Horror is a woman’s secret id revealed. Unenlightened men recoil, and even the women who allow the full expression of their deepest feelings are revolted by the specter of their own fallen desire.
I am severely chafed by my gentle, compassionate boyfriend.
I feel sick just writing this, and I don’t want to lose something good, so here goes:
I’m a 34-year-old single mother of a beautiful, sweet, and healthy three-year-old boy. I never imagined having kids, but accidentally became pregnant three months into a destructive relationship. I kept the child and eventually got rid of the man (with the help of a domestic violence counselor and a restraining order), which was a healthy decision.
You see, healthy decisions are not my forte. With a few exceptions, I usually date the damaged bad boy, the alcoholic who needs rescuing, or the tortured artist. I scrapped all that when I had my son, and haven’t dated since removing baby daddy from my life 2 years ago. Until recently.
Five months ago, I met a man at my sister’s wedding (one of the groomsmen), and we connected. Talked all night, laughing like crazy, connected. We hugged briefly at the end of the evening and we both felt it was worth pursuing. He lives 1400 miles away from me, and we began an email correspondence, sharing our relationship history, likes and dislikes, and getting to know each other. We have a lot in common. We fell in love. We made plans for him to relocate to my city and move in together. We decided all this before spending a great deal of physical time with each other. He’s visited once a month for the past five months, and the trips have gone from elated, nervous excitedness to awkward arguing and annoyance. He is sensitive, kind, attentive, and doting. He is so very patient and loving with my child. Because of these traits, I find myself feeling less attracted to him physically. He seems meek. It is truly something sick. I have a hard time looking at him on occasion, because every little quiver, every timid step, every noise he makes while eating makes my skin crawl. He follows me around and paws at me. He is far less experienced than I am in the bedroom, and yet I do not know how to let him know what I like, because he is not keeping up with me in that department.
I don’t have a lot going on, aside from an unsatisfying job, my son, and my love of animals. I don’t have the financial resources to pursue hobbies or interests, and this man offers stability. I love him, but I’m not sure why I’m so uncontrollably moody around him, and why he has turned me off. He is so gentle—the gentle man I always thought I wanted, because underneath it all I’m gentle, too—but I’m pushing away and I don’t know if I love myself enough to make this work. I have tried talking to him about this and he just apologizes and says he feels out of his element. He picks up on my annoyance which makes him feel uncomfortable, which triggers a neediness, which I find unattractive. I don’t want my son to have a bad boy for a father figure, but I don’t want to resent my lover over petty things. Are these petty things? Is love about being able to be annoyed by someone, and loving them anyway? I tell myself that I have a good man—and I don’t want to lose him—but how can I really snap out of this? I feel terrible, ungrateful, and confused.
A woman is as viscerally repulsed by a sensitive niceguy as a man is by a fat woman. If you want to know what a woman feels when a niceguy dotes on her in needy supplication, just remember how you feel when you see a land whale bend over in short shorts to pick up a donut crumb. The stimuli are different, but the disgust reflex is the same. And the reflex serves the same underlying reproductive purpose in both sexes: to avoid contamination of the egg with inferior sperm, and to avoid fertilizing and investing resources in inferior eggs.
Most women aren’t capable of this sort of self-reflection, and with good reason; if women had to grapple with their malignant sexual natures on a regular basis, they might very well go crazy. Or crazier than they already are. From an evolutionary perspective, mental stopgaps (aka the hamster) that block access to understanding of primal limbic impulses is a useful adaptation for ensuring women capitalize when the superior seed of self-driven, aloof, challenging, emotionally distant and often unkind men is available to them.
If you are a gentle, compassionate niceguy… a man of God…, a woman will become, inexplicably to you, cranky and moody if she’s in a relationship with you. You will be confused and wonder why she won’t listen to reason about all the good you do for her, and then you will blame her for your pain, unless you are an emasculated quasi-man, in which case you’ll direct the blame upon yourself. And through all the emotional ups and downs, the turmoil that is out of your control to manage, the cold sexlessness that feeds your spiraling resentment and unfocused rage, the microinsults that pile higher atop your wounded dignity with every increasingly despairing day together, the misplaced guilt that poisons your soul… through all that punishment, punishment that on some days will seem less bearable than the acute pain of physical torture, one demonic truth pulsates at the center of the chaos:
She has as little power over her feelings as you do.
But there is redemption, persecuted niceguy. You just have to know where to look.
Shorter version: Women HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE Beta Males.
So don’t ever EVER be beta.
You’re so right Whiskey, women also HATE HATE HATE HATE white men because they are boring, meek, and lifeless in bed
There I said it, and im right
AW SHIT MY Comments are ALL in moderation, I need to get my message out there, hurry the fuck up
LOL Live-Evil must be pissed because of the repulsed looks women give him when they see his disgusting swarthy skin and ape-like features.
The problem with propagandizing the fact that “chicks despise niceguys” along with “chicks dig sociopaths” over and over and over is that your average student comes to see those two extremes as binary options rather than opposite poles between which a golden mean must be found.
The omega overreaction in the comments to this link shows how easily the frustrated nerd herd can be spooked into stampede, a year after publication:
http://thoughtcatalog.com/natalie-platt/2012/10/an-open-letter-to-nice-guys/
Now, since official culture has gone all to the one side, it’s tempting to think we are the balancing factor that rights the equation. But that idea doesn’t come through in most manosphere writing; nobody even seems aware of the need for balance. In fact, I’d wager your thinking is so muddled that you don’t imagine balance is needed, only shock tactics from the margins.
Matt
No, I’m not a nice guy. I used to be. That guy is gone, and he isn’t coming back. Women like my ex and Natalie killed him. They’re killing more and more guys like him every day. And they’re creating more and more guys like me. I’m reminded of the old saying “Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.”
I lol’d at this comment. This guy thinks he’s won some victory by debasing himself.
How is he debasing himself? He probably means “I am not going to be stupid any more and will be more strategic in the future.” In my own case, I stopped being so nice unless the woman earned it. Then everything’s natural.
Scray you’re confusing me, I thought you would fully agree with what I just wrote.
Because he’s trying to “get revenge.” He has yet to just accept the world for what it is — he feels “wronged.” He has yet to just a) take accountability and b) separate his ‘niceness’ from his ‘being a pussy.’ You can be nice, you can be good, etc. and get girls. Just don’t be a pussy.
Just read his story. He’s writing it to proclaim that yes, indeed justice is coming.
I do agree with what you wrote, tho. People should earn your specific favors. But if you’re just a naturally nice and good person — that’s good! If you are that way and outcome independent, the puss will roll your way. And ultimately, you will do better in your relationships than the “asshole” who also is outcome independent.
Oh really, Matthew? You left that site too soon. She pleads for tolerance and time, but her tribe can only dry heave for so long. CH’s audit was even more appropriate for the post a few days later…
http://thoughtcatalog.com/samantha-walters/2013/12/how-to-break-a-heart-in-96-easy-steps/
Written like a rambling, drunken, six-part, 4am voice-mail, which every man should be blessed to receive at least once in his life. I curse myself for not figuring out a way to permanently keep them.
At the end of it, his SMV has gone up and hers has gone down. When he stops crying this he’ll realize this and do at least as well or better next time. She’ll eat a lot of tomato soup.
You play it into something that you can keep, like a voice recorder or the mic on your computer.
If your phone has headphones, you can get a cable at any audio/electronics seller to take the audio out and convert it into mic in so you don’t lose quality.
I know it’s too late for you, but there should be a few people on this thread who are saving a voicemail or six that they’d hate to lose.
What do you mean Matthew, she deserved all the ridiculs. She even knows she’s dating the wrong guys but the “nice guys” are supposed to put up with it? Even nice guys can sometimes dig up that much self respect.
They’re not omegas. They are learning. They are on the road to alpha if they want it. Why does it make you uncomfortable?
I once read about wolves being re-introduced to a small island off one of the coasts. What the scientists observed surprised them. Contrary to what television has told us the wolves did not coexist with the game animals, taking only what they needed to live. The wolves fed until they drove the elk to near extinction, and only the strongest and fittest survived. The survivors were so strong that the wolves could no longer take game, and they starved to near extinction while the elk grew numerous. The whole cycle then repeated itself. I suppose that is a balance in a sense, but not the peaceful zen kind. There is only the pendulum favoring first one side and then the next.
This should be taught to boys in every sex ed class. May cause the burning of Rome to capitulate, but for the Phoenix of a New West to arise it must happen.
I was thinking the same thing. This needs to be information that you don’t have to dig up in dark corners of the Internet.
You can spoil your girl rotten as long as you…white knight for her?
Nah, he said he had impregnated her with his son. And the other guy wanted to fuck her too, is that right?
That’s not white knighting.
Wrong. He was bragging because his woman was rising up to his standards, and the other guy (beta) was pissed off because he was being denied access to women.
Best you can say, if you read the book, is that Khal Drogo’s wife tamed him a bit by learning the art of love so he’d accept impregnating her instead of fucking her in the ass every night.
Beta make up 99% of society. I’m one, you are too most probably
I don’t know if I ever was really a nice guy, but I played that role in a relationship once. Of course, after a while, she broke it off, but wanted to stay friends. I gave it a shot in the hope of rekindling what we had during the summer we dated. Long story short, I ended up visiting her at college during Thanksgiving and found a note she had written to a friend describing how unbelievably attracted she had become to some dude who had spent time undercover investigating neo-Nazis. Her prior boyfriend had been a 40-year old artist (she was 19 at the time), so she definitely had a thing for bad boys. I still look back on finding that note as one of the greatest strokes of luck in my life.
BTW, you want to talk about a feminist, this chick was a socialist-feminist-communist-pacifist-vegan-dont-shave-my-legs-pot-smoking loon who thought every type of male except the kind who had her politics should be kept down for the good of society, so even an extremist SWPL (before the term was even a gleam in anyone’s eye) like her could not resist jerks.
Yet another revealing anecdote. This site is a treasure trove for them. The veneer of the ‘fairer sex’ is really slipping
I always wonder how they keep those things coexisting in their heads: carnal attraction to the bad boy and intellectual condemnation of bad boy behavior.
And a wish to reorganize society and change men according to the feminist ideology. Turn every man into a sissy.
We can’t let them do this. For their own good.
“Nice Guys Don’t Get Laid”
Not so, “nice guys” will get laid, reason being women know if she is not throwing some his way, he’ll leave and take the provisioning and support with him. Then the faux love stuff and co habitation begins.etc.
As the article states though, she was doing this for reasons that did not revolve around her placing a high value on the Nice Guy personally and in a sexually way, but for keeping the lights on and a roof over her and the boys head.
Even that runs out of energy as the emotional neediness kicks in, that dude is probably thinking things are going great, that is the Nice Guys fatal flaw. Not understanding the female nature and “how could she do this to me after as “good” as I’ve been to her and little Tommy”..it’s a rather common situation for the Nice Guy who gets some pussy thrown his way.
Nice guys get missionary position once or twice a month, provided they’ve been good little slaves.
As he stumbles to the bathroom to remove the condom she forced him to wear and urinate, he could never imagine her shithead asshole druggie ex fuckbuddy would take that same post coital piss inside her as makeshift birth control, and she loved every drop of it.
Nice guys get second-hand goods, and then not even the second-hand goods want the nice guys.
Yep, this is a classic “Nice Guy” trap, and probably not talked about enough in the manosphere. When that scarcity of poon is ended by the single mom, it is not a sign of “game” it is a sign (or can be) a sign that single mom has lined you up like a field goal kicker. She sounds sexually aggressive when that meets scarcity of pussy the nice guy then falls into a white knight frame and picks up another man’s burden if he goes LTR.
Like the FG kicker in American Football, sooner or later the boot will be placed to the backside and out you go. Hypergamy at work.
Sure, we nice guys get laid; it just takes some bad boy to set the hook.
“NIce guys don’t finish nice”
The guy may or may not have a problem but this whackjob woman sure as hell does.
That’s really the problem too. So many women have no value beyond their vaginas.
Did you ever expect a woman to be anything else without the right cultural framework to control her?
A mule that isn’t hitched to a plow, minus the blinders and a man to control it’s path, is just a directionless jackass.
A mule that isn’t hitched to a plow, minus the blinders and a man to control it’s path, is just a directionless jackass.
Is that original? +1 quotable. Like something a dad tells his son before his first date.
“So Dad, you’re saying that it is better to be adventurous than cautious, because fortune is a woman, and if you wish to keep her under it is necessary to beat and ill-use her; and it is seen that she allows herself to be mastered by the adventurous rather than by those who go to work more coldly, and that fortune is, therefore, always, woman-like, a lover of young men, because they are less cautious, more violent, and with more audacity command her?”
Welling up with pride: “You will do just fine, son.”
… And aren’t you essentially saying that it is all the man’s fault? I wholeheartedly agree.
I don’t understand the MRA MGTOW whinery when what they’re moaning about to each other, in their cry-circle) is their own inability to Tame The Cunt™ (Frank T.J. Mackey Productions, All Rights Reserved).
Matt
See, now a good bit of the poor lurkers are getting some of your wisdom, Matt.
I was reading it to myself saying “come on you brilliant bastard, two point words all the way to the end…they need what’s in your head.”
If we’re talking about an actual mule, one that isn’t hitched to a plow, etc. is just a free, happy mule.
That would depend on the gender of the “mule” in question.
He has the problem if he stays. He should get a woman without another man’s child attached.
Or tell her to give it up for adoption. That’s anti-nice.
No. The guy has a problem. He’s too weak and accomodating.
I see cats in her future…
Lol yeah, i am actually an actress in Mexico and i don’t like much nice guys either : ) .
As a non-nice guy, I have a love-hate relationship with them. I love that they are such pussies it is easy to walk all over them, but I hate them for the same reason. Nietzsche said that the hardest part of his philosophy was accepting the fact that the ‘last man’ would also recur eternally alongside the Ubermensch.
There’s really nothing more that needs to be said on the matter, except perhaps taking Nietzsche’s comment that “What is falling needs to be pushed” and applying it to nice guys, which actually seems like what women are starting to do, so kudos to them for that.
You seem like a really nice guy.
That’s because you don’t know me in real life. If you did, you’d know that I’d kill my own mother, under certain circumstances.
As a non-nice guy, I …
Nietzsche said that the hardest part of his philosophy was accepting the fact that the ‘last man’ would also recur eternally alongside the Ubermensch.
Everyone thinks he’s the Übermensch after skimming Nietzsche. “Hey, he just described me to a T!”
Just like every professor of philosophy is a philosopher, every doggerelist is a poet, and every player who reads PUA blogs is alpha.
Der letzte Mensch is not the equivalent of “niceguy.”
…and every fatass who wanders around aimlessly for two hours at the gym believes they’re Stalone as they nearly choke to death on the combination of protein shake and smug.
Will to Power…lift.
And every chick who believes in reincarnation was Cleopatra or Joan d’Arc.
Lol yeah, i am actually an actress in Mexico and i don’t like much nice guys either : ) .
I imagine you don’t meet too many during the intermission to your donkey act.
Well done.
(takes a bow)
Heh, heh… proud feminist, but a Mexican actress.
I’m guess the casting couch south of the border makes even Hollywood’s ooJ’s blush.
I’ll certainly be wearing a condom.
Lame. I’m an astronaut/fighter pilot/porn star.
who let you away from the donkey show long enough to steal a computer?
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Rape!
I want to ram it in your butt.
Can’t wait till you meet a group of “Obama’s sons” in a back alley when you’re drunk and they can teach you the true meaning of diversity.
Rape!
I also see either an emasculated male or a thugspawn who grows up to hate his mother in the future.
This chick literally sees this guy once a month and she’s done with him. HA!
Would be ironic if she kept seeing him during her period, when the attraction to alphas is even higher than the rest of the month.
No, dumbass. Women are more attracted to Alpha/badboys during ovulation, i.e. 14 days before/after her period.
During her period in fact she is more likely to be attracted to Beta/niceguys (relatively).
And of course there is only one cure for her lack of love… rape!
My work with you is done, my son. Go and spread the word to Bill S. Preston, Esq., Rufus, and Death. Especially Death, that dude fucking rocked.
Well-fu**ing said. I was going to immediately call a Whorefinder-audible on this post as soon as I read it. Hah!
This poor guy is going to get fleeced, then cuckolded, then fleeced again, and all he’ll be left with is an empty wallet and a shriveled dick.
I know, we’re going to get the “NAWALT” cries, but here’s the way I see it: David killed Goliath; but that’s not the way to bet. The way to bet is that a huge majority of women are like this tart, and men should plan and act accordingly.
Yes, and Your “amazing and accomplished” female friends, faggy, are all like this.
BTW, which did you lie about: when you said that you had game or you said that you didn’t? Just checking which lie you’re going with today.
Rape!
WF: Perhaps I’d be interested if you posted your childish insults under your real name, like a man, instead of hiding behind a silly pseudonym which is, I’m guessing, about as pseudo as the rest of you. Stick to your silly fantasies, little man. I’m not interested in talking to you.
lmao. Welcome to the internet! I know that old, decrepit liars like yourself have an inability to grasp the new fangled technology. I sincerely find it humorous that an old sackless 1970s musician is pretending he-man like abilities and chivalry.
Now, explain again which lie you are going with today.
Rape!
Whorefinder isn’t difficult to find.
He’s that hairy fellow sitting in the dumpster behind your work by your car, with one of those 4 hour Viagra erections, the kind you’re going to need a doctor for after he’s done.
Viagra, nothing. It’s cocaine I snort straight off my 10 foot dick.
Rape!
And Kim du Twat isn’t a pseudonym?
You just know Kim Jong Un reads CH…
He was already cuckolded going into the relationship, since she had some other guy’s bastard spawn.
And child support payment for spawn that aren’t his.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NAWALT
Had to look it up.
Thought that maybe it might mean something like, “Not Anything Walter White would ever do.”
RIP, WW.
RIP.
The spotlight can’t be centered on this theme enough. It’s the undeniable basic truth that punches nice guy betas square in the gut (or the balls) and causes us to retch the blue pill and reach for the red pill.
PS: I’ve been that guy.
I try to be a nice guy but for some reason chicks don’t buy it?
Even my turquoise jewelry and daft punk has no effect?
Hey thwack, I met your mother the other day. Who knew that Bumqueesha could take that many negro-cocks while shooting for the series “When Animals Mate in Gangbangs”?
No rape for Bumqueesha. You can’t rape the willing.
Hey, man… get off the mothers.
I got off yours an hour ago.
Your momma’s so fat she’s on BOTH sides of your family.
Whorefinders mom has AIDs. Now you can go hang out with lake rs
> “BOTH sides of your family”
Speaking of shit which you shouldn’t joke about – have you guys seen this story?
Why inbreeding is bad
http://www.unz.com/gnxp/why-inbreeding-is-bad/
WARNING: Not for the faint of heart.
Why inbreeding is bad
Maybe we should inform the muzzies?
…………….nahhhh
The inbreeders were abos. See paragraph 151 of the report.
anonYmous, your momma slept with thwack AND Sweetheart Jason.
Burn!
My mom also slept with all of the Chicago Bears in 1969… Whats your point. heh
Also, the Greatest Try-Hard is now known as Mission Man.
Really? Thanks for the update, broski!
If its a Becky she doesn’t want you to be. She wants to be ravaged by ni66a dick and get straight thug-lifed to make up for her SWPL white guilt. You know the drill…
The chick seems too self-aware. I suspect that site is being trolled by a red-pill insurgent.
@Robard
No, I’ve heard many girls I’ve been banging say this….
But, there have been posts in other blogs written about the difference between “alpha” and “jerk”…
I heard these things from my ex-gf who I had been banging hard then pulled back when she started pulling back and giving me drama:
“I want a guy who will take care of me…”
Me: I’m you’re lover not your brother….
This dynamic, the “I want a guy who will take care of me…” from a girl I was pounding hard is the classic logic/emotion dynamic….
To interfere with this now would be counter-productive. A girl’s imagination is your most powerful game tool.
Possible.
She may also be a negro-woman who let her guard down and bought into a non-negro-man relationship…and now is upset he doesn’t beat her like her brothers do. Then again, the kinds of humans who date black women are either whiggers or else real wusses (DiBlasio) who are totaly committed to their left-wing religion.
Heck, if she’s a mudshark, that would explain it—she hooked up with her first non-savage in years. Bet the guy has been proudly showing pictures of the little mulatto niglet to all his friends: “I’m not a racist!”
Are you implying that everyone who’s more than a single step above chimps in the evolutionary scale acts like that needy pussy-man?
No.
There is plenty of vital non-black male heterosexuality out there–modern P.C. dogma’s goal is to stamp it out.
Considering the ugliness, lack of intelligence, lack of feminine qualities, and crass behavior of 99% of black women, there are only two types of non-black men who will seek them out: whigger-types and the absolute bottom-of-the-barrel p.c. dogmatists. They force their hard-ons for these black she-bitches by screaming “racist” at their penises. Both types of men are so self-loathing that their patheticness is obvious.
Non-supplicating non-black men (i.e. dominant, virile men, and betas with some ounce of self -respect left) do not bother with black women, because they like themselves too much to want to mate with ugly subhumans they have no attraction towards. Sure, they may grab a hard-on for an exception –a Stacey Dash, a Tyra Banks (note that both have non-black features and play them up)– but for a non-black male, 99% of the black female population is as undesirable to mate with as another man or a dog would be.
The penis is racist, ladies.
Well now you’re making sense. LOL
You have to admit, though, maybe 8 times out of 10 a black man will be more alpha than a white. Black men are more used to beating up their women, beating up other dudes, raping both sexes, surviving by any means necessary, cussing, arguing, all that shit my N!gga
That’s a very visceral type of alpha maleness that pretty everyone is equally repulsed by and attracted to at the same time, regardless of what culture they come from. Most women can use their powers of rational self-control to avoid mating with black men, but the allure is always there.
Not really. The Bushqueens all screw the same 5% of the negro population and the rest of you are on the DL. It makes the transition to and from prison easier.
FWIW I personally have found your typical black alpha to be cowardly if confronted while on his own. Contemptible types really.
Not really. It’s a myth perpetuated by the media that black men are all super alphas. The truth is that the ones that are in the cage are still no more alpha than white dudes, despite their numbers advantage. The black community has all sorts of slang about their vast numbers of beta males: Simpin, cupcakin, trickin etc. They might try to put on front, but most are complete pussies.
Racism is defined as a belief, but the penis is not a sentient being thus not capable of having beliefs and is not even able to be aware that it would have beliefs ( or prejudices or preferences).
Thus I absolve our penises of racism accusations!
They all purple on the inside.
The penis shows emotions, the same as a pussy does. A man has to let himself hear his mind, as the woman is being controlled by her pussy.
Relatively better decision making ability than the other has is a key to getting what you want from an adversarial (i.e. social) relationship.
The penis is racist, ladies.
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No its not, never has been and never will be:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1306866/As-Hugh-Grant-hits-50-track-Divine-Brown–LA-hooker-wrecked-image-lost-Liz-Hurley.html
lmao. oh, poor little stepin fetchit, trying that black-based illogic that hasn’t built a single society on earth. Remember boy: “every man goes dumpster diving once in a while.”
1 example. U be tellin da wyte man.
For the record, I know one mulatto chick who is an absolute ANGEL of a human being.
And very, very easy on the eyes.
Woudln’t doubt it. As I said, Stacey Dash, Tyra Banks–and I’ll bet your friend has white features.
They are the 1%. No wonder porch monkeys hate the 1%.
Rape!
A case of the exception proving the rule?
I had no idea who Hugh Grant was but Im glad this incident occured because it reveals something significant about the nature of the white male/black female sexual arrangement; both parties often prefer it covert.
That being said, how many of you white guys here will go on record as having had sex with a black girl?
After all, isn’t it important to know what you are talking about?
Bumqueesha’s spawn is at his ignorance again:
I had no idea who Hugh Grant was
—this shows how insular, ignorant, and inbred black people are–and deliberately so. Hugh Grant had a massive Q rating at the time this happened; he was in big Hollywood productions and was featured above the title. Ad campaigns for films centered on him. Even if you’d never seen a film, if you had any awareness of reality at all, you would have realized
But no, Bumqueeshea’s turd dropping was too busy watching BET and talking about some 5th-rate pop tart and some lol-able black preacher with 500 followers to pick his head up out of the sand and just hear this guy’s name.
it reveals something significant about the nature of the white male/black female sexual arrangement; both parties often prefer it covert.
—or, it happens rarely and only when the white guy is so strung out that he’ll even fuck a wildebeast to get a thrill.
Poor son of Bumqueesha: he knows he’s subhuman, and his ladies are all ugly, dumb toads, but he’s in complete denial of this fact.
The Negro hamster is only beaten by the female hamster in this regard.
Rape!
If you’re dealing with an alpha widow like this, there’s nothing you can do but be alpha also. Bonus points if you deliver some sort of new experience — great sex, etc.
The guide is simple — find out what the last guy did to her and always bring yourself to the edge of doing that same thing. Yeah, I said it. If he cheated, you will mercilessly flirt with all women, indirectly drop hints at your vast sexual history, etc. If he was crazy, you also will be crazy — just roll off before there’s anything criminal lol. If you do all this and you deliver a new type of alpha behavior, she’ll be like any girl — worse probably actually. She will do anything for you; she’ll insist on buying you shit, etc. etc. etc. It’s pretty nuts.
“Bonus points if you deliver some sort of new experience — great sex, etc.”
Great sex…and calling her your favorite punching bag.
Fuck that…she worships what I am or she can hit the road. Why would you dance like a monkey to be like what you thought she liked in her ex? Save your machinations for your purpose in life, and pussy is not your purpose – it comes as a byproduct of vigorously pursuing your purpose.
Scray gets marks for a reactive solution – suggesting becoming a kind of chameleon to suit her needs. Zimbikilr’s frame is probably the healthier overall.
ya ok. be urself and shit when ur focused on ur purpose, cool. when u want to give her tingles, it helps to kno precisely how to give them. i like precision strikes, what can i say.
Vagina worship. That’s only one step above being a nice guy because you think that’s what vagina wants. Vagina wants to be along for the ride with a man who seizes what he wants, and it will dance for the privilege. With the world awash in emo femininity and manginas, it’s not rocket science.
winners figure out how best to win.
Money for nothin and yer chicks for free is best.
If you are alpha why would you wanna deal with a woman like that to begin with? If you are alpha and already dealing with her why would you wanna make such an effort to appease to her. She would beed to be the one having to prove her worth.
um….k? im just talking about the most efficient ways to DHV in a certain situ for maximum tingles. u can do wat u like tho
@YaReally
Just another update…so it’s our weekly social. I come to it dressed cool, sit in my spot and am wearing the belt my ex gf got me that I hated wearing when we were together. Somehow it now looks cool
She shows up…all smiley and bouncey. There’s an orbiter. I immediately blank her again and dance and game other girls.
The “alcohol” as you put it is there….I make eye contact.
Weird…and I’m not projecting here…I get this ‘invitation’ to ask her to dance….it’s subtle, but clear to me.
Then the smile fades and the energy drops…she’s now acting. I can tell it’s forced because when she sits down she looks over at me, I stare blankly through her, she looks away with a very neutral, blank look until some else engages her.
The “nice guy” theme here is that the orbiter who is clearly making an effort has flamed out. I see how she politely blows him off.
With me there’s a kind of frustration or longing in the eyes that I now stare through and then break and look away or at my drink before moving on to other girls.
Radio silence still. Hard…but your posts have helped me tremendously since that break in No Contact we discussed previously. It’s now 4 weeks. She didn’t buy a ticket to my New Year’s Eve party.
It’s sold out but I built in some buffer for out of town guests…YaReally….Do I invite her? IF yes, how? If no….ok
“YaReally….Do I invite her? IF yes, how?”
…are you SERIOUSLY asking this? Come on man lol
You shouldn’t even be going to these parties or letting her come to them and seeing her as it IS. But I get the impression these parties are a social obligation so I don’t harp on that.
The less she sees of you, the faster she gives up, the sooner you can let her come back. The more she sees you the longer it takes her to give up because she still gets a walawala fix (any news is good news) and thinks there’s still a chance, so the longer it is before you can let her come back.
So no, no New Years.
Also you should consider the possibility that you get off on drama lol like that you actually love this whole dramatic Dawson’s Creek love story you guys have going on. That’s not an insult or judgement, lots of people like drama (naturals often love the emotional rollercoasters which is part of why they treat girls shitty and secretly enjoy when girls are ms at them and fight and make-up sex etc). It’s just something you should be aware of for your own self-awareness because if you know you’re drawn to drama that can be something you need to take into consideration when you screen girls and establish relationships.
Like I love dramatic outgoing obnoxious/bitchy feminine girls that other guys couldn’t handle and I get bored with shy quiet ones, but I don’t like actual drama that affects my day to day life. So I have to screen for certain types of girls and allow a certain amount of drama and develop an extremely strong “oak tree” frame so that their drama doesn’t affect me. Before I got into game I thought I wanted the shy quiet girls, but this is something I’ve learned about myself and what I respond to.
So consider that you might be the type who secretly enjoys a little drama. That doesn’t change anything with this girl or the situation or how a Soft Next works, but it’s something to look back at your relationships and think about for your own sake
This whole thing would be over fast if you had a slightly crazy 18 year old chick with big boobs hanging on your arm. Bonus points if she is bi. Move on and quit torturing yourself.
@YaReally awesome. AnonYmous—yes. I think to put it into perspective on the outside, everything is normal. Inside I’m struggling. So i’m going to parties, meeting girls in different situations, practicing new things—”ellipsis game” is my contribution. But there’s this monkey on my back…. Normally I would be clear but this whole thing totally fucked with my head. Appreciate the support.
Polly’s epic response “advice,” is a blabbery about how she needs to accept the nice guy. How likely is this when she has even said herself that she was attracted to abusive deuchebags?
The response echos why game is so necessary in today’s (western) society. If that dude had just two ounces of game…hell, just a little mmsl, could be a different story for him.
@Keanu
Yes. Polly’s advice is counter-intuitive to relationships:
“”In my opinion, great relationships between smart, complicated people are only possible when total honesty is in the mix. You won’t accept this generous man in your life until you accept your own flaws enough to make them clear to him. You’re judgmental and fault-finding. So am I. But you value generosity and gentleness. And you’ll learn to tolerate neediness, even as it reminds you of yourself in ways that are uncomfortable.””
Right….women want to be with guys who remind them of their worst side…
Before I learned game…I would have bought this hook line and sinker: the “just hang in there” advice.
This dick head is going to get dumped on his ass…and fast.
As hard as it is for some of us to be dicks….it’s a skill we need to learn. Stop returning calls, stop being so available to bitches who don’t appreciate you, stop helping and for fuck’s sake stop being so understanding like a parent.
As I’ve said above to the girl I was with who started acting out “I’m you’re lover not your brother….”
This idea of “being taken care of” but then being totally turned off is one of THE BIGGEST LIES men have ever had to endure.
Sure, just “take care of her”….she’ll love you more… NOT!
“Sure, just “take care of her”….she’ll love you more… NOT!” Now if you replace the words “take care” with “Rape!” she will love you more. Rape, it’s the new red pill.
This comment seems like a false-flag operation from a feminasty. Because for an alpha rape is always wrong, and pointless.
A red-pill man has an abundance mindset because he has many options, and those options badly want him and his cock, and this means that he does not care about women who don’t want him, just forgets them and moves on to someone who wants to be taken by him.
What women love from confident, handsome, uncaring assholes is not rape, it is raw, selfish sex. For women “consent” does not mean “not violent” it means “with chemistry”, and for most when the tingle is spiced with brutality, that’s the best.
The comment seems lest feminist and more like a joke, unless there’s a hidden message.
Your mistake is deriving an ought from an is.
Morality may or may not play a role in the psychology of an alpha male. It is irrelevant, not part of the defining characteristic of alpha: dominance is the issue.
I would speculate, given the commonality of rape fantasies among women today, and from what I know about male psychology, rape was a reoccuring theme in our deep past.
With no other option, women evolved to like it.
Culture suppresses the expression of the pleasure they derive, albeit the pleasure itself being on a spectrum obviously.
I hope CH does a follow-up fisking Polly’s response to Annoyed.
It’s not clear that Polly’s dilemma is on par with Annoyed’s dilemma. The supposedly empathetic doubts Polly listed about her husband are superficial: an occasional speech twitch that seems unconscious on his part and a frenemy humble-brag about how her man dressed and cut his hair because (get this) “It’s criminal, almost, how you cover up your pretty looks”. Polly sounds like she was hypercritical about minor superficial details, which is a lesson in and of itself for betas, but was otherwise complimentary about her man’s character.
Polly’s husband sounds like a hipster, and as Gavin McInnes shows, hipsterdom is a style. In character, hipsters can be red-pill, positive masculine, too.
In contrast to Polly, Annoyed is repulsed by the core character of her nice guy. Not the same problem.
I gotta believe that the guy is pandering to her every want from what she says…when what he really needs is to skate right through this for what it is: a shit test.
If he had a clear purpose in life (purpose before girl, the golden rule) he wouldn’t have the time to pander to her.
But then again, who is psyched up to wife up a 34 year old with a young baby? Loser betas who don’t have a clear purpose in life, and thus seek to make the girl their purpose. Classic dream girl syndrome.
Agreed. I’ve been that guy. As Robard said upthread, Annoyed could be a troll just because her letter hit the markers of the red-pill conversion narrative so neatly. It’s like she used a Manosphere checklist to write her outline.
What this guy needs to do is read M3′s blog and go MGTOW for a while to center himself.
Insightfully said, Keanu.
Read the comment section:
Best: “Moral of the story: Bad pants = Dealbreaker.”
Chicks with major issues manufacture things they don’t like about any guy who displays any sort of serious interest in them.
The “bad pants”….right.
Important to note is the chick’s reasoning for leaving a nice guy bf.
1) “I need time to find myself”
2) “The spark isn’t there”
3) “I want to focus on my life right now and have so many things going on”
4) “Maybe we can be in a relationship again in the future”
If you have heard any of these as a reason for a breakup, then it’s 100% that she lost attraction to you. She either cannot articulate it or she can but doesn’t want to hurt your feelings.
“I have a lot going on right now.” Would be another one. Women always will make time for tingles.
oh lol you had that one hahahaha
Lol precisely.
Conversely, its cool to hear how a chick will rationalize your good qualities to her friends that don’t like you because you don’t treat her “good” as society demands it.
The million dollar question is why chicks think crazy mate guarding behavior is sexy, but at the same time, they believe that beta neediness is unsexy. They’re both just forms of insecurity/neediness.
Yeah, but I suppose that’s some element of an emotional roller-coaster or drama that they can latch onto. “Oh he’s such a brute, I can’t take him anywhere” to their BFFs, as they bask in being the centre of their little hen group’s attention.
I actually think I found my answer in young journeyman’s FR —
“‘Me : If my expectations aren’t clear enough then I’ll spit it right out.
Me : My expectation was to atleast get to know each other before we made any decisions. But if you don’t think you’re in the right state of mind for this then it’s ok.’”
Look, if you’re going to try and control a girl — you gotta do that shit hardcore. They will buck like crazy and you will have to fight to get them under your thumb to your satisfaction. So, a beta feels these impulses, but he fails to follow through….and the girl resents him for it even more.
It’s not you, it’s me.
So she “got rid” of the father of her child, but I’d bet he still writes a Child-support check every month.
Probably not; he probably has no funds or else refuses to pay. Only the beta-esque guys pay.
She is seeking his kindness and meekness as weakness. He needs to beat the living sh** out of someone in front of her.
He won’t do that, because he’ll believe “she will think I am too violent to be around her child.”
And then not only the woman, but her son too, will consider him uncool.
Misdirected– he needs to beat the shit out of HER. It, utlimately is what a completely broken chick like her craves.
Women HATE HATE HATE beta males
How do you fix that?
Be violent!
Slap up some hoes, do shit that scares them
Figuratively (or maybe literally) shit in their mouths
Beat up some dudes too, if you think you can win
Learn to enjoy violence and you’re own your way to getting shittons of pussy!
Then I get arrested for DV and can’t buy any guns anymore. I’m not happy owning just a stolen 9mm.
Over under on Polly cheating on her beta male husband?
She’s sucking my cock right now.
It seems that there are two kinds of id-driven women: ones who stay in love with their asshole alpha, and ones who only keep them around long enough to extract their fux (sperm).
“He lives 1400 miles away from me…” Chick is a beta male herself?
No, she gets her emotional validation from him while she gets alpha fux 1400 miles back home.
I’m a 34-year-old single mother of a beautiful, sweet, and healthy three-year-old boy. I never imagined having kids, but accidentally became pregnant three months into a destructive relationship. I kept the child and eventually got rid of the man
These are the least attractive sentences I’ve ever seen committed to print.
My scrotum has retracted so forcefully that it resembles the hard outer surface of a turtle shell.
Sex addicts should be forced to read this paragraph as a surefire way to kill all arousal.
I’m giving 3:1 odds that the ‘child’ is a mulatto.
Yes! CH posted that article.
There’s something else to note. The advice columnist who responded to this letter shared her own story of being disgusted by beta. And then wove a fascinating fantasy tale which casts the blame for this disgust on the alpha men who abused her in the past.
This is why women shouldn’t be let out of the kitchen. They wouldn’t mind anyway. They’ll fall madly in love with whoever keeps them in the kitchen.
I’ve often wondered if Stockholm Syndrome is more pronounced in women than men. I’m betting it wholeheartedly is, but that scientists refuse to record the data on it for fear of Pissing Off The Left who control their tenure, grants, and other university niceties.
In the context of a man capturing and controlling a woman, there’s a whole extra sexual element introduced to it.
Though it wouldn’t surprise me if women were more prone to Stockholm syndrome even when captured by women.
Women are programmed to be group oriented; whatever the group is doing will be what she wants (men are too, but to a distinctive lesser extent). So if the group is led by a lesbian who demands lesbian sex, then, by golly, she’ll acquiesce to it, even if it disgusts her.
What if the group demands that the women have sex with beta males who cry and say “I’m so sorry! This is my first time! Am I doing this right? I need your approval! I’m a feminist, by the way!”? See how conformist women are then!
Most women I’ve known are best kept as far away from kitchens as possible.
Also want to add that if more guys were actually “men of God,” then we’d be way better off. They’d be traditional, strong patriarchs. What we have today is the mega church man of God, because the golden rule of the mega church is the “Golden Rule.” We don’t want to scare anyone off right?
It seems to me like it comes from the attitude in the modern church that to get people to convert to Christianity, you have to appear “nice” (weak) and entirely welcoming of everything. After all, how could we dare judge people for anything?! Hence the beta tendency to accept all sorts of foul behavior from women. Reality is that Christianity (and betas) would be winning over converts (babes) if they balled up and took the moral high-ground (became assertive and non-apologetically masculine) .
Anything short of an apocalyptic social collapse won’t change anything. Lots of razing buildings to the ground and murder and wait for it… Rape!
“I’m a 34-year-old single mother of a beautiful, sweet, and healthy three-year-old boy.”
NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“I never imagined having kids, but accidentally became pregnant three months into a destructive relationship.’
“You see, healthy decisions are not my forte.”
Why is this woman still talking…get a muzzle!!!!
I always wonder if the left actually realizes that they themselves are the best argument one can make in favor of abortion; this is why abortion may never solidly banned; once you ban it, the number of leftists increase exponentially and demand baby killing on demand for their worthless fuckitry, and people who hate them comply, knowing it will cause them to disappear; but once they disappear, people forget their negative effects, and start believing all humanity is good, and ban abortion.
Its a vicious cycle.
Leftists don’t have kids. The men would just wrap their rascals two times and the women will take so much birth control they’ll grow facial hair.
Some do have them, but mostly to molest sexually and to turn them into mindless little drones.
The smart leftoids don’t, but the dumb ones do. Hence the warp-speed dysgenics among the leftoid (and black) population. Anybody else notice how much stupider leftoids have gotten since the 1960s?
I never imagined having kids either…but one time somebody pushed me from behind and my dick landed in a vagina over and over again. Weirdest thing.
I can’t want for feminists to push the idea of “accidental rape,” where they will claim that a man can rape a woman accidentally—not his conscious fault, but he should still be locked up for ever and castrated, unless he is sexy, in which case its ok.
I had a good lawyer… he got the charge reduced to tailgating.
He looked directly into my eyes……….eye rape!!!!
I know what he’s thinking…thought rape!
Anybody heard of the 6 year old boy who got suspended for “sexually harassing” a girl he had a crush on at school? I actually cant think of a more cruel thing than to totally fuck up a boy at that age with guilt regarding girls and his desires.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/11/living/6-year-old-suspended-kissing-girl/
I was 5 or 6 and during recess i made three girls show me their pussies. A teacher caught me with one of the girls, and i was so terrified of what was going to happen with my parents. Fortunately the teacher didnt say anything…but i’ve wondered at times if this young incident has tampered with my natural aggressiveness. Honestly if i ever see my child (theoretical child), or any other children doing this, i will smile and fuckin go about my business.
Reblogged this on ElderofZyklon’s Blog!.
I’ve been dating a chick for a while now but I want to keep my flirt game sharp, so I spar with random women, online and in ‘meat world,’ (as GE says) to avoid decay.
I’ll share this exchange with a chick from POF. I’d say she’s a 6.5-7. I’ll send CH the link to her profile and he can confirm or deny if he wants.
***
Me: You have a cyber crush on me. (No response)
Me: Surrender your number. (~24 hours later)
Her: I won’t lie your profile cracks me up
Me: *taking a bow* So, tell me more about yourself: your dreams, your ambitions, your aspirations, your telephone number.
Her: Lol you’re a little out of my age bracket. I did the whole date someone with a double digit age gap. Didn’t end too well
Me: gay
Her: Yup. Not sure I want to go down that road again.
Me: . . .
Her:?
Me: Perhaps you view yourself as a little girl, I don’t. Now, I like your look, but beauty is WAY too common in Miami. You seem like you might have character. (h/t: #7)
I’ll give you five words to explain why I should consider you for an interview.
Her: You need to do the convincing. (I stopped responding)
Her: You read my profile, I’ve made my case there. (I’ll probably respond to this Sunday night.)
***
For the record, I have no interest in actually fucking this girl — I mean I do, but I won’t — because I don’t want to cheat to my current girlfriend.
Its alot of over the top alpha posturing. This is common. Things like this become much more clear when you understand what leads to failure in this situation. She is framing you as the one pursuing her, and while the “gay” and the ellipses don’t play into her frame, they dont exactly reframe either. ALot of what should be said becomes clear when you realize that that the name of the game is avoiding her frames, and reframing in a way that benefits you. In short, ignoring her attempts to qualify you, and instead qualifying her. The more subtle, the better.
“Her: Lol you’re a little out of my age bracket. I did the whole date someone with a double digit age gap. Didn’t end too well”
**you: ‘Let me guess he died during sex.”
“her hahahah noooo blah blah blah”
She liked your response and she’s just putting up a bit of resistance. A chance for you to get her tingles going, by reframing, and showing control over the conversation.
Plus when the “gay” fell flat you started saying that she might have character and all that. My opinion is that you’re using the right alpha spirit but you just havent grasped when and how to use it. This took me awhile to understand. Realize that pretty much every girl even down to the fugs will, by default, position themselves as the ones judging your worth. If you let them do so, you become invisible to them. Time to fight back. In the sense that you stop being willing to play along, and instead you shake off their self righteousness and start fucking with her sense of entitlement. Its like clockwork, the way they respond positively.
Its most effective when you can really smoothly hijack the frame, and slither into the role of her being just a silly girl you’re schooling.
Realize that pretty much every girl even down to the fugs will, by default, position themselves as the ones judging your worth. If you let them do so, you become invisible to them. Time to fight back. In the sense that you stop being willing to play along, and instead you shake off their self righteousness and start fucking with her sense of entitlement. Its like clockwork, the way they respond positively.”
“She is framing you as the one pursuing her, and while the “gay” and the ellipses don’t play into her frame, they dont exactly reframe either. ALot of what should be said becomes clear when you realize that that the name of the game is avoiding her frames, and reframing in a way that benefits you. In short, ignoring her attempts to qualify you, and instead qualifying her. The more subtle, the better.”
Read it over and over and over and over until it sinks in, lurkers.
Your profile cracks me up…
I have a big glue dispenser… heh
“Let me guess he died during sex”
lol
The “gay” worked, her response is the evidence, so I wouldn’t say it fell flat. “Gay” almost always triggers a variety of hamster algorithms. As long as she’s responding, it can potentially lead to sex, which, under normal circumstances, is the goal.
Good points on the re-frame.
you motherfuckers are gonna turn ellipses and “gay” into the next “i was having an argument with my friend and want a girls opinion”, stop overgaming
Just like antibiotics.
As soon as any advice is posted here on this site, I know it’s going to be used up and worthless in the field within a month.
brockz, you piss ant, I’ve been employing the ellipsis since ~2006.
For the record, I have no interest in actually fucking this girl — I mean I do, but I won’t…
Tao of Steve precept #1, executed as well as the POF platform allows. Be desireless.
Before RSD came along to make this ancient wisdom so much more Canadian-funky hipster kewl:
So much harder to do on a medium designed to aggrandize an already grandiose female ego, reinforce women’s social strengths, and eliminate men’s. But, as you said, good exercise nonetheless, like morning push-ups.
POF-APPROACH MOAR.
Matt
Show us your most recent text exchange, hoe
Her: Here
Me: There in 10
Her: K
Me: 8===idontwant2getupregnant…gaybringthemoviesnah===D~~~
In Today’s Edition of Things That Never Happened….
You got me, internet sleuth. I don’t even have text.
/shame slump & slink
response: “Don’t worry, I’ve dated the whole someone with a double-digit notch count. Not my cup of tea”
@Pluvilophile.
Interesting, I had a similar exchange with a girl online. She keeps insisting I send her my photos like it’s a job interview.
Here’s mine.
Me: Spank your ass
Her: is that is your kinky preference?
Me: I have several…
Her: send me over the list. (+ your face photos)
Me: I’m a man you”re a woman….. Rough not painful …. Still curious ?
Her: oh, yes I am.
Me: Besides your lips what part of your body do you most like kissed ?
Her: before we go on, I need your face photos first.
Her: then you will get my answer.
Me: Answer the question
Her: i’d love to answer. you know what you should do.
Me: I’m a man… You’re woman… You want to experience that intensity of pleasure just short of pain … answer ….
Her: let’s be honest. are you doing this to any woman? you contacted me because you saw my pics. send me your face pics.
Her: fyi, i am very interested in hopping on the journey.
me: what’s your whatsapp and name, I’ll add you…photos there. we can take it from there. you look interesting but I do have additional criteria if we go further…
Girl is refusing to give me her contact details…I’m having a blast with this.
Pull from this whatever you guys think works and dump whatever you think doesn’t.
“He is so gentle—the gentle man I always thought I wanted, because underneath it all I’m gentle, too”
WRONG. Underneath it all she is not gentle too, she is the female equivalent of the bad boys she dated. Human mating is assortative. The human pollution will seek each other out.
“I’m gentle, too”
I took that to mean she’s submissive, but submissive women want dominant men, not submissive men.
Sasquatch feminist moans about the “last acceptable prejudice”: men preferring women shorter than them (and of course, women have been brainwashed by PATRIARCHY to prefer men taller than them)
http://www.esquire.com/_mobile/women/sex/date-a-taller-woman
She doesn’t seem so bad, she says she is tall but dates shorter men.
But “the last acceptable prejudice”? Any prejudice is acceptable in dating. It’s not like the EEO laws where you have to prove you interviewed a certain number of minorities etc. Whatever you like, that you can get.
What does a woman mean when she’s 19 y/o and says her 5-year long relationship just ended and “she’s not ready to date yet”, “she’s sick of guys, she’s allright all on her own” etc?
Is it possible that a 19 y/o girl be so ‘widowed’ by an alpha that she doesn’t want to date for two months or is she just really selective in guys and I didn’t make the cut?
Full [long] story : met her once in university about 1.5 months ago, she seemed interested. Since i haven’t seen her in person since , I added her on facebook about a week ago and started chatting. She ignored my initial simple ‘hey’, punished her two days later and had a medium length chat after she appologized. Had another one two days later, I was more sexual and playful ; at the end i said we should meet in the weekend. She said we’ll “talk more and see” ( this was thursday) . On Friday I send her a time and place message ( saturday, 7pm ) then didn’t get on facebook until sat. 6pm.
I was pretty sure she’d turn me down but I didn’t see any other choice. So 2 hours before we should’ve met i see her message saying “… sorry I’m busy … i said maybe we’d meet … advice from her to ‘change my strategy’ cuz girls don’t like it when they’re being bossed around [ i giggled ]”
Next this convo happened ( translated ) :
Me : it’s ok now, i just found out I’ll have a lot of stuff to do this weekend ( which is true ) but we’re gonna have a problem in the future if this happens again.
Her : ‘what, why?’
Me : you’re just refusing out of principle, not because you’re busy
Her : I refuse because I don’t know your intentions, why do you want to go out?
Me : Of course, I’m sorry I’m giving myself away but in reality i’m a serial killer, you got me.
Her: yea yea :)) . Seriously now..
Me : seriously, would one joke about this sort of stuff?
– now i’m not sure if she just left the convo or is typing a long ass message, fucking facebook bugs –
Me : I don’t know what you’re imagining, i just thought you’re pretty and you made a good impression on me.
Her [ long ass message, damn.. should’ve waited one more god damn minute.. ] : I get it, you’re avoiding the subject but i’m a more direct person : we can meet as friends, we can talk about university or whatever you want but if you want more, you’re losing your time… i just got out of a 5 year relationship.
Her : The last thing i want now is to meet guys, no way. I’me super ok as I am [ alone , lol ]
Me : You should send me the summary. [ in retrospect although this seems like an alpha line i think it’s a punishment to her long texting.. which i shouldn’t have done since she SHOULD type out entire novels.. ]
Me : I’m tired of new friends and I call bullshit, not on the 5 year relationship but the fact that you’re sick and tired of guys.
Her : I don’t understand . I have guy friends , i grew up with guy friends and i believe in friendships between guys and girls [ this really got me laughing ]
Me : i’m sorry for them lol
Her : why?
Me : this debate is useless, i don’t tell you what to believe in
Her : ok
Me : If my expectations aren’t clear enough then I’ll spit it right out.
Me : My expectation was to atleast get to know each other before we made any decisions. But if you don’t think you’re in the right state of mind for this then it’s ok.
Her : No offence but I’m not really in the mood right now … you seem like an ok guy .. but i don’t think you would’ve been my type .. you’re too pragmatic .. reserved and a little cold … atleast that’s the impression you gave me … i’m the total opposite , i’m a dreamer , playful and childish .. i don’t think we would’ve made a great match. [ her punctuation, was similar earlier but i ommitted it ]
[ maybe i should’ve said something along the lines of ‘ever heard the saying the opposites attract?’ ]
Me : The point of meeting up is to get to know each other. There’s no fun in describing my every thought on facebook. In general you can’t form good impressions about someone personality out of 2 facebook chats . And this isn’t an exception, you’re impression is not aligned with reality , i’m saying this to help you in the future.
[ well.. fuck me that was pretty bad ]
Her : maybe :))
Her : maybe we’ll go out after the holidays … when i’ll be better psychologically… i don’t want to go out with anybody until i don’t sort myself out… it wouldn’t be fair .. to forget someone through someone else … i hope you understand!!
Me : it’s ok, i hope someone’s helping you through it.. that you’re not just helping yourself
Her : i’m trying alone at the moment, i have my friends beside me.
Her : You can join my ‘gang’ if you want :))
Me : :))
Her : Out of all those boys [friendzoned] you don’t trust any one of them to let them help you?
Her: It’s not about.. i told you what i told them
Her : it’s not fair … i think that if we hurt someone it comes back tenfold.. i’d be disrespectful to someone if i tried to be with him just to forget the other one.
Her : Until i don’t consider i’m ready to invest feelings into someone else … until i don’t feel something, until i don’t fall in love… i prefer to be alone
Her : And yes, i know everybody’s saying that I don’t give anyone a chance .. that i chase off all of them and i don’t have enough patience to get to know them
Me : Who’d you hurt?
Her : That guy.. who’d help me forget
Me : The problem with solving problems all on your own at your age is that you don’t have a clear picture of a lot of things.
Me : I’m not saying you should solve your problems with a guy but atleast get help from someone in your family with great life experience.
[spoken like a true priest, damn these things are painful to analyz.. ]
Her : Yes I have X , my bff
Her : I’m mostly over it.. i’m not crying or suffering anymore … it’s been a month and a half … the critical part is over
Her : I talked to the guy, we remained friends… i got over the part when it was painful to talk to him etc etc
Her : But i just don’t know.. i want more time to pass
Me : Depending on what type of guy you find, you’ll find that he doesn’t do it from the goodness of his heart but for his own benefit.
Me : Not everyone is emotionally instable .. it’s not as easy to hurt someone as you might think
Me : Relationships should be beneficial for both sides, regardless of the type of relationship. [ now i’m just saying gibberish ]
Her : yea.. they should
Her : ok, we’ll talk later , i gotta go cause i’m sleeping at my [ supposedly female ] cousin.
Me : bye
Her : bye
———
Fuck.
I thought it went better than that.. honestly.. i was too high with adrenaline and feeling too good navigating the conversation having learned a little game . I even thought i applied some principles. Well I guess I’ll do a lot more of these as they seem helpful even if i’m writing them only for myself.
It seems obvious now that I should’ve just cut the conversation off when she said we should meet after the holidays.
But did I do good enough? As in is it possible to hook up with her after all this ? If yes, do I have an uphill battle and should just forget the lead or am I on even ground with say, a ‘stranger’?
I’m asking because my opinion is obviously biased and i of course believe not all is yet lost. For now I’ll wait for her to init convos.. if she doesn’t for about two weeks I’ll reinit altough i feel if she doesn’t init after that time i should just forget about it.
Also, do you get the feeling she has a fuckbuddy on the side and I’m just being pushed aside for something better? Please keep in mind that I’m from a somewhat traditional EE country and for anyone who’s read roosh’s reports on those.. one night stands are VERY hard to come by here. From what we’ve talked so far she seems to be from a very good family so outright sluttiness is a low probability.
If she’s 19 and been in a relationship for 5 years that means she started at 14, at that age girls usually date 16-17 y/o guys so that makes him now about my age, possibly a little older. I’m guessing they split up because she moved to a university city and he didn’t want a LDR which puts him on the alpha side, her being hurt means he ended it.
I’ll be honest man but I didn’t read your whole transcription of events… just the start and the end paragraphs
Keep in mind this- pay attention to what the girl does, not what she says.
Especially girls from traditional/”good” families or cultures. She probably did date this guy for 5 years because that’s what was expected of “being boyfriend and girlfriend.”
He may have been alpha, he may have not.
He may have been so sickeningly beta that she IS done with guys.
Or he may have been so sickeningly alpha that she couldn’t deal with him hitting on/banging/being chased by other women.
If you steadily apply game principles, you will get the bang/relationship even if she SAYS that’s not what she wants. I got a 2 year sexual relationship with a girl in college who told me the same thing the first night I met her- “I just got out of a relationship and I’m done with those for a while.”
Have demonstrable social value, have solid inner game, apply game principles to interactions with her (flirting, teasing, escalating physical contact, venue hopping, etc) and you can get her.
I think you sounded butthurt at the beginning, OK neutral at the end. The end probably helped erase the butthurt feeling (your suspicion there’s someone else came thru) at the beginning, and she didn’t def. say goodbye. Priestlike may be OK atm given her state of mind, but don’t get sucked into helping mode now or later, you see that.
She may just not think much of herself right now, I’m no expert at this but I guess I’d wait like she says, it will seem a long time to her. Then ask for something neutral like coffee. If she asks why, just say you only wanted to have coffee. Don’t clarify, and if she demands clarification, politely say goodbye. She’ll wonder where she went wrong and probably do the coffee date.
I have no advice on how to handle the coffee date, probably the usual attraction stuff but others would be far more clever about it.
Well that was a little long. Next time i’ll try to summarize convos but since i’m a newbie i’m afraid of losing subtle but significant details.
I don’t think I was that butthurt at the begining or atleast she didn’t seem to perceive it so, based on her response.
I appreciate the feedback.
I’ve thought of something, if a girl ever asks me to LJBF I’ll say “sure. (small pause) . Got any single friends?” or some variation that involves her hooking me up with one of her friends.
Here’s the main issue — you are getting sucked into her reality and her bullshit. You are arguing on her terms — ‘you are refusing out of principle, I think it’s BS to be friends.’ Lol, that just makes her fight you harder.
HOWEVER, I’m a big believer in “the attitude” conquering all. If you watch ‘alphas’ with their girls, you can see some serious mate guarding behavior, some serious drama, etc. The girls love it though, because the guy is just expressing how he feels without regard to how anyone else feels.
So, just because you’re calling her on her shit doesn’t kill you — this can be sexy to chix. HOWEVER —>
‘Me : If my expectations aren’t clear enough then I’ll spit it right out.
Me : My expectation was to atleast get to know each other before we made any decisions. But if you don’t think you’re in the right state of mind for this then it’s ok.’
Lol if you’re going to present this frame of ‘we’re gonna fuck and that’s that,’ don’t be a bitch. If you’re a bitch in this specific situ, you will wreck urself. You should have followed it up with something like —
me: come over and hang out, we’re young and i kno you want a good time
She probably would have pushed back, but the ball would have been moved up to the 5 yard line. You would have had cajones. ‘get to know each other?’ Lol….laaaaaame. Either shit or get off the pot if you’re gonna go for this ‘IM A STRAIGHT SHOOTER’ style.
And then you start talking about her past? Lol, naaaaaah. Big red flag is if a girl talks about her past with you before you’ve been fucking for a few months and she’s trying to extract commitment. Girls do not want to think about past tingles in the presence of present tingles. This just puts you in the position of emotional tampon.
Go after what you want more aggressively. Do you REALLY want to sit there and talk about her stupid bullshit that has nothing to do with you? I thought not. So don’t do it. Always be working toward what you want to get from her.
Pretty on point overall, but let me call out something specific:
No offence but I’m not really in the mood right now … you seem like an ok guy .. but i don’t think you would’ve been my type .. you’re too pragmatic .. reserved and a little cold … atleast that’s the impression you gave me … i’m the total opposite , i’m a dreamer , playful and childish .. i don’t think we would’ve made a great match.
This was your “2nd lease on life”, I could have spun this statement alone into a major victory. I would have spun her out on this emotionally by agreeing and amplifying.
“You are right, I am those things, but maybe instead of judging me so fast, when we meet next I will tell you WHY I’m those things, it is a story that will blow your mind.”
You’ve now generated interest in the story. It can be true, or false, it matters not. You can tell her about how your Dad tried to kill you, how your last girlfriend swallowed a bottle of pills, what the fuck ever. You now have a potential hook.
Or you could do the same thing but with the opposite spin of agree & amplify. Which is that yes, I maintain a cold exterior but when we meet next I will show a dreamer you cannot imagine in ways you have never encountered. Again, you better damn sight -deliver- the goods if you roll this angle.
Hey man, I do not have the time, energy, or experience to break that down completely so I’ll focus on one theme that can hopefully help.
It seems like you are trying to “convince” this girl to change her mind about you. But that violates one of the PUA rules “Change her mood, not her mind.” You can’t logically coerce this girl into being attracted to you.
“you’re just refusing out of principle, not because you’re busy”
“The point of meeting up is to get to know each other. There’s no fun in describing my every thought on facebook. In general you can’t form good impressions about someone personality out of 2 facebook chats .”
“Me : My expectation was to atleast get to know each other before we made any decisions. But if you don’t think you’re in the right state of mind for this then it’s ok.”
See the pattern here? You’re trying to sway her with this kind of stuff but it’s not working.
How do we usually see the attraction go down?
1) Guy runs great game, has pre-selection, demonstrates value, playfully teases the girl, passes her shit-test, reframes the interaction in his favor, escalates, etc
2) Guy convinces the girl to be with him
So one thing to remember and I will quote Scray :
“The strongest frame wins, but the strongest frame never wins by arguing. Whenever she resists, you need to plow without her knowing you’re plowing. Be like water. She shuts you down when you’re funny but you get on her good side by being a little vulnerable, and when she catches on to that, surprise surprise, who’s pre-selected, and so on and so on until her panties accidentally fell off.
So if she tries to slow you up or pick you apart or be difficult — never fall into the frame of “you are equal to me and therefore I will engage you like I would engage an equal.” Nah, you aren’t going to argue with her. You’ll just talk about something different, because who gives a shit. ”
Thanks for posting that exchange and putting yourself out there. Do not expect this to click overnight but keep learning and trying as you’re not quite there yet. I don’t say this in a condescending way, I’m not quite there yet either but your exchange resonated with me as I’ve been there.
And done that.
@immoral
Yes.
“you’re just refusing out of principle, not because you’re busy”
“The point of meeting up is to get to know each other. There’s no fun in describing my every thought on facebook. In general you can’t form good impressions about someone personality out of 2 facebook chats .”
I don’t think you need to explain why you would meet up.
I’ve done this and then realized….uh oh…
Girls know what they want very early and let you know.
I don’t see a lot of IOI’s in that chat.
What I do see is a girl who likes attention.
In this case, walk away. Seriously. There is a point in every interaction where you can walk away.
You can always reframe the above passage as “I’m a guy, I state my intentions” but that’s only in your own head.
In future read some of the posts on text game and pull it back a bit.
There are some great patterns you can run that work for me EVERY time.
Thanks guys, I much appreciate it.
If you happen to see my posts in the future please just give me the straight dope. I know I’m bad and most of you here are better than me so I don’t care if you sound condecending or what not. I just want to get good. As long as I can work off your feedback you can give me any shit you like
Back to your original tl;dr post:
“What does a woman mean when she’s 19 y/o and says her 5-year long relationship just ended and “she’s not ready to date yet”, “she’s sick of guys, she’s allright all on her own” etc?”
Didn’t need to read much beyond that, because it’s very straightforward. When a chick says she’s not ready to date yet, what she means is, she’s not ready to date YOU.
That’s it.
You can bet your left nut that if the right kind of jerkboy asshole showed up, she’d drop her drawers in a heartbeat. And he wouldn’t need to ‘date’ her first to fuck her either. If you’re hearing that speech, you’re simply not that guy. Yet.
Just NEXT her and pursue other options. Preferably several other options, simultaneously.
I could go on, but that’s all you need to know about this one.
Polly is probably giving all this advice for her to “show up” and genuinely open up to this man, because she sees that his SMV is already above hers and the difference will only grow, she’s GOT to get this guy locked in.
The guy should run the same calculation and will get the same result, but with a minus sign in front. And then he should run, away.
What can anyone say to this? One can only read and learn. I echo what others have said – this needs to be learned young. Alas the young men have been feed lies their whole lives.
I’m currently de-betaizing after gorging on some redpill and can confirm this.
Have a relationship full of fight with my wife. So saturday before a week told wifey to STFU after some shit I didn’t like. Have been giving her the cold treatment for the week. She’s been becoming more and more sweet but I aver it’s only trying to manipulate me, so more cold treatment.
Today she came with some “you’ve changed” blah-blah.
Me WTF.
She (angry) “I want divorce!”
Me “Ok”
She looks at incredulous, goes to bathroom to do some boo-hoo-hoo.
After 15 minutes she comes back and sez a sniffling sorry and since then sweetness.
Bravo. I love that incredulous look as much as the teary-eyed one. You need to fuck her senseless now.
If true, high five.
Yes. My now ex gf would be awesome then have a mood swing I’d tell her off and she’d break up just like that . I’d say ok and a week later she’d be sweet and banging me again. Then she amped it up and broke up 2 days before a massive event with overseas gueSts I had created and she helped plan. To add more drama she said she would t come. I told her she was an immature princess. Sure enough after ending things in this cruel immature way she starts trial texting asking if we are still taking a class I’d arranged together. Told her I had to make other arrangements. Here’s where it all back fried on her. I ignored and stayed focused she didn’t come. The sense of entitlement was there but she was shocked I could walk away. It’s been tough but I leArned a lot. Girls with princess and entitlement can’t believe that after they break up you walk away. So while their nice guy exas pine Away for them a dick like me who ignores her and flirts with other girls on her prescience is a source of anger. Think of it. If girl breaks up with A guy shouldn’t she be happy? Relived? Bit angry? My advice is that now that you have asserted yourself be prepared for the worst. Women hate having the script flipped on them. The woman in the original article is classic. She hates her. Bf for having bad pants, but if he dumped her or she dumped him and he said ok she’s go mental .
Cold shoulder for a week? That is lame. Sounds to me like you don’t know how to have an argument. You should just state your view, listen to her view, look at the evidence and what can and can’t be done. Be calm and in control of yourself without getting upset or acting cold. That is to say, act like an intelligent and mature person. If she then acts out you don’t respond to that by acting out yourself.
The problem the mainstream has with this info is that it demolishes egalitarianism. Harsh realities that many don’t want to face – but it’s reality!
This has nothing to do with whether he’s “nice”, and this certainly doesn’t serve as license not to be a good person. Rather, she’s dissatisfied because:
1) He sucks in bed
2) He isn’t assertive enough
The solution? Learn how to please women and actually hold your own in a conversation. You can do this while still remaining a gentleman.
Totally this. Altho I think 1) depends a lot on 2) in many ways.
Yes you can do it while being a gentleman. Indeed I think you are more of a gentleman as a leader, at least in the traditional sense of a gentleman as a title of respect, a description of a property owner, etc.
But to me at least, it requires a less nice frame of mind. The outcome may be described by others as “nice”, for me it usually is I guess, but that’s not my goal. I stop thinking so much about what she wants and more about what’s proper overall.
Agree with this. The woman in the story says he follows her around and paws at her. That is some sleazy, strange guy she has found. She wants a man who acts like a man, not like a bastard or a weirdo.
The reason we use the “nice guy” label in a sarcastic way is that it is what women say when they turn down a guy in a polite way: “You are such a nice guy, I’m sure you’ll find someone.” And some guys then like to think that the only problem with them is being nice, because that way they don’t have to address their actual problems. But it doesn’t mean that being nice is something bad. Women don’t have a problem with nice, they have a problem with boring.
They also have a problem with needy.
They might not have a problem with. Ice but they definitely soak their panties in the presence of Pure Evil.
“And the reflex serves the same underlying reproductive purpose in both sexes: to avoid contamination of the egg with inferior sperm, and to avoid fertilizing and investing resources in inferior eggs.”
Pure gold. Yet a man is a “chauvanistic asshole” for this disgust reflex while a woman is “wise or prudent” for it.
To some asshole women maybe. I’ve found most women supportive when I dumped women who didn’t suit me for one reason or another. Even the sister of one chick I dumped. Dumped with politeness and consideration, but there was no give in my decision, and the sister understood and appreciated that I had done it as a gentleman.
Looking back I guess I got social proof from it. That wasn’t my goal of course, I just wanted to do it properly.
Just stop reading the feminist crap and stop dating feminist chicks. Stop caring what unnamed “they’s” you don’t even meet say on the MSM etc.
Funnily, I went to a coffee shop last Friday with a girl, and I told her about the basics regarding male and female differences: how men are turned on quicker by the visual (as science has proven) because that helps spreading genes, while women hold back and use romance (in its classical form: flowers, chocolate, playing the guitar under the balcony) as a test of a man’s commitment, because she needs to find the best possible man who will also stay and care for the offspring.
And I went on about what men look for in a woman’s body and vice versa, explaining it by showing how these are signs of health and fertility: the hip-to-waist ratio, long and lush hair, smooth skin, firm breasts, etc.
And it worked! She was fascinated by it all. She had heard something in that direction, but never had it spelled out clearly.
I am going to send her some links to scientific studies. Always fun to spread knowledge. All of this should be taught in high school in mandatory Evolutionary Psychology Class.
I’ve known many alcoholics, in particular, who maintained harems (in as well as out of rehab). They make shitty wingmen though.
This guy needs to watch Blue Valentine with his eyes pried open Clockwork Orange Style.
Somewhat off topic, but not completely:
How long until a man can be accused of “sexual harrassment” for NOT paying enough attention to one girl.
You could see the fatties demanding that they get equal time from men. So, if a guys is chatting up a slim, attractive girl, he is “harrassing” the fat one because of her butthurt feelings.
and hilarity ensues.
While that is both irrational and illogical….that is the basis of most of the corrupt laws in our society. So in 5 years.
[…] Horror is a woman’s secret id revealed. Unenlightened men recoil, and even the women who allow the full expression of their deepest feelings are revolted by the specter of their own fallen desire. […]
[…] Most women aren’t capable of this sort of self-reflection, and with good reason; if women had to g… […]
Great movie for Game was “Blue Velvet”. Forget alcoholic game. Go all the way to total raving madness. .. Just kidding.
The best short cut out of the pit of despair and hopeless beta-loserdom is, imho, to grasp how unable women really are to rewire their own hind-brains. Then we can see our way clear to spending zero effort trying to help them with it.
The more I learn about human beings, the more I think that what planet Earth REALLY needs is an H-bomb type weapon to destroy all traces of humanity, leaving animal- and plant life intact.
Yes, I am serious.
They already got one, its called “The White Man”
oops, Im sorry; I’ll get my coat.
Human beings…they are as foolish as they are brilliant.
If you like, you can learn about human beings, and what the future holds for the human world, from the perspective of the Fa-rectification. http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/lectures/19960728L.html
Would it annoy you if your boss, who makes.more than you, always asked for your input?
Woman is at Mans heel. And He has put enmity between us. This is the way it has been and always will be. This way and not some other. For this is what is taught in the
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BTW where has he been lately?
One thing I might add to my comment while it sits in LIFO Stack Moderation Hell.
When the bitch says, “He is far less experienced than I am in the bedroom, and yet I do not know how to let him know what I like, because he is not keeping up with me in that department,” I kinda feel a little sympathy for her.
[Otherwise she’s just completely morally repugnant.]
As I was saying to some dudes on another recent thread, this “Abstinence Game FTW” is some extremely dangerous shit.
You withhold sex from your woman at your own peril.
Woman need to be sexed, and sexed hard.
They need orgasms.
A woman needs to be ravaged.
She needs to feel that she has given everything which can be given, and that you have taken everything which can be took.
She needs that rosy glow in her cheeks afterwards.
It completes her.
And if you don’t complete her, then some sneaky-assed mother-fucker like YaReally or Scray is gonna move in on your turf and do your job for you.
PS: 50 or 75 years ago, it was maybe understandable that goody two-shoes altar boys wouldn’t know how to sex a woman, but in this day and age of limitless 24×7 pr0n, it is simply unacceptable to still be clueless about it.
Just download some dyke pr0n and watch how they fuck each other [cause dykes actually know what they’re doing].
Watch how the dykes massage each others’ clits, and how they work the dildos on one another.
All you have to do is get a wet finger [or wet fingers] on her clit, and massage it gently but consistently, and get the head of your cock in just behind her pubic bone, where her G-Spot is [although some chicks prefer the cervix to be banged really hard, which is at the far end of her birth canal], and she will cum and cum and cum for you.
There was a scene in HBO’s Rome, where Titus Pullo taught Lucius Vorenus about all of this, but I can’t seem to find it on JewTube.
Someone needs to find this “nice guy” and set him straight before we see one more man sucked into the femiMatrix.
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