Before you read this post, I want you to remember something written here many times. The alpha male is not necessarily the admirable man. The alpha male is the guy who does really well with young, hot (read: high quality) women, because women love everything about him. You may not like the character of such men, but a lot of women sure do. So redirect your blame where it rightfully belongs, if blame you must.
That said, and without further ado, behold the winner of the Alpha Male of the Month award.
For the lovelorn nerds in the audience, that’s what adoration looks like. And, for that matter, that’s what cocky confidence looks like. The two tend to go hand in hand in matters of the smitten heart.
The details behind this loving photo aren’t exactly the stuff of after school specials (or maybe they are now?).
Last year, Jordan Powers was just another student from Mr. Hooker’s class. Now she’s his live-in girlfriend.
James Hooker — the 41-year-old married father who left his wife and kids for his 18-year-old-student — might be the worst teacher ever. Last week, he resigned from his job at Enochs High School in Modesto, California over the scandal that’s shaken up a community and pit one mom on a crusade to save her daughter from a man she calls a “master manipulator.”
Jordan met her teacher as a freshman, but both maintain nothing physical happened until she turned 18 this past September. Hooker claims he saw Powers as “just a student” and had no romantic feelings toward her at first, but when her most recent birthday came around, things changed.
They changed so much, in fact, that Hooker, left his wife and three kids (one of them a 17-year-old Enochs high school student as well) so that he could move in with Jordan.
It doesn’t get much more ALPHA than winning the utter devotion of a hot babe half your age. For those wondering, I consider leaving your loyal wife and kids to live with a younger, hotter woman to be legitimate grounds for the wife to initiate divorce proceedings and extract some type of payment for damage inflicted. Shocking that you hear a man like me say this? Well, what this guy did was break a deal. Broken deals usually come with consequences. This is why I counsel men to avoid modern marriage altogether: it’s a RAW FUCKING DEAL for men because it requires most of the sacrifice to come from the man’s end of the bargain. A man has to turn his back on much more of his natural sexual predilection in the decision to commit to marriage than does a woman. Why do you think women are so eager to rush into the nuptial shackles bond?
The more interesting angle to this story is how it operates at the level of what I call a reverse Rorschach test. Given an unmistakable picture of an in-shape, confident man with a much younger, sexually developed woman obviously in love with him, we get to examine in technicolor glory the psyches of people, particularly older women, whose instinct is to recoil at the sight. We get to see, essentially, an enraged, fearful mind create an inky blotch out of a clear picture.
Lets follow the cunty brick road down the article author’s mindmap for an illuminating glimpse at her terrorized id thrashing violently against the bars of its cage. Note: Author is an older woman. As are the other women, besides Jordan, quoted in the article.
If this all sounds suspicious to you…
Jordan, a quiet, fragile-seeming young woman, who looks closer to 15 than 18 years in age…
gazed up at her former teacher, a man that looks every bit his 41 years…
Desperate for her child, Tammie has turned her own Facebook page into a “most wanted” profile for Hooker…
Since the story has been picked up by national press, she’s been flooded with messages of support from strangers….
“Nancy’s always been a victims advocate and fights for justice,” Tammie wrote on Facebook. “That’s the goal here, justice.”
Sounds suspicious, older man must be up to no good, possibly firing mind rays into girl? Check.
Helpless, fragile 18-year-old woman who could be mistaken, if you stare hard enough through a gauzy filter, for a prepubescent girl with no boobs, hips or ass? Check.
Man therefore a creepy pedophile? Check.
41-year-old man looks his age so why isn’t he dating women like me? Check.
Mother desperate for her legally adult “child”? Check.
Insinuation that man should be on a Most Wanted List? Check.
Armies of women circling the wagons around mother, shaming man into ostracizing himself? Check.
Older man in a loving relationship (and, yes, you bet it’s loving) with younger woman now a matter of “justice” and “victims”? Check.
Oh, my sides! These are the pretty lies older women tell themselves to calm the fear and terror inspired by their sexual obsolescence. It’s so obvious to anyone with the eyes to see: the craving for a world that is aligned with older women’s fragile, helpless egos, a craving so powerful that rivers of deceit, distortion and defamation spill from their lips and pens in an effort to obscure the dread, dark reality. And that reality is this–
Every older husband — every fucking one of them — is turned on by the sight of hot women half his wife’s age. He imagines scenarios… transactions… with these younger babes, thrillingly vivid and the stuff of older wives’ nightmares, and no amount of religious upbringing, tortured self-abnegation, hypocrisy or womanly shaming will cleanse his mind of these delicious thoughts.
Most men don’t act on these thoughts, because most men don’t have the option to act on them. But some do. If they are smart, they mouth feminist platitudes to distract the loser brigade while nailing the ass of some fine buxom coed. Just ask Hugo Schwyzer.
Update
I find it funny that the mother of the young woman is attempting to smear the guy by pointing to texts he sent her just before she turned 18. That kind of charade puts the lie to the intentions behind age of consent laws. It’s ridiculous to insinuate, as this mom is doing, that her little girl was a radically different woman incapable of making decisions for herself just a few months before she turned 18. The mother is appealing to a legalistic, arbitrary age demarcation — in this case communication that occurred only a few months on the “wrong” side of the law — as proof that Hooker is a pedophile in all but the clinical definition. I understand the mother’s fury, but her actions do nothing but discredit the real impetus behind AOC laws: to protect sexually undeveloped children from the predations of real pedophiles.
Relatedly, almost every scientific study I’ve seen has concluded that girls mature earlier than boys on a whole host of emotional and physical metrics. An 18 year old woman is more capable of choosing to be the lover of a 41 year old man than an 18 year old man is capable of choosing to go to war.
Apparently, the mother is a single mom. The girl grew up with no father. Well… wadaya expect? The odds that the daughters and sons of single moms grow up to be sluts and delinquents respectively are higher than they would be had they grown up in two-parent homes. The usual caveats about causality implied, I think most everyone, including the experts, agree that a mom+dad is better for kids than a mom alone. In that spirit, a vigorous public shaming of single moms is good for the children. So…
you suck, single moms! Way to be bad mothers!
Mom is turned on, resentful.
How can my daughter be getting the attention I deserve?
“Waaaaa!!!! I want attention too!!!”–the mom.
I predict this is the “breaking of the dam”. Once one person does something, and survives, everyone who secretly wanted to do it rushes ahead.
Remember how after Mary Kay Letourneau, you saw an ever-increasing pattern of women teachers sleeping with their students? Or how after Columbine, the next decade saw dozens of school shootings?
In the same way, its going to become commonplace for older men to publicly have relationships with young women..
“Or how after Columbine, the next decade saw dozens of school shootings? ”
My my. I thought the problem was solved by the federal law making
it illegal to bring a fire arm to or even near a school.
Clearly, a person planning mass murder will cease and desist
when he realizes that bringing that gun to school would break
federal law. Most mass murderers are very picky about obeying
all laws, “studies have shown”.
Thor
Remember how after Mary Kay Letourneau, you saw an ever-increasing pattern of women teachers sleeping with their students?
But those were under the age of consent students. This girl is 18. Another thing, most places have an age of consent of 16 which only rises to 18 if one party is in a position of control over the other. As long as the student is not in a teacher’s class there is no control factor involved which means that in most places 16 would be the aoc.
This man was a fool for not fucking the mother and daughter together.
This young woman’s mother was hungry to suck the cock that split her daughter’s virgin ass and this fine but foolish man lost a rare opportunity.
A mother gains at least 3 points when she slurps your cock fresh from her daughter’s teen asshole.
Pussified men, do not be afraid of six soaked and quivering holes as they wiggle on the floor. Cialis solves the apparent arithmetic and geometric difficulties with towel-hanging panache.
All said, I celebrate this man’s bald head soaked in the fresh sweet juice of ripe teen cunt.
Amen.
Dude. LOL.
Quite the lyricist I see mister n/a. Carry on old chap.
You’re right about the hilarity of bitter old women being resentful of this situation, but on another note, watch what happens when this 18 year old starts going clubbing in 3 years and bangs studs left and right. She’s gonna wake up and leave this old man and he’s gonna regret leaving his family and job.
When this relationship ends once she changes her mind (and which 18 year old doesn’t every 3 seconds???????), it’s gonna ruin this man’s life. He just dumped his family AND his job forever (which school is going to hire him?) for a wishy washy 18 year old.
I applaud this man for dumping his fat wrinkly wife for a hot young woman, but he shouldn’t have dated a former student. It tells me he’s a creep who probably took advantage of his position of power and has been grooming this girl for a long time now.
He’s her ex teacher who she probably had a crush on because of his power. When that shit likely wears off she’s gonna leave his ass for other men.
If he has game, then it doesn’t really matter, he’ll get other hot young women, but I’m not betting on that.
More likely Jordan will age fast and, if he’s really alpha, he will want to move on. The scenario you describe will only happen if he was just a lucky beta like the teacher in “Mr. Holland’s Opus”.
“More likely Jordan will age fast”…yup. Look at her face. Round, already a bit pudgy, no real bone structure…wonky teeth. She’ll be past it at 25.
But that face is looking real nice to Mr. Hooker as he stuffs his former student’s mouth with his cock.
Who gives a damn about 25 when you’ve got 18 dripping all over you?
Did you catch the gay version:”Mr. Holland’s Anus”?
My thoughts exactly. How long can a you girl stay in love with a 41 year old man?
if he’s got enough game, forever.
surely you’ve met girls who just couldn’t quite get over that one guy? that ex which is the yardstick by which all subsequent guys are measured, but fail to measure up?
five minutes of alpha can be eternal.
How long can a young girl stay in love with a 41 year old man?
For as long as it takes for him to get tired of fucking that sweet pussy mouth and ass.–
How long can any female of any age stay in love?
i was thinking the same thing. this man initiates her, and when she comes to her senses she’ll be out of there hooking up with guys her own age.
heartiste–nice ‘silence of the lambs’ reference.
Sounds like a very pleasurable “initiation.”
And this lovestruck babe knew long before teacher that boys her own age couldn’t cut it with their 3-minute fucks and puppy-dog eyes.
Nah, he’s gettin’ while the gettin’ is best. God Bless Him!
Yeah, he’s real “old.”
He’s making out like a bandit, honey. Sorry.–
When I went to high school, my “home room teacher” was in her first
job, about 20 years older than the students. We were all expecting
her to bed the oldest student in class, a very alpha type of person,
withing days of graduation. We were wrong, she picked another guy,
possibly second oldest, not so alpha. She was in an unhappy
marriage and had taken it out on her class (us, especially me).
But none of this mattered….
Thor
Funny thing. An American man at 18 years of age is deemed mature enough to make the decision to sign a contract that will have him shipped to foreign lands to get his ballsack blown off. If he breaks that contract he goes to jail. No consideration is shown for his age or immaturity at the time of signing.
An American woman at 18 years of age is deemed not even mature or responsible enough to decide who to date.
And they tell us the genders are equal.
Win.
The 18 y.o. can also marry, that’s a major contract.
And can sign his/her life away getting student loans
that will never be paid back, and thus ending up
in servitude. Those loans can not even be discharged
in bankruptcy.
Also, regardless of gender, the 18 y.o. can also vote for
president. But neither he nor she can have a beer.
Thor
I love that cocky smirk on his face. It’s like he hears applause inside his head. “Thank you, thank you, I know I am awesome.” Take a bow James Hooker.
Well, at least you agree the wife should be compensated. I do disagree with your automatic alpha designation,though. I listened to the interview. I don’t know how you missed the gayness/low testosterone sound in his voice. The deepest sounding voices do come with drawbacks (usually the result of smoking), but this guy sounds a bit fruity. I’d like to hate the girl for inserting herself in this and pursuing a relationship with a married (with kids) man, but then she said her dad died when she was 9, so I’ll grant some leniency, almost want to feel sorry for her. The bottom line is there are plenty of 41-year-old non-married (no kids) males to pursue, but ease of availability and preselection win out, I suppose. I’m not sure this story would have attracted national headlines, though, if it happened in certain parts of the country. Like Texas or some similar state.
agreed.
i think it’s more likely that this guy’s an upper beta who was at the right place at the right time with the right young slut. it doesn’t happen often, but it happens.
the question is, how long before the girl gets a taste of real alpha and dumps this guy?
nevertheless, every man in his mid 30′s on up should experience the joy of banging girls half his age on a regular basis. i think we can all agree on that.
When you’re married with kids, 41 yo, and leaves them hanging for you 18 yo student, you pretty much peg the meter on every “dark triangle” metric that comprises the alpha meter. No beta would do that, even if the opportunity “presented itself.” As it almost always does when one is a decent looking teacher. As more men gets a hint, though blogs like this, more innately beta males in positions of statutory authority over girls will pursue such opportunities, given the favorable payoff vs. risk calculation.
Which is why, in civilized societies, parents don’t let daughters hang around men unchaperoned.
Not even BLACK men?
We had a girl from Sunday School who married one of the church elders when she turned 18 and he was 38. She is 26 now and they have four kids and she still looks at him like he’s a god, waits on him hand and foot like obeying every command brings her deep pleasure. I learned a lot from him, heh.
Your tale is a just one. I revel in it.
Finally a righteous Christian hombre. They are surely rare.
“A man has to turn his back on much more of his natural sexual predilection in the decision to commit to marriage than does a woman. Why do you think women are so eager to rush into the nuptial shackles bond?”
Not necessarily true. This would be true of men who can attract the hottest women with no commitment. George Clooney seems to have this figured out. Male commitment is a bargaining chip that for men who would otherwise not be able to close the deal should end up with a hotter babe. And again, if children are involved marriage is not so much the issue. Many women make the calculation that they can go after much more attractive men for cheap sex. There is some settling on their part for commitment.
The mistake many women make is they don’t seem to get that. They overshoot their long term potential with their short term advantage where they simply have no business thinking they can monopolize certain men.
The mom thinks shes a youngin (born in 1970). You can tell by the profile pic she has on her FB and her musical interests (The Game. Really?!?)
I want to see more pics of the younger Powers please.
I saw the mom’s Myspace whore pose on her FB page. Real tasteful.
Anyone out there have a name for that shit hairstyle of her’s, that chopped wedge thing? Half the frustrated 40 year olds in this country seem to have it.
I’ve received a few bad looks from older women when out with my current girl (14 years younger). However, other cute young girls smile at us and don’t seem weirded out or disapproving at all.
because they know the deal.
but remember, the young girls of today are the older harpies of tomorrow.
I was having dinner with a man fourteen years my senior and we ate off the same plate the entire meal like it was nothing out of the ordinary. Its not a romantic relationship, but we certainly enjoy each other’s company. Laughing and talking, I wasn’t paying attention to anything other than him. When we stood up to leave, I noticed a younger man from another table absolutely staring at us! LOL I really enjoy giving my friend that little status bump
I thought the definition of “alpha” (on this site) is: A man that every woman wants to sleep with.
[heartiste: no. not every. just more than the average man.]
I get the whole thing about this man snagging a younger woman. But surely he is only really “alpha” if *most young women want him*. There is no indication of that.
[there will be now that he is preselected by a younger, hot babe.]
If there were quotes from other students raving about how sexy Mr. Hooker is…maybe. But there aren’t.
[he is living with a cute chick half his age. compared to most men, that makes him an alpha.]
Personally, the tone of his voice and general mien shouted BETA to me, pretty loud and clear. He has a very weak, namby-pamby manner about him that is just…gross.
[i didn’t listen to the vid. but whatever, the guy obviously has the vibe, the verbal chops, the attitude and/or the status that is needed to appeal to hotties.]
To this particular girl, yes, he is an alpha.
[since most women are similar in what they like in men, this particular girl’s love for him is evidence that many other younger women would like him as well.]
For now.
[who cares? it’s more than most men are experiencing.]
She does clearly adore him. For now. But she’ll dump him in her mid-twenties, for a much more sexually appealing man.
[you don’t know this. and women do find older men sexually appealing. it’s not like this guy is a 700lb basement dwelling nerdo.]
Maybe another older guy…totally possible. But this dude just does NOT have universal appeal.
[vocal tone aside, maybe the guy has a dominant personality when he’s alone with her?]
And I’m being totally honest and objective about that. This is coming from a girl who is not afraid to admit that she found Osama bin Laden to be dead sexy. (Couldn’t admit that to many people for years, but have come to terms with it!)
So, I say…he just got lucky. I highly doubt he could pull it off again. Therefore, not an alpha.
[the facts beg to differ.]
Yareally shitted on a girl when she said Osama bin laden is sexy.
We need some yareally facts in here to set the record straight.
like in: “you know why osama was so pissed. It’s because yareally fucked his wife”.
I do agree that we’re jumping ahead and exaggerating this guy’s alpha quality.
If he actually were alpha he’d be smirking less, taking his access to blooming youth more for granted.
This is coming from a girl who is not afraid to admit that she found Osama bin Laden to be dead sexy.
other girls admit it by converting to islam.
“And I’m being totally honest and objective about that. This is coming from a girl who is not afraid to admit that she found Osama bin Laden to be dead sexy. ”
Kissinger was off by just a little when he said “power is the best
aphrodisiac”. Pretty close. And no, it is not wealth. Hunters
and gatherers (most of human existence) have little physical
wealth.
Their wealth is reputation.
Fame is reputation on steroids, it even narrowly trumps
power, thus the attraction to Osama bin Laden. Also
Che Guevara, the big print of whom was and is used
as a masturbatory object by young women.
(Fighting for freedom doesn’t quite do it.
If I were to establish a new tax haven, seriously
increasing human freedom, do you think teenage
girls would mast to my picture? Ha!)
Another aspect is that young women tend to gravitate
to the “rebel”, the neural wiring picking out the plausible
successor to current leadership. This is often a better
strategy than going for current leadership itself, they
are older and probably have lots of female attention
anyway.
Of course, in todays macrocountries world, rebels
succeed only very rarely. For every Fidel and Ernesto,
there are literally millions of “rebels” who get absolutely
nowhere. But the neural net doen’t know that.
Thor
Crumpetess said: “He has a very weak, namby-pamby manner about him that is just…gross.”
I had the same impression. But he might have been putting on an act. He is probably aware that hordes of people are calling for him to be burned at the stake, so he may have been deliberately trying to appear as non-threatening as possible while he was on-camera.
As to the helplessness of 18 year old girls….Of course its from the wrinkled ID with enough differential pressure to implode a brick shit house in its rationalizing suction. The first place to be appalled by this exploitation of youth I would think would be the military where they are sent into a meat grinder. Bringing that up puts an end to it pronto.
The funny part is, if this 18 year old cupcake wanted to start a business or go to law school or [whatever], the hoard of harridans would be applauding her empowerment and maturity.
But fuck an older man? She’s merely a child, taken advantage of by the evil Svengali.
Her mom needs to buy a clue, at the Dollar Store. She called him a “master manipulator”. Umm. Her daughter got a 41 year old married man to leave his family. Who manipulated whom?
“Who manipulated whom?” Good point.
According to the feminists and their White Knight lapdogs, men are always the evil manipulators and women are the hapless victims. Except, of course, when the women are behaving in a feminist-approved manner. Then they are being strong, independent, and empowered.
Any man who prefers women who are younger than I am is a pedophile.
A+++
But it’s difficult for us to survive when we realize that most men prefer young women. ALL men, actually. It’s fucking disturbing. So it’s normal that we try to find some peace again. The only other option would be depression. Or living in a constant anxiety. I think we’re less attractive than young girls also because of our personalities. We’re anxious and depressed because we don’t have luck in love. Plus, we have to work. Young girls have no worries, no responsibilities and are therefore more relaxed. Which is very attractive.
It’s fucking disturbing
it’s the natural order of things.
I think we’re less attractive than young girls also because of our personalities
but unlike your declining looks, your attiude and personality can be improved if you made a real effort.
Maya, there is hope for middle-aged women because not all middle-aged men have sufficient alpha qualities to get much-younger women. This guy does, but many do not. But, you need to realistically asses your own smv and then settle for someone who is roughly equivalent. Otherwise you will have to live with anxiety. This is a human universal, which applies to both men and women.
You might not be able to get an alpha, but there are lots of nice betas to choose from. You need to have realistic expectations.
You need to have realistic expectations.
you’re new around here, huh…
“But, you need to realistically asses your own smv and then settle for someone who is roughly equivalent.”
What a shitty advice. Of course I’m not going to settle. I will get a baby through artificial insemination then (it’s so unnatural and a bit sick but my mental health is more important). Now I still have hope that someday I might convince a normal guy to fuck me (not very likely though).
“You might not be able to get an alpha, but there are lots of nice betas to choose from. You need to have realistic expectations.”
You’re really encouraging. What if I wrote “you might not be able to get a pretty girl, but there are lots of nice middle-aged single mums to chose from. You need to have realistic expectations”.
The counterpart is the beta male which is not something that seems to disturb aging women. I am sure its far worse knowing its karmic retribution rather than an injustice.
The best solution is the old one. You can’t be “a young woman” all your life, but you can be a younger woman relatively speaking. A good personality while being a loyal wife and mother to his children will give good odds and if you are 10 year younger he has to go 20 to make any real difference. And then if his wife is a decent person, it just does not make sense to upend his life. However a porky bitch his same age is a no brainer. Looks matter but they matter more in the beginning. That is why many men are bemused at women in their late 30s trying to settle with men their own age while also packing on the fat. There is nothing wrong with a 7 year old child either so long as they are not still in diapers. Older women hitting the clubs and trying to work it as they once did is as disturbing.
I think we’re less attractive than young girls also because of our personalities.
To go through life as backward as this!
A fresh, lithe, white 18 year old body is, in Mayan logic, equivalent to her fat middle-aged black one.
Brilliant!
Maya, accept the natural order for what it is and play to your strengths
It is easy to fall into a defeatist attitude, but older women have lots of things going for them. For instance, a good-looking older woman has proven she’ll look after her body and health. Its no small feat. Generally speaking, an older woman has more life experiences and is probably more stable. And the best feature of all: we’re appreciative! Everything men do for us is sweet and thoughtful.
Enough of this shilly-shallying, Maya. You’re getting quite an education here. Determine when you want to get married and start taking the steps to make that happen.
Learn to use your mouth like a pro and you can stop all that worrying.
Problem: Only young girls put men in a loving mood. Older women want the love of men.
Solution: Breed billions of more young girls. 10 girls per man. Men will be in ecstasy. The love will flow. Older women will bask in the warmth of the appreciative men.
Example: The dance teacher from “Dance Moms” cannot find a man. She is simply too horrid. But she is surrounded by young girls, who men want. So offer the man, who will be her lifetime companion, an endless supply of girls of his choosing. She will have the suitors lining up.
If a woman does not have the goods, to attract a man, she has to acquire the goods.
The article didn’t say anything about the girl’s father. Maybe the mom does not have a man in her life, and is jealous of her daughter who does.
Father died when girl was nine. It’s in the text somewhere.
Thor
If I help the old hags shame this guy, and if I’m vocal enough about it, then maybe it will impress them enough that I can finally get some pussy from some
over-the-hill dried-up old prune. It’s not much, but it would be better than what I usually get, which is nothing. I haven’t gotten any for years, so I’ll really condemn this guy. Oh boy, I hope i get laid!
Just throwing this out there, but if she were my daughter, I’d kill the guy.
Protection instinct and all that. Pretty sure I could plea-bargain it down to 2nd degree, out in 10 years.
Because I have a daughter who attends school, I can’t look at this in the same fashion.
And yes, I read the comment earlier about the dad being dead.
Doesn’t seem to be a father in the picture here, does there? Explains a lot.
Your fatherly alpha example burns so bright that your daughter wouldn’t go for numbnuts here. Right? And you also knew the lay of the land and didn’t enroll your daughter at the wrong school. If not, you’re that makes you the nigga to steal on. Not our problem.
You wouldn’t kill shit.
You’d sit there and jack off and wish you had the balls to bust young quim.
Half Canadian – That seems to be a common feeling among fathers. But, she is legally an adult. At what point do you let go and allow her to make her own decisions? What if she was 30 and living with a man who was 60?
I have a daughter this very age. I wouldn’t have any problem with this. I’d love it, actually. We’d go fishing and drinking.
If he ever cheated on her, though, I’d have his ballsack nailed to my front door.
That’s what fathers are for.
And if she cuckolded him, what would you do to her?
does your daughter wear one of them plaid skirts? Does she pull down the panties and store them in her purse when she gets to school?
Yeah, and you’d get your beta ass bodied along the way. Nothing to see here folks.
“Every older husband — every fucking one of them — is turned on by the sight of hot women half his wife’s age. He imagines scenarios… transactions… with these younger babes, thrillingly vivid and the stuff of older wives’ nightmares, and no amount of religious upbringing, tortured self-abnegation, hypocrisy or womanly shaming will cleanse his mind of these delicious thoughts.”
Is it possible to get rid of this desire? What about men who have 3 or 4 children and have to take care of them? They probably don’t think so much about hot teenage girls?
If there is no way to make a man fall in love forever with one woman … Is it even worth trying? Knowing that after 3 or 5 years he’ll start to check out hotter young women …
Keep your man happy and stop worrying about the mule going blind.
Maya, for goodness’ sake…get out of here once in a while and round out your perspective on life! CH is interesting, to be sure, and often insightful, albeit often in a hyperbolic way. However, it is not EVERYTHING. Not even close.
Yes, of course it’s possible for a man to love a woman, for a lifetime. I’ve seen it, in my own family. More rare than we would like, perhaps, but possible.
However, it takes work on both ends. Hard work and effort. So…know what is yours to do, and do it. Take care of yourself, be confident, etc. Then choose wisely when it comes to a partner. Use the information here (as well as from other sources) to discern what you really want, and then go get it. As a sagacious Asian woman once said to me: “Half the world is full of men”. So get off of your computer, and go find one you want!!!!! If you’re yourself, and confident, and do the best with what you have, then you’ll be fine.
“Maya, for goodness’ sake…get out of here once in a while and round out your perspective on life! CH is interesting, to be sure, and often insightful, albeit often in a hyperbolic way. However, it is not EVERYTHING. Not even close.”
I don’t need any other perspective. Very rarely I open a book or a magazine. I don’t need to – everything I need to know is here on CH.
Well, that helps to explain the dumb questions and the fact that you’re alone.
I hope that was sarcasm, or in the very least, you’re a troll trying prove Heartiste’s points by acting exactly the way he says women act toward alpha males.
Please, do read a book once in a while. Not a magazine (especially not one of those godawful crap “women’s magazines” like Cosmo). Getting more than one perspective can’t hurt you, unless you’re too feeble-minded to look at more than one idea and figure out what you believe for yourself. Remember, you don’t have to believe everything you read, so it’s not like reading something you disagree with will ruin you.
Goddamn women are so dumb I can’t believe it.
OF COURSE there are men who remain married to the same woman all their lives. There are even a lot who could have other, younger women if they desired. It’s called character, and you should screen for it instead of thug charisma/dick size/badassery, or whatever “confidence” passes for these days.
“It’s called character, and you should screen for it”
Yes, “you” meaning young women should. And
they used to, by and large.
But there are several problems with this
reasonable approach.
ONE: It is quite difficult to do. Character shows in the
long run. Now, you can exclude obvious cads, flakes,
losers etc, but there is no good test for inclusion.
TWO: The media – and not particularly the
MSM that is sucked up by most people older
than 30 – but the media that cater specifically
to young women – bear much of the blame.
COSMO is the ringleader, but there are plenty
of others. The scenario taken almost for
granted is young woman dating (read: having
sex with) a man way above her level. And the
advice centers on how to “get him to commit”.
The best advice would be “date in your own league”,
but frying to get somebody to give up their
illusions/delusions does not sell copy.
THREE: The culture as whole, at least in urban
areas, is mainly attuned to the culture as
in COSMO.
FOUR: Young women today don’t have the
pressure to get married. (This is not a bad thing,
but it comes at a price.) Not only do they have the
backing of the culture, the adulation of Murphy Brown
(never mind that she was fictional) etc as per above,
but they have jobs (more weighted to government
jobs than the work done by men), they can easily
support ONE person on their salaries, and they have
birth control, abortion and welfare as multiple
back-up systems. So they don’t have nearly
as strong a need for commitment as their
mothers, not to speak of grandmothers, did.
Watch for Saturday’s WSJ, they will be running
an article on divorces after fifty. Will be
interesting.
Thor
Farkin’ A!!!
But since women don’t see *character* on their tv shows and Twilight movies, how can we expect them to know what it is?
Gold clap.
Its not just character. If you have two kids with your wife, and she is good to you, there starts to be a lot of self interest. I have an 8 year age gap with my wife. So to go younger I need about 15 years just to to make a difference. In 7 years I’ll be back where I started only after having upended my life. I get back rubs, hot meals etc. I suppose she is going to hit a wall in the sexual market place once I hit my fifties. I just don’t see the point.
Now when I see women aging badly who are about the same age as their husbands with bitchiness and entitlement to boot, life sucks already. That I understand. Its not marginal. All men don’t want the nuclear family, but a lot of them do. The problem is there is a lower risk option that is equally attractive and that is low investment humping lots of women. Women as a whole screwed up option #1. Option #2 is a sports career in romance where women retire at 40. I can’t imagine wanting a relationship with a 50 year old woman who I was not already with from her youth. It would never cross my mind. It would be 30 somethings or nothing.
“If there is no way to make a man fall in love forever with one woman … Is it even worth trying? Knowing that after 3 or 5 years he’ll start to check out hotter young women …”
After?
If you’re shooting for someone who has destroyed his own pair bonding mechanism then yes you = screwed and not in the good way.
Hmm… Actually, what’s the problem? Women don’t cease finding other men attractive even if they are committed to one single guy (at least I don’t, but it never even entered my head to make anything more out of it), so if you’re worth being faithful to and he is serious about it, those thoughts won’t hurt you.
Quitting porn might help (for the guy). I found some sources recently that show that porn actually does lower a man’s satisfaction with his wife/gf (and sex in general), because he’s so focused on variety that porn gives, which can lead to ED, delayed ejaculation and not being able to cum during normal sex.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow
BFD. Except for the adultery problem, in 1800 such “December-May” romances this would be considered normal.
Yet more proof the guy is alpha: he was smart enough and careful enough not to get caught by jailbait charges. The feminazis and her mom rage, but they have nothing on him because she’s 18.
Given that I get far more IOIs from young women now that I’m 30 than when I was 20, I don’t have any sympathy for the aging feminazis.
The age of consent should be whatever age I happen to be, so that I won’t have competition from younger women.
+1
It is immoral for any man to have sex with a woman who is younger than I am.
Guys should thumbs up some of the comments in the Daily Mail article about this. The manginas are out in full force thumbing good comments down:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108725/Jordan-Powers-18-moves-James-Hooker-41-quits-teaching-job.html
Here’s Beta of the Month candidate named Esme from New Jersey:
Adult is never the word that springs to mind when I talk to 18 year olds at school. They still seem so young and should not be taken advantage of. I have one 18 year old who adores me. It’s lovely but I pretend I don’t notice. Would I ever take advantage? I’d rather rip out my own eyeballs.
“Adult is never the word that springs to mind when I talk to 18 year olds at school. They still seem so young and should not be taken advantage of. I have one 18 year old who adores me. It’s lovely but I pretend I don’t notice. Would I ever take advantage? I’d rather rip out my own eyeballs.”
(*cringe*) Can’t you just hear the mincing and lisp in his voice when you read this?
I think Jesus said something to that effect.
“If thy balls offend thee — say, in front of a flirtatious eighteen year old — rip out thine eyeballs instead so you can’t grope at it.”
Such men have internalized the Fear too deeply. It is the skewed logic of resentment (want young pussy) and sanctimony (punish self for wanting young pussy).
Sooner pound a thousand young unfucked pussies into quivering jelly than become martyr to your own backwardness, and slave to the proponents of shame.
This guy has the sack to nail down this fine young piece and already betas and hags are swarming this post telling us “she’ll get tired of him in 3 years!” and “he’s not really alpha, duh, uh, duh…”
Guess what?
He’s fucking that sweet young pink pussy and supertight asshole and warm hungry mouth right fucking now and what are you doing?
Jackshit.
So I guess he’s sufficiently alpha for today, eh?
Yea really.
I know I’m not banging a tight 18 year old with a deliciously neotenous face.
Any of you?
As was said earlier, if she were your daughter why wouldnt you be apologizing for raising such a homewrecking slut?
You’re an idiot. She’s not a homewrecking slut! It’s him who promised his wife that he’ll stay with her and her children forever. There is no law that prohibits falling in love with an older, preselected man.
Inciting a someone you know is married to leave his spouse, makes you a home-wrecking slut. Regardless of whether the guy is a scumbag or not. In a civilized society, his wife’s family (and her’s) would shoot him, stone her and leave the world a better place. But civilized has no overlap with our current dystopia.
I agree with you that it’s immoral to flirt with men who have girlfriends/wives (I’m very careful about that myself and it’s very frustrating … Because all hot men are in a relationship … All good men are gone …) but it’s still his fault – he made a decision to leave his wife and children, it wasn’t her.
Here older means younger than old? English is one fucked up language
Just be careful you don’t end up a homewrecker yourself, Maya.
I respectfully challenge Heartise to check back in on this alpha of the month in a year or three. By then the young hottie who supposedly “adores” him will have left him (because that’s what sluts do) for some other, any other, man who is not a bespectiled, bald, unemployed, high school teacher loser. Where will Mr. Alpha of the Month be then o’ dear Heartise? Cleaned out from a nasty divorce ( as you yourself graciously admit he should be). Unemployable in his choosen profession. Likely hated by his own children. Do you serously think he’ll ever again bed a high quality 18-22 babe?
Please. He’s not an alpha at all. Much less alpha of the month. He’s a loser who used his position of authority over a young bimbo to bang the simpleton and convince her to move in with him.
Disagree?? Fine, then do as I say, follow up on the loser in few years. Bet you the young poon is gone and not replaced by anything even remotely as desirable.
[heartiste: you need perspective. he’s banging an 18 year old cutie RIGHT NOW. and will be for a while longer, at the least. that’s more than can be said for most men.]
I agree with that. I’m sure he’s madly in love with her (she’s so much younger …). And she’ll probably dump him in a few years. I think he’s going to miss her …
She is not really a hottie. She is a plain Jane. Her asset is her
young age, that’s all – but it is a lot.
Thor
Okay, I was wondering if I was the only one to think she wasn’t anything out of the ordinary in looks.
She’s very cute, but that’s true of most healthy 18 year-old girls. Nothing special here.
Have to agree with jaspwr. You more alpha teachers have a romance like this every year with a new student. I’m not even sure I’d call them bona fide alphas because 90% of the work is done for them by virtue of their position of authority.
Anyone remember a movie from the seventies called Pretty Maids All In A Row?
Of course, gay icon Rock Hudson played the Lothario teacher… (go figure)… and it turns out he was a headcase that killed the girls when they threatened to tell on him.
She might leave? Men pay good money to prostitutes they know are going to leave. Sex now, is a bankable, funjiggilable ass set. Tomorrow doesn’t matter.
Question, jasperger: When you are 41, will you be able to get a decent-looking 18-year old to leave her family and come live with you as you fuck her brains out every night? No? Would most men be able to? No? Well then, I guess alpha is as Hooker (heh) does. Doesn’t matter what happens in the future, the guy is having an alpha moment now.
Isnt kind of an irony that when girls are younger they seem more susceptible to older guys’ efforts;they are in effect,easier when theyre younger and prettier.As they get older and lose the youthful patina,they smarten up and rasie their standards. Sort of an exception to the SMV.
Who cares if he only bangs her for a few years? Those are her prime years as a woman! Most relationships end anyway. No big deal. Carpe diem.
and this story is also why women are happier marrying men a few points down on the looks scale from them. It’s insurance against future competition. The guy will age, sure sure, but not as badly as the lady. Anyway, I saw the video last night of the couple, and without any audio or subtitles, it was apparent that the girl was smitten…and the guy was happy and his body language was indeed alpha. So, I guess it’s a big story because (a) the bitches hate the idea of a guy having his own lifetime television for women story eat-pray-love upgrade and (b) every guy salaciously is jealous but can’t admit it.
“and this story is also why women are happier marrying men a few points down on the looks scale from them. It’s insurance against future competition.”
No. If a guy is alpha his average looks are no insurance against future competition. If he’s beta than women don’t give a shit about him anyway (unless he’s good looking and successful).
Better for women to marry a man 15-18 years older than them. For most men following most career trajectories, that lines up their SMV decline ratio with that of their women, minimizing the kind of imbalance that makes stepping out tempting.
that should be rate, not ratio……………
Normally, I would say that the old fart has a 50/50 shot of closing the deal and marrying her. knocked up by 22.
The probs is that he’s unemployed and looking at alimony/divorce anal gang rape. This means too much stress and the relationship is going to struggle. 25% still together in 10 years with the pups.
Why did he quit? From what I hear about these public school teachers, the level of turpitude required to get fired is quite high, let alone losing that sweet, sweet defined benefits pension. Especially in California. You know what, I think public school teacher should be the alpha-male job goal, just by being awesome, you can pull off what this guy did, year after year, and never get fired. Why try to get a real job that will kill your soul?
and who knows…maybe his wife was a bitch to him. Good for him for leaving a cold bed.
Meh, high school and college teachers are shooting fish in a barrel when they take up with their students. I don’t think they need to be very alpha at all. And I think the more alpha of them don’t friggin leave their wives for the student. They rustle up a new romance each year. I give this disaster about 6 weeks.
40 year old male teacher banging an 18 year old female student: pedophilia
40 year old female teacher banging an 18 year old male student: true love
Thread winner (again?!)
40 year old dyke teacher banging 18 year old female student: you go grrrrl.
oh, and btw, jfk and clinton banged 19 and 21 year old interns. just saying, it’s not that this guy is “weird,” at worst he succumbed to temptation.
More power to him. Hell, my father, at 42, married a 21 year old. She stayed with him to the end, 69, cancer.
Poor woman – left alone at 48 is guaranteed to spend the rest of her life alone. Young women need to think long and hard before marrying men that much older.
People can die at any age. You can marry someone younger than you are and they might die before you do. It happens.
You have within you the blood of a champion. Don’t let down his memory.
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I don’t mind admitting that if this ripe young fawn lived with me, I’d go on a panty-sniffing binge, the likes of which the world has never seen. ER doctors would have to surgically remove them from my sinuses.
And you know what? I’m okay with that.
Older women just hate the competition.
That is why there is feminism that is a women’s sexual trade union.
If the older women get their way they would raise the age limit to 20 years old.
Lets reverse the age-of-consent idea and make it illegal for women over 40 to have sex, because it’s too yucky.
1. Find fatherless girl who craves male approval.
2. Give male approval.
3. Profit.
She’s fucking her dad.
I grant that the “She’ll get tired of him” objection does not hold water (because who knows), but
– The girl was his student, not just some random 18-y/o cutie he picked up at a house party. More alpha than the rest of the faculty, but alpha simpliciter? No. Recall the part in Mad Men where Joan distinguishes between Don (who goes around picking up girls) and most of the other guys in the office (who sleep with secretaries because they are already higher-status than the secretaries).
– He made significant sacrifices to be with her. This is not alpha. Alpha would be her transferring to another school so his job was not at risk, keeping it quiet so his marriage was not at risk, and so on.
– He appears to have made a commitment to her, which is not particularly alpha. Granted, he hasn’t promised to marry her, let alone done it, but he’s moved in with her. The more commitment a girl costs you, the lower your SMV must be.
I would nominate this guy for alpha of the month if the story had been: Wife divorces teacher husband because he has been ‘graduating’ a new student as his mistress for the last 5 years. She only now found out about it because one of the girls went ballistic after being replaced by the new model (although he managed to keep lots of other girls from doing similar things).
On this other hand, points in his favor are
– his non-apologetic attitude towards the whole thing. He blames everyone else for a teacher-student relationship taboo.
– Also, the sacrifices he made might be seen as his willingness to go for what he wanted. Maybe his wife was too smart for him to get away with an affair, and there was no way he was going to work something out with her, so this was what he had to do and he did it.
– Finally, it takes two to commit. Did he have to offer her live-in-girlfriend status, or was he able to extract that much commitment from her? It’s not clear.
Apparently, the Mom is going on Nancy Grace. I’d say his grace-under-pressure will be tested adequately through national media coverage. If he calls into the show with the girl in his lap, her smiling at America, I’ll give you this one.
Saw this story featured on the O’Reilly show last night, and after Megyn Kelly was done ripping the guy for taking advantage of an innocent young women my wife told me about an 18-year-old girl in her class who had a year-long affair with the art teacher — she did the initiating and it was completely deliberate — he just did what most guys would do when presented with that kind of opportunity.
“James Hooker — the 41-year-old married father who left his wife and kids for his 18-year-old-student — might be the worst teacher ever.”
The media coverage of Mary LeTourneau was almost universally sympathetic or at least non-judgmental, as I remember it. Remember, if a man does it, he’s a disgusting pedophile, whereas if a woman does it, she’s empowered and liberated.
I agree the chick will likely ditch him in a few years at most and then he’ll have to move to Singapore or someplace to start his life over. He’s going to need Herculean quantities of alpha to dispel the inherent flakiness of an 18yo. OTOH, his sacrifice is well worth the sound of feminazis and bitter spinsters from California to the New York island lying awake all night and grinding their teeth. The man has done us a public service, I say.
I agree that he is pretty alpha, but is not this the similar case of a woman who bores with the beta husband and leaves for the alpha guy?
I mean if he were actually single or married with no kids i would not have any problem, but what about the responsability of their marriage and, specially, his children? Is not this the same as a “Eat, Pray and Love” male version?
Anyway, i don’t know how his marriage and children were working, and maybe he was pretty miserable, but is something to consider.
Ooh, maybe someone’ll make a movie. I’d actually go see that one. Too bad Hollywood would never make a good pro-man movie like that. Bastards.
“Why do you think women are so eager to rush into the nuptial shackles bond?”
Best of all, they still manage to convince themselves they’re being victimized.
http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001135.cfm
“The habit of viewing marriage as a raw deal for women is now so entrenched, even among women who don’t call themselves feminists, that I’ve seen brides who otherwise appear completely happy apologize to their wedding guests for their surrender to convention, as if a part of them still feels there is something embarrassing and weak about an intelligent and ambitious woman consenting to marry.”
hardly alpha
what i see here is a scarcity-minded, unhappy, bored older guard who by some chance won a small-town lottery and, delighted with his luck, left his post to go shopping and eat some ice cream
why can’t he just fuck, be done with it and get some more?
“to be legitimate grounds for the wife to initiate divorce proceedings and extract some type of payment for damage inflicted. ”
Well then perhaps he should be required to return part or all of the dowry. Even this is up for debate because he did put up with the hag for 18 years and did give her a child which I believe would fulfill the dowry requirements.
“you suck, single moms! Way to be bad mothers!”
LOL- can’t wait for your Mother’s Day post!
If he were twenty-eight and single, it’d be a different matter entirely, although probably still worrysome for the mother. Honestly, I think any age discrepancy beyond a decade starts to get a little odd. The fact that he left the wife and children, well…
I agree 28 to 18 would be appropriate AND ideal. But I think with age the ideal and appropriate age gaps widens, like a 40yo with a 35 yo, a 55yo, with a 35yo, and so on.
A woman leaves her husband to travel the world and fuck strangers, yet ends up with a book, a movie deal, and the admiration of thousands of daytime TV watching hags.
But a man leaves his wife to shack up with an 18 year old and he’s a sick, perverted, pedophile bastard???
Bullshit. If women can do whatever they want in the name of being haaaapppyyy, then why can’t this guy? I think he should write a book and turn it into a move: Teach, Quit, Fuck.
well that’s because womyn (feminist spelling) are “empowered!”. I’m glad it was pointed out how the reported stated “Jordan, a quiet, fragile-seeming young woman, who looks closer to 15 than 18 years in age, gazed up at her former teacher, a man that looks every bit his 41 years, and said, “He’s more than just a lover.” They make him out to be a pedophile, child rapist. Hmm, looks 15? Must like little girls.
Well he is gonna be outta a job, so this is actually a pretty good idea. Will be so controversial, and therefore sell millions of copies
“if he’s got enough game, forever.” – saw this confirmed in practice many times. It’s the girl’s fault, if it can be called a fault at all.
He may go teach in a Mexican school. Then watch OUT!!!!
I mean, yes she’s hot and yes, we’re all very jealous of this guy, but how stupid do you have to be to give up half of all your stuff + alimony + child support just for some snatch?
Admittedly it’s bodacious snatch.
But it’s pretty obvious that in this case it wasn’t the crypto-pedo professor who snared the innocent young child; rather it’s the conniving Lolita with a very serious Daddy complex who successfully bagged another woman–another mom’s–hubby.
He got it, he took it, because it was handed to him on a silver platter. I believe he’s not the seducer–he’s the seducee. Is it really “alpha” to be so desperate for the young stuff that you can’t say “no” simply because it’s handed to you–when saying “yes” means you are essentially paying half of all you own, more than half, by the time the divorce lawyers are through?
If all he wanted was some 18 year old snatch on the side he’d have been smarter to just bang a few call girls in the relevant age bracket.
Meanwhile, Little Debbie Snack Cakes kills two birds with one stone–gets back at her absent daddy by fulfilling her Elektra complex–and gets back at her own mom, by proxy, by stealing another mom’s man.
Those “adoring eyes” are strictly for the camera.
The irony of the “Lolita” scenario is that it’s the young girl who is the predator, taking advantage of the old man’s weakness–contrary to what the psycho-fem community would like to have it.
Who is ‘Aging Feminist’? I love her, she’s hilarious.
What an idiot. Giving up his life for a young twit? It makes no sense. Pussy is not worth that much, not even close.
I don’t think it takes an alpha male to date an 18 year old. Especially considering he’s exposed to girls that age all day. It’s bound to happen.
I does take an alpha to stand by his decisions i guess…but he’s no an alpha. He doesn’t move, talk or sound like one. Probably dated an 18 year old because he couldn’t get a more grown women interested in him.
“Probably dated an 18 year old because he couldn’t get a more grown women interested in him.”
Could be.
Or it could be because of her tight, tanned and toned bikini-ready body, her firm breasts, her clean, untouched honey-sweet vagina and her non-cynical and sweet youngish demeanor. You never know.
[heartiste: lol. well played sir.]
1. You mention that Mr. Hooker just quit his job teaching at the high school. Unless he’s a moron, this suggests that he has sufficient income from some other source to live on. And having financial resources is also a contributor to alpha appeal. Indeed, it’s a fairly good bet that that Jordan’s standard of living has increased significantly by moving from Tammi’s house to Hooker’s house.
2. Occasionally I hear references that European women age better than American women, including apparently sincere appraisals that a woman doesn’t reach her peak of beauty until age 40. This sounds wrong, but I’m suspecting that European women aren’t caught up so much in feminist doctrine, and so they spend effort cultivating their personalities and presentation *to be more attractive to men*, thus counteracting the decline in their physical appeal with an improvement in their personalities. Whereas American women seem to actually believe the feminist doctrine that they shouldn’t expend any effort to being attractive to men, and so must rely entirely on raw physical appeal, which fades fast. — All of which may or may not be true. But you’re in a far better position to test this than I am, and I am hoping to see you prove or disprove this bit of conventional wisdom in the future.
3. In regard to the daughters of single moms being sluts, this has long been known by sociologists. But it turns out that it is only the daughters of mothers that have been abandoned by their fathers — daughters of fathers who have *died* are no different than the daughters of two-parent families. Recently, somebody did a careful study to tease out the causality, and the evidence suggests that the cause is that women abandoned by their husbands are likely to be women who are more impulsive in major life choices (and hence more likely to marry unreliable men), and their daughters inherit that property. Interestingly, in this case, the father died, so the daughter isn’t (according to the statistics) more likely to be slutty than ordinary.
Effin’ paedophile grandpa, good that the mom is going for a lock-up in Alcatrazz for life… Waaaait, isn’t 18 considered to be legally an adult age the last time I checked? Rather much straw-clutching to _prove_ that the pussy was indeed bounced before that date.
But, have to say that I don’t necessarily agree with the earlier notion that other young women wouldn’t eye couples with a large age difference suspiciously. Fortunately there are different responses but it may go either way.
A few years ago at the Uni, when working on my Master’s degree, I was going at a chick during a groupwork presentation/finishing lecture in the auditorium. We were on the same interdisciplinary group and she was a bookish landscaping engineer student 17 years my senior on whom I was hoping to lay finishing touches. Haha, funny. We were commenting and lightly joking (not that loudly either) with light kino-ing on her upper arm involved too. Then I noticed that one of the two girls of similar age in front of us started to turn every now and then to look at her for a few seconds, but not at me, with a neutral expression. It seemed that as if she was gauging/wondering how on earth my companion allowed me to flirt with her and enjoy it. After all, if one doesn’t follow the sisterhood rules and doesn’t make it a sisyphean effort for a man (especially an older one) to enjoy a young woman’s company, that surely cannot be tolerated.
And if I needed any confirmation that the issue was indeed my flirting and not the noisemaking: when my companion joked something with the “looker” in front and I joined in a light-hearted way, buoyed by the banter I had with her, those c*nts both gave an air of grave disapproval (as reserved for a Charlie Manson) and the other one in fact turned away with a look of utter contempt, as if I had been trying to pick _her_ up. No fear of that with the manly Habsburgian jaw of that leggy freak… Needless to say, both were architecture students too and are nowadays on a Career-building path. QED.
Similarly, as earlier in the evening I gave another, cutely buck-teethed group colleague (surveying engineer student this time) with whom I too had a rapport, a longish look of “hold those eyes”-type as a sort of farewell, her semi-cunty (although super-sexy and definitely intelligent) friend gave a microsecond-long look of disapproval, much more subtler but nevertheless another proof that it will depend on the woman whether she views the age difference favourably or not.
Two cents. Dollar or Euro ones, take your (ice) pick.