Trimegistus asks:
I’d like to hear your thoughts on why women seem to be more open to situational bisexuality than men — the old joke about “all women are lesbians after six drinks” comes to mind. What advantage does that offer them, either in the evolutionary or sexual marketplace?
I have a religious/intuitive answer to that, and a scientific/rational answer.
Re/I answer: Women are the more physically fetching sex; soft, curvaceous, neotenous, vulnerable. Therefore their touch is desired by other women as well as men, and the disgust reflex that usually accompanies thoughts of same-sex intimacy in both sexes (gays excluded) is subdued in women. The subconscious imperative to protect her eggs clashes with her yearning for physical pleasure, and in many women this can be conveniently resolved by enjoying the closeness of other women, a treat which bypasses the usual assortment of threats that accompany intimacy with new men (pregnancy, rape, abandonment, violence, or, heaven forbid!, insensitivity).
S/Ra answer: Female bisexuality is an in-group adaptation that firms up (heh) social bonds and increases the likelihood that a woman’s children or future children will be able to enjoy the group’s resources.
I’m sure there are plenty of other explanations, so have at it you beautiful star-nosed moles!
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A reader who shall remain anonymous asked:
I am a 22 year old that experiences success with women in my age bracket/social class (swpl types) partly thanks to your blog which connected the dots for me.
I am presently borderline obsessed with a 30 something tattooed bartender. She’s a prole but relatively intelligent/oozes sex appeal… Basically I must have her.
I can tell she thinks I’m cute but my typical game doesn’t work on her and I don’t think she takes me serious sexually. Also, I only see her when she works, not in social settings.
I understand this type of woman isn’t your cup of tea but I’m obsessed and would love any tips from outsiders.
Not my cup of tea? Minus a few years, I love the uncredentialed but sassy smart drink-slingers with sex appeal. They’re my only weakness.
You have an uphill climb to bed this girl. Women generally don’t like the idea of dating considerably younger men than themselves, and even sexual flings can be off the table if the guy is too much younger, as might be the case with you and your bartender dream girl. If she doesn’t know already, I suggest you lie to her about your age.
Other than taking steps to minimize the age difference, you should game this girl like you would any service worker who was closer to your age. Which means, you have to avoid being seen as her “customer”. That’s the dynamic that will kill your chances to bed her more than anything else. At the same time, you can’t just be some random weekender goofus off the street; you have to become a regular, preferably during the week when she’s got more time to chat.
You square this circle by making yourself more familiar to her but by not buying too much and never overtipping her. Weeknights and weekend afternoons (assuming that’s in her schedule) are going to be your time to shine. On weekend nights, if you go to her bar, be sure to be seen by her in the company of other women. If her bar is a hot spot, this will be easy to do. Just open a nearby set and have some fun. Preselection is king.
I’ll say it again: PRESELECTION IS KING. It doesn’t mean you have to be making out with a hard 10 in front of the bartender. A successfully pinged preselection radar could be as simple as talking to a girl sitting next to you at the bar while Sex Appeal pours beer and watches you out of the corner of her eye.
Next, you really want to get the bartender out of her work zone. The bar is like a force field, or a giant roadblock, effectively rendering you an outsider to her world. You need to extract her from her padded bubble girl bar area. Something to do is befriend a bartender and the staff and join them in the back room after hours for a smoke or airplane shots. It’s much easier to game her then when she’s stripped of her bartender power. Bartending is a huge contextual status boost to men and women, and a girl who has that power will be harder to game. Remember, half of game is creating and projecting a status differential between you and the girl.
Besides the aforementioned after hours option, you should try to get her out on a casual date when you know she will be less harried — drinks at another bar after she’s finished her shift, or afternoon coffee before her shift. The coffee chat before a shift is a good option because she won’t feel the pressure of a “formal” date, since she knows she’s heading to work in a short while anyhow. If my experience is any guide, bartender chicks really hate conventional “expectations” dates. They prefer extremely casual, maximally plausibly deniable, meet ups. Or hook ups, if she’s really into you.
Avoid at all costs hanging around the bar like a needy puppy dog waiting for scraps of attention from your bartender girl. There is nothing more unattractive than for a woman to see you still at the same spot, waiting for her return, after she has gone off to do something useful with her life. If you like your seat and want to stay at the bar, make sure there are other girls in the vicinity with whom you can interact. Otherwise, say a few words to the bartender, and then take off. Meet up with her later in the night.
When you get into long-ish convos with the bartender, don’t talk with her about her job. You’ll only feed her perception of power over you, and that is what is known in the real world as anti-game. You want to minimize the looming presence of the mahogany bar blockade separating you and her as much as possible.
There is a tacit Rule of Bartending (and Stripping): Don’t fraternize with the customers. If you close the deal with her, keep it on the DL. I knew a guy dating a bartender who would be cold as ice to him when he showed up at the bar to say hello. It drove him nuts. I had to explain that she’s doing that to preserve her status within her industry. If he just had some patience and understanding, she would reward him with plenty of ass when they were alone together.
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A reader wants to know what qualifies as the ideal relationship timeline.
I’ve been curious to know what, in your mind, an ideal LTR timeline would look like, i.e., major events, milestones, when the first fight should be, when to instill dread, etc. That would be an interesting post.
Ideal LTR timeline:
First date – sex.
One month mark – sex.
Six month mark – sex.
One year mark – pretend exclusivity sex.
Two year mark – videotaped sex.
Five year mark — bon voyage sex and a trade-in for the experience of first date sex again.
I kid! I kid!
Or do I?
Here’s a more conventional LTR timeline that I would consider ideal, assuming the unending sex and convenient trade-in option above was not available to you:
Third date – first sex.
Fourth date – first sober sex.
Fifth date – first facial (hers, not yours, unless you are a manboob).
Two week mark – first prompt reply to her text.
Three week mark – first “real” date (e.g., a dinner, a movie, a charity event, a show at the local indie club, a walk through a quaint town).
Three week plus one hour mark – first pang of jealousy when you see her talking to the DJ.
One month mark – first home-cooked meal that you make for her at your place.
Two month mark – first intentional public exposure to her friends.
Three month mark – first intentional public exposure to your friends.
Three and a half month mark – first minor fight.
Three and a half months plus one hour mark – first minor make-up sex.
Four month mark – first major date (possibly requiring significant cash outlay). Examples: a play, a sporting event, a beach trip, a bed and breakfast.
Five month mark – first little romantic gift.
Six month mark – first “I love you”. From her, you poindexter!
Six and a half month mark – first “Right back atcha” to her “I love you”.
Seven month mark – first “I love you, too” from you to her. Don’t say it more than once. Scarcity is the glow of clits.
Eight month mark – first tentative talk of exclusivity not requiring a signed affidavit from you.
Nine month mark – first talk of impending anniversaries and nostalgia for that “first time you met”.
Nine and a half month mark – first anal. Explain that it’s time for her to prove her love more deeply.
Ten month mark – first major fight that ends when you walk out the door to sounds of her muffled cries.
Ten months plus one day mark – first mind-blowing make-up sex. Break a chandelier.
Ten and a half month mark – first bigger romantic gift.
Ten and three-quarters month mark – first application of instilled dread. Call late “from the office”; make sure sounds of laughing girls can be overheard in background.
Eleven month mark – first flirting with the waitress in front of her.
Eleven and a half month mark – first major fight that ends with you and her talking it out on the couch. Prepare for hours of boredom.
One year mark – first serious talk about exclusivity. Getting harder to dodge now.
One year and one month mark – first talk about meeting her parents.
One year and two month mark – second talk about meeting her parents.
One year and two months plus one hour mark – first talk about why she hasn’t met your family.
One year and three month mark – first faked orgasm.
One year and four month mark – first meeting with her family.
One year and five month mark – first major fight that neither of you are all that interested to resolve.
One year and six month mark – first “recapture the glory” fancy date followed by public sex in an alley.
One year and seven month mark – first talk of marriage.
One year and seven months plus one hour mark – first thoughts of suicide or expatriation.
One year and eight month mark – first infidelity (ideally yours, not hers).
One year and nine month mark – first caught cheating.
One year and ten month mark – first serious, imploring talk of threesome (two girls, one guy, unless you are a manboob).
Two year mark – first time you let it slip to the hot co-worker that you have a girlfriend.
Two years and one month mark – proposal! to move in together!
Two years and one month plus one hour mark – prank retraction!
Two years and one month plus one hour and five minutes – frantic consolation that retraction was a joke.
Two years and two month mark – first soul-shaking thought that this might be the last vagina you ever plunder.
Two years and three month mark – marriage! WHAAAAAAATTTT?!?!??! Unmarried cohabitation! That’s more like it.
Two and a half years mark – first secretive make-out with her lonely friend who just got dumped by a fighter pilot.
Three year mark – marriage!
Four year mark – marriage?!? still?!?!
Five year mark – first kid.
Six year mark – first interest in living in the suburbs.
Seven year mark – first time you find this blog.
Seven year and one hour mark – first bottomless pit of regret.
Fifteen year mark – first gray pube. On her. You die a little inside.
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A reader with 99.9% certainty of troll origins wonders:
i have a big penis. women love it when i pull it out and dangle it in their faces, but it hurts [them] when we have sex. what do i need to do to make it less painful? what should i tell women who are afraid of damage?
I once hit the cervix of a petite asian woman. She squealed from a sudden jolt of pain, and I felt a little bad, although, I felt more pride than guilt. Luckily, there was no damage, and we joked about it afterwards. I would recommend a penis reduction, sir. Just lop off a few inches, like taking the crown off a giant sequoia. You’ll lose all sensation but isn’t that worth the peace of mind you’ll have knowing you are empowering women’s cervixes and sticking it, however feebly, to the patriarchy?
on bi flexible women:
1. women like to be sex objects & can be manipulated
2. women aren’t as picky about the looks of their partner as men think
goes to show all most guys need is better game than a bulldyke
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GBFM MAxim # 22: a threesome with two dudes and one chick = one too many cockas 2 think about zlzlzlollzoz
there some be one cocka and two gina holes
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one, two, three buttholes
one, two theree moutholes
one moustache
one, two, gina holes
one cockas
den you get t da green light
but if you shoulds count
one, two, three buttholoesz
one two three mothholes,
one two moustaches
one, two cockas
one gina hole
den it is best to call it a nigt and go home an d read a new trnaslation of homer’s iliadz zlzoozozzlzo
now i know dat da pill has transofmrmed normal healthy fertile gina holes into buttholez, so dat whne you are with 2 ameeiranz womenz in a trheesome, the count goes like this
one tow three foru five buttholziziolzoz lzozol
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Third date – first sex.
Fourth date – first sober sex.
Fifth date – first facial (hers, not yours, unless you are a manboob).
Two week mark – first prompt reply to her text.
Three week mark – first “real” date (e.g., a dinner, a movie, a charity event, a show at the local indie club, a walk through a quaint town).
Granted, I can be just a little gullible sometimes – but is this supposed to be serious?
[Heartiste: Yes. Dates before sex should be very casual and cost little money. A walk through the park, tea, coffee, or drinks at the local pub are all examples of casual dates that don’t cost much more than a few dollars.]
You’ve already fornicated umpteen times before you have your first “real” date?
I must be too nice to my womynz…
[Seriously – are you being serious? I can’t tell.]
Okay, dude, maybe I should change my handle from “Zombie Shane” to something more like “Last of the Romantics”.
I dunno – maybe things are still a little different out here in flyover country – but the Inside-the-Beltway hookup scene that you’re describing sounds just shockingly nihilistic.
Or maybe it’s because I’m starting to move out of my PUA years, and into my natalist years, but I actually enjoy some conversation [not to mention a nice bottle of wine] before I ballz my beeyotchez.
Operative word here is “you enjoy” doing it. If you are not doing it in hopes of getting laid then no problem. The problem is when you try to “impress” so she thinks you are a “solid guy”. Trust me as a girl, if you give us tingles after the first contact, we do not CARE if you take us to some serious fancy french chateau bottle serving restaurant or some pub for beers (we might even lie and say we like drinking beer although as a hard 8 with fellow female friends who are 8s-9s, it is near impossible to find an 8 and up who actually likes drinking beer, I mean two bottles and you can actually see the development of a lower pouch..gross…but I digress). What I am trying to say is we (girls) can tell when a guy is doing something because he enjoys it as opposed to when he is doing something to impress.
The disadvantage of trying to take an attractive girl with a high smv/dmv to some fancy place to impress her is that it signals to the girl that you like her a lot and unless you are 100% this girl is crazy about you prior then you set yourself up for being a manboob as the relationship progresses. She will see herself as having the power in the relationship or worse, someone she can easily take advantage of.
No one is saying take a girl to taco bell (depends on the quality of the girl but taco bell can also be done) if you are dating a solid 8 who has a great personality with a quality background, then I think a pub is good enough. If she agrees it shows she is down to earth and not some stuck up princess (who you shouldn’t want anyway). Just my convoluted $0.02 since I have been the girl in all the scenarios I described above
Taking a girl on a date to the DMV? Now that’s game.
yes
If you can feel a pouch developing after 2 beers, Taco Hell is also out…..
If she wants to go to the DMV, she’ll have to do it by herself, at least until I need to renew my license again.
I’ve tried date suggestions ranging from walks (completely anathema to the vast majority of American females, cross-reference with ‘pouch’ , above) to ice skating, roller skatingh, biking, horseback riding, ‘Celtic’ festivals, various concerts and a string of other things.
Nada.
You will be happy to know that I’ve stopped cold dead taking them to restaurants, after the last one turned out to be a Lesbian (yes!), and not only that, she was also still married – to a woman – in Vermont.
In other words: Coffee or nutt’n’.
I keep trying them, but I can’t stand olives. They taste like gelled orbs of dirt.
Every girl who self describes herself as an 8 is always a 6. Tops.
Also, how likely is an ’8′ to be posting on a ‘game’ blog?
Or any blog, come to think of it……
I’ve never seen a woman speak so highly of herself.
Women are pansexual. All kinds of weird shit arouses them. It’s the nature of estrogen. That gets erased with the male testosterone flood.
Plus, preselection arousal bleeds over.
There it is. PRE-SELECTION (and domination) is the key. The woman is getting turned on by the other woman getting turned on by the guy that she wants; whom she wants because the other woman wants him. . .self-looping/feeding circular mental process.
Perception is reality. There is no there there.
fakeemail is nailing it; polygamy is our natural state. In a wild pack where the alpha male mates with all the women, women hear and see other women fucking him, and are fucking and cumming while other women are within eye and earshot.
Koala females simulate sex with each other in order to attract male koalas.
Maybe…
I have a bartender story.
I went to a shitty film school that was located down the street from one of the hottest, largest universities in America. It was my fledgling PUA days and there was this particular college bar I frequented to hone my craft. I went from a straight AFC wallflower to a respectable PUA during my 2 years going there so needless to say, the bar was like a second home to me. I was there whenever my friends decided not to go out, which was 3-4 nights a week — yes, I went to this bar 3-4 nights a week, alone, and taught myself how to pull without a single wingman.
Anyway, there was this bartender, a solid HB9. Every chode I ran into was obsessed over this girl. We developed an odd relationship where I would tip her $2 for every drink (drinks were either free or $1) and after a few months, she started recognizing me and would make my drink whenever I showed up without having to order. Even when the bar was packed — which was often — she would keep an eye out for me and made my drink as soon as I walked up. We always exchanged drinks and tips without ever saying a word. Needless to say, this was a huge DHV and girls who waited 15 minutes for drinks would be like “who are you????”
This chick also worked the floor as a shot girl a few hours a night so she pretty much watched me go from being a wallflower who couldn’t make eye contacts to a peacocking asshole tonguing random sluts and their friends on the dance floor over the course of 2 years. She would’ve been fucking retarded to NOT know I was a PUA or learning PUA.
About a year in, she started giving me signals but I was too thickheaded to know what they were. Keep in mind that I was going off routines to establish attraction so I was completely clueless when a hot girl was hinting attraction right off the bat. My inner game was so bad and self-esteem was so low that I didn’t take ANY of it as IOIs. She would do shits like bumping/falling into me on the dance floor as she made her rounds and apologized, and tried to start small talks with me. One time, her boyfriend (alpha with a bike) came to see her, they were walking through the crowd and holding hands but as soon as she noticed me she let his hand go. Again, I didn’t give any of it much thought, I was borderline having oneitis with this girl but I always figured she saw me as some fake player who happened to be a good tipper and that was it.
Around the time school ended, I was so satisfied with the plates I was spinning that I stopped going out. My last night in town, I went back to that bar for old times sake, she saw me and immediately lit up. She asked me why I stopped coming and we talked a bit. It was a packed night and she pretty much dropped everything to focus on me. We learned each other’s names for the first time that night and the next morning I drove 2000 miles to LA.
Fast-forward 5 months later, I decided to do some facebook stalking and looked her up. Her status the morning after I left:
“I finally learned your name <3″
Moral of the story: hot chicks love PUAs even when they know that PUA used to be an AFC.
Great story. I think every man who goes from AFC to full-on player will have a handful of stories like this.
Next story on the tree: the girls who you’ve made into “alpha widows.” After a few years of elite mac-daddy status, you will have a few.
Fast-forward 5 months later, I decided to do some facebook stalking and looked her up. Her status the morning after I left:
“I finally learned your name <3″
Moral of the story: hot chicks love PUAs even when they know that PUA used to be an AFC.
That’s it?
That’s the end of the story?
That’s like Tess of the d’Ubervilles.
Or the original Great Expectations [before Dickens gave in to the criticism and changed the ending].
Shit, man, that chick had feelings for you.
And it sounds like you’re getting a little wistful in reminiscing about her.
I guess that ending was kind of poetic and bittersweet. Yes, I still think about her sometimes. We PUAs have hearts after all.
PS – Around the time I looked her up, she won some contest for hottest bartender in the city.
Holy Fucking Shit.
Thomas Hardy is tickling my liver & laughing in a pile of bloody tears right now. However, in a much more painfully slow & reticently apt manner – as per his romantic inclinations.
That is possibly the best comment I have ever read. I just wonder when Proust’s gonna show up.
Marcel’s been here and gone. Adam’s bartender story was nothing so much as a remembrance of things past.
Question related to this story.
When you got good at PUA and you were going out 3-4 nights per weeks:
1) how many new girls were you having sex with per week?
2) how many of them were ONS as opposed to D2s?
I ask because I am a fledgling PUA and I am curious as to what type of learning curve to expect.
Thanks,
When I got good? It’s hard to say. The better I got as a PUA, the less common new girls and ONSs were because I’d be getting texts from 4-5 girls a night to a point where I’d just go out to practice because the girls in my rotation were hotter than the ones at the bar. I’d say it averaged out to about 1 new girl every 2 weeks and 1 ONS every 2-3 months, but I have no doubt they would’ve been more common had I wanted them to be.
Depending on how hard-case a newbie you are, you could invest a ton of time before you even get laid. I spent probably my first year+ of going out regularly just unwiring shitty beliefs and learning to socialize like a normal human being in general.
And down the road you quit caring about notch count and look more at chemistry and quality and fun in general with girls a lower priority, like Tyler explains above. I turn down a shit-load of easy lays now just because I don’t want to waste my time with girls that aren’t a specific type. I’ll still flirt with them for practice but I’m a lot pickier about which girls I choose to actually hook up with or see more than once.
Anti-game types will be like “oh well you had to put in X amount of time and spend X amount of money and the trade off is only X amount of pussy, what a waste” from their armchairs, but the reality is that PUA is a complete overhaul of your life from top to bottom, internal and external, and it’s a slow process to internalize everything. You don’t just read “okay do XYZ and that’ll work” and then do it. You’ll do it a thousand times fucking up or running into unexpected obstacles at different points in XYZ until you learn to handle that stuff and work around it…and the benefits extend beyond the pussy notch count. I can go into a bar as an unknown and walk out with most of the bar knowing me by name, new friends and social circles, invites to parties/events, bartenders bouncers and managers giving me VIP status and remembering me by name, some random makeouts and #s, etc. all stone cold sober. Even if I don’t take a girl home that night, that’s something I could never have done as an AFC and something most guys couldn’t do…the average guys’ night out is standing in a circle with his buddies with beers up at their chest feeling intimidated and overwhelmed by the club environment, getting hammered as they comment on how hot each girl that passes by is, until they’re drunk enough that they finally overcome the social pressure they’re feeling and drunkenly stumble around hoping to find an equally hammered average to ugly girl they can buy drinks for and cross their fingers they get a make out or better.
You can’t learn this without going out and putting in the time. You need pain to transform:
Good post. As YaReally has been saying before, if you don’t actually go out, no one can explain it in terms you can understand. You really do need to see it and interact social yourself before it sinks in. Blockheads, as usual, will continue to resist logic.
This was a good read. Thanks for sharing bother glad to hear you crossed the AFC –> PUA rubicon.
Interesting that you seem to have contradicted CH’s “game” assertion that you shouldnt tip the girl well. Seems you got her attention by the tips u gave her.
I think the underlying concept here is do what makes you stand out. I’d imagine a hot bartender in an average bar would be showered with tips, so you being stingy with your money would make you stand out. A hot bartender at a bar frequented by broke college students, however, would see way less tips — so a guy who tips her $2 a drink would stand out more.
Adam’s $2 tips are cheap enough that in this case, it worked.
Her: I love you
You: You’re so beautiful
Regarding Tattoo bar girl: Here are your big obstacles. The first two, everyone here can tell you about. The third one I might be able to shine some specific light on.
1.) “I must have her.” Your outcome independence is in trouble.
2.) The age difference – not impossible, but working against you.
3.) Your commitment level.
Not your relationship commitment level, your lifestyle commitment level. I was a music professional / musician and I was a total frat guy. I’m a zero-ink guy. Aside from non-standard hair and retro t-shirts, I never really looked too hardcore. Rampant ink is a trend I think has seriously jumped the shark, but for those women that are all-in on the tattoos themselves, they tend to want other people that are all-in as well. (Obviously, I’m making an assumption based on your swpl pull that your appearance is in line with that. If I’m wrong adjust accordingly.) Though I never looked the part, I had passable success with that crowd because I was “committed” via my music credibility.
Now I’m not saying go get sleeved or start playing guitar because you want to bang a bartender for heaven’s sake, but this is one of your obstacles. I suggest:
1.) I would abort the idea of approaching her at the bar where she works. Just a guess, but I’m betting she loves swpl money & tips but has zero interest in getting on the tip of an swpl. Frankly, I’d barely acknowledge her. Don’t be rude, but don’t get labeled an swpl bar type guy in her mind. You must find out where she hangs out. If you can’t figure out where a tatted up rock girl hangs out in your town, just give up because you’ll never be able to sell #2.)
2.) You must have something that establishes lifestyle commitment in her eyes. For me, it was music. I may not have been all-in in my appearance, but one conversation with me regarding music and they knew I wasn’t an interloper.
More assumptions: Most of that ilk loves music. Rock music. They also tend to like local music. NOT cover bands. They like dive bars. Just go to those places on the big nights. Be there. Don’t go looking and approach her the first time you notice her at such a place. Just be there because you belong there. Of course you’d be there. Why wouldn’t you be? You love local alt rock bands. Let her notice you there.
I would consider this girl a long-term side project for you while you work other women in established ways. This is a low-percentage play, but I think step #2 the biggest thing you’re going to need. You’re ahead of the game if you already have some ink or really do love that kind of scene. Good luck.
> Two month mark – first intentional public exposure to her friends.
(Semi) public sex is one thing but doing it in front of her friends is some truly überalpha move.
With the current girl, I got (her first) anal in 7 months without an “I love you.” At nine months those words have still never been uttered. We’ve also never had a fight, ever. Am I doing something wrong?
7 months for anal? Beta! Otherwise, solid work Doctor. Sardinis for everyone!
… (her first) anal… Lulz. One of the many things wimminz love about anal–but will never admit–is that they can always say they’re a virgin “back there”, and thus Game the guy that he is her “first”… with all the caution flags that follow. Unless the first numeral in her age is still ’1′, I just can’t believe it… but I always pretend to.
In the porn industry they’ve got the term “gay for pay”. In real life you’ve got “bi for her guy”. The fact that the letter writer even used the term “lesbian” shows he is somewhat of a rube when it comes to this. I don’t think you would want anything to do with a real lesbian, who would more often than not look like a young Kathy Bates. One of the big perks of lesbianism for the women who engage in it is letting yourself go- i.e. no longer worrying about the standards of beauty that straight men AND women would normally hold you to. “Bisexual” is closer to the mark, but truly bisexual women tend to be more freakish in their tastes, and often also more mannish in their mannerisms.
What you want is a “bi-curious” girl- meaning a completely normal, feminine girl who will do those sorts of things only because she knows you like them. She will probably be turned on just by seeing how turned on you get, but it is still up to you to bend her to your desire through the dominance of your personality. In short, you still need to game her; there’s no free lunch.
As to why women are more open to this- socially and romantically it does not compromise their femininity the way homosexuality totally pollutes a man’s masculinity. Even watching male homosexual acts (say, if you were stuck with a gay roommate and had to watch him bring home dates, or had to pass by his beefcake posters everyday) pollutes a man’s masculinity. That is the thing people did not understand about the Tyler Clemente case (gay college student who killed himself after being taped on camera by annoyed roommate). By throwing his homosexuality in the roomie’s face like that, he was slowly sapping the roomie’s manhood.
So in short because it does no real harm to a woman’s romantic prospects or social standing, and because women are more socially conformist, they will often go along with this if the situation is right. Most frequent roadblock is feelings of jealousy or inadequacy to the other woman.
There are elements of truth to what you say, but if so, then why is the question…
Actually Abe, I would say that in this time arc, being bi raises the woman’s social standing. Think Brittany/Madonna, etc.
i have a big penis… but it hurts [them] when we have sex. what do i need to do to make it less painful? what should i tell women who are afraid of damage?
Dames never heckle
A dude’s giant schmeckle.
Now take your fake problem and get outta here.
Or pursue women instead of junior high girls.
Paint it white
Actually that makes it look bigger.
That’s why they tell fat people to wear dark clothes.
LOL! Come on thwack,there are SOME white guys packin’!! Oh wait! Did you mean this guy was Asian?
Dear Penthouse,
At eleven inches, I’m a bit on the small side…
lolzzlololzz
So long as them dames
Have accommodating frames,
A 22 year old swpl guy hitting on a 32 year old prole bartender? The pre-selection needs to go much further than her seeing you open sets. Bring a girl you are currently fucking around so she can see your body language with a girl you are fucking. If that option’s not available, when you chat with her, mention a couple of girls you are fucking, real or not, by name. DHV and disqualify yourself completely. If you are at the bar alone, make out that it’s your “get away” spot from the nymphomaniacs in your life. Tell her a story about how one of your girls is driving you nuts trying to talk you into an exclusive relationship. Tell her another story about getting caught cheating by an ex-girlfriend and how ugly it was. Tell her you still fuck her sometimes, though. Don’t be afraid to make her think you treat women like trash.
When you finally do fuck this prole and see her in the morning light, your obsession with her will end.
Tell her stories about how you got caught cheating? This is the Worst. Advice. Ever.
Why? What do you think her reaction will be? Consider the context here.
Its not that bad actually. What he has to worry about is how he will handle the bartender’s response to the “i got caught cheating” story. That story should invite a shit test that must be passed with flying colors.
eh I agree with KidB. Implying that you got “caught” cheating shows that a)you are a liar and b) you were too much of a wuss to get out of the relationship. Rather, tell her that you always tell girls upfront that you have no intentions of being exclusive because you hate messing with people’s heads. Trust me, telling a girl you want to bone that you have a hard time committing to one girl will get you farther because in her mind she is thinking she could be the one who makes you commit or b) sees you as an indifferent and/or aloof bloke who is not that desperate that they would lie (relatively speaking of course) just to get laid.
Anal after 9 months? You guys are prudes.
And honestly, I didn’t know bitches could fall in love before being fucked up the ass.
Remember, women are like video games and the best way into their panties is downloading cheat codes off the internet.
Except instead of “cheat code” let’s call it “biomechanical scientific rationality” or something like that. The advantage of inventing your own science is that you get to invent all the evidence yourself too.
Also to the first letter writer seeking advice about the bartender, it sounds like you just need to bust a nut in someone first and see how you feel about her afterwards. Cause it sounds like you’re just horny.
Except instead of “cheat code” let’s call it “biomechanical scientific rationality” or something like that. The advantage of inventing your own science is that you get to invent all the evidence yourself too.
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Care to elaborate? Unclear what you’re getting at.
Sure. In this case I mean pseudo-scientific blargh like this:
“Female bisexuality is an in-group adaptation that firms up (heh) social bonds and increases the likelihood that a woman’s children or future children will be able to enjoy the group’s resources.”
Watch how I can do the exact same thing to “prove” the opposite:
“Female bisexuality is a modern maladaption. Rather settle down with one man and raise her children, the woman is free to pursue same-sex flings and (non-reproductive) affairs until she feels the desperate need for a baby, by which time her eggs are all dried up.”
I guarantee you this “Chateau” character could write another essay next month about how female bisexuality is actually really bad for society and children, link it to this one, and no one would notice. Because we’re all just making it up.
What I meant by ‘cheat codes’ is just taking common dating advice like
“Touch her shoulder to show you’re interested, and compliment her eyes”
and turning it into
“Initiate kino during the 10 second window after negging her glasses and then judo-flipping the neg into a surprise positive”
It’s like women have some kind of secret code built into their DNA and if you hit the right buttons in the right order, they will fuck you for sure.
For what it’s worth, googling “intitiate kino” will give you a good idea about the mindset.
This evo-game is like watching retards trying to get a kite in the air by themselves. You feel bad for smirking but you just can’t stop watching. Bless their hearts.
“It’s like women have some kind of secret code built into their DNA and if you hit the right buttons in the right order, they will fuck you for sure.”
I think you’re onto something here, sparky.
Female bisexuality is so common that it is has to be a result of some innate feature, and quite possibly itself an adaptation.
Yes its how they adapt to be horny and drunk
This evo-game is like watching retards trying to get a kite in the air by themselves. You feel bad for smirking but you just can’t stop watching. Bless their hearts.
Shh. Don’t blaspheme the creed while you’re in the combox pews. Some true believer might call you a beta, and then how would you feel?
Women in my area LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE younger men.
5 years minimum, 10,20 or more – even better.
Regarding hot bartenderettes, depending on the club, there’s a chance she might be sucking management/owner/bouncer dick to get/keep her job.
Which means they will be very ‘protective’ of her.
Also, what’s your STD tolerance?
i went through gfs phone briefly. her best guyfriend texted her “u should come over itd b the best fuck of ur life.” my gf replied “no thanks i have a bf for that!” etc. then later the next day she made plans to party with him over the weekend etc.
she’s 20, he’s 19 – also a drug dealer. she buys weed off him, though did coke etc with him back in day. im in canada, i bounce – he’ll be at the club tmrw night. thoughts on how i should deal with asshat from hear on out would be appreciated.
Are you believably scrappy? Are you believably crazy?
If so, have a convo with him. Buy him drinks. Kill him with kindness. Then all of a sudden out of nowhere get real serious, and say that I know you’re trying to fuck my girlfriend. Good luck trying to seal the deal. But if you do, It’ll be a decision you regret. And then don’t say another word about it.
Yes i can be crazy/scappy. natural bodybuilder. sounda good, though it’ll be tough buying the pecker a drink when im werkin.
If the girl is hot or charismatic, this is a bad idea because he’ll be doing this all the time. Best is to put the fear of a slow and unpretty death in the girlfriend.
The speech goes something like, “If you want to leave, just tell me. I’ll help you pack your bags. But if you make me eat another man’s cum from your lips, I will cut them off.”
Good advice
and stay calm the whole time
don’t lose your temper
Shit.
I meant good advice about what KidB said
what Nicole said is a bit weird.
That is the point. One never knows how crazy the other guy is or isn’t. Besides, if he’s dealing, he’s packing.
The most efficient mate guarding is the mate guarding herself. Then you only have to convince one person you’re crazy. You also don’t have the complications involved with scaring too many people whose blabbering you can’t control.
to clarify, she texted “lol no thanks etc” from what i recall
The first mistake you made was having a girlfriend.
Word up son. Thats deep shit
No, your problem is, you’re dating a druggie slut. Expect many more similar scenarios. They’ll keep comin’ until she’ll succumb.
Please refer to the post below where an upstanding med-student who’s “not a bar slut” is pulling the same shit on her guy.
Yep, I saw it. She is a semi-slut that one.
“then later the next day she made plans to party with him over the weekend etc.
she’s 20, he’s 19 – also a drug dealer. she buys weed off him, though did coke etc with him back in day.”
You are terribly naive if you don’t know what hot 20 year old girls do to “pay” for expensive drug habits, especially coke. She wants an eight ball of blow let’s say. You think she won’t blow for blow? Get fucking real. Your first and worst mistake was making a girlfriend out of coke head. I’m sure he provides first they both get coked up and fuck like rabbits or she polishes him off. Kick this bitch to the curb, or at least, for the love of christ don’t call her your girlfriend. She is 100% embarassing you behind your back. You said “back in the day” so maybe she isn’t snorting anymore… or, maybe she is and you just don’t know about it? You can also suck lots of cock for an eighth of high quality bud too, FYI.
Do chicks blow dudes for weed though? I’m sure it’s happened but I bet it’s rare.
lmao.
Yeah, and weed isn’t addictive either.
That’s why the Mexican cartels murder hundreds per year over weed deliveries. Because people can easily live without weed.
Not really. They blow the dudes because they are drug dealers. Getting weed is just the side benefit. With other drugs, it’s another story. Cocaine is said to be better at getting guys laid than chocolates.
The general rule almost everywhere though is that good girls don’t buy, at least not from boys.
Yes.
+1
Cross-reference with ‘Occasional Smoker’.
Does he know you are together? If so you gotta beat the shit outta him.
Getting the Bartenderess naked.
Show up wearing a leather jacket, no shirt, and the unbearably cute face of a TeaCup poodle peering fearfully at the world from right above the zipper.
Alternatively, use the same conceptual frame; except bring a large snake in place of the cute dog.
Or just hand her a fake business card and say without emotion, ” if you are interested in a better gig, give me a call.”
been with a new girl for about two months now.
she has informed me on multiple occasions that 1) i am too coy with her 2) she wouldnt mind it if i were less aloof 3) i could be sweeter with her. i am sparing with my affections, admittedly.
last guy she dated was “clingy” and frankly, sounds like kind of a bum. i’m a huge believer in having my own “mission”–very driven, very solid job, keep myself in good shape, etc, and she has made comments to the effect that she likes this.
the other night she was at my place (giving me an early christmas present). her phone rang 4 or 5 times–this is not a common event. each time she glanced at it, somewhat embarrassed, and quickly ignored the call. i get texts from other girls frequently when this girl is around; i normally look at it, pause, and then get back to what i was talking about. finally, after the 4th or 5th, i raised my eyebrow and said “you should probably take the call, make sure everything is ok.” she got really red, and said “no, no, it’s ok.”
two questions:
1) based on her comments, should i tone down my aloof behavior with her? i’m very cocky&funny (hate abbreviations) with her, but i approach this more from an alpha than a pua perspective, if that makes sense. thing is, she’s a good girl–she’s “with it,” level-headed, not an attention whore, knows how to act, etc., so at the very least, i’m interested in keeping her around a bit longer, but i’d like to know whether i maintain my aloof nature or tone it down, because she’s definitely been dropping hints like crazy that she’d like more attention. defying expectations is one thing, but turning her off is another
2) the calls the other night – an (the?) ex? if so, what should have been my appropriate response, and what is the response going forward? my plan is largely to demonstrate value through 1) attracting other women and 2) maintaining my own high personal value (looks, social status, etc.), but i’m not sure what emotional investment i’m dealing with her and that’s a tricky subject to split. tying this into (1), if this guy is ringing her every couple nights (not that i dont get calls, i just tell girls WHEN they MAY call), i don’t want my aloof-game to blow up in my face as a result if she wants more attention.
advice appreciated
advice appreciated
What the hell is the reason for having this “girlfriend” in the first place?
When you copulate with a chick, you’re either trying to make a baby, or else you’re engaging in an utterly purposeless act of hypernarcissistic masturbatory nihilism.
BTW, how the hell can you call a chick your “girlfriend” if you don’t even feel sufficiently comfortable to say to her, with a grunt and a frown, “Is that your ex giving you shit again,” followed by a roll of the eyes?
Or maybe you want her ex hitting on her precisely because, deep down inside, you know that the relationship is just so much masturbatory time-wasting, and you want out.
Seriously, dude, you need a Come-to-Jesus moment here: Either find some chick to settle down and start making babies with [traditionally, that was what once was known as a “wife”], or else just download some pr0n off the innert00bz and whack off.
It’s not like our shit-for-a-total-fertility-rate would suffer from you manning up, getting serious, and putting a few buns in some chick’s oven.
Same advice I gave the guy above, your first mistake was having a girlfriend.
No, the same advice I gave the guy above, your problem is you’re dating a slut. If she is getting calls from other men, she is just a fuck buddy, not a real GF, so who cares what she does and with whom.
Madonna whore much?
Ideally, “aloof game” shouldn’t be a game at all, it should be a natural state and frame. A man who has options has an abundance mentality and feels no need to be an overeager entertainment monkey for any woman (not that you are).
You say you get texts from other girls, that’s good. But I’m getting a sense of one-itis from your post. A naturally aloof demeanor comes from not losing sleep from worrying about losing this girl, even though you like her more than others. You have to commit to the thought of possibly never penetrating that pussy again someday, and being okay with that. It doesn’t mean lying to yourself and pretending to not give a shit at all, but it’s all about the abundance frame because, ironically, with that frame you have less chance of losing her. It’s easy to post that in a comment, but tough to do for most men. Like the Zombie said, what do you want with this girl? an LTR? Kids? Only two months is too short a time to be exclusive. Your age also factors in to what you want from relationships but you didn’t give it.
Is your aloofness coming off as too standoffish? Overly affected and contrived? Not aloof but emotionally distant to a fault? You say she’s smart, she might be seeing through it and knows on some level you’re gaming her, even if she doesn’t use that word to herself. Perhaps she interprets it as fear and not confidence. The point of these relationships with women is to enjoy them. To not see her as the antagonist, or the enemy. There’s no need for that because, again, you have other options, and even if your options are weak, you still need that frame.
So, yes, if you feel your aloofness is too constricting and coming from an unnatural place, be less aloof, but do it slowly so it goes as undetected as possible, because this is also obviously a shit test. She wants you to become more beta, and then as soon as you do that her tingles diminish (the old female contradiction).
Don’t go beta, be an alpha who doesn’t a fuck about the exact measure of his aloofness. Enjoy the hell out of your time with her. Read Krauser’s Deep Conversion post too, and his blog in general.
(as far as the phone calls that she didn’t answer, don’t know, probably from a guy or the ex as you said. you’ve only been with her for two months so she probably has old stragglers still trying to get a piece, or she’s seeing other guys because you’re not completely doing it for her, or your aloofness and texts from girls signals to her that your not going to be exclusive, and that’s what she wants so she’s leaving her options open, and will eventually leave you. if that’s what she wants then you can’t force her.)
Don’t pay attention to these 2 cock suckers.
We need some info about you and your girlfriend. Is she of considerably lower value than you? It may seem like you’re in a bit of an overkill right now. She may think that you are unobtainable. But it’s hard to tell you for sure, because we don’t know enough about you two.
But overall you don’t seem like a blatant idiot, so go with your guts.
probably close to even value-wise objectively, but i act like i’m worth more, and that helps me in social circles.
both med students–i’ll be working full-time next year, she’s in her second-to-last year. never mentioned she’s my “girlfriend,” though it’s probably an apt label.
she has a residency-leading-to-fulltime-employment in the same city (not NY/DC) where i’ll be, and i’d be interested in seeing her this summer.
i just want to stomp this guy out – he’s back in her old hometown (2000 mi away), but the point is, i want her to crave me, and using standard alpha doesn’t seem applicable here. she’s not a typical bar slut, and she genuinely seems to want more attention–mentioning how much she likes it when i give her *any* attention outside of seeing her at my place.
Be very careful about giving her more ( too much ) attention. Your game has taken you this far, so don’t be so quick abandon it. Remember always that girls will ask for shit they don’t even want, just to see if you’ll do it. Then they’ll hate you for doing what they said they wanted.
They’re always looking for ways to disqualify you, it’s preloaded software for the female brain. They’re not even consciously aware they’re doing it. Once they can slap the beta label on you, you’ll be tossed in the recycle bin.
Throw her a bone , maybe do something nice for her. Tell her she’s special. Then proceed as usual.
My gut reaction is that this cry for more attention is attempt to suss out your inner beta.
She’s spinning plates and juggling cocks while you’re having oneitits asking random chodes on the internet for mate guarding advice. You don’t have higher value than her, bro. And don’t think she can’t sniff out that shit either.
Yeah, now I’m almost feeling sorry for the guy, because it’s sounding like that chick might have been A Keeper.
Well, at least she WOULD have been a keeper, if she had had a warm personality and a kind heart.
But a chick who’s still leading her ex boyfriend along by his ballz, all the while pretending to be your new “girlfriend”, is a chick who can NEVER be trusted.
It’ll hurt a lot [to your pride especially] when she finally breaks up with you*, but you’ll get over it, and some day you’ll be able to look back on the little two-timing whore and say, “Thank GOD I didn’t marry that witch.”
“Kind Heart” – that’s what you’re looking for in A Keeper – a kind heart.
Nice girlz do NOT two-time their men.
*If you can get some positive confirmation that she is indeed still flirting with her ex, then you MUST pre-emptively blow her off IMMEDIATELY.
Don’t even give her the opportunity to break up with you first.
Or to cheat on you [if she hasn’t already].
“Kind Heart” – that’s what you’re looking for in A Keeper – a kind heart.
Nice girlz do NOT two-time their men.”
So true, but I think you might be jumping the gun a bit on telling him to break up with her. He wants to make her go crazy over him first, then he’ll decide what he wants to do with her.
“i just want to stomp this guy out”
Play hot and cold. It might work well in this situation, and make her stop thinking about him, if she is.
Spend one weakened day with her, and then ignore her for 4-5 days – don’t answer her calls or text her back. Then when you do, tell to come over as if nothing. Do that a few times.
NiteLily So true, but I think you might be jumping the gun a bit on telling him to break up with her.
Okay, there’s maybe a 1-in-a-Million chance that the chick is on the up-and-up, but let’s go ahead and play by the Marquis of Queensbury rules, and make absolutely certain about it.
Two ways to do that:
1) Watch [or videotape] while she enters her cellphone password, then one night [while she’s asleep], grab her cellphone, install some keystroke-logging software and/or some incoming/outgoing call-tracking software, which uploads it all to a central server, and then monitor everything she does. Now this is at least a felony on the state level, and if it involves long distance [interstate] calls, then it’s certainly a federal felony, so if you get caught, then you go to prison, and as an ex-con for the rest of your life, you’ll never get a chance to become a board-certified MD.
2) Use Game.
And here’s a technique that works’s extremely well with high-IQ chicks: Give her PRECISELY what she asked for, only blindside her with it in a manner that she was never expecting when she asked for it.
Ergo, the next time she’s whining and bitching and moaning about how aloof you are, you very slowly turn to her, and stare deeply into her eyes [no part of your face can twitch or tremble at this point], and summon your deepest, most masculine voice [which can’t have any adolescent frog-chirps in it now, it’s gotta be thoroughly manly], and say, “Honey, do you really want me to open up with you and be honest about us? All right, here goes: You and I have got a big, big problem, in that there are three people in this here little relationship of ours – Me, you, and that ex of yours. And I’m sorry, but that just ain’t my style. So you go home for Christmas break, have a great time with him, and after that, I sincerely hope you have a wonderful life ahead of you.” Then get up and start to leave forever.
Now roughly three things might happen at this point. The first is the 1-in-a-Million possibilty:
A) She makes a screwy, smiley-frown face, starts to laugh, and says, “OMG, honey, you thought that was my ex?!? That was my DAD!!! He’s coming out here on business, in January, and he wants to meet you and take us all to dinner. But you’ve been so gosh-darned aloof that I thought I would scare you off if I told you about it!!!”
But then there are the two possibilities which combine for the 999,999-out-of-a-Million:
B) The evil, lying, forked-tongue little cunt gets all cute and cuddly and mommy-eyed goo-goo-ga-ga and says, “Oh baby, I don’t have any feelings for him. We’re just friends. You don’t have anything to worry about!”
Or:
C) The bitch goes full-blown Borderline Personality Disorder on your ass, and starts screaming, “HOW DARE YOU LISTEN IN ON MY PHONE CALLS!!! HOW DARE YOU TRY TO TELL ME WHO I CAN AND CANNOT TALK TO!!! I’M A GROWN WOMAN!!! HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME LIKE THAT!!! blah blah blah blah blah…” Followed by throwing all sorts of shit at you, such as the nearest lamp, an iron skillet or two, the cats’ litter box, etc etc etc.
Anyway, in either of those 999,999-out-of-a-Million possibilities, your ass just walks away and never looks back.
Don’t even say a word.
Just walk the fuck away.
“but the point is, i want her to crave me, and using standard alpha doesn’t seem applicable here. she’s not a typical bar slut, and she genuinely seems to want more attention–mentioning how much she likes it when i give her *any* attention outside of seeing her at my place.”
Oh well that’s a different story. I thought she was a slut because you’re getting texts from other girls and she is putting up with this, sleeping with you without a commitment and knowing you have others. But now that you say she is a student and not the typical bar slut, as Zombie Shane says, she sounds like she could have been a keeper. But maybe she still is. I am not sure that breaking up with her is necessarily good. Have a talk with her, but don’t lose your Alpha ways, continuing being dominant. Maybe some dread will work.
“i just want to stomp this guy out – he’s back in her old hometown (2000 mi away), but the point is, i want her to crave me, and using standard alpha doesn’t seem applicable here. she’s not a typical bar slut, and she genuinely seems to want more attention–mentioning how much she likes it when i give her *any* attention outside of seeing her at my place.”
That’s not the right frame to be in. Would you consider stomping a fly? No, you don’t even care about the fly. The thing is: your status in itself should be enough to get rid of any “ex” problems. Ignore him.
If the (supposed) ex’s calls re-emerge, just get this clear with her on the spot. Tell her in a very formal way (that’s very important, formal, like she is suddenly just another person) that, if this is her ex, she should probably take some time to sort this out with him. Don’t show that you are affected by this. Ideally, you shouldn’t be. If you are, this is a sign that you need to work on your game (especially inner game).
My take on this is that she was embarrassed because she doesn’t care about him, but didn’t want to tell you she got calls from another guy because she associates that with being a slut.
Now, if you don’t hear about these calls, don’t raise that subject ever. Look at YaReally’s link, and make sure you don’t fall into the same trap. If you want to tone down you’re alphaness, go ahead, very slowly, but ANYTHING that makes you feel bad, kinda shameful (the strange feeling betas have all the time), DON’T DO IT. You feel like buying her a little present, but you feel strange on the way to the shop? Get the fuck away from any shop for 3 days, because you’re on the highway to betaland. She’s been a good girl and you feel like she deserves a little public display of affection? Sure, go ahead. But anything that makes you uncomfortable, nervous, tensed, these are big signs that you are going too deep into betaland. Remember (or learn about) congruence.
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You are putting your P in her V while she ignores calls from her ex. Why would you change what you’re doing? lol
If you want to stop the nagging and competition with her ex, try this:
Next call she gets, stop having sex and yell at her without giving her a chance to explain herself or discuss anything, saying you know that’s her ex and you know she’s banging him and fuck it you guess you don’t mean as much to her as you thought, call her a slut and tell her to go be with him instead and shout this is why you can’t let girls in because they just break your heart as you kick her out and then ignore her txts/calls for a couple days.
It’ll be the most exciting week of her life.
Shit, man, you’re awesome!
terrific advice! I would love to watch that
I have a Natural buddy who does this kind of stuff all the time. It’s pretty funny but the more important thing is that it works, especially on the good girls who probably aren’t banging their ex. She panics and realizes she might lose my buddy and that emotional rollercoaster is WAY more earth-shaking to her than whatever gay shit her ex is txting and she goes into chase mode trying to win him back.
He apologizes for freaking out (“i dunno I never get jealous like that about a girl…it’s weird, I don’t know why I freaked out…”) later so of course she thinks “omg he has FEELINGS for me, i’m taming the untame-able player, i’m special and going to save him!” and he acts a bit distant and let’s her win him back and then she’s all over him again and tells her ex to go away because now she has a new project to invest in and my buddy is providing all the emotional excitement she needs.
If she’s txting her ex, or any other guys, it’s because you’re not providing the emotional rollercoaster of excitement she needs to feel alive and attracted so she’s creating her own drama to fill that by having a “secret” tryst situ.
Think of it like this: do soap operas and twilight and 90210 and shit just show normal pleasant people being decent to each other as they just go about their lives doing normal things? Or does the evil twin brother seduce the girl and then break her heart after her interfering brother is murdered and she pines for her dead lover as she solves her brothers murder while opening her heart again to the evil twin etc etc?
Julien from RSD has a lot of videos about purposely creating drama. Personally I don’t care enough about most girls to bother with it because I like my life drama free and would rather just move on to the next girl. But it’s something guys should try a few times just to understand the dynamics and you never know what style of game is going to resonate with you so it’s worth giving a go.
Of course this guy won’t do it, because he’s feeling one-itisey, but he should.
That is so true!
shit
my comment was bout the YaReally’s linked comic strip
cardinal, how old are you? Quit wasting your time dating these stupid girls and spending hours into these “relationships”. Seriously, grow some balls man.
The way a woman reacts to a painfully big penis is the single best barometer of how she confronts masculinity in general. Paradoxically, petite women seem to enjoy it more than 5’9 SWPLs.
Man, from experience – there is some truth to this. I am packing somewhat more than average, but not ridiculous pornstar status. Only one girl ever made a big deal about it and she was the tallest curviest girl I ever banged, probably 5’10, almost amazonian haha. She would do the clenched teeth sharp inhalation thing while I was pounding away. I found it amusing at the time because I’d just gotten off a string of very petite girls, the smallest of which was 5′ and 98 lbs, and besides admiring comments, it never was an issue with any of them. I wondered if maybe nature just gave her an especially short canal…
I have a smaller penis because I’m fairly short (5’6). My first “best sex ever” compliment was from a 5’11 slut.
Vaginal size varies greatly, and doesn’t necessarily correlate to height. I have a large penis, and have been with a good deal of women of varying colors and sizes. My experience has been that women of African descent have larger than average canals, while Asians have the smallest. Caucasian girls run the spectrum, from tight-as-fuck to as loose as a wizard’s sleeve.
As an aside, I feel like vaginal size/depth/attractiveness is an underrated quality in today’s sexual marketplace, and one that is extremely valuable to me.
“Vaginal size varies greatly, and doesn’t necessarily correlate to height.”
This.
“I feel like vaginal size/depth/attractiveness is an underrated quality in today’s sexual marketplace, and one that is extremely valuable to me.”
Yeah, when I say “your pussy feels so good, baby” during bang sessions, I definitely mean it.
In my younger days, I use to ‘believe the hype’ about pussy size. It is about as false as dick size. Older and wiser now, I share with you the following, which I also saw in a recent youtube video posted by some MILF looking whore that basically extolls the fact that she has taken more cocks than a sperm bank. I love Western women, did I mention that? Anyways, back on topic… I’m 6 feet tall and my cock is above average in length/width. I have caused discomfort enough times in my life to know this. Like my man said above, -not- a pornstar by any yardstick but frequently hearing “oww!” and if I’m taking you from behind, you likely will bleed a little even if you don’t feel it.
I’m not hung up about dick size like most younger men are, I know what I’m packing. However, I was even past my 20s still confused about how pussies work. I dated a little Fuckapino (Fillipino) for a while that was bordering on kiddie porn status. 5 feet tall 98 lbs. I simply figured that I would puncture her uterus. Not….even… close. The widest, flappiest, and most longest pussy I ever banged in my life, and I’ve had my share, was contained inside that body. Conversely, I use to bang a 5’10″ Paris Hilton knock-off with a cunt as tight as what I imagined on the little asian whore. Take home message- Pussy and body type are about as related and dick and body type for men. That has been my experience utterly in the past 20 years of bangin’ out whoo-ahs.
Jay in DC
I dated a little Fuckapino (Fillipino) for a while that was bordering on kiddie porn status.
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A race mixing racist: LOL!
oops, I mean, white power!
LMAO!
Puttin’ the vanilla in Manila… folder-ol.
Those Big Vagina ladies are getting away with murder
Ah, yes… another one of the light bearers.
He’s an equal-opportunity offender, though… I’ll give him that.
He had me laughing when he hired that orchestra to serenade, out in the street in the wee hours of the morning, one of his fellow chosen with the overture to Wagner’s Meistersinger
I wondered if maybe nature just gave her an especially short canal…
well, it’s either nature or plastic surgery.
(see: ava moore in nip/tuck)
As a petite girl, my N = 1 agrees with you
Pics or GTFO.
Hmmm, here’s something to ponder,
If women today successfully manage to transform the word slut to include men, does that mean that attempts by women to shame promiscuous men would then become verboten, as it would be a form of slut-shaming?
In which case, shouldn’t cads (which is the correct term for a promiscuous man) embrace this attempt to re-label them?
I used to think there was no such thing as a male slut until too many guys I knew who were less selective than they should have been about personality caught bad STD’s like hepatitis and herpes. This weighed very heavily in my decision to avoid guys who aren’t masculine enough.
Male slut means something different from female slut, but it’s just as bad. It’s not a guy who gets laid often outside of a commitment, or does freaky things. It’s a guy who’s constantly screwing addicts and other kinds of nasty girls. He thinks he’s a player, but no quality women, hot or simply not desperate enough to roll the microbial dice, would go near him.
This is my primary argument with RooshV who has openly stated that he raw dogs just about every cunt he comes into contact with. I use to be that guy, and I paid for it mightily. My dick has been through battle and I have the scars to prove it. In a RooshV world, your cock would end up looking like the moon. Pock-marked with craters from every funky and nasty form of disease you had to ever have removed. Pornstars get tested for STDs every 2 weeks. The rest of us… not so much. Wrap your dick or suffer especially in a society in 2012 full of “strong, empowered, women” read; easy, masculine whores.
Want an easy way to know what’s beta in any situation? Just ask what is the politically correct thing to do. Political correctness is forced betadom.
“Nine and a half month mark – first anal. Explain that it’s time for her to prove her love more deeply.”
[shakes head]
Sorry Bro, that should be @ the Nine and a half WEEK mark and preferably with a post-coital creampie picture on your phone. “Love” ain’t anywhere near the lexicon at that point. “I own your ass,” is a better translation as you make a cupping gesture with your hand, so as to signal her to run and fetch you a beer. That is pre-dread game.
I’ve got another opinion on Trimegistus suggestion that women are a lot more willing to be bisexual lipstick lesbians. It not that it women are more prone to it, than men just that in men homosexuality is so frowned upon.
In old society women value came from their ability to bear children, mens value came from the service they could provide. I.E. their ability to kill animals other thing, hunt in packs, generally be hard nose providers.
If a women gender bends a bit, then she still retains her female value. If a man gender bends he is considered a women without the ability to bear children, hence he has no male value and no female value.
Being seen as effeminate as a man, socially has always been punished. So a bi-sexual man with catch a lot more flack than bi-sexual women.
Plus women know it hot and turns guys on.
Need an assist here– how do you discuss GFs “innocent flirting” in my presence without coming across as needy/insecure/jealous?
Don’t discuss it with her.
If she’s attention-whoring, find a new girl. Innocent flirting is always anything but and you’ll regret it down the line.
If she’s looking to make you jealous as a shit-test, draw her own insecurities. Don’t talk to her much for a couple days, but drop vague hints about your “busy” social life–”gotta go, cab’s here.” Do not let her believe you’re a “kept man,” make her understand that she is fungible.
“innocent flirting” is to “innocent” as semi-boneless is to boneless.
Don’t get the mouthful with the bone.
Don’t discuss. Action and emotions trump logical discussions. Turn the tables on her. Flirt with other girls. Make it appear that others are pursuing YOU and use texting to your advantage in that regard. See how she responds…
This.
A lot of girls will test a guy by flirting with other guys and seeing how he reacts. If she’s into you and you don’t give a shit about her flirting and are instead flirting with other girls yourself, you’ll find she pretty much 100% of the time ditches the guy she was flirting with (either instantly or by the end of the night) to come cockblock you and claim her territory from “those sluts”.
For hot girls sex is easy, they could say to any guy “hey wanna fuck?” and the guy is on board. So they think its that easy for guys. You could just be making small talk with a girl but yours will see it and think “omg they’re going to have sex if I don’t stop it!!” and her whole mission becomes getting your attention back. Then just take her home and fuck her.
“S/Ra answer: Female bisexuality is an in-group adaptation that firms up (heh) social bonds and increases the likelihood that a woman’s children or future children will be able to enjoy the group’s resources.”
I have a whole blog post dedicated to that:
The Evolution of Female Bisexuality « JayMan’s Blog
Quick question: Is it beta to eat a chick out?
It’s only beta if you think it’s beta.
Stop wondering and do whatever the fuck you want. Just do it the alpha way.
Ahhh good cuz I love fish taco.
I only put my mouth down there if she is Long Term Relationship material
Yes….only special v-jayjay gets special treatment. You don’t want to get mouth to crotch with dumpsters.
The first threesome should occur within the first 2 weeks; otherwise, it typically won’t happen until after about 10 years of marriage
True alpha would be meeting her during a threesome with one of your previous hookups.
I actually pulled something close to that off once; a new girlfriend and I swapped with a couple she knew (I only knew the dude), and a couple years later, I started seeing the other chick.
The downside to that, as I learned, is that the chick you met swinging – not wanting to open the door to being replaced – isn’t going to be having threesomes or moresomes with you any time soon. She may talk about them – quite A LOT in this particular case – but if you actually want to have one, you have to be prepared to put in something on the order of the full marriage of 10 years.
Still, there’s something to be said for dating a chick you met in a situation such that the first words she ever said to you – words which were completely unprompted – were when she turned to you and said, “I like cum; just not in my face.” Needless to say, there was no need I my part for openers. In fact, I think my response at the time mighta been, “Hi. By the way, my name is [DirkJohanson]”
But, yes, meeting chicks by having sex with them to break the ice is a good thing.
“Still, there’s something to be said for dating a chick you met in a situation such that the first words she ever said to you – words which were completely unprompted – were when she turned to you and said, “I like cum; just not in my face.”
Yes indeed. That “something to be said” is “good for fun, not to make house.”
If you could only ever have one, I’d rather have tight game than be rich:
http://screen.yahoo.com/millionaire-wants-a-girlfriend-from-santa-31296828.html
Players are constantly dodging relationships until *they* truly want one. Rich dipshits on the other hand…
He specified, on top of that, a “Latina” girlfriend. What a dumbass. Why doesn’t he just expat to a Latin American country? There are, like, twenty of them to choose from. (Including the United States, ha.)
The billboard is the ghetto part of town too. Down by the navy base. Not sure what he’s thinking.
He’s thinking he wants a few illegal girls to run to him for “protection” and create his own harem-on-earth.
Remember that American guy in Central America doing this (some CEO-billionaire), who just has a massive estate with about 10 local women living there at his sexual beck and call?
This dude probably read that story, but doesn’t want to move.
Well, I already told my bartender story here.
It seems a running theme here about bartender chicks is that guys get obsessed with them enough to fix themselves to get laid–but by other chicas. Mine certainly was part of my inspiration, but by the time I was good enough to nail her, she was (sadly) past the point of expiration.
Or the guys become creepy stalkers and never get any from anyone, and end up shooting up a mini-mall (hello, Sweetheart Jason!).
Your choice boys: adapt or die.
re bi girls : they all have mothers and were all cuddled / kissed / cooed over / fed by them ? That’s got to leave a few subliminal memories …
re bartenders – a sign in a bar in Northern CA, tattooed but pretty barmaid :
“Sexual harassment of staff is allowed but may be graded”
I’d like to hear your thoughts on why women seem to be more open to situational bisexuality than men
Some of it is attention whoring. I’ve seen otherwise conservative females get into heavy duty liplock with females at parties or clubs while at the center of a gaggle of guys hooting them on. Here’s these gals battlecry: “Oh look at me! I’m sooooooo outrageous! I’m kissing another grrrrrl! Look at me!”
Never underestimate what a lot of women will do for male attention, especially if they perceive the males to be of high(er) quality.
It’s Sunday… why ain’t you guys in church?
Why aren’t you? God’s gonna be pissed.
I was there for the early service and didn’t see any of youse guys… and y’all weren’t at Bible study last Tuesday, neither!
Don’t make me tell Aunt Bootsie.