullying on the part of her “alpha male”. Other women may think “loser”. I can think that about any guy playing any “alpha” role, no matter how high up the hierarchy the “alpha” appears to be, which means that the concept is also much more situation-dependent than is acknowledged.
There is indeed a situational component, and I think he should apply his formidable powers of analysis to that. The Jersey Shore douchebag who ropes ‘em in down at the club won’t cause many tingles among the editorettes in Manhattan who all fantasize about getting banged by Michael Chabon. Meanwhile down the road in DC a pudgy White House staffer can simply point, nod, and bang.
You’re so right about #3. The cultural items that women prize do vary from female to female: gals ain’t as monolithic as this site sometimes suggests.
IMO, the only things they do all agree on are 1) a strong body and 2) for the man to be somehow more capable, in some area, than they are. That area varies from woman to woman based on personal taste, family upbringing, socioeconomic class, etc.
“Pete Campbell is slowly morphing into Don Draper, but he’ll never make it. He’s too try-hard.” (Tweet)
Mad Men as a series will end when Don Draper jumps out of his office window as seen on the opening credits. The show’s hidden theme is supposed to be the “fall of the White man” (A Jewish fantasy). Dick “White-man” will jump from his window when his past catches up to him and he can’t run from it anymore. Mad Men fans will be “astonished” that this ending was “hidden in plain sight” as White gentile pathologies are supposed to be, according to the creator (Weiner) and his 7 kabbalistic sorceress writers.
nice
I saw parts of a few episodes the other day and noticed that unusual intro. Interesting analysis. The ultimate drop out.
id love to read more of this regarding hollywood
So, what is the point of the alpha point if not to have kids? You’d think that the bitches are hooking up with an allegedly superior man in an attempt to have superior kids. That may be true but don’t forget that women are social creatures who crave status and power. They may be in it (i.e., the sexy time) not for the kid creation, but to be associated with a man of higher stature, to thereby increase their perceive social standing.
Like Monica bragged about getting presidential knee pads not because she wanted Chelsea Part Deux but because she had an empty hole in her soul that blowing a president would fill.
Maybe KingA will or has wrote about this, but marriage and kids are bonds between two people in love, not just strangers getting off.
Uncle Sambo subsidizes all births in or out of marriage. So it’s really unalpha. I should get subsidized every time I wear a condom for all the bastards and tardettes I don’t procreate.
“If he can bed attractive women when he chooses, he is alpha.”
Almost.
If he can bed attractive women, who are free to choose, when he chooses, he is alpha.
I can extend this to yareally-esque proportions:
If he can bed attractive women, who are free to choose, when he chooses, no matter the size of his wallet, the definition of his abs, the style of his hair (or lack of hair), and the cleanness of his clothes, he is a fucking alpha.
So the Ottoman Sultan = “not alpha” because his harem isn’t free to choose. Please try again.
that’s right. an accident of birth wouldn’t render an otherwise ordinary male an alpha. those women in the harem had no choice.
That completely misses the point. Take Genghis Khan then. If Genghis Khan isn’t “alpha” because his consorts didn’t have “choice,” then the definition of “alpha” here is simply stupid and has no useful meaning.
genghis khan was the sui generis badass,coming up from nowhere. _that’s_ what rendered him alpha and enabled him to impregnate willing or unwilling women in that very violent era.
the sultan, OTOH, was appointed as heir apparent when his father was alive. now perhaps the father was looking for leadership qualities in his sons and used that as the basis for his choice, but not necessarily. he may have been swayed by other, less worthy considerations (the intrigues of his concubines and eunuchs) resulted in a very non-alpha sultanate. there were incompetent sultans whose mothers, the sultana, ran the show behind the scenes.
None of that matters in the slightest as it relates to female choice. Female choice is irrelevant to ‘alphaness.’ As you have implicitly admitted. Thank you.
I agree with Carolyn. Female choice is the best measure of alphaness. It isn’t perfect, but it’s the best measure I can think of. We are very intuitive at detecting who is the dominant male.
[heartiste: and not just any old female choice; HOT female choice. just look for the man enjoying the company of beautiful women. there’s your alpha.]
Just like men can pick up on even the subtlest signs of female aging, women are equally attuned to signals of male dominance.
Evolution defines who is alpha. You can bed as many women as you want, but if you are sterile, so you are an evolutionary dead-end, a failure. A video-game and porn addict who donated his sperm and had unknown children is better than you, under Nature´s judgement.
Beauty, will to achieve status and attractive personality traits are evolution forged tools designed to make your swimmers fecundate more and better eggs. But these are not the only tools, there are many others. Beta game sometime work. Paying for sex works too. What strategy is better? Who´s going to judge it?
If it´s nature judging, so this guy is an Apex Alpha:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2126761/Bertold-Wiesner-British-scientist-fathered-600-children-donating-sperm-fertility-clinic.html
PUAs using birth control are “swimming from Europe do America and drowning at the beach” in an evolutionary POV. They are failing.
This discussion will end at: “What is the goal of life?”
Is it hedonism? Be a good man and have a two kids family? Contribute to science, philosophy?
Nature´s answer: just spread your fucking genes, anyway.
Which alphas can do outside the feminist matrix where many governments don’t force men to pay much child support.
Tru dat.
Respek.
LagUna Beach Fogey
I’m drunk.
And I don’t really give a shit.
I thought be anti-game was about Alphahood being natural and game is for decent Betas to emulate an Alpha. In other it allows some Betas to put their best feet forward and get some of what the Alphas get all the time. Hence game is not meant for lesser Betas and Om3gas.
The cruel truth lurking in the background is that a man will often need years to go by before settling out his feelings about having sired and supported some kids. I mean, it all depends. If your daughter becomes a cum-slurping, drug-addicted, psycho-bitch streetcorner whore that cannot reliably remember your name when you go to bail her out yet again from custody – then you will love her unconditionally but you will still feel like a fool in more ways than one.
On the other hand, what if she was more or less the opposite of that; and in fact had gone from being a stunningly attractive teenaged violin progidy to being a first name friend with a lot of the kind of folks who never need to go thru customs at airports. If you want to get addicted to something, that is a good place to start.
It is kind of cool to want/need to lower the level of her publicity.
Or if you were a Thorough Breed Stud. (ie, a lucky male Horse) and one of your sprogs got named by the silly humans who did the horse naming — Secretariat — Who won by 31 lengths at the Belmont Stakes for the triple crown-… why…
Hell Yes That Is My Boy…
Definition of alpha all depends on where you’re at – at the time.
Many modern alphas would be picking berries with the girlies in the neoltihic and many anthropologic alphas today, are lifers doing solitary in prison.
Either way – Alpha: You know it
when you see it.
Amen. Good point.
I think the debate over the definition of “alpha” causes so much commotion because it touches upon some of the deepest philosophical questions mankind has to wrestle with…
What makes one man superior to another?
Who is the “best” man?
The answer to the these questions have profound implications for how one should live his life. They help guide one in determining how to use the precious, finite moments of consciousnesses he has to spend before returning to the void.
I doubt notions of superiority have use those days as a result of division of labor. Alphas are simply more apt to lead. Whether they know where they lead is another topic.
Kinda makes you want to believe in God, doesn’t it.
If my assessment of Chateau’s definition of alpha is correct (and correct me if I am wrong) then whoever is most “alpha” is whoever is banging the greatest number and highest quality of willing females in a given situation at a given point of time. Full stop.
It has nothing to do with virtue, honor, benefit to civilizations or any of the many metrics men use to judge each other.
Understandably this pussy-centric definition doesn’t sit well with many. It is perceived as saying that an alcoholic thug biker with a sleeve tattoo and a rotation of bar sluts is “better” than the hardworking beta scientist with a chubby wife.
I don’t think the Chateau is trying to state that the biker is “better”, merely that he is getting better and more pussy and is therefore the alpha. He is not necessarily more virtuous, honorable or more of a benefactor to civilization, he’s just getting more snatch.
Make of it what you will.
Note to busy readers: One efficient way to filter out unintelligent commenters is to quickly note their inability to understand CH’s definition of alpha, no matter how clearly he defines it, or links to it, etc. The comments here, for this post, are an excellent illustration.
Heartiste is starting to see the pointlessness of hedonism. This insincere entry shows it. I bet he will be pushing a pram with Mini-Heartiste in it next year.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2141312/Is-worlds-biggest-wedding-gown-An-800lb-bride-NINE-foot-waist-measured-ahead-big-day.html
I don’t advise clicking to look at the pictures unless you’re of strong stomach.
“For some, having a wedding dress custom-made is a luxury, but for Susanne Eman it is the only way she will be sure her gown fits. The morbidly obese Arizona mother who is hoping to set a world record for being the fattest human, is busy planning her wedding to chef, Parker Clack, and the dress needs to cover all 800 pounds of her.
The monumental challenge of making a dress this size has been given to seamstress Judy Goff who calculated the amount of fabric needed during an interview with Inside Edition. ‘Okay, we have about 15 feet here and we need 45 feet, so about three times this amount to complete her dress,’ she said.
While Ms Goff sets about preparing for her job, Ms Eman has her own goal for the big day: not to be deterred from reaching her target weight of 1,600lbs by the time she is 41 or 42. That means that Ms Eman will continue eating 30,000 calories a day that her husband gladly cooks and feeds her.
The larger than life unemployed bride-to-be told Inside Edition: ‘Oh, he’s wonderful. He loves to cook. That helps out. His food is soooo good.’ The day of her appointment with the seamstress, Ms Eman and her sister Cassie made a pit stop for snacks and arrived at Ms Goff’s with a spread of three guacamole bacon cheeseburgers, two orders of chili cheese fries, nine tacos, a chocolate shake and a large Coke. That is just a small portion of the daily diet that has given her a waist size of 107.5 inches, or, nine, staggering feet.
‘I’m feeling like a bride. I can’t wait,’ she gushed. ‘I like an off-whitish, not completely white. Because if I wear completely white, I guarantee I’m going to spill something on it.’”
Bonus: more post-wall Lindsay.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2142151/Face-Lindsay-thats-good-look-Lohan-looks-older-years-puffy-pillow-face-big-brows-blotchy-fake-tan.html
what people won’t do to get on the teevee.
Interestingly, men of the lower classes, because they are prone to forego or misuse contraceptives as befits their constricted time horizons, can more readily be categorized as beta or alpha based on how many children they sire with roaming single moms.”””””
In the lowest rungs in the “hood” they have litters and nobody knows
who daddy is. Like mice and shit fucking nuts.
This is, really, the great advantage that boffing smart chicks offers to men: worry-free sex. Sparkling conversation is just icing on the cake.””””’
riiiigghhhtttttttt that smart chick is gonna be the one taking you to the cleaners later cause all she knows is what feminism 101 taught her he he he
Interestingly, men of the lower classes, because they are prone to forego or misuse contraceptives as befits their constricted time horizons, can more readily be categorized as beta or alpha based on how many children they sire with roaming single moms. ”””’
in the hood though they have litters so nobody really knows who the hell the dad is on the really low rungs like mice or some shit
No matter whether its true or not as to who is the greater alpha, high quality men need to reproduce with high quality women or we will make this idiocracy far worse than it already is.
True dat. Personally I hope condom splits.
OT:
More women dropping out of the labor force. I’ve long thought that these economic times will be bringing women back to men to be provided for (as women hold the jobs that are the least needed in these times). Question is, will men want to provide for them? I somehow doubt it for a great many of them.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/324000-women-dropped-out-labor-force-last-two-months-number-women-not-labor-force-hits
I love Heartiste for his discussion of feminism and man/woman relations, but when it comes to his take in children he is like the Shakers. The Shakers practiced celibacy and lo and behold they went extinct. Now they are just a historical curiosity for advocating something so obviously dead-end. Heartiste will be thought of the same way. No matter how passionately you might advocate not having children, the future will belong to those who have children. There’s nothing you can do about it, it’s inevitable. Heartiste doesn’t seem to have taken his Darwinism all the way to realize that values have survival value as well and are in competition with others and so some will continue to exist and some, like not having valuing having children, are destined to die out.
[heartiste: you’re absolutely right. the future will belong to those who have kids. but then, i’m not going to be around in that future. neither are any of us.]
“the future will belong to those who have kids”
No, it belongs to the kids, not those who have them.
Here Anon and Heartiste showcase the infamous individualism and rejection of tribalism which threaten to wipe out the West. Snap out of it or perish, Whitey.
I don’t reject tribalism. Tribalism is nowhere to be found.
Let’s get back to the old patriarchal way and I will start caring about whitey.
Until then, whitey can fuck himself, he dug his own grave.
CH is determined to live the next decade inside the feminist matrix where impregnating a woman would make him a slave of the government and the woman. However, there are alphas reading this who will be impregnating women outside the matrix where child support payments are voluntary as they should be.
You all are missing the point. Democracy has eaten her children.. Have some faith this madness is not self sustaining…
Some of the posters above are too funny.
The “real” definition of “alpha” here seems to be how many women you’ve slept with. There’s even a little chart on a link above defining alphas. You’re super-duper if you’ve slept with more than 500.
So why not call it a “Pick-Up Master” 1st degree or something. Why this attempted tie-in with other qualities (just like the feminists do with “Patriarchy”).
When I was in colllege 30 years ago, a guy who slept with 500 women wasn’t an alpha male, but instead a “pig fucker”.
In any case, your expanded-definition of alpha male is a master of martial arts, a true leader of men, a real Gary Getaround in bed and superior in everyway to the various degrees of beta.
Does this guy really exist? What if he gets his ass kicked in front of the people he’s bragging to about being alpha? Does that mean he’s now beta, or is it once alpha always alpha?
Do you alphas have a secret-handshake or decoder ring?
I’m dead serious: What if an “alpha” gets his ass handed to him twenty ways to Sunday in front of all the people to whom he is explaining his utter alphaness?
What if he is just shut down like a little weasle?
Never happens to alphas? What if one alpha gets into a fight with another? Are they both invulnerable (like Superman)? Is it always a draw? Why aren’t all of you alphas the world heavyweight boxing champs?
You not only failed to catch the definition of alpha but you seem to resent the guys who get laid often and seem to want to see violence done to them. No a pig chaser’s unattractive conquests wouldn’t count. There’s nothing necessarily alpha about being a braggart (a man’s desire to have sex has nothing to do with any desire to talk about it) and whether one gets beaten up, such as by white knighters, may have little to do with whether he is alpha or not.
A better scenario of an “alpha being put in his place” would be when I saw a guy gain entrance to an exclusive club (I was inside the club looking out a window). As the velvet rope was open for him, he turned back to a teen girl lounging on a car and motioned for her to share his access. She shook her head no. He walked away from the open rope to her and tried to cajole her into at least entering the club with him. He tried for a whole minute but she had no interest in entering the club with him. So he turned back to the rope but the face control refused to reopen it for him. He had now proven himself to be a “beta male”, however temporarily, and unworthy of getting into the club because he had tried and failed to get the hot teen to come in with him.
He was mad as hell at the bouncers. I can imagine he swore at the girl as he turned back to the rope, which made him look bad to everyone. I couldn’t hear what he said but the bouncers were likely not impressed with the technique.
it happens oh well every man should take a beatdown once at least otherwise he might get to thinking he really is superman
This is, really, the great advantage that boffing smart chicks offers to men: worry-free sex. Sparkling conversation is just icing on the cake.
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when you get smart 22 year olds with options who want to marry you and have kids, that’s alpha. When they want to bang you and have no serious intent, it makes you an undercompensated gigolo.
[heartiste: spoken like a woman. now, i will explain to you what really goes through men’s heads: “she wants to marry me and have kids? fuck. stall! run! abort!” vs “she wants to fuck around and have fun while taking the pill so i can raw dog her? it’s my lucky day!” fact: it’s alpha when a chick gives it up for a man with no requirement that he invest in her. hth.]
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Banging a sexy 22 year-old is its own reward.
If she wants to get hitched, she likely sees you as the safe provider beta(whom she wants to cuckold with the guy that she has “no serious intent” with)
Right, because men hate to be used for sex.
when i tell the chick for the umpteenth time i don’t want to fuck her just suck my cock yea i don’t want to be used for sex lol
i’ve always been like that though i don’t fuck every chick
Stop the presses. The Washington Post just did an 11 page hit piece claiming, among other things, that Romney broke up with a girl in high school by not calling her!!
What a jerk!
He’s finished now with the womyn’s vote.
4 more years. 4 more years.