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It seems there are still a few hermits and delusional freaks who think beauty is in the eye of the beholder and every beholder is different so, following the logic of this platitude, anyone can be beautiful if they immerse themselves in enough Jizzebel pep talks. Your Citadel Chateau stands athwart this march of moronic posturing, yelling shiv, but it never hurts to twist the knife and add a little more hurt.

Pierre Tourigny created composites of Hot or Not female profiles and the results are nothing short of dryly predictable. This first series is based on the 1-10 female beauty scale:

There are very few male beholders who will mistake the 1.0 girl for the 9.5 girl. There are fewer still who, given a free choice, would choose to have sex and romance with the 1.0 over the 9.5. The opinions of the beholders, averaged out, will reach a very objective consensus about the rankings of all these composites.

Tourigny notes,

What did I conclude about good looks from these virtual faces? First, morphs tend to be prettier than their sources because face asymmetries and skin blemishes average out. However, the low score images show that fat is not attractive. The high scores tend to have narrow faces.

There’s more to female beauty than that, but yeah, bloat kills beauty dead.

The ugly truth about beauty is about to get uglier. Here are composites of 2005 Miss Universe contestants by total, region and finalist:

The first thing that jumps out at you is just how similar very beautiful women look. Beautiful women from all races resemble each other more than they resemble the uglies of their own races. The big wide-set eyes, the bright smiles, the good teeth, the high foreheads and cheekbones, the dainty noses…. it’s almost as if there’s a universal objective standard of beauty that exists in the world inhabited by humans!

The second thing you notice (if noticing doesn’t make your bowels erupt) is how these worldwide representative composites of pulchritude converge, give or take a few racial idiosyncrasies like epicanthic folds, onto something close to what could be regarded as archetypical white woman beauty. Tourigny:

Miss Universe contestants owe their delegation to a mix of local and universal standards of beauty (or at least the pageant’s version of universal). I created multi-morph composites (see some details how here) for each continent from photos of the delegates.

The Americas composite most closely resembles the one from all delegates while the Europe composite more closely resembles the one from the finalists. Bias in the judging or in the standard? Who knows?

It could be bias. Or it could be an accidental revelation. If cosmetic surgery trends are equally indicative, it would appear that the pinnacle of universal female beauty coincides with the pinnacle of European female beauty. Where da white women at, indeed.

Finally, as Peter Frost has described, men all over the world prefer lighter-skinned women (relative to their own race’s hue). In the above Miss Universe composites, the representative African woman is not that much darker than the non-African women. And her nose… almost as petite as the European nose.

The trifecta of ugly truths about female beauty is complete with the following composites based on age:

Tourigny on the details of this composite,

The Hot or Not web site gives people the option of rating women of all ages or of seeing only a specific age group.I collected photos of women who scored at least a 9.5 average and created multi-morph composites (see some details how here).

The only thing I noticed was that the attractiveness standard people use is more lenient the older the subject.

Some people dispute the existence of The Wall, and point to the fact that beautiful 40+ year old women can be found in the wild. My answer to these Wall doubters is two-part: One, numbers matter. There are vastly more 25 year old female 9s than there are 41 year old female 9s. Two, longitudinal comparison matters. No matter how hot a 41 year old woman is, the 20 year old version of herself was hotter.

The exceedingly rare exceptions prove the rule.

People do get more lenient judging the attractiveness of older people, but that’s not proof of a magical reformulated age-adjusted objective beauty standard. Rather, what the leniency demonstrates is rationalization resulting from a restriction of options. As the average man gets older and falls out of the primary sexual market, he fools himself into believing his secondary sexual market female peers are just as attractive as the pretty young things he would prefer to fuck if the possibility were open to him. It’s Consolation Prize Syndrome.

That’s enough shivving for today. There’s blood all over the shag carpet. I’ll end on a hopeful note for the ladies: If you’re a pretty girl with boner-inducing face structure, you can avoid a premature impact with the Wall and sexual worthlessness by simply refusing to get fat. Look at that 41+ year old composite. No fat face there. No wrinkles either, but like Tourigny said, all he had to work with was blurry source images. Heh.

273 Responses to “Beauty Is Objective, Fair-Skinned, And White-ish”

  1. […] Beauty Is Objective, Fair-Skinned, And White-ish […]

  2. wolfie65 says:

    Hot Or Not used to be pretty good, back in the day when it was primarily peopled by high school and college students showing off their tits and abs.
    Based on what I’ve seen of the current version, it’s been turned into some sort of ‘dating’ site, complete with all the manifold levels of fakes, bullshit and ‘upgrades’ (paid, duh) that plague that particular corner of hell.
    The ratings were fairly predictable, girls would rate consistently 2-3 points higher than guys, they would also get 100 times the votes – no surprise there.
    Bikini/shirtless shots got you at least an extra point or 2, even otherwise plain Janes could upgrade to 8 or 9 using deep cleavage or porno positioning.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but most beholders tend to see the same things, so in a hypothetical – but realistic – bar with 100 guys and 15 girls, at least 95 of the guys will be lusting after (and hitting on) the same 3 girls, largely or completely ignoring the other 12.

    ‘Miss’ contests involve other factors besides just looks, behind-the-scenes scheming, politicking, lobbying and fucking are endemic and rampant. In Miss USA competitions, for example, there’s a reason (in addition to their appearance) why Miss California and Miss Texas will almost always end up near the top, they’ve got the most powerful lobbying groups behind them.
    I’m not sure why they always have to have a token gay guy on the judging panel. What the hell does a gay guy know about a woman’s attractiveness? Why does he even care?

    I’m going to have to disagree to some extent with the notion that the Whiter you look, the more attractive you are. Don’t get me wrong, I like blue-eyed Swedish Blondes as much as the next guy – and boy, are they ever rare around here – but there are TONS of extremely hot Hispanic girls, at least until age 30 or so.
    Not really a fan of (east) Asian women, they tend not to have much of a figure (unless artificially enhanced), but they do tend to hold up longer than others, so they’ve got their good points.
    There are even some very attractive Black girls – gasps of horror from the peanut gallery – and no, they’re not necessarily the ones who look the least ‘African’.

  3. You know how the very best top-shelf aged liquors — tequila, whiskey, scotch, rum, brandy — all kinda resemble each other after a certain point? That heavy, smoky, rich, complex taste?

    That’s how the Miss Universe contestants are. They’re even aged about the same amount of time as the liquors. Twenty years.

    • Zombie Shane says:

      Jew Within, only after massive and hyper-tedious pre-selection has taken place in order to ensure that they all look WHITE.

      PS: Help me out here – is “Tourigny” a gallic jew name?

      • What is it with your Jew talk? …. =Z

      • Zombie Shane says:

        Axelrod and Sunstein send these professional astroturfers over here to try to disrupt any discussion of their Final Solution of Race Replacementism as the means by which to destroy America and Western Civilization.

      • Zombie Shane says:

        LIFO’ed, but in this case, the Jew Within is trying to push the discussion towards a “melting pot” point of view, when in fact the only true melting pot is the sewer.

      • Zombie Shane says:

        The concept of the “melting pot” being a very old, tried and true Frankfurt School technique for lulling Americans into complacency.

      • MZ says:

        I always thought the term melting pot referred to immigrants assimilating into American society and culture, the frankfurters push multiculturalism and miscegenation on us

      • The Spirit Within says:

        Zombie, shut your hole. You’re a herpes sore on the scrotum of civilization.

      • Shane, David Duke called. Says you sucked him off so hard his foreskin is starting to bleed. Looks like you have better things to do than be on here

      • Shane, David Duke called. Says you sucked him off so hard his foreskin is coming off. Looks like you have better things to do than be on here sonny boy.

      • Zombie Shane says:

        The Frankfurt School seized upon the idea of the “Melting Pot” in order to lull the American people into believing that all of these groups [including the Frankfurt School itself] could be assimilated, and they created “Multi-Culturalism” in order to silence any discussion of the increasingly obvious fact that none of these groups are assimilable [allowing them to smear Truth-tellers as “Racist!” and “Anti-Semitic!”].

      • Zombie Shane says:

        “The exact term “melting pot” came into general usage in the United States after it was used as a metaphor describing a fusion of nationalities, cultures and ethnicities in the 1908 play of the same name.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_Pot

      • Zombie Shane says:

        “The Melting Pot is a play by Israel Zangwill, first staged in 1908. It depicts the life of a Russian-Jewish immigrant family, the Quixanos.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Melting_Pot_(play)

      • Greg Eliot says:

        Heh, heh… melting pot… that loose concept only applied to the Europeans who at least attempted to assimilate so that, after a generation or two, you couldn’t really tell the Germans from the English from the Dutch from the Poles from the Czech’s, etc., etc., etc.

        But I recall distinctly that even as far back as the seventies in school, they were starting to talk about “mosaic” rather than “melting pot”, admitting that the blend wasn’t working across the board.

    • Greg Eliot says:

      That Jew talk is okay, so far as it goes… but I’m not going to tolerate any further discussion regarding tequila tasting like whiskey. 😡

  4. PA says:

    What would the Abo composite look like?

    As to the African composite, it’s unlikely that the constituent women are pureblooded subsaharans. There is a visual tell that separates the Euro face from what I generically call the aboriginal face (which incudes many of the more primitive looking Asians and Indios) — run an imaginary line from the tip of the nose to the tip of the chin. In the Euro face, the lip will not (or will barely) touch that imaginary line. With the aboriginal face, the lips break that line.

    Go ride the subway and look at White, Mestio, and at Black face profiles, male and female. Euro: smaller maxilla (teeth area), stronger chin make the nose-chin tangent go in front of the lips. “Aboriginal”: larger maxilla, recessed chin make the lips project forward.

  5. theasdgamer says:

    I can’t get excited over anything below 6.5.

  6. I want someone to do morphed images of feminists, female lawyers, SJWs, etc.

    Should be an eye-opener, too.

  7. Director says:

    I’d give some latitude with the age thing. If a woman ages well in terms of looks it means that she is good genetic material.

    Also I read that pale skin is attractive in females because it’s easier to see blemishes or other disorders if the maiden is fair.

  8. Director says:

    Interesting that the All Beauty Queen average looks a bit Indian. Frida Pinto sorta.

    • splooge says:

      among indians we say its the other way around. that our most beatiful women can pass for greek spanidh or italian with her fine features and fair complexion.

  9. Director says:

    Also the American beauty standard is heavily negrified. What would she have looked like 50 years ago.

  10. Zombie Shane says:

    The next step in testing for a “Biological Calvinism” would be to find some honest psychiatrists and honest psychometricians to test the women to see whether or not, as “HB” tends towards “10”, the personality also tends to tend towards “kind, warm, gentle, cheerful, and optimistic” – whether or not our sense of physical beauty has evolved [Darwinistically] to help us predict spiritual beauty.

    • Zombie Shane says:

      “All” else being “equal” [trying to take into account e.g. religion, intact -vs- broken family, DEM vs GOP, family edumakashun, family income, father’s profession, etc etc etc].

      And assuming that there were such a thing as an honest psychiatrist or an honest psychometrician [which there isn’t].

    • no says:

      Frankfurt controllers are determinists. Philosophers have disproven their existence. The only “determinists” around any more are compatibilist.

      • Zombie Shane says:

        ???

      • no says:

        Do you even know what a “Frankfurt controller” is lol….

      • Determinism says:

        The bottom line is that free will is an illusion and humans are merely reactionary biological machines.

      • corvinus says:

        The bottom line is that free will is an illusion and humans are merely reactionary biological machines.

        That’s true for brute animals, but humans do have the ability to choose whether to do something or not to do it.

      • Determinism says:

        cornvinus, we have the ability to choose what we do, but we don’t get to choose what we want to do. I can decide to go for a run, but WHY did I decide to go for a run? free will is indeed an illusion, because our desires/wants are not things we choose

      • thwack says:

        Can any of you make something more complex than yourself?

      • Zombie Shane says:

        N, what are you talking about? You’re talking determinism, we’re talking empiricism [and proclivities, which have some likelihood of being acted upon].

        And the proclivity in question could be for Free Will itself – some people [and some groups of people] could have a vastly greater capacity for Free Will than do others.

      • thwack says:

        You did not answer the question; is it above your pay grade?

    • Bob Wallace says:

      My experience has been unattractive women are hostile, and attractive women who hit the Wall and have lost male attention are the most hostile of all.

      • Mean Mr. Mustard. says:

        If it is true that we reap what we sow, then attractive women who hit the Wall and have lost male attention are the most hostile of all because they reap a bitter harvest.

      • Zombie Shane says:

        Exactly, and I’m wondering whether our innate sense of beauty might have evolved to help protect us from getting hitched to the very nastiest of the harpies.

      • Zombie Shane says:

        And then on a larger scale, it would tend to imply that the more hideous races, which produce specimens like Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, also produce more hideous personalities [which we can predict with great accuracy simply by looking at their faces].

      • Zombie Shane says:

        Or a Barbara Streisand.

      • PA says:

        My experience is to watch out for post-wall women who are childless. They can be nasry snakes and backstabbers in the work world.

        Conversely, my social and professional relations with older women who have had children are invariably pleasant.

  11. no says:

    And youthful..

  12. Reservoir Tip says:

    Notice that the only girl with her mouth closed is the 1.0.

    That would mean that in average, most 1s had their mouths closed in their pictures.

    Either they were all pounding some food down their fat gullets or this is indicative of something else. I wonder what.

  13. masonkramer says:

    Ugly people are less symmetrical, compositing their images tends to smooth out the asymmetries and make them look less ugly. I wonder if there is a metric for how difference the individual faces are from the composite – what is the RMS error for the hotness categories? I bet the error goes down as you get hotter.

    (The same effect goes on for intelligence there are many ways to be dumb but only a few ways to be smart. Smart peoples’ genes are more similar to each other than dumb peoples’ genes).

    • Zombie Shane says:

      RMS error == SD

      • Zombie Shane says:

        There’s no question but that “mean” has little meaning in the absence of SD. And it would be fascinating if SD were non-constant.

      • Zombie Shane says:

        As “HB” -> 10, SD -> 0 ?

        And as “HB” -> 0, SD -> positive infinity ?

    • corvinus says:

      I bet the error goes down as you get hotter.

      That’s easy to answer (if not quantify): the fug composite is blurrier than the hottie composite.

      • Zombie Shane says:

        That was exactly my feeling: that as HB -> 10, the SD gets very small, as everyone’s opinion coalesces around White standards of beauty.

        But that as HB -> tends to 0, the SD gets very large, as you starting picking up wildly varying types of hideousness from the far corners of the earth.

      • SFG says:

        All happy families are alike, but each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.

  14. Anon2 says:

    Yes, whiteness (or at least part-whiteness) correlates to beauty.

    Among Latin Americans, the illegals who jump the border usually have less white ancestry, and thus their women are squat and unattractive.

    But go to Latin America, and look at even the middle-class people, and many are hotties.

    I think female beauty in Hispanics (as well as mixed black+whites) rises rapidly until the woman is 60% white. After 60%, there is not necessarily any further improvement. Think Sofia Vergara or Eva Longoria, who are probably 60% white and 40% indiginous.

    The biggest problem for Mexico (and thus the US border situation) is that not enough whites went to Mexico (and Spaniards are part-Arab). Mexico is something like 40% white, and 60% indiginous. If the white percentage was just 20 points higher (60%), then not only would Mexico be a lot more prosperous, but a lot more Mexican women would be hot.

    More simply, if the lower-classes of Mexico looked like the middle class of Mexico, they would a) be more prosperous, b) have more attractive women and c) not have a class of people that needs to jump the border.

    • Mexico should leave the Spanish language, in fact all Latin America should, and make English the official, like in India and Philippines, along with native languages, and allow Nahuatl or Quechua to grow, just like Hindi or Tagalog survives in their countries

    • Reservoir Tip says:

      The Arab influence in Spaniards is largely over-stated.

    • agree, seems that Anon2 has low IQ

      • Anon2 says:

        No. It is you who has low-IQ.

        A DNA test of Spaniards shows about 80% European and 20% Algerian/Moroccan.

        This would square with anyone who knows anything about history. If Mexico were settled by the British or Germans instead of Spaniards, all of Latin America would be much whiter and more prosperous.

        Spain is a lot poorer than Germany. And even white Latin Americans are a lot poorer than US/Canadan anglo-whites.

        Now, I agree that allowing a black man like Morgan Freeman to play a Moor, or a black-polynesian like the Rock to play Hercules, is too much.

      • corvinus says:

        If the white percentage was just 20 points higher (60%), then not only would Mexico be a lot more prosperous, but a lot more Mexican women would be hot.

        AFAIK, Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, and Chile are about like that. Hence the South American beauties who win the pageants so often.

        A DNA test of Spaniards shows about 80% European and 20% Algerian/Moroccan.

        Some of the non-European ancestry is also jooish.

        Now, I agree that allowing a black man like Morgan Freeman to play a Moor, or a black-polynesian like the Rock to play Hercules, is too much.

        Have you seen those pictures of Zacarias Moussaoui, the Algerian terrorist? North Africans (with the possible exception of Egyptians) are probably at least half n!gger by now, with the criminality that goes with it.

      • Anon2 says:

        AFAIK, Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, and Chile are about like that. Hence the South American beauties who win the pageants so often.

        Yes. It is amazing what happens when the 60% barrier of whiteness is crossed. Going form 40% to 60% makes a world of difference in crossing a ‘threshold’, even if 61-100% doesn’t add much further….

        If Mexico had a racial mixture closer to Colombia or Venezuela, most of America’s problems would be much less. Fewer would jump the border, and those (women) that did would be hotter.

      • some german dude says:

        >A DNA test of Spaniards shows about 80% European and 20% Algerian/Moroccan.

        Are you retarded?

      • thwack says:

        Now, I agree that allowing a black man like Morgan Freeman to play a Moor, or a black-polynesian like the Rock to play Hercules, is too much.
        —————————————————————————————–

        Huge fail.

        Here are some paintings of Moors done by White painters before the advent of photography.

        http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/True_Negros/Assorted/Paintings.htm

      • some german dude says:

        Look at contemporary depictions: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Castillia.jpg/220px-Castillia.jpg

        ‘Moor’ is used for any dark skinned individual in many European languages.

      • thwack says:

        What is your point?

      • Anon2 says:

        Spain was controlled by Muslims for 800 years. Those Muslims were mainly from nearby Morocco and Algeria. They were brown.

        if ‘some german dud’ doesn’t know this much, he is a retard and a fa*got.

      • Anon2 says:

        thwack,

        Here are some paintings of Moors done by White painters before the advent of photography.

        Then shouldn’t you be arguing with ‘some german dud’ who thinks that Spaniards do not have even 20% ancestry from brown Algeria and Morocco. And people from those countries are hardly black.

        Thwack says Moors were black (and hence the people of Spain 20% black) while ‘some german dud’ insists that Spain is so pure white that 800 years of Islamic rule by people from Morocco/Algeria did not cause mixture.

      • The Whiteness of Colombia, Venezuela. Those countries are even worse than Mexico in per capita and everything else despite having less people, though they have bigger Black people than Mexico, but sometimes i think Amerindians are as lagging as Blacks, so why the “Whiter” South Americans don’t do better

    • gaoxiaen says:

      A simple experiment you can do on your computer: go to google image and type in any nationality + beauty, ie. Danish beauty, Irish beauty, Haitian beauty, etc… and see how much you enjoy the photos that come up. Swedish… wow. Jamaican… um… not so much.

      • splooge says:

        agreed and im ethnic. too bad white women ruin themselves with feminism slutdom liquor n obeisty. if she has an asian diet shed age well like fine wine instead of pixie cut milk

  15. Anon2 says:

    So, since this is a Game blog (or is it still?).

    The question remains :

    Does mastery of Game help a black man get with attractive white women?

    If so, then Game is powerful, and perhaps the single biggest threat to white nationalists who oppose miscegenation.

    If not, then Game cannot overcome certain barriers, and is far less effective than is being preached.

    It is time for some honest discussion about whether Game is effective enough to assist black (or yellow) men get attractive white women, for that will answer a lot of questions about the effectiveness of Game against other barriers.

    • Director says:

      Let’s have an honest discussion?

      I’d guess that it marginally helps. BUT it’s more general. Over at ReturnofKings it is quite clearly marketed to frustrated blacks and Asians as a magic bullet.

      The level of hostility that the posters express about white women is toxic and quite clearly borne of repeated rejection. Let’s face it, white boys are evolutionarily conditioned to put up with white women. 12,000 years of living together. Blacks are conditioned to be around blacks.

      The feedback loop of evolution between sexes of each race are quite clearly strong. There was an article on the BBC about the diversity of Monkey subspecies who can mate. They’d developed different faces via sexual selection to make sure that cross breeding didn’t occur. I see no particular reason to suppose racial phenotype a didn’t evolve for the same reason.

    • Pluviophile says:

      Perhaps Game decreases in potency outside familiarity, i.e., a White woman will find herself less receptive to game delivered by an African. Still, this wouldn’t disprove its efficacy.

      • Anon2 says:

        Interesting. But is ‘familiarity’ only about race? A nerdy white guy is also unfamiliar to anything a white woman has been attracted to in the past, while every white chick has done it at least once with a black football player in college.

        A white chick might have more familiarity with a black football player than a nerdy white guy, and thus game may decrease in efficacy even for a white man who is entirely not what the woman is accustomed to being attracted to (nerdy, very short, etc.).

      • Pluviophile says:

        while every white chick has done it at least once with a black football player in college.

        Troll … you hid your stench very well.

        Bravo.

      • Anon2 says:

        Um….. I am not happy about it, but that is an objective fact.

        Take a typical big-10 school. The average college chicks are many, and the football players are stars. The highest SMV guys in the entire school. Both white and black.

        The black football player is second only to the 20 or so white football players at the school. He is above all other 20,000 guys in the student body, in the eyes of the 25,000 girls there.

        If you don’t think a black football player on the main team on a big college campus is fucking the white chicks of the student body, you have no clue.

      • Neecy says:

        Exactly. I went to big 10 school and dated football player.

        The Whote girls can’t get enough of black athletes

        “Where da Black Menz at”

      • Anon2 says:

        I should add that if the typical white college chick had sex with 10 guys during college, those comprised of 9 white guys and 1 black guy, who was probably a football player or other high-SMV black guy.

        Don’t forget the other 9 white guys.

        If you are in denial of this, you are delusional.

    • Neecy says:

      Game is innate in most Black men (American). That us why they have success with women (of any race) in general.

      I honestly don’t think many black men need to learn “game” since they’ve been exhibiting these traits for decades.

      White men have been socialized against game so that is why many White males are just now learning.

      • Pluviophile says:

        White men have been socialized against game so that is why many White males are just now learning.

        Philosophes … dazzle us with your insight.

    • Dark Shark says:

      Game in the more strategic sense of interacting with women based on science and objective observations of how females respond to various stimuli will probably help a black man get white women in the same way it helps a white underwear model get white women or a white movie star get white women or a white guy seen riding around in a Lamborghini get white women. Women assume these guys are Alpha before they even open their mouth. A significant percentage of females will be instantly attracted to them due to physical appearance alone. Game will help them more efficiently take advantage of that initial attraction.

      But many of the more specific tactics of Game are intended to help guys who don’t inherently have the same type of initial physical attractiveness to create and maintain Alpha-type attractiveness through more psycholzozlololozical means.

    • KungPao says:

      It can help. Game is not a big threat to white nationalists. Blacks aren’t the only ones who can learn game. The greatest spear of miscegenation is not charming brothas, its unrestricted immigration and diminishment of free association.

      Left to their own devices, most races will go with their own.

      • dah_troof says:

        Left to their own devices, all men of all races will go with white women, QED^100000. Nobody wants shitskins, not even other shitskins.

      • Neecy says:

        I’m curious. Serious question. With all the WHITE WOMAN pedestalizing you beta white men do, ( and putting down of other races of women – which is OMEGA) how much incentive have you received or receive for it from White women? LOL

        Don’t answer. I already know – NONE, NADA. ZILCH, GOOSE EGG!

        I actually smirk a lot now when I see do many WHITE WOMEN with Black guys (nope all of em ain’t fat either) because I get a lot if satisfaction knowing that all the time BETA/OMEGA white guys spend dissing other races of women to PEDESTALIZE and “pussy polish” White women, they are not rewarding you for it at ALL.

        I could care less if you White woman SUPPLICATE until you’re blue in the face. But the need to put other races down to do it speaks to your bitchness as INSECURE DESPERATE white men.

        I’m not against uplifting your race at all as long as you don’t put others down to do it. But white men act like lite bitches because you cannot seem to PEDESTALIZE your “women” on their own merit. You always have to CONVINCE YOURSELVES of something (what I have no clue) by putting down other races of women to uplift your own.

        Actually it speaks to your INSECURITY as white men who constantly only feel worthy of yourselves by constantly telling yourselves “white womens is da best”.

        you guys are pathetic. Even moreso because white women spend ZERO time waxing poetic about how “great” white men are. They in fact have more negative shit to say of White men than positive.

        I’ll be sure to give a thumbs up and laugh everytime I see some cute White girl stepping over a beta white guy to get to a black guy!

        You guys are on a sight trying to learn how to not be BETAS and OMEGAS and you still can’t escape your beta ness no matter how hard you think you have.

        😂😂😂😂

      • thwack says:

        Then how come white people are a minority population on planet earth?

      • Nicole says:

        I’m with Neecy on this one. It’s a sad thing to see men worshiping women who are not only betraying them, but shaping society in a way that makes them obligated to pay for the privilege of being betrayed.

        …but hey, they are “objectively” more beautiful…so I guess it’s worth it to them.

        :: shrug ::

      • Greg Eliot says:

        Heh, heh… NeNe said “goose”… heh, heh.

      • Pluviophile says:

        Don’t answer. I already know – NONE, NADA. ZILCH, GOOSE EGG!

        Your fangs are showing.

      • Pluviophile says:

        I could care less if you White woman SUPPLICATE until you’re blue in the face. But the need to put other races down to do it speaks to your bitchness as INSECURE DESPERATE white men.

        I read somewhere that when multiculturalism succeeds, we’re doomed.

      • Pluviophile says:

        I’ll be sure to give a thumbs up and laugh everytime I see some cute White girl stepping over a beta white guy to get to a black guy!

        Your hatred for White people is visible. Please spare me any if/then rebuttals.

      • Neecy says:

        I hate White people? I’ll be sure to let the White guy I’m seeing now know that 😆😆😆🙎

      • dah_trooof says:

        “I actually smirk a lot now when I see do many WHITE WOMEN with Black guys (nope all of em ain’t fat either) because I get a lot if satisfaction knowing that all the time BETA/OMEGA white guys spend dissing other races of women to PEDESTALIZE and “pussy polish” White women, they are not rewarding you for it at ALL.”

        I hurt you bad, didn’t I? Black women are against miscegenation more than any other demographic, and you suppress your rage at seeing a brutha with a whitegirl by deluding yourself that white men put white women on a pedestal. Alls y’alls negresses know that ALL black men, 100%, would rather be with a white girl, even a fat, ugly, retarded white girl, than with a proud, beautiful [sic], independent shitskin like yourself. The boner never lies: All men of all races want to be with white women, QED^infinity.

    • oral says:

      Niggers HAVE game-in their own way.The purpose of game is to allow natural beta providers to ape the natural alpha.Niggers are NOT providers,by nature.Civil rights is all about freeing th err nigger from the onerous burden of being a beta.Hence flight from we work and family to the THUG LIFE!!

    • Why do black men hate themselves so much, that their main goal in life is to hook up with a white woman ?? That the main question.

      • thwack says:

        You are reading the book sideways.

        Our goal is to hook up with EVERY woman.

      • wolfie65 says:

        A Black man needs ‘game’ only if he is a short nerd, very much like a White man.
        U kiddin’ me?
        In today’s socio-cultural climate in the West, all a Black guy has to do is show up, many women consider it practically illegal to say no to a Black guy.

      • Greg Eliot says:

        In today’s socio-cultural climate in the West, all a Black guy has to do is show up, many women consider it practically illegal to say no to a Black guy.

        More true than not… rare is the white woman who doesn’t at least throw in a “sorry” when stating a preference for white men only.

      • no says:

        Not in red states Wolfe…in fact many hot young black girls are white men only

      • Pluviophile says:

        In today’s socio-cultural climate in the West, all a Black guy has to do is show up, many women consider it practically illegal to say no to a Black guy.

        You…..

        are…..

        …..bizarre.

        I’m beginning to think you’re related to Whiskey.

      • Pluviophile says:

        More true than not… rare is the white woman who doesn’t at least throw in a “sorry” when stating a preference for white men only.

        Even in this cultural climate an obligatory “sorry” is preferable to the outright squandering of genetic heritage.

      • Neecy says:

        @ NO

        NON RACIST white men and Black women ? yes. RACIST white men and black women ? NOT!

    • no says:

      The best kind of game is indirect and requires high levels of social intelligence and probably advanced abstract reasoning skills to some extent. Most game blogs out there are merely elaborate forms of direct game which probably will not give blacks much of an advantage.

  16. nothingman00 says:

    I 110% agree with the idea of beauty being far more objective than we’re told to believe it is. I think everyone more or less knows this innately. At the same time, those composite faces aren’t doing much for me. Not that they necessarily should be, I just expected them to be less boring.

  17. cynthia says:

    I noticed none of the girls in those photo composites is truly obese, and they’re all smiling.

    We know fat makes a women automatically uglier, but what about expression? Can smiling make a woman more attractive? Or by the same token, can a nasty attitude that shows on her face make her uglier?

    • Nepal says:

      There was a another scientific study out a few years ago indicating that smiling while showing teeth makes females seem more feminine and attractive, while it actually makes males seem less attractive. It’s a common primate sign of submission to show one’s teeth, and one wouldn’t be hard pressed to draw the conclusion that a submissive man is less attractive

  18. Anon2 says:

    If you look at the historical country performances in Miss Universe, it seems that Latin America, Japan, and India have higher placements than most of Europe (and the conspicuous absence of China, despite its huge population) :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe_country_rankings

    I also note that the composite image for ‘Europe’ has dark hair. It seems that Southern Europe dominates. That is pretty surprising,

    The ‘Asia’ composite includes yellows, browns, AND whites, since Asian countries come in all 3 of those colors, and all combos of them. Asia really is a Venn Diagram of three races, with Central Asia (the ‘Stans’) being the composite of all three.

    • Interesting. For all the talk about blonde women being the most attractive in the world, there is nary a blonde to be seen in Europe’s composite…

      But I love triguenas, so that’s fine with me.

      • Anon2 says:

        I think majority white with a dash of ‘other’ is most attractive.

        Remember that Southern Europeans are part-Arab, and Eastern Europeans are part-Mongol. Both regions produce more attractive women than the purest countries of NorthWest Europe like Ireland and Britain.

        The prettiest Latina women seem to be 60-80% white, with 20-40% of ‘other’.

        White Americans are generally 95-98% white and 2-5% Native American or Hispanic.

      • The Spirit Within says:

        Totally agreed, Anon2 … but the Stormfront morons who gather around here will leap down your throat for even *daring* to suggest such apostasy…

        The Central Asians have too much Asian for my taste, though.

      • thanks for spreading the myth of being part Arab, i could even tell apart a Spanish from a Turk who are the closest Middle Easterners…. time to read this

        http://lobertrindsay.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/the-muslims-of-spain-moors-moriscos-and-muladies/

      • Caramba says:

        “Remember that Southern Europeans are part-Arab, and Eastern Europeans are part-Mongol.”

        Do you read comments to your moronic posts at all? Cause I have posted tons of links here to a similar comment by you,couple of days ago.This is the most stupid statement I have ever read on this site.

      • Director says:

        Like Grace Kelley?

      • eofahapi says:

        Southern european here. About all being part arab, that is not correct.

        Have you been to South Europe? Only one of my parents is Southern European, and I have green eyes. My fiance is 100% Southern European and has green eyes and pale skin. His mother is blue eyed.

        There are some dark yes, but the facial features are not arab.

        This guy is 100% greek.

      • Anon2 says:

        Caramba,

        Your stupid links are simply wrong.

        Eastern Europe was part of the Golden Horde for many centuries. If you have ever actually BEEN there, you will see many Mongol-looking faces.

        Spain and Sicily have some North-African mixture – Spain was under Islamic rule for 800 years. Italians are known for having curvy noses and talking with their hands (very Arab traits).

        You being dumb is your problem.

      • The Spirit Within says:

        Caramba, you should probably learn a bit about European history. The Mongols went all the way to Hungary, and the Moors owned the Iberian peninsula for 800 years. And the Romans settled in Africa.

        Mind blown?

        My grandfather always said that our eastern European family was part Mongol. He wasn’t joking.

      • Anon2 says:

        There are at least 5 famous actors/actresses/celebs of Eastern European ancestry with a rather Mongol appearance.

        Edward G. Robinson
        Yul Brynner
        Charles Bronson
        Leonard Nimoy
        Melania Knauss-Trump

        I don’t see why this is a problem, if the Mongol rule was 700 years ago. These people are still white, just part-Mongol. A simple visit to any country in Eastern Europe will show this.

        I think Caramba could not bear to see what his DNA ancestry analysis would turn up. He thinks he is 100% white. I would bet real money that he has some percentages that he really would hate.

        Caramba, you should probably learn a bit about European history.

        He is not smart enough to read objective facts.

      • Hammer Of Love says:

        ” Eastern Europeans are part-Mongol. ”

        You sir are an idiot, because I’m sure all the hot Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, ect .. eastern European girls exhibit so many mongoloid features. What a stupid statement. Why don’t you back up your bullshit with some genetic studies, asshat.

      • Anon2 says:

        Hammer of faggotism,

        You clearly don’t know any people from those countries, or you would see the Mongol heritage they have. I gave examples above.

        And why is this a bad thing? The Mongol rule was 700 years ago. I understand that you can’t count that high.

        Eastern Europeans are part Mongol. The Golden Horde controlled EE for many centuries. See the map (even though I doubt you know much about geography, and thus can’t place EE on a map).

      • some german dude says:

        Robinson is Ashkenazi.
        Brynner has a Mongolian parent.
        Bronson is a Tatar.
        Nimoy is Ashkenazi.
        Knauss is from Slovenia where no Mongol ever set foot.

      • Eastern Europeans also have Jewish ancestry… we may look really white, but there’s a lot more to it.

      • no says:

        Spain kicked the Jews out at one point in their history so it must have been a problem

      • Anonymous says:

        ” Anon2
        Hammer of faggotism,

        You clearly don’t know any people from those countries, or you would see the Mongol heritage they have. I gave examples above. ”

        Listen you fuck head, I was actually born in a Eastern European country. So, I say once again, show me your genetic evidence to back up your Mongol claims. I guarantee you cant asshole.

    • Caramba says:

      There are more people with dark hair on earth than with blond hair.Probably 80-90% of population of Europe is dark haired. In fact, the blonds/fair haired dominate only Northern Western Europe and Northern Eastern Europe.

      • Director says:

        I doubt it’s even “domination”. It’s a recessive trait.

      • Anon2 says:

        the blonds/fair haired dominate only Northern Western Europe and Northern Eastern Europe.

        You have just admitted what you were denying in the other comment.

        Southern Europe is part-North-African. Eastern Europe is part-Mongol. Hence, your correct point about where blondes reside.

        Man, tripping up you unthinkers is so easy. Your life would improve if you ever got away from the computer and saw the world.

      • some german dude says:

        So what you’re saying is that you believe dark hair is a non-European trait? Lol.

    • Director says:

      Why wouldn’t dark hair tend to be dominant statistically? Look at the women each nation votes for forward.

    • splooge says:

      well its a composite. The dark haired girls just covered up the light haired ones. Just look at the finalist average, she has lighter hair then anyone.

  19. Anon2 says:

    A composite image of America’s population by decade will also tell is exactly how much removal of whiteness has been occurring over time.

    Composite face of America, 1960, 1980, 2000, 2020, etc…

    That will tell us the real deal, and also get around attempts to expand the definition of ‘white’ (which now includes Arabs and Afghans), by displaying an objective image.

    • Director says:

      The black population is more or less stable (according to census data) the Hispanic population? Jesus Christ.

  20. Neecy says:

    Actually CH this post wasn’t as bad as you thought it’d be. Not saying I agree with your post but it was pretty tame. 👍☝️

    Also if you’re making a case for whiteness and beauty you may not want to feature women who looked mixed I.e the composites don’t look like your atypical white girl. They actually look LATINA. So in fact mixed beauty reigns over European beauty based on what you’ve presented. 😘

    • splooge says:

      well i personally liked the all compsite.
      but the point was even with very different races a beatiful face is univedrsal and shockinly look the similar. but we call it whiteness due to fine feminie features and have a brighter light hue in the skin.
      testoterone darkens are complexion. you can see the difference in bros n sis growing up…from ethnic to white kids. like did u know females are more likely to have light hair n eyes then males too not just complexio.

      • Neecy says:

        Please stop with this testosterone and estrogen bullshit based on light or dark skin!

        None of you idiots can provide and concrete scientific data behind that nonsense you keep spewing!

        If testosterone equals dark then you are saying White males who are fair have low testosterone which means they have more estrogen making them more like women

        Think about the dumb shit you’re saying before you say it!

        Please and thank you!

    • Director says:

      Your avatar is unfuckable.

    • Pluviophile says:

      So in fact mixed beauty reigns over European beauty based on what you’ve presented.

      Does this personal boogeywoman of your’s begin terrorizing you in elementary or high school?

  21. Not sure what you’re trying to prove here? All you’ve pointed out is that you believe that the more whiter a woman (compared to other) the prettier she’ll be. I’m a white guy and think that is pure bullshit.

    • Neecy says:

      God help you from the wrath the neo nazis are gonna bring in 5, 4, 3, 2…,,,

    • One can’t construct their personal tastes (or the tastes of an outlier) around this entire argument. For example, just because we find gay men does not mean falsify the general statement that “men like women”.

      Likewise, there are a few men here and there that prefer fat women, but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority prefer thin women.

      In addition to the studies I have seen such as the one sited by this site’s owner (and there are many), I have been from one side of this planet to the other and I can’t tell you a culture where the men prefer darker women relative to their own hue. Is there some tribe in some jungle in some place that may be an exception? Perhaps. But the exception proves the rule.

      And one CAN NOT BLAME COLONIALISM for this phenomenon. This preference is seen in history books long before colonialism. Indeed, in many Islamic texts the women of heaven are described as being WHITE. Not to mention ancient Hindu and Japanese cultures that long preferred white skinned women.

      • Arabs were white and likely had an in-group bias. Black women were simply convenient, not preferred. However, if in ancient Hindu and Japanese societies there was a preference for actual whiteness somehow not Caucasian, that would have insightful repercussions. Maybe fair skin correlates to an optimal testosterone level balancing physical and mental strength, but that is pure speculation. The documentation of a non-Caucasian whiteness preference would be crucial to interpretation. I am not convinced a human universal biological mechanism operating at primal level oblivious to European creation of modernity but favoring Caucasoid traits could exist. It’s going to take more to convince me. If it can be argued well, it would make a fine post.

      • I’m not saying that there is a universal preference for “Caucasoid” traits, but that men tend to prefer their women be fairer skinned relative to themselves. Only speaking of skin tone here as there are some African cultures (e.g. Mauritania) that prefer their women to be large and disgusting (Google: “Mauritania fattening of bride”). Now THAT is not very “Caucasoid”, but they nonetheless STILL prefer fairer women relative to their own skin tone (even if they like them the size of whales) to the point where skin lightening products are popular there.

        I think it may be that being darker is associated with being more masculine (i.e, out in the sun more and working)

        Additionally famous Black American athletes and entertainers (i.e., those with the most options) tend to mate with women that are fairer than they are even if the woman is black herself. Google any famous black man you can think of with his wife or girlfriend and almost to a man his woman will be lighter skinned than he is.

        No matter how many “black is beautiful” campaigns there have been black men still prefer fairer skinned women. So do Indians. So do Japanese (who are already quite fair skinned). And so do many others.

        The only question I have is about Koreans and the Epicanthoplasty craze. Could THAT be symptom of Westernization? Perhaps.

      • BTW, when Arabs encountered white Frankish women during the Crusades they wrote odes to their beauty, their blue eyes and fair skin. This is documented by medieval Muslim historians such as Ibn Kathir.

      • gaoxiaen says:

        Men prefer darker girls in Papua New Guinea. Can’t think of any others.

      • thwack says:

        Indeed, in many Islamic texts the women of heaven are described as being WHITE. Not to mention ancient Hindu and Japanese cultures that long preferred white skinned women.
        ———————————————————————————————-

        That may be because white is synonymous with weak or weakened?

        diluted…?

      • thwack says:

        Google any famous black man you can think of with his wife or girlfriend and almost to a man his woman will be lighter skinned than he is.
        ———————————————————————————————-

        Does Obama qualify as famous?

      • splooge says:

        @reality Doug
        well light skin in women result in better vitamin D absorption which is crucial in pregnancy.
        women are the fairer sex for a reason while we are the tall dark handsome ones. Plus they did this study of 2 computer generated faces(one dakrer then the other). and people assumed the darker one was the brother,while the sister is assumed to be lighter.
        light skin+feminine,
        dark skin+masculine(makes your muscles look more defined

      • Again, there will always be exceptions (note I said ALMOST to a man).

        And to clarify (in case this strawman is brought) I am NOT arguing that every lighter skinned woman is prettier by default. I am only saying that generally speaking when given options dark skinned men will choose a mate that is lighter skinned than he is.

      • Greg Eliot says:

        Indeed, in many Islamic texts the women of heaven are described as being WHITE. Not to mention ancient Hindu and Japanese cultures that long preferred white skinned women.
        ———————————————————————————————-

        That may be because white is synonymous with weak or weakened?

        diluted…?

        Lawdy,lawdy, thwack done got hisself a thesaurus from the community college Dept. of Coloured Peoples Studies!

        In the real world, white (when referencing heaven or anything divine) is synonymous with “pure”, “unsullied”, “clear”, “good”, “unmarked by sin”, etc., etc.

        There’s a reason He is often referred to as “The White Christ”, especially back in European conversion days of yore.

        If’n ya jes’ tryin’ a troll, thwack, beware… the debbil gonna getcha if’n ya don’t watch out!

      • Greg Eliot says:

        thwack

        Google any famous black man you can think of with his wife or girlfriend and almost to a man his woman will be lighter skinned than he is.
        ———————————————————————————————-

        Does Obama qualify as famous?

        Depends… who’s the real man in THAT relationship?

        LOLZOZLZOZLZOZLOZLOZLOZLOZLOZLOZL

      • no says:

        Hey thwack does Obama qualify as black

    • Tilikum says:

      oh beautiful yet functionally retarded Teddy……

    • splooge says:

      dr.vandal savage
      ya thats true, think when celtic slaves came to arabia and rome, the locals wanted dye their hair blond or wear their hair as wigs…well the women did.

    • Director says:

      The most beautiful woman in the world?
      http://www.becauseiamfabulous.com/wp-content/uploads/lupita_most_beau_2014.jpg

      There are quite literally hundreds of thousands of run of the mill women in Europe, America, Australia and South America who are vastly more attractive.

      Put Lupita N’Bongo in a suit and you wouldn’t even know she was female.

      You have to be a frigging troll.

    • Greg Eliot says:

      Not sure what you’re trying to prove here? All you’ve pointed out is that you believe that the more whiter a woman (compared to other) the prettier she’ll be. I’m a white guy and think that is pure bullshit.

      Well, all righty then!

      Teddy’s white and he doesn’t agree… the issue’s settled… especially since NeNe’s on board!

      lzozlzozlzolzolzolzozlozlozlozl

      • wolfie65 says:

        I also don’t agree.
        As someone who grew up in an environment that was almost 100% White – the odd Turkish laborer here & there, not enough to even produce a blip on the radar, saw my first real-life Black person (a business man or diplomat in a 3-piece suit) when I was 15, maybe 1 or 2 Chinese restaurant waitresses – I can assure you that there are plenty of average and ugly White people.
        There is no direct correlation between skin tone and beauty (=bone structure).

      • Neecy says:

        Thank you! His does a fkn skin tone determine beUty? That is the most ridiculous nonsense ever that’s seeped in White racism.

        If your ass is ugly it’s because of your ugly features not your skin shade.

      • Greg Eliot says:

        The fact that there are plenty of ugly whites and plenty of good-looking coloured folks is not the point, folks.

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

      • Pluviophile says:

        As someone who grew up in an environment that was almost 100% White

        And this right here gives definition to your fetisization of black men. The same is true of your doppelganger, Whiskey.

        Your formative experiences with this cohort consisted of pixelated images racing across a tube television screen, the damage of which has persisted into adulthood.

    • no says:

      You didn’t read the article did you. There is a point of diminishing returns with whiteness but on the other hand all things being equal white is the icing that takes the cake

    • Pluviophile says:

      All you’ve pointed out is that you believe that the more whiter a woman (compared to other) the prettier she’ll be. I’m a white guy and think that is pure bullshit

      Oh… Okay then. It’s settled.
      .
      .
      .

      We really do live is a kakistocracy.

  22. Lazer says:

    “The big wide-set eyes, the bright smiles, the good teeth, the high foreheads and cheekbones, the dainty noses”

    All neanderthal traits. Would be nice to see a morph of socket depth on the females.

  23. So this 18 year old Brazilian girl from Tinder I’ve been texting wants to meet up with me but she wants to bring her 19 year old female cousin. Should I flirt with both of them?

    • Game them both and you’ve got a twofer. Ignore one of them and you’ve got your right hand.

    • driveallnight says:

      You’ll be expected to buy drinks/food for both girls if you let the “cousin” tag along. This is standard in the undeveloped world.

      • Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh says:

        And the developed world, too. Pay for play is wired into a broad’s M.O., no matter where she hails from. The only difference is the amount of resources you’ll be expected to expend before she lets you pound her pussy.

        Obviously, your M.O. should be to minimize your resource investment and maximize your jerk appeal to seal the deal.

    • Mean Mr. Mustard. says:

      I can guarantee you that the cousin will be at least a couple of points less attractive than the girl you are interested in.
      Meet them, get there early, get yourself a drink and wait.
      When they arrive, talk a while, excuse yourself, go to the bar, get yourself another drink and come back … sit down, and then say innocently … ohhh I hope you weren’t hoping that I would buy the both of you drinks.
      If they get up and walk … be prepared to laugh.

    • wolfie65 says:

      Sounds like you’re about to get your wallet milked by 2 li’l scam artists.

  24. Women find male preeminence superlatively attractive. I’m surprised that I don’t see anything here about how ‘white’ has perhaps been made a fashionable rather than an instinctive preference. If women can believe in destroying their own civilization in their heart of hearts, they can certainly have the convictions that create a globally pervasive white fetish. The devil in the details is a masculine concept, women lack moral agency, and I doubt the preference for white is hardwired, not that it couldn’t become that way in 50,000 years. We’ve had a global valuation of sexual value since when? the color TV?

    • Director says:

      The only explanation for blue eyes is that people found them to be aesthetically valuable once they began to appear 12,000 or so years ago. That and the intelligence that seems to be part of the package.

  25. Papa Boner says:

    The 1-3.4 composite is slightly more attractive than my wife now, and she might have just narrowly been a 4.0 at 22. Thanks, donuts.

    That friend girl I was totally obsessed over is a pretty solid 5, and the hottest stripper I’ve ever seen was a solid 7, but most of the ones I’ve seen have been in the 4-6 range, and probably trending toward 5. It’s sad when you can make a living stripping when you’re only a 5.

    Reality is cold, girls. Here is a razor blade. If you want to do it right, dig out the femoral artery, and cut that. No pain, no gain!

    • masonkramer says:

      Don’t worry Papa, the composites of those low-rank cohorts are way hotter than the indivuals in those same cohorts. So your wife may not be hotter than the composite but she’s probably hotter than a lot of women in the composite.

  26. eofahapi says:

    My thoughts about this.
    High estrogen levels/high fertility are associated with fairer skin. – High estrogen higher attractiveness regardless of race. Where as high T is correlated to darker skin, (within one’s race.)

    High estrogen is also associated with more narrow nose, larger eyes and a generally more neotenous face. The objective of beauty is a typical high estrogen high fertility face.

    From a cultural perspective, dark and tanned skin is associated with poverty. At least in Europe. It indicates a woman of lower social status who had to labor in the fields, darkening the skin.
    Interestingly even Songs of Solomon in the Bible has this verse,

    “Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.” Songs of Solomon 1.6.

    I think there are beautiful women of every color of skin, but that there is a general preference for fairer skin universally, is accepted, I think.

  27. whorefinder says:

    I would rape all these fake women. Darn you reality!

    Composite rape!

    (Also, PA is a gay liar. Skittles!)

  28. Amy says:

    Where are all the blondes?!?

  29. Sadarah says:

    Women like me are indeed rare. I’m 48 and I still get asked for my I.D. I’m fair haired, fair eyed with a fair complexion and slender. The fact that people don’t believe I’m really my age proves that it is actually exceedingly rare for a woman of my age to look like me. I’ve seen some dumpy women half my age though so that probably skews people’s opinion too.

    That being said, everyone should take care of themselves regardless of age or gender. I honestly don’t understand how anyone can feel comfortable in their own bodies when they are borderline diabetic and nearing obesity.

    • LP says:

      People are asking for your ID because you are likely in a state that has mandatory checking regardless of age.
      I’m sure you look younger than 48, but don’t be delusional. Nothing is more unattractive, really.

      • Sadarah says:

        Oh I have no illusions about myself but where I get asked for my i.d. is usually not mandatory. I will be with my husband in a sushi restaurant and they will ask for my I.d. (not my husband’s) before I can order saki or at pretty much any family restaurant. I find it annoying and not flattering at all because it’s embarrassing and inconvenient at my age.

    • thwack says:

      What colour are you?

      Black girls bodies make them look older when they are younger; but their skin makes them look younger when they are older.

    • splooge says:

      you shpuld post pictures many non asian women esp. white use the excuse “we dont age well” and not take care of themseles. assumin you are truthful u are the dodo sadly..hopefully more people try to care for themselves better.

  30. AlphaBeta says:

    Beauty has a purpose. It doesn’t exist just to exist. The purpose of beauty is — for men — an advertisement of how healthy and fertile a woman is. This is why lighter skinned women are preferable. It’s much easier to tell health/fertility in light skin than dark skin (the same is true for blond hair. Post-wall natural blond is much more obvious than other post-wall hair).

    This also explains why women don’t place as much of an emphasis on looks as men. We bring much more to the table than fertility.

  31. Anonymous says:

    The single largest group on Earth are the Chinese – 1.4 billion in China, at least 300 million abroad, and growing at the rate of 10 million a year with 70,000 immigrating to the U. S. every year. In this sense they are typical human beings, and yet the Chinese tend to be short and broad-faced. God, apparently, loves short broad-faced people who won’t win any beauty contests. After all, He created so many if them 🙂

    • tang3zang says:

      Nonsense.

      We created ourselves through endless, socially mandatory fucking

    • So what? these Chinese men (and some Korean) have millions of fangirls

    • I went out on a date with a Chinese born woman that I met via an online dating website. She has lived in Australia for the last 8 years.

      Points of note:
      – unusually tall for an Asian at around 5’8′. Late 30’s, divorcee, no kids.
      – ok looking but had the typical flat ass and flat chest.
      – her manner was too rapid fire and business like.
      – English delivered with a strong Chinese accent gets annoying.

      Having tried with Chinese women a handful of times now, I have realised that the only way to seduce one is to take her out to an expensive restaurant (you pay of course) and bring along printouts of all your assets and your business plan.

      Never again.

      • wolfie65 says:

        Not into east Asian chicks – for the reasons you stated – but Chinese-American girls come in 2 basic flavors: Ultra-traditional, will only look at Asian guys (who will need to bring his bank printouts to the first date), because mom, dad and 10,000 years of culture say no to anything else, or hyper-hip wanna-be ghetto chicks chasing the Black guys with the most gold chains, downest dope and flyest rims.

    • no says:

      Hey Jesus was only 5’3 130

  32. Neecy says:

    Don’t forget fellas – The DARKER you are the more handsome and masculine you appear to all races.

    So just be sure that while you’re talking about “fairness” being preferred by men, the same ain’t true when it comes to womens preferences which is DARK.

    Just thought id remind you of that 😉

    • You would probably love all the ISIS and Al-Qaeda fighters then. They would show you a really dark, good time.

      • Nicole says:

        No need. There will be plenty of the darkest, most beautiful men at the Shango festivals worldwide this year.

        When African women love African men, we’re doing things right. Since we’re so ugly, y’all shouldn’t miss us or complain.

      • Anonymous says:

        ” When African women love African men, we’re doing things right. ”

        You’re one of the few Black / African posters on here that actually understands things correctly Nicole.

    • splooge says:

      agreed. the darker complexion makes you look more musculer and mascukine. least it makes u look more outdoorsy n healthy.
      but i think its weird though that out in india guys are using skin lighting cream …they must be gay or metrosexual.
      fairness is just that nice femine glow that should stay on women

      • Mean Mr. Mustard. says:

        India has historically had a caste system (use your Google-fu) and dark skin is associated with having to work, outdoors type, hard work.
        Lighter skin is associated with aristocracy and wealth.
        This also applies right through Asia.
        It is not uncommon to see Asian women in particular, walking around Western cities using an umbrella to shield themselves from the sun.

      • splooge says:

        well aware of it…im from the culture. buti think thats a front cuz we as humans plain like fair skin in females. the wealthy go outside enjoyin their wealth an they darken up as well. do you know how hard it is to lighten skin without creams.its very hard. like i havent worn sandals since i was a kid. now my feet is just a lil lite brown. keep inmind i had fair skin like a white person as a baby. but im a kal penn brown.
        frowin up when our skin looked light we were complimented for bein good lookin not how rich they were. im guessin people put tgat theory together due to richer people takin begter care of themselves and had a healthy glow from a good diet while the poor didnt. not like the rich locked themselves in dark basements 24/7 or wore burkhas(its original use in arabia)

    • Greg Eliot says:

      Don’t forget fellas – The DARKER you are the more handsome and masculine you appear to all races.

      Brad Pitt and Robert Redford be (((shakin’ they haid))).

      James Dean and Steve McQueen be spinnin’.

      I don’t recall any posters of Sidney Poitier in girls’ bedrooms, back in the day.

      • wolfie65 says:

        Darker skin creates deeper shadows, making muscles look more pronounced, which is why many light-skinned body builders will tan or spray-tan before a competition.
        Even if their actual development is equal, the darker guy will LOOK more ripped.

      • Greg Eliot says:

        Thank you, Cap’n Obvious…

        But the original claim was darker = more handsome and masculine… musculature itself is but one part of “masculine”… and to many women, not even a significant part.

        Up until recent times, “tall, dark, and handsome” was an expression that invariably described the looks of a Tyrone Power, Bill Medley, George Hamilton, etc.

        Not Sidney Poitier… or Richard Roundtree… or Will Smith… luzlzozl

      • no says:

        Lol yep @ GE

      • splooge says:

        jd n sq are old.
        brad pitt in fight club when he had that tan goin was a teen girls wet dream. girls worship status first hence why beiber is king to them. he looks like a dyke but yet they want him. the only blavks i can think of would be usher or will smith. when they put in a white actor he aint a ginger hes always a tanned or olive toned dark hgired guy

      • splooge says:

        o yaforgot about tyson beckford…now jeremy meek lol

    • Amy says:

      For me this is somewhat true. I’m very fair skinned but seem to be most attracted to men who are darker-complected… my bf is “black Irish”, my HS bf was of Italian descent, etc. Dark skinned men are very attracted to blondes… I wonder if there’s a biological basis for it. Are we are programmed to be attracted to people mostly–but not exactly– like us, to keep the gene pool strong?

      *And in case my troll comes along, I am talking about darker-complected CAUCASIANS. Not African-Americans or Hispanics.

      • Hammer of Love says:

        “black Irish”

        Oh dear god, a “black Irish” . I’m sure his ancestors fought alongside William Wallace ! Some people are beyond hope.

        Say hi to your ” white Zulu” friends for me sweet cheeks.

      • Hammer of Love says:

        ” I wonder if there’s a biological basis for it. ”

        Sure baby. That’s why we still have white , blue eyed, blond hair people on this planet, because their’s a biological basis for blondes and the dark races to mate. Your logic is amazing. lolz

      • PA says:

        The “dark and handsome” Whites aren’t necessarily darker-skinned than blonde Whites. Some have very light skin. They just have darker eyes and hair — and facial features that cast a “darkness” over their eyes. A young Daniel Day Lewis (or any number of classic leading men) is one example.

    • Bob Wallace says:

      Sorry, but all black girls want white dick because no one wants to be black, and everyone wants their kids to be lighter. And if you want to use that Alpha/Omega hierarchy, blacks are the Omegas of the entire world – on the bottom in every country.

      • splooge says:

        well in their case its hypergamy…which trumps everything. Probably explains why the pale races were the most hard working like german barbarians vikings japanese etc. But you can be a muscular black slave descendant like Jack Johnson and the white bitches be flocking to them. His charisma,physique and boxing skills was all he needed in his time period.
        you can check stormfront in the “ladies only” section, they have a”tall dark and handsome” thread all men with dark brown or black hair with usually an olive complxion…some fair. red heads and blondes got little to no love. And these are WN women, gets you thinking about non-wn women and the libtards.

  33. thwack says:

    Study is flawed because they don’t show their bodies.

    • Sadarah says:

      Funny you mention that, because there are some women who have naturally slender faces and big, dumpy bodies. When you’re driving down the highway, never flirt with a girl who isn’t in a convertible. lol

      • thwack says:

        I don’t know about you guys but I see fertility and fecundity in a womans body shape too, not just her face.

        The idealized perfect white female face worshiped by many here only goes so far for me; I can appreciate it; but it could never overcome all the other variables necessary to select a wife, GF or lover…

        I don’t have a problem with white males using it; but they shouldn’t attempt to project it onto all other men.

      • Greg Eliot says:

        I’m a tit man myself.

  34. Mean Mr. Mustard says:

    Off topic, but worthy of its own thread.

    All I can say is OUCH …. fucking OUCH.

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/love,-sex-and-relationships/the-three-little-words-that-ended-a-marriage-20140810-3dg37.html

    He didn’t make the entitled c*nt feel “special”.

    • Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh says:

      Dude should conduct a paternity test on both of his daughters. If they’re not his, he can make up for lost time by stabbing them repeatedly with his cock.

    • Glengarry says:

      Welcome to beta world.

      But I had to go on, I had to fight my cramping stomach and ask the big questions. Are you sleeping with him? Of course not! Are you in love with him? Don’t be stupid! She made me feel guilty for questioning her loyalty, for going through her phone. She was sorry. She didn’t want to risk our family over something so trivial.

      A few days later, my wife decided that our marriage was over. She had found her “soul mate” and wanted to be with him, not me. I know it’s a cliché, but I genuinely hadn’t seen it coming.

      Note the stonewalling then flipping of the shitwife (and, throughout, the lack of balls of the beta). Zero respect. Remember that if you’re a married “provider”.

  35. […] Beauty Is Objective, Fair-Skinned, And White-ish (Chateau Heartiste) […]

  36. tang3zang says:

    Of course, this is all the product of western media propaganda, glorifying the thin white girl image.

    But to be serious, paleness is associated with youth, and women are paler than men from any race. When people tell me Asian guys to like moon-pale women because of whites, I tell them it’s probably been that way since before we knew whites existed.

  37. some german dude says:

    The composites look eerily lifeless, exaggerated facial symmetry isn’t very attractive. Women who participate in beauty pageants invest so much in their make up/hair do/surgery to conceal potentially unattractive features, but the result is a sort of McDonald’s beauty which appeals only to the masses. Contrast this with fashion models who are actually selected for their unique features.

    • Mean Mr. Mustard says:

      Give me a slightly curvier, lingerie type model any day of the week.
      Fashion models tend to be tall, bony, skinny bitches.

  38. having a bad day says:

    FR

    first of all…DAMN you, CH…lol…damn you and your teachings of reality-based observation of female beauty and behavior…lol…

    i went to the BIG MALL for a shopping expedition…weekend afternoon, typical nice summer day, so people were out and about (and should have been happy…lol)…I haven’t been there since I was blue-pill beta, a couple years ago… hundreds of stores/shops, thousands of people…and I started making observations…lol…

    external observations – it was busy, busy, busy…but i was surprised at the change of scenery…lol… i remember scoping out hundreds of ‘hot’ girls/women the last time i was there. this time, not so much…lol…and while it’s possible that the quality of girls went down that much in 2 years, it’s MUCH more likely that i changed…lol…

    THIS time, there wasn’t more than a couple dozen girls (total) that i would even consider crossing the courtyard/food court to open. there were still thousands of girls/women around, but my standards/observational reality has changed…REALLY changed…lol…

    where last time there were just hundreds of “hot” girls in the 8 to 10 range…(and i didn’t think I had a shot with any of them…lol)…now there was just – buck teeth, man jaws, bad skin, skinny hips, short hair, ‘less than pleasing’ facial symmetry, etc…lol…oh, and LOTS of FAT…bleh…lol…

    there were visible tats on about half of the women, and of the ‘passable’ girls (over a 6)…about 70% had visible tats…I also noticed that every woman that had ‘brightly’ colored hair was FAT…lol…i didn’t see one, NOT ONE, female that was less than a beachball shape that had the ‘look at ME’ hair color…lol…it was really sad actually…lol…

    i noticed that none, and i mean NONE, of the women that i saw with their betas in tow looked happy…they looked cranky, bitchy, stressed, put out, etc. EVERY one of them…facial expressions, body language, interaction distancing, etc. was NOT excited about being out in public with their ‘special guy’…lol…

    my impression was that the average for the group (the greatest number) was about 4-5…but this was mostly due to the great amount of FAT…many of the girls would have been in the 6-7 range, but weren’t bcz of the fat…

    lots of girls were in their couple/trio shopping groups…lots of sun dresses and short shorts…and some of them should NOT have been…lol…but mostly these girls were in the 6-7 range, with one or two 8s…

    introspective observations – i am no longer ‘thirsty’…lol… out of the thousands of women there, i only would have considered about a couple dozen or so to be worthy of my time/effort, and most of those were high school/college age…although one (only ONE!…) woman really pinged my ‘lets make a baby’ genetic dna…lol…a blonde/blue mid-thirtys mom with 2 small and a beta hubby with the baby cart in tow…she was 15 pounds of baby fat too much, with a short ‘mom-do’ and no tits, but she really pinged my baby-making dna…lol…she would have been an 8 on her best day ever, but it didn’t matter…lol…she must have been a perfect genetic match bcz all the other women were mostly background noise…although there was that trio of real jailbait at a department store counter, but only 2 of those were pushing 8-9…lol…and i knew i had TRULY changed my attitude to completely red pill when i seriously considered opening them for a foursome…lol…

    i attribute my lack of thirst to ONE thing…an abundance of options…lol…this leads to gettin’ laid on the reg…WITH the expectation/reality of whenever i want, and if not at home, it’s an easy trip to the [grocery store/mall/city park/beach/bookstore/coffee shop] to get some…lol…literally almost everywhere…lol…that sack-drained existence leads to a choosiness that i would have never thought possible even two years ago, but NOW is just my new normal…lol…and i was getting plenty of IOIs in the BIG MALL…lol…i even got the ‘surprised’ ‘you want ME?’ hamster reaction when she saw i was checking her out…and then the return IOIs from her…lol…i had to leave FAST…lol…my dna was startin’ to perk…lol…

    and just so anyone reading this thinks i’m a natural…uh…NO…lol…i was a ‘spergy’ super-beta, white-knighting man-boob, that championed feminism…([spits]…lol) until i HAD to get some game to avoid a VERY bad divorce (and it was CLOSE, even with getting some game…) that was inevitable…as in freight-train of DOOM on the track to HELL inevitable…now?…not so much…lol…and if i can do it, ANYBODY can do it…IF you put in the WORK…

    so, damn you, CH… for opening my eyes…lol…and THANK YOU…for opening my eyes…lol…

    • gunslingergregi says:

      i noticed that none, and i mean NONE, of the women that
      i saw with their betas in tow looked happy…they looked cranky,
      bitchy, stressed, put out, etc. EVERY one of them…facial expressions,
      body language, interaction distancing, etc. was NOT excited about being out
      in public with their ‘special guy’…lol…i noticed that none, and i mean NONE,
      of the women that i saw with their betas in tow looked happy…they looked cranky,
      bitchy, stressed, put out, etc. EVERY one of them…facial expressions, body language,
      interaction distancing, etc. was NOT excited about being out in public with their
      ‘special guy’…lol…”””””””””””’

      yea its nice to take a new bitch out
      took one out today i have never taken anywhere but known a while
      she ain’t seen her mom in two years but had to go home so she could tell
      her mom i was taking her to amusement park
      called me like 15 times asking if i was really taking her
      she basically couldn’t believe it
      i was like yea i’m serious she like what time multiple times
      like she won the lottery or some shit she was nervous as fuck
      at the park i have her sit on my lap and her pussy is on fire
      like burnin the fuck up lol
      had to bust on her a little he he he
      but yea she got in on my other girls season pass lol for free
      then i bought vip tickets for rides and at end i told her sell last two
      and that paid for the other vips we used so free trip
      that was pretty awesome really could make a living doing that shit
      this bitch thanked me like 300 times for taking her with me
      wants to stay night tonight
      i may let her
      but yea most couples it does look somewhat dreary

  39. Cedric says:

    Heartiste,
    Man when are you gonna release a bull shut free non Professor talk compendium of just lines, routines, negs, compliance tests and all other merciless but solid game techniques to apply in the field. I don’t want to be a Professor just a hustler out on the street using the best tactics possible to hunt poon. You’re material is some of the best- why don’t you make a book of war tactics? There’s to much half ass junk on the market now- readers deserve better.

  40. Stationarity says:

    What is considered beautiful are features that are average, ie. not outliers. It has been demonstrated that morphing a picture of a supermodel with another woman results in a better looking woman. Whites in America and Europe are far more interbred than blacks in Africa. Look at old pictures of whites from the early 1900s. Very obvious Irish, German, Italian, etc. features. Europe had nation states that conquered one another, Africa had small regional tribes. Most of the blacks in America are from West Africa and have stereotypical West African features. East Africans look much different.

  41. […] It seems there are still a few hermits and delusional freaks who think beauty is in the eye of the beholder and every beholder is different so, following the logic of this platitude, anyone can be beautiful if they immerse themselves in enough…  […]

  42. Mr Meaner says:

    OT: Tinder update

    I’m up to about 220 matches in about 12 days. No indiscriminate swipes. 80% hotties.

    Here’s my issue: I’d have to quit my job to actually catch up with all the women who message me first (About 60-70 of the 220 have initiated the messaging).

    There’s no way I can keep on top of all the number exchanges and potential dates, so I’m finding myself ONLY catching up with the ones who go out of their way to chase/ set up dates. This narrows it right down to a manageable 5 or 6 per week.

    I’m an above averaging looking guy (early 30s) with decent social skills but I hate club/group environments and find excessive socializing exhausting. I seem to have found my niche with Tinder – it’s almost entirely looks based followed by witty text banter (I’m great at that) and then usually a one-on-one meet and greet, followed by, in some cases, sex. No approaching. No group socializing. No dancing or extrovert behaviour required. It couldn’t be more tailor-made for someone like me.

    Is this how dating feels for hot women in their prime years? Not replying to 85% of their options because they just have so many? Not having to do anything they don’t want to?

    • wolfie65 says:

      Make that ignoring 99% of their options and not having to do anything other than show up and breathe and you got it.

    • Zombie Shane says:

      Meaner, step back from the trees and take a gander at the forest. You are describing just about a complete breakdown of all human socialization.

      And you are also describing a “Big Man R001z” environment within which handsome witty Alphas can accelerate away from the rest of the pack like never before.

    • Zombie Shane says:

      [LIFO’ed] This is awesome for dudes like me and you, but UTTERLY DISASTROUS for the species as a whole. We are going to get exponentially more “structural incest” than we have ever seen before. Be scared. BE VERY VERY SCARED.

  43. Greg Eliot says:

    After seeing those composites, I have just one question:

    WHERE DA WHAAYT WIMMENS AT?

    • thwack says:

      Father Eliot, are you hearing confessions this morning?

      • Greg Eliot says:

        Only my own, Brother Thwack… only my own. 😉

      • thwack says:

        Well too bad; you’re the only one who can help:

        I find myself filled with shame; I hit on a blind white girl the other day.

        I don’t know what came over me, it just slipped out…

        This can’t be right. What should I do?

        Please help.

        Thanks.

      • Greg Eliot says:

        That’s okay, kid… this is why God, in His great wisdom, gave your ilk a certain (ahem)… shall we say, redolence?

        It was so blind people could hate y’all too.

        LZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLOZLZOZLOZLOZLOZL

  44. dan says:

    hey guys , have you checked those “dear abby” articles in yahoo?? on which people ask for advice and someone called abby answers back? check the answers she give to fat women. those are awesome. http://uexpress.com/dearabby/2014/8/10/0/overweight-womans-bikini-top-gets-harsh

    • Greg Eliot says:

      When I’m home, I have a bikini top and shorts I prefer to wear. This is because I don’t like being covered up like it was in the 1950s, and I feel good when my curves are properly accentuated.

      Properly accentuated…

      Sigh… I remember when accuracy of language used to count for something. 🙁

    • Mr. Wiggles says:

      I can’t believe Dear Abby actually called her out on the actual problem, her obesity. Good for Dear Abby!

      I think older men and women (think seniors) are more or less red pill, so to speak. They call it like they see it and aren’t interested in blowing smoke.

  45. JJ12344 says:

    Anyone notice that only the 6.5 and up girls are even remotely okay looking. The rest just look plain ugly.

  46. JJ12344 says:

    I’d also say that 41 yr old 9.5 is way hotter than all the composites below 8.5.

  47. Dr. Giggles says:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that beauty is the result of civilization. The reason we see white women as the standard in beauty across the world, is because the places they hail from (North America, Europe) have had the most advanced civilizations in recent history.

    Places like Asia, Africa and South America don’t have as many pretty women. The reason has to do with the harsh environments that requires that you have manlier traits in order to survive and pass on your genes. Anyone notice how the men are more attractive than the women? You see it even in America,in its most harshest places as Heartiste once observed:

    “On my occasional forays into the ghetto, I recurrently note just how beastly the local girls look. Huge jaws and brows that could sprout Wolverine claws when roused to anger. Maybe this is the end result of a mating market where generations of women have spread for the most violent, thuggish men in the hood…Are redneck girls getting manlier also?” (ED. Yes they are and always were)

    Neoteny and Neotenic traits like hairlessness, small jaws, and low browridges are the features that make women attractive. But these traits make them unfit to survive a wild enviroment like jungles or the African Savanah. Western civilization with its advanced technology is the cradle that protects soft baby-like genes from being pushed out by hard manly genes. Civilization creates more abundance of beauty.

    BTW one corollary to this abundance of created beauty is that it creates an abundance of Betas at the same time. Thats why you see so many handsome men in Sweden, and soft Scalzis and baby-faced David Futrelles in America.

  48. lollipopy288 says:

    “It could be bias.”

    Yes, I agree with this statement. You are Caucasian, so it would make sense for you to have a preference for Caucasian women or to imagine that the pinnacle of beauty would be what you assume is a European look. That is fine if that is your personal taste.

    But I think that if all women looked the same, it would be boring. One of the fascinating things about beauty is that women from all over the world can look so different and still exhibit beauty.

    I think this woman is beautiful:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Megan_Fox_promoting_Transformers_in_Paris.jpg

    just as i think these women are beautiful:

    https://www.berlinale.de/media/60_jubilaeum_1/starportraits/2003_2/2003-9804LiGong_IMG_x900.jpg

    http://www.lasenegalaise.com/thumbnail.php?src=photos/pictures/1010928298228922222.jpg&w=735&zc=1

    They all look different and you may have your preference for a certain look, but there is no way you can say as differently as they look that any of them aren’t beautiful.

    • Hammer of Love says:

      Aren’t these photos, crimes against humanity ?

      I will now go burn my eyes out.

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