Beta males who get stuck in the friend zone (“LJBFed”) with women are rightly mocked for their self-defeating clinginess and the burden of their blue balls. But the strategy — if it can be called that — to befriend girls that one would like to fuck must have some utility for some men some of the time, or it wouldn’t exist in the state of nature. And, if one observes women through the years, there are those beta male orbiters who do manage, through sheer force of persistence or ungodly patience for a stroke of luck to come their way, a tender five seconds of intimacy with their female friends which the girls immediately regret afterward.
So you might say the undercover beta male orbiter strategy is extremely long-term, with no guarantee of sexual closure. It’s a painfully slow and laborious process for extracting sexual favors from girls, so why then do some egregiously betas do it? Well, because for these kinds of weak men the pain of the subversive orbiter strategy is less painful than the pain of outright rejection from busting a move that would destroy all their hopes and the delicious uncertainty that acts as mental lube for their masturbatory daydreaming.
However, if approaching and hitting on girls with sexual intention is simply out of your realm of possibility, then there are ways to conduct your undercover orbiter strategy that will maximize your odds of a bang with the torment of your dreams. I lay them out here.
– Always talk about the girls you are dating, fucking, or seeking same from to your girl “friend”. Do so in a way that does not seem try-hard; that is, offer it up like an afterthought to some other topic that triggers the segue.
– Limit your friendzone time to drinking, shows, art exhibits, and house parties. Try to avoid shopping or other quintessentially girlie or best gay boyfriend activities. The object is to do friendly things with her that mimic real dates, while avoiding doing those things with her that strengthen her impression of you as “one of the girls” (who happens to have a penis, if the rumors are true).
– Immediately and without qualification change the subject when your girl “friend” begins talking about a guy she likes, or the dudes she’s fucking or wants to fuck. Once you go down that road, there’s no turning back from eternal LJBF hell. She will never see you as a sexual creature if you are willing to listen to her sob stories about other men plowing her clean.
– Don’t make a production of her wistful musings about other guys, though. Don’t change the subject by exclaiming your refusal to listen to her dating life; doing that opens her to suspicions that you really like her, and if your Undercover Orbiter strategy is to work, you can’t put yourself in a position of needy weakness. Better to change subjects by simply changing them, as if you didn’t even hear her comment about the serial killer she really wants to boff who offed her twin sister.
– You’re going to want to invoke feelings of latent jealousy as much as possible. A girl “friend” that you are orbiting may not consciously perceive you as a potential lover, but when she sees you holding court with other girls, or flirting with one of her friends, her instincts will kick in and she won’t be able to control a growing desire for your preselected malehood.
– Use her as a target for practicing your teasing skills. A platonic girl friend (but you know better, don’t you, tiger) presents an excellent opportunity for honing your cocky teasing skills. And a welcome bonus is that she may start to want you after all your gentle insulting.
– Once in a while, she’s going to unload that “I fucked a hot dude last night” conversation bomb. Do not react negatively, even though you will feel intense burning jealousy mixed with disgust. In fact, do not react at all. Raise an eyebrow, and say something along the lines of, “Tell me more when the wedding date is set.” The idea is to ridicule her idea of a fulfilling dating life. More good replies: “Your parents would be proud”, “Hey, congratulations, you magnificent slut!” (say this with a shit-eating grin), “This is news?”
– Your one advantage, if you can call it that, is that you are the guy who is “there for her” when times are tough and she needs a shoulder to cry on. Occasionally, like when Jupiter aligns with Uranus and her oxytocin levels are off the charts, a girl will feel strong intimate feelings for the emotionally available and sensitive beta male. That’s when you leap in. You’ve been laying the groundwork for months, perhaps years, and now it’s time to cash in your “terrific guy” chips for a shot at her weepy vulva. Bust your move by gently stroking the back of her hand for hours. Progress to giving her many more hours of cunnilingus when you’ve gotten an unambiguous green light for bedroom intimacy. (Your green light will need to be unambiguous, because pushing hard for sex over her coy protestations will strike her as terribly incongruent with your personality, and she will recoil.) Finally, be prepared for waves of regret to wrack her mind in the morning, or even as soon as when the tip of your penis grazes her labia. Allow that she will need this time to regret her actions, and take the necessary precautions to avoid a feminism-inspired legal imbroglio by wiring your place with audio and video recorders the day before she arrives. You can never be too safe.
– Finally, preemptively dump her after the first time you bang her. Yes, that’s right, unceremoniously dump the girl of your dreams, your White Womb. As her confirmed beta orbiter, there is little chance she will want more sex with you after her moment of weakness (that’s what she will think it is), let alone a relationship, if you do not take steps to push her in that direction. And pushing her in that direction means pushing her away from you. There’s nothing more infuriating, and hence, more alluring, to a woman than a man who has inexplicably made himself less available to her after sex. Especially when that man has spent so much time prior being the guy she could count on. This is script-flipping on steroids. You must make her stop seeing you as her reliable, sensitive, asexual friend, and that means you need to start becoming less reliable, less sensitive, and more sexual. A preemptive dumping is just the strong medicine a girl “friend” needs to being the healing of her “regretiness”. Don’t do it the very next morning, but don’t wait too long either. You have to get the jump on her before she hits you with the “I don’t want to ruin our friendship” sermon. Timing is critical. You want to be the bearer of that message before she is.
– If you are slow to act, and she manages to “dump” you first, you have a counter maneuver. Agree with her. “Yes, this was a mistake. We need to stop so we can remain friends.” (Never mind the bizarre logic of this statement; with women, emotions are what matter.) Then, in the days immediately following, see her once, and then cut off all contact for a few weeks (or months, as the circumstances require). Cutting off contact means taking a full day or two to reply to her texts or vmails or IMs, and not making a big deal about it when she inquires why you are being distant. Act as if she is the one imagining things are wrong between you two.
– This is hamster manipulation of the highest order. You are the one instigating the Distancing Protocol, while blaming her for perceiving something that’s “all in her head”. This contradictory tactic spares you from leaving an impression of butthurtness, and keeps her in a constant state of self-doubt. From such fertile psychological ground sprouts the chaser-chasee inversion algorithm, a seduction ploy that is the special sauce which underlies every womanizer’s exotic power over their prey.
And a second-order effect of going through all this might be to cure you of being a beta orbiter, period, by taking women off the pedestal. There was an earlier CH post that suggested that the quickest way to de-pedestalize is to think of the Beloved smiling with a cum-drenched face after giving it to another guy; this is essentially forcing yourself to do that by living with her through all those stories. I’d be cured of beta-orbiter really fast after playing pseudo-GBF.
Whenever she says “but they’Re JUST friends”.. remember Orbiter Bear:
http://i.qkme.me/3sbrkz.jpg
And one bear leads to another bear…
http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/15g5jt/its_been_3_days_since_ive_found_out/
“There was an earlier CH post that suggested that the quickest way to de-pedestalize is to think of the Beloved smiling with a cum-drenched face after giving it to another guy; I’d be cured of beta-orbiter really fast after playing pseudo-GBF.”
ITAWY. It’s definitely a way to remedy you of her mystique. But this tactic gets employed by women too. Some of us girls do the same thing to keep ourselves away from engaging in casual sex. When it’s clear a charming guy is hitting on us and probably wants to escalate things right then and there, we imagine his red pulsating swollen dick – bumped, bruised, and STD drenched from all the vaginas he fucked. It sure halts his charms instantaneously. Because it’s really true. A guy with game can really twist a girl’s mind, but when you apply this antidote, he can’t penetrate your defenses. The only way he has a chance with you is if he slowed down a bit and you decided to give him a chance. But the moment he gets out of control, bring back the pulsating dick image, which I assume isn’t far off the truth if he is that sexually active.
@NiteLily
Hm. Interesting. Similar to the guy’s visualizing, though, that implies awareness of the larger picture of what’s going on–either that there’s Beta Orbiter Syndrome in progress (on the guy’s part), or that the guy is charming and escalating and the woman consciously opts to slow down.
I think the general rule though for guys is that game is like working a sales job–it’s worth physically escalating harder earlier (so to speak) for clarity about the intentions of both parties involved (in this case, whether the woman is reciprocally interested, or is slow-playing, or is not really interested) so that time and other resources aren’t wasted on pursuing bad leads. Not sure what the female equivalent is.
“that implies awareness of the larger picture of what’s going on–either that there’s Beta Orbiter Syndrome in progress (on the guy’s part), or that the guy is charming and escalating and the woman consciously opts to slow down.”
Of course there is awareness; you couldn’t do it without it. But it need not be employed on a beta orbiter. A beta orbiter is nonthreatening. You must use it on a guy whom you know is interested in you because he is charming as hell and you’re very attracted to him and you know he is flirting and escalating, and driving you crazy with his antics and dominance. He takes liberties touching you, caressing your sleeveless arm, making eye contact and mentioning how soft your skin is. A woman’s body is very sensitive to touch, much more sensitive than a man’s body, and that’s when she enters the danger zone. So it’s why I admit that a guy with game can really twist a girl’s mind, but when you apply this antidote, he can’t penetrate your defenses, or at least it slows down things until you’re ready (or not ) to give him a chance. But that means nothing happens that night, and possibly not even the next night or the night after that. It depends how lax or strict you want to be with a particular guy. So usually, when a guy is this hot (and I don’t necessarily mean good-looking, I mean he has a sexy disposition and attitude) you need to watch out. He knows how to use his sexuality to get you to bed. You must not let him in, maybe never if you determine all he wants is sex. Visualizing his infested cock slows you down so that your common sense can prevail.
“Not sure what the female equivalent is.”
The female equivalent to a guy wanting to get laid fast, is a woman employing converse action. Where the guy wants to work fast, the female wants to go slow and take her time getting to know him. Of course, if he’s not into relationships that scenario is not going to be for him, and that’s fine. Men and women are often at odds. So when you encounter such a girl you don’t stick around since you don’t want to waste your precious time. However, some players like challenges and they will stick around and try hard to bed you. That’s when you need to remember, however intoxicating his attention is, that he’s a player, he had many women before you and will have many more after you, and if you don’t want to be another one of his conquests or worse get STDs, you better repeat this to yourself like a mantra.
Ok.
Now imagine that you see him more than once, he is popular with most of the girls, and you constantly get displays of his charisma.
He becames aloof to you, while having a blast with other girls in front of your eyes.
From day to day the sexual energy builds up in you, and after some time if that picture can still function – you will not be willing to employ it once he finally approaches to you again.
There are always exceptions and shit, but i have never seen effective defense to that.
LOL! You’re right; assuming he travels in my circles. If he’s friends with my friends, it’s a whole different ballgame than encountering him at a party or a club one time.
The attention is always intoxicating, so when he shifts his interest away from you, it’s almost like you want to pursue him, or at the very least you wait patiently for him to come around again. I think women have this irrational thing built within them – the moment the guy seems to lose interest, she becomes interested.
In that case, when he starts focusing on me again, I don’t deprive myself of his attention, I just go along for the ride and I flirt. I learn to enjoy the tête-à-tête, but I still don’t let my defenses down and I keep him at arm’s length. It’s like wanting to have ice-cream when you know you shouldn’t, so you satisfy yourself with just a few licks to get the urge out of your system. Hopefully, you don’t lose control and end up devouring the whole cone. Hence, I always keep it to superficial flirting. However, I will admit that after doing this for a few cycles – he pays attention then gets cold then pays attention then gets cold again – can exhaust my defenses. So ultimately you are right, it’s almost impossible to stabilize the sexual energy this creates. You just have to continue visualizing him with STDs and hope that your common sense will prevail if you really don’t want to engage in casual sex with men. Falling like a penetrated fortress is so weak. At least a girl can put up a fight.
Second!
Also, bang your girl “friend” ‘s friends.
CH are you inferring with quotations this girl isn’t actually your “friend?” Lulz nice.
I had a ton of female friends in college since I was on a co-ed sports team and they all ended up dating my friends. Luckily they weren’t that great and they tried to bang me first, so I was fine with it.
Male-female Platonic friendships don’t exist, let’s face it. Even if you are truly trying to be friends with a girl, there is always that possibility in the back of your mind that you could bang her at some point.
Male-female Platonic friendships don’t exist, let’s face it.
It can happen. I have the ideal female platonic friend. She’s somewhat overweight, and the girlfriend of one of my buddies, but very popular, with lots of hot girlfriends.
This is all extremely good advice, containing both practical tips and enough Evo Psych theory to point the Beta orbiter in the right direction.
I can’t, however, for the life of me figure out why any man would want to be friends with a woman. I can see how a man might, at some point in his life, end up at a museum or a show or something like that with a woman who is 100% off the radar screen of sex (something semi-work-related, or a cousin, sister, niece, grandmother), but how is it possible that anyone but a total beta schlub ends up at a date-like event with an otherwise fuckable woman who has unilaterally declared herself off-limits for you?
Women aren’t good friends. They don’t like to do anything cool. They talk too much. They are too sensitive. They are a pain in the ass about everything. I’d sooner poke my eyeballs out than hang out with a woman just for kicks. How is any of this fun?
And I say this even though I’m not exactly the most manly man in the world. Sure, I like to do some typical guy stuff, like work on cars, build motorcycles, and go bird hunting.
But I also spent a lot of my 20s in art classes. The only context where I could see myself hanging out with a woman I wasn’t fucking would be if she were (a) naked and (b) modeling.
I can’t, however, for the life of me figure out why any man would want to be friends with a woman.
Because she’s a direct pipeline to other women and by hanging with her you’re “preselected,” not just a stranger walking up to that particular woman hoping for the best.
Most of the women I’ve dated I met through other women, and this goes as far back as high school. Not only do you get access to a lot of women through female friends, but you get to know what their friends are like and can then capitalize on the commonalities.
As for the attraction that might happen, here’s what I recommend: deliberately befriend women you’re not attracted to who have large crowds of hot friends.
Male-female friendships do exist if you know what you’re doing and have a game plan.
social proof and keeping your game skills sharpened.
of course most women are useless as proper friends – you can’t really exchange knowledge with them or have a logical debate with them, and you can’t really shoot the shit with them like they’re one of the guys (the exception is the high-t girl who essentially is one of the guys but with a vagina). but that is not what women are for.
“Women aren’t good friends. They don’t like to do anything cool. They talk too much. They are too sensitive. They are a pain in the ass about everything. I’d sooner poke my eyeballs out than hang out with a woman just for kicks. How is any of this fun? ”
Just for kicks…no I wouldn’t hang out with a woman. But women are cool if you plan on something cool you like, control the conversation, and don’t give in to their sensitive emotions.
If you let the woman lead the whole thing…then yeah I’d rather poke out my eyeballs because at best it’ll be boring and at worst you’ll be blue balled or in physical pain.
You can always practice game…
It’s like playing games; that girl is level 1( for beginners) some other has a bitch shield. That is level up.
Next one has beauty, bitch shield and orbiters, so you must penetrate the setting…
I stopped to play video games so i play these games.
It’s good when you have beautifull girl – friend, that is married or unavailable otherwise, that admires you, or wants your friendship, because when such a girl and her hot friends are on your side, beta haters fade to the ground in any social setting.
“But the strategy — if it can be called that — to befriend girls that one would like to fuck must have some utility for some men some of the time, or it wouldn’t exist in the state of nature.”
Go back 10,000 years. After a gal got pregnant by the local untamed alpha–who promptly bounces on to other adventures–she will need protection, resources, and other support from a devoted male. The orbiter beta strategy in that world is to couple with the woman post-alpha-impregnation. Beta orbiter supports the alpha child as stepfather, and he gets a woman’s unenthusiastic sexual favors for years while the woman raises the alpha mini-me and the beta orbiter’s subsequent offspring with the woman.
In short, the orbiter beta is getting the five years of beta after five minutes of alpha left her perpetually unsatisfied with his betaness. No doubt the gal will scurry off for furtive alpha sessions when the opportunity arises, so even some of the subsequent kids are likely not the beta’s.
Jump to now. Same software is installed in the same hardware. BUT now that a woman can avoid pregnancy, women do not have to obtain post-alpha-dumping protection, resources, other subsistence needs by scurrying into beta arms once the alpha bounces on. Thanks to birth control, the beta orbiters are now not simply waiting a few months to a year after a woman’s sexuality gets them alpha-impregnated before the orbiter gets a shot. Rather, orbiters spend their entire twenties pursuing this strategy.
Those guys are pursuing what was sensible 10,000 years ago when living in a small community with few alphas and limited time frames before consequences played out. But now women are not faced with the horror of raising a child without fatherly male protection and male-provided resources.
Beta orbiters were the welfare state back in the day. Now gals get to avoid dealing with betas, if they want.
As a wise man keeps saying, “beta bucks and alpha…..”
“Go back 10,000 years”
You made every bit of that up. Proof: zero.
Recorded history doesn’t go back that far.
You don’t have to go back that far. He described the way things are now in non-feminist, non-socialist cultures. In a normal state of nature, that can be reproduced in the west within 5 years of an economic collapse, women have to stop riding the carousel by age 23 and marry their beta. I’ve seen it happen half a dozen times since I took the red pill that a playmate had to leave my harem to get married to a guy that was less fun but more willing to commit than myself.
So you don’t have to go back so many thousands of years to understand that feminism and socialism, with their transfers of wealth and over-confidence to young females, are forcing otherwise “successful” betas to wait into their thirties for sloppy 22nds instead of being #3 or #4 the way their strategy would have gotten them before.
“Go back 10,000 years”
Then you have a *true* state of nature: Rape, rape, rape.
While this is good advice, I’ve spent some time expaining such things to the types of guys who refuse to abandon the LJBF strategy, if you can call it that.
The problem is mainly with the latter part of your advice. Typically, as soon as the girl gives some attention to the LJBFd, all logic and strategy goes out the window (i.e. once penis goes into vajjjin, the LJBFd, overwhelemed with the fuzzy feelings of perceived success, will already be making wedding plans…)
What about casual nudity (yours or hers) if an appropriate situation happens? I was LJBFing a girl when in my early twenties. One time we took a dip in her parents’ backyard pool when we were alone, and afterward I just casually changed form my swim shorts to regular clothes right in front of her. Banged her a coupel of days later — as though the undressing changed our dynamic.
Maybe she saw the size of your dick. Women aren’t logical.
Probably not in that case. Stepping out of a swimming pool and walking into a frigidly air conditioned house in cold wet swim trunks = shrinkage.
It was disrespectful for you to do that. That’s probably why she liked it.
Bingo.
Show girls you don’t see them worthy of sexytime and they’ll often try to change that.
Just a word of warning here.
I’ve had a longtime friendship with a woman I dated in college. She’s still hot and I occasionally regret I’m not still sleeping with her. But when you get to know a woman as a friend, you get to know parts of her you wish you didn’t.
I must have subconsciously employed the advice above, because the other night she said she was through with the Alpha who has been “plate spinning” her and came right out and said “You’re closer to me than anyone, and I would really like to have a relationship, so let’s think about it.”
My thoughts? At first it was “Cool!” About a minute later it was “Um, no!” I know what she’s really like — I’m not going there even for easy sex. I could not put put up with her drama on a daily basis.
What we don’t realize is that there might be a subconscious reason we’re friends with them and maybe it was *us* who chose orbiter status because deep down we knew we didn’t really want them. Most of the females we’re friends with are histrionic drama queens who want female harems. If they were decent women, they wouldn’t be fucking around with male friends to begin with.
Finally, it also occurred to me that I kept her around because she’s a pipeline to a lot of good-looking women with who she’s friends. This area we need to explore — women lead to other women.
If they were decent women, they wouldn’t be fucking around with male friends to begin with.
This.
Let the NAWALT hamsterwauling begin.
Nah, it’s not that not all women are like that, it’s that any male friend who they fuck around with wasn’t actually a friend, and was in fact an evil guy pretending to be nice the entire time. Therefore, it was totally justified for them to fuck over the “friend” in the first place.
“Hamsterwauling” = le portmanteau juste. Brilliant.
Good move telling her no. Assuming she’s in her late 20′s early 30′s, if you had agreed, it would’ve been female imperative (cuckolding) time
Exactly. I’m not about to jump into this on her terms like I’m some puppy being given a treat. And it’s beyond arrogant she even thought to ask, as if I was her servant (hence my point about why I subconsciously never wanted anything serious).
It also shows how women can be insanely manipulative and how they think we’re too stupid to notice or see through their “feminine wiles.: Then they wonder why they get played.
BUT…I didn’t give her an answer, which I indicated. I want to see if I can spin this into occasional sex, which is how it worked best back in the day. Plus, I’m into one of her friends so I don’t want to alienate her too bad.
Anyway, no answer = I have the power now. Whatever the case, this is the last woman you’d want to commit to, unless you want to be committed.
the other night she said she was through with the Alpha who has been “plate spinning” her and came right out and said “You’re closer to me than anyone, and I would really like to have a relationship, so let’s think about it.”
My thoughts? At first it was “Cool!” About a minute later it was “Um, no!” I know what she’s really like — I’m not going there even for easy sex. I could not put put up with her drama on a daily basis… histrionic drama queens who want female harems…
DUDE!!!
You’re writing the script for yourself!!!
SHE: “I would really like to have a relationship with you.”
YOU: “Remind me again why any sane man would wanna get nekkid with a histrionic drama queen like you?!?”
At this point, remember that COOKING AND LAUNDRY are your best friends in these situations.
Something like: “Did your mother even teach you how to iron a man’s dress shirt?”
Or like: “And you put Roquefort in your Macaroni & Cheese, which is just totally retarded.”
And after a little more back-n-forth banter, you slam her with: “If I ended up with you, I’d need to bring five or six sister wives into the home so that you could be happy dominating them all as the first wife. Sheesh!!! If I’m gonna be puttin’ that kinda maintenance into you, then our sex life had better be off-the-charts smokin’ hawt.”
Hehe. See my reply above. I’m into one of her friends, so you’re reading my (sick) mind here. Hahahaha.
“The pain …is less painful than the pain” ???
Why not “less intense”, it’s way smoother.
I’m ACCUSTOMED to a certain standard of writing on this venerable blog. Therefore I’m ENTITLED to complain.
And no, I’m not a woman.
“I don’t want to ruin our friendship” = I don’t want to ruin the attention gravy train I’m getting by giving you anything in return.
Women really do understand the concept of hand. And they command it boldly and ruthlessly. The average beta male, with no concept of game, is ass-out everytime
Yep. I was more Omega or Gamma, but yep. I was left without EVERYTIME.
She fucked a hot guy last night…I guess I’m too nice of a guy when I give her this.
http://bg3.funformobile.com/blog/blogItem.php?uid=kdj8135fhx&aid=101&p=1
I can conceive that this strategy could work.
But why?
Just go chase some of the other three billion chicks in the world. Even if only 20% of those are of fertile age and only 20% of those are bangable, there are still over 100 million chicks to go chase. Jesus Fucking Christ.
I find platonic girlfriends are a great opportunity to practice some honest, mutually enjoyable sexual harassment without all the politics of actually fucking the person. Some of them I have gotten into a habit of fucking when both drunk, then not talking about it during the week. Great arrangement if both parties are into it.
Good post, and I’d only add that an element of self-amusing harassment is very beneficial if you’re trying to sexualize the friendship. Text her pictures of yourself after the gym, saying “hell yeah I pity the poor girl I’ll be slaying from the bar later.” Ask her embarrassing questions about her sex life, making sure to crack about the nerds she’s probably getting with. Trick her into looking at dick pics in your phone. In every way, reframe it so she is orbiting you.
This shit works, and it’s great practice – you can get away with a lot more because she is less willing to break it off with a friend than a random dude from the club. Just make sure she’s reacting with that mix of exasperation and good humor, and not genuine distaste. If she does the latter, why are you hanging out with her in the first place?
platonic girlfriend… fucking when both drunk, then not talking about it during the week…
Or, in the vernacular, what they call Holy Matrimony.
Seconded. I’ve got a cute tomboy friend. I keep her around to make my girlfriend jealous. She willingly plays along with this(girls LOVE such manipulative games).
It’s a two way bargain: I’ve had to persuade some of her discarded beta orbiters to move on with their lives, stop following her home, et cetera.
what do you think of this ‘self-rating’ quiz made for girls? I need your opinions because I want to rate my looks but I don’t want to ask people to rate me.
http://gotoquiz.com/the_1_10_looks_scale_self_test
thank you
The test seems flawed somewhere. I tried to score a 100% for a girl and maxed out at 67%. My tastes aren’t one-third subjective compared to the standard model.
I think there is a modifier built-in to preempt self-esteem issues (both on the high end and low end). In other words, not scientific. These studies hide the subjectivity deeper than simply wild-guessing the resulting number. That doesn’t make it any more accurate than a subjective judgment of a still, 2D image, just more difficult to detect the bullshit, as it is buried in assumptions like, “huge eyes” are 3.8 points better than “larger-than-normal eyes.”
Further, without drifting into the “eye of the beholder” lie, there is more than the physical to account for composite attraction. Finally, bodies in motion (4D) add and detract substantially from an abstract motionless (2D) self-assessment.
The real problem with making beauty assessments in our age isn’t the inescapably subjective component, but rather our ideologically tainted standards of beauty. What we know to be beautiful has been called ugly, and if that lie is perpetuated for decades and generations, we eventually lose our ability for true judgment, setting our minds against our senses. “Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?”
Matt
During high school, I was a total (higher-)beta nerd. I was LJBFed, but I didn’t want to hear complaints about their sex life, I used to tell imaginary stories about MY sex life (I’m a pathological liar so it helped afterwards). And once a girl who friendzoned me asked me if another guy she heard about that I knew was hawt.
I simply answered : “I can’t tell you that. I’m not your girlfriend”.
I never spoke to her again, and something started to change inside me that day. Soon after, I stumbled upon the Mystery Method. I escaped from my beta era rather unscathed, and I did fine in college.
feelsgoodman
The only problem with this advice: while it would likely work, anyone who could actually implement it wouldn’t be in this type of relationship. Anyone who tries it is going to see it blow up in their faces.
Although it’s probably worth the try anyway as a first step to becoming the type of person who wouldn’t get sucked into orbit in the first place.
Actually, this seems like something that would require more game than it would take to approach.
Which is probably to the point, as it’s easier to replace them than it is to chase them.
Applicable Commandments of Poon:
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
VI. Always keep two in the kitty
XI. Be irrationally self-confident
XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little
XV. Maintain your state control
XVI. Never be afraid to lose her
All of these are 10x easier to follow whenever you do not try a strategy like this.
That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!
It’s better to not be an orbiter in the 1st place but nice post.
Another use for ‘undercover orbiter’ is when you’re trying to bang friends of friends. If you meet several girls, want to bed them all, but they know about each other, I found that going for all at once rarely works with any particular one. Just personal experience. Focus on one, flirt with the rest (be a very lightweight orbiter), see what happens with the one, then focus on the next. If you do it right there’s a good chance you’ll be able to tap several girls in the same social circle before the gig is up (and even then it’s usually up only temporarily). Making yourself an ‘alpha orbiter’ for maximum ROI can be quite profitable.
This is the correct use of that strategy. Kudos hyyy fyyyyveeeee
You better make sure you bang like Dionysus if you bang one of her friends because chicks compare notes.
It’s a whole lot easier to put in a sub par performance with a stranger than a member of a gaggle.
I agree. I remember one of my colleagues wasnt quite up to par with to tap this hot Romanian sales exec. That pretty much blew his chances with the rest !
I’d suggest that it is critical that the orbiter fucks her to a lump of flesh and juices to establish his potential “alphaness”. This will come handy with the distancing protocol the hamster will spin of charts and with significant certainty the orbiter will get another fuck.
Great article. I would add one technique to the arsenal in this case: disqualification.
“You’re not my type.
“We don’t have much sexual tension.”
“It wouldn’t work between us. We’d just be using each other for sex.”
Add in some triangulation, as in the fact that she’s already involved and/or you’re also actively charming her hot friends/roommates/coworkers, and it is a recipe for some sexual heat from your “LJBF.”
Use with caution–girls who put you in the friend zone first, then see you sexually, usually want to put you firmly into the LTR position because now you check all her boxes (ha!) for both compatibility and sexual chemistry.
Use with caution–girls who put you in the friend zone first, then see you sexually, usually want to put you firmly into the LTR position because now you check all her boxes (ha!) for both compatibility and sexual chemistry.
See Holy Matrimony, as above.
Some beta orbiters are actually alphas in the woman’s eyes. (I played that role many times before I learned I was hot.) Several women played the “I’m fucking him” card on me that I later found out were faking (a couple were heartborken when I told them I was in love with someone else.) These are probably the betas that can convert the women.
Several women played the “I’m fucking him” card on me that I later found out were faking (a couple were heartborken when I told them I was in love with someone else.)
Could you elaborate? The “I’m fucking him” card, as you put it, is generally recognized as telling you that you have no chance, and that if they were “heartbroken”, they were disappointed at losing their orbiter. (Remember, women display feelings at a much lower threshold than men do, generally.)
http://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Primitive-Inquiry-Political-Correctness/dp/0765805375
Tenth most popular Christmas list request in the UK: a dad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/9764688/A-dad-is-tenth-most-popular-Christmas-list-request-for-children.html
All females should think about this before opening their legs to someone who isn’t committed to them.
Most females believe that a dad isn’t necessary, and since they’re the ones either divorcing or fucking the guy willingly… I’d bet the percentage of them who truly don’t understand there won’t be a father around is in the minority. Unfortunately.
And yet you don’t spread your legs to guys that would commit to you. So what are you implying, we already bought that lie once you really think we’re gonna buy it a second time?
Please, stop selling your truth-twisting to yourself or to us. No one is buying it. You think that committing to women makes a man beta. That’s a joke. Men can commit and still be as alpha as hell. We will open our legs to men that rule us, but also commit to us.
A woman has the best sexual experience with an alpha that can have as many women as he wants but chooses to commit to her thereby developing her trust for him, not an unsophisticated cad/lute she meets in a bar who promises to give her a sexual experience she will never forget only to end up with a Tucker Max who thinks of himself first and if he can get the girl off too he’s fine with it, but it’s an afterthought for him. Only idiotic sluts fall for Tucker Max or men like him. Indeed, you don’t need to commit to such women. Maybe it’s time to look for better quality girls.
I’ve tried a variation of this that Krauser calls “Long Game”….I use that mostly for girls in my social circle where I can build up tension without my usual hard dominance.
The difference is by offering this mix i’m usually a bit more successful longer-term in keeping these women in my own orbit.
The ones I game hard usually spikes attraction, bang them but then they often get spooked because i’ve over-gamed them.
This was written about here about a previous post i did called “The Player Vibe”.
Being a good looking higher beta, I was never was a beta orbiter because most of my female friends who were coworkers and were either married or in relationships most of the time were interested in me.But I was bit of a knucklehead as I didnt realize that these women were giving very strong IOIs, I remember dropping off this married friend of mine- a Muslim chick- at her house during Ramadan and she asked me if I wanted to come up for “coffee”(Ramadan hours are for fasting) and she told me during the ride that was her husband wouldnt be home until much later.I stupidly reminded her about Ramadan! And the friendship slowly fizzled off,especially after I quit the company.
This was but one example of many female friends of mine I shouldve banged but was too stupid to notice any IOIs.In such cases, rarely did any of them want to be friends with me anymore.I suppose the “rejection” was too much to bear.
Now that I am self employed, I usually take the traditional route of banging the chicks I meet on day game rather than coworkers and doing the nightclub thing(which I frankly loathe)…..I cant say I have any real female friends left!
Forgot to ask, anyone else here inadvertently LJBFd a hot chick? Did you share the same experience in that the said that chick doesnt want to deal with you again be it a sex interest or a gay boyfriend/girlfriend.
I’ve never understood the “Let’s just be friends” deal. I’ve been offered that position twice in my life, and instantly rejected it both times. I wasn’t subtle. I unequivicably stated, “I’m not interested in being your friend.” The first time was when I was going through a divorce. The second was when I broke it off with a girlfriend about 2 years after my divorce.
I don’t know why a man would ever want to be “friends” with a lady he’s fucking. I have friends who are women. I’ve even had close, attractive, female friends. But I was never interested in them as potential bed-mates. But even those females dropped out of my life once they found husbands. The husbands recognized me as a “leader” and didn’t want the competition. I completely understood that, and never tried to make an issue of it.
I’m a guy who is used to being in charge. I choose who my friends are, and I choose who I will pursue as a sexual conquest. And I don’t mix the two categories. Why anyone would do that completely escapes me.
+1
I don’t usually comment here but I see that nobody has stated the obvious so I will.
In fact, the beta orbiter strategy has some sense. Passingby explains how it worked 10,000 years ago.
Today is not that different but the beta orbiter doesn’t wait months to get his “prize”. He waits some years until the woman approaches “The Wall” and alphas stop paying attention to her. Then, when the biological clock is ticking, the woman is willing to marry the beta. This marriage is likely to end in divorce when the woman is through with her reproduction and starts chasing alphas again.
Betas are the men women want to save for later, just in case Mr. Alpha doesn’t commit. Meanwhile, they can extract emotional support and favors from them. Don’t be this chump.
When I was 17 I made a deal with a really good girl “friend” that if we both weren’t married by 30, we would get hitched…
Hahaha I wish I could slap 17 year old me in the balls.
I need help asap. Im a virgin and i’ve been trying to loose it i have very little experiance with women. And it seems like a fuck up every chance i get! I just dont understand what im doing wrong
Start with the book, Magic Bullets.
While I don’t think men (or women for that matter) should accept the role of orbiter in the life of anyone they sincerely want to be with, there is a basic point to be made about the necessity of presence.
Men who don’t truly understand women are foolish in this way. We women love who is in our lives *at the moment.* If a man isn’t willing to stay there once he gets there, he loses our love to someone else. PUA and Manosphere types expound that no woman is special. It is equally true that no man is special and that he can be just as easily replaced. While some things *become* more special than others, they have to be maintained. Many men have this idea that they can leave and then pick right up with women where they left off. It isn’t true. In the passage of time, for better or worse, with the opportunity to do so, women move on. There is a window of opportunity and it must be seized and capitalized upon or it grows cold.
This is not to say that women are not loyal or honorable given the right structure. They should never be tested in this manner in the first place. A man who truly loves a woman would never allow her to learn her true fickle nature. A woman would never be so sure of a man’s love for her as to leave him in the company of a bunch of tens for any amount of time and assume things would stay the same between them.
We cannot expect superhuman, and unnecessary, efforts from each other. When people decide they want to be together, they must understand it is a choice to remove themselves from other temptation and it will be an undertaking to sustain what they have cultivated. Instead of ditching people the moment anything seems like work, we need to remember that the greatest things we ever achieve take the most time and effort.
spin hamster, spin to your heart’s content
#Cassandra sighed
“it has to be maintained…” As in high-maintenance… yeah it’s called diminishing return on investment. PUAs create the magic ‘moment’ in a laughable fraction of the time, close the deal, and bail when it she gets uncooperative.
Tits or GTFO.
How udderly unoriginal
It’s still effective… and it never gets old.
Besides, I do wanna see your tits. Not that I’m particularly attracted to you, I just believe that females should show their tits when they’re talking.
That sounds reasonable enough. But, I’m not talking; I’m typing
We’ve just established what kind of woman you are. Now we’re just splitting hairs.
Oh, don’t be silly. And stay away from my hair!
Keep typing — you’re a gentle, thoughtful, and superbly literate sweetheart of a girl.
Take care.–
A compliment that generous says as much good about the person who gives it as the person who receives it
Not only unoriginal, but childlike and unsophisticated; hardly effective.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Tits or GTFO.
You really don’t want to see them. They are long sagging boobs that look like two macaroni strings hanging from my chest. Here they are – it’s a must unsee.
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-04-07/hagen_woman_joint.jpg
Think about how many species died out for lack of a good tit?
It took some good ones to get us to where we are today.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JQCA3UXbDBs/TLpzUxjP_MI/AAAAAAAAGTw/C0GzLA-RAHE/s1600/african-tribal-tits.jpg
“They should never be tested in this manner in the first place.”
I Think there is a significant difference whether woman will jump for another man as soon as i turn my back, and the one that will wait for much more.
Moreover most women won’t be able to learn about their fickle nature after a thousand encounters eyes to eyes with it…
That is what testing is all about – yes we know she’ll fall – but how quick, is a real question. And that’s what determines slut from keeper.
Why isn’t that obvious?
I can love her all i want if she’s a slut. It’s all in vein than, because she’ll leave me once she gets the chance to cheat.
If i don’t know how does she acts in male company i’m the blue pill monkey waiting to be dumped… In my experience before you see her in action there isn’t many things by which you could assess level of someone’s slutiness.
“We cannot expect superhuman, and unnecessary efforts from each other”,
Is it unnecessary when you have kids, and have to go work somewhere where she and kids can’t go? Her not being a slut and not prone to frequent such places would be a deal maker.
Sure i give you that, that you shouldn’t give up on first sight of work if you are already tied to her by kids…
Yes, there is a great range of behavior in terms of loyalty and I do agree with you that testing to some extent is needed.
It shouldn’t take much to ascertain its not a coincidence.
I’m curious from your reply if you consider children the only reason to establish committments with women.
well it’s all pretty much intertwined. If i find a nice girl that resonates with my way of thinking, and is sympathetic with my life mission, also throw in a little bit of attraction, and that’s it, commitment is what i would have sought.
It’s not also that i’m insisting on finding all of these traits in perfect condition in order to seek something more, but all of it has to be there.
If the question was about seeking non sexual commitment from women, yes i’ve found them to be great social asset, since guys tend to respect you more if you’re constantly hanging around 9s and 10s. These women can also in times extract resources from men, and i myself may get a hand on these extracted resources by knowing these girls. If some other girl has some resources i think i can get it quite easily – and than it’s my turn to share…
To remain in the presence of hot girls you have to shine a lot of the times, and that as i can see produces a lot of disdain in other men, but on the contrary a lot of sympathy in almost all of the women that are exposed to moments of my charisma.
What i managed to notice is that in high school – i was very popular with guys, nearly all of the girls hated me(for being jerk and so) – except the hottest ones. Now when i’m on a college, the script has turned.
Now most of the girls like me, the hottest ones especially, but most of the guys can hardly stand me – except those most influential that at least don’t express it that openly – most of the time.
It seems to me that some kind of mutual orbiting has developed between me and my girl – friends (one setting is a 10, with a 9). All of the why do they keep socializing with me are charisma, intelligence, dominance, constant flirting, distinctiveness… They all have either husbands or boyfriends much older than me, and i simply because of my faith don’t want to cheat, though flirting and kino are constantly there. So to summarize i think that in the future i will befriend a lot of girls/women but for practical purposes(social proof, but also emotional needs, and probably lack of associates. What their agenda will be i can’t tell, but so far, as i can see their relations with me have been fueled with sexual energy the most(also i used to be the most humoristic person around…)…
Thank you for your reply, Alexander.
“If i find a nice girl that resonates with my way of thinking, and is sympathetic with my life mission, also throw in a little bit of attraction, and that’s it, commitment is what i would have sought.
It’s not also that i’m insisting on finding all of these traits in perfect condition in order to seek something more, but all of it has to be there”
It is nice to see people with realistic goals and I join you in them. Perfection in God, acceptance in people.
Russia held a roadrace for women wearing 3.5″ high heels. Note how competing required skills not taught in America.
http://highheelsaddicted.blogspot.com/2008/04/high-heel-race.html
A woman puts on a high-heeled shoe during a high-heel race in St.Petersburg July 21, 2007. Some 100 women took part in the race wearing high-heeled shoes with a required minimum height of 9 centimetres (3.5 inches) to compete for a shopping voucher worth 50,000 roubles (about 2000 U.S. dollars). (Reuters Photo)
They do things right in Russia.
Young males who want to learn game can benefit from orbiting hot girls if they implement a utilitarian strategy:
When a fatty AKA practice girl calls you ugly, use your female friend to keep your confidence high. It’s an unwritten rule that all hot girls must compliment their beta orbiters.
When you fall for a girl and are tempted to text her, shoot a text to your friend instead. This will provide you with the dopamine your brain desires while allowing you to maintain an aloof image with the target girl.
When a girl you are fucking stops responding to your texts, hang out with your friend and bask in her feminine attention. This will prevent depression and ONEitis.
Lotsa girls on here today, hmm. In case you are looking for a last second gift idea for your bf…
http://youngmanredpill.wordpress.com/2012/12/25/why-you-should-give-your-boyfriend-a-box-for-christmas/
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“to befriend girls that one would like to fuck must have some utility for some men some of the time, or it wouldn’t exist in the state of nature. ”
These days, it’s because dads who got married by using the strategy tell their sons that it will work, or women who don’t actually understand what attracted them to their husbands in the first place tell young men (their sons, or their friends) that they really like that their husband is their friend.
Regarding when women give the LJBF to their beta orbiters, something I wrote elsewhere:
In my experience, LJBF happens the first time the guy actually makes a non-deniable pass at the girl. Having been there myself, and looking back, it was clear that I’d never explicitly propositioned the girl before getting to LJBF. So, aside from the idea that girls are socialized to not say “no”, there’s quite often nothing explicit to say “no” to!
From the girl’s point of view, here’s this guy who’s hanging around her, they have a good time talking, and maybe being a little physical (never gets to even a kiss, or removing clothes, though), and then, after a few months of this, out of the blue, the guy either asks her on a “date” (using that word), or makes an unmistakeable pass which says (usually in a few more words) “I wanna fuck you”. She doesn’t see all those months of hanging out as “investment” in her, or even as the guy working up the courage to make a pass at her, she sees it as something coming out of nowhere. Because if he had wanted to fuck her all along, why the hell didn’t he make that obvious going in, like any normal (alpha-ish) guy?
Note – if she *is* aware that it took the guy months to work up to making a pass at her, it’s *even worse*, because now she *knows* he’s a coward.