Rivelino explains,
GAME is all the techniques and strategies to get better with women, including negging, cold reading, push pull, frame control, but also self improvement topics like working out, better posture, career development. the RED PILL, in contrast, is the deeper understanding that women are not sugar and spice and everything nice, that they in fact have a strong need to be sexually overwhelmed and dominated, that they are fundamentally emotional and childlike, that their concept of truth is not the same as that of men, and that their core nature is not to be loyal. the red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are, not as we want them to be.
That’s about as clear and succinct a definition of the two value systems as I’ve read anywhere.
There is, of course, plenty of overlap between Game and Red Pill. It has to be, because the Red Pill is the child of its father, Game. Game came first and opened possibilities to explore human dynamics in a new and fresh way. In fact, the Game “worldview” predated the exact same Red Pill worldview. Most of the well-known and well-regarded Game tactics are grounded in Red Pillian (or, for you true old skoolers, evo psych-ian) theories about female nature. These theories received a thorough working-out in the field (see the old fastseduction.com forums for testimonials from tens of thousands of men over the past decade or two), and the experimental process was efficient at sorting the successful seduction strategies from all the competing hypotheses.
Not to butter my own whole grain bread, but I believe with oh-so-innocent earnestness that it was Le Chateau that first made the connection between Game and the wider culture.
[…] The Difference Between Game And The Red Pill […]
It would be interesting to see a history of Game and Red Pill developments with dates and major accomplishments/discoveries. I started on the journey myself in the mid 80s when I made up my own rudimentary version of Ladder Theory. I wonder if that is were most Red Pill-ers start?
Once you’ve tasted the red pill you see the truth everywhere. There’s lots of red pill in, say, Shakespeare, as well as in writings as ancient as the Bible.
Regarding “the red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are” – what about those of us who see and understand “they are fundamentally emotional and childlike, that their concept of truth is not the same as that of men, and that their core nature is not to be loyal” and find these characteristics completely unloveable and utterly contemptible?
Aberration of nature, editing itself out of the gene pool? I still hope not.
> “and that their core nature is not to be loyal”
Somewhere there’s some video of Fuchs News anchorette Megyn Kelly bragging about how she ditched her husband because “I decided that I deserved better” or some such cuntish shiznat. But my Ju-Tube-Fu doesn’t seem to be up to the task of finding that clip.
I found it – MeGyno Kelly calls it “settling for more”:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/10/07/watch-megyn-kelly-settling-more-fortune-magazines-most-powerful-women-summit
Kelly’s confidence is palpable; she is also secure in her second marriage, to novelist Douglas Brunt, a former Internet-security entrepreneur. They met in 2006, after she joined Fox and divorced her first husband—two moves, she says, that were not unrelated. “Once I found professional happiness, it gave me time to think about other areas in my life in which I wasn’t happy. The next obvious candidate for introspection was my marriage.” http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/megyn-kelly-interview-0213
Translation: I’m the beta bux now, time to dump you for some alpha fux.
Yeah but on the other hand that’s a TV personality, of course they’re going to be narcissistic and selfish.
“fundamentally emotional and childlike” are not always bad characteristics–They help moderate the exaggerated dependence on linear reason-or what appears to be reason to men who become deranged.
Women commit many fewer murders, one could argue because blowing someone’s brains out just doesn’t have that aesthetic appeal.
Their childlike side helps men let go of their diligent sometimes obsessive pursuits and enjoy life and be recreated.
And women seem to have stayed away from the logic-gone-bad that obsessed world-class assholes like Mao and Hitler with bizarre twisted “logic” that killed millions.
Mao for instance, thought everyone should be producing steel in China, so he mandated a “furnace in every backyard” idea, when people were starving.
Obviously the economy of scale necessary to do this is not at the household level, so many people died.
No woman in history has managed to murder as many as Stalin, Hitler or Mao.
“No woman in history has managed to murder as many as Stalin, Hitler or Mao.”
Women kill 250.000 babies a year, in the UK alone.
Yeah they’re the yin to our yang or however the fuck that goes. There’s a middle ground between the P.C. women are perfect and the ‘red pill’ women are evil beliefs and I think that’s where the truth is.
The biggest lie pushed by the establishment is that men and women are not fundamentally different in nature due to biology. I think a lot of MRAs might be bitter because they refuse to let go of all their liberal baggage and are looking for women to be like men with vaginas.
their core nature is not to be loyal
I think that the explanation is excellent, except for the above quote. I have known some women who truly loved their man and seemed to be indeed loyal in both their hearts and their deeds. They occasionally felt lust for other men, but that that just shows they are human. Are you sure that men tend to be more loyal, in relationships, than women, when the women truly love?
Think of loyalty in these terms:
If the ship sinks…more than likely they are the first off it.
Some will stay on the ship…but it takes divine intervention for a woman to get there.
JasonF, your own knowledge of said women does not disprove the lack of loyalty amongst womankind. I’d wager in nearly all of those instances the man was, in fact, the cause of and truly deserving of such love and loyalty.
said another way: MY girl’s love and fidelity is ultimately MY responsibility.
> “MY girl’s love and fidelity is ultimately MY responsibility”
Or her father’s responsibility. A young girl without a strong father in her life is a professional sex worker and an attempted suicide just waiting to happen.
I’ve had more than a few male so-called friends betray me. Most guys will be your bro until you start doing better in life than them in some way. Then they’ll hate on you on the downlow.
Both are the next step is the sexual arms race. Women had the leg up on us for a good 20-30 years, maybe longer. I wonder, without the ability to share information privately over internet, would so many men have ever caught up and figured out their hypergamous nature? It’s worth pondering.
“The red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are, not as we want them to be.”
I wouldn’t go THAT far, but bashing women and their dark natures is simply another way of pedestalizing them and distracting oneself from the real issue: if you want access to that pussy, you gotta do the work. It’s not supposed to be easy. You can lie and cheat your way into that world for a little while, but to get really good with women you have to realize that they are perfect just the way they are. If you’re being excluded from pussy-land, there’s a reason.
“I wonder, without the ability to share information privately over internet, would so many men have ever caught up and figured out their hypergamous nature?”
Abso-fucking-lutely NOT! There is no way this game/red pill knowledge would have spread without the www.
I would have literally *killed* for this information 20-30 yrs ago..
“Abso-fucking-lutely NOT! There is no way this game/red pill knowledge would have spread without the www. ”
There’s a good reason why the “Feminine Mystique” began to lose its allure and men began to crack the girlcode right around the same time all those pesky little AOL discs began appearing in the mailbox 4-5 times per week.
The screech and “handshake” of the 2400 baud modem was the sound of a very tiny Alpha Natural yelling redpill truths from deep inside the young interweb.
After being the beta nice guy got my heart broken year ago, I got turned onto Game & have been working my way through as many red pill/manosphere sites as I can find.
It looks like a lot of them follow the same path that the Chateau has blazed: A lot of Game & Seduction info in the beginning, followed by a growing emphasis on Race (HBD) & Politics (Cultural Marxism) later.
That progression pretty much mirrors my own intellectual journey into the Dark Enlightenment, too. Once I realized that I had been lied to about women my whole life, it seemed natural to explore what else I had been lied to about.
Short answer: Everything.
I like this response. About the same for me. Especially the HBD stuff and how I was raised on lies about race. That diversity is strength, we are all the same, and we can all live together peacefully regardless of the inherent differences between races and their associated cultures.
I was talking to a very old friend a few weeks ago. The subject of race came up. He made a comment about how Babe Ruth wouldn’t have been shit if blacks had been in baseball at the time. Probably a true statement…
Later in the night, the subject of race and IQ came up, and he brought out the whole lie of “Race is a purely social construct” and all the liberal academia nonsense. I quickly reminded him that he had just posited the genetic superiority of blacks as athletes just an hour ago. How is that any different from recognizing the intellectual superiority of Jews/Asians/etc.
He had nothing. He continued to defend the lie of egalitarianism/equalism. I was tired of it at this point, and just told him to do his own due diligence, the data has been around for 60+ years and you are free to believe whatever lies he wants to…
The thing about my friend is that he is actually a very smart person, so he actually DID do the research. He came to me a week later and basically said I had opened his eyes to the realities of race. I guess I popped his red pill cherry.
also, just to ass one more point… How can these blue-pill types throw around lines like “diversity is strength,” while at the same time telling everyone how there is no differences between races. Don’t these contradict each other? I mean, if we’re all the same, then there can’t be any significant diversity right
I guess logic doesn’t work too well for them when it contradicts their worldview.
lol ADD one more point
nice! btw you’re using the same monika as mine! no dramas man, just stating a funny coincidence 😉
“Once I realized that I had been lied to about women my whole life, it seemed natural to explore what else I had been lied to about.Short answer: Everything”
Amen, and well said. It’s all of a piece.
Once I realized that I had been lied to about women my whole life, it seemed natural to explore what else I had been lied to about.
Short answer: Everything.
This is a great summary. The rabbit hole goes deep.
Short answer: Everything.””””’
yea word every fucking thing its actually amazing
whats more amazing people want to be lied to
The ‘red pill’ if you will has always been around…you can find all these truths throughout the Bible. Today’s gentlemen has been brainwashed by the modern culture to forget how things really are.
Better to live on a corner of the roof
than share a house with a quarrelsome wife.
– Proverbs 21:9
‘Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.’
“The ‘red pill’ if you will has always been around…you can find all these truths throughout the Bible. Today’s gentlemen has been brainwashed by the modern culture to forget how things really are.”
Exactly right. The only reason we needed Game and Red Pill is because the “civilized” model lulled us into complacency. Ask any man from a third world country about women and you’ll find that Game theory and red pill are like the ABCs to them. Too obvious to be worth mentioning.
In some ways, Game and Red Pill are a typical reaction from a fanatic culture that swings wildly between extremes.
ah fastseduction. i didn’t even realize the domain was something else til just now. the 101 guide was still worthwhile for people just starting out, at least to make the transition from “that would never work” to “wow i can’t believe this works” no idea where i’m going to get a concise guide to palmreading ever again
*salute*
Another RedPill alert. Yes, it is time to “teach women not to cheat”.
Please write to Ryan R. Gibney, 1473 Sweetwater Way, Pottstown PA 19464.
Tell him to take his testicles out of his wife’s purse.
She (Iris A. Gibson, 42) was just arrested by local officers for having sex with a 17-year old football player from the high school where her daughter is a cheerleader.
In the car that Ryan gave to Iris.
You could call him at home – – 610.970.1144
Or, you could call Iris’ boss at Victoria’s Secret of King of Prussia Mall. Not sure if it’s (610) 337-4829 or if it’s (610) 337-0788
At all costs, we want to counsel Ryan to ===not=== allow this woman to get away with this moral crime.
Oaktree
“The ‘red pill’ if you will has always been around…you can find all these truths throughout the Bible.
————————————————————————————–
Indeed, the first record of red pill was in Genisis when Satan used game to bang out Eve in the Garden of Eden; that nonsense about the apple tree is just a proxy for something far worse.
Eve got pregnant with the devils spawn and when Cain was born, Adam became the worlds first cuckhold.
Thwack
Yup, it’s a planet of the apes xmas.
“it was Le Chateau that first made the connection between Game and the wider culture.”
Indisputably.
This is in effect a synthesis of paleoconservative political insights with Camille Paglia’s articulation of human sexual nature.
As I mused recently ‘game posts, politics post… can there be one without the other?’
PA: “Indisputably.”
That’s right. Not only made it first, but made it best.
CH, I read you mentioned the forums.
In Game Acceleration Doctrine 2.0, Sinn described them as completely unverifiable and hence unreliable.
What’s your opinion?
By the way, I’m interested: have you read Otto Weininger’s book “Sex an Character”, and if so, what’s your take on it?
In my own life (over 300 bangs) as a practitioner of Game I can say with no reservation that it was Mystery who stands as our Moses…a man who woke up and delivered the Truth to his brothers. Heartiste is a different figure. Like Ender’s brother, he is changing the world with words.
Yeah, Mystery was the one who synthesized evo-psych with pragmatic technique. Academics would have been crucified.
It’s the “love and appreciate them as they are” that I don’t get. How can you “love and appreciate” a being so evil?
Sexually dominating a childlike being is just gross.
You say that like it’s a bad thing. ( Of course the “being” is 18+ here.)
No
Women are completely loyal to a man that arouses them. They are only disloyal to men who seek loyalty justifed by their own loyalty. Janay Rice and Rhianna are loyal women. Plenty of bored housewives who are not.
It’s not about any logical system of justice. It’s about how they feel, justified or not.
“They are only disloyal to men who seek loyalty justifed by their own loyalty.”
exactly. women can be very loyal but just like respect, loyalty is not something you can expect or demand from anyone. it is something that must be earned.
“It’s not about any logical system of justice. It’s about how they feel, justified or not.”
I agree that women tend not to share the “logical system of justice” that makes sense to the male, particularly the white male, mind. For those that seek justice from woman I say, “Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.” Virtually nothing which the male assumes would weigh heavily on the scales of justice matter so much as a whit, which has left many a man stunned and shell shocked.
But there is a logic to hypergamy, and therefore a certain method to female madness. Once you see the patterns, it makes a (disillusioning) kind of sense.
Of course, there are women out there with genuinely good hearts, who defy the pattern. They seem to be relatively few, and their existence is harder to explain. Call it a miracle, or an act of god.
Yeah, it’s not about any logical system of justice. Let’s see, what’s the biggest injustice? Murder! And who does that more, men or women….
Hmmm…. back to the drawing board….
God, are you stupid.
Men being more violent than women doesn’t prove that women have a stronger sense of justice. It just proves they’re more aggressive.
Men are more principled, while women are more likely to hamster their way out of situations.
Rubbish. Red Pill, thus defined, is just a nonsense. Great writers of yore, from Euripides and Shakespeare to Tolstoy and Stendhal, knew better than this cartoon and all you guys should learn from them & from real life, not just your petty grievances. Sure, women should not be idealized (although even that didn’t end up bad for Dante.) But, to claim they’re “childlike and emotional” is nonsense- most people are dumb & childlike, not just women. Women are MORE emotional; many of them are not very sexual beings at all (motherhood or sometimes carer are more important than sex); tell to Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi or Margaret Thatcher they’re “childlike”; tell to Decembrists’ wives (Russia 1825.) they’re disloyal. This part, i.e., the definition of “Red Pill” is SOB- Standard Operational Bullshit.
The French women who had children with the German occupiers care to differ.
1. a small sample 2. most of them were forced to prostitute themselves in order to obtain food, just to survive. Not much of an argument.
From Trainspotter:
“But there is a logic to hypergamy, and therefore a certain method to female madness. Once you see the patterns, it makes a (disillusioning) kind of sense.”
I would add that there is a morality to it also. If you believe that compassion and biological fitness are intertwined, then female hypergamy is a way of weeding out the weak before they’ve even been created.
It’s only disillusioning if were counting on it being handed to you on a platter, like government assistance. Lol.
Female hypergamy is also what makes romance and love possible. Without it, every woman is a mercenary prostitute.
Every woman IS a mercenary prostitute. Doesn’t mean that you can’t enjoy them though.
You have it backwards, Heartiste. The Red Pill has always pre-dated Game.
For starters, look at scientific studies covering women’s “strategic pluralism”, the “koinophilia effect”, and the “lek paradox.”
Either way, I firmly believe that the red pill will always outweigh in importance compared to game. That’s simply because where game can falter, the red pill can explain. So it’s best to think of the red pill as a concrete foundation and game as your castle.
I prefer the GREEN PILL.
Make that green/red hybrid, actually. JIDF pys-ops are clever, sometimes.
Dang, I wondered why it was that I hadn’t emitted any healing energy recently. I just checked, and my chakras were damn near a foot ‘n’ a half outta alignment! All of ‘em!
I sure kicked them back into position.
” well aligned chakras causes him to emit healing energy”
Loooolllzzzzzzolzzzzzzzzz
but what else expect from an idiot calling himself Alex Jones SuperFan
” who compensates for lack of personal success by identifying with success of his face”
Poor clown are you the best that your masters came up with?
How many sheckels one have to pay for such an skillful and eloquent propagandist?
“Delusions of persecution”
“delusions”
wat?
PUA = Game + Red Pill.
I look at it like all we (PUAs) cared about was what worked to get laid and we figured out (through trial and error and through linking stuff like evo-psych and self-help and studying Naturals etc.) just enough of the Red Pill to get the jist of why our shit was working but our primary focus was poon.
The Manosphere and Red Pill communities have just taken what PUA figured out and analyzed it deeper to help explain the concepts in a more “new guy who doesn’t want to swallow the pill”-digestible way and linking scientific studies and shit to back it all up (we didn’t care about that, we knew this shit wouldn’t be acceptable or studied for years and all the proof of it working was out in-field every day if you wanted proof). Basically Manosphere/Red Pill communities have been confirming our shit and making it more palatable to a wider audience who don’t want to go the full hardcore PUA route.
That’s why I roll my eyes when Manosphere and Red Pill people shit on PUAs/RSD/Mystery. It just shows how the new generation has no idea where the shit they’re learning came from. That’s like me shitting on someone for eating cake, talking about how disgusting cake is and how pathetic people who eat cake are, when I’m eating a cupcake which is basically just a smaller cake with fancy icing on top to make it more appealing to a wider audience. Dumbest thing I see and it makes me lol and shake my head everytime. “Those PUAs are retarded, they don’t even GET laid! Check out my new Red Pill/Manosphere article on (insert concept taken directly from PUA but re-worded, or figured out from field experience and labelled as a new revelation when it’s actually a concept fully explained in early PUA teachings that could’ve saved them some time and energy if they had actually read them)”
I mean, at the end of the day I don’t care that much. I only point it out for the sake of accurately documenting history because I was there from basically the start (before there was a Manosphere or Red Pill or MGTOW community) and have watched this all go down.
I’m just happy this shit has reached a lot of dudes, whether it’s thru the Manophere, the Red Pill community, MGTOWs, MRAs, PUAs, GamerGate, UVA false rape case, fuck it it’s ALL good. The important thing to me is that men are waking up and seeing the Matrix for the first time en masse and rejecting the chains society has previously wrapped them in.
It’s a fucking beautiful sight that I never thought I’d live to see.
Merry Christmas, all. May the new year bring you all the hot young poon you desire lol
> “The Manosphere and Red Pill communities have just taken what PUA figured out and analyzed it deeper to help explain the concepts in a more “new guy who doesn’t want to swallow the pill”-digestible way and linking scientific studies and shit to back it all up”
Wolves are better than dogs at COUNTING: Wild canines identify the number of items more often than their domesticated cousins http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2883974/Wolves-better-dogs-COUNTING-Wild-canines-identify-number-items-domesticated-cousins.html
Wolf == Alpha
Domesticated Dog == Beta
Manosphere where romance is concerned is PUA for people who don’t want to be associated with alternative subcultures.
That’s why I think you get the hatred for the traditional PUA spaces is because it’s filled with the freak/weirdo/alt crowd and the bro/jock/mainstreamey types have never much liked that crowd.
It’s jocks vs the nerds/freaks all over again.
It makes sense if you factor in the ever encroaching wave of pure feminism. The outcasts are going to feel the sting first and the hardest so they are going to be first come up with solutions. So while scrawny introverted nerd/creative types were coming up short, the jocks/frat boys were doing ok.
However, this started to change and then even the frat boys were going through dry spells and started to search for some answers. The problem arises when these guys ran into people that they viewed as strange degenerates were the only ones giving the real advice on the public sphere.
Naturally, they don’t want to be anywhere near people they deemed where losers but they still needed the help and thus a gap in the market appeared. Enter the manosphere. Gives advice in the form that is conducive to a broader audience.
Now we have game advice packaged in more traditional manly communication surrounded by guy hobbies like weight lifting and making money, and of course politics. This makes the game advice go down easier. It’s like hiding medicine in food for somebody that isn’t enthusiastic about taking it.
In my experience lately, the War on Boys has so effectively neutered the overwhelming majority of young men these days [teens through about mid-thirties] that if you simply walk up to a girl and say “Hi!”, then she’ll sleep with you [because it’s been so long since a boy has even talked to her that she’ll fuck anything* which shows some signs of masculinity]. Point being that most fellows nowadays, who came up through the scorched-earth anti-White anti-male pogroms of the Edumakshun Industrial Complex, are so gun-shy that they can’t even summon up the courage to say “Hi!” to a girl.
*Which could go a long way towards explaining the pandemic of mudsharkery.
yareally, not that your ego needs it, but most of the folks at this blog don’t realize what they’d lose if you stopped posting. keep ignoring the do-nothing, know-nothing clowns. i, for one, really preesh the real talk, brah.
I don’t know if CH will read this but there’s a world of material here! Boys becoming girls, girls becoming boys, “assigned female at birth”, what sort of fucking politically neutered phrase is that?
http://www.refinery29.com/2014/12/79896/shiloh-john-jolie-pitt-name-change
the difference between game and the redpill:
good looking guys find the redpill and decide to talk to women ==> get laid
ugly faggots mentally masturbating and spending their lives commenting on manosphere websites before going MGOTW find the redpill and just end up complaining about feminism and how it’s women’s fault that they aren’t getting laid
THAT’S THE FUCKIGN DIFFERENCE
GET IT IN YOUR HEAD YOU FUCKING LOSERS AND SJWs
DARWINISM: IT’S JUST SO FUCKING SIMPLE
and if you aren’t good looking and still getting laid, you are still a fucking beta, because your woman would rather fuck your good looking best friend while sucking off your resources and attention
THAT’S THE FUCKING REDPILL
Which lunatic asylum cannot account for your presence tonight?
obviously, there had to be the homosexual comment against me just because he’s an ugly fucker hoping to get laid after years of “gaming” and banging uglies lol.
Sadly, I’m legit, and you are fucked. Either go full MGTOW and start banging escorts or just accept your beta provider role and use some awkward “text game” with lots of bullshit while reading average females just playing you and eventually bedding them. Then feel the ego boost that will get you addicted and make you get even more pathetic and needy.
From the feed.
SJW: Using the word “retards” to describe people is not a good thing to do. Your language detracts from your argument.
Nassim Taleb: Fuck off
Awesome.
loved that. i was reading danger and play (twitter feed? blog? i don’t recall) the other day (for the first time), and i read a great point about simply saying NO when you don’t want to do something. same principle as above. bullshit doesn’t deserve anything beyond “no” and “fuck off”
NNT said “FO” in public?
NNT be da man!!!
Merry freakin’ Christmas!
krauser’s cheerful misogyny definition is, to me, one of the high points in manosphere writing. it’s the culmination of true red pill thinking.
“Cheerful misogyny. You love women but don’t take them seriously. This is more than just the attraction phase teasing. You genuinely believe women are more like dogs or children, meaning they are a delight when well-lead and a nightmare when left ill-disciplined without a pack leader. It’s empathetic but not weak or equalist.”
http://krauserpua.com/2012/09/12/deep-conversion/
“Game came first”
No, it’s just that nobody bothered to read Schopenhauer.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_Women
Some people claim that he only wrote that because of his terrible relationships with women. *ahem*
That Krauser quotation is gold.
“Will you give the reins to their intractable nature, and then expect that themselves should set bounds to their licentiousness, and without your interference? This is the smallest of the injunctions laid on them by usage or the laws, all which women bear with impatience: they long for either liberty—nay, to speak the truth, not for liberty, but for unbounded freedom in every particular; for what will they not attempt if they now come off victorious? … Suffer them once to arrive at an equality with you, and they will from that moment become your superiors.”
–Cato the Elder, oration in support of the Lex Oppia, 215 B.C.
Red pill knowledge has been around for a long time, but history is cyclical, so the truth is “forgotten” periodically, then has to be rediscovered.
Iris Gibney’s Christmas-Eve present to her husband Ryan was…. a phone call from a bail-bondsman, asking Ryan if he would sign a $50,000 lien on his house…. to spring his wife out of jail after she was arrested for sexting, sending nudes to, and giving a blowjob to – a 17-year old.
Ryan did. We need to educate this guy.
Game will get you killed if you have not swallowed down the red pill/ed.
“Game will get you killed if you have not swallowed down the red pill/ed.”
That’s a very good point. Perhaps you can teach a guy to attract girls, but what is he getting? Or more to the point, what is he getting himself into?
Game without the bigger picture is much like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. If that’s all you’re teaching a guy, are you really doing him any favors?
yea rum I think you right or at the very least in jail
either way lol deal with enough bitches one gonna kill you
course we talkin bout woman so yea have you killed
merry Christmas chateau
dropped my chick off at a gas station this morning told her get me a dr pepper and left but she found her way back then dropped her somewhere else I need nice relaxing xmas he he he