Hot girls are different than other women. Not radically so, but enough to notice by those with an unfiltered eye. The universality of female sexual nature bends and distorts a bit when the subject is a smoking hot 22 year old 8, 9 or 10, like travel at the speed of light will warp the passage of time. In fact, speed of light travel is a pretty good metaphor for how fast you will jizz inside a hard 10′s vagina.
The difference in sexual predilection, temperament and reactiveness between hot chicks and the rest of womankind lies primarily in two interacting social phenomena: one, hot chicks know they’re hotter than other girls and two, hot chicks receive a lot more tangible and intangible attention from men. (An example of intangible attention: while fewer men may approach a 10 than would approach a 7, the 10 can’t help but notice how many men swivel their heads in her direction when she breezes past them. Tangible attention: hot chicks get their meals paid more often than other women.)
Knowing these two things, the master seducer tailors his game as befits the degree of beauty of his preferred conquest. He knows, for instance, that hot chicks will rebuke flattery much more aggressively than will lesser women. Hot chicks squeal with glee for negs and teasing bordering on insults. Hot chicks expect you to be flustered around them; stay calm and unmoved, and you capture their interest. Hot chicks love love love to be disqualified. And hot chicks don’t suffer weak men gladly.
Most invidiously, hot chicks may even be greater cheating and cuckold risks than less attractive girls. (h/t: reader wudang)
Unrestricted sociosexuality was generally associated with greater attractiveness in female composites and real female faces and greater masculinity in male composites.
They may also be sluttier.
It has been found that symmetrical men (and women) have a tendency to begin to have sexual intercourse at an earlier age, to have more sexual partners, and to have more one-night stands.
And their very special combination of genes makes them not only more attractive to men, but also apt to have more lifetime partners.
Scientists have found a link between genetically diverse females and high numbers of sexual partners.
New research from Western Australia has shown that a series of genes linked to the immune system could explain why some women are more sexually successful than others. The genes are thought to make them more attractive to potential partners.
There are two ways to avoid sluts, whores and manipulative users, and reduce the risk that your girlfriend or future wife will cheat on you:
1. Don’t date hot girls.
2. Break in hot girls with incredibly tight game, like you would break in a wild bronco.
Now number 1 doesn’t sound like much fun. It’s easy, but nothing good in life comes easy.
Number 2 is where it’s at. Tight game will tame the hottest girls. Those frisky mares need and love a strong crop to the flanks. The good news is that hot girls lap up tight game like a kitten does a bowl of milk, because they so rarely experience the thrill of it from the men who surround them. You will set yourself apart if you game a 9 the same way you game an annoying 6 who’s full of herself: like she’s nothing special.
The bad news is that hot girls are the best at sussing out even the tiniest hints of weakness or incongruity in men. If your game isn’t consistently good and believable, you’ll be lunch meat. And you have to be on top of your game for YEARS. The beta margin of error that you normally get with plainer girls will be greatly attenuated with hot girls. If you want to prevent a hot girlfriend from straying, you’ve either got to mate guard like a drug lord’s right hand man, or you’ve got to game guard like Casanova.
This is why most greater beta males shoot for the 6 and 7 sweet spot in feminine beauty; they’re manageable with some minimal game and they let the beta male sleep at night without constantly worrying every five minutes if the kid is his.
was this a guest post?
this.
I wrote a detailed response on Quora on this very subject in response to a an anonymous beta who was pining for Jennifer Love Hewitt
http://www.quora.com/Dating-and-Relationships-1/How-do-I-get-a-date-with-Jennifer-Love-Hewitt/answer/Kai-Peter-Chang
Gingers are for banging.
Mary Anns are for dating.
Wha? No luv for Lovey?
heh, heh…
I remember a guy name Phil and when he walked into the room and I preconsciously said, ” we had our Phil”. He was my first Phil. When the bubble in my head made plumb, I realized he had heard that shit all his life. Don’t make this mistake with Phil.
ya a lot of PUAs learn how to land the 10s and then date a few and are like “fuck this is a hassle” and end up happily settling with a 7-8 because it’s way less work. Even when the chick herself is cool, you have to deal with an onslaught of male attention. It takes a shit-ton of security and abundance mentality to handle that stuff and most guys aren’t up to it.
Cue the fat feminist uggo lecturing us “that GAME stuff with your NEGS won’t work on MEEEEE”. No shit, it’s for hot girls who live in a reality you can’t even comprehend, the way a beta can’t comprehend the reality an alpha lives in lol
So if you are going out with your 10, what kind of hassles do you deal with? I’m not even talking about a nightclub, just out and about normal style.
Think of yourself when you see a girl with awesome tits and/or a great ass with her boyfriend. First thing most men think is “god damn I’d fuck that” and they will size you up. If they’re drunk, prepare for a bunch of hollering. Best counter to this is to be physically intimidating and have a great vibe with the girl.
If you build a home on the frontier, or go out with a 10, be ready to fight.
– the constant angry glares coming your way from guys wherever you go because they’re thinking “why is she with HIM? That’s bullshit, she should be with a guy like me…”
– your friends awkwardly hitting on her whenever you bring her out, because she’s social and friendly and they’ve never talked to a girl that hot before so they’re all constantly vying for her attention, bro code goes way out the window
– every single male you guys encounter together blatantly trying to flirt with her (not necessarily WELL, but TRYING). From store clerks trying to hit on her while they bag your groceries to cops letting her get off from tickets to bouncers saying “She can come in, but you have to wait in line” etc. Guys giving her free shit left and right. Most of them are all trying to get in “under the radar” and get on her Facebook or whatever just to “be friends”, and as a social girl she’ll often take their offers of friendship because that’s why she’s a 10 with a million friends in the first place. But we all know every single one of those guys is hoping they can sneak her out to hang out with them and fuck her.
– at bars you get huge drunk AMOG guys (groups of them, at times) physically intimidating you and hitting on her and groping her and shit to try to get her away from you, which is fine if you’re a huge dude who wants to get into fights multiple times a night, but if you’re a normal guy you have to learn to deal with these guys allllll night long. Even if you CAN kick their ass, this’ll happen multiple times in a night every single night you go out, so it’s a fool’s errand to go that route unless you want to eventually end up in jail or with serious injuries when after you beat up the first 9 guys the 10th finally lands a hit on you.
– the irony is that she’ll WANT to go out to bars with you. She’ll want to go out with her girlfriends and dance and shit because she’s a 10 so she’s probably in the 20-25 age range and that’s what they do. She’s willfully oblivious to all of this stuff and convinces herself “they’re just being nice” so any jealousy you show will make you look insecure and help throw her into their arms.
– a lot of guys will actually be super nice to you, but again it’s with an ulterior motive of figuring out their competition and sneaking in under the radar, and you can pick up on that vibe pretty quick (ie – that bartender wouldn’t be giving you those shots on the house if you weren’t with this chick, oh and look he poured her an extra one)
– in bars especially but also in daytime, you’ll run into the rich guys who will literally tell the girl they want to fly her to Paris and they’ll pay for it and everything. Like retarded offers that sound made up, but these guys have the money to do that. That’s part of why the value competition of “who has the tightest 6-pack abs and who has the most money” is silly, you will NEVER EVER WIN THAT. Even if you’re better looking and richer than everyone in your city, you’ll go on vacation to LA with your girl and a celebrity will mack on her. This is also why the really hot girls don’t care about that stuff, they’re surrounded by it so they’re looking for a guy with internal value since most of those guys don’t have it since they base their worth externally. This is why you’ll see smokin hot girls with ugly scrubby loser guys and go “wtf is that shit???” Meanwhile now you’re that guy from my first point staring daggers at that scrubby guy, which is what he has to put up with alllll day every day when he’s with her
– in bars guys will SHOWER her with free drinks, shots, etc. because to them if they get her shit-faced they might have a chance to feel her up and get in her pants or rape her
– super hot girls are used to being able to get away with more drama because no one EVER calls them out on their bullshit, so they’ll test you way more frequently than other girls. They also tend to like drama more because it’s so rare for their world to be unpredictable and scary since everything is handed to them on a silver platter by the world being extremely cautious about daring to offend the princess. So they’ll try to start drama with you just in hopes that they’ll get to feel something other than “being perfect”
– girls and female friends will constantly insult your girlfriend when she’s not around and behind your guys’ backs and call you shallow and imply that she’s a dumb bimbo etc. etc. just out of jealousy so you have negativity on that side too. God forbid if she’s much younger than you and then you get the pedophile jokes on top of it and the implications that you’re taking advantage of this poor naive innocent girl (doesn’t matter if she’s smart as fuck and has degrees and shit)
– she’ll have male orbiters, hundreds of them, from all walks of life, and a ton of them will be better looking, richer, etc. than you but she’ll consider them all her “friends”. They’re alllllll friend-zoned, but they’ll alllllll still TRY to get in her pants. So she’ll go out on what anyone else would call a “date” with them, but she’ll say they’re just “hanging out”, because hell, she gets a free steak dinner and to drive around in a lambourghini, why wouldn’t she want to go “hang out”? You would too if a girl was offering you that shit. She won’t fuck them, but the pangs of jealousy will eat away at your soul every minute she’s not around you. You could cut her off from all her male friends but then you’ll look insecure and controlling and they’ll all make sure to let her know that about you and try to poison her against you so that she’ll break up with you and they can fuck her
– you have way less bargaining posture over her than you do with an average girl because an average girl has maybe a handful of orbiters and they’re all kind of lame compared to you so you have “hand” in the relationship since you can walk and get another girl. But with this girl, you probably can’t get another one as hot as her very easily since they’re rare to begin with especially if you live in a small town, and she has hundreds of amazing guys all lined up if she wants to pull “hand” and you both know this. As long as you have a solid frame and she sees you as higher value than all those guys, you’re fine, but she’s finely tuned to sniffing out low value in men so if you drop the ball at all, she can move on and not give a single fuck
– on top of it, when you’re NOT around her, you don’t know what she’s up to except that every guy around her is hitting on her constantly and trying to fuck her. So she goes on a “girls night out” with her ladies, where you know they’ll be dressed up hot and get all the attention of the room and she’ll be drinking at a nightclub while you’re sitting at home paranoid that she’s going to get fucked by some other guy…and then she legit falls asleep or something when she gets home and forgets to txt you and your last txt from her was at midnight and said “baby im soooo drnk lol!!” and your mind fills in a million disaster scenarios till you hear from her the next afternoon at which point you worry because you have no idea if she was banging a guy all night and kicked him out or what and you know women lie about that shit…remember, all those guys at the bar are showering her with free drinks to try to fuck her
– also, all of the guy’s hitting on her stuff still happens even if you’re claiming your space and have your arm around her, holding her hand, she’s holding onto your arm, etc., this will all still happen…especially when guys are drinking. Guys will have entire conversations just with her as if you don’t exist at all, so you have to either barge your way into the conversation and risk looking insecure or ignore her and walk off and hope that she doesn’t run off with that guy
– god forbid if you end up in something really long-term with her and get married and then all of this is compounded by the fact that if she divorces you she gets half your money, kids, etc.
so ya, there’s a lot of bullshit to deal with. Average girls don’t even understand that hot girls have this sort of lifestyle because they get way less attention and perks. And guys who haven’t dated 10s don’t understand what this is like, they just think “naw I’d keep her at home and she’d just be super hot and I’d be in heaven”.
It’s possible to handle these girls, but you have to have absolutely no insecurity (which is where jealousy stems from) and KNOW, 100%, that you are the highest value male she can get…even if that’s not true objectively or based on external things like looks, money, etc. This is very difficult for most guys to do, so most guys who get 10s will fuck it up within a few months because they can’t keep up with the barrage of tests that’ll come their way from her and the rest of the world and as soon as you cave once she knows there’s chinks in your armor and you’re not as high value as you pretended to be.
This is why ultimately game is to help you learn to BE high value, after you fake it for a while. You eventually become it and it’s internalized and you’re no longer faking it, and that’s where you can handle dating a legit 10.
(side note, a girl who’s super hot isn’t necessarily a 10…girls who are super hot but still insecure or low self-esteem (usually these are the super bratty bitchy girls in clubs) aren’t 10s because they only have the looks not the personality. A legit 10 will be smokin hot and cool as fuck and friendly to everyone around her, which is part of what causes all the trouble I listed lol every guy thinks he’s getting Approach Invites and iois lol)
Wow, yeah, I couldn’t have come up with all of this by myself. I forgot the other counter other than having great game – it’s to go out banging other girls. You’ll be a lot less needy and much more outcome independent around her. I haven’t gotten to the point where I’m pulling in two really hot girls at once but I know it helps tremendously with 7s and whatnot.
Holy Hell.
Be careful what you wish for.
It’s not that bad unless you are stuck with urban club bitches. Beach 10′s are typically foreign, can’t legally drink, and have a different vibe.
Also,
‘A legit 10 will be smokin hot and cool as fuck and friendly to everyone around her, which is part of what causes all the trouble I listed lol every guy thinks he’s getting Approach Invites and iois lol)’
This one area where I completely understand bitch shields from attractive women. Without the shield up all the lesser betas/omegas crawl out of the woodwork and she now has a bonafide stalker.
I have seen this happen to attractive women with bubbly personalities. They are super friendly and giving out false IOIs and all the sudden the creepy overweight lesser beta now has found a pussy oasis in the blueballan desert.
That’s why I never critcize super hot women from putting up bitch shields.
@YaReally
Where did you start out when you first started learning game in terms of the girls you were taking down.
Did you start with the 5s and get the experience/confidence and work your way up or did you just say fuck it and aim much higher and do the fake it until you make it gambit?
Just curious because I see the merits of both strategies and would like to hear your perspective and how you went about it once you started learning.
oh no I fucked some super uggos when I started lol I was a hard case newbie though, I was starting off from a way worse position than most guys. I had never even had female friends in my life, let alone dates or anything like that, and I was in my early 20s. So at the start ANYTHING was amazing success to me.
Now I just honestly can’t get a boner for girls who aren’t a certain level or type of hotness. I have pretty specific tastes both in looks/style and personality type. I like the bitchy loud girls lol, ’cause they’re a challenge and most guys can’t handle those types.
Ironically before I got into game all I wanted was a quiet submissive little asian chick I could be all romantic and cuddle with. But that was because I hadn’t been with any chicks and didn’t know what actually gets me hard or keeps me interested in a relationship.
Ya seems to me that the fact that you started at zero was very beneficial for your trajectory in pick-up.
No real negative dispositions like getting shot down harshly in middle/high-school, no ex-gfs cheating on you or dumping you, no girls friend-zoning you and you cannot understand why. No bitterness, hang-ups or trauma to start out with really.
I’m not sure if I would trade in my positive/negative “references” for your tabula rasa because ultimately they’ve hardened me up and given me experiences I can revert to.
It would be nice to not have future decisions and girls clouded by my past. That’s life though and I’m sure I will get past it if I stick with it. Just saying.
Thanks for the insight all around.
-I.G.
“Ya seems to me that the fact that you started at zero was very beneficial for your trajectory in pick-up.”
Ya, I wouldn’t have believed it at the time, but it all worked out in my favor. I was able to absorb PUA concepts quickly because I didn’t have a lot of “no way, that’s not how it works!!!” or “but I don’t want it to BE like that!!!” notions getting in the way. My thinking was more “Oh, what? THAT’S how it works? Okay, these guys clearly know more than I do so I’ll go try this shit out then!”
Ultimately I had other areas to catch up on (learning to connect with women and see them as more than just for sex, though I’ve got that down now) and I am pretty fucked up when it comes to actual long-term relationships, the concept of being with one person for years and years is completely foreign to me because I never dated before. So those are things I have to work on that most people who went through the normal dating process already have some experience, good or bad, with.
Is it a better trade-off? Hard to say, depends on your goals I guess. I know that if I want to ever settle down and have the white-pickett fence and 2.5 kids and all that, I’m going to have a shit-load of challenges ahead of me compared to a lot of people (like how to stay interested in a girl for more than a few months). But for this period in my life where I like just getting laid and having multiple on-going relationships with the occasional dabble into something more serious, this works out nice for me.
(there IS PUA literature on managing long-term relationships and living with a woman and raising kids with her and stuff and I’ve read a lot of it but I don’t have much interest in actually applying it right now)
You talk a pretty big game, champ, and I find much of your commentary quite insightful. However, this comment leaves me scratching my head about your actual, as opposed to theoretical, prowess. Throughout this detailed post about the pitfalls of dating a 10, you seem to accept a shit ton of bad behavior from these “10s” that I NEVER tolerate from ANY female under my dominion, and yes, I date 8s, 9s, and 10s.
Why don’t you just lay down the laws of what it means to be your bitch, and kick her to the curb if she doesn’t comply? None of your complex observations about 10s ever enter my world (they used to, years ago), because they know it’s forbidden. They either willingly abide by my rules, which I lay down upfront, or they go elsewhere, voluntarily or otherwise.
I find that more than any other principle, the one thing that the really hot bitches all desire is RULES THAT WILL BE ENFORCED WITHOUT PASSION OR PREJUDICE. All the world bends its rules for them, and this creates an ever shifting reality (like the Matrix flicks) for which the female mind is ill equipped. What they really desire is to know that they have secured a FIXED place in the clan, and this social definition is delineated by rules that are enforced, with no consideration given to their beauty.
I see how his elongated post gives you this impression. I could write this up myself given the time and the passion. I still consider my game well above average but far from perfect. I know within a few years I’ll be solid as hell…and when it gets to that point I would not write something like this. But it’s not like these points aren’t true…everyone starts somewhere.
Though your point goes back to what I said, and what is commonly said on this blog, is that you must have the self confidence as a man to dump even the hottest chicks on their ass when you can and move on to another girl. Really I don’t think this can be faked, you have to have the game and self confidence to go out there and be able to pick up some hot girls without too much effort. It takes time to get to that point.
“I know within a few years I’ll be solid as hell…and when it gets to that point I would not write something like this. But it’s not like these points aren’t true…everyone starts somewhere.”
Oh, I get it now. My bad, I didn’t realize I was giving the impression that I put up with all of that stuff or don’t have my own ways of dealing with it or training it out of girls.
No, my post was describing what that intermediate guy who gets his first 10 is going to run into and get gobsmacked by because he completely wasn’t expecting any of it. All of that shit is laughable to me now, but when you date your first 10 you run into it and are like “wait I thought this was supposed to be awesome?? fuuuuuuck
”
I’ve seen a LOT of guys lose a lot of hot girls over the years because they couldn’t get rid of their insecure jealousy and they ultimately sabotaged themselves.
I’m actually partly built without a “jealousy switch” because of how I started out. I never went through the romantic phase of life with puppy-love and all that, I went right from no interactions with women to seeing them from a PUA perspective. So for me women are completely sexual creatures and I view their actions from a pretty cold perspective…if a girl ditches me for another guy I don’t think “what a bitch grrr
” I just think “oh, cool, ya he was doing such and such so of course she’d go to him.” No emotional reaction really…that’s part of what really hot social girls like about me.
I have some 18 year olds in rotation precisely because I’m not jealous of their desire to go clubbing with their friends a night or two per week. In fact, they know that I know I’m funding it and don’t want to be cut off from the weekly $50 allowance (the hottest girls can’t help wanting to be sugar babies). So they tell me they laugh off the many attempts to bed them by other guys. At that young age I’d like to assume they’re just attention whoring. It took me months or at least weeks to get each of them into bed myself so I’d rather not think that other guys are doing it faster.
They know I wouldn’t be attracted to them anymore if they admitted to doing something with another guy. That doesn’t mean it’s not happening. My frame is just that they know I have a small rotation and I want my women to be true to me.
Yep,
Rule n°1: No flirting with other guys.
Rule n°2: If she goes out with her girlfriends, she must be home by 10.
Call me an insecure chump, but I prefer that to being a cuckold. And I dated girls in many categories. Although I don’t really go for the very social types.
I prefer shy girls. They can be pretty damn hot, and they’re way easier to deal with.
You’ve obviously never had a girl who was 8 or above.
That’s cool man, whatever floats your boat. We’re talking about a different type of girl here, is all.
NYC
Don’t be so quick to judge. I know what YR is talking about.
It’s just that I’m maybe more careful about the types of girls I get into ltrs with. It’s obvious that a social butterfly 10 with a flirty vibe will make your life miserable. I had a couple of these (although not the victoria secret model types glorified in here. I’m all about T&A lol)
But even if I ever decided to get “serious” with an extrovert 10, I will try to impose my rules, and if she doesn’t comply, fuck it. She’ll be N°3 instead of being N°1, that’s all.
NYC,
Anon is right. With a strong enough frame you can impose your will on any chick, no matter how hot she is. Now, of course an extrovert 10 will be more difficult than a slightly shy 9, but it all still applies.
Lay down whatever rules you are comfortable with, and if she doesn’t comply, next her. It’s not very hard, and women know you aren’t fucking around if you are firm with your convictions. The only thing I would say is that if your girl abides, you can’t be an asshole who goes out and flirts with every single chick you can right in front of her. Having a 9 follow you around like a puppy dog and not even think about making eyes at another guy is a great feeling and a confirmation of your game.
The thing is 18 year olds mostly really don’t want to be officially tied down. They hottest often want a year or two of the club scene. I’ve seen them reject the serious young alphas their own age who want to control them.
If you live within walking distance of the clubs, you can be their refuge for before and after they hit the scene. Have a well stocked fridge. At that age, their parents are curfewing them to be at least home by midnight or 1AM so they can’t even stay overnight with you. But you will get them drunk at 11PM or you get them wanting money to enjoy the club with at 8PM. In any case they will have lots of stories of other men hitting on them.
They may want you to come with them to the clubs but you can tell them “why would I ever need to go to a club when I get the hottest girls like you coming to me?”
They respect that frame a lot.
You can tell them that you won’t be attracted to them anymore if they ever have sex with another guy. They’ll know their friends might betray them on this if their friends also want to be with you. I may or may not have been effective with this. But I’d honestly stop fucking them if I seriously thought other guys were succeeding. And they know I feel this way.
But this advice probably doesn’t apply to the anglosphere where they have to be 21 just to go to the clubs. In most of the world, women that age are already retiring from that scene and settling down.
Ya really, I agree with most of your post except for one thng. It is not enough to internalize high status and game to get a 10. Life should be that simple. You need some status, some looks, some money or a good deal of one or two of the above. We cannot rely on only Jedi mind tricks. Women need a threshhold level of desireability.
This means we can’t take shortcuts. And we can aspire just to date or marry to our highest ability.
Yareally focuses on attraction. And he’s absolutely right that money, status and looks don’t count… as long as you’re not unbearably ugly or deformed.
But you’re right about relationships. You can’t have a successful long-term relationship with a 10 if you’re not successful, or at least ambitious and “on a mission” like in the 16 commandments of poon.
But still, you can be a rich master of the universe alpha, with a strong frame and game. Your wife can be totally madly in love and some guy like yareally can still fuck her while she is shopping, solely because of attraction.
On the other hand, a loser alpha like Yareally likes to portray himself has higher odds of losing the girl early because she will want security and money or whatever. She could leave him, find a rich beta boyfriend/husband, and still fuck yareally on the side. Again, because of attraction.
“or at least ambitious and “on a mission” like in the 16 commandments of poon.”
This. A girl cares more about your potential than what you have. You can have money, a 6-pack, confidence, and an amazing 6 figure career, but I’ll pit my “walking into a restaraunt where all the staff know me by name and the waitresses flirt with me and the manager comes out to shake my hand and my smokin’ hot ex drops a jealous comment on her way past our table while I tell the girl I’m with all about my ambitious hopes and dreams for the future” against your external shit any day.
“But still, you can be a rich master of the universe alpha, with a strong frame and game.”
The problem is to get the 6-pack and earn the 6-figures, often guys will be working 80+ hour weeks and spending 2 hours a day in the gym. Then they’re driving around in their expensive BMW to get places.
Meanwhile I have no job or do minimal work and I work out once a week, so I have tons of free time, and I have a roommate who parties so I meet people through him, and I ride the public bus or subway so I’m pretty much surrounded by women and people in general to chat up all day long. And when a girl is horny I have a flexible schedule so I’m available at a moment’s notice while the master of the universe has to find time to schedule her in. I can sit around all day txting dirty shit to all the girls on my phone, I’m not a CEO making important calls to Japan.
Which of us is going to have sharper seduction skills?
One of my Natural buddies with no job literally calls up a fuckbuddy, then comes out to the bar to pick up a new one, then bangs that new one and sends her home and comes back to the bar to get another one for last call lol He’s done it a few times. Dude’s sex drive is thru the roof though, legit sex addict. Fascinating to see though. For a while he was working two jobs, he had tons of money but no free time to get laid. He actually quit one of his jobs so he could get pussy again lol
“She could leave him, find a rich beta boyfriend/husband, and still fuck yareally on the side.”
This is basically what happens. I lose fuckbuddies all the time, I call it “boyfriending up”. There’s actually a pattern to when/why/how it happens so I’m usually expecting it. Suddenly I won’t hear from a girl anymore or she’ll start txting less in general or she’ll send a big dramatic “I can’t see you anymore, I’ve met someone…” speech txt lol or she’ll put up LMR when I try to fuck her and then get all dramatic on me. I don’t care at all, I can get other girls and if I want to pursue those particular girls for whatever reason, I can…the way I set the frame up, I’m not a provider at all, so the only reason she’s looking for another guy to be her “boyfriend” is that she wants someone who’ll give her provider shit. To get her all I have to do is start showing provider potential to her.
But I’m actually in favor of them finding guys they can settle down with. If that’s what she’s looking for, and some other guy will provide it, cool, best of luck to them both, there are other girls for me. I don’t need to hog the ones that want more than I’m offering, I back off completely and let the other guy have them.
But inevitably they either come back (since I’m a good fuck and the other guy usually has no game and she gets bored) or they keep my number “just in case…” and I get a txt when they’re drunk/horny etc. God forbid I run into them out at a bar or something, if their guy isn’t there it’s pretty much a done deal that we’ll fuck. Hell, even if their guy IS there, I can flirt with her subtly behind his back or right in front of him because the connection is already there from before. My above-mentioned Natural buddy does the same thing all the time.
“I have a boyfriend now!”
“lol of course you do…(proceed as normal, to sex)”
She won’t break up with him, but I’ll be the guy on the side that she’s using his money to buy sexy lingerie for.
Killer writeup. Unfortunately, all true. The doorman sayin, “She can come in, but you have to wait in line.” — obviously borne of experience.
Who cares though? If you’re bitch would actually go in without you are either lacking serious game or you’re a supplicating beta bitch who would wait around hoping to get in just to have a slim chance at sniffing her pussy later that night.
This exact scenario happened when I went out with 5 SEC sorority girls in NYC. I had already fucked one when on spring break and all of them loved me. Bouncer tried to toss this line out and all of the girls started giving him shit, especially the one I fucked. If they didn’t I simply would leave and go find some randoms (I’m in NYC, pussy is everywhere).
I dated one “10″ in my life. One or two 9′s maybe, but only one 10. She was a working model for the best (or one of them) agency.
Everywhere you went people would gravitate to her. It was a spectacle. Servers would get nervous. People were honored to be near her.
She created drama you could write a book about. I had a sense of what “game” was at the time, but eventually I got too close to the sun and her tests too twisted.
THIS. And YaReally’s post too.
I dated an Elite model for about two months. She was 31, but her hair, face, and figure were 21. She was a 10, thru and thru.
I landed her with a cocky bet about how long it would be before she would let me fuck her. (My guess: Two weeks. Reality: Two hours.)
Still, I couldn’t hold onto her because of the shit tests. Like H says, it really wasn’t worth it. She was mediocre in the sack, and the number of men who hit on her WHILE SHE WAS ON MY ARM was maddening.
Moral: An 8 is the sweet spot, especially one who grew up in a cave and doesn’t know that she’s an 8.
Well said, YaReally.
Agree it generally is not worth it. It is not her fault, but with the whole world after her she is going to go crazy and test everyone’s limits. And these limits will stretch to grotesque proportions. Theft, betrayal, capital crimes.
8′s that are smart and fun to be around are better prospects for virtually anyone. Given the freedom women have here to do whatever makes them feel good, 10s are powder kegs. Imagine having kids with one and just waiting for the day for her to tell you she is bored and needs to move on because she is not fulfilled and needs someone different.
“It is not her fault”
That’s the main thing to remember. In a way I actually feel bad for some of them. Imagine if you couldn’t go ANYWHERE without fat gross toothless women hitting on you CONSTANTLY. Ya, getting some free shit would be cool here and there at first, but for the most part not only would you have to develop ways to get them to fuck off, but you’d also be frustrated because with them surrounding you all the time the super hot chick across the room who you WANT to fuck and who WANTS to fuck you, won’t come over and say hi.
It’s like celebrities who can’t escape the paparazzi and who will never experience having privacy again. It’s sad in a way.
Funny story. I was with my Pops in the city last week. He was looking for a particular store. I noticed this 6-foot 10 with long, black, straight hair walking with a shorter 6 behind us, so I asked them if they knew where this store was. So odd, but in that split second I thought to myself how this hot girl probably thinks my question was a typical pickup attempt, so I decided to keep 99% of my eye contact on her shorter friend during the interaction, basically ignoring her. I figured I’m not banging the 10 so I might as well have a bit of fun(even if only in my own mind) with her. The next day, I saw this 10 across the street and she smiled at me. I smiled back and went on walking. I can’t help but imagine what I did had an effect. Fuck it if it didn’t. I had fun with it.
Exactly. So please help spread the word: Keep the negs to a minimum with sixes. Please? We already know we’re “Gentlemen’s C’s” and don’t need to be reminded.
A while ago I was waiting at a bar for my friends to join me for dinner (I’d gotten there ridiculously early) and Sumdood struck up a conversation with me. He said something funny, I laughed, I said something funny back…and then:
“Those child-bearing hips of yours almost make up for how small your tits are.”
I’d have been less shocked, hurt, and furious if he’d slapped me across the face. I generally don’t give the Finger in public because I think it’s trashy, but in this case I made an exception.
That’s not a neg, that’s just creepy.
Maybe it wasn’t. But I later asked a male friend of mine why somebody would say something so vicious to me when I’d been nothing but polite and friendly to him, and that was his suggestion…that it was a neg.
a neg is a backhanded compliment. what goes through a girl’s mind when a guy negs her is ‘thanks, that was a nice thing to say. wait……what did he really mean by that?’
It can be interpreted as a neg by a newbie because it was clearly an attempt to lower your value. The purpose of a neg is just that, and even that guy wanted to kick you out of the pedestal. Except he was clumsy about it and downright rude.
To qualify as a neg, the line must be smooth and fly under the radar. It must also keep plausible deniability.
Lots of examples online. The neg is a subtle art, and the line tried on you definitely doesn’t qualify.
He’s just a jerk. I’d have walked away from him after I gave him the finger.
after I gave him the finger.
Eric von Zipper Himalayan Suspension Technique game?
so did you bang him or not
Of course she did… women love jerks.
Giving the finger is trashy… especially in a woman.
I agree, but sometimes it’s called for. The only reason I may not have done it in this case, is because I wouldn’t want him to get angry. I probably would have just tried to get away from him. There are a lot of men like him, and they are best ignored.
Hmm… an ass man, not a tit man. Don’t know if I’d trust that.
Yep, hot chicks require the best game, shit test the hardest, have the highest sense of entitlement…it’s all been said a million times on this blog. They are also by in large the most socially savvy because of all the dudes who have thrown their game at her in the past. The reward is sweet for gaming these girls but it can be a pain in the ass, especially if she’s an attention whore (and a whore in general) and you know all the other guys in the room would gladly fuck the girl you’re with – and are more likely to think that they have a shot because of her flirty nature.
All of this said, every guy who is out there needs the experience. Hot chicks will keep your game the tightest by their very nature and will make lesser women that much easier to bang. When I started getting hotter chicks I realized much more about the game – such as the fact that guys (and girls – but girls don’t interlope unless she’s a cock block) know when your game is tight with the girl you’re with because of the vibe you have with her – and they react to this instinctively and almost always will look elsewhere.
“every guy who is out there needs the experience. Hot chicks will keep your game the tightest by their very nature and will make lesser women that much easier to bang.”
Agreed. I like these girls for that reason (plus they’re hot lol). The challenge toughens you up and hones your game. Part of why I have no problems handling AMOGs and taking girls off most of the rich good-looking club guys is because I’ve been with girls where I had to do that constantly. The guys who are like “I’d punch a guy if he hit on my girl in front of me” are guys who haven’t been with a 10 because they don’t understand just how many guys they’d have to be punching (it’d be like that old Kung Fu arcade game) and all the social dynamics involved in being around a 10s social circle. She would ditch you if you went around taking swings at her social circle of “friends” who are “just being nice” (since she convinces herself they don’t want to fuck her and are just being nice since she doesn’t actually WANT to fuck them but she wants to be able to accept all the free shit and attention guilt-free). Mystery Method is actually solid studying for dating a 10 (no surprise, that was the purpose of it) because it’s very non-aggressive and shows you how to handle a lot of the problems I mentioned in a friendly and social but higher value than everyone else way. It’s very subtle and a 10 needs a guy like that to handle her “world”.
“know when your game is tight with the girl you’re with because of the vibe you have with her – and they react to this instinctively and almost always will look elsewhere.”
Yep. One way to see how high value a guy is is to look at how other people in the room are reacting to him, especially the hot girls.
Ultimately if you’re extremely confident and high value and a guy hits on your girl, she’ll be friendly to him and even take #s and stuff just to not be rude, but she’ll be clinging to your arm or looking around for you and the guy will get a wall in front of him where if he’s not a socially inept aspie, he’ll realize he has no shot because she’s too into you. He might still TRY because she’s hot enough to be worth trying against impossible odds, but he’ll get the “keep you at arms length” politeness that a hot celebrity would give you if you ran into them at a bar. Like “hey I’ll be nice but seriously this isn’t gonna happen sorry
”
Are you for real?You sound like some sex starved 20yo ectodoofus from Podunk.
Okay, you evidently have your own method for training them to abide by your rules. It seems to me from this comment that you achieve that through indirect means. I can respect that. In the interest of complete explanation for the other readers, I just do it directly, by explaining to them the rules required for being in my life.
I submit to the readership that this approach works for 10s, as well as it would work for 6s and 7s. I suppose it comes back to the whole direct vs. indirect spectrum. I go direct on every facet of human relationships — just works more efficiently for me… but for that worldview to work, you’ve got to be willing to walk away, at any given moment. There are six billion humans on the planet, and half of them are bitches. That’s a lot of bitches.
“It seems to me from this comment that you achieve that through indirect means. I can respect that.”
ya, sorry for the e-Peen jokes, I didn’t realize my intial post wasn’t clear.
I always prefer the indirect way because I have really wide boundaries. My rules are way more tolerant than most guys because I just don’t care. I have other girls, I can get other girls, and I have other shit to do with my time so if a girl “disrespects” me it’s like shrug, okay, now you don’t get to hang out with me until you smarten up. It’s her loss, not mine.
“I just do it directly, by explaining to them the rules required for being in my life.”
Ya, this works, I don’t disagree, I’m just really chill and laid back as a person. If you cause a scene at my party I won’t bitch you out and lecture you, I’m not your dad, you just won’t get an invite to my next party, ya know?
Some guys get off on lecturing a chick and being like “hah, I showed HER!!!” I just can’t work up the energy to give enough of a shit to do that lol
Some guys will run into a dude who talks smack to them and punch them out. Some guys will just shrug and walk away to hang out with someone else. Both ways end the interaction. I like the indirect route because it causes less negative vibes around me, I don’t like drama in my life.
I kind of get what you’re talking about. If you truly don’t give a shit and have really wide boundaries, then more power to you. I’m very territorial, it’s in my DNA, and while I’ll next a girl quickly, I will lay the ground work and see if she is worthy.
I completely understand that hot girls I’m with will get attention, but that doesn’t mean they have to reciprocate. Personally, dealing with that behavior isn’t worth it to me, but I see where you are coming from.
“I always prefer the indirect way because I have really wide boundaries. My rules are way more tolerant than most guys because I just don’t care.”
Assuming that you really developed yourself from zero to hero, I respect you… but you’re not perfect. We’re all works in progress.
I say this not to attack you, but for the men who look to your commentary. Having “really wide boundaries” and just not caring, is diametrically opposed to the reality of visceral manhood. It may be a good strategy when dealing with poon, but it is most definitely NOT a good strategy when dealing with life, and it is most definitely NOT a strategy that is good for the men in the trenches at your shoulder. THE defining characteristic of manhood is CARING. Women have babies sucked out of their uterus by vacuum tubes, precisely because they DON’T care. And they know this. A man who CARES is precisely the quality of masculine energy that a 10 wants to devote her life to (as opposed to dalliance), because they desire CARING, caring about one’s clan, about something worthy of their 10 status, something that is not inherent to their feminine being. The yin to the yang, and all that. This, above all else, is what the 10s seek. And, in the face of potential rejection, it takes considerable courage to express that, especially to a 10.
So, to the readers, listen to YaReally. He spits a great deal of truth, but know that he’s on his own individual path. Don’t follow him over the edge, into oblivion.
I’m a big fan of what you are talking about. Sorry YaReally, but no chick I’m with is giving the time of day to some other guy, let alone exchanging numbers. I regard myself as too high value, and that is an insta-ban for even the hottest chicks. I also don’t beat around this fact.
If I am dating a girl or she is my gf, then she is MINE, and I make it known. If they are not cool with that, they are completely free to walk, as I couldn’t give two shits. If I’m sacrificing variety to be with one girl, she sure as hell better abide because if not I’ll find another 3 chicks that want to take her place. I pretty much take the female agenda and flip the script, though I’m able to back it up. Pussys are never wetter than when you lay down the law.
Seems hot chicks are best for physical relationships,not serious love. Does that embitter the HC?
OT: Piff the Magic Dragon… magician exhibits tight game. He completely wins over the crowd in spite of (because of??) his assholeness:
I was window shopping and came across an OKCupid profile where a woman said, at the end, something like “And don’t try that Neil Strauss shit on me. It won’t work.”
She’s in the 8-9 category, so I thought this might merit an email to you. What do you do when a woman is onto game. I’ll send you info if you’re interested.
Run game anyway. If she catches on, you move on the next one.
Post profile here.
lol E-Mail her “hey, I can only stay for a minute and then I have to get back to my friends, but I need a female opinion: who do you think lies more, men or women?
Did it work? Are you dying to jump my bones? Wait, let me try page 38, there’s a really good one about how I’m supposed to make fun of your hair…”
That’s pretty damned clever I have to admit. And it just might work. I should mention this is someone I might not want to be in touch with because at one point she wrote “I am a feminist.”
I didn’t notice that at first, as I was too busy reading the survey questions about her perverted sex life and checking out her pics.
Send it and let us know if she responds. I figure if she reads it she’ll have to respond because it’s purposely poking her buttons. I would just make fun of the whole thing if she responds and lead it into stuff like “well shit, I guess I’ll just have to try having a normal conversation with you and do that whole “get to know you and actually take an interest in you” thing…god, dating is so much work these days! I’m pretty sure the pickup book would tell me to just invite you to my sex dungeon, but how about we try a cup of coffee sometime instead lol”
And then do her in the bum.
Dude, don’t worry about the feminist thing. A lot of smart girls will adopt that label de rigueur but when you actually discuss HBD or game with them, are very open and even agree with you. Some few girls actually do think divorce laws are garbage, men get a raw deal, etc. But they can’t bring themselves to reject the label. Also, it’s always the feminists (whether left-stripe or evo-psych friendly) who want to be dominated and like strong men the most. So game away.
I’d just stop after the first paragraph.
write her and say “Neil Strauss shit? the dude that writes for Rolling Stone?”
Well, I just saw like 9 10′s in my whole life… Just finding them is difficult I think.
This one is right up your alley..
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/09/boys-on-the-side/309062/?single_page=true
“Some women had fake boyfriends, whom they considered sub–marriage quality. “I don’t want anyone else to influence what I do after I graduate.”
this is about B-school. B-school girls are unfailingly high-T, career-oriented, and ugly as shit – not to mention they have substantial ratio odds (good B-schools skew heavily male, and women get enormous AA boosts). B-school guys at my institution of higher education used to come to the law school to pick up girls as a better alternative. that alone should tell you what reality they were mired in.
I will not go so far as to say that 5 minutes with a 10 is better than 5 years with an 7-8. But I will state without hesitation that a couple of hours with a 10 is pretty dam fine even when you know how it will end.
Hell yes. lol
Making out with a 9 is better than banging 10 7s.
My dad put an interesting spin on this theme when he was giving my young self a talk about women.
“Son, I’ve dated some very, very pretty women. (he was a musician in the 70s, so it’s not surprising). Now, your mother is pretty, don’t get me wrong, but she is no supermodel. You don’t want to marry a model, trust me. You’re always looking over your should and putting up with shit from guys either checking her out or who want to steal her. Ain’t worth it.”
Father Knows Best.
The way I see the matter, there are two quite distinct types of 20 something 10s. The first just goes with the nearly limitless opportunities that are rushing at her like a firehouse without much deep thinking slowing anything down. She likes being invited to S. Berlusconis “House Parties” and never much liked
wearing underwear anyway.
She takes the rewards without second guessing and by her straight-ahead, high end slutiness she has a decent chance of landing on a celebrity cock like Harry – Prince of Poontang – long enough to get rich from the follow-on reality TV show. And maybe and then turn that prize into a wealthy husband-for-a-while.
Regardless what happens next in this deranged faiytail of slutness by 10ish girls the girls with enjoy most everything that happens.for years and years .
But imagine a solid 10 who is plenty smart enough to figure out from high school at least that if she contiunues to work out and eat right she will almost always be the best looking worman in whatever room she is in for the next few decades her life. Except she REALLY enjoys her elite career.and was raised, on all the main points , in the way of the 19th century. Horses before school-was the rule . Late to date, and may have been heard to say, “I know I am beautiful, but I will not be forever. So, like, what at the end of the day can I really get out of this.?
Behold the event horizon; behold the Singularity. A Woman who is conscious. First, you buy her a first class handgun and carefully train her to use it; all the while knowing that you are answering a good question; just not the one she asked.
Remember guys….Beauty is fleeting, but Pain in the Ass is forever !
The other thing to take note is that beautiful women tend not to make good moms – they are generally too narcisstic/self absorbed and love competing with their own children (whom we all know are born attention seekers) for attention !
Corral that hamster, cowgirl!
I am starting to learn game. I am not really good at it. When I approach a 10 it seems so unnatural and forced and nothing comes out of it. Should I still approach 10s at the moment? or move gradually from 6s to 7s to 8s….
Heh. A write-up about a study that shows that multiple sexual partners in women causes, (not correlates with but causes), an increased risk for divorce.
http://socialpathology.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/more-promiscuity-data.html
Actually scratch that, it should be; an increased risk for divorce in women with multiple sex partners is caused by having had those multiple sex partners rather than as the result of women who are prone to divorce selecting to have multiple sexual partners.
Great post CH. I would guess that many of your long time viewers like myself are looking to graduate to the next step – 9s and 10s. Any more posts on game techniques aimed aimed at hot chicks are appreciated!