It’s biomechanical feedback loops all the way down.
Reader chris forwards a study that examined the relationship between testosterone levels and mating success.
Fulfilling desire: Evidence for negative feedback between men’s testosterone, sociosexual psychology, and sexual partner number
Men who achieve what, for them, represents a successful pattern of mating, whether through committed relationships or uncommitted sex, should lower these costs by decreasing T production. The present results thus point to negative feedback in which T promotes copulatory success, and copulatory success in turn down-regulates T production.
So I’m guessing the inference from this is that abstaining from mating while still desiring to mate produces highest testosterone levels.
Testosterone must be costly to the male to produce and sustain at high levels, otherwise the body-brain axis wouldn’t shift to down-regulating T production once reproductive success was achieved. And note that the use of contraception wouldn’t attenuate this down-regulation: The brain-endocrine system has not evolved to keep up with modern procreation-thwarting technologies. (Evolution never takes a break, so it’s possible people, and particularly secular Westerners, are presently evolving in unforeseen ways to accommodate the reality of cheap, widely available contraception.)
This study jives with Mangan’s writings on hormesis — the idea that low level stresses (e.g., weightlifting and eating mildly toxic vegetables like broccoli) on the body and brain promote the health of an organism — as it would seem copulatory denial causes a man’s body to ramp up testosterone production, resulting in more vigor and initiative. Temporary bouts of incel may, in fact, do a man’s body good.
So maybe the No-Fappers are onto something. Hardcore porn may trick the male brain into recognizing that solitary onanistic spurt arced over the flicker of a sexy 2D babe as the culmination of a real life reproductive success. Hardcore porn, like the Pill and condom, is an evolutionary shock for which the human brain and its underlying genetic imperative are ill-equipped to make sense of. Relative to the timeline of human evolution, Tab 31 may as well be a Toba event.
And when we look around at American men, especially Millennials raised on a diet of internet porn (and high fructose corn), we behold a ghastly churn of manboobs, psychological faggotry, poz, and Scalzied male feminists bleating like tender lambs about their daughters’ ability to bench press more than they can.
What does this all mean for the inveterate player? Getting into a relationship with one of your plates will make you soft, figuratively and literally. So you’d better choose wisely which girl you allow to tame you.
Finally, if you’re looking for a way around this T down-regulation caused by the curse of your own sexual success, take up weightlifting. It’s been shown to increase resting testosterone in both the short- and long-terms.
UPDATE
Commenter Anti-Citizen demurs,
Meh, I just know that if I don’t fap for 3 days I start considering banging fat chicks. Not worth it.
There are two legit pro-fap arguments to be made. This one, and the idea that a pre-date fap will relax and imbue a man with that aloof and indifferent alpha male aura chicks dig (as explored in Something About Mary).
Although, tbh, fat chicks are so visually and pungently disgusting to the majority of (white and asian) men that even a semen backup of Hoover Dam proportions wouldn’t convince them to do a triple lindy into the deep end of the back boobs.
Interesting!
Regarding pornography though, I have read that the male orgasm achieved through ejaculating to porn is five times less than that achieved by the real thing. So the testosterone-driven frustration should still remain.
Like having sex with a condom, porn is a lot like eating food without taste. You don’t starve to death, but that’s it. Hoping for scientific progress that will eliminate the need for condoms completely, through even better contraception for women and through vaccinations that remove the risk of STDs.
Cue puritans yelling about how you should only have sex with ONE woman and problem solved. Which is often one more than they have had. Reminds me of Comic-Book Guy in The Simpsons advocating that copulation should only be done once ever seven years like on a Star Trek planet. “For some that will mean much less sex. For me, much much more!”
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I have read that the male orgasm achieved through ejaculating to porn is five times less than that achieved by the real thing. So the testosterone-driven frustration should still remain.
not surprised. palms don’t feel like pussies and in your mind, you know it’s not the real thing.
in the same way that you get better orgasms with hot chicks than with so-so ones. i know i jizz visibly further. i think h3@artsie did a post on that a while back.
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you get better orgasms with hot chicks than with so-so ones
true dat
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I heard someone say “edging to pr9n is easy if you have an hour to kill”…
wouldn’t know though…uh right…try to edge with the ladies instead.
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Ive noticed a difficulty with condoms while spinning plates. This girl is hot, but prude and insists on wearing protection. I have other good looking plates who I raw dog. I cant seem to stay hard when I put condoms on anymore. I’ve spoiled myself on the real thing. Its pissing me off haha.
I think my testosterone levels adjust to other plates too, so im not as turned on with this other chick. Weird psychology and biology coming into play here
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“I think my testosterone levels adjust to other plates too”
i think this happens to me for sure. not sure exactly how to describe it and i think there have to be multiple hormones coming to play. because it’s as though i am “masculine” in different ways somehow. depending on the girl.
some women, usually masculine bitchy types but also the prudish ones like the one you mention will usually bring out some stress, anxiety, or even feelings of aggression so i’m thinking that testosterone levels are definitely raised in those situs. but there is also less attraction towards her because her personality and/or attitude is sort of a turn off. so my need for sex might be very strong and she can do the job alright but my desire for her is not nearly as great as with more feminine girls.
with a feminine, sweet, sexual girl, i will feel less stress, anger, and aggression but more protective and extremely desirous of her. i also feel more like a man for some reason. strong desire, protective instinct, feeling like he-man, that’s gotta be testosterone coming into play too, right?
so i’m not clear how it all works but there definitely seem to be different ways that testosterone levels can play out depending on the type of girl you’re dealing with.
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Ive noticed a difficulty with condoms while spinning plates. This girl is hot, but prude and insists on wearing protection. I have other good looking plates who I raw dog. I cant seem to stay hard when I put condoms on anymore. I’ve spoiled myself on the real thing. Its pissing me off haha.
Absolutely. In the past year I have used condoms, but with the girl I’m now dating I do the ol’ pull-out instead. With condoms most of the feeling is gone, and ejaculating becomes something you have to work hard on, never knowing if you’re going to make it or not. I think this is the case for most guys – often you end up pulling off the condom and finishing manually.
Thinking back once again to that one girl who was awesome at oral sex combined with a handjob, could make me come that way every time, no condom or pulling out needed…. Good times. Unfortunately it seems most girls are not very skilled at oral sex.
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@Arbiter
It’s kinda nice to hear I’m not the only one with the problem of difficult finish with a condom. Mine might be worse though. I don’t know if it was the circumcision or not but I don’t seem to have enough feeling to keep an erection with a condom. I drop girls if they don’t raw dog because of this. And I’ve developed a move where I take the condom off mid stroke so she doesn’t realize.
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For the natalists chez Le Chateau, there is a lot of research which indicates that the more orgasms a man has, the higher the quality of his sperm, i.e. the more you f*ck, the more fertile you become. So if you wanna knock up your woman, then you want to hit her a few days before she ovulates with nearly-new sperm, i.e. in the period leading up to her ovulation, you need to be orgasming frequently so that you won’t be leaving dead [or nearly lifeless] sperm inside her.
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… treasuring each load like a beautiful gift from God …
Now we’re getting somewhere!
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It’s actually the opposite. When was a pussy as tight as your ape grip? Maybe once, when you banged that 20 year old college girl over the hood of your car.
I’ve actually been experimenting with No-Fap, and I must say, initially, my orgasms are more intense and volumous.
It’s usually not just No Porn, but no fap either.
I end up treasuring each load like a beautiful gift from God, and my motivation and aggressiveness is higher than ever, but I’m getting blown out less.
It is as if these woman can sense that my quick escalation stems from genuine desire, not well tuned practice and route repetition.
In a word? It’s great.
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It’s actually the opposite. When was a pussy as tight as your ape grip? Maybe once, when you banged that 20 year old college girl over the hood of your car.
Yes, but that is not enough to make ejaculating through masturbation more of a pleasure for the body.
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Are pro boxers still advised to abstain from fucking on the run up to a fight?
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Chewing off an ear during the fight brings handy protein that fuels the testosterone. Timing is everything.
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Sure enough. Any ideas on the question though?
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I have heard this about several different sports, and I think men do it on their own too, without being told by the coach. Even when they’re not sure, it’s “better safe than sorry”. And it becomes like a talisman. You know how these mental things can give you an edge in tough competition.
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In an interview I read years ago, Roy Jones, Jr. stated that he maintained celibacy from his first day of training until after the bout.
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All I know is what Mickey Goldmill told Rocky Balboa: women weaken legs.
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I know some football (soccer) managers try to enforce this on players. Well, at least they try to keep them away from their wives the night before a game.
I think it probably is right. The only sporting benefit of pre-sport sex I have experienced is greater relaxation / calming of nerves but that’s probably not as much of an issue if you’re a pro.
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at least they try to keep them away from their wives the night before a game.
“Guys, we lost the game anyway. Perhaps I should have made myself more clear. When I said stay away from your wives before the game, I didn’t mean you could go to your girlfriends instead.”
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@Arbiter
Precisely. The players probably can’t believe their luck.
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Masturbation sucks the creative masculine energy away. This is why pornography is so heavily promoted by the Eskimos. Also it is a big part of the apathy of Western men. Sex is a reward for accomplishment. Before, young unmarried men would not receive regular sexual release and this pent-up sexual energy was the fuel driving history forward. Masturbation is like a harmful drug, and should not be practiced more than once a week.
[CH: porn didn’t really need any promotion. it already had a captive audience of eager consumers. all that was needed was a medium of mass delivery.]
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Masturbation was also in wide practice since time immemorial. Porn just made it better.
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While pornography was promoted by the Left as a way to get at the Right, that is because the Right had painted itself into a corner by allowing puritans to dictate sexual policy. A strategy that was doomed to fail and gave the Left an easy victory.
Look at Europe in the past. There was always prostitution around – in the Roman Empire they even had prostitutes in some of the temples. (Venereal disease comes from the priestesses in the temple of Venus (Afrodite) also selling sexual services, IIRC.) In Ancient Greece, birthplace of European philosophy, there were high-class prostitutes held in high regard. The philosophers did not oppose them. The vast Celtic areas across Europe, and the Germanic tribes that later spread out from the Black Forest – same, people always knew that sex was a good and healthy part of life. And there was nothing un-conservative about that.
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” Before, young unmarried men would not receive regular sexual release and this pent-up sexual energy was the fuel driving history forward.”
Watching porn is not necessary for masturbation. I’m pretty sure men used to masturbate even before the age of porn.
Although the frequency definitely seems to have gone up.
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Porn is nitro to the dopamine receptors. It becomes an addiction. It’s true that masturbation is not new. It’s the promotion of T destroying porn that is new. And it is such an effective weapon against men.
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For sure masturbation predates porn, probably even mental porn, since dogs whack off.
But porn may be pretty old – Greg Cochrane likes to say that what an archeologist calls a ‘fertility figure’ – eg the Venus of Willendorf – was another guy’s porn talisman – namely, the guy who carved it.
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Masturbation is like a harmful drug, and should not be practiced more than once a week.
I don’t do it at all.
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Agreed. If Im spinning a lot of plates, porn or chokin the chicken just seems like a waste of time. The poor guy needs a day off
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Destigmatization of masturbation and pornography is one of the most potent weapons in the war on Western Civilization.
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Ed Meese tried to warn people about this sort of thing back during the Reagan Administration. But then the Bush Family seized control of the GOP, and all of the concern about social issues was thrown right out the window. Dante will need to invent a 10th Circle of H*ll for that family.
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Hmm I tend to correlate T in relationships with the type of relationship. You rarely are going to see a high T dude in a relationship with a fat/ugly/feminist chick. I tend to believe that this does happen for a large portion of people though. I have seen a bunch of people get into a relationship and diminish into soft manlet form, moreso beta males in a relationship with a more dominant/controlling/nagging/unfeminine woman. To anyone that thinks they are experiencing lower T I would suggest AEN Ape (available online or vitamin shoppe) and/or GAT Nitraflex (available online or vitamin shoppe). I would also recommend starting 5X5 Stronglifts (there is a free app for it)
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and avoid the dominant/controlling/nagging/unfeminine women. dump her if you’ve got one.
women like that will truly destroy you.
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“and avoid the dominant/controlling/nagging/unfeminine women. dump her if you’ve got one.
women like that will truly destroy you.”
right on
every micro-concession you make, no matter how you consciously rationalize it, lowers your output of high status hormones/pheromones
its not just women, this applies to bosses, colleagues and friends too
they can smell you weakening
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Speaking of high-T guys in relationships, this study is interesting:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/11622827/The-secret-to-a-happy-marriage-Go-to-the-gym-more.html
Men who go to the gym more have happier wives. The wives of men who work out suffer less from depression, study finds. Which isn’t surprising. While looks matter less for women, it is one of the four factors that matter. (Looks, personality, money, status.)
And rather than winning a Marathon ribbon and burn out your knees before you turn sixty, why not get a strong body by lifting weights? Big muscles, by the way, also make the man happier, as they produce a chemical that prevent a stress chemical from reaching the brain. (If I post too many links this won’t go through the filter, but google “Tones muscles stop stress chemicals from reaching the brain”, it’s a Daily Mail story.) Weight lifting – is there anything it can’t do?
The Swedish researchers put two group of mice under stress by exposing them to loud bangs and flashing lights and waking them up at odd times.
After five weeks of this, the normal mice showed signs of depression, including loss of appetite. However, the second group of GM mice remained healthy. These mice had genes that meant they were muscly, even without exercising.
Further tests showed what is magical about muscle. Muscly mice make more of protective proteins called KATs. These stop a stress chemical called kynurenine from traveling to the brain.
The researchers from Stockholm’s Karolinska Institute showed that normal mice quickly become depressed when given kynurenine. But muscly mice were immune to the chemical. In fact, the amount of kynurenine in their blood never rose because the KAT enzymes in their bulging muscles quickly neutralised it.
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@Arbiter
“…one of the four factors that matter. (Looks, personality, money, status.)”
Presumably that list wasn’t intended to be exhaustive because I don’t see sex there. And sex definitely matters to women, probably more than looks but less than status and money.
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Maybe so, popcorn. But you could also say that looks (including body) improves sex. If you are successful with the ladies and get a lot of experience in the sack you shouldn’t have to worry about your sex skills anyway – I think people get the hang of it to a sufficient degree.
Although I have heard some stories by girls I have slept with…. Apparently some guys are lousy in the sack, hardly moving at all except for the in-and-out, and sometimes not even that. And they are afraid to utter a word. Sad, that. But most should be adequate, I think.
And anyway, it’s not something we can teach, so that’s why it doesn’t make the four-point list. Looks, Personality, Money, Status is a long-established list in PUA/manosphere writings, and I think it works pretty well. How much you should ascribe to each point, and whether they can balance each other etc, is up for debate.
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Not convinced.
I agree that experience coupled with some Red Pill nuggets (like the importance of dominance) will suffice to cure most sexual performance issues, save perhaps PE.
But you can ‘teach’ sex at least as much as you can ‘teach’ looks. Sex God method and general dominance are preached like crazy in the manosphere and anecdotal results seem very positive.
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Very well, bring it up with the board and maybe it will be added to the list in the next Manosphere edition!
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Weightlifting is truly life-changing as a discipline, but intense cardio is critical in long-term heart and lung function.
There is simply no replacement for the high from sprinting, trail-running, swimming etc.
[CH: i use cardio as an adjunct to lifting. wind sprints and quick milers.]
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Weightlifting is truly life-changing as a discipline, but intense cardio is critical in long-term heart and lung function.
There is simply no replacement for the high from sprinting, trail-running, swimming etc.
Nope. There is definitely a replacement, and it is called HIIT. High-Intensity Interval Training. There’s nothing to discuss here, it has been very clearly shown that HIIT is many times more effective than strapping on the running shoes and going for that one-hour jogging route. Even though you spend less time doing HIIT than cardio.
The reason people still keep going for that unnatural sustained one-hour running that ruins their joints with time, decreases their overall muscle mass, increases cortisol and makes them hungry, so that most people cannot lose weight through cardio, is one and one only – they are too lazy to read up on this. Easier to just strap on the shoes and go. “It’s better than nothing!”
And aside from HIIT – you train your heart and lungs when doing weight lifting too. You start by doing HIIT on an exercise bike as warm-up, which is really all the body needs, and then your heart is beating when you lift weights too. Which you do in intense sets, with resting in between, just like when you do HIIT. Perfect. Doing squats with a heavy bar on your shoulders gets your heart going like crazy.
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I would advise your to take heed of Godfrey Reggio’s practice – really, really concentrate, and make your regular visual ‘backgrounds’ the foreground (subject) of your attention. In a gym you’ll be confronted by feelings of true disgust, horror, and debilitation. These are taming, mechanistic playgrounds slogged across a bizarre science project taken way too far. Hour long jogs? You’re sadly mistaken, buck. Your conception of “cardio” is still rooted in the jimm. (BTW what you call ‘HIIT’ we practiced and elevated straight past in junior high football training). Open your eyes.
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Do you think a guy in a manual labor job has the same effect?
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+1 on the 5×5, but oddly, I seemed to have more T doing hypertrophy even though the science says I shouldn’t.
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Funny how most of the Testosterone replacement guys are also evo-psych deniers.
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Of course, that would be an admission of inferiority. Taking a drug doesn’t improve your genetic stock.
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@Charlotte,
You jumped in to defend insanitybites by parroting the exact same crap that both Dalrock and Vox banned her from their comments for.
I’ll tell you exactly what I told her:
Dal and Vox were right to ban her, but other than blatant spammers I don’t do that. That said if the language my readers use steps on your precious sensibilities you can go elsewhere.
What troubles you is the unvarnished truth; the truth that some men need to pass through that anger phase:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/
You don’t consider that because you’re a mewling quim who’s so solipsistically ego-invested in her feminine-defined reality that the concept of men having any individuated existence is never even an afterthought to you.
You’re have no consideration or inkling of the male experience is only matched by your lack of any critical curiosity about it.
http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/
You see, anger for women is exalted; a transformational experience even your so called Christian sisters embrace with gusto:
http://www.eewc.com/viewpoint/transformative-anger/
But men’s anger frightens you, not because men are scary, but because men’s anger is offensive to a feminine defined notion that men have it all made:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/11/06/anger-management/
Men shouldn’t have anything to ever be angry about because to the feminine conditioned mind it comes of as childish, vindictive, bitter – really everything opposite of the transitional anger women should be empowered by.
Angry men steal and corrupt the righteous anger only women should be justifiably entitled to.
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Charlotte isn’t here. And for goodness sake, stop being so petty and paranoid. If Roosh was trying to destroy your life, he’d write an article about you on ROK like he did Mark. You need to learn to be more supportive of other people. And he is free to start whatever movement he wants; he just shouldn’t be a megalomaniac about it.
Honestly. Think of the manospherian children.
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you’re a mewling quim
I laughed so hard at that, people stuck their head in my office to ask “what’s so funny”… I’m going to have to remember that quote…
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stop being so petty and paranoid
I don’t see how your comment replies to what Rollo Tomassi wrote. His point about testosterone is valid.
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I was replying to his misplaced post, Arbiter. I *would* have just posted it on his own blog, but he banned me from his free and open, unmoderated, intellectual discourse months ago.
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The insipid insider soap-opera drama of subredditors. Who can keep up with it.
w h o o o o . . . c a a a a r e s
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I guess I do, King. Because I don’t like liars. Because I still deal with the repercussions of what happened two years ago. And so does Mark. And so does his family. And I still feel as strongly as I did then that it was a horrible thing to do to someone. And if Roosh now believes the same thing we did then: that reclamation of tradition is the only way forward, then the decent thing would be to admit it and make reparations for it.
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Repercussions from the proprietors of this internet ghetto?
Nobody knows who they are. Nobody cares. Turn away and tend to your garden.
Matt 7:6
Matt 10:13-14
Matt
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My diagnosis is the same as it was the first day I ever commented at this place. For all the many seemingly diverse symptoms, the disease is the same: the despair of nihilist Epicureanism. It manifests in every way.
I just watched this sad compilation.
…
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…
There is no substantive difference between those Vine urchins and the priapic PUA poseurs or cynical aging revanchists who make up this side of the fringeweb. They’re all running in place. They’re all making superficial internet connections to stroke their ego but those bonds can’t ever pay dividends. They’re all blowing off steam because some fourth-grade self-esteem enthusiast convinced them their opinions were worth bleating about. And now we live in the age of over-sharing with the devices to encourage it.
Two hundred lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year. Running over the same old ground. Searching for God in idiosyncratic ways because no one insisted they get over themselves. Seeking and not finding, knocking and getting no answer. Amusing themselves to death at the dead end (which they re-label “poolside”).
Our evil culture got it into kids’ heads that they could define the universe however they wanted, and now those kids are grown up.
Truth is, no one gives a shit what they think. Even the good signals are lost in the noise when every solipsistic child has a bullhorn.
Matt
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swimming in a fish bowl, year after year. Running over the same old ground.
Very nice.
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Seeking and not finding, knocking and getting no answer.
Elton John, or coincidence?
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My contribution to exalted rock lyrics:
“Nothing lasts forever, even cold November rain.”
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“So never mind the darkness
We still can find a way
Nothing lasts forever
Even cold November rain”
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A true artist communicates things he may not understand, that are true and prophetic. Was Axl for that brief moment when he wrote that epic song tapping into that higher plane and telling us — back in 1991 — what is down the pike?
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By the way, what was the great PA doing in 1991?
He was as tall as he’s now, but a lot skinnier and as I remember that year, closing at a restaurant with GNR or whatever CD one of us brought in that day, playing loud as we cleaned the hardware and floors from 11PM to 1AM.
Good unknown music to recommend from that year? Sinnead O’Connor’s cover of Elton Johns “Sacrifice”.
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You can’t talk about Axl Rose and prophetic without mentioning “One in A Million”:
Immigrants and faggots
They make no sense to me
They come to our country
And think they’ll do as they please
Like start some mini-Iran
Or spread some fucking disease
They talk so many God damn ways
It’s all Greek to me.
And the original sarcastic citation of the “special snowflake”:
You’re one in a million
Yeah that’s what you are
You’re one in a million, babe
You’re a shooting star. …
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Elton John, or coincidence?
Option three, heathen.
Matt 7:7
Surprisingly not the lyrics from a queer 80s Bernie Taupin ballad!
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….annnnd once again we see what a waste of everyone’s time the opinions of women are in matters relating to the personal lives of men. See the thing is Kate, you don’t have balls, or anywhere near the level of testosterone or desire to fuck women that even the most manboobed of struggling men who read this site do. So again, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE lol? Rollo’s misplaced posts are more than welcome on here. Why? Because he as brought & continues to bring VALUE to the lives of men who read this & his sites. You have brought a sum total of ZERO value to any man’s life via this site. You feel that because you are married to a man who had some distant involvement in the manosphere some years ago you are somehow relevant to discussions here. Here’s the thing – HE GOT MARRIED!! This act in itself is arguably the single most retarded act any rational thinking man could commit himself to in the current legal & social climate in western worlds, given what we know about the behaviour of women, because AWALT, including you Katiepie. Ya, Rollo got married, 20 YEARS AGO, & has since made it his mission to help steer men away from this act given the current circumstances, until such time as the climate rewards men for agreeing to the legal marriage contract, if that time ever should come again. So, you are in fact the wife of a man who’s opinions almost nobody, if anybody, here has any time for. Take the fucking hint lol
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There is no substantive difference between those Vine urchins and the priapic PUA poseurs or cynical aging revanchists who make up this side of the fringeweb. They’re all running in place.
A, the King A/King/Matt King (pick a name) troll stops by to whine about CH’s blog again.
“cynical aging revanchists” You’re talking about yourself there. And please, no one believed you when you called CH a “metrosexual”, and no one is going to believe any other slur you come up with.
My diagnosis is the same as it was the first day I ever commented at this place. For all the many seemingly diverse symptoms, the disease is the same: the despair of nihilist Epicureanism.
Yep, that’s because you’re an idiot who is incapable of learning anything about the REAL problem, the people who run the media and what agenda they have. But of course, because of your religious fanaticism – your attempt at having a merit you can beat people with – you worship them as hard as you can. That, and because of your selfishness and cowardice, which make you side with those in power, while pretending that you are boldly speaking truth to power – just as long as you don’t criticize the ones who are the real problem. Maybe they’ll give you a pat on the head for it, any day now.
“Epicureanism”, LOL. Have to wonder how much of your nonsense you actually believe. You are so lost in your own little world, which is so obvious from the language you use, your home-made slurs and accusations so far removed from the world outside.
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“Repercussions from the proprietors of this internet ghetto?
Nobody knows who they are. Nobody cares. Turn away and tend to your garden.”
Not this one. Everybody knows I’m a Heartiste girl. Would never say a word to knock him. Actually, people do know and do care. My garden is just fine, thanks. It’s Mark’s I care about.
I wanna know how a group of people dedicated to the betterment of man can trash a man’s name, visible for any potential employer to see, believe he “never paid child support” and is some sort of “deadbeat” after giving his family over $100 K.
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@PA,
Man, November Rain takes me back. Last year, I heard it on the radio and it took me back to high school. That song was truly epic. That album set was.
I always liked Don’t Cry (alternate lyrics) and 14 Years.
“just like the hooker says,
nothing’s for free.”
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King: you should apply for the new writing position of “masculine theologian” at ROK. You’d be perfect for it.
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Plus, they did name the site after me.
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Truth is, no one gives a shit what they think. Even the good signals are lost in the noise when every solipsistic child has a bullhorn””””””
actually quite a few movies now with this stuff in them
so thats not truth is it
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Amusing themselves to death at the dead end (which they re-label “poolside”).””””’
so wait are you really just interference on the rollo comment or do you not realize everyone dies at the end
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But men’s anger frightens you, not because men are scary, but because men’s anger is offensive to a feminine defined notion that men have it all made:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/11/06/anger-management/
””””””’
thats the truth king now shit the fuck up and quit trying to bury rollo
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allthoough mens anger in motion is pretty fucking scary
people just ball up assume the fetal
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hell just saw a movie made about me i was kind of flattered
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Haha 🙂 Maybe unintentionally, but, yes, they did.
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Now, let’s give the keyboard jockeys some ammunition for ridicule. I saw today a French girl, 25 or so, who was about the cutest thing you could imagine, and she was so with a typical French look. Archetypal, you could say. We were having coffee, a group of people at work, and apparently she is visiting for a while.
What a breath of fresh air this girl was. An ingenue, CH would say. The kind of girl who men would be delighted just to talk to if nothing more – simply to see that such a girl exists. Sweet voice, warm, smiling friendly to one and all. Ah, I cannot do her justice. Unless you have seen such a woman any description will seem silly.
You might have seen Céline in “Before Sunrise”, she looked a bit like her, but this girl was far prettier. Having been to France many times I know that far from every woman is like this, with this classic French look, alas – if only better winds would have brought politics that would have preserved and promoted the best of the French. What good are beautiful-sounding principles when they don’t lead to a beautiful people?
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Yes, the French are mongrelised. So sad, what a great people they could have been. Note the massive shift in the French national character after the French revolution and Napoleonic Wars. National character is ALWAYS a function of ethnic composition.
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“Sweet voice, warm, smiling friendly to one and all”
I feel ya. And I highly recommend Austria. Still a rare breed as anywhere but some absolute gems of the variety described. You’d love it by the sounds of it.
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Oh, I am very familiar with Austria.
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Oh, I am very familiar with Austria.
I am VERY familiar with the southern edge of Niederosterreich.
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Supposedly not masturbating is linked with prostate cancer. I should say that frequent orgasms are linked with lower risk of prostate cancer. Infrequent orgasms should thus be linked with higher testosterone levels. I remember reading somewhere that testosterone is more or less linked with higher mortality in a positive relationship.
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This is true. Fap less, but make sure you clean your pipes a few times a month or you’ll get a prostate infection.
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[…] The Upside Of Blue Balls: Evidence For The No-Fap Philosophy […]
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Regarding pornography though, I have read that the male orgasm achieved through ejaculating to porn is five times less than that achieved by the real thing. So the testosterone-driven frustration should still remain.
Even worse, your dopamine receptors (the pleasure centers) are shot from the fake reward system. That being the case, no amount of T can force an activation of “seeking” behaviour (which is why ejaculation before seeing a woman causes a decline in interest).
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Some good stuff on the weights:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwGbhGWPReybN1dGcDFRYTA5dms/edit?pli=1
I don’t lift anymore but do hill/mountain sprints which I’ve found has a markedly better effect than cruising gyms full of dedicated automatons. Trust it.
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yah bro “cruising gyms full of dedicated automatons” is the depress. Well, ok, spend an hour doing leg curls, keeps you away from the rack.
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“keeps you away from the rack.”
yup. walking in and seeing it empty makes me giddy
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Funny how the anti-gym folks write about “automatons” and “gym rats” and whatever other insults they can think of. Let’s see, at my gym we have businessmen, we have students, we have retired folks, we have cheerful couples, we have all kinds of people. Which of these are “automatons”?
CH works out, so does Jayman and many other prominent manosphere bloggers. Tell me, which of these are automatons?
But do keep running. Lose musculature and get “skinny fat”. Keep it up three times a week year round, and when your fifty-five you’ll need a cane when you walk. “Darn it, my knee just snapped when I was running, what bad luck that day!” Never mind that it was years of ridiculous cardio that did it.
High-Intensity Interval Training, HIIT, is MANY TIMES more efficient than unnatural running for 40-60 minutes, despite the fact that with HIIT you don’t have to run the same amount of time. But let’s not allow facts to get in the way. You want the sweat. You are too lazy to read up on this. You can’t lift weights. So you refuse to learn – okay, do so. But don’t pretend it would be superior training when it has been proven vastly inferior.
The human body is made for moving slowly long distances, lifting heavy things, and short bursts of fast movement. In other words walking, weight lifting and HIIT. Running continuously for 40-60 minutes is not only inefficient but also damages the heart and lungs in the long run (pun intended). How sad that you don’t know this.
Plus, most people don’t lose weight from cardio. They get hungry and eat more. Many actually gain weight, since they think they “deserve” the extra food. You also add STRESS, through the cortisol hormone, which increases WEIGHT GAIN. Weight lifting also increases cortisol, but it also activates a counter hormone. And as research shows, big muscles produce kynurenine which neutralizes stress hormones, further decreasing weight gain and increasing well-being.
Ah, never mind. You’d find this on your own if you wanted to. You could read Jayman’s Rogue Health and Fitness blog, a blogger who is close to CH. Maybe some day you will. And then you’ll know what “automatons” who actually study exercise know.
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For what it is worth,
I lift weights at home, have not set foot in a gym in 20 years.
There is nothing wrong with those who like gyms, I’m just saying you can do it at home.
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Yep, lifting at home works too. You just need a bar rack for bench press and squats.
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Why does everyone sperg out about their favorite brand of exercise? Fercrisakes. Run 5ks two to three times a week; a young to middle age man should be able to do this distance in 24 minutes or less. You will lose weight and get cut. Squats, deads, bench, overhead press (heavy) two or three days. You will gain muscle. But who gives ashit? Nice gym muscles but what can you do with it? You’re training for what exactly? It’s all masturbation unless you compete.
Play a team sport once a week. There’s your “high intensity interval” stuff. Hockey is great for this. It’s a physically and mentally aggressive game which puts you in direct competition with other men. You need to be able to intimidate and stick up for yourself against intimidation. Thisis what raises testosterone.
[CH: pickup bball is a great workout.]
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Go get ’em tiger. I eventually felt ulta-domesticated inside the Church of Iron, instead seeking to make gravity my personal whore.
Keep doing what works for you.
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High-Intensity Interval Training, HIIT, is MANY TIMES more efficient than unnatural running for 40-60 minutes,
he said he did hill sprints. if he’s doing them the way they’re meant to be done (all out), that’s not chronic cardio. nobody can do all-out sprints up a hill for 40-60 minutes at a time.
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Hill sprints bring you closer to god, get your heart and lungs in shape, and prime you for exhausted, endorphin-overdosed, explosive sex…followed by deep sleep.
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Add two more: Eat less live longer and excercise during fasting or low energy increases weigh loss. Something about primal urges makes us go. So in nature, less is more.
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> Eat less
> Lift weights
Doth thou even hoist brother?
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Coffee for breakfast is key. You still take your whey protein concentrate before you lift but you do 30 minute cardio after your lifts. I was directing more toward losing fat when you get that workout burn and low energy from not eating most of the earlier day. Recovery is still crucial.
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Everyone should learn about Intermittent Fasting. Sixteen hours of fasting in a day activates autophagy, the cleaning of debris from cells which is essential for slowing down aging, and also for reducing inflammation and other conditions, which also preserves the body’s strength. This can be found at Jayman’s Rogue Health and Fitness blog. There is a mountain of research on this already.
For those who think that sixteen hours of fasting will put you in starvation mode where the body saves fat, have no fear – that starvation mode only comes after THREE DAYS of not eating. Not a mere sixteen hours, which is perfectly normal.
Another benefit is that intermittent fasting actually reduces hunger. And curiously research shows that if you eat X number of calories within only eight hours of the day, you lose weight and gain all sorts of health benefits, compared to if you eat the same X amount of calories spread out over the day. The body needs time to clean the cells.
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Sounds interesting, will research.
What of the negative effects on other elements of daily life when fasting, like work and socialising (anecdotal evidence accepted)?
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IF is valuable. A variety of health benefits. I succeeded in finally getting rid of the last remnants of my beer belly by switching to an IF diet last year. Everyone at work kept asking if I was losing weight. I said yeah. They asked what the trick was. I said, don’t eat so much.
Never got asked questions after that.
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popcorn, search at Rogue Health and Fitness for “intermittent fasting” and “autophagy”. It’s very interesting.
Regarding daily activities – remember that you can eat within an eight-hour period, which is actually a long time. Start with lunch. Have dinner within eight hours from that. Basically you are just skipping breakfast.
“But breakfast is the most important meal of the day!” we hear. Hmm, yes, we hear that from Kellogg’s who made it a meme in order to sell cornflakes. And from Tony the Tiger in order to sell sugar. But if you don’t stuff yourself full of carbs, which are quickly broken down (some for muscles, the rest stuffed away by the insulin hormone in your fat cells) so you don’t have any fuel left after a couple of hours, you’ll do fine. And you get used to it, no problem. Okay, some days you will be hungry, and then you should eat. Doesn’t matter if you skip IF once in a while. (You’ll be hungry more often in the beginning though, and then you should NOT eat. It’s just because you are not used to the restriction. Here’s the thing about light hunger: it’s not dangerous, it’s natural. And it passes.)
If you get hungry and want to eat something during the 16-hour fasting period, eat vegetables. Do not eat protein or sugar during this time as they raise insulin, and that breaks off the fasting process. Also, eat less than a hundred calories, as even a hundred cals will make the body switch modes and stop the autophagy. (But if you’re only eating vegetables, staying well below 100 calories shouldn’t be a problem.)
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“What of the negative effects on other elements of daily life when fasting, like work and socialising (anecdotal evidence accepted)?”
not really any negatives when you think about. you might have to stick to coffee only instead of having big breakfasts with the family but other than that all you really have to do is stick to only eating between say 1 to 9 or something like that. you can still do lunch, snack, dinner, evening drinks and snacks with friends. whatever. not hard really.
besides, that whole idea that breakfast is the most important meal of the day is just more government propaganda to get people to eat grains. yes, the first meal of the day is what gets you going again but it doesn’t have to be right when you wake up…lol. and most likely if you’re eating enough the day before, you’re not even going to be hungry until midday the next day.
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This can be found at Jayman’s Rogue Health and Fitness blog.
Ah, I meant Mangan’s Rogue Health and Fitness blog. Credit where credit is due.
Notice how similar mine and Blart’s response was – writing at the same time, about when to eat (lunch to dinner), about breakfast and cereals, about how easy it is. Fun to see.
It really isn’t difficult. Now that I have done it for more than two years, I simply can’t quit doing intermittent fasting. I would fall into it again. It is great to know that you are doing something so beneficial for your body.
Aside from Rogue Health and Fitness you can also read Mark’s Daily Apple. Mark Sisson was a professional runner, but he later discovered how running is bad for you and is now advocating the Primal Blueprint: walking a lot, HIIT, weight lifting, and the paleo diet. And he has added intermittent fasting to this. Every Friday he posts a long letter from a reader about his or her success with the Primal lifestyle. And he has letters like this to cover years and years.
It is impressive to see a man read up on science and discard what he did professionally for most of his life. Very impressive. Mark’s Daily Apple is one of the top paleo blogs, perhaps the most prominent one.
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For example, here is an interesting post by Mangan about how Intermittent Fasting slows down aging, one of many discussions about this:
http://roguehealthandfitness.com/intermittent-fasting-and-the-growth-longevity-tradeoff/
He quotes from a study: “Nevertheless, intermittent fasting resulted in beneficial effects that met or exceeded those of caloric restriction including reduced serum glucose and insulin levels and increased resistance of neurons in the brain to excitotoxic stress. Intermittent fasting therefore has beneficial effects on glucose regulation and neuronal resistance to injury in these mice that are independent of caloric intake.”
IF is even better than going low-calories when it comes to slowing down aging. But why? In part, he says, because it reduces TOR (Target-of-Rapamycin).
TOR is “a physiological nutrient sensing pathway” that is essential for growth early in life, but in adulthood it leads to aging. (Why do men die earlier than women? Because men are bigger. More growth, faster aging.) To inhibit TOR in adulthood is therefore of great benefit to us.
Besides, if you’re eating a lot of carbs or protein, or lifting weights, you’ll need it, because these things activate TOR.
Regarding protein, Mangan has mentioned elsewhere that experienced weight lifters will learn to use protein more efficiently, and therefore don’t need as much protein (per kilo body weight) as they did in the beginning. If I remember correctly, while weight lifters are usually recommended to eat 1.8-2 gram protein per kilo bodyweight, Mangan says that the experienced lifter can go down to 1.2 gram protein. Which is good news, considering the TOR thing. Mangan has a lot of this info. I recommend subscribing to his Twitter feed.
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Interesting accounts, thanks gents. I may give it a try when cutting because there’s no way I’d be able to get all my calories in in 8 hours when bulking.
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Popcorn, how many calories do you eat per day if I may ask?
Maybe you can do like Mangan: he lifts every three days, and therefore only does IF on the third day. On that day he skips it for more than twenty hours (don’t remember exactly, maybe a full 24), which he says really isn’t difficult when he’s used to it. That should give his body enough time to really clean out debris from the cells and to repair the cells, he says. (When I say “debris” that covers several cellular-level odds and ends that I have forgotten the names of.) His Twitter is @mangan150 – even if you don’t have a Twitter account yourself, you can read there. Useful stuff.
Oh yes, I forgot to mention that: when you stop eating continuously and give your cells some rest, the body will start repairing old cells instead of constantly creating new ones. And as you know, the repeated creation of new cells to replace the old is a cornerstone in aging. IF lets you use the cells longer before discarding them. (This is what most people know about IF, since it is the easiest to explain.)
While I’m at it: look up the website Nerd Fitness and read their post about IF. It has some good info about the health benefits.
Anyway, back to lifting. I am thinking of following Mangan’s example, but so far I do IF every day. Which you actually don’t need. Maybe every other day. But yeah – it’s difficult to eat all the calories. Especially if you don’t drink mass gainer, and I recently stopped drinking that. It takes me hours to eat now. The things we do for the iron pill.
Hope you’ll try this and see how it goes. I cannot emphasize the beneficial effects enough. This is a common manosphere thing by the way, same as the paleo diet. I wish everyone here would try this.
And we only have one life, after all. Seeing grandparents become weaker recently has really made me think of preparing for future decades. When I’m sixty, seventy, eighty, my back and joints are going to be fit for fight!
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Good info here.
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“look up the website Nerd Fitness”
This says it all fellas. You pussies are missing the whole point of life.
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that ‘women who look like fat men’ post killed a whole month’s worth of testosterone production
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hefty, no room for the gravy on that plate
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Total relate to this from this morning waking up.
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Excellent writing as usual. Quick correction: it’s jibes, not jives.
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The common parlance has corrupted the language a bit, and now jives is understood as a suitable replacement for the more correct jibes.
When connotation is understood by all, denotation suffers second-class treatment.
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To help those who think of hormones as something stable or something you can sustain by force:
The human body works in negative feedback loops. In simple terms, a negative feedback loop means your body notices a lack in X and starts producing it, but has no mechanism to detect when X is high enough and then only rolls it back when it notices an excess of X.
What this means for testosterone is that the body notices a lack of reproduction, physical mass or hormonal stability, so it produces testosterone. But it doesn’t know when you have “enough”. It just overproduces until you are mating regularly, suffering higher rates of cancerous cell formation or hormonally unstable again, at which point it starts reducing testosterone. In other words, when your body reduces testosterone it is receiving some signal that it has too much. This may be due to metabolic expense, or it could be due to a micronutrient deficiency or even another latent hormonal imbalance that surfaces when testosterone hits peak. But whatever it is, it’s saying “too much” and the body is scaling back. And will continue to scale back until you have too little and the body goes back onto production.
In terms of self-regulation the body is less a calibrated machine and more a series off see-saws.
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Do you have a source? Not bitching, this was interesting and would like to verify whilst remaining lazy.
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No problem. Here’s a little light-ish reading material:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_feedback
http://anatomyandphysiologyi.com/homeostasis-positivenegative-feedback-mechanisms/
If I recall, the emphasis on the “negative” side in discussion was because all organisms primarily wish to conserve energy, so the loop has a bias towards the negative, not because it is always negative (otherwise there wouldn’t be a loop).
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Second reply just to add: they actually represent it as a see-saw. I feel far less original and clever now. http://anatomyandphysiologyi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Homeostatic-control.jpg
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very funny. you study biochemistry in college? or you getting your information from internet “news” articles?
The human body has incredibly sophisticated hormesis, but the problem is that we humans have seriously screwed with the natural controls.
Electric lights artificially regulate our wake/sleep cycles. We take massive amounts of drugs such as caffeine and alcohol and nicotine which interfere. We eat mostly processed foods.
And so on.
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The human body works in negative feedback loops. In simple terms, a negative feedback loop means your body notices a lack in X and starts producing it, but has no mechanism to detect when X is high enough and then only rolls it back when it notices an excess of X.
That would mean you can’t affect anything as the body goes back to equilibrium. Well, for a brief effort that is true. But a sustained effort can change things.
For example, when it comes to weight loss or weight gain. Eating a lot less one day, or a lot more one day, will do nothing as the body compensates to go back to its current equilibrium. But you can change that equilibrium with long, methodical effort.
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Not at all. The loop only works as long as the environment is constant. What happens when you lose weight, for example, is that your body detects a lack of calories and starts burning the ones it has. When you gain muscle your body is detecting energy-expensive breakdown and eventually “decides” that more muscle is less expensive than breakdown. Negative feedback loops are still present, but the pressure moves their centre. My point was simply that negative feedback loops are the default, even, theoretically, in a vacuum, whereas other pressures simply move the balance of the see-saw around.
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scary shit:
“maybe the No-Fappers are onto something. Hardcore porn may trick the male brain into recognizing that solitary onanistic spurt arced over the flicker of a sexy 2D babe as the culmination of a real life reproductive success”
your dumbass body be all like “I just nutted over Whitney Westgate for the 6th time this week…I am a stud. Therefore, all my life decisions are valid.”
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A screen image won’t give trick the brain via senses of smell, sound or touch, and it wont give you the psychological validation of fucking the real Whitney Westgate
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who the fuck is whitney westgate he he he
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right?!
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And then there’s that loss of eyesight and danger of hairy palms phenomena
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Especially when I see that pic with the super-hot guy on the beach!
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Now, now… gentlemen don’t shoot fish in a barrel… it’s unsporting.
But, okay… I did laugh.
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Watch out for strapon….he’s tired of having sand kicked in his face all the time, he’s gonna gamble a stamp and mail Charles Atlas for his FREE book!
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Had to grin at that one… I remember those ads from the backs of magazines and comics… been a long time, thanks for that blast from the past.
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Dynamic tension can turn you into… a BEAST of a man!
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Beauty innit? Walked past a comic shop the other day, they’re selling poster-sized copies of the original ad.
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If you want to make an impression on a girl that will get her absolutely hooked on you, no matter how slutty her past, do the following:
a) save up your jizz for 30 days, then
b) sit her up or lie her down so you’re face to face
c) make her masturbate while you get yourself close to ejaculating
d) when she starts to cum, make her finish you off with her other hand
e) release the hellfire
f) rub your jizz all over her tits, stomach, and throat as if it were massage oil
After that she’s yours. Forever. Guaranteed. You don’t have to do much to keep her coming back.
And, yes, while you’re saving up your jizz for that time you will feel your testosterone increase dramatically. I notice a big difference after 9-10 days.
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a girl will drown in 30 days worth of baby batter lzozlzozlzolzzzolzollzolz
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Do you recommend a glass jar, or will plastic do?
PSA: when storing it in the fridge, clearly mark the container.
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well played sir
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Tell her to close her eyes for a present. Pour a bucket over her and she’s yours. Some guy on the internet said so.
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Another effect of too much porn, besides testosterone depletion. Every fatherless millennial thinks he’s the star of an 4-minute amateur gonzo video.
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The highest natural level of Test I’ve ever seen was in a hyperthyroid man. Someone I know upped his Test 40% to upper decile range only taking thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones regulate metabolism, and unless you have sufficient antioxidant capacity, that means Reactive Oxygen Species damage(hydrogen peroxide is a familiar example of a ROS). Most things that accelerate your heart(coffee, sex, scary movies, arguments etc) increase your thyroid hormone release and your T level. And I suspect when there is enough damage that is when your body no longer responds properly to hormones(aka insulin resistance) and your liver no longer metabolizes estrogen well. That ROS damage can be seen in athletes, olympians have horrible teeth and female gymnasts have brittle bones like old ladies. Hyperthyroidism has the same symptoms as Scurvy(which is caused by a deficit of one of the most important antioxidants vitamin c). I believe this is why alot of those sports guys in high school end up the first fat and bald ones later in life. Its like running a car hot with too little oil, you are shortening the life span.
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a lot of truth in this. whether your levels are way too low or way too high, it’s bad news. extremes in either direction are no good.
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Okay post until the end. The cool high school jock who ends up fat and bald is mostly a myth perpetuated by resentful guys who couldnt’ get laid in high school. The coolest guys in high school are usually meso-ecto and handsome and stay that way.
High school is a microcosm of life. Those who change their social status afterwards are the exceptions, not the rule.
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good thing i drink a gallon of fresh squeezed orange juice a day
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best way to guarrantee she follows you to the ends of the earth never fuck her
tell her she too fat
when she comes back thin tell her her face fucked up
when she comes back with that fixed tell her something else is fucked up
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thats what a chick told me anyway or fuck her once and then never again
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Thats what the gays do to girls lol
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best way to guarrantee she follows you to the ends of the earth never fuck her
tell her she too fat
I tried that, and yeah, she followed me to the ends of the earth… nagging the whole time that I should love her for who she is.
Luckily it was back when the world was flat, and when we got to the end, she rolled off.
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i think so on the lower testosterone
no fighting for shit when its all going great
didn’t they do studies on work environment too about how certain stress jobs cause them to raise testosterone
question might be does the female in a relationship lose or gain test
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“question might be does the female in a relationship lose or gain test”
great question. i know for a fact that certain women make me feel better physically when i am around them while others don’t. don’t know my exact testosterone levels but i bet they are more out of balance when i’m with the dominant/controlling/nagging/unfeminine women that i mentioned in my earlier comment to Waffles.
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may have read your post wrong. i think you were asking about whether or not test levels changed in females. good question too.
i have no doubt that they do.
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They absolutely decrease in women over time, hence lowered sex drives as they get older.
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I’ve got to hand it to you, CH, the way you get science to back up the Red Pill wisdom–sorry, Neomasculine wisdom–is absolutely masterful. I’m having a ball reading the comments here.
Again, weightlifting is KEY for men young and old. Time to grab the iron bar.
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Couldnt agree more. Just taking a week of rest from weight lifting I can feel my T decrease. Desk jobs are the worst…
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Desk jobs are the worst. What’s fun working in an office though is being one of the fit guys in a place full of lazy fat asses. Contrast is king!
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Exactly. Also, office hotties. Plus, if you’re a sociable dude it can be a fun place.
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speed bag with a photo of Greg Eliot on it.
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yeah, if your office is full of fat smelly office workers with assburger’s, you’ll really stand out if you’re fit and sociable.
i remember the ‘sexual harrassment training’ they gave at my last office job…
they were describing the ‘traffic light’ system, where if somebody says ‘red light’ it means ‘you’re sexually harrassing me and you need to stop now!’, and ‘yellow light’ means ‘i’m feeling triggered and uncomfortable with what you’re doing/saying’.
some girl actually asks ‘what does green light mean?’
so i answer ‘your desk or mine?’
most of the girls laughed. even the guy giving the indoctrination chuckled. most of the other chodes i mean men though just sat there with looks varying from ‘i don’t get it, what’s so funny?’ to ‘wow. just…..wow. how is he not fired yet??’
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Desk jobs are the worst. What’s fun working in an office though is being one of the fit guys in a place full of lazy fat asses. Contrast is king!
Absolutely, mendozatorres. (What the hell does that name mean, though?) It is especially great when summer comes along and you start meeting people off work wearing only a t-shirt. Sometimes you’ll notice the glances from women checking out your arms and torso. Fun.
I know a guy who is tall and built like a tank through hard work at the gym. People really want to get along with him. I myself notice the difference when you talk to a guy like that, even though he is not threatening in any way. So aside from knowing the facts and being social, having a good physique helps you make a point. That’s how human minds work.
Never, ever draw attention to your physique though, or wear t-shirts that are too tight. Don’t talk about going to the gym. If you brag about your physique ever so slightly the effect becomes the opposite.
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“Don’t talk about going to the gym. If you brag about your physique ever so slightly the effect becomes the opposite.”
definitely true.
i stay in good shape. i’m not a hardcore fitness nut or anything but i do work out plenty and i rarely if ever talk about it to anyone but the people at the gym or people i do sports with.
i have a couple people at work who do though. they are always talking about the gym and what gains they are making. really go overboard about it. super obnoxious.
they aren’t even bad guys but as soon as they do that, you start thinking, working out that much huh? would think you’d look better by now…lol. or you’re bench pressing that much dude? you sure about that? it’s not a conscious thing, it’s just what we do.
most of us see bragging as try hard and only something people do when they think they have something to prove. when people brag, you automatically doubt their credibility and wonder what is so wrong with them that they feel like they need to compensate for it by telling everyone how in shape they are.
same with people who brag about how much they make, or what they own or whatever. if you’re doing well in life, people will know it and respect you for being humble. bragging will just make people question why you feel the need to impress them.
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they aren’t even bad guys but as soon as they do that, you start thinking, working out that much huh? would think you’d look better by now…
Yeah, that’s another thing. If you ever talk about lifting weights, you better have real big muscles, because that is what people expect when they hear about weight lifting. That’s what they have seen on TV. If you don’t have that they’ll think you’re a poseur. They don’t know that most people who lift weights don’t look like bodybuilders.
If you’re middle class and you lift weights, that’s out of the ordinary, and it makes you seem a little dangerous. A whole lot of leftists will be instinctively hostile toward this masculine endeavor even without consciously thinking about it. So while runners can talk about running as much as they want, you can’t talk about lifting, because they’ll instantly say that you are bragging and spread that rumor.
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@Arbiter…the name is two last names of two beta guys I know. They share the same first name.
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No question… lift weights for the sake of your health and your mind.
speed bag with a photo of Greg Eliot on it.
Goes well with that treadmill you got… the one with the broom handle extending out front with a bucket of fried chicken tied to it.
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“speed bag with a photo of Greg Eliot on it.”
Blondy and Greg were meant for each other.
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This is, what, the third time you’ve chimed in with this?
C’mere and let me knock the bag o’ Cheetohs outta yer hand before ya gets one in the yarbles… if’n ya got any yarbles, eunuch jelly thou.
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you can be high-T but you will always have autism.
Autism is the main reason of surfing the sub-internet, pua forums, 4chan, shit like that. Autism = social disadaptation = need for love or sex = asking internet how to get sex = ending up on forums
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thank you Dr. oz!
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Dr Oz. is a true sociopath. He is the opposite of autism. He knows how to manipulate the masses by spitting bullshit about stuff he doesn’t believe in. He is a true alpha and you should learn from him instead of hating because you think he is a “mangina” or feminist or whatever. He seriously doesn’t give a shit and laughs at your pathetic blindless faith in belief sets. People like you are pawns to people like him.
Also, he has the typical high-T sociopath looks: hairline untouched from DHT or vasoconstriction due to lack of stress, massive buldging facial bones, prominent glabella with low-trust highbrows, strong jaw and masseter.
He understood what mattered in life to him and that he could make big bucks and be low-risk by abandoning the hospital lifestyle and doing the retarded entertainment business.
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Real talk.
“….the number of hours that gamers world-wide have spent playing “World of Warcraft” alone adds up to 5.93 million years.”
Fukk aull duh intuhnetss!
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704590704576092460302990884
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“Autism is the main reason of surfing the sub-internet, pua forums, 4chan, shit like that. Autism = social disadaptation = need for love or sex = asking internet how to get sex = ending up on forums”
… = finally seeing a path to self improvement rather than societies’ conditioned limitations = getting actionable advice from guys who have been there = putting in the work to improve your social interactions = overcoming limiting beliefs = banging random college hotties pretty much at will…lol…
regardless of autism or aspergers tendencies…self improvement = self improvement…lol…
good luck!
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self improvement doesn’t exist. Any human reaches his peak emotional and physical improvement at the end of puberty. After that sure, you can put on muscle (which doesn’t mean shit since it’s the number of muscular cells and fat cells that matter, which is decided during development, also the majority of best bodies are made during puberty through sports and hormones, not through compensation hypertrophy which is ,evolutionary-speaking, the mark of the slave builder, not of the king or the warrior), you can learn new cognitive things for your career or pua pickup lines, but you will never change the subconscious structure of your brain, just like you can’t change your bones or tissues. An autistic stutterer will always remain such, even at 60 years old (except when neuronal degeneration takes its toll on neuronal circuits responsible for your handicap), no matter the pickup lines or the bullshit beliefs that you insert in your cognitive brain (fuck! An epiphany! I have to hate feminism, this will surely get me laid and change my behavior around people!)
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Many who frequent the chateau are getting laid a-plenty…
They merely come here in-between conquests to enjoy my scintilating repartee.
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you can get laid and still be autistic. I personally am one of those annoying high-functioning autists with high IQ but shit skills at exposing my emotions. Getting into pua and manosphere might have helped me in the sense of getting me out there and helping me rationalizing rejection and social failure in various ways (“I’m alpha, that’s why they hating on me” “thanks to feminism these women are right and I’m being shunned”), but these skills are always cognitive-learned skills. I have an above-average lay count, but I still struggle to form connections with people. When I have ONS I can feel the awkwardness in the women who may have slept with me because I’m good looking but aren’t truly enjoying sex because they are feeling awkward themselves. I have surpassed the problems of “being beta” or a WK with women, but just because I never had them, just like most people who surf manosphere websites. As a matter of fact, there are plenty “alphas” out there who are having sex or making women fall in love with them, who have never read this kind of bullshit and don’t even give a fuck about manosphere “redpill” concepts, and even believe the opposite. The problem for autists into manosphere isn’t the getting laid itself (there are whores for that if you really like sex and want to get laid, but nobody cares because it’s all about validation for them), it’s the suffering that comes from having one’s social needs unfulfilled by not feeling like you “fit in” anywhere.
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lol keyboard alpha go out moar shit man this place changed my life lol heres a video of a mulato i fucking LUV science lol
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you are autistic because:
-you use forum-learned terms (keyboard alpha)
-you attack me just because you noticed I’m not being part of the classical circle jerk happening in manosphere websites
-you desperetaly need to defend the set of beliefs learned on the internet, which is the only thing that is giving you an identity at the moment
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Autism is the main reason of surfing the sub-internet, pua forums, 4chan, shit like that.
Sure, socialist. Funny how leftists will always call it insanity when people have other opinions. In the Soviet Union they put non-communists in mental institutes, because if you weren’t a communist you were clearly insane. Leftists in the West talk the same way – because they have no facts, only slurs and labels.
And of course, there’s the Guilt by Association fallacy which leftists use. Connecting PUA forums to 4chan, that’s a laugh.
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Speaking of leftism… I am sure being exposed to leftist anti-male brainwashing crap tends to lower testosterone levels in men over time.
… at least in men who believe the leftist anti-male crap.
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Indeed, Canadian Friend. Just look at this from CH’s Twitter feed:
http://www.mediacoop.ca/blog/norasamaran/19018
“Dating tips for feminist men”. No actual tips whatsoever, just paragraph after paragraph about how you need to talk, constantly ask for permission, constantly talk about “where this is going”. Again: no actual practical tips whatsoever. Even though he writes that the tips are about “hooking up”.
And then this, in the end: “The benefits? other than ‘integrity’ and creating a better world and movement, the personal benefits of walking the walk include deeper friendships with those strong feminist women you find yourself attracted to, after the hooking up ends.”
You can imagine him parading through a short-lived relationship with a pink flag in his squishy hands. The benefits are “integrity”, “better world and movement”, “deeper friendships” – not success with women. Dating is about serving the feminist movement. Funny.
Those are the writings of a guy who is afraid of being a man. He even writes that “not all men have to be masculine, or feel the need.” 😀
Note how the comment section has plenty of posts saying that it’s not just men who don’t communicate and who break off the dating without a word, plenty of women do that too. So he fails even with his own audience.
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“Dating tips for feminist men”
I have a number of friends who proudly wear the male feminist label; I call them hipster faggots. Anyway, my hipster-faggoty friends have told me during alcohol-induced debates that they believe in equality and have hot girlfriends–proof that women like progressive men, they say. I tell them that they attract girls because they’re in rock bands, socially savvy and not morbidly obese.
The point is, not even male feminists follow the lame advice in that article. The ones who are successful with women succeed because, despite their regressive politics, they have the traits that most women find attractive.
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“Dating tips for feminist men”…feminist men…you’ll find that in the English dictionary next to the entry for “oxymoron”.
It appears to have been an entry from a Nora Samaran, whoever that is, we don’t particularly care. It’s dating advice from a ‘woman’, and therefore it is nugatory.
It was tl;dr, but the first few paragraphs say enough…it’s loaded with the latest buzzwords from the unshaved-armpit crowd like ‘straight cismale’…’intersectional’…’meaningful consent’…
It’s easy to laugh at this because two good things happen: a) the manginas who follows this ‘advice’ to the letter will never procreate, b) the mezzo-finocchios who fail to break out their grovel-before-the-pedestal mindset raise the relative value of actual men, such as us…
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You are the biggest autist commenter here. You are a regular commenter writing essays of mental masturbation. Also, I didn’t even mention anything on my political beliefs but you go on spitting bullshit about leftism. Why? Because in your set of beliefs leftism = the opposite of what you want, and since being conservative is related to surfing the manosphere, being leftist = against pussy.
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“You Have Autism!” is a pathetic shaming tactic. Are there aspies who read this blog? Sure. But accusing every commenter of having autism proves nothing other than you are an idiot with no legitimate arguments against this blog.
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keep in mind that with autism I include every single individual who doesn’t fit in society in a normal way and isn’t normally accepted from peers in a certain way.
You can’t be neurotypical and be a regular commenter on manosphere websites. Non-autistic people may read some articles but they never felt the need to google how to be alpha or whatever, because they are happy in their normal lives.
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Lowering in men ostensibly serves a positive purpose. Studies have shown that testosterone in men is lowered when they live with a woman. It’s thought that this promotes monogamy, which benefits the children.
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true and there is some good in that. gotta have the right balance.
too much T and you’re great with girls but a shitty father. too little and you’re good with baby and a pussy with women.
that’s why you have to spend time with your bros. and you have to either work out or do lots of other active stuff. mow your own lawn, work on your car, chop some wood once in awhile. and don’t let your woman start ruling the roost and having you do household chores while she calls the shots and brings home the bacon. she will just become more masculine and you’ll turn into a girly man.
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good points. too much T is just as bad as not enough. like blart said, you gotta have balance.
and like bo jangles said in a comment further up the thread, some bad stuff can happen to your body when your T levels are too high.
the key is to not be in any extreme one way or another. too much working out, taking supplements, acting like an idiot and doing all kinds of adrenaline inducing crap will put you on a high for sure and you’ll likely bang chicks. but you’ll also probably be intolerable to most people you know because your temper will flare more often, you’ll take more risks, you’ll lose your ability to empathize with others, etc.
too little of the right kinds of activities ie: working out (in moderation), mowing your own lawn, working on stuff, etc. but too much of the wrong (housework, childcare, spending a lot of time with women in a non-sexual manner, ie: working with them, hanging out with your masculine girl and her friends or female family members) and you’ll turn you into a lovable chap who is good with kids and old ladies but you’ll lose your masculine energy and vitality.
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oo much working out, taking supplements, acting like an idiot and doing all kinds of adrenaline inducing crap will put you on a high for sure and you’ll likely bang chicks. but you’ll also probably be intolerable to most people you know because your temper will flare more often
When you say “supplements” you mean steroids, I presume. Ordinary supplements with vitamins and whey protein are no danger, and in fact should make people less violent as they increase health. Hell, even little old grandmothers would do well drinking thirty gram whey protein every day as it helps the muscles.
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@Arbiter
“When you say “supplements” you mean steroids, I presume. Ordinary supplements with vitamins and whey protein are no danger, and in fact should make people less violent as they increase health. Hell, even little old grandmothers would do well drinking thirty gram whey protein every day as it helps the muscles.”
yeah, i was referring to the whackjobs who get super obsessed and all they do is work out, talk about working out, prepare and eat meals, track calories, take steroids and/or herbal metabolism boosters (aka speed). really messes some people up. damages their bodies and changes their personalities. usually not for the better.
total agreement about the supplements and whey protein. most people are not getting enough nutrients and protein in their diets so they should be taking something and i take vitamin supplements and use whey protein myself.
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total agreement about the supplements and whey protein. most people are not getting enough nutrients and protein in their diets so they should be taking something and i take vitamin supplements and use whey protein myself.
Speaking of that, I recently stopped drinking mass gainer on gym days, so now I’m struggling to eat enough calories through regular food. It’s a chore.
It’s funny that people try hard to eat less calories. If they’d lift weights their problem would be the opposite. It’s about 35 calories per kilo body weight for me on gym days and the day after, after reading up a bit in Bodybuilding’s forum. Takes a lot of time.
Eating almonds helps though; one almond is seven calories, though the body will only use 6.2 of those calories as the rest are used for body heat. Nevertheless, that means 161 almonds equal 1,000 calories. Easier than eating yet another ten fried eggs.
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Studies have shown that testosterone in men is lowered when they live with a woman.
No, research (not several studies, one – gotta be accurate) shows that testosterone is lowered in men who have DAUGHTERS. Accuracy.
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Fun fact: a woman crying also temporarily reduces your testosterone.
When you can pass your girl’s shit tests when she has Mother Nature on her side then you’re on the right track.
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Another fun fact – a conquered nation will see slightly more girls being born, with male births being reduced. Girls having more survival value when a people’s men are a threat to be destroyed, I assume. Or maybe it is because the fathers’ testosterone is lowered from the humiliation of being conquered.
I would like to see if the same change in births is true for White Westerners today.
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i read a study saying that men who abstained from ejaculation reached peak t levels on day 7 which was 250% over normal levels
i tested it out myself and i felt like more of a man day by day. on day 7 i was driven, energetic and felt like a god.
try it out
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My surefire way (heh, pun unintended) of producing sons is to abstain for two weeks.
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All this theorizing is a waste of time. I can tell you from experience that exercise and lifting is the end all be all to healthy T-levels.
I used to work an extremely physical delivery job. I worked summers outside, there was plenty of heavy lifting. My life itself was non stop exercise. I was also in a LTR. I would destroy my girlfriend on average about 10 times a week and it never got old or less intense. I always had the need and always had the desire. This is on top of using porn several times a week whenever she was at work.
Stay active.
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Meh, I just know that if I don’t fap for 3 days I start considering banging fat chicks. Not worth it.
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LOL yeah I’ve broken a few hearts this way. Message some cum dumpster, then change my mind after a jerk, like “eww what was I thinking!”
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“My father’s wisdom has never failed me!” I laughed out loud. Good old lion king to the rescue. That should have been in the movie.
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Reminds me of a joke:
Guy is in bed, waiting for his gal to come into the bedroom so they can have sex.
Gal comes into the bedroom and stubs her toe on the bedpost.
Guy: “Awww… did my little boopsie-whoopsie hurt herself? C’mere and let daddy make it better.”
They make love and after they’re finished, the gal gets out of bed and heads towards the bathroom, and again stubs her toe.
Guy: “Clumsy bitch.”
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Reminds me of a joke:
Problem with that joke is it’s too easy to read the guy’s first statement as mocking her.
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Meh, I just know that if I don’t fap for 3 days I start considering banging fat chicks. Not worth it.
Or you could go sarging for moar hot chicks.
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Gallmon admitting to stabbing Messerschmitt three time and said initially that she stabbed him in self-defense. But during Thursday’s court appearance, when asked by the judge, she affirmed that her actions went beyond the force necessary to defend herself.
Investigators say Gallmon stabbed Messerschmitt seven times, including through the heart and liver. One of the stab wounds was 5 inches deep, breaking a bone in the spinal column and piercing a lung. His hands were bound together with zip ties and there was blood on the walls and floor in the hotel room where the two met.
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and the chick getting a plea and saying self defense when he got zip ties on his hands the fuck
yea my girl sent me a letter about she wants to do something special she learned in jail ill really like it but i got to be tied up
fuck that he he he
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girls today I mean cows today
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/fashion/young-women-say-no-to-thongs.html?_r=0
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And tradcons go, “Thongs are of the devil women should be as close to nuns as possible! Ideology at all times ’cause I ain’t getting any sex like the young folks!”
Screw both puritan tradcons and feminists. Not literally of course, no one wants to do that.
Say no to thongs – hmm, I wonder. I see plenty of thongs. What kind of girl would NOT have at least one thong today?
They could stop wearing yoga pants in public though, that just looks ridiculous. Sexy, but ridiculous. Gym pants are for the gym. And while we’re at it, they should stop doing yoga – it’s a racket. Wrapped in mystery to sound good. “But I get sweaty doing it!” Yeah, you could sit down and stand up for an hour and you’d get sweaty from that too, doesn’t mean it does you much good.
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Yoga is a racket. Haha. A passing fad I’m sure. Only been around for thousands of years. Yoga is great for building focus and strength. Also banging yoga chicks is top notch stuff.
[CH: a lot of yoga chicks are hot as fuck. best asses in the business.]
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In the US there are a lot of women who shouldn’t wear thongs.
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Yoga is a racket. Haha. A passing fad I’m sure. Only been around for thousands of years. Yoga is great for building focus and strength.
“Haha” What’s even funnier is how your only “argument” is that it’s “been around for thousands of years”. In fucking India, the sewer of Asia. Seen anything good come out of India? They were very scientific about how they did things in the past, right? Right? Didn’t think so. Poor boy. If you knew anything about yoga, you’d know that it was actually about sex, not exercise. It was supposed to get the non-existing “sexual forces” etc going, but in reality was a way for the yoga teachers to get women.
Maybe you think that Indian asketism must be the way to go too, since it’s been around for thousands of years. Go ahead and starve yourself and stick needles in your body. And eat rotting flesh from corpses in the Ganges while you’re at it. It’s an ancient practice, so it must be great.
“Building strength” – Sure, explain how exactly. Hmm, stretching limbs. Yeah, that builds muscle mass quickly and efficiently I’m sure.
“Building focus” – Ahh, there’s the confused Westerner believing in Oriental mysticism as usual. It’s too bad when rootless Americans can’t find the wisdom inherent in ancient European ways, and instead goes where Hollywood leads him by the nose.
“[CH: a lot of yoga chicks are hot as fuck. best asses in the business.]”
So fucking what? They’re young women. And they’re dressing in tight clothes, the ones who are most prone to do that are – those who are slim. Same as most who do bellydancing will be slim. That doesn’t mean bellydancing is an efficient way to make the belly slimmer.
Oh, sure, you move instead of sitting still, both in bellydancing and yoga. So the “better than nothing” argument can always be used. As it is for so many things when people lack arguments.
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Porn and regular masturbation rots your mind and saps your will to power. Even regular sex makes you less energetic. The reason for this is because sex is a reward for success at life; therefore masturbation short circuits the brains reward centers like a drug. There is a reason why the Jou controlled pop culture and psychiatry industries have normalized porn and masturbation, because it weakens our young men’s drive and manhood making them apathetic rather than aggressive and virile.
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Production of testosterone and sperm is a prime function of the body as reproduction is the highest imperative after eating and survival. Every batch of semen must be as good as possible because in nature you never know when the chance will come to impregnate a female, therefore your body expends maximum energy on producing it. When you repeatedly throw it away, your body is expending all possible energy nutrients to replace it as fast as possible, making you sluggish and lazy. Porn is another beast altogether; it can cause sexual dysfunction and perversion. Bottom line, if you want to reach your full potential, abstain from unnecessary wanking.
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Check out the big brain on DP….
So according to your logic, if I fuck Lena Dunham it strengthens my sex drive and manhood making me aggressive and virile rather than apathetic and weak?
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If you keep it under 40 times a night
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You’re a stupid kaffir and noone gives a fuck what you think. How about that
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Nah, if you fucked lena dumpham you’d merely be illustrating the “one drop” rule.
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if I fuck Lena Dunham
Take it easy on the hypotheticals there, t-w-h-a-c-k…
Even Ms. Dunham has her standards.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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http://www.fredoneverything.net/Ballmer2.shtml
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Love Fred. Great read.
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“Case Two: Again at Columbia, we have one Sara Grace Powell, who was distressed because the Butler Library is named for an (Ugh!) man, presumably one Mr. Butler. Quoth Sara, ‘Butler is an extremely charged space — the names emblazoned on the stone facade are, for me, a stimulant for resistance.’”
However, if that last picture really is of Sara (which I have some trouble believing), I’d say she could still be saved by a proper education.
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This one killed me:
“College kids used to be occasionally silly because they were practicing to be adults and didn’t have the hang of it. Now they prepare for a lifetime in the tenth grade.”
I put up quotes at my cubicle. This one’s going up next week.
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Gotta love CH’s Twitter feed.
This is true, from the article:
In particular, the Seboard recoils at the idea of self-defense which it finds frightening, macho, and mentally unbalanced. If attacked by fifty er, teens—well, that doesn’t really happen, the New York Times says so, and anyway it only happens to other people, and if someone crawls in your window at three a.m., well, it only happens to other people. The New York Times says so.
The Center has, not always consciously, a pool-hall understanding of life, a recognition that bad things can happen, a depression and horrific “civil unrest,” cancer, losing a job with no other in sight, plague, getting the hell beaten ouf of you for no reason, riots, or civil war. “Life’s a bitch, and then you die.”
That’s why leftists don’t like the thought of men lifting weights, and especially not men owning guns, regardless of the fact that hundreds of thousands of men and women are saved from robbery, rape, beatings and murder every year by owning a gun, in 95 percent of cases without having to fire a shot. They hate the thought of violence and want anything reminiscent of it to go away. It’s irrational to criticize even that which defends against violence, but they do so without thinking. Like children. It’s like not owning an umbrella because they remind you of rain, and you don’t want rain.
Also, they hate the thought of ordinary people acting independently, because that could lead to evil capitalism and racism. All decisions should go through a leftist state.
Fred Reed’s assertion here is backed up by research, which shows that conservatives are more aware of threats in their surroundings. While leftists are more eager to “find new experiences”. Like little children.
Leftist Whites would die within a year if conservative Whites disappeared. While conservative Whites (and nations) would have their lives improved in a myriad of ways if leftists disappeared.
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His description of The Center was beautiful. It’s so simple and yet that’s pretty much it. Shit happens, you manage how best you can. (Cosmic indifference, as I heard someone once say.) You can’t micromanage everything to the n-th level. There’s only one size fits all and that’s the damn planet. And even that’s not enough!
Dennis Miller had once echoed something I had been thinking with regards to the NFL: the way the NFL now, is a microcosm of the nation. They’re examining every play with a fine tooth comb, get everything “correct,” that by doing so, they’re making everything worse.
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i cant help but mention there were 69 comments at my time of reading this post
heh
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I experimented with this the last few days.
It helps you do better even in school work.
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/hitler-was-beta/
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actually saving up now for the next three days till my chick gets out he he he
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“Triple lindy”
Much respect!
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Stay. The. Fuck. Away. From. Sugar. That is all.
And if you can go hunting, do so.
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I agree, sugar is quite bad.
It is difficult to avoid completely but the longer I go without sugary food, the better I feel, the more energy I have, the better I sleep etc etc
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Hands down one of the best discussions I’ve seen at the Chateau. This is gold for young men especially.
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Testosterone must be costly to the male to produce
High testosterone leads to stress since you’ll want to beat the crap out of some idiot that deserves it, but you don’t want to do so enough to have to kill the cop that will show up after 911 is called. This is why high T is costly to men – if you’re free to off those that annoy you, you’re good…
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allthough having wet nut on my dick and cum from another chick seems to turn other chicks on
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Just Saying,
you bring up an important point that is rarely mentioned
high t is even more of a ‘peacock principle’ handicap than it was in earlier times and it is precisely because of the energy one with high t must expend suppressing their t-modulated urges in a society where even an insensitive opinion is all but illegal
the majority of men today have low t precisely because its energy efficient, and the path of least resistance, on a cellular level
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“Hardcore porn may trick the male brain into recognizing that solitary onanistic spurt arced over the flicker of a sexy 2D babe as the culmination of a real life reproductive success.”
no, it can’t, at least not for me. i cum a lot less when fapping, the body knows.
haven’t fapped for some 40 days once due to circumstances, when i finally did, it was watery and yellow, it looked useless.
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haven’t fapped for some 40 days once due to circumstances
Chained to the wall upside down in a dungeon? I hate it when that happens. Unless there’s a chick in leather it’s just a waste of time.
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you are eerily close.
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Nah my bet is on broken dick. It’s an unpleasant place to be and 40 days is the length of the standard visit IIRC.
Don’t keep us in suspense anon.
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World Cup to change countries.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-28/putin-slams-us-over-fifa-arrests-another-blatant-attempt-america-meddle-outside-its-
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well after reading about another beating in baltimore i guess it is time to get high as fuck
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maybe i can get jumped going to my buds house
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Interesting research. I’ve now got a rotation of 2-3 girls. I’m getting banged regularly. Until I became busy at work, I was banging 3 girls in a week to the point I was literally drained.
The result: more laid back, more calm about things—especially matters relating to women, more productive, not blowing up at every cab driver who took a wrong turn. I was actually sore from all that banging and had to take a break to rejuvenate.
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We should have a contest on who can remain master of his own domain the longest.
I believe we can all feel comfortable within the confines of the honor system.
Any ladies want to participate, you’ll have to give us double… no, triple odds.
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If you’re allowed to get off between a woman’s legs during this contest I’m in. Literally.
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Four days, T is raging. It is good. On the fifth day, there is hardware discomfort turning into pain. That’s my limit.
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*slams money on the counter*
I’m out!
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Thread-winnah! I can always count on mendazatorres to not let a jest fall… eh, flaccid.
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It’s funny how many Seinfeld references can be found in these comments, particularly from Smegma Eliot. Considering the ethnicity and all that.
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What are you, some kind of antisemite?
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The whole Idea of back boobs makes the vomit come up. I think that back boobs has more of a nauseating effect than a funky stink hole.
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Then there’s the issue of male microchimerism in human females.
Fascinating stuff…a long term partner can leave fragments of his DNA permanently circulating in a woman’s body (repeated sperm exposure). It also happens via pregnancy with male children, their DNA can remain in the mother for several decades following birth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3458919/
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I don’t know about the testosterone aspect of it, but I can say FOR SURE that abstaining from masturbation/pornography will make you sharper and stronger. Lust is a sin and sin will eat you up. It psychologically depletes you, humiliates you, and shows that you are not in control.
The knightly code of avoiding the 7 deadly sins is good for your health and manliess.
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Jesus H Christ you sound like a fucking priest. Go home, those 8 year old boys aren’t going to molest themselves.
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Avaunt, impious fool.
His strength was as the strength of ten, because his heart was pure.
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He is right though. Lust is nasty, as is porn/fapping.
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If lust is such a terrible thing then the Chateau itself must be evil, teaching us as it does how to satisfy our shared lust for hot 21 year old women.
If lust = sin I’ll happily reserve myself the honeymoon suite in hell first thing tomorrow. Any deity that filled my sack with T yet expects me to keep it in my pants either has a fantastic sense of humour or none at all.
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/lust-is-love/
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If lust is such a terrible thing then the Chateau itself must be evil, teaching us as it does how to satisfy our shared lust for hot 21 year old women.
Except he doesn’t teach you “how to satisfy” an urge. He teaches you how to exacerbate it and become enslaved by it. He shows you how to rub an itch raw until it is infected.
When you get the urge to shit, you don’t have to squat where you are. You can hold it until you find a commode. Those who insist you don’t shit in the street aren’t calling the final act of the digestion process “a terrible thing.” They are advocating hygiene.
“Lust” properly defined means the overindulgence of a good thing. It means being unable to keep from masturbating, which is the essence of what you worship — purposeless friction.
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If lust = sin I’ll happily reserve myself the honeymoon suite in hell first thing tomorrow. Any deity that filled my sack with T yet expects me to keep it in my pants either has a fantastic sense of humour or none at all.
That deity doesn’t expect you to “keep it in [your] pants.” He expects you not to rain jizz everywhere and on everything like a berserk mongoloid. He expects you to apply some forethought to what you are sticking your dick into.
You are an obese glutton, only your vice isn’t food, it’s crotch frottage.
And you already are in hell. When you well and truly realize that, you’ll understand what I’m saying.
Matt
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I’m afraid your shitting analogy is rather flawed. First, because we build toilets everywhere – on every floor of every building, in every train carriage – because we know the need to shit should be exercised as soon and as often as needed. We recognise that it is not the acceptance of the need to shit that causes health problems, but the denial of the need that does. And so it is with lust. Fulfilling your need for carnal satisfaction is healthy; denying it is not.
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And second, not shitting in the street has some blindingly obvious advantages and no drawbacks compared to the rather simple alternative of walking ten metres to the nearest toilet. By contrast, for someone who wraps it before he taps it and doesn’t put any stock in your fiery underworld fairytale, there are no clear disadvantages to abstinence and a metric fucktonne of enjoyable perks to getting my end away as and when I see fit.
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You’re not merely barking up the wrong tree. You’re in entirely the wrong forest, friend.
P.S. ‘“Lust” properly defined means the overindulgence of a good thing. It means being unable to keep from masturbating…’ Sorry to disappoint but lust is defined in 3 words: strong sexual desire. Put the “””Good Book””” down and check the dicktionary. I don’t permit feminists to rewrite the established definitions of words to suit their personal crusades and I shan’t let you either.
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What is the best way to “ask” for anal sex?
Say, “Ooops”!!!
Then pull out and spray her girly bits altogether.
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Asking forgiveness is easier than permission.
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[…] It’s biomechanical feedback loops all the way down. Reader chris forwards a study that examined the relationship between testosterone levels and mating success. […]
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“There are two legit pro-fap arguments to be made. This one, and the idea that a pre-date fap will relax and imbue a man with that aloof and indifferent alpha male aura chicks dig (as explored in Something About Mary).”
Interestingly, Rollo’s advice is the exact polar opposite of the one given here at the Chateau. Why does the manosphere have to contradict itself like this?
“Even if you’ve never seen the film, it’s likely you’re at least peripherally aware of the Beta Game principle Dom is explaining here. Can you spot the inconsistency?
“.. you’re thinking like a girl, and girls love that.” No, they don’t. Sorry Dom, they want a loaded gun.
Desexualization as Game is one of the primary mistakes betas make. This is the ‘Something About Mary’ effect; the presumption that your biological impulse to desire sex is a hinderance to getting sex. From a rational standpoint this is ridiculous, but betas eat this idea up because it dovetails nicely into their misguided sexual conditioning that assumes like attracts like – identify more with the feminine to be more attractive to the feminine.”
[CH: i didn’t say i necessarily agreed with, or advocated for, the pro-fap arguments i presented here for discussion. i’d advise you to cease and desist this “let’s you and him fight” trolling. capice?
as far as “desexualizing” goes, a lot of inexperienced betas do trip over themselves when their horny levels cloud their thinking. yes, an experienced man can balance his lust with his composure, but younger betas might find it helpful to take the edge off before a first date. it’s the long game.]]
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@ YaReally, HABD, Sentient and all…another story to share and advice to seek.
So I’ve now got 4 girls in rotation, the one I’m spending most time with is the 21 year old exchange student. We bang regularly and she stays over, it’s been quite good…or so I thought.
The other day she comes over for dinner before we’re set to go out. She’s her perky self, dressed up. We eat, it’s all good, lots of teasing and fun. We start making out, then I take her to my bed and bang her…then…she starts to get angry…claiming I’m too selfish and didn’t last long enough for her.
Huh? “I hate you!” she says. I say “I hate you more…times 27”. She gets up and walks into the other room, I lay there. She’s shuffling around and sits down on the sofa. I come over. She really is pissed. It’s bizarre. “Do you want to talk about THIS?” she asks. I’m laughing partly at her attitude and partly in disbelief that this girl who claims i’m the second guy to bang her is such an expert in male sexuality.
“What’s there to talk about?”
“Equality…it’s not just about your needs…” she says.
“this isn’t a negotiation” I laugh. She glares at me.. this is freaking me out but I keep staring at her.
“You should be more experienced!” she says.
“Wow…” I say.
“What do you have to say?” she asks after a pregnant pause.
“I think you should leave…right now…I’ve had it with that disrespect, just go” I say.
She gets up and leaves. I then notice she’s somehow collected all her make up crap and nighty in the process.
A couple of things: 1) All women ARE crazy…even this one who seemed so cool and chill. 2) I didn’t supplicate….in fact my proudest moment was telling her to get out 3) I didn’t follow her out or get up…I just said “I will not put up with that disrespect” as she walked out.
I went out….met one of the other girls I’m banging. We made arrangements for her to cook for me. Another girl texted me and is trying to make time tomorrow. I don’t get this. But forget about whatever “this” is…telling her to get out was a game changer for me. I didn’t know what was happening but all I could think of was…get out of my house…no swearing. I was cool and controlled. Thoughts?
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Even if you never see her again, that was impressive. It’s good to see someone with the fortitude to tell a hot girl to piss off if she’s being rude.
But I’d say she’ll contact you again, if I had to bet.
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@Benson it’s been an interesting year so far. The one hot 27 year old I was banging up til April—called me an “aging sex addict”. The 29 year old teacher I bang who now says she misses my “witty remarks and charming smiles” shit tested me by showing me a screen grab of an online outreach to her friend. She squirted the first time I banged her.
This 21 year old, I’m speechless at how she flipped on me. I would not have thought this but it’s a good learning….AWALT. Managing this craziness takes skill. If I hadn’t had previous experiences with crazy ex gf in similar situations I would never have known how to navigate this. We could do a post a “Navigating crazy”. Don’t get emotional, don’t start probing “why why why?” Keep calm, if it gets too much, ask her to leave. If you’re there out, pay for whatever you’re having and leave.
Girls’ emotions are like storms, they erupt, pass, it gets messy, then they pass. The damage left behind by these her-acanes is proportional to how prepared you are.
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“Managing this craziness takes skill”
My crazy almost did me in. Thank God for the reset. One of my favorite lines I use now is “This conversation is over.” From my top 3 movies ‘Fight Club’. Freakin amazing how good it works. My crazy looks at me with jaw dropped and talking stops. Has worked every time.
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wala
nice frame control. i think you handled it appropriately…just ask this question – how else is she supposed to try to get ‘hand’ or to get you to chase her?…
it’s just another shit test (even if it did seem nuclear…) not knowing the whole situ, i’d guess that leading up to her blow up you put out some beta vibes/supplication…or somehow ‘second placed’ her against the other girls you are seeing…
rereading this…”the one I’m spending most time with is the 21 year old exchange student. We bang regularly and she stays over, ” AND “collected all her make up crap and nighty in the process.” (so, she was keeping stuff at your place?…lol) = bf/provider role…which lead to the blowup/testing…
you’ll have to let her find her way back to you (she probably will)…and then manage your time and ‘storage issues’ with her more diligently…
good luck!
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excellent analysis HABD, as always.
Wala – you are single guy… you have game… you don’t need to win them all. Delete her number, blank her. It’s justa whole lotta crazy going forward with her otherwise. and for what? Just another fungible vajajay…
Live long and have FUN!
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@Benson I was truly shocked…first I laughed. Then I realized something truly bizarre was happening. So without asking further questions, when she said “What do you have to say to this?” I just said: “Wow”. Paused, then “I don’t like the way you’re talking to me. I think you should just leave”.
Then I went out and met up with another girl I’m banging and we made plans.
@HABD where did this come from? If I was going to guess, I would have thought the other two were crazier. The one other one I bang regularly whom I met online showed me a screen grab of an outreach I apparently sent to one of her friends. I just laughed if off and said “Don’t be jealous, you’re here now.”
I didn’t contact 21 year old and she didn’t reach out to me. It was totally out of character for her to be this kind of drama queen. Also for someone this inexperienced to be lecturing me was truly bizarre. But I kept thinking: 1) don’t get defensive. 2) Don’t get drawn into an explanation 3) tell her point blank this is unacceptable behavior and ask her to leave.
For a guy dealing with co-dependence issues all his life, asking a 21 year old nubile babe to get out is a big step.
Of course she’ll be back. They always come back. I’m just not sure what I would do. You’ll recall the 23 year old depressed actress who pulled something similar? I see her all the time out, she gives me the big puppy dog eyes, but wants me to engage her, she won’t engage me. 8 months later I still haven’t. Any thoughts on this nuclear shit test? Yah she had her stuff at my place. We went out and had great times. What would motivate a girl to just do a 180 like that? Go from sweet to nuts? We had taken photos of us cooking earlier that night. Whatever it was, i couldn’t engage. I had to kick her out. For that, I’m thankful for understanding game.
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@Benson I was truly shocked…first I laughed. Then I realized something truly bizarre was happening. So without asking further questions, when she said “What do you have to say to this?” I just said: “Wow”. Paused, then “I don’t like the way you’re talking to me. I think you should just leave”.
Then I went out and met up with another girl I’m banging and we made plans…For a guy dealing with co-dependence issues all his life, asking a 21 year old nubile babe to get out is a big step.
After having my balls stomped on earlier this year because I mishandled a similar situation, your story is very encouraging. It’s also funny to see you explain that you knew what she was doing and how to react, even though you didn’t know what was motivating her bitchiness. It reminds me of when I first started spotting shit tests for what they are.
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@Benson the other learning from this episode is a girl calling a guy selfish in bed and demanding “equality” is actually hilarious. When I think of me instinctively saying “It’s not a negotiation…” I laugh.
But the real learning is that you have to have more than one girl on the go at any given time. I have 3 others that I see when we’re both available.
So the ball busting drama is a drag but bouncing back isn’t a chore.
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I have 3 others that I see when we’re both available. So the ball busting drama is a drag but bouncing back isn’t a chore.
How long did it take you to build up a rotation? Since I started approaching regularly, I’m, like, 3-for-30 in terms of number closes. Kind of exhausting.
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@Benson It’s taken me 8 months to build up a rotation. Two of the girls including this one are leaving for work or whatever. One, a 25 year old nanny came back after getting weird and disappearing. She just suddenly contacted me out of the blue a few weeks ago and I banged her again. They kind of pop in and out. Drama is no fun but recognizing it for what it is and being prepared to stand up to it means you have to have some other options.
I think back to 2 years ago when crazy was doing this same stuff. I handled it badly because I was locked into her. The freedom afforded by “abundance” is liberating. But it takes time.
All the girls are 7’s or above, cute or hot in their own way. Definitely not girls you’d be embarrassed to be seen with.
Also, banging younger girls in their 20’s when you’re in your 40’s is a high-stakes game. You’ve got to expect the unexpected and calibrate accordingly. I’ve learned my lessons painfully. This is a bump in the road. She will be back, they always come back. How long they stay is a factor of your game.
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@HABD/Sentient radio silence from this girl and I’ve carried on as normal banging one of my other ones.
Yes, she was keeping stuff at my place. I hadn’t noticed her packing it up. I think…she was making a lot noise trying to draw my attention to it.
The whole thing seemed completely out of character for what has up to now been a totally chill, laid back, positive girl.
I don’t know what set her off…my agree and amplifying (I hate you too…) seemed to set her off even more.
But when I realized she was serious about it…that’s when I said: “This isn’t a negotiation…” and then “I don’t like how you’re talking to me….disrespectful. I think you better leave, now”. In a low, calm manner.
It’s a high-stakes game with these hot girls. High reward but also high risk. I hadn’t realized how important it is to keep your cool in these situations and not engage in crazy-making conversations.
Will update on this if anything of interest takes place. It’s a good learning for you guys.
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Walawala, you handled it very well. Obviously you are in a position most guys have never been in which makes it easier to let her know you won’t put up with that. Was she the squirter? Also was this the one that said you need to work on your technique? When I read that my first thought was rise to the challenge and before you put it in just fist the shit out of her until she is exhausted. Anyway…
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@Putin yes, that was the one. We went for drinks a few weeks ago and she asked me: “What do you think of ‘feminism’?” To which I replied…”It’s bullshit…equality in the workplace is a legal issue but when it comes to the sexes man leads, woman follows.” She was kind of taken aback. So this “equality” nonsense I think is some type of shit-test. Otherwise we got along just fine.
But…I also see how quickly a crazy girl can turn. One minute we’re making out, taking photos, cooking…next minute she’s packing up her stuff and I’m telling her to get out…First world problem for sure.
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yeah, no offense to you walawala but Putin touched on something here. she was pissed that you didn’t last long enough and said you should be more experienced. that means she wasn’t satisfied.
part of the allure for young girls when dealing with older guys is thinking that you know your way around a woman and so much of what turns a girl on is mental. that’s probably why she’s was squirting right off the bat. she was excited about what was to come thinking you had loads of experience pleasing women in the sack. then when she isn’t getting satisfied like she expects to, her image of you as a masterful, experienced, older man is shattered. girls hate it when you don’t live up to their fantasies. it sounds like that’s what happened here.
a lot of guys will say that it’s all about your own needs and that’s partly true. you don’t want to spend all your time placating the girl and working to please her instead of yourself BUT you do have to get her off occasionally or she’s gonna get frustrated and bored and do the kinds of things that this girl just did.
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@88 I agree totally with what you’re saying on a logical level, but what’s happening here is on a much more primitive emotional level. Firstly I told her to get waxed to increase her pleasure and mine. She refused. Ok…she kept asking lots of questions about this: why won’t I go down on her etc…I kept my position on this.
Also because she’s so new to this, a few times it was so painful for her I had to stop. Fair enough. That’s all part of the exploration. Remember…girls don’t want to accept responsibility for their own behaviours or actions…they want a clear reason to submit. This is where I think the struggle for her is coming from. Either that or she’s got Cluster B traits that include emotional instability and mood lability. But up to now I hadn’t seen this. She seemed quite together and mature.
We spent a lot of time together and it seemed to be all positive.
Suddenly she flips out, says she hates me, says I’m selfish, demands “equality”, says she’s been pretending to enjoy it blah blah blah.
For that…it’s NOT a discussion a guy wants to or should have with ANY girl. This is drama pure and simple. For me to even entertain a conversation about this is suicide: “oh ok, I’ll try to do better next time…”?
As I see this, it’s a switch in her mind determining whether or not she wants to continue. This primitive reflex to “blame” me is a very severe shit-test.
IF this is really about satisfying her, she needs to know that if she follows me, I’m in a position to dominate her in every way.
So, the ONLY move in this chess game is to reframe it, tell her point blank I don’t like how she’s talking to me and ask her to leave.
What’s the downside? She leaves and never comes back…oh well. But if as I suspect she’ll come back on some pretext, then I have to make it clear that moving forward it’s on my terms.
This is not a “logical” discussion about sexual satisfaction, it’s a primeval discussion about who leads and who follows….that’s why the word “equality” came up in this.
By contrast…one of the other girls I bang can’t get enough. Another girl I had to let go called me an “aging sex addict”….
This isn’t a problem with my staying power or sexual prowess, if it was, all these girls would be saying the same thing. I’m getting very different responses but the consensus seems to be “you’re a sexual guy and i’m ok/anxious/curious/uncertain/whatever about that”.
HABD refers to this as a “nuclear shit test”. A run of the mill “dating advice” column may suggest “talk it out with your partner”. But a game blog is really about a deeper, more primitive dynamic or women seeking a more powerful guy who they can submit to on any level.
For many of these girls, sex is not a deal-breaker. They’re all about comfort, about rapport. I’ve mixed all of these with this girl. She’s ok with the comfort part and the attraction is strong…now it’s being tested. With these girls it’s pass/fail. Keeping cool= pass. Asking her to leave=pass. Discussing with her=submitting to her=fail.
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Can we settle this once and for all?: should men eat püssy or not?
[CH: some women are so hot and smell so good that the urge to eat her out will be irresistible. if that’s your situation, the answer to your question is rendered moot.]
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It’s also about androgen receptor density, after orgasm, in the area of the brain related to male-specific sexual behavior.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031938405003161
Orgasms – sex or no – turn your balls off. Best is sex without O, worst is solo wanking. Stastically, libs wank more, conservatives sex more, prudes reproduce more.
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