Feminists like to point to statistics that supposedly show that divorced women experience a fall in their standard of living as proof that wives are reluctantly initiating divorces to get out of marriages to ill-behaving husbands. There are two problems with this highly misleading statistic (assuming the stat is true in the sense it is being used):
1. The presumption that women are thinking through the long-term and less tangible financial consequences of divorce when the short-term and more tangible incentives are all in the woman’s favor.
A woman who knows she will get half, the house, and custody with child support thinks she will hit the jackpot in the event of divorce, because those rewards are immediate and tangible. She won’t be as likely to think through the prospect of diminished career potential or sexual market value. Incentives matter in human behavior, and front-loaded incentives matter more than downstream disincentives.
2. The drop in a divorced woman’s standard of living, if true, is likely based on a faulty comparison with her standard of living while she was married. The better and more relevant comparison is between the standard of living of a divorced woman and her life as a single woman before she got married. Do divorced women live better than they did as single women BEFORE they got married? That is the useful metric which will shed light on whether divorce really is a bad economic decision for women.
In related news, Jason Malloy’s data at The Inductivist on divorce initiation and reasons given is illuminating:
Assuming that those who assign blame are the ones that initiated the divorce, and had a “good” reason:
Wive initiate 70% of divorce and blame the husband 40% of the time. (60% of female initiated divorce is unprovoked)
Husbands initiate 30% of divorce and blame the wife 21% of the time.
(79% of male initiated divorce is unprovoked)
23% of divorces are males “trading-up”
28% of divorces are males “screwing-up”
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51% of divorces due to men42% of divorces are females “trading-up”
7% of divorces are females “screwing-up”
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49% of divorces due to womenSo women are much more likely to “trade-up,” but men are much more likely to “screw-up”. And the two cancel each other out. Both men and women are seemingly responsible for about half of divorces.
This should put to rest the feminist and white knight lapdog lie that men are primarily responsible for marital failure because they aren’t “manning up”, or are behaving irresponsibly. (Paging Charles Murray…) Women really do initiate at least half the cases of divorce because their husbands have turned unattractively beta, or because they have crossed paths with a more desirable alpha male and indulged their instincts.
Indeed, if we restrict our focus to the under-acknowledged role of female hypergamy in sexual marketplace functioning, then it should be obvious that a major cause of divorce in this country — women trading up — has gone almost entirely unreported and unremarked upon by the discourse gatekeepers, aka Lords of Lies.
Furthermore, and most shockingly to feminist and manboobed sensibility, a strong argument can be made that in the moral calculus defining parameters of blame for marital dissolution, “trading up” is a much worse impetus for divorcing than is “screwing up”. After all, a woman who is compelled to trade up is turning her back completely on her marriage and the vows she made to her husband. In contrast, a man who screws up by, say, partaking of a one night stand or drinking too much, has not necessarily turned his back completely on his marriage, though his screw up may convince his wife that the union is not worth sustaining.
I think, given the nature of the data and the differing biological predispositions among men and women to weigh the gravity of sexual infidelity and emotional infidelity unequally, that it is fair to say women are the prime drivers of the divorce industrial complex, and that this fact, for reasons that go to the heart of the equalist utopia project and feminist prerogative, is actively ignored and suppressed by the commentariat and legal system.
But not anymore. Heh heh heh.
For more on this subject and a debate over the precision of Malloy’s data, check out this post and comment thread.
Update
wfprice makes a good point about the way feminists use standard of living statistics misleadingly:
I tend to reject the statistic, because it usually refers to a feminist study from the 1980s (when academic feminism had carte blanche to make things up). However, it’s true that a woman’s income often looks low on paper following divorce. This is because child support, child tax credits, EIC, property transferred to woman from ex-husband and other benefits are not counted as income. In the meanwhile, it looks like a man’s expenses have gone down, because he no longer gets to claim these expenses on his tax returns. The truth, however, is that she gets all of the supposed increase in his living standard and then some directly in her pocket. The statistic is so deliberately dishonest that it ought to be called what it is: a lie.
Divorce is deliberately set up to ensure that women lose as little as possible when leaving their marriage for whatever reason. Men, of course, are punished no matter what the reason.
A good rule of thumb is to just start with the working assumption that anything which falls out of a feminist’s craggy mouth is a lie.
The reaction of certain quarters to men’s rights has been fascinating to me from an observer’s perspective. The obstinately blind who think men’s rights advocates are whiners really need to get a grip on the fact that the family court system is arrayed against men’s interests. It is grossly unfair to men in its favoritism toward women. Some systemic injustices really are injustices, and not just figments of some broken person’s imagination or examples of confirmation bias.
As I have explained before, there is a very good evolutionary reason why this state of affairs has emerged and persists with little push back from women *or* men: in the unrestricted playgroud of nature, men are disposable. (And women are perishable. Hi, PA!) One man can do the reproductive job of 1,000 men, if necessary. Our hindbrains have evolved over millennia to reflect this biological reality, and it manifests in the ease with which we send young men to war but recoil at the prospect of doing the same to young women, in the compulsion to blame marital breakups on men no matter the facts and to excuse women’s misdeeds, in the quickness with which men’s natural sexual urges are demonized and demagogued while women’s natural sexual urges are lauded as steps toward empowerment and self-actualization, in the permissible bias in family courts against men and for women, in the relative lack of concern for jailed and destitute deadbeat dads compared to the outpouring of sympathies for struggling single moms and divorced women, and in the full weight of societal opprobrium levied against male caddishness in contrast to the revulsion and willful ignorance expressed for confronting female sexual nature, hypergamy and all, honestly and openly.
I could go on with examples of this sex-based disparity in empathy for pages.
Since these are hindbrain reactions, I don’t expect logic or concepts of fairness to appeal to anyone except the victims. Best you can do is what I have done: get all the love and sex and intimacy without the legal Dame-ocles sword swinging over your head. The best feminist is a disarmed feminist.
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Plato in the Republic said the biggest obstacle to an elite ruling animal debased masses was an inconvenient thing called the “middle class”
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2009/08/the-difficult-class/
You must therefore BREAK THE BACK of the white heterosexual European derived American male – the primary member of this “difficult class”
You do this by handing over the power of the state to the female – and allow her hypergamous instincts to run free when she wants to “trade up”. Enter “no fault divorce” and “half goes to the wife” enshrined in Amerikkan Law, by the Harvard Law profs from Scarsdale
Also– the biggest opponent of the One World State is also this same target = the white heterosexual male.
Everything is being arrayed, and has been arrayed, since the 1960′s, against him, to break Public Enemy #1
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Openmarket.org reportsssszzz “University administrators are the equivalent of subprime mortgage brokers,” notes Facebook investor (and founder of Paypal) Peter Thiel, “selling you a story that you should go into debt massively, that it’s not a consumption decision, it’s an investment decision. Actually, no, it’s a bad consumption decision. . . Vast amounts of money are spent by American colleges on useless administrators and politically correct indoctrination. For many people, college no longer pays off as an investment.
Forbes.com reprots “For a consummately educated guy, Peter Thiel (paypal founder) is derisive about American colleges and universities. In his view they’ve become too politically correct (he and David Sacks argued as much in their 1997 book, The Diversity Myth), hobbling the hard sciences as well as the humanities. Schools have created a classic bubble, says Thiel: Inflation-adjusted spending on administration per student jumped 61% between 1993 and 2007, while the number of administrators per 100 students rose 39%, reports the Goldwater Institute. Student debt levels fill Thiel with disgust. “It is pretty much the only form of indentured servitude in the U.S.,” he says.
—http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0214/features-peter-thiel-social-media-life-after-facebook_5.html
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http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html
Why are Female Executives Publishing Tucker Max?
Saw this floating around. good question!
MCCOY MOUNTAIN
ART, FILM, & LITERATURE GUILD OF AMERICA
Ms. Priscilla Painton
Simon & Schuster Editor in Chief
RE: ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, Secretive Tapings of Anal Sex without The Girl’s Consent, Corporate Douchebaggery, and the Epic Failure of I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like “get away from me or I’m going to carve another fuck hole in your torso”, what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. –http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max ‘s controversial ad campaign . Yeah, that poster on the right says, “Blind Girls Never See You Coming.” Va fan culo, indeed.” –http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Dear Ms. Painton,
I and my colleagues in the ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD have a couple questions regarding the direction you are taking Simon and Schuster in. Why are you guys/gals hating on art, literature, culture and America? It was recently brought to our attention that you are intent on publishing Tucker Max’s ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, and that your company actually gave him a $300,000 advance for his fart art. As the editor in chief of Simon and Schuster, owned the CBS corporation, do you truly believe Assholes Finish First? It is oft said that girls like “bad boys.” Does Tucker’s fart art douchebag wit titillate and excite you? Is that why you are publishing and profiting from it? Did you laugh during Tucker’s recent film flop when what’s-his-name stated that overweight women aren’t real people? Do you smile smugly when your billion-dollar corporation profits from douchebaggery?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system “The ads were poetic ditties of white text on a black background . Like: “Blind girls never see you coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding).””
“Over at the Washington, D.C., premiere, Max’s video minion ridicules both Vietnamese and African-American women, the former for being employed as a pedicurist, and the latter for having a name he finds funny.”
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Do you enjoy profiting from making fun of Asians and overweight women? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
http://tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com
Does this make you laugh Ms. Painton? It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and CBS and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First . At most it will bring in a few pennies, which will lead everyone to conclude that you and CBS aren’t in it for the money, but just the debauchery and destruction of the culture. As Tucker Max pointed out, the feminist movement empowered women and gave them the right to choose the art they affiliated with and promote. So now, with all the power in your hands, what will you chose on behalf of women all over the world? Please do us proud and choose the right thing.
“The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).””
–http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Why is corporate America, under your direction Ms. Painton, forcing epic “Richard Kelly” fail fart art and film on the common public? Do you also find secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent to be entertaining and titillating art?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system
Let’s talk for a sec about something Tucker glamorizes and pretends is funny in his ‘book’: filming a naked women in his bedroom without her consent. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that while he’s doing this he is coaxing the girl to have anal sex with him, an exploitative act that a guy like him probably especially enjoys.
–http://www.bitchmagazine.org/post/douchebag-decree-marketing-tucker-max
– http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/11/the-rapiest-quotes-from-i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/
“OK, we can try anal sex , but I want it to be special and romantic. …. process: I was going to fuck her in the butt and film it without her consent ,” — http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/tucker_tries_buttsex_hilarity_does_not_ensue.phtml
Do you and the CBS Corporation find this entertaining? As you know, sodomy is a sin in the Old Testament as is sex out of wedlock and fornication. What is your motivation in working with those who promote and profit from secretive tapings of anal sex?
Do you find such “literature” and “art” to be representative of Simon and Schuster and CBS?
“In one of his most notorious pieces, he convinces a girl to have anal sex and tapes it without her consent.” — http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/08/tucker_max/
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like “get away from me or I’m going to carve another fuck hole in your torso”, what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. –http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
Ms. Painton–do you find that entertaining? Is it good literature? Do you consider demeaning stories about having sex with midgets good literature? Do you consider it good business to make fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities so as to bolster your bottom line?
What is driving you to publish Assholes Finish First ? What are your motivations? Money? America does not want Tucker Max, as demonstrated this past weekend at the boxoffice. Do you find these signs to be entertaining/a good CBS investment?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Is Tucker Max’s fan base the group that Simon & Schuster is seeking to serve under your leadership?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/14/tucker-max-too-sexist-for-ad-space/
It seems that America believes otherwise as Richard Kelly and Tucker Max’s I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell has proven to be a colossal artistic and financial failure.
“Not faring so well, however, was the Tucker Max adaptation I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, which took in $369,000 from 120 theaters with a well-below-average $3,075 per-screen average.” — http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEdXykfeBDXwhe
So Priscilla, please tell us about your douchetastic love affair with Tucker Max and his fart art. Does it really titillate you as a woman and feminist? Say it isn’t so! Is this good Simon and Schuster/CBS branding? Why did your massive billion-dollar corporation reward Tucker with a $300,000 advance?
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max ‘s controversial ad campaign . Yeah, that poster on the right says, “Blind Girls Never See You Coming.” Va fan culo, indeed.” –http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Does CBS and Simon & Schuster approve of registering fake email accounts to promote stories regarding secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent?
” The lack of traditional plugs forced Max to promote his web site and book via the internet. He would create fake e-mail accounts and then bombard entertainment sites and news aggregators with links to his material.” — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
For this, your billion-dollar corporation rewarded Tucker with a $300,000 advance.
“Max may have to concentrate on his agent style business moving forward because he’s running out of material. He’s received a $300,000 advance for a second version of his drunken, sexual exploits – a tome that will contain the stories not ripe enough for the first cut.” — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
Are you proud of Simon & Schuster and your corporation? Funding and encouraging hype, failure, douchebaggery, debauchery, lies, secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent, and making fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities. Is that what attracts you to Tucker Max, or is it the epic artistic and financial failure of his film?
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_hope_they_serve_beer_in_hell/
“I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell fails in its attempts at raunchy humor, and Tucker Max comes across so unlikable and outrageous that the film’s inevitable story arc feels forced.”
It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First .
Best,
McCoy Mountain & The ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD
–http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Will Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster still Publish *beep* Finish First?
the title makes no sense. *beep* might finish first in some silly women’s eyes, but they epic fail in reality, as demonstrated by tucker’s epic fart art film fail, which priscilla painton is pretendning not to notice.
What’s up with women these days?
It seems the more they run things, the more they try to force douchebag fart art on everyone:
Former ‘Time’ Exec. Relieves Venerable Editor Mayhew At Simon & Schuster
http://gawker.com/5002333/former-time-exec-relieves-venerable-editor-mayhew-at-simon–schuster
Anywho, does Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster have a personal vendetta against asians, minorities, overweight women, and little people?
Does she think tucker’s ads are cute and humorous?
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Does she get off on this?
“The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).”
Is that supposed to be funny?” –http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Is this the new face and culture of simon and schuster?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Does Priscilla Painton at Simon and Schuster giggle at secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent and also this:
http://www.penguinblogs.ca/davidson/archives/00000079.html
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com/2008/08/sillylittlefreak.html
http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/the_absinthe_donuts_story.phtml
“11:17: The girl starts saying something about what a horrible person I am. I stare at her, but I am not listening. I am preparing myself. I am B-Rabbit. This is the final battle rap. I will win the hostile crowd:
[I interrupt the fat girl] “Ward, I think you’re being a little hard on the Beaver, [as I point to each in turn] so is Eddie Haskell, Wally, and Miss Cleaver.”
[To the fat guy with greasy hair in the camo vest] “Look out everyone! It’s the Pillsbury Commando! Hey Chunk, when was the last time you washed your hair? Does it give you more hit points to have that grease helmet? I hate to break the news, but +5 defense only counts in Dungeons and Dragons.”
[To the ugly Asian girl] “Why you no rike me? You want me frip over? You no piss me off! ME FIND YOU IN POCKING ROT!! YOU NO TAKE MING ARIVE!!”
[To the small frail dork–I notice he has a lazy eye] “Dude–Look at me when I’m talking to you–BOTH EYES AT ONCE. Are you really this ugly or are you just playing? EVERYONE, BE CAREFUL, THIS GUY LURKS UNDER THE STAIRS AND TRIES TO LICK YOUR SHOES WHEN YOU PASS BY!”
[To the original fatty, pause for effect] “Why do you do this to yourself? WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF? Look, I’m gonna give you some advice-leave the party, take the geek squad with you, go to Denny’s, order about 10 Grand Slam Breakfasts, and eat your pain away. Won’t be the first time will it?”
11:19: I am finished. The kitchen is quiet, except for Eddie and Rich laughing. The four freaks are completely speechless. Everyone is staring at me. I blurt out, “WHAT? I’m pretty sure it’s what Jesus would’ve done.” Eddie and Rich promptly remove me from the kitchen.”
Is Priscilla Painton publishing tucker’s next book for the love of literature, art, or money?
‘Cause it seems that those who work with tucker generally hate and lose literature, art, and money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Painton
http://www.theladyfinger.com/2009/09/tucker-max-brings-his-misogyny-to-big.html
“What ensues, according the film’s trailer, is alcohol-fueled misogynistic mayhem. Max has sex with several women, including, to his smug satisfaction, a dwarf.”
See? That is the clever banker ruse.
Have women such as Priscilla fund and promote it, while others protest it, enriching the bankers as marriage is destroyed and the state is grown.
http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
“A Site about the Divorce Regime, Family Court Corruption,
and Government’s War on Fathers”
“The divorce regime is the most totalitarian institution ever to arise in the United States. Its operatives in the family courts and the social service agencies recognize no private sphere of life. “The power of family court judges is almost unlimited,” according to Judge Robert Page of the New Jersey family court. “Social workers are perceived to have nearly unlimited power,” a San Diego Grand Jury concludes. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Total immunity [enjoyed by social workers] is absolute power.”
The divorce regime is responsible for much more than “ugly divorces,” “nasty custody battles,” and other clichés. It is the most serious perpetrator of human and constitutional rights violations in America today. Because it strikes the most basic institution of any civilization – the family – the divorce regime is a threat not only to social order but to civil freedom. It is also almost completely unopposed. No political party and no politicians question it. No journalists investigate it in any depth. A few attorneys have spoken out, but they are eventually suspended or disbarred. Some academics have written about it, but they soon stop. No human rights or civil liberties groups challenge it, and some positively support it. Very few “pro-family” lobbies question it. This is because the divorce regime operates through money, political power, and fear.” — http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
–http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Have you seen/read END THE FED by Ron Paul? “Everyone must read this book–Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans–all Americans.”
–Vince Vaughn
When you think about it, Tucker Max was the Fed’s ultimate creation–a soulless, debased douchebag:
“My name is Tucker Max, and I am an *beep*
Think about it–Tucker’s motto @ http://tuckermax.com could be the Fed’s motto:
“I get excessively drunk via inflating the currency at inappropriate times, disregard social norms (funding feminism/debauchery & debasement of the family/currency/culture/tucker max(educated at the Fed’s University of Chicago’s School of Economics (school of freakanomics) and Duke scholarship)), indulge every whim/war, ignore the consequences of my actions/bubbles/bailouts, fund idiots and posers and tucker-max-like CEOs, sleep with more women than is safe or reasonable/luring them with fiat currency & a fiat-funded bus, and just generally act like a raging darko/douchebag/dickhead.”
What do you think of Ron Paul’s new book–End the Fed?
End the Fed
Review for End The Fed
“Rarely has a single book not only challenged, but decisively changed my mind. “
–Arlo Guthrie
“Everyone must read this book–Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans–all Americans.”
–Vince Vaughn
Vince Vaughn is a far, far better actor/director/writer than Tucker Max, so it makes sense that Tucker and his jealous friends at the Fed detest Arlo Guthrie and Vince Vaughan as well as art, film, and literature.
The book has much better reviews and is far-higher ranked than Tucker’s douchey books/film/trailer–Five solid stars!
Why do you donnie darko douchos/cbs haterz hate on art, the Constitution, morality, goodness, sound money, peace, prosperity, love, the family, kindness, and Ron Paul so much?
And like the Fed, tucker privatizes all the profits of his private jet while sharing all the risk with his volunteer employees, who work for free.
“Feminism which espoused “women’s rights” actually has driven femininity underground, torn the sexes asunder, and stripped woman of recognition for being wives and mothers, roles essential to their own fulfillment, to men, and to children and society.” –http://www.savethemales.ca/
– http://www.amazon.com/Save-Males-Matter-Women-Should/dp/1400065798
GBFM: Still better than a college education.
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zlzoozlzolzolzol it’s contagious!!
but it is spread through teh brain unlike da deosuling of womenz da fed’s deouslsing of uoru futrue wives which is spread via tuceklr max hrhyem iwth godalmns sax buttehxt lzlzolzozozoz
lzozozol “Ah…. but a few know the score, but only sense dat der butt is sore lzozolzlzo”
when modenr womenz hit 30 dey ask two questions, “where have all the good menz gone and why is my butt sore?” lzozozolzo
or “why does my jaw always hurt??”
Three questions ever American woman asks when they hit thirty:
1. Why does my butt hurt?
2. Why does my jaw hurt?
3. Where are all the good men?
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No. They are against the men – and women – of ability , the ones who earn trough their own efforts, no matter race, creed, ot sexuality.
lzozozozozlzo concentration camps coming back, payback for WWII, you snooze you lose:
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxE-A8gNGHw&w=560&h=315
I will refer GBFM’s stunning analysis of the fiat monetary system to my colleagues at the Cato Institute, in little time they will be arguing in front of the Supreme Court against bernanke’s using fiat debt and keynesian butthex to incentivize the divorce state to hire womenz as sales girls for the Fed who help bernanke convert their ex-husbands physical assets into fiat dollarz as means to keep bernanke’s dystopian scam of paper money going a little while longer.
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FINALALY sosmenboyd is catching on!!! lzozozllzol
I HAVE PREPARE A SPEECH FOR CONGETRH!!!!!!!! lzozozlzolzoz
here is tissit
FOUR SCORE AND SEVEN YEARS AGO lozzozollz
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal, but that some our more equal than others, and thusly have the right to butthext your future wife in secretly taped sessions of analcocking zlzozozlozzo.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated to butthext for the bernankifieierz, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation of sodomites and sectrive tapers of sodomy funded by da fed lzolzozlzo might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow –we cannot buttyhetx — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor butthexual power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what your wife said in college, but it can never forget what they did to her butthole. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished butthextual work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that butthextual cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom to butthexts other men’s fture wives by da tuycker naxers whyem with godolmans saxers zlzozlzzl– and that government of the butthexters, by the butthetetxters, for the butthehetxtxterzzz , shall not perish from the earth lzozozzozlzolzoz.
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here is an essay i have penened for teh cATO ISNTSTETEUE cato insistituet’s kock koch borther’s scolayr journalals of great estteemeeable repute!!! zlzoozozozoz
how da university works: feminism = debt & debauchery & divorce & Desecration machine/army lzozlzlzlzlzlgh weo
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univeristies are at the tip (tit lzozlzlzoz) of our debt empire
over the past thirty years or so univeristies desouled women in prima noctae assocking sessins (some of tehm secretly taped iwthout thei girls conthent as the neocons like it best) and they sent the army forth to 1) transfer assetts form menz, 2) destory the family, 3) murder 50,000,000 unborn innocent souls, 4) hype and sell sub prime loans while wearing short skirts lzozlzlzlzllzlzlz 5) lure men into marriage iwth their coconpirators the ministers who front the legal system that does what no pimp would wever do–charge men for past use of a pussy lzolsoslslslslslslslslsls
the fembot army;s main corporate state job is to create debt debauchery destiutution debt divorce deconstruction and devastation lzozlzlzlz
and they have succeeded!! lzozlzlzlzlzlzl
today our debt deficit will be greater than the gnp!!!!1
the feminsimt movement cooinnded with the largest greatest increase of debt ever known to namankinds lzozlzlzlzl this is because womenz who stamp their little feet and bitch and complain and tranfer and destory welath and say “me me m em e more material welath for me me me me for my gina!!!! it’s for the children (even though women aborted/killed/vacuumed 50,000,000 fetuss by their choice alone) lzozlzlz it takes a village–fund my village where we get to bang alphas and the betas pay for it whether we cuckold them in tehir homes or via the welfare state zlozlzozlzzlzl” and they bitch and complain and talk about handbags and butthex and twilight vampires and enocurage girls to long for and lust after undead bloodsucking vampire twilight monsters and butthexing douchebags and otehr things which make their bginas tingle repalced menz at univeristies menz who built invent iengineer buuikld invent reason truth write great books read great bookz think lzozlzl eb=engineer lzozlzlzozlzl replaced exaltation eand greatness with bdebt debuachery destitution lzozlz
short beta men rose fast in teh unievristy as they were handed fiat bernanke cash fronm helicopter ben and they used it to surrpound themselves with syocphantic harems of womenze as all teh betas love honor worship tucker max their ultimate master because he rhymes with goldman sax and also he butthexes girls and films it woithout teh girlths ocnthent and the weekly stanadrd neocns repeat his lies lzozlzlzlzzl that he is six foot tall zlozzlzllzlzlzlzl honoring their #1 butthexual hero lzozlzlzl
so anyeways teh fiat masters trianed owmen in the arts of divorce debuachery deseefxation destruction lozlzolzlzlz and abortion and debt creation, and as womenze rose to power on teh ffront lines of the epreemptive wars against teh unborn they murdered 50,000,000 since rose vs. wade they deconstructed and debuached tehc ulture on campuses as when yhou put womenze in charge it soons becomes all butthex all the time as priscilia paintion woemnze editor in chief of simon and schuster is publishing tucker max’s next book zlzolslssslslsoslsoslzozlzlzlzlz c hecks che-=checks it out peoples are saying and speaking out about the way womenze are debucahing defiling and butthexing the culture lozlzlzlzlzl:
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/how-da-university-works-feminism-debt-debauchery-divorce-desecration-machinearmy-lzozlzlzlzlzl/
First of all, what the hell is “unprovoked divorce”? STAY TOGETHER! Sheesh.
My state is a father friendly one (which I am in support of) in which most fathers will get fifty percent custody if they request it. (The fact that my ex-husband did not is fairly rare.) When that is the case, women will experience a reduction in standard of living because now the original couple is maintaining two residences instead of one and neither is paying the other child support since the custody is shared.
There are also cases where the women could be asked to pay spousal support since they are earning more than their former husbands (which was probably part of the problem with the marriage in the first place). And, one must take into consideration HOW people are spending their money. Are they focusing on taking care of the basics, for instance, or are they spending money in unnecessary areas and then feeling like their standard has fallen.
yes!
stay together sheeshshshshshhsh! lzlzozozo
stay together and pay your chucnky wife’s bills while whe gave er pussy and butthole freely when she was younge rhotter tighter and thirty pounds lighter! lzolzolzolzolzol
stay togetehr and pay her pbills while she chunks up and cuckholds you letting you hold your own cuck cockholing lzozzll sesososinsosn zlzozozolzo
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Ahhh, I can see you are a vise student of buttextedness tucker max rhmes with goldman sax…
HOWVER< should we tell da people of the other secret teachings lzozozol
Should we do it Heartiste?!
1. Da Secret Teaching Doesn’t Exist – It Is Whatever Gets The Tribe More Power At The Time lzozozol
“It is true that I have known Straussians almost all my life. And the one thing I was taught about them from the earliest age is that they are wrong. The person who taught me this was my father, an ancient historian who spent a good portion of his time at Cornell University in the 1960s arguing with Allan Bloom….
As best I can recall, their biggest point of contention was whether Plato was just kidding in The Republic. Bloom said he was just kidding. I later learned that this idea–that the greatest thinkers in history never mean what they say and are always kidding–is a core principle of Straussianism.
Anyway, my father said Plato was not kidding. The argument would go back and forth for hours, and in my memory it always ended with Bloom saying, “We’ll have to look at the text,” which was a great way of ending the discussion because there was no ancient Greek text of The Republic available in the Statler’s lunch room. So, as I saw it, and as my father saw it, that was sort of a surrender.”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/656lwsoy.asp
2. “The Virtues For Men” Pushed By Bill Bennett Are BS Fodder For For the Buttexted Masses; Meanwhile, The Elite Knows That True Manliness Is Nietzsche’s Nihilism
lzozozol – Speaking of Straussian Guru Harvey Mansfield, Harvard WASP teacher of Bill Kristol, Weekly Standard Editor/World Invader:
“It is odd, however, that Mansfield ….. while he opens and closes his book by apparently endorsing the teaching of Plato and Aristotle that virtue is rooted in nature, the central chapter of his book (Chapter 4) is devoted to the “manly nihilism” of Teddy Roosevelt and Friedrich Nietzsche.
He thus leaves his reader suspecting that the secret teaching of the book is the truth of “manly nihilism.”
“The most dramatic statement of manliness,” Mansfield asserts, “would be the one where the man is the source of all meaning,” which is nihilism (82). Nietzsche is “the philosopher of manliness in modern times” (110). Teddy Roosevelt is the best political expression of manly nihilism, particularly in the “assertiveness of executive power” (97).”
http://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/2006/05/mansfields-manly-nihilism.html
3. Victims who stay victims ultimately DESERVE to be destroyed lzolzolzolzolz – because there is plenty of time to realize who is victimizing you, and what to do about it
“Andrew Hamilton touched on these circumstances in his fine but depressing essay Prisoners of Fate?, quoting Franklin D. Roosevelt as saying “Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds. They have within themselves the power to become free at any moment.” Hamilton points out that “contrary to his words, Roosevelt’s speechwriters understood perfectly well that men’s minds are the prisoners of whoever controls the media of mass communications….. —I think the point is clear: Western man has been facing this kind of deception and manipulation for hundreds of years now. Yet today, unlike so often in the past, most Whites freeze like deer in the headlights of a car when confronted with evidence.”
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-Deceit.html
Wise and honest menz must learneth da secret secretz of da jewniversity. One must internalise the masterful memeticz jewdo and defend onezselves fromz the attackz!
Da niggaz dat gotz the earz to hear, let them hears!
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actually it’s not the jews, but da tucker maxers rhyems with goldman saxers zlzozlzozooz
the jewish heritage is against sodomy and seceretive tapings of butthext that tucker max rhyemes iwth goldman sax publishses an dprofifts off of.
da jews Moses said “THOU SHLAT NOT STEAL” lzozozlz so he would have been against th e FED as well as da tucker max rhyemes with godlman sax butthextyig lzozozozl
and jesus was a jew too lzozozlzzloz and da tucjker maxers rhyemesiwth goldman saxers killed jeeuss lzozoz
da federal reserve tucker maxers rhyemes with goldmans saxers are pro theft and pro butthext lzlzlozozo an dthus deny the teahcings of Moses and the Tlamud as dey secrtely tape butthext with your future wife without her conthent lzzozllzz
and for this they recieve hundresdds fo thousanads of bernnake dolalrz lozlzozozo
da Ben Bernakeez and da Alan Greenspamz and are well versed in the wayz of da Red Shield Protocolz and they sit seder with the Tucker butt Fucker Max and all his jewsies at Golden Ball Sachz and ingeniously devises da ways of the jewish BLOOD MORALITY! All the Simon mall jews sell all the Tucker Max copies and the shiny trinketz and the jews at Fred Meyer-Kroger sells all the FIATCARBZ ttto power the grrrrllz and the fiat-menschen!!!
No Irishez need Applies! No Eye-talismans either!
Mosezez!!!!!
Mosesez sayz one laws for the Jewz and one lawsies for the Gentile! And Maimonides quoteth the Rabboni and says the Gentile should not be lifted from the well! That’s what THE RING was ask about! Lolzzzoolllolz
Machstaat and Kulturstaat, BLOOD and BODEN for da jews in ERETZ-Y’ISRAEL and multi-kulturz, hades and da FRANKFURY ESCUELA for the goy boyz!
Grab a FRANKFURTERZ Adorno and shove it up their ads sayz da ghostz of Freud and Marx!
HA – GB4M(TM) you amuse me and give me the anal tingles!
Moses and Talmud – a fine decoy for dumb goyim!
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In meantime, dangerous goyische leaking our secrets GB4M (TM)!!!
“Deconstructing the rabbinic texts line by line, Michael Hoffman has discovered a terra incognita: Orthodox Judaism as the ideological survival of the most ossified traditions of Babylonian paganism, concealed beneath a complex system of dissimulation and misdirection. His unsparing thesis is a radical challenge to Judaism’s claims to Biblical provenance and probity.
Hoffman brings to this difficult task…a commitment to long years of personal study and research that will commend this work to all serious readers…I have found his scholarship to be a highly accurate reflection of both the spirit and the content of Talmudic writings… Robert Countess, PhD., Professor Emeritus of New Testament, Tennessee State University
PARTIAL LIST OF CONTENTS: Rabbinic hatred for the am ha-aretz – 29 Hatred for heretics – 49 Censorship – 74 Judaism and America – 86 Decoy texts – 124 The Principal Sources of the Divine Law of the Religion of Orthodox Judaism – 126 The Rabbinic Eras – 134
Deceit Mechanism – 136 Hermeneutic of Concealment – 149 Power Over the Court System – 153 Non-negotiable Rabbinic Dogma – 161 The Tarnish on Hillel’s Golden Rule – 163 Self-Perpetuating Legal and Textual Arcana – 168 Falsifying Scripture with Gezara Shava – 169 A Hedge Around the Law – 172 Permissible Dissimulation through Dispensational Revelation – 174 Self-Worship – 183 Masoretic Text Falsifies the Bible – 190 Tyranny and Priestcraft – 196 Hold Back Your Children from Higayon – 218 Dead Fetish Ritual: The Torah Scrolls – 223
The Talmud – A Lawyer’s Book – 233 From Kabbalah to Aggadah: A Sexual Progression – 237 Pagan Reincarnation Dogma in Orthodox Judaism – 242 Hasidic Paganism – 254 Sex Magic Part II – 256 Goddess Worship in Judaism – 266 Kiddush Levanah: Worship of the Moon – 269 The Kabbalistic Renaissiance – 289 False Messiah Syndrome – 300 Inferiority of Gentiles – 358 Jesus in the Talmud – 384 Halacha of Mesirah – 426 Chabad-Lubavitch – 453 Critics of Judaism smeared as Esau – 463 Halachos of Manslaughter – 477
Divine Mandate to Kill Christians – 483 Maimonides and Islam – 491 Noachide Hoax – 496 Rabbinic Texts: Virulent Source of Anti-Black Racism – 505 Maimonides and Kabbalah – 514 Kaparot: The Sin Chicken – 516 The Falsified Schindler’s List Quote – 526 Non-Jews are Supernal Refuse – 529 Cursing the homes and graves of gentiles – 534 Images and Talismans – 541 Ariel Toaff’s suppressed history of ritual murder – 559 Martin Luther and Immanuel Kant – 636 Johann Reuchlin – 652 Sodomy in the Synagogue – 672 Molestation of Infants in the Circumcision Rite (Bris) – 678 A Homo-Erotic Culture – 684 Rabbinic Hatred of Women – 706 Phariseeism Begins in Menstrual Blood – 729 Inside the Menstrual Science of the Rabbis – 736
The X-Rated Talmud – 749 The Rabbinic Penchant for Spinning Tall Tales – 753 Judaism and Kabbalah: An Inseparable Unity – 766 Pulsa D’nura curse – 781 The Golem of Prague – 802 The Maharal Judah Loew and John Dee – 816 The Secret of Purim – 823 Who are the Jews Today? – 838 Judaic Opposition to Judaism – 848 Moses Hess and the Covert Relationship between Judaism, Zionism and Communism – 853 Judaism and Abortion – 878 Converts and Conversions – 894 Yom Tov: Holy Days and Observances – 912 The Hanukkah Hoax – 915 The Hebrew Calendar – 924 Pesach (Passover) – 926 The Ninth of Av (Tisha B’Av) – 932 Totalitarian Obligation to Obey the Rabbis in All Things – 935 Rosh Hashanah – 940 Shabbos – 942 Kosher (Kashrut) Food Racket – 955 Business Ethics – 963 Yom Kippur: The Kol Nidrei Nullification of Vows – 965 Temple Mount Kotel Hoax – 1014 The Talmudic Mentality – 1024 Russian Petition to Classify the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch as Hate Literature – 1027 Index – 1050
Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit
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My state is a father friendly one (which I am in support of) in which most fathers will get fifty percent custody if they request it. (The fact that my ex-husband did not is fairly rare.)
That is ambiguous. Did you kidnap the kids or not? Did he not request 50% custody or did the courts aid you in kidnapping the children?
I know they sure talk a lot about “the best interest” of the children being “regular and continuing contact” with both parents but it never seems to work out that way in praxis.
Exactly what happened in my divorce — we share custody, so no child support (and we didn’t want to deal with the state); no alimony because we both make about the same and it would be stupid. We switch off years claiming the tax credit.
what’s narcassism?
Narcissism is the failure to make the distinction between self and non-self
Narcassism is indeed doing a line of disco shit off a stripper’s ass while Pantera’s Walk is blasting in the joint.
If
you’re over 40
narcassism is doing a line of blow off a stripper’s derriere.
Remember the tweet you posted about immigration support as a “lets you and him fight” shaft to the middle class? Feminism support by the elites is no different.
Can you point me to a woman who actually thinks long term? The hottest think so short term that it launches them into another dimension filled with daydreaming about emotions about the beach. See: any hot chick’s Tumblr.
Even amongst collegiate peers, girls work one homework assignment to the next. The day I see a girl crack a book to get a head start on the next chapter HawHawHaw what was I saying?
Just like the cock carousel is rooted in short term emotional ego-validation, so is the id to initiate a divorce.
“Why won’t my car start?”
-”You left the lights on and drained the battery. Its dead. Cause and effect.”
-”But my car is gasoline powered.”
Feminists like to point to statistics that supposedly show that divorced women experience a fall in their standard of living as proof that wives are reluctantly initiating divorces to get out of marriages to ill-behaving husbands. There are two problems with this highly misleading statistic (assuming the stat is true in the sense it is being used)
I tend to reject the statistic, because it usually refers to a feminist study from the 1980s (when academic feminism had carte blanche to make things up). However, it’s true that a woman’s income often looks low on paper following divorce. This is because child support, child tax credits, EIC, property transferred to woman from ex-husband and other benefits are not counted as income. In the meanwhile, it looks like a man’s expenses have gone down, because he no longer gets to claim these expenses on his tax returns. The truth, however, is that she gets all of the supposed increase in his living standard and then some directly in her pocket. The statistic is so deliberately dishonest that it ought to be called what it is: a lie.
Divorce is deliberately set up to ensure that women lose as little as possible when leaving their marriage for whatever reason. Men, of course, are punished no matter what the reason.
wfprice
Men, of course, are punished no matter what the reason.
And shall continue to be punished to an even greater extent – because they effectively do nothing to stop that punishment.
Writing stern “Letters to the Editor” get the same Circular File Treatment ALL letters to politicians get.
Unless, you’re black (and named Trayvon) – those folks KNOW how to get results.
I’ve always thought that ‘husbands screwing up’ = drugs as entertainment.
He gets popped on a narc beef… She kicks him loose… and takes all that is.
His career prospects implode… his child support is based upon pre-conviction earnings.
He spends the rest of his daze fleeing debtors prison — ( since he can’t remotely sustain ‘child support’. )
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In today’s fem-centric family court up is down, left is right.
The actual enforcement of marriage damages is 100% against the male.
Hence, it’s imploding as a social norm.
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With all of the benefits womandated towards XX — her need to remain attrative to her mate ( stay in shape, etc. ) has collapsed.
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” Our hindbrains have evolved over millennia to reflect this biological reality, and it manifests in the ease with which we send young men to war but recoil at the prospect of doing the same to young women, in the compulsion to blame marital breakups on men no matter the facts and to excuse women’s misdeeds, in the quickness with which men’s natural sexual urges are demonized and demagogued while women’s natural sexual urges are lauded as steps toward empowerment and self-actualization, in the permissible bias in family courts against men and for women, in the relative lack of concern for jailed and destitute deadbeat dads compared to the outpouring of sympathies for struggling single moms and divorced women, and in the full weight of societal opprobrium levied against male caddishness in contrast to the revulsion and willful ignorance expressed for confronting female sexual nature, hypergamy and all, honestly and openly.”
Perfect explanation of what we see in real life.
A man travels to fuck women and women immediately start shaming him.
A girl writes a fuck diary of the guys she fucked in college and rates them like a piece of meat and feminists laud her.
Thats why its more important for guys to be discreet and stealthy these days.
It is always unfair to women.
I suspect a lot of the lower living standard for women post divorce reflects the fact that the man bring more to the table in income. When they divorce, she might get the house and some pension rights, but maybe she trades those for alimony. Thus, her income falls but her wealth is increased. You know they lie like mad, right?
WFPrice’s comment bears repeating.
An ex-wife does not have to count child support payments as taxable income.
Thus, although an ex-wife’s TAXABLE income may drop after a divorce, her DISPOSABLE income will usually increase.
The other side of the coin is the fact that an ex-husband is taxed on the money he uses to pay child support. Even worse, he does not get to write off those child support payments on his taxes.
So although his taxable income may stay the same after the divorce, his disposable income usually takes a massive hit.
And of course, there’s no obligation for an ex-spouse to use child support payments for the care of the children…the courts do absolutely nothing to monitor how an ex-wife (I’ll say “ex-wife” instead of “ex-husband” since women get custody over 90% of the time) spends the money she receives from the man she dumped.
Marriage 2.0….who needs it ?
“The other side of the coin is the fact that an ex-husband is taxed on the money he uses to pay child support. Even worse, he does not get to write off those child support payments on his taxes.”
This is why any guy with young children who is going through a divorce needs to try to negotiate something in the divorce decree that allows him to make direct payments to his childrens’ daycare in lieu of child support. This way, you can write it off on your taxes. Also, make sure that you get it put in the decree that you get to claim at least one of the children as a dependent on your income taxes.
Negotiating over tax dependents may work, but good luck with direct payments in a divorce decree. And what happens when daycare is no longer necessary?
You might try negotiating a trust fund.
But why in hell would an ex-wife want to change the status quo that basically diverts your pre-tax paycheck directly to her bank account, no-strings-attached?
She wouldn’t have filed for divorce if she had any respect for you or your opinion in the first place.
If your wife makes less than you, you might be obligated to pay her lawyers, who will be happy to fight over every detail and bill you for it.
Or get it all written into an agreement as “spousal support” since alimony is a tax write off.
Or… Don’t get married and don’t have kids.
Keep in mind that a guy could get just as fucked if he has a child out of wedlock. My ex has a daughter with a woman who refuses to work more than 10 hours per week — so although she is impugned for the 30 hours she COULD work, she still gets a hefty child support check every month and is on every kind of state aid she can get (which was recently cut off because her 4 years are up — thanks Michigan!). She doesn’t have to use the money on the child; true, there is no accountability of use of the money. She also got “work-related child care” payments from him for the pre-school years (garnished from his check); and he has to pay 60% of health care and education costs. Only 8 more years to go…until she’s ready for college…
I would really like to see wife-initiated divorce rates (and female obesity rates) by alphaness of the husband.
If a clear correlation can be shown between a wife getting fat and/or dumping a husband and beta and/or omega behavior on the husband’s part, it may put to rest the endless MGTOW complaints of marriage being outdated and a raw deal for men. Or maybe the MGTOW crowd are betas and omegas who can’t or won’t change, a possibility that cannot be entirely ruled out…
All the alphaness in the world cannot protect a man from the sword of Damocles that is female hypergamy. Alphas also tend to rise and fall in life, with the ebb and tide of health and finances.
We must also avoid deciding that we have the end-all solution of gaming your wife, and plummet into marriage thinking we have the antidote to female hypergamy. To think “that won’t happen to ME” is the height of foolish arrogance, and similar to a druggie who insists he won’t get hooked like everyone else.
Marriage makes more sense for the red-pill man than the beta herbs because only the red-pill men have a chance at a prosperous marriage that doesn’t blow chunks.
The counter to female hypergamy is male more-attractive-women-gamy. In a sense, it goes both ways.
No. It doesn’t.
A man is less likely to sacrifice his marriage and kids for a hotter fling. Even if he falls in love with a another woman, he can still love his legitimate wife and maintain the same level of respect and loyalty towards her.
Whereas an adulteress “loves” her cuckold in a condescendant fashion, and is barely able to hide her feelings of disgust whenever he touches her or qualifies himself to her.
Female hypergamy is much more destructive than the male desire for variety.
I think it’s funny how people blame women getting tired of beta behavior on female hypergamy. No, women getting tired of beta behavior is like men getting tired of a dumpy, disgustingly fat wife. Female hypergamy is a fact of life. They’re all like that. So how come it wasn’t a problem for the average man in the 1800s, but is now? Beta behavior, folks. Courtesy of liberalism and PCness.
Speaking of divorce, I saw a scene today which is transparent and educational if you subscribe to realism.
I drive through Pennsylvannia occasionally. If I go off the road to eat, I am always impressed by how unattractive the local women are. Obesity and bad teeth are the norm. The men are no different, usually. Saturday I was standing out in the parking lot of a McDonalds just off 81 in PA when two women and about 6 boys in softball uniforms came out. They were in two cars. I noticed immediately that one of the women was nice looking. Petite, pretty face, just a normal, nice looking youngish women, but a standout in PA. As they were getting into the cars, she yelled loudly at one of the boys (12 years old?). I could hear it plain as day from 30 feet away.
“When you go to your father’s house today, be sure to bring back your glove and uniform, because you know he won’t pack it!!
Nice. She humilates her son, by degrading his father in public, and won’t even say he is going to visit his father, just going to his father’s house. Nasty and bitter.
I guess the following alternative was too much for this American woman:
“When you vist your father this weekend, remind him to pack up your softball gear. He usually forgets that sort of thing. Have a nice time, honey, and I’ll see you etc…..”
When I see a pretty, youngish divorced woman, I don’t have much doubt who caused the divorce. I assume her bitterness is because her dating value has slipped a lot and she didn’t hook permanently up with the alpha guy she was shagging.
If there is justice, her ex may have hooked up with another woman already, and is happily in a productive relationship, causing her even more bitterness. Women forget that, for a woman, is it easy to get laid but hard to get married. For men, getting married is the easy part. Getting laid is the hard part.
It is unfair to women, though.
Life is unfair to women. And even Nature, that fucking hag, that Queen of Bitches, seems to hate her own kind most ferociously!
“Women forget that, for a woman, is it easy to get laid but hard to get married. For men, getting married is the easy part. Getting laid is the hard part.” – Dude, that is gold!
Keep their cavernous cunts nice and wet and they won’t be divorcing you so much.
It’s as though…this blog and others…contain within some sort of valuable information??
Amazing to me that tips on how to get a woman turned on are thought of as useless to a married man. Fucking idiots.
A woman should be in a tailspin constantly until she’s on her deathbed, when she closes her eyes with a smile on her face, thinking to herself “Yes I choose this man in my heart of hearts”.
OT but overheard a conversation relevant to chateau interests earlier today.
Was listening to a white guy and a westernized asian girl next to me talk while studying for my exam down at the school computer library. The girl was talking about how she became the cum dumpster (she said “friends with benefits” but hey) of some alpha. Described him as average looking but with (and after thinking of the right word to use) game. She said she thought he was a douchebag at first. Surprisingly candid, and of course more confirmation of the Chateau maxims (not to mention that it looks like PUA vocabulary is penetrating the mainstream). The guy also apparently commented on how women hit their peak value earlier than men. The greater beta she was with (I call him greater beta because he wasn’t slobbering over the chick and talked about how he dumped his girlfriend even though he liked her because she couldn’t get over her ex) commented on how “society” invents these things.
I’m also thinking this was an interesting enough experience that I might just make it a habit of listening in on other people’s private conversations.
Can learn a lot about what makes a good relationship (through the body language and words used), by sitting in a fastfood joint for some hours.
It’s entertaining, and informative – you’ll learn quite a lot (and quickly understand how certain behaviours/words from HER mark you out whether she sees you as a chump (or otherwise) and how certain behaviours/words from YOU mark her out as someone worth spending time with (or not).
A divorce data point:
Married sixteen years, three kids, she initiated the divorce with reasons like “I’m bored” and “I don’t love you anymore.” I was a hopeless beta-provider schlub who let her have her way and gave her everything she ever wanted; thanks to this blog I now understand how damaging that was. The bartender she was fucking on the side was not mentioned.
Our net worth (assets minus debts) was a quarter million dollars – not bad for a couple of teachers where one of them was a spend-o-holic. The bulk was in my retirement accounts, ten acres of unimproved land, and the house. She got half (that is, half our financial assets, the better of anything we had two of, and everything we had one of), including our two-year-old mini-mansion. Fortunately the housing bubble was near its peak and the house was valued rather higher than its purchase price. I got The Land and about half my retirement assets as well as half of HER credit-card debt.
Within a year she had burned through her divorce cash (50K or so, cashed out of my retirement assets), maxed out her credit cards, and (the housing market having collapsed) lost the house. In spite of child support in an amount sufficient to pay her rent and basic utilities, the kids reported that she couldn’t keep the lights or the cable on. My teen daughter refers to that first year as “you were trying to be a single dad and Mom was just drunk.” A year TO THE DAY of our final day in court she called in tears to announce that she was filing for bankruptcy.
Today, five years later, MY net worth is back at a quarter million. Hers is zero, at best. Although she had all three kids at first, both teens eventually moved in with me and the youngest is begging to do so right now. She remarried (a beta much like I was) and has a new baby; he’s also divorced and pays child support to his ex. Together they hardly have two nickels to rub together. Our most regular communication is at the end of the month when she texts “did you mail the child support check yet?”
Who came out better in the long run?
The lawyers.
LOL! We were going to just mediate but she got scared and lawyered up with a guy famous (at least locally) for going after alimony, so I did as well. In the interview my lawyer identified an asset of hers that I had not, and half the value of that asset more than offset their legal bill. They also made sure that the decree included a clause stipulating how we shared the kid’s tax benefits, which I would have missed. She payed her own lawyer and from what I saw of the bill she payed a lot more than I did and ended up with less than she would have in mediation.
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The ex-wife gets bartender cock, monthly checks for kids that don’t live with her, a new beta hubby, and a new baby.
The ex-husband loses his money, finally gets back to even (minus monthly checks for kids that his ex don’t even raise), and no mention of the hotter, younger girlfriends he is banging, but considers it coming out on top.
Let this be a lesson to single guys: In the real world, his situation IS INDEED the best outcome most men can expect from divorce. That’s the sad thing.
p.s. Here’s a new motto:
“5 minutes of alpha cock guaranteees a lifetime of beta alimony.”
The bartender dumped her before the ink on the divorce was dry; she was devastated. Apparently she though he was going to sweep her off her feet and marry her. I think he gave her an STD instead. A year of bar-hopping later she settled for what she could get. She only gets support checks for the kids that live with her; it’s down to one now. Yes, it was financially devastating (still is; child support is the biggest check I write every month, and she sure doesn’t spend much of it on our daughter) but I’m almost entirely back on my feet and it won’t be long ’till I have the last kid with me. And, yes, I came out as well as anyone could. The worst part was the first year when she had the kids believing that I was a Bad Man and it was all my fault, while living high on the hog on child support, divorce cash and credit cards. The fall was swift and harsh and humbled her quite a bit. A lot of divorced dads lose their relationships with their kids but as you can see from the earlier post mine came around to my side fairly quickly. And that’s what really matters to me, right there.
And the other worst part was that our college fund got eaten up in the divorce (that account went to her). Most kids of married parents get help going to college; most kids of divorced ones do not. If there’s anything about the divorce that my teen daughter is openly angry about, it’s that.
1. College is pretty much finishing school for turning American girls into whores.
Colleges turn out more skill-less, future beneficiaries of divorce court rape than contributing members of society. Check out any liberal arts college loaded with girls.
Fathers paying for college are just paying for their daughters to ride the cock carousel & drink feminist Kool Aid from academics. They’re also paying professors to stud their daughters.
2. Is it little wonder that girls grow up and expect some guy to pay for them when their fathers have paid for them every single day of their lives?
Marriage in America is basically a man financially adopting a girl whose father is no longer financially supporting her.
But American divorce laws will always punish men because all fathers pretty much want their daughters to eventually marry some hardworking, beta guy who will support them.
3. “The bartender dumped her before the ink on the divorce was dry; she was devastated. Apparently she though he was going to sweep her off her feet and marry her. I think he gave her an STD instead.”
Alphas always win.
Actually, that was the best part.
Whatever it takes to keep young females away from the so-called colleges, which are nothing more than de facto bordellos (where beta clients are replaced by attractive alphas, but the result is the same: too many cocks inside one juvenile pussy).
The next step in your alpha transformation is to become a patriarch, and arrange or at least convince your girls to marry an older man in the greater beta-lesser alpha range.
But that is not easy nowadays and it even required years of planning when patriarchy was still holding the civilizational shit together.
Whatever the future is holding for your girls, it will probably be better than a cock-carouseling femtard desouling in college.
Cheer up.
Your wife fell victim to the hivemind that too many women listen to these days. “Men are bad, husbands even worse – you deserve more, girl, just for being a strong, independent woman, so divorce him!”. Child custody and alimony help make things easy at first, and nobody likes to admit that they don’t know how to manage their own money. In the same vain (sic intended), most people will never admit their own mistakes, especially with something as serious as a divorce. Even so, she learned a hard lesson – that you reap what you sow. I wouldn’t be surprised if she had never learned a hard lesson before in her life.
Very good. But did you learn your lesson? Have you gotten your vasectomy and are you getting access to young hotties a la carte?
One hopes so.
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Congratulations man,
As you show, many women FLOUNDER after the divorce. In the long run, the joke is on them. They lose a “good man” – albeit, a man who simply didn’t know enough “game” This is his downfall.
I know she is the mother of your children, but I hope you are enjoying the fact you won in the end. I hope you are able to put it right back in her face, just a little bit.
The bigger joke is perhaps on all the women that won’t even find a “good man,” because they’ll see the stories of guys like Southern Man and say “fuck it, let’s go bowling.”
Southern Man: *fist bump* to you for being a man and sharing your story. What you describe happens all the time these days and it’s only increasing.
Off Topic heartiste but what are your views on bath room game,ie not putting the seat down for tha lazy cunt?
In my house I leave it up. At a girl’s house I’m dating/banging I leave it up and tell them to provoke them. At my exes house I piss all over the seat and the floor.
At any families house I always put the both lids down.*Respect*
Can I dwell on the obvious?
Husbands are demonized if they get frisky w/ another pussy cat HOWEVER
if a wife gets PHAT (three letters is not enough) and / or
refuses to please her husband sexually or
even lie there on a regular basis or
refuses to let him raise his children in a manly way or
invites her mother-old-maid-sister(s) into their house or
turns into a shrew
NONE of the above items by the wife is viewed by “the state” nor the “community” as grounds for divorce but the husband poontanging is sufficient.
And of course all women and wimpy men at her job feel sorry for the wife.
It follows that I do not suggest marriage for young men. I will go as far as suggesting (w/out sarcasm) federal funding for safe and professional vasectomies for men of all ages. Methinks Rush Limbaugh was wrong when he called out that women wanting subsidized birth control.
Federally funded vasectomies could protect men from paterninty suits and taxpayers from welfare taxes.
Maybe I should suggest this to Mitt?
I’ve read about Malloy’s analysis before, which seems reasonable. The point about women experiencing a drop in their standard of living is a stupid one though, if we are talking about divorces with children involved (we are right? since otherwise American divorce tends to be pretty simple).
You don’t have children. So you don’t know how much they cost, which is a LOT. While toys, clothes, housing (since you need a bigger place) medical care, activities, etc. all add up, the biggest expense for small children is childcare which can easily run thousands monthly.
Child support doesn’t typically come close to covering these expenses. Most women don’t receive child support anyway (see here for the actual facts: http://www.census.gov/apsd/www/statbrief/sb95_16.pdf). Being a divorced woman with kids usually means being poor.
This is one of the many reasons divorce screws kids over: either their parents have no money (typically the custodial parent aka mother), or they don’t feel like spending it on the kid anymore (sadly common for fathers). For example, virtually all children with married parents get some kind of help with college; less than a third of kids with divorced parents do.
People who bitch about financially supporting their own children are disgusting.
How about those people who:
1. Have to support another man’s children, by force of law.
2. How about those single mothers, legions of them, in every urban area, who expect the state to support their children? And the biological fathers of these children? Are they not disgusting? Is this behavior not promoted and subsidized by our govt?
Why should some guy who gets divorced not adopt the attitude of our urban minority, let the state pay. The state supports everybody else, including illegal aliens. They can support my children (maybe even me, too.)
@Grace
Child support is merely a tool for women to remove the Father from his children. NO child support be needed if custody is 50/50 and each household provides their half. Only with rare, high asymmetric earning differences would the argument hold. We’re not back in the 1930′s anymore where women do not have their own careers and income. Save the BS. Women push for physical custody, strip the man of wealth using child support to fund it.
What’s the matter, can’t hack pulling your half of the load? Well, you can either cut back on the $4 coffee drinks, Macy’s and those fabulous new shoes. Or you can keep playing that victim tune and hope for a sympathetic ear.
women who take their children away from their fathers are disgusting.
You’re disgusting, Grace.
And also stupid.
“Most women don’t receive child support anyway.” Nice way to try and reframe the current state of affairs so that ex-wives look like the victims.
Whether or not women receive the child support payments to which they are entitled is irrelevant.
The correct questions — and the only ones that really matter — are:
1. “How much does the law REQUIRE an ex-husband to pay to his ex-wife in child support?”
2. “What does the legal system do to ensure that the amount of child support awarded to the ex-spouse actually bears some direct correlation with the cost of raising a child/children?”
3. “What are the consequences to the ex-husband of his not making those payments?”
4. “What does the legal system do to ensure the child support payments are actually spent on the children, and not on expenses unrelated to raising a child?”
Women who bitch about the sense of outrage and injustice most men feel toward the current divorce regime are disgusting. And are probably single moms to boot.
Here’s what happens to married men in Colorado…
I live in Colorado. This happened to me almost verbatim.
That f-ing sucks and is so wrong at so many levels. F-ing bitch.
Colorado is also the most Democrat state in the interior West, except for heavily Hispanic New Mexico.
Oh, young men, this will not happen to *you*! You are special, and you will choose wisely. The woman you marry would never “Eat, Pray, Love” you like that poor bastard. Nope, not you.
But believe me, guys, you see this out there: late-thirties to early-fifties guys getting totally creamed by the court system, all at a woman’s whim. Guys you know will go from good dad, attentive husband and such to flat-on-his-ass cuckold thrown out of his house.
Meanwhile, the Thug Boyfriend wifey is now sexing has his feet up on the couch in the old family home, hollering at the kids, and spending the husband’s money, while the ex-wife excitedly titters next to him about the thug sex she will get later that night. Sex the kids get to hear every night, mind you.
But you are a special unicorn, and your love is a special rainbow, and you will avoid this, right? lol
No marriage, young men, ever. If you want kids, have them with a woman who makes her own wages. No stay-at-home-mom shit. Ever. Keep yourself in a business where your hours are flexible and your money is often in cash. Don’t be a W-2 employee past age 32. Once you are “on the grid” as a cubicle wage slave, you have no options in a divorce.
If you are already married and have kids, if she starts hanging out with bitter divorced women, going to clubs for a “girls night out”, talking shit to you in any way, you need to prepare. Dump your cubicle job, immediately. Make her get a job if she doesn’t have one. Find a small cash business to buy, where you can hide income. Then game the hell out of her.
fyi young men, my best friend pays child support to his ex-wife for a child that is hers and her current husband’s. he’s a slave, by law. how could this be? fuck you, that’s how.
nothing to say ..no doubt no mercy ..30 06 time ..judge and wife ..period
Sickening.
Although it’s a dumb move to lose your temper in court (dude was locked up for contempt), the only smart move that remains for men is to avoid the primary cause of this ordeal, ie the M word.
I don’t know how H is gonna try to convince some of us to reconsider marriage, but I read enough horror stories like this one to make my own opinion.
Born and raised in denver, colorado. This video fucked up my evening.
With a recession ongoing, the incarceration rate of so-called “dead-beat dads” has skyrocketed.
Consider this all-too-common case:
You have a well-paid job, and are made unemployed. You are unable to pay support at previous levels. If you’ve a mean baby momma and a judge with indigestion, you’re looking at a stay in County jail
People who bitch about financially supporting their own children are disgusting.
Oh really? Have your kids ever been violently torn from you by an “impartial” court system?
I think you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
Off topic.
The mainstream media is going nuts over these Secret Service guys in Columbia. “They should be dismissed immediately!” “Unprofessional conduct!” Blah blah blah.
So these guys partied on their own time with women who are paid for their services. These dudes put their lives on the line for the clown Obama, of course they want to blow off steam in a masculine, time honored way. Yes, and?
This “scandal” is really about the feminist controlled media and, by extension, white knight politicians being threatened by prostitution allowing men a no-fuss alternative to shrill American shrew pussy monopoly.
Please. I live in Asia. People here don’t bat an eye at this kind of thing. From over here America looks like a nuthouse.
“Please. I live in Asia. People here don’t bat an eye at this kind of thing.”
You can bet in election years these kind of things get prominence, people are people everywhere and a sex scandal will change some voter’s minds.
RIGHT ON! SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS!
Divorces promote poverty for women and children. This avoidable problem is usually b/c the wife wants out, everything the husband has worked for will be divided by vultures. End of story.
And few men want a divrced women where he has to tolerate the ex as some point.
The courts seek to place both parties in the same position as if they had not become divorced. This is of course impossible, and at first both parties suffer. The woman, especially if she is unemployed, close to hitting the wall and burdoned with one or more children, will find it difficult to return to the freedom and income she had as a single woman. The man does badly too, but if he is working his wages may
increase and across time – I am thinking decades – he is likely to recover far better than the woman. In the meanwhile the calibre of the men the woman can attract sinks ever lower. The older a woman is, the less sensible she is to institute divorce proceedings.
“get all the love and sex and intimacy without the legal Dame-ocles sword swinging over your head.”
But there’s one thing you haven’t realized. You’ve wisely seen that beauty, and truth, and knowledge, and race, and intelligence are all real and objective. But you still cling to a leftist/subjectivist view of what a good life is; that you can make your own rules on what a good life is. In this way your’re like a fatty who decides to believe that beauty is socially constructed and so she will have her own standards of beauty. No matter how you cut it, the meaning of life is to reproduce and if you don’t you are a loser as a member of this, or any other, species. You’ve failed as a living thing. You don’t get to decide the standards of life any more than you get to make up the standards of beauty or truth.
[heartiste: the meaning of life is to fuck, not to reproduce. the distinction is critical. reproduction is the inevitable result of fucking in the state of nature (pre-contraception).]
“heartiste: the meaning of life is to fuck”
best thing u ever said. <3
And yet it’s a thing you’ll never do.
No, that’s just your particular evolutionary strategy. The meaning of life is still to reproduce.
[heartiste: the meaning of your *gene’s* life is to reproduce, you are merely a vessel programmed to enjoy fucking so that your genes’ objectives are reached. sorry if this bothers you. not.]
Be careful, I have a feeling Susan Walsh will be along any minute now with a whole slew of statistics and evidentiary studies to prove that it is in fact men and their insatiable libidos who are the villainous purveyors of divorce culture in today’s world,..
Any minute now,…
Uh,..really soon,…you’ll see,..
Uhm?,..she got to be very thorough, these things take time,….
(Dalrock, will you go see where she is?)
Another study: Women more moral than men.* http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2130291/Why-women-moral-especially-theyre-30.html
*When they are over 30-years-old, i.e. when they’re options close down.
Written by a woman of course. . .I wonder if the raw data has this spin on it.
Women are going to find that men will reject this divorce theft, and will collapse willingly (as opposed to at least resisting it a while) just to make sure that the ex-wife experiences as much drop-off as possible in her life (even though his children will suffer for it… its inevitable anyway)
A dejected beta often finds his balls once she casts them out of her purse, and even if still-wimpy and passive aggressive, its not uncommon for ANY man to buckle down and refuse further slavery.
If a woman’s circumstances deteriorate after divorce, it is often going to be because she put him in jail (debtors prison) for not paying money, and she underestimated his capacity for telling her NO, and her decline is by her own hand, as she actively destroys the man and sets him back to the stone age, overplaying her hand of extortion.
@ danielantinora: No, I didn’t kidnap the child. He did eventually request 50% custody and he was not granted it.
General comment: Divorces must be filed with a court, but they can be entirely managed out of court. Custody agreements can also be made outside of court and then filed. Only if there is an issue will it be brought to “mediation,” which takes place in a small meeting room- not a courtroom. The concern with mediation is that if the parents do not agree on a custody schedule, the court makes the ultimate decision. It would seem far better for the parents to make these decisions on their own instead of having an unrelated third party decide how people should run their lives.
It is also signficant to note that financial settlements and custody agreements are two separate entities and while a financial settlement is a one time deal and can never be altered, custody agreements (at least in my state) can be brought to mediation whenever either party feels like it.
Why didn’t you make those decisions on your own!?
If he wanted 50% and didn’t get it you have successfully kidnapped the kids with the help of the court. Even ifs you gave him 50% you’ve still kidnapped 50% of them.
You are the problem.
“Most women underestimate just how much men crave variety. A hot girlfriend won’t stop a guy from wanting to bang a fresh hottie. 17 minutes ago”
VERY good news for me. I want to be your next fresh hottie.
Hope your girlfriend won’t mind. I’m like 100% sure we’ll have sex sometime in the future.
Heartiste is wrong. If that was true oneitis would not be so prevalent. I view it like addiction: the more you get the more you want. The average beta male (which is the majority of the population) is usually fine with just 1 woman.
“The average beta male (which is the majority of the population) is usually fine with just 1 woman.”
[heartiste: one point that gets lost in these sorts of assertions is the false premise that beta males (and females) are acting with unconstrained choice. but that’s not the case. most beta males have limited options, so when they say they are fine with one woman we can deduce that this is a rationalization of that restricted choice. this conclusion is easily reached when we observe what happens to men who suddenly come into increased sexual market options (by, for example, becoming famous): they start sleeping around and/or trading up to younger/hotter lovers.]
Reframe:
The average beta male (which is the majority of the population) is [complacent] with just 1 woman [because he/they lack the skill set to create an abundance of sexual options].
Oneitis is prevalent for the reason aforementioned.
Beta men “settle” with a woman that is on the decline (or at least early decline, hopefully) of her sexual market value. The woman realizes her capabilities to entice alpha males are waning. This forces her hypergamous inclinations to respond to reality and if a family is desired, so is a Beta Provider Male. In essence, she chooses the beta. And this opportunity for the beta is the BEST OPTION he has for long term sustained pussy.
Possessing the skill set to consistently meet new women and seduce them to sex [GAME] is rare in men.
Would a beta man who magically gains this skill set overnight still experience ONEITIS? (rhetorical).
Sorry James. Your GF isn’t that hot and you have some homework to do.
One statistic not covered for who initiates divorce in a marriage is the proactive filing by men.
This is not common, but I don’t think it’s so uncommon as to ignore. If you are at a point where you’re talking to a lawyer, since they know the odds stacked against a father, they will suggest that you file first, as it puts you in a slightly better position than before.
Coming out the other end, this reads as a divorce initiated by the father, but it’s done as a protective measure, not from any real desire.
CH asks: “Are you any good at this?”
Girl should answer: “No, not really, let’s just play Scrabble or something.”
[heartiste: no girl would answer that way once across the boudoir pubicon, even if she thinks she should. but in the event something so unlikely were to occur, a simple reply would be: “scrabble is something i play with my sister. are you my sister?”]
That would be a good response. I’d probably just answer, “No”.
If CH asked me “Are you any good at this?” I would also answer “No”, because I really am no good but then I’d show him everything I ever wanted to do with him. At the end, he’d probably be very positively surprised.
“At the end, he’d probably be very positively surprised.”
I’m sure he would be VERY SURPRISED… a la The Crying Game.
Maya I’m convinced you are a gay man…
Of course I will cry at the end … this is not even game. I thought it’s normal.
All people cry after sex … I think.
Would you lick his ass?
If the answer is no, then you’re not as good as you think.
I think I would eat his whole body.
H, you should start charging this bitch.
She’s getting the equivalent of phone sex sessions for free.
[heartiste: no girl would answer that way once across the boudoir pubicon, even if she thinks she should. but in the event something so unlikely were to occur, a simple reply would be: “scrabble is something i play with my sister. are you my sister?]
Or, per Mystery Method style LTR short-circuiting: Make her get the scrabble board out (not you, of course) while in the bedroom and then recue up the sexual innuendo during the game itself. When you get her all worked up make her take her cloths off per words you make in the game.
And when she’s all moist and ready to go grab your shit and go home.
Totally Off-Topic, but interesting:
Pheromone Parties – let your dirty T-Shirt snag you a date!
http://gizmodo.com/5900458/pheromone-parties-where-dirty-t+shirts-get-you-laid
I’ve been told appreciatively that I smell like a horse on more than one occasion, which I guess is the result of my high-T sweat and Old Spice Classic – the only deodorant I’ve ever used…
Also off-topic:
New York Jets star fathers TEN children with EIGHT different women…just one more and he’ll be able to field his own football team
Daily Mail: http://bit.ly/HAxgn2
“…need to get a grip on the fact that the family court system is arrayed against men’s interests…”
Against SOME men’s interests. Not against the interests of the lawyers, taxfeeders and other fellow travelers who man and enable it. Nor against the interests of the rabble who gets to preen around whoring for the female vote by expressing support for it.
The problem is not how the family court system is arrayed. It is that the family court system exists. As a prerequisite to win a war, it is necessary to fight the right battles. Exchanging tax feeding thug A for tax feeding thug B, because B proclaims adherence to beliefs slightly different from A, still leaves you stuck kowtowing to some tax feeding thug.
If I were to get a divorce, my current standard of living would drop. However, compared to what I could have provided for myself, I would still be in a much better financial situation. It would be the opposite case for my husband.
This isn’t about you (sigh).
Lara,
Don’t even think about it!
Which reminds me that last year one of my wife’s friends was divorcing and got my wife thinking about such things. So she’s trying to get me to discuss it with her, but I’m not remotely interested, and so she says:
Wife: “But what if I said that I’d divorce you, and I was going to leave, what would you do”
Me: “I’d open the door for you!”
Wife: “No, be serious – what would you do?”
Me: “I’M TOTALLY SERIOUS…”
Wife (surprised): “But what about the kids, you love them and if I were ever to divorce, I would probably get custody, then what?”
Me: “I wouldn’t fight for custody, you can keep the kids – I’ll have more!” (smirk)
Wife: “Fine, but wouldn’t you be upset about me leaving?”
Me: “Yes… FOR ABOUT 24 HOURS… or till I had a new younger, hotter, chic to spend some “quality” time with! (wide grin)
Wife: “I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT! … you are COOOLD!!!” (mad as hell)
Later that evening, as expected, wifey was especially HOTTT during sex, as if her life depended on it…
The moral of the story:
If your wife/girl challenges you on anything fundamental like leaving, divorce, custody, you gotta go full on “Keyser Söze” on her ass, and she’ll thank you for it!
Christ, after reading this site and Roosh V’s for about a year now, my already skeptic and overly negative nature has been cranked into overdrive. As a recovering life long oblivious beta, knowing what I know now about the nature of women and my role (or lack thereof) in this awful feminized society that shits on its providers has rendered my soul completely dead. Add to this fact that when I started making the attempted transition from beta to alpha by learning game, finally started seeing some success/positive feedback from women, and eventually slept with a few of them I got fucking herpes. I was wearing a condom, and I got it on the area not covered. So now I find my confidence torn down and I don’t know what the fuck to do. Every site out there offering advice to people in this situation is beta poison “you will find someone who truly luvs you for who you are.” Knowing what I know now about Western women I harbor no illusions about finding “the one” and settling down, which is masculine suicide.
Evidently the Chateau’s proper response to feminism and Western bitches is the Pump N Dump, which for me would be an infection spree. So here I am stuck, fucked, knowing I’ll never find a loving, feminine woman in the states but still wanting to sow oats. I can’t even flirt with women or hear friends talk about banging many different girls now without feeling burning resentment that I can’t do the same thing and just fucking enjoy life. I also can’t talk to anyone about this shit so it just boils inside me. I do what I can to stay positive (exercise, hobbies, friends) but I have spent the majority of my life cut off from women due to ignorance, and now that I have the knowledge I can’t even use it.
Apologies for the personal rant but this is something I never see discussed on these types of sites but has to be more common with so many women and men sleeping around and breaking commitments. Just looking for any suggestion to help me from becoming a completely negative bitter asshole.
Step one: get past the completely negative bitter asshole part.
Step two: game higher quality chicks without being outcome dependent
Step three: enjoy life. women love a dude that is confident, enjoys life, and doesn’t give a fuck about what they think.
Step four: once you’re successful with women, pass on your advice to other dudes that feel like you feel now. we’ve all been there to some degree at one point or another
I once met a super-smoking hot chick who told me she had herpes (and almost used some flimsy excuse to bail on me instead of telling me) Well, I got her to tell me. We did not end up dating bc she was a major gym rat and I am not a big buff dude… could not compete with the Guidos… plus she wanted kids and mine are grown. She just got engaged to a military dude who looks happy as a clam. (she is srsly HOT)
Don’t use your situation as an excuse and declare all hope lost. You can still find a VERY good situation for yourself. Yeah, it would be better without that setback, but press on, my friend. You can have a great sex life yet.
Bonus: these chicks are easier to lock down because straying is a diff game for them. You might even dare to love one of those crazy girlz…
Don’t lose hope, man.
Isn’t herpes hsv-1 like shared by 70% of the world population? The nasty form hsv-2 is around 20%.
Fuck it. I’m saying everybody got herpes. You’re just shit out of luck if the symptoms are visible on you, it means that your immune system is not as strong as it should be (or there might be something else, the fuck I know, i’m not a doctor).
The best thing you can do is to reinforce your immune system by eating extra healthy, training well, rest adequately… It’s the only thing you can do to fight nasty viruses.
If you’re lucky, the herpes rashes might be attenuated or completely disappear.
Cheer up, you’re still in the game.
What you have described is a normal stage of the process. Digesting the red pill is not easy or quick.
Keep plowing. You will reach acceptance. Don’t stop now, or you will be stuck in a terrible state.
Your in a common phase of the RED PILL digestion.
As the knowledge flows through your blood stream and your analytic sense becomes more aware during social activity it’s common your frustration increases since reality confirms the knowledge.
Perfectly normal bro, don’t trip on it.
Here is the beauty: Once you start working on your GAME skills you become the selector. You learn how to apply a matrix of qualifiers to your women (not because you want to, but because you have to, there is only so much time in the universe) to decide whether you want to see her (or see her again) and what type of behavior she deserves from you. How much assholery, etc.
I developed what I call a RELATIONSHIP QUALITY ASSESSMENT [RQA: a 1 to 8 scale]. At each time step and based on her behavior she goes up or down on it and I respond accordingly. [1] = cum guzzling whore and she gets 1 meet. I spend NO MONEY on her and after that one and only meet I will never communicate with her again, regardless of sexual activity. [8] = marriage material. To give some perspective: since July 2011 I have been keeping my RQA. Out all of the women since I have NEVER met a qualified 8. And met only one 7. [7] = LTR material.
Please note RQA and SMV are not directly correlated.
My overall point here is that GOOD WOMEN do exist. They are just very, very rare. I’m talking about a young (18 to 25yrs), healthy and beautiful (SMV 8+) woman that still has traditional FEMININE characteristics: is polite, sweet, secure and doesn’t show HYPERGAMOUS natures in her behavior.
It takes some work to find them. But here is the best part: While you’re searching for a woman of RQA 7 or 8 (LTR or marriage material) you get to nail dozens and dozens of hot slutty hypergamous women in the interim. And it’s a whole shit ton of fun.
While the knowledge is daunting and frustrating at first, realize how INVALUABLE it is. Since women are hypergamous and will always want the HIGHER VALUE male, become the higher value male.
GAME teaches you how to do this.
“GAME teaches you how to do this.”
No, game doesn’t increase your value.
[heartiste: yes it does. stop trolling.]
Desperate brides try feeding tube diet: Under doctor’s supervision, some take extreme measures to drop weight before the wedding
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47061726/ns/today-today_health/#.T4yBGjLLzyA
*****
“Jennifer Derrick’s weight had crept to 159 pounds from 125, and she knew she would not fit into her grandmother’s wedding dress.
‘Women were smaller back then, and there was nothing to let out,’ said Ms. Derrick, of Rockford, Ill. She took prescription pills, had vitamin B shots and made weekly $45 visits to a Medithin clinic in Janesville, Wis. When she married on March 18, she was back to 125 pounds; the gown, from 1938, fit perfectly.”
How fat is she now that the wedding is over? I wonder if there is any correlation with high quickly a woman’s BMI increases when compared with how beta/omega her husband is.
LOL.
I’d also like to see a study that shows avg BMI and weight increase per bride 90 days after marriage ceremony.
My guess is it’s at least 5+ on the BMI and 30lbs. And 2 full notches down the SMV scale…
[heartiste: there are studies showing that wives gain weight in the first years of marriage. there are probably posts on it in the archives here.]
From the HuffingtonPost, out of all places:
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/genes-iq-brain-size_n_1427966.html
Brain size and smarts are, to some extent, genetic — and now, a team of more than 200 researchers has uncovered specific genes that are linked to both brain volume and IQ.
Though scientists have suggested bigger brains are “smarter,” this study is the strongest case yet for a genetic connection to brain size and to IQ. Of course, brain size is not 100 percent correlated with a person’s intelligence, and other factors, including connections between brain cells and even a person’s experiences, play roles.
So, if Genetics:IQ are strongly correlated, and Race:IQ are Strongly Correlated, then perhaps….
…
Nope, we are a Perfect Rainbow Coalition (TM)
@TMason,
You do realize why the HuffPost went with this, right?!
The derived SNP in question is found at greater concentration in West Africans (~50%), versus Europeans (~25%) or East Asians (~15%) – so it suits a particular agenda. That said the effect is only to increase IQ by 1.25%…
I love this blog. Problem is it makes me think too much.
I’m married yet I’m constantly and easily getting young action on the side. My wife is getting fat and old. It’s embarrassing to be in public because I deserve better. But I made the choice when I was beta. I’ve since learned game but now have 2 kids (3 and 5yo) which complicates everything. She and I get along well but divorce is always on my mind. I’d pull the trigger if I didn’t know it would devastate the kids like it did me and my brother at the same age.
I’m more or less venting, but I want to submit my story as evidence that a miserable married man is enduring for the sake of the children. We actually had a conversation about divorce (when the stupid Dr. mailed my STD test bill to the house). She said she didn’t want to stay together for the kids. That’s the only reason I’m doing it. (not exactly true, i did the math and I’d end up broke, but if kids weren’t an issue I’d bear it.)
And the sex (when we have sex) sucks. I get regular sex outside of my marriage and it’s fucking earth shattering in comparison (except when their husbands walk in on us, but I digress).
I love this blog. It’s a geat place for me to go when I need encouragement. That sounds stupid but I’m torn up inside, and if anyone’s been in the real world lately, you know there’s not much help out there.
HEH.
Internet porn is destroying the Western man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zif0_60b3WU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9206176/Women-are-more-moral-than-men-survey-says.html#disqus_thread
the fact that such ridiculous studies still get thrown about should be a discussion topic in of itself.
Still A Virgin At 34,,Dutch Man Fathers Over 80 Kids In Past 8 Years As Private Sperm Donor
Since then, Houben sleeps with an average of 15 childless women a month in an attempt to fulfill their dreams of motherhood.
http://lukescorner.net/profiles/blogs/wtf-still-a-virgin-at-34-dutch-man-fathers-over-80-kids-in-past-8?xg_source=activity
An alpha male’s obituary:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/denverpost/obituary.aspx?n=michael-blanchard-flathead&pid=156944598
@Hecate: Making the same amount of money seems to be the recipe for a civilized divorce. Also, recognizing that people’s retirement funds are their own and negotiating child support. I would say too its important to make this a quick process. Save yourself money by having an agreement before you even meet with a lawyer. And, to be fair, the person who initiates the divorce should pay for it.
@danielantinora: The problem is usually people who jump to conclusions before they have any information, which makes me suspect you are a divorce lawyer;)
As I explained above, you can try to make decision on your own, but if one parent changes their mind or wants something different, you can be summoned to mediation whenever anybody feels like it.
“If he wanted 50% and didn’t get it you have successfully kidnapped the kids with the help of the court. Even ifs you gave him 50% you’ve still kidnapped 50% of them.” This is kind of a ridiculous statement since if he was granted 50% custody then I could claim he had kidnapped them from me, right? Look, it is clear from what you wrote that your situation is not what you would want to put it mildly, but its not as though you couldn’t change that. My daughter sees her father every other day, yet she has the stability of living almost entirely in one house. My ex lives only a few houses away, and if that isn’t sacrificing for the children, I don’t know what is.
The “almost” pick-up.
Flawless (heavily flawed) victory/fatality starts at 1:12.
The ability to earn and accumulate assets is an apex alpha trait; perhaps thee alpha trait. This is why it is so admired and envied by all. People who try and equate men who want to protect something they have successfully built as whiners or as if it were a mark against their SMV are usually the ones who have nothing to protect. This beta behavior is true for both men and women. I use lawyers all the time to try and protect myself. Being divorced and remarried this includes family law and changing the laws in the first place to suit my interests is just an extension of that.
Yep. The truth at last: “alphaness”, and sexual access, is determined by money.
[heartiste: tell it to skittles man.]
Seems ironic that all the Game afficionados blast others as being “sheltered”, while they themselves cannot accept this one simple fact of reality.
[are you purposefully being dumb, or does it come naturally, like breathing? i suspect you are rationalizing your failure with women as a function of lacking sufficient funds to buy the whores. this is what a lot of dull, uninteresting men say when they can’t get the women they desire.]