This is filched from another pickup forum because it so neatly encapsulates the type of attitude you’ll get from smartass girls. CH is, we profess with some pride, well-schooled in the razor-sharp art of parrying smartass chicks; born and bred in a sea of sarcasm n’ snark queens, we have learnt our trade the best way possible: scrotum to ginezone.
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.How would you guys respond to this?
The BEST game for smartass girls is calling her smartassery and raising it. For example:
Honky Dong: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Honky Dong: Try not to break a sweat then.
Smartass girls are one part smart, two parts ass. This kind of escalating play of wits is their Moloko Plus. They require it, they need it, they love it. It’s not hard to do once you crack the code. The trick is to know when to execute the sudden stop and drop the gear into seductive seriousness. This will usually occur around iteration three of the flirtatious exchange. Game newbs make this mistake a lot; they see they’re provoking positive reactions, so they figure “hey, more of a good thing can’t hurt”. But it can. Too much teasing makes jack a predictable clown.
Unpredictability is king. Proper teasing is something most men don’t do, which is why it’s so arousing to women. But something else that even fewer men do is taking the lead on changing the courtship course. Excite a girl with your nofucksgiven banter, then excite her more with a sly fuck given.
FIRST
…to cum.
me ..walk in a shop ..say to girl “them nails look different who painted them”.. girl says ..” me” ..i say are they fake, girl says” no”.. there real” i say ..so ya creative and origional …girl blushes …works everytime… daygame in a nutshell
Fingernail game is awesome.
But even better is toenail game.
Now that it’s getting warmer, and the chicks are breaking out the sandals [or even walking shoeless in the grass], and with swimming pool & beach season just around the corner, it’s time to start dusting off your toenail game openers FTW.
what is this ‘yah’ crap? is this a pathetic attempt to emulate yareally or is this an organised attempt at subersive infiltration Tyler Durden style of yareally on the CH? speak english.
GFBM: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
GBFM: workz cool I cock-in & cock-out & u pay me. lzlozozl
Roger that.
I didn’t realize you’d already laid your claim. I apologize for the intrusion.
BTW…you look good M. Just how I remember you 🙂
Adios my amor.
I apologize. Seeing that M on my screen reminded me of someone I used to know. It caught me off guard. I acted on a hunch and I responded without thinking. Not good.
Running into that person and contacting him like I did would actually be a very bad thing so I’m honestly hoping you aren’t him. It is also highly unlikely that you are so I’m pretty sure I was just being paranoid.
Again, I apologize for the trouble.
My kind of gal. I can’t help it. But I’m here for practice exercises if y’ all need it.
…so you’ll be a pain in the ass for absolutely no reason at all..your sex drive must be sagging
Jesus H Christ, if she’s already a “smart ass” BEFORE marriage, can you imagine the pure unadulterated 24×7 living hell it would be if she were actually your wife?
Having the specter of divorce-industrial-complex financial-rape backing her up with its legalistic heavy artillery?
SMART ASS == PUMP AND DUMP
Only a fool would settle into an LTR with a smart ass.
Really? It seems to increase men’s desire for me if anything.
@ls: No it doesn’t. You’re projecting and making the same mistake as Maureen Dowd. -And probably on the way to ending up a spinster just like her.
But by all means, spin that freaking hamster.
…how many men have you had
GET RAPED AND DIE, UGLY.
Or at least pregnant.
lozozozoz
u have much experienczezz with lotsas cockasz
but wise man GBFM syaysz
an experiencez womenz is like an experiencedz tamponz
smellz like fishz but not good 2 eat
feminist(butto)x,
Shut…
Your Butt…
With a Coconut…
Behind Pizza Hut…
Ya Horny slut…..
Sixth Grade Game FTW.
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Maybe This Aplha Attitude Works?
So here is the latest. Things are looking up a little. So no contact with my HB9 since Tuesday. And I am not budging like I have been advised. Even if she calls. The experts on here advised not taking her call. That’s going to be tough but I am going to do it. In the meantime I am working on some spinning plates. And wanted to give a report on her for critique. I am still in the recovery room. So any of the experts in here can look at me like the remedial student who needs lots of extra help. But I am willing to put in the work And be an example for all of the noobs out there that don’t even ask.
#1 She is a divorced MILF a 6.5 with a great body, 40YO white. Cool attitude. We met once about two weeks ago. In the park it went well, we made out some, good kisser. She has sent me some sexy photos, and she agrees the man should be in charge. We are in contact about ever two or three days. But she had a surgical procedure so will not be available for about a week or so. She is down for a FWB situation to start with. I am just getting into the whole Red Pill thing so I actually started from a pretty Beta frame with her. And I am changing that. She should make a good back up fuck buddy. We are supposed to meet in about a week. Lots of sexy talk so it should progress quickly from here. She should be DTF as soon as we meet. Any thoughts?
#2 This was a surprise and a testament to never closing the door behind you. A young one that I was working on about 6 months ago that I thought was gone contacted me with an email that said she “was thinking about me”. I called her and we are set up for lunch next week. She is very cute. Another former cheerleader and gymnast. About 5’3” very tight compact body. Small boobs but a killer ass. 24 YO white, great smile. I give her a solid 7. Really cool also no drama. She also had a health problem and that is why she dropped out of the picture. I know this is true. It was real serious with her. She has also had some DUI issues in the past. But she works at a good job and goes to college, nice cozy apartment. I suspect she had been probably partying pretty hard and now she is a little more settled. She does not have a high sense of entitlement. She may make a good regular meetup. Thoughts comments?
#3 Now this one is interesting. I looked her up after I started my spinning plate search. She is 42 white professional, divorced a while ago no kids, makes good money her own house and a nice car. By the way in her previous marriage she was the supporter of her loser probably alpha husband. She got taken to the cleaners on the divorce. Very independent, friendly and gorgeous. Now I know all of your are thinking. She cant be that great shes 42 but I am telling you. She was a 9 in her younger days. I put her at a solid 8 today. Her body is better than most 25YO’s not a wrinkle on her clear skin. She is very cool and fun. Very high quality. She could get any guy she wanted before and she did, now she is 42, and I am the prize. And she is only 8 years younger than me. But if you saw her she could easily pass for 32. Also she is an old friend of mine. And yes I am sexually interested in her and yes she knows but I have never tried anything other than light flirting since I have been married and I was too Beta. But not anymore. We meetup for drinks and talk about every 6 months. So I figured what the hell I would try to see what I could do. I know for a fact that she is very fond of me and there has always been sexual tension between us.
She is in a relationship with a guy that is a true beta with a wrecked personal life. And this woman has everything but the one thing she does not have is a baby. And she wants one. Bad. She wants to do it with her current BF but he is too fucked up. So she will probably leave him. She never says that but she tells me all of her stories and it is obvious. She has always treated me like gold. And she confides in me willingly. Now I know I am supposed to be going for sex. But this is new to me so I am getting there. I am changing the frame and my attitude. In fact that is why I think I have been able to get so many prospects so quickly that my attitude is changing and that is showing through a little.
So then I tell her about my HB9 and the affair we are having and all the crazy shit that is going on with the 9. And her response was immediate. She said that the 9 is very insecure and is going to keep pulling me down. She predicted that the 9 will continue to contact me even though I am dark. She said that I need to get away from her because she could cause me a lot of problems. The competition anxiety was so strong I could feel my friends gina tingling all the way across the table we were sitting at. Where she bought all of the drinks at this swanky downtown watering hole where we were meeting at. So then I show her a picture of my HB9. And this amps it up even more. She starts picking the picture apart. Since she is a 9 she cannot say she is not pretty but she starts going off on my 9’s makeup and stuff. Now this divorcee is very very well put together. Nice clothes perfectly coiffed. So she actually knows what she is talking about.
And she is not the jealous type. Then we get on the subject of my wife and she starts to tell me that I am going to have to make a decision. That if “I am having these affairs then I must not be getting what I need at home and that sometimes it is better to just end it and move on with my life.” So I just listen and look down at her perfect cleavage and touch her every once in a while. All the time making strong eye contact, not leaning in, and keep taking up space with my body. (see I have learned a few things) I could feel the attraction going up. And her loosening up as she had another glass of wine. We ended up flirting a little talking about her some and then ended it. The Hypergamy was very clear and obvious to me now. Ten years ago she was till fucking hunky Alpha men in their 20’s while she was in her 30’s, and of course they all treated her like shit. While I was a married beta orbiter who was her friend and gave her attention. And she would have never fucked me then because I had no game and was too old for her. It is so clear now. But now I am 50 and she is 42 and is dying to have a baby. I am more attractive now because of my age, and she is running out of time.
I can almost smell the desperation in her and how she is scheming to find a good mate. Man this is weird. I think if I told her I was going to divorce my wife tomorrow and lets get together. She would have a spontaneous orgasm right on the spot. But I really do not want to have any more kids. I am 50 and I would be close to 70 before they were grown. But she is a quality woman and she would have no problem doing most of the heavy lifting raising them. Lol But she makes one hell of a spinning plate. This woman turns heads everywhere she goes. And she would be awesome for making my other plates more competitive. So I made sure I got a nice photo of us together so I could show other prospects. Any ideas on how to exploit this? Also keep in mind that she is my friend and I am not out to fuck her over. But I sure wouldn’t mind fucking her.
Let me know what you think and any suggestions.
“So no contact with my HB9 since Tuesday. And I am not budging like I have been advised”
You get points for not stalking her, but she is gone. You will never hear from her again. You get some points in her brain (not that it helps you as you are not going to fuck her) for not being a creepy stalker and for taking the hint to let her go.
The 42 year old is biologically too old to have kids. The real world is not Madonna as presented on MSM.
I don’t think she’s gone. Once she figures out she can’t get his attention with a snap of her fingers (or at all), she’ll be all over him. I know because I’ve been there. Lol
A Random Guy, i’m pretty sure that’ what happened to Boris Becker. Some Brazilian chick blew him in the coat room of a restaurant in London and saved the deposit.
“I don’t think she’s gone. Once she figures out she can’t get his attention with a snap of her fingers (or at all), she’ll be all over him. I know because I’ve been there. Lol”
Amy is right about this. I’ve been there too.
I think if you have sex with the 42 year old you need to wear two condoms and make sure you keep chain of custody.
And/or stick to oral/anal (although at least one case I’ve read about where the guy thought he was safe with oral – the chick saved it and used it to impregnate herself – he had to pay child support for 18 years…)
Funny
Oh yes, sperm-stealing is a thing. After sex, save, tie off, and flush the condom.
“The 42 year old is biologically too old to have kids. The real world is not Madonna as presented on MSM.”
It’s unlikely but not impossible. I know several women that have gotten pregnant in their mid to late forties without medical intervention. Usually by accident because they thought they were menopausal. And interestingly enough, they all looked pretty young for their age too.
So if you aren’t sure whether or not you want more kids, you need to cover your bases with birth control or avoid that woman all together.
But it sounds like you might consider having a child with her. If you are seriously considering that you need to get a move on it and put a bun in her oven like…immediately. The clock is ticking and if she is your friend and you don’t want to hurt her, you need to let her move on to someone else or she will resent you for wasting her time.
You just have to decide what you want.
And interestingly enough, they all looked pretty young for their age too.
That would help explain it. Even if they’re relatively wall-resistant (as with Asians, for example), women will finally smack into the wall hard at menopause.
The 26 y.o. is essentially lost. IMO, with a 24 year age difference the only way you could have kept her for a girlfriend is if you are a very wealthy man and she wanted children and a family and wanted luxury. She also would have been the kind of woman that likes older men. Outside of that the best you could have achieved would have been a short term affair of MAX 6 months but more realistically 2-3 months. Thats if you went the Mono route. If you went the Poly route like what the PUA Blackdragon advocates or what YaReally practices, then you could have put her in a Mltr type arrangement and seen if she was up for that. Those can last a year or two depending on the girl and the tightness of your frame. Coming from where you are coming from, I don’t think you could have done that. So you basically fucked this up. But give yourself credit for having sex with her in the 1st place. Most 50 year olds couldn’t even come close to sexing up a 26 year old. Your post sex game needs work.
Regarding the 42 y.o. She’s a piece of work. I have known a few women like this. She was a babe and she never matured. ANY woman who consistently dates men younger than her (especially more than 5 years difference) is psychologically dysfunctional. She went wrong and is basically a teenager in the body of a mature woman. For a serious relationship, you would have to have your head up your ass to even want that with this chick. This is not a healthy woman. But I’m sure it would be great to fuck her.
For that, I’m not liking ANYTHING you did so far as per your field report. I don’t like you spending any time discussing your 9 or her beta. When you do this for awhile you learn that once you are outside the realm of the One Night Stand, Game is about the art of casual dating. And to get good at that you need to have a process; i.e. a methodology. Each date should be choreographed to a high degree of precision. If you are not having sex with her then you need to be setting up a date where sex with her is your ultimate end. Your date sounds as if you were her gay best friend. I have heard many men describe such dates and they rarely if ever lead to sex.
IMO, you should think of a 2 date process with her. 1st date is a setup date where you prime her sexually by creating a bubble of intimacy. I start off with sensuous discussions of food and travel. Then I move to rich discussions of her favorite romantic literature or movies. Then I bring in either a discussion of “50 Shades of Grey” or my own favorite romantic novels. Then I get into discussions of the great love scenes in literary history and what makes them great. This *always* leads to discussions of sex. I don’t just get graphic, I get into the depths of psycho-sexuality and I get graphic (but with class). Then I pull back and accuse her of trying to seduce me. I tell them I don’t believe in kissing on the first date (adapt this to your own situation). Then I venue change or even walk her to her car. I get close to her and invade her space and tell her that I am considering kissing her, pause, but I won’t. “It sets a bad precedent and might start you sexually objectifying me. If you did that, you might scare me away. I’m delicate.” Devilish look in your eye. I then open her car door and say “we’ll talk”. Walk away.
With a woman over 33, IMO, you need a three or four date template as opposed to a one or two date template with younger girls. 2nd date is an afternoon date at an art gallery or some such that ends in lunch. Heavy make out there. 3rd date is the dinner date at either her or your place, ideally yours. You cook and involve her in the cooking. You drink wine, you tease, you kiss, you push, you pull and then you fuck her.
I’m pretty good with 33+ women and that’s my method. I don’t talk about my past sex life in any significant way. More mystery less history. I like to give her as little as possible. That takes time, experience and skill. But it pays off. IMO, I think you have set the wrong frame with the 42 yo. Your date IMO was no where near as successful as you think it was. A guy that was good with woman would have fucked her already. And understand, with this dysfunctional girl you are competing with men who are 20 years younger than you. She’s that fucked up.
But if you keep at it you will be better tomorrow then you are today. Good luck to sir.
all well and good fun as long as you understand in your bones that the kind of unconditional love you are looking for (and your florid prose point to) is wholly unattainable. forever.
what you put on a pedestal here is merely a person.
About hb9s and higher…
they are like the wind
Her presence is just another moment in her transit. She is on her way out as soon as she arrives. Many men, often at the same time, will enjoy her. Eventually she disappears into nothing.
I love your enthusiasm about working hard for a man. That attitude will almost make sure I don’t flake on ya.
Do chicks know what the word “flake” means?
Honest question.
That might just be manosphere vocabulary.
Of course they do. Flaking is their M.O., especially if they feel things will be “awkwarrrrdddd”. I’ve had chicks tell him how they’d purposely “flake” on a dude because he seemed “desperate” or “creepy”, and they’d just text a tried-n-true fuck buddy who could lay the pipe properly.
Good God, I read field reports like that, and all I can think is:
DEATH. OF. CIVILIZATION.
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: Well when you’re working for it make sure you use an up and down motion.
Yes. Always keep it sexual.
… to those who work for it.
“Working for it means you’ll make some awkward faces and goofy sounds… you’re lucky I’m only moderately judgmental.”
Wait. Can I try?
Her: greater things come to those who work for it
me: greatest things come to those who work for me.
Something similar just happened with me where a girl broke rapport when I asked where she works.
http://i.imgur.com/t1rBJlG.jpg
“bring da asstroglide”
Solid play!
> “a girl broke rapport”
What do you mean by “breaking rapport” in this context?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rapport
“Proper teasing is something most men don’t do, which is why it’s so arousing to women.”
That’s for sure. But I don’t think most women know how to do it either. They’re incapable of teasing/bantering without snark.
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You know… I was starting to worry you’d left me for Kate.
LOL He seems pretty devoted to you 🙂
“That’s for sure. But I don’t think most women know how to do it either. They’re incapable of teasing/bantering without snark.”
You’re right.
But I honestly don’t know why so many women choose to maintain that kind of snarky antagonistic persona or how they even do it. I lost interest in the art of sarcasm and snark clear back in middle school.
Being constantly sarcastic and insulting is not something I enjoy at all. It doesn’t feel good to make jokes or jabs at someone else’s expense and I honestly find it pretty exhausting and unsatisfying to behave that way. I just don’t get it.
It’s a shame you wasted your best years on a drunk.
@Zombie Shan
Yeah, it is a shame, isn’t it?
I’ll be alright though. I’m sure I’ve got at least another 40 or 50 years to find a man. That’s plenty of time 🙂
He’ll probably have to be an elderly man with an affinity for women who have hit the wall but I’m sure I’ll find someone.
I have no other choice. Spinsterhood is definitely not for me. I hate cats.
@ Zombie Shane
“It’s a shame you wasted your best years on a drunk.”
Nice neg
Did he give you tingles justagirl?
@ the illiterato
Are you a girl or a guy? You talk like a man but said something about an ex husband in another post.
But I don’t think most women know how to do it either. They’re incapable of teasing/bantering without snark.
Women do tease and snark, often unconsciously and through body language such as twirling hair and laughing at jokes even before they hit puberty.
best amy comment ever.
good job baby!
Snarky bitches are prone to fantasize about rape more than non snarky bitches.
“That’s for sure. But I don’t think most women know how to do it either. They’re incapable of teasing/bantering without snark.”
..to men they’re attracted to
These chicks are my bread & butter. They’re the easiest to get attraction from if you’re sharp/witty because they aren’t used to getting one-upped.
Honky Dong: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Honky Dong: Try not to break a sweat then.
Not a big fan of this one. For her to jump on the cocky bait at the end there, she’d have to see you as super high-value and if you were that high-value you wouldn’t be getting that shit-test in the first place.
I predict she would force you back into a chasing from by simply not replying, so the end result is either you have to text her in a few days to get any kind of conversation going again and ruin your “I’m the prize” frame, or you refuse to txt her and she refuses to txt you because she has other options and you just never get the lay because it’s a stalemate. So in terms of strategy, it comes with a big risk of painting yourself into a corner.
I would use something like this:
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.
And use it as a springboard into showing intent. But I tend to use a “go ahead and try to reject me, it’s cute…it won’t work, but it’s cute that you think we aren’t going to have sex. Silly girl” unapolgetically forward frame VS a “force her to chase me” frame. Plus it says that I consider the game fun, not work/frustration.
This txt isn’t going to make her go “omg come over and let me suck your dick”, but the end result is that I can txt her whenever I want after this without losing value if she doesn’t reply, she might reply with a simple “lol” which is a green light to me to keep going, or she might like that I wasn’t phased and send something like “that’s true” and I can go into something like “now if the sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?” and start qualifying her.
Actually I would probably send that after a few min regardless of whether she replies or not lol so it would look like:
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.
(5 min later)
Me: Now if sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?
If she’s giving you shit like she did up above she probably wouldn’t actually qualify herself by saying like “no, I’m amazing” (tho that would tell me it’s on if she did that), but she’d probably agree & amplify with “yup I am” which I would agree & amplify with “that’s what it said on the wall in the men’s room.” etc. etc. either way now we’re talking about sex so it’s all heading toward my goal.
But hey, this is all just mental masturbation ain’t it lol It’s Friday night, go out and grab a # and try some actual txt game. 😀
> “These chicks are my bread & butter.”
Well thank the Good Lord that you’re deflowering the “Smart Asses”.
And not the nice girls from the good families.
Although maybe I shouldn’t be giving you any ideas.
“And not the nice girls from the good families.”
M/W complex.
M/W complex
No, unless you think there is no difference between a girl who will make a good long term prospect and one who is good for pump & dump only.
Lol Zombie……..
sometimes I feel like you are very inexperienced.
“M/W complex” = ???
Thanks.
Madonna/Whore Complex. A term for a blue pill male mentality that separates women into pure angels and dirty sluts. This term has been coopted by women’s studies theory to help rationalize liberating the female id.
Also, simple-minded red pill males use the term, as an anti-feminist overcorrection, as a blinder against the fact that women do have the potential for virtue on spite their innate nature.
dun a dun dun dun, another red pill gets spitup!
the idea that a master player could turn one of your “good” girls bad is simply your fundemental inability to grasp that yes, your mother and sisters are in fact…..whores for the right man. and there are few “right” men. no such thing as a “good”girl homie.
How does a guy who swallowed the red pill but still needs time to digest it sound like? He sounds like Tilikum. Everything is “wow!” to a guy like that… not too different than a bright teenager who discovers Ayn Rand. Fact is. women are neither madonnas nor whores. They are human females.
I tried something similar like this last night. Don’t think it went down well.
Her: saying how much she sucks at cooking, sports etc
Me: Fuck. Haha. Next you’ll be telling me you are a starfish too.
Her: Cool beans haha
At this stage I figured she wasn’t too impressed and was trying to shit test me so I just played it off with
Tell me something you are good at or enjoy then!
No reply, it was late so she possibly called it. Or I fucked up my chance.
Thoughts?
Edit; I’m so fucking tired and fucked up that whole text thing.
This is how it went…
Her: saying how much she sucks at cooking, sports etc
Me: Fuck. Haha. Next you’ll be telling me you are a starfish too.
Her: Yuck settle down no need for that conversation friend
(Trying to friendzone me? Fuck that)
Me: Lol. Relax. You aren’t my type
Her: Cool beans haha
Me:Tell me something you are good at or enjoy then!
1) Your text game sucked – waayyy too sickeningly supplicating and needlessly obtuse.
2) Be thankful that it sucked because I am not sure why any man in his right mind would want to date that smart-assed bitch.
Can’t cook?
That’s a total disqualifier right there.
And un-athletic?
Sex with a master PUA is a fucking Olympic level workout.
Its painful to read you texts. YaReally is right when he says there is very little good game being practiced in the world. My suggestion is to actually tone down the game stuff and be more normal. That doesn’t mean supplicating beta male wuss.
You went sexual without establishing any base level of attraction first. Juggler ( Wayne Elise) had a good way of teaching seduction. He used to teach that you should progress through three general emotional stages en route to sex: Platonic / neutral —> Personal —> sexual.
She’s telling you she can’t cook. Run with that. Tease her about it. Tell her how your dream woman can cook the best Cajun seafood dishes and bake awesome soufflés. How your dream woman is a younger version of Rachel Ray. Get into details about food. Tell her how you think cooking is the most sensuous of activities. Make it sound almost sexual; almost. Then transition into a story about food; a Personal story. Have it be between you and your ex. Have it involve Oysters and red wine and sex on the kitchen counter. Did I just say sex on the kitchen counter? Holly shit, well look at that, now we’re sexual. THEN you could say something like the starfish comment, but you probably wouldn’t have to.
Now I realize this is text. You’ll have to adapt it. Also, with text, it raises the question as to where you met this girl? What was the set up? Night game, day game, etc? And how good of an interaction was it? It sounds like your initial interaction sucked. I don’t get the sense of a good 1st impression. It would take high competence at text game to bring this around.
But the point is that beware all the “hard push” game that CH often advocates. He can make it work because he’s calibrated. IMO, newbies or younger reforming betas should not go hard push; i.e. negs and a-hole game. Why? Because you are not calibrated. You can’t pull it off. Stay closer to your core personality and focus on removing anti-game. That IMO is CH’s best suggestion. You don’t have to be a PUA to have sex with pretty girls. Really, someone should specialize in teaching game for non-PUAs. Call it “game for normal men”. Wayne Elise is the closest to that I have seen. So much of what I read on PUA sites is over gaming.
She replied, saying sorry she fell asleep. It’s early as here. Good sign?
How can I improve Zombie?
> “Me: Fuck. Haha. Next you’ll be telling me you are a starfish too.”
Unless “starfish” is some teenage slang with which I am unfamiliar, then it’s way too obtuse – even if she were a Marine Biology major, it would be too flaccid.
> “Her: Yuck settle down no need for that conversation friend”
She apparently took “starfish” to mean a reference to fellatio?
So at this point, you’re completely dead in the water.
You’re lucky she even answered you one more time.
> “Me: Lol. Relax. You aren’t my type”
Okay, classic Chateau Heartiste line gets you one more chance.
> “Her: Cool beans haha”
Okay, is this more bizarre teenager talk which I don’t understand?
“Me:Tell me something you are good at or enjoy then!”
Way too supplicating.
Starfish is reference to a girl who just lays there like a starfish when you are pumping her.
This girl I went to school with, hadn’t spoken to her in three years then just hit her up cause I thought I saw her at a wine festival and was going to approach her. Told her I didn’t realise it was her then we were talking.
I can see what you mean about supplicating, thought the “tell me…” Would be better than asking “what, why when how” sort of questions.
I’ve just come out of a LTR so yes I’m rusty as fuck, but have been doing surprisingly well outside text game. Bang closes etc.
Appreciate the write up, makes me realise where I’m fucking up and how to improve.
Update:
She messaged me 9am this morning, replied 5 mins ago (3:50pm) and she instantly replied.
Dealing with young girls (20 & under) has it’s benefits. You seem to be able to get away with a lot more shitty moves. I’m only 20 for reference.
Continued, COOL BEANS – more teenager slang? I’d get back to the “stoopid bitch who can’t cook” line of thought and negging her hard on that.
SHE: “blah blah blah… can’t cook… blah blah blah… Cool Beans…”
YOU: “Cool Beans? WTF? Dat sound like my mama’s dog when it eats its own poopie. Microwave got an ‘On’ button, genius girl. ‘Off’ button, too, when da kitchen start filling up wit smoke.”
Keep up with a general theme of, “If you can’t cook and if you aren’t athletic [implying not athletic in bed] then why the fuck would any man in his right mind want to date you?
What are exactly are you bringing to the table? [Nice double entendre there.]
And for the dirty talk – What exactly are you bringing to bed with you?
Hopefully not a strap on. Yikes.
Actually, when she went on and on and on about how she couldn’t cook and she wasn’t athletic and she sucked at everything, my initial thought for a reply was: “Okay, fess up baby, you’re really a dyke. Right?”
Continued, MORE GENERALLY – Fake it til you make it. Ratchet up the masculinity, in a firm but gentle way. Guide the conversation in the direction you want it to head, as follows.
Get sex on the table, very early on, in a straightforward wholesome natural “God made us so that we could make babies” kinduva way.
“And God gave us sex so that we could ENJOY making babies.”
Nothing vulgar, nothing obscene, just straightforward “I am a man, you are a woman, and me sliding me erection into your hot wet pussy and you experiencing the ensuing four or five or six orgasms is precisely what God intended for us to be doing with our sexual plumbing.”
Continued – ESTABLISH ALPHA FRAME:
Betas ask questions.
Alphas issue orders.
BETA: “Would you like to join me at the wine tasting on Saturday afternoon?”
ALPHA: “I’ll be sauntering through the wine tasting on Saturday afternoon after 2PM. Meet me there.”
And be sure that you are hitting on a hot chick when she finally finds you in the crowd at the wine tasting.
It will get her hamster INSANE with envy.
Continued, FINAL THOUGHTS:
And once you have established Alpha frame, DO NOT HESITATE OR WAIVER OR HAVE ANY SECOND THOUGHTS.
The very moment that you have a failure of will, and lapse back into a Beta line of conversation, she will realize that you were faking Alpha.
Full speed ahead. No self doubts.
Verbalized self doubt is fatal.
Which is not to say that you should be an arrogant self-righteous prick around her.
But it is much better to retreat into Cave Man Troglodyte “Me Ugh, You Jane” Game than to try to maintain a “Look at what a High IQ Genius I am My Mother is so Proud of Me” frame and end up getting flustered and panicky and self-negging.
Better to say NOTHING AT ALL than to say anything even remotely lacking in confidence.
Self doubt is the iceberg.
Opening your mouth and displaying self doubt will send the Titanic straight to the bottom of the Atlantic.
Lost in the LIFO stack – how to turn “I’m not athletic” into bedroom talk.
Hopefully the LIFO stack will pop it back out in an hour or so..
wow from now on I’m going to learn all my game from Zombie Shane.
Jack nailed it. I have said time and time again, step one is removing anti-game. Zombie’s type of suggestions are not going to help because you can’t help a guy in the “give me the magic words” stage. Needs to get out of the try-hard anti-game stage.
The other point is solid too. So many people trying to be “James Bond” one-liner smirk game. If that’s you, fine go for it. But I’m betting a bucket of beta balls that 99% of the guys here can’t pull that off. Like a Corona commercial, find your own game, and adapt the principles from CH. So guys are funny, some don’t talk too much, etc. Adapt the basic ideas into your own personality, and stop with the radical change to your personality. That will separate you from 99% of the choads out there. Small amount of work for big payoffs.
Ya, you lost an ‘l’ off your handle, bro…
o/t – this chap seemed pretty alpha, if the company he kept is any guide
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10788651/Mark-Shands-lover-glowed-when-she-spoke-of-him-says-friend.html
From the obit : “while travelling in India in 1988, Shand come across an emaciated captive female elephant being used for begging purposes by her owners.He bought the animal, named her Tara and rode her 750 miles from Konarak on the Bay of Bengal to the Sonepur Mela, the ancient elephant trading fair at Patna on the Ganges.”
According to this blurb
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5588899/Camilla-brothers-secret-lover-Ruth-Powys-reveals-her-anguish-Mark-Shand-death.html
Mr Shand was 62 and she was 36. Props to the gentleman indeed!
However, what an awful way to go
Smartass hos love verbal game better than dumbass hos.
To bang a dumbass ho, on average, you only need to look masculine and run caveman on her. Smartass hos require an emotional journey through words, which is easy with practice but they get more annoying to me as time goes on.
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: So how many sandwiches will to make for me?
Baracc Obaamoe is a Mohamedan Rent-Boy.
I regularly get drunk with a guy who is a major hero-of-music in the nation of Israel.. He is WAY more of a red-neck than me. Which is not easy…
Good people.
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
How would you guys respond to this?
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Artsy:
Ans. “Money won is twice as sweet as money earned.”
Direct:
Ans. “Fine. If you want to do the work, I’ll let you be on top then.”
Oblique:
Ans: “You should have stopped after the third word.”
Candid:
Ans. “Look, you’re going to come around eventually, so what’s the point of waiting?” (this has worked a surprising number of times, but maybe that’s b/c I’m from the country….)
When Smart Ass Babe pulls this shit, she’s simultaneously saying: “I’m a special snowflake, you have to EARN it”, and she’s also putting up some “Anti-Slut Defense” flak. Own the frame. Do NOT let a girl turn you into a pussy beggar. YOU are the man, not her. Half the people in the room (whatever room you’re in) have vaginas; why are you running some Olympic obstacle course to get into hers?
She craves your attention. Do not cheapen the currency. I had a girl tell me once that she would have “flings” with guys with whom there was no relationship potential (i.e. bang some loser b/c she was horny), but if a guy had potential, he’d have to earn it. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Me: “You realized that’s retarded, right?”
Her: “?”
Me: “Why the fuck would I want to be the guy pushing the boulder up the hill, on the sex-deprivation diet, when out of the corner of my eye I see a guy coming out on his back deck with a little umbrella drink, wearing an aloha shirt, chilling in a hammock and getting free visits from the sex fairy on zero effort? Because I’d rather be the hammock guy. Perhaps you could take me off the boulder list, and put me on the hammock list?”
Her: “But what if the guy *wants* to be on the boulder list?”
Me: “That’s not rational.”
Her: “But what if the guy *wants* to be on the boulder list?”
Me: “I’m telling you I don’t. You, me, hammock, now.”
I hit it that night. 😉
À bientôt,
Mistral
[…] By CH […]
Me: exactly, I wait for you to work for it, then… (clam imitation follows)
“Proper teasing is something most men don’t do, which is why it’s so arousing to women.”
Most men also don’t bow down to a girl and start kissing her feet. It’s not “so arousing” because most men don’t do it.
[CH: bowing down and kissing feet is not arousing to women. and, unlike teasing, it’s not much fun either.]
Just nit picking, I know.
[no you’re just trolling. or being stupid.]
“Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
How would you guys respond to this?”
Yeah that’s great advice. You should give it to the Chinese girl who made your shoes.
[you have to bustamove to get a woman. one way or the other.]
but when a chick bows down and sucks your toes watch the fuck out
chillin on comp my chick starts sucking my toes had me screaming
> “Most men also don’t bow down to a girl and start kissing her feet. It’s not “so arousing” because most men don’t do it.”
On the other hand, making just about ANY remark about what’s painted on her toenails is pure pussy for a cold opener.
Just gotta speak it in that slow-and-steady devil-may-care Honey Badger voice and your ass just sneaked right in the door.
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: Like working this cock in your mouth? Come here bitch!
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s particularly great when you’re making the full dollar and not 70 cents. (if you don’t care for banging her and just want to piss off a feminist)
A real answer would be something along the lines that she has to work for my attention then or I’m going to talk to some other girl or I’d make it sexual, depending on the stage of the date.
For smart-ass girls I game if they say something like that I usually reach behind and pull their hair or pony tail.
This does 2 things: 1) it suddenly flips the script 2) sexualizes the interaction by incepting the idea of rough but not painful.
It’s interesting because they enjoy it so much.
“Smart-ass” girl is just one who shit-tests more. If it gets too annoying then it’s no longer fun.
My new ping text is: “Hey crazy girl…ready?”
If they don’t respond…it’s done. If they do, you can then lead that interaction.
“Hey xxx…ready?”
Her: for what
You: buy me drinks… OR some ridiculous response.
For one girl who I was gaming and set up drinks with next week and who is clearly a “smart-ass” I sent her a text:
Me: Hey…am in xxx having awesome seafood.
Her: How is it?
Me: I sent photo of close up of a clam on my plate looking exactly like shaved pussy.
She didn’t reply…classic.
Another woman who gains a point or two after losing weight: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/for-the-first-time-in-my-24-years-of-life-i-am-happy/#axzz2zyNsgWdJ
I like it when fat people lose weight and get in better shape. I wish stupid people could get smarter too though.
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
””””””””””””””””’
I like the chick already
she understands how to beat life
is this a fight club style test?
and imagine two people working towards those greater things together as a team against the world two becoming one great and awesome unstoppable force of the universe and now imagine you could be part of that if you pass my tests he he he
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: Indeed, and the greatest things, to those who know when …
Field Report:
Was at the club last night and approached a 6.5/10 Asian chick. She was with her friend and her friend’s boyfriend dancing alone. I was with my friends dancing next to their group and my friends were telling me to go for it. I’m not going to lie, it was my first approach of the day so I was slightly nervous. I move in for the dance and we start dancing with each other.
She tells me, “I can’t be a third wheel with my friend blah blah” the music was loud so it was hard to hear.
We danced some more, held hands, and talked a bit. Her friend and her friend’s boyfriend were doing some serious grinding.
I tell her, “Yo, we gotta match up with your friend over there.”
Her: “But they are boyfriend and girlfriend!”
Me: “Yeah? That’s okay lets have some fun.”
She bends over and starts grinding on me hard. I tap her friend.
“Whats up? What you guys got on that?”
Girls start laughing and we start doing a dancing competition.
A bit later another one of her friends came in the middle of us and cockblocked and said, “bye!” I said, “See you later!” My girl I was dancing with was still standing around my perimeter while I turned around while still dancing with my group of friends (mixed with guys and girls). I grabbed her by the hand again and we continued dancing with her friend and her boyfriend.
This girl was worthwhile and interested so I told myself fuck it why not. I’ll buy her a drink. So I tell her, “let me get you a drink. Don’t worry I’ll bring you back to your friends.” We go grab a drink, talk, come back do some more heavy grinding and have a good time.
About 20 minutes later her friend and her boyfriend were about to leave (that was her ride) and she tells me she has to go. She wanted my number.
Me: Where you guys heading to?
Her: I have to head back XXX they’re going home now.
Me: I live in XXX too I’ll take you back.
She thinks a bit and says, “okay” and tells her friend. Her friend gives me the stink stare with the impression of you better get her home. I do a pinky promise with her.
So here I am with just me and this girl. I owed one of my friends a drink so I had to get him one. I told her “I owe my friend a drink.I gotta buy him one.” So I take her hand and grab my friend a drink and introduce them for a little blah blah.
After a short period of dancing I noticed her interest was slowly declining, She spots one of her other friends shes with and springs towards him. She looks back at me and I assumed that was her way of trying to get away. I didn’t bother to chase at this point and continued my night with some other girls, but nowhere near what I did with her.
So my question is WTF went wrong here? I assume I didn’t escalate quick enough where I had to be making out with her or some shit and also building a deeper connection with her.
Thoughts and comments are much appreciated.
“So I take her hand and grab my friend a drink and introduce them for a little blah blah.”
waited too long and the ASD got ya.
That shit was rock solid till the end lol. You just made 2 common tactical errors:
1) you went backwards in the sarge rather than forwards
2) you had Attraction but not Comfort. Attraction is fun but it in general it doesn’t get you laid, COMFORT is what gets you laid. The Attraction stage and everything you do in it is basically for the purpose of getting to isolation where you can enter Comfort and start the actual seduction.
“So here I am with just me and this girl. I owed one of my friends a drink so I had to get him one. I told her “I owe my friend a drink.I gotta buy him one.” So I take her hand and grab my friend a drink and introduce them for a little blah blah.
After a short period of dancing I noticed her interest was slowly declining”
You had full isolation with her and she was into you enough to ditch her friends. Your Attraction stage was done and you now had the window to enter Comfort. All you had to do from here is take her to a dark quieter corner somewhere away from everyone either of you know and build massive Comfort, then pull.
Or to avoid risking interruptions by your or her friends, you could say “I’m hungry, let’s get food” and pull her out up the street to some quiet food place where you can get a booth in a corner and build Comfort while you eat and then pull her home.
Or you could go “I’m hungry, let’s get food” and pull her out of the bar and just go for a long walk and build Comfort then to “you know what I have leftover pizza at my place lets just eat that” and lead her home and bang.
Instead, what you did was you snapped her out of the seduction by continuing to try to DHV and build Attraction by social proofing yourself introducing her to your friends and trying to play a bit aloof and then you took her back onto the dance floor where it’s full of external stimulus to shake her out of the seduction vibe and go back into Attrsction instead of forward into Comfort.
So in the end ya she’s Attracted and ya she was probably turned on etc but you didn’t know her soul and all her hopes and dreams and how her relationship with her father was, sharing your hopes and dreams, etc lol, the gay stuff that builds a solid Comfort connection with her.
You essentially did the metaphorical equivalent of flipping super bright lights on right after a slow sad romantic movie and then put on an action movie moving the sarge backwards, instead of leaving the lights off and cuddling up and whispering in her and moving forward.
Make sense? This happens all the fuckin time so don’t sweat it. If you see her again you can get her laughing then try for Comfort again and get the lay.
Remember: Attraction doesn’t get you laid. COMFORT gets you laid. And you only need to do enough Attraction to get her isolated to where you can enter Comfort. More Attraction feels great and everyone enjoys it but it doesn’t get you to the bedroom (generally speaking, there are exceptions but they’re rare circumstances you don’t bank on if you want consistency).
Any Qs just ask, a lot of guys run into this prob. It’s the cause of why guys hit the # plateau where they get intermediate in the game and start collecting 10 #s a night but all 10 #s flake because they got the number during Attraction, not Comfort. It’s frustrating until you figure out what’s missing lol
YR – it’s also possible that his friend was such a beta loser doofus that the very sight of that other guy made her vag shrivel up and get cold and dry.
If you’re gonna go hard-sociopath pussy-at-all-costs, then sometimes you gotta be brutally honest with yourself as to whether your friends might actually be total dorks.
On the other hand, you might decide that no pussy is worth dissing an old friend over.
Life as a big boy is filled with difficult decisions like these…
Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: tl;dr
‘Well then you would better get down and work hard and a great thing will come to you’