Here’s an insightful post from what looks like a Reddit group source. (click on the link for zoomable reading)
Summarizing, women employ a three tiered counterstrategy when they are accused of lying or cheating (or of doing anything a self-respecting man would consider out of bounds).
Stage One: Denial
If a man confronts a woman with her deceit/lies, she will ALWAYS start denying whatever he’s accusing her of. [Beta males] are easily manipulated and they don’t want to believe that their woman would cheat on them/lie to them, so they WANT to believe her lies. Most men never get past this stage of the flowchart.
Stage Two: Playing The Victim
[If the man presses further] she will start crying and blaming the other men/other people. She will start using words like rape, drunk, drugs, roofies, “I was going to pay you back”, “I thought it was our money” etc. They deviously abuse the male protective instinct. […] 99% of men will be fooled by stage 1 or stage 2.
Stage Three: Confrontation
There is a rare side of women that men will only see if they STILL aren’t fooled by stage 2. She will start getting angry at HIM and she will blame HIM for whatever she’s accusing him of. She could have been doing gangbangs and stealing money out of his bank account and she will tell him that he wasn’t home enough and she wasn’t feeling desired. She will start yelling, throwing shit, destroying property and doing lord knows what else. At this stage there are STILL men who will believe her and think they’re somehow responsible for their woman’s behaviour.
This Three Stage description of women’s self-defense strategy is spot on. Denial, victimhood, blame shifting (aka psychological projection). Coincidentally, it’s also the typical self-preservation strategy of narcissistic sociopaths.
Women are narcissistic sociopaths? What kind of sexy jerkboy would draw such a comparison!?
If you are the rare man that is actually able to see through her lies and you break up with her/kick her out/sue her, you will have a new stalker in your life.
Sadly, so true. You want to turn a half-hearted girlfriend into an obsessed lovestruck stalker? Follow these three easy steps:
- Be unmoved by her antics
- Call her bluff
- Show her the door
She’ll be curled up at your door the next day, begging you to take her back [true story].
It’s not even that they actually care about you, it just seems like women are traumatized by the fact that they weren’t able to manipulate a man into believing her.
Understandable reaction. Most men are appeasing credulous betas inexperienced in the wiles of woman, and will fold like a cheap lawn chair under pussy pressure. Give this reality, women are unprepared for the rare alpha male who defies her expectation of a toady.
That shit is the worst feeling for a woman and she will spend a LONG TIME trying to figure out HOW she wasn’t able to fool the man.
In fact, the emotional and mental energy the woman will spend trying to figure out how she wasn’t able to wrap the Chateau acolyte around her finger WILL make her care more about him. The frazzled hamster is a form of devotion, of investment, and women are programmed by the Cosmic Coder to fall deeply in love with men who have wrested this form of emotional commitment from them.
This blog teaches men how to identify these three stages of female smoke and mirrors and to see them for what they are: manipulative tactics to exculpate herself, to hide the contours of her hypergamy, and to place all blame and accountability on the man. Once you can see them coming, you have the tools — Game and jerkboy psy ops — to dismantle them and come out looking like a champ instead of a chump.
Wow this is spot on.
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not alll womenz are like thatz!
only those with belly buttonz!!
da GBFM is sure of dis!!
sciencnen!!!
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not alll womenz are like thatz!
only those with belly buttonz!!
famous experimental bolgistz da GBFM is sure of dis!!
yeah sceincez!
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The one without a belly button created Original Sin and doomed us all to a life of hard labor. Nice tits, tho.
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The more you put the screws to them to find the truth the louder they squeal about it
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Sounds like some o’ the yeggs ’round chere. 😉
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Denial -> play the victim -> confrontation -> create new username -> rinse -> repeat
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Denial -> play the victim -> confrontation -> create new username -> rinse -> Denial -> play the victim -> confrontation -> create new username -> rinse -> Denial -> play the victim -> confrontation -> create new username -> rinse -> Denial -> play the victim -> confrontation -> create new username -> rinse -> Denial -> play the victim -> confrontation -> create new username -> rinse -> Denial -> play the victim -> confrontation -> create new username -> rinse -> … -> THE WALL -> apartment filled with cats & $1000/month Chardonnay habit & well-worn Pussy Hat & #MeToo.
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Cap,
Correction, if I may:
… $1,000/ month Chardonnay habit and well worn pussy.
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[…] The Manipulated Man: Denial – Playing The Victim – Confrontation […]
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There is a short hand for this, DARVO. Deny. Attack. Reverse victim and offender. It would seem to be a trait of BPD women according to shrink4men.
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You spelled “ALL” wrong.
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Some of those blue pill ways are tough to root out and kill.
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Sounds like Eve when confronted about the forbidden fruit.
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Eve only hit the middle of the syndrome… she didn’t dare deny or confront.
But as evolution teaches us, the simple often morphs into something more complex. 😉
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“but adam ate the fruit too so really its his fault right”
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“but adam ate the fruit too so really its his fault right”
Man’s first mistake was listening to his wife.
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The key to avoid the stalking outcome of phase 4 is to go scorched earth in phase 3. Meaning, bring her girlfriends into the loop during stage 3 and tell them everything. Men might judge you for getting suckered into a woman’s lies, but the women won’t judge. Her friends will recoil in horror that you’ve breached the walls and understand everything that’s going on.
The only reason she’d stalk you is to convince her girlfriends you haven’t breeched the walls.
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If you know women as friends and hear about their fights, breakups, etc. this is easy to learn. The problem is that most guys think “Well, my girl isn’t like THAT!”
[CH: for reasons that elude me your comments get caught in spam, DoBA. don’t stop commenting. be patient.]
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Yep. I know it and still sometimes have to remind my self “given the right circumstances, AWALT”
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I don’t know if this is DoBA’s problem, but I had a problem with WordPress always marking my comments as spam if I wasn’t logged in.
If you are using an email address that corresponds to a WordPress account, you must be logged in. If you just use the username+email but are not logged in, your comment will be marked as spam.
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– begging you to take her back
I have achieved this several times … but only after discovering the red pill.
If you look at a woman, any woman, and say to yourself “liar” instead of “hottie”, it puts you in the right frame of mind. It makes your ZFG attitude shine through.
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And if, after practicing your mad Game skillz for a decade or so, you cross paths with that rare creature who causes your hindbrain to leap up and wonder, “Whoah, is this one different?” then you move immediately for BUNZ -> OVEN.
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“Boyim” is the best thing you’ve ever come up.
Female psychology and kike psychology really are one and the same.
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“She will start blaming you.” This is a shit test. At this point I just start laughing at Mrs. Gamer. It’s sooo predictable. No need to get angry. No need to break up. She’s just following her sexual wiring.
Laughing at girls’ bullshit seems to be the best way to handle them. If you can use them as the objects of a practical joke that relies on the shit test, they like that best and respect you the most after that.
Example: A girl tried to pickpocket a red hanky while I was dancing with another girl. After the dance, I went and introduced myself to her and played my Broken Taillight Game on her. I spent maybe 5 min there. Didn’t see her for a year. Then she came in and did a sneaky grabass and run.
She’s a prankster. But she didn’t try to use me as a public lolcow the second time that she pranked me. Respect. Obviously, since we had talked for a total of 5 min. ever, then remembering me after a year and grabbing my ass, I must have made quite an impression on her. She liked me a lot and respected me.
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At times when I look back on life, I realize how innate some of this was to my father. When it mattered most, he didn’t budge. He held firm and mama fell in line.
In fact, once we were all out to dinner with some extended family members and somehow in the conversation, my dad said “women will do three things: bitch, bitch and bitch.”
My mom chimed in, saying that’s bad advice and why was he saying that and that’s not a good thing to tell your son and I just calmly told her, “you’re proving his point.” She caught herself and was quiet.
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Your Mom was a he11uva gal if she had the gumption not to start crying and getting all hysterical at that point.
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Great story, Mendo. You come from good stock.
I’m lucky that way as well. The product of 2 generations of “sexual harassment.”
My Grandpa asked to walk my Grandma home 17 times before she said yes. Then she did. Got married. Had kids.
My Dad met my Mom at a HS dance. It was loud so he couldn’t hear her last name and wasn’t sure he got her phone number right. But he was sure where she went to school and what grade she was in. So, he called the school and asked one of the nuns to read the last names of her first name until something sounded familiar- and the nun did it. Then confirmed the phone number.
My Dad called. Mom said yes. All there was to it. He was 16. She was 15.
Modren Wahmen just don’t make any sense to him. And it breaks my heart when he sees my 3 sisters go through that exact flow chart. It happened a couple weeks ago that 2 of my sisters were caught in a blatantly stupid lie. They both went through that EXACT process.
It’s just tough for me to watch because I know it breaks my dad’s heart to see his girls acting like that. He’s coming around though. He recently approached me and asked if I would be the executor of their estate because they “have no idea what my sisters might do, but they know I’d carry out their wishes no matter what.”
Glad you’re all my bros.
FE
[CH: great family anecdotes, FE. the more stories i hear from old timers, the more confident i am in my assessment that america — and american women — have gone off the rails.]
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“So, he called the school and asked one of the nuns to read the last names of her first name until something sounded familiar- and the nun did it.”
In 2018, the nun would have him arrested for “stalking”.
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FE, what you grandpa and father did would be considered stalking nowadays, which is sad, as from my perspective, those two men were bustin’ a move.
One of the things that attracted my mother to my father was when they first met and my father ignored her. She made sure to get his attention.
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@ Fast Eddie
You dont want to be the executor of the sisters part of the estate. That will never survive probate. They will be able to get you kicked and some bank will become the executor. Proper estate planning is a bitch and a pain in the ass. Probate is expensive as fuck. Finding a good lawyer to set up trusts and proper asset management is difficult.
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You dont want to be the executor of the sisters part of the estate. That will never survive probate. They will be able to get you kicked and some bank will become the executor.
This is what a trust is for. To avoid probate. It’s not that complicated.
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That’s all right — but why does everyone except for me pretend a life of psychological taming, deception-shielding, deception-countering b e something funny or purposeful?
Come on, we all feel scorned by the reality. Or else we wouldn’t even “learned the ropes” this well
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“. . .Cosmic Coder. . .”
I’m stealing that one, if’n it ain’t already done been stolen.
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As a keen observer of human interaction, and particularly human sexual interaction* (and practitioner thereof), I raise for consideration a case study of a strange and peculiar male, who may in fact constitute prima facie betatude.
There is a man in another department. middle aged, unassuming, highly friendly, soft spoken in manner and pitch, terrible posture. A White South American immigrant, 5’7 (max), slightly portly, beady mud-coloured eyes, wears jeans and plaid/polo shirts to a proffesional orifice setting. He’s mârriéd with one or two keeds.
He has a habit of popping onto my floor on the flimsiest of pretexts, ostensibly to discuss work, or sometimes no pretexts at all. He has now made acquaintances with some of the under 30 girlz, and stops by to ask them about their weekends, chit chat, then leaves. Who knows how many other floors he’s repeating the same song and dance routine on. He offers them little chocolates, and will leave them on the girlz’ chair of they’re not around. He’s managed to go for a coffee date or two with one of the hottest girlz, apparently so she could talk about her Amazing Plans for Grad Shul and Banging Men Abroad.
It’s really pitiable to watch the whole scenes unfold. There’s clearly no chance of success for this guy, he wants desperately to bang these womyn, yet he carries on this friendly charade. Are lower beta males really this obtuse as think that this is a recipe for success with womyn? (Who knows, maybe this is how he courted his presumably unattractive wifé down in Uruguay 30 years ago). Or are womyn really taken in by these spectacles? Is he gambling that 3% of the womyn he tries ultimate provider- caring -nice -older man routine on will be taken in and offer up their poosy? I understand he will present himself in the cubicles of womyn throughout the organisation, sheepishly say hello, then repeat until he’s built up a rapport with them.
Well, in a pathetically obsequious and hopelessly futile way, he’s trying at least.
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* it was the G-d Emperor himself who said, “all human interaction is sexual.”
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Wow this all hit home.
About a year ago my ex confessed to cheating on me. I ended it… and to this day I still get feeler texts from her like “gosh I miss you so much, will you please come visit??” to which I reply “no u”. She lives on the other side of the world now, but claims I’m her first stop when she’s back home. Fair enough.
Though I’m firmly in the boat where, if your girl cheats on you, you sorta had it coming. I can think of a couple of concessions I made over the duration of the relationship that would’ve had this chick thinking “oh he’ll probably just forgive me”
Ya live and ya earn. (a)lways (b)e (c)losing
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Always, Calvin, always. Thanks for reminding me of good ol’ Glengarry.
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Very interesting. I am reading Franco´s book Practical Female Psychology and it has a very insightful chapter about female manipulation.
“Stages of Manipulation”; an excerpt from the book “Practical Female Psychology” from TheRedPill
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This was one of the best posts I’ve ever read here, barely because of this post I found that book yesterday, bought it and read it immediately.
I am currently in a shitty situation that I created myself. After 3 months of seeing one girl, I noticed that we were losing the sexual tension. I was the cause: I went too far into provider territory.
If both are busy people (like the lady and I am), you take the time where you can to be together. One example: driving her to the airport. What I learned is that BEWARE, this will be (and thats 100%) seen as weakness of your part. Especially if the girl is with low self esteem = “why is he treating me so well, he must be a fucking loser”. Caught this too late, now I have kept 3 days of radio silence, with only contact being a call middle of the night where I missed the call and when I called back she hung up on me without answering. That was probably also a test, but I was so wasted that messed that up too.
Back to the point of this message after all that whining about my stupidity; that book is great. Buy it and read it.
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Sold sage advice. How to be a victor and not a victim.
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When a woman says something is “wrong,” what she means is “I am not personally benefiting from this.”
[CH: lol]
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she may also be meaning: This is something liable to harm my Social Ranking in Da Fakebook Grooups I am part of– you know hubbie, those cyber troves of mutual amicability ‘n solidarity.
#lovelovelove
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What women even says “wrong” any more? Now it’s the asinine toddlerspeak of “not OK”.
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Eskimos. The other white meat.
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if you are alpha women around you automatically behave like beta males.. i don’t even want to know what is it like to be super alpha, it is more of a burden than pleasure.. Charlie Sheen is one of the rare guys that handles that smart, you pay them to walkaway..
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” Confrontation is a female thing! They want you to do that! Because they feel justified in their every behaviour, they want to hear what you think they did wrong so they can defend themselves. If you confront and speak your mind towards significant disrespect, they win. Because in their mind they’ll twist it like it’s your fault. It’s all mere manipulation. Walking away equals staying immune to that.”
“If you walk away, you deny them the satisfaction. You deny them their tactics. You deny them their (subconscious) game. Trust me, it’s far, far better to be the one who just walks away. If you walk away, you show what you think of her and her behaviour without the possibility of reprieve or allowing her to shift the blame to you. Because in your rebuke, they’ll always find a reason to justify their sub-par behaviour. In the minds of a lot of women, they’re always right.”
“Just walk away. It’s the loudest way to say: F*ck you, childish creature, without actually saying it. And because you said nothing, there is nothing to respond to. Nothing to twist or pervert. As for what they would or wouldn’t think of you: you shouldn’t care less.”
http://www.illiberal-liberal.com/book-of-jophil/#_Disrespect_Walking_Away
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All these women that make music videos and movies so they can grab my attention.. I mean it’s nice but nothing is going to happen (logistics, paparazzi, my aloofness).. positives: they are making money, express their artistry, negatives: they are ruining themselves widowhood.. today alpha is super alpha dafuq?? Enlighten me ch i am not god tier 11 i am nerdboy who is aloof
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/lifestyle/familyandrelationships/call-for-parents-to-ask-babys-consent-before-changing-nappy-ridiculed/ar-AAx5qbO?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=spartandhp
Is this peak freak?
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