If you can’t handle getting rejected ten times successively by ten different girls, you aren’t ready for the Game.
It happened to me, once. Over three weeks, I tried and failed to close ten girls. Tough sledding, to be sure. But I stayed outside my head, and never allowed it to get to me (beyond a post-rough patch recollection of the numbers of girls involved while telling the tale to friends).
No womanizer who’s worth his colloquial designation would fold after ten successive rejections. Maybe he’d muse on his streak of bad luck, but he’d never question his desirability to women. That’s the kind of knee-jerk emotional spasm reserved for blubbery beta males riven with self-doubt after ONE rejection.
You’ll know you’ve achieved Rod Emperor status when failed pickups leave no more impression on your psyche than failed lottery tickets.
After that three-week twat trough, the fourth week shone its labial light upon yours unruly: three numbers, two makings of the love.
He persisted, and she submitted.
To get a fuck, don’t give one.
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Sadly, no makings of the children.
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How can this stupid cunt not bow at my feet
[CH: don’t harsh the mellow, fag.]
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” That’s the kind of knee-jerk emotional spasm reserved for blubbery beta males riven with self-doubt after ONE rejection.”
Yup. And most guys just don’t open enough women… 2 or 3 opens a night and they want a small statute made… when your game is developing you need to open 20+ women a day, minimum.
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20+ women a day?! Whoa…I definitely need to, ahem, step up my game.
And while I’m making excuses, I’m not in an area that has women worthy of my efforts, but I guess that’s only holding me back.
The thing is, I’m a “selective” gamer and usually depending on which way the wind blows. I’m trying to harness that to always be on, so to speak. Cause when my jovial charisma shines through, I know it makes an impact.
You could say I’m one of those “needs to be in my element” type guy or “an environment I know”. I’m definitely working on getting outside my comfort zone and I know I can, but if I don’t get my mindset right, I’ll talk myself out of it.
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Your talking about “being in state” which is a common game concept, and a crutch. You “get” in state by acting, not waiting on your feelings. A few early opens – just ask some basic questions, comment on the night etc. ZFG you are just warming up… move on. Then keep upping your intensity and focus as the night goes on…
He persisted…
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some basics Mendo
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Will check them out. Thanks, Sentient.
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Sometimes you gotta get out of your element to get into it. For me, when I’m back home my skills, or rather mental propensity to open, takes a hit. Put me in a new city or country. It’s on like Donkey Kong. I’ll approach any girl, not giving a fück. The sense of being intriguing and exotic when in forreign lands certainly helps the frame.
Sometimes you need some inspiration to meet with circumstances. Case in point, I was going thru the airport security checkpoint of all places, ya know where you have to take off your belt, etc. Well, they were being real pricks and frisking, patting down a lot of people. As I fill up the tray with my watch and keys and slide it down the rollers to the X-ray, what should I see behind me but quite a lovely looking blonde Russian woman, very well put together, but probably 35 so keep going about my business.
I walk thru the scanner and they still insist on frisking me. I look over and they’ve done the same to the Russian. She’s sitting down, one nude-stockinged leg crossed over the other, pumps kicked off to the floor. *ping*. “So, looks like we’re both in trouble tonight.” Wink. Wink. Grin. She starts smiling and gets friendly. We go to collect our personal effects once they’ve come thru the scanner and I strike up conversation. Going well. Then for whatever reason I don’t number close. Various rationalizations processed in 2 seconds: she lives in another country, different flights, 35 and not 25. Not worth the effort. Short while later notice her in another passport line checking me out. So I get thru exit control and decide I’m going to walk up to her gate and number close. No sign of her at the gate. End of story. But at least I gave her a little encounter to tingle about on her flight.
As a late relative used to say, women are like buses. You miss one, there’s another one coming in 20 minutes.
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“Then for whatever reason I don’t number close.”
not so long ago people didn’t have phones. yet somehow they still found ways to roll in the hay. then again, there weren’t airports either, where lots of random encounters are instantly possible.
point is, forget the number formality and find a pile of hay. so to speak.
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open 20+ women a day, minimum
Hell, even in my salad days I never saw that many women in one day that I’d even want to talk to, let alone bed.
How’s THAT for ZFG? kekekekekekekek
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I’d exhaust the town’s supply of non-blubbery land whales in two weeks.
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That’s kind of what I was thinking actually.
Not really that many quality women around, especially if you actually want a serious relationship/marriage+bunz N oven and all that.
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Move.
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Same here.
Keeping it to women who are worth a serious relationship and not just a night of the kek cuts it down even further.
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I agree, although in my case I suck at those “opens”. I am not shy at all, and had never trouble making friends, but I can’t handle empty banter. I just run out of shit to say.
In my view, the manosphere focuses too much on the “attitude” aspect (coolness, ZFG, confidence…) while neglecting the ‘work’ aspect.
I have had very little success with women and I suspect it has a lot to do with my laziness rather than my character. I am pretty sociable, well-read, could talk for hours and have done so with complete strangers many times. But I am a risk-adverse person who can’t be bothered with things that are uncertain or unlikely.
I can easily delay gratification, but only for sure things; for instance, in language learning, because I know that in the end I would have learnt something.
And no, I don’t lift. Maybe that’s the key, who knows. It bores me. What I know for a fact it that the “don’t worry, it will happen when you less expect it” piece of advice is rubbish. Things don’t happen on their own.
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I’ve found the key to be: take nothing a woman says seriously, and return all of her shit-test volleys in the playful manner that they were intended. Women are empty vessels, bored with life, and looking for anything to fill her void. The void she can’t acknowledge in our modern world is the empty belly and lack of children. She doesn’t care whether she’s being made happy or sad or angry: truth be told she’s unsatisfied if she doesn’t have a little of all of those. But she needs someone else to give her something to fill her life.
Women were made to rear children. Children are unpredictable, self-serving, and they never stop. You can’t overload a woman with too much unpredictability. You CAN underload with too little (I haven’t heard a sound from the baby in a half hour. Something’s wrong. I haven’t heard a word from my man at all today. Something’s wrong).
Your woman, quite literally, doesn’t care about the conversation that you’re having with her. All she cares about is how she feels. That’s what she’ll remember. None of the words, all of the emotion.
Save your interesting conversations for Men. When you’re talking with women, be playful, be light, give her emotions that she can remember, don’t take her seriously (she’s not), and just be the Man that fills her empty, meaningless life with warmth. Not kindness: warmth. Don’t be nice; tease her, so you both laugh.
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Vindication of Vox and Chateau:
Revealed: This ONE factor is the biggest giveaway that your partner will cheat (and it’s all about how much you both earn)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4374842/This-ONE-factor-giveaway-partner-cheat.html
[CH: the daily mail is the world’s newspaper of record.]
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Persistence is YUGE. I basically stalked my GF at her place of work as part of the seduction process. Most beta faggots would think it’s too creepy or are just too pussy to even consider doing what I did. It might shatter their ID to hear that my persistence is what my GF, in her own words, said made me stand out from the rest and let her knew I was serious. Real men pick their targets and pursue them, faggots only know how to appear available hoping a girl chooses them.
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“Real men pick their targets and pursue them…”
Picked one 3 decades ago, got it. Married it. She works, I stay on mission at home educating and raising my remaining over half dozen children.
It works for us.
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There is something to be said about that old school alpha technique.
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No is just a shit test.
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Opening is practically second nature. I often don’t even realise I’m doing it.
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How’s your closing ?
Because that’s what really matters.
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I’ve never calculated my conversion rate but as my notch count is above average I would assume it would be above average as well.
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Equal Pay Day: Ann Coulter says ‘I’ll happily take 69 cents on the dollar, if I never have to pay for dinner’
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[…] The Alpha Attitude, Recapped: “He Persisted” […]
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An important milestone I passed recently myself. Got shot down on a number close, which rarely happens, but left me feeling oddly satisfied, even bolstered, because ZFG.
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Even if you approach and get shot down, you should be happy that you have the balls to approach in the first place. The only approaches you should regret are the ones you don’t do, especially if you see a girl who is exactly your type.
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a skilled alpha won’t be getting rejected much because he’s not giving women anything to reject. his intentions won’t be so obvious.
also, he’s already staked out his quarry and merely has to wait for her to realize that there’s no escape, not does she want to.
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the only time I’ve faced lots of rejection is when I had no business interacting with ANYONE because I was overworked and sleep-deprived and would have had better luck hitting on walking dead chicks because they were about the same energy level.
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a guy who opens lots of girls eventually comes to develop his bob-and-weave skills. staying just out of her reach. just as she’s about to say “er… sorry..I have a boyfriend” he’s already pointing out that she seems different from other girls because she doesn’t fuss over keeping up her eyebrows.
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another way to say this, if you’re clearly measuring her up how can she reject you? that would be like walking into a job interview and telling the potential employer a few minutes in “sorry I already have another job”. (heavy emphasis on the MEASURING part. a guy with something to offer takes very careful measurements)
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Top shelf neg with the eyebrow line
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I was in the closet wrapping a printer cord around my neck when a job call came in. My problem was “oneitis” over a gig within walking distance of my crib. Could come home and take a nap most days. They had called me in and I gave my pitch but blew it at the end by bragging about my illustrious ancestors. This always happens. You spend an hour talking about yourself to get the contract and then when the pressure is off at the end you pop off like a babbling fool with some inane comments that snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I will try to be more circumspect in the next interview.
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In my younger days I was rejected by 20 women for every success. It was hard on the ego, especially back in the 80’s when there wasn’t any forum to bandy red pill ideas about.
My two up and coming lads will just shirk off the rejection and keep on gutting trout… the biggest lesson of game is that rejection is normal, and not personal.
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80’s theme song
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definitely a useful thing to bring up. A lot of what’s out there doesn’t mention anything about failures that will happen. Also, I’d be curious if anyone has ever had strangers try to interfere, like I am thinking men that try to heroically save a lass from the evil man trying to chat her up.
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Lol. WKs are everywhere… Even guy bartenders will come over when they see one of their regular girls getting all DDB eyed at you and mention her boyfriend… “hey… I saw your boyfriend out the other night, tell him I said hey.”
I love it. It tells you all you need to know. And be discrete on the extract…
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Countless times. The busybody is always malevolent.
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The key to success is to get up one more time than you fall.
Say it. Learn it. Live it.
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my dad said successful people are those who are too stupid too know they are beaten
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Moses knew the power of persistence.
Which is just my coy-but-true way of sharing the very first item listed when I search “children’s books” under Books at amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Our-Family-Haggadah-Asher/dp/0692350144/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1491326131&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=children%27s+books&psc=1
I guess it’s what children wanna read, rite? lozlz
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— except that’s weird because it says right there on the book’s page that its sales rank is #3491 just in “Children’s Books” (#8934 in Books overall).
Oh well, must be some funny algohickie thingie or something . . . .
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Oh it’s (((sponsored))). How unjust of me!
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They so schmart and we so jelly!
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only 10 girls?
You must be above average in looks CH.
[CH: ten rejections from ten girls during a three week jag. and no positive hits with other girls to balance it out. just one heiswoman after another.]
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Every ‘no’ is one step closer to a ‘yes.’
Keep going.
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Nice. I like that.
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new jack city dude says
””””New jack city. Had my Jimmy waxed everyday last wk. ”””””””
how naive hollywood was back then lol
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My favorite line from that movie: shit your $5 ass before I make change.
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HAHA..oops…it’s “sit your $5 ass…”
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lol it did impact real life
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but they had to deal drugs to have sex 7 days a week is the weak part that is hillarious
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ex texts yea when dont answer cause asleep hampster plays game for you::::::
im bout to be at your door
ex unless you dont want me there brought you the food though
so are you coming to the door
lol i didn’t think you really wanted me to come back u just wanted to see if i would i guess is that it
let me get a cigerette please
are you gonna take the food and give me a cigerette or what greg
dont text or call me anymore ok and i won’t you
good bye
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not gonna lie thogh i texted this bitch like 200 texts over last few days she still in my head and those dam letters lol
i didn’t tell her come back to stay though she keeps trying
got another letter yesterday
told ex she should be writing greeting cards
well she did put a couple posters together one with pictures of sunsets i took that made my pretty much vegetable mom cry when they were put up on wall so the ex does have some skill
my whole living room was covered in i love you posters and pics pretty neat wallpaper your own pics and drawings and such
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she told me and ex ex she be right back though at like 11 didn’t text that till 3 lol
so wtf she was bullshittin
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idk but i do wish you happiness though no matter what i am always gonna have greg tattooed on my shoulder””””’
two chicks with me name on em forever i guess
not too bad
now should i have em both put on face i don’t have the balls he he he
yea exex didn’t cover it up for the new boyfriend either even though he wanted her too
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datin a chick with a big fucking greg on her neck that must of sucked
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tats kind of cool amog every dude that chick ever gets with and you ain’t even there
ex ex did cover up the husbands name though
dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
dammmmmmmmmmmmmm
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I am a student on a large college campus–i.e., no shortage of 18-22yo pussy. Usually, I have no trouble closing. Last spring, I–no joke–got passed on 10 times in one day. The next day, I fucked this cutie (with some of the nicest tits you’ve ever seen) 20 minutes after opening at a nearby park. My attitude never changed between days.
There is no good reason to be butthurt, if a lass cannot see your worth. It’s a detriment and will eat your soul. Keep on truckin’. Keep on fuckin’.
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Yeah but your on a college campus, they did a study once had a bunch of guys ask gals out on college campus.
Just said they found them attractive and would like to go on a date with them basically.
It had a slightly greater than half success rate.
Factor in how many of the ladies were also probably “already” in relationships and if your college student on a campus your odds of getting laid go up.
Hell; had a family member who did the college dorm thing and they said you basically have to be “trying” not to get laid.
That easy as compared to normal life.
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I’ve always practiced extreme abundance tactics…I’m never WITHOUT a woman to handle my physical needs.
While spinning plates, I recruit & replace constantly…culling the herd based on least amount of headaches relative to best sex skills.
the word, “no” means nothing to me bc if she can’t see “it,” then move on.
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lol
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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The last time I was on the market, I’d open every girl I came in contact with that I found attractive enough to care, but I didn’t push for any form of resolution. It was just playful banter with any woman who could banter back. I was entertaining myself in doing so, but the end result was lots of bright eyes focused on me.
Chicks love playful banter. Banter for the sake of bantering, tease them so you both laugh, and they’ll melt in your hands.
After that, just keep it going.
The other side is when I’m not in the mood to laugh or banter. That’s a pussy drier upper right there.
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playfull banter is how i almost always get free shit at food places etc.
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Heh. Pre-red pill, I scored a second full-meal on an airline once, just by being “friendly”. I didn’t stop to consider what had happened until after I learned game.
A second meal. On an airline. On a crowded flight, every seat taken. There must have been one empty seat, and I got that meal, because those things are usually counted up to account for weight. Nevertheless, the girl was so taken by my attitude, she didn’t hesitate to go look and see if there was a second meal still available.
We’re not talking about someplace with some privacy either. To her, I was the only man on the plane.
And it still took me another 8 years to swallow the red pill.
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I knew I had achieved “Rod Emperor” status when I bumped into a girl I had banged for a few weeks about a year after we parted ways. I didn’t recognize her right away. She said “Don’t you remember me?!” I stared at her a few seconds, then it came back.
After the interaction I thought “damn that’s pretty cool”. In my old thirsty days that would never, ever happen.
As Stalin once said, “Quantity has a quality all its own.”
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Based Jordan Peterson on the subject:
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I am seeing that guy everywhere recently.
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Hey CH, in need of some assistance, I’m a little stuck. Fast re-cap; solid 8 hottie meet n closed in a party 2 weeks ago, last thursday, went on a date, she ”missed” her train back to Amsterdam, stayed over, had a lovely bang, went away in the morning. How do I get her on a 2nd date, she’s a bit of a mcflakster..
Started FB convo after posting pic of Scott Eastwood, cause she asked what men I think are sexy, whatever, this is what follows;
(scott eastwood pic)
She; I get what you mean
The jaw and beard are life
Me: Now that I have your attention, when can we get down to the serious business of making fun of you 🙂
She; Making fun of me? :0
Start right away I’d say
Me: I only use my A material in person
She:With what perpose? 😏
Purpose
Compliments work better to get me into bed
Me: littlespoon doesn’t make the rules
She;Which rules 👅
Me:Yeah.. makes you kinda curious, don’t it?
She:Not even gonna lie
Me; good 😈
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So having started out in the manosphere I eventually (and naturally) landed in the alt-right. I have noticed a duality of messaging to alpha males which seem largely incompatible, a duality I think Roosh was struggling with the last time a checked in with him 9ish months ago. The alpha male in the manosphere is meant to be a slayer of many pussies but once metamorphosed to the ultimate alt right pinnacle of male existence, he is meant to father many white babies. How do these two competing concepts resolve their inherent exclusivity, especially when fathering many babies to many women is recognized, appropriately, as being destructive to the then (at least partially) fatherless children. Is it possible to make the transition from player to father? And more importantly to the survival of the species, can players make good fathers? Or are beta’s to be charged with the preservation of the white race being known to make good fathers (but terrible husbands which leaves them susceptible to divorce rape and court ordered fatherlessness, thus defeating the who point of leaving the fathering up to the beta’s.) My feeling is its all well and good to sow the wild oats and solidify their alphatude, but we must also not remain silent on the responsibility of the alpha male to populate and properly father large broods of white children
[CH: cooperative beta males led by courageous alpha males build civilization. it will help you square the circle if you think of the lessons taught here as tools for beta males to become better, more confident men, in all realms of life. this won’t necessarily mean empowered betas turn into seed-sowing cads, but giving them the upper hand — or at least saving them from a perpetual losing hand — in dating and all else will enlarge their scope of options and make them more desirable to women, which in the long run is a good thing, because satisfied lovers tend to be satisfied wives and satisfied mothers.]
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That is more or less how I have squared it in my mind. I was never an alpha but certainly since being divorce raped and coming through the manosphere to the alt-right, I now have both skills and knowledge to be a better lover and father. I think it definitely needs to be more explicit that not every Beta will be a pussy slaying Alpha nor should that be their goal. Rather packaging “game” skills as exactly that– a skill set used to become a better man rather than to become an alpha seed slinger will broaden the appeal and the applicability of those skills and won’t make men who use them with sub-hearteastean mastery feel in adequate. Kudos to the Château for spreading the word. I bet there are a lot of guys lurking here who are comfortable being better men as a result of what they learned here in the shadows, who know they will never be alpha shit lords but will no doubt be better lovers husbands and fathers as a result of what are often promoted as tactics to becoming an alpha. Attaining alphahood is not necessary to be a successful man, especially for those of us who have very strong paternal drives.
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Actually that last sentence should read “attaining playerhood is not necessary to be a successful male.” Also alpha male and player are not interchangeable terms. To be a player one must be an Apha but to be an Alpha one needn’t be a player.
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