As men get older, or as their social circles enlarge to include women of various ages, they’ll encounter a particular breed of aging beauty who at once provokes pity, annoyance and fascination. She is the eternal ingenue who has aged out of her most intoxicating years, but hasn’t aged enough to realize it. That window of time when awareness hasn’t yet caught up to reality in the Ingenue’s mind is what I call the Hag Lag.
There isn’t a man who has lived a day in his life who won’t recognize the eternal ingenue, or that moment in time when she is stricken by Hag Lag. At her prettiest and most coltish, she weaves allure like Rumplestiltskin did gold. Flouncy, bouncy and announce-y, she knows how to make an entrance, cast an entrancement, and devise an entrapment. She is usually petite, lithe, and ultrafeminine, so few men can resist skipping the LP on their mental pabulum straight to the triple X track the ingenue wants them to hear. (Naturally, she will deny deny deny ever inciting men in this way… it’s just her being her!)
Her female friends hate to love her. They envy her super female-ness and the ardor with which she expresses it, but they love the side benefits of being around her (more high value men). Her taken friends are especially cautious in her company. They see the laser eyes their boyfriends make in the ingenue’s direction.
It’s high drama until, one day, after something relentlessly wicked has crept up on her, the ingenue’s antics assume the maniachromatic tinge of undignified desperation. She has aged, and the graceful lines of her face, so delicately drawn with the sole intent of arousing men to stupendous idiocy, crater against the onslaught. She has none of the physical fortitude of earthier women to withstand even the first ticks of the tock. Her surrender is quick and merciless.
This age of Wall approach roughly corresponds to the late 20s-early 30s, give or take a few five-mimosa brunches in her past. The ingenue parties hardy, and swoons ecstatically, so you might say she has a fast strife history.
But, mentally, she doesn’t know it, or accept it. The eternal ingenue is nothing if not self-confident. Many years can pass and mock her as she struggles to cope with the loss of her only, definitive, power. This is what makes the Hag Lag a concept in tragicomedy. There she is, still doing her early 20s act, but the body and face betray the ruse. She dances and prances, kicking Klieg lights in her direction, and the wet joyous eyes once framed by delectable plush skin now strain in sad sockets, sunken, dry, and a little deranged.
She will eventually come around to her loss, but not before she has humiliated herself to the delight of romantically settled friends. God save her. She bears this punishment as penance for her short, glorious stint filling the world of men with desire and longing to merge with her larger-than-life feminine soul.
lzolzzlzozz great post. This is exactly what I’m talking about when mentioning the women of online dating sites aged 34-37. Yep. I’m talking the former 8s who don’t realize they are not 25 anymore. Or they do realize it, but try to pretend they are happy. Their profiles are hilarious. That generation has been lied to their entire lives, and I really think they do not yet fully realize just how bad they are going to have it when they are alone and childless at 45 to 50.
Lithe indeed.
http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2009/nov/25/tamara-rojo
Mid 30s.
I like her, she’s funny and self-deprecating. Plus, it’s subtle but you can tell from the photo that she knows full well she was never terribly pretty in the face.
The day she realizes it is often her 30th birthday which she spends with some guests who were invited to her pity-party. It’s hilarious!
Like a clay target that has just reached apogee, they hang suspended, unmoving for a few milliseconds, and like a clay, it is that briefest of instants when they can be powdered with ease while they’re still worth shooting.
Are they? I’d say we’re talking about a woman who is already past her sell-by date. A better simile might be Wile E. Coyote, when he has just dashed off a cliff but takes a minute to realize it and begin plummeting.
I know such a woman. She admits her denouement came upon her, as she said, with staggering suddenness. The one thing I don’t get is the relish with which CH contemplates their fate….
Because they’re annoying, troublemaking cunts. Grown women trying to be cute is irritating.
Because they punished betas for 20 years and either failed to have children or did but divorced the father at age 35, becoming the sainted “single mother” after stupidly believing the divorce fantasy that they could UPGRADE their husband or have a better single sex life at at 38.
People being burned by their own hubris is amusing to some people. It is to me.
The last paragraph…damn.
Poetry.
So what’s the male equivalent?
Overconfident beyond reason, swaggering away oblivious to social cue? Entitlement complex?
Or is that all the better for guys…
Wearing your baseball cap backward in your thirties. Saying “bro”.
But of course, men age better than women because, for one thing, age elongates the face, which makes a person look not only older but substantially less feminine. An elongated face makes a woman look masculine, while for men it is not such a big deal.
This of course doesn’t prevent a man from making a fool of himself by acting as if he was a teen.
The 50 y/o spraytan man who dresses and acts like he’s 22.
Very rarely see this. 37 year old hags who are the female creepers, however, are legion.
Oh God. My company went up against one of these douches on an energy contract bid last summer at an electroplating company. He had a spray tan and rings on 6 fingers like some mafioso creep.
Too bad I’m the young CEO/owner and the decision maker was a cute punk rock girl in her late 30s. Guess how that one ended up?
@themanofmystery2
Funny. 😀
Live fast. Die young. Leave a pretty corpse.
Another take is the dude in “Margharitaville.”
Yet another is the high school football star forever living that Big Game touchdown, now with his aging pauch.
Yes some men live the same trajectory.
Just the variety of the human experience. CH sounds a little butt hurt from getting burned by one such woman.
“CH sounds a little butt hurt from getting burned by one such woman.”
thought the same thing
don’t blame him though. those eternal ingenues are a weakness of mine and i’ve been burned more than once by one.
If anyone got his butt hurt it would be the meme-spouting leftist. It’s all the rage in your circles to ram a dildo up your ass to prove you’re not “homophobic”, isn’t it? Explains why your mind would go there.
There is no male equivalent. Observe how deep the sexual-equality rot goes into your brain for thinking so.
Women can look good into their 50s if they take care to take care. Many examples of this. Feminism has shot women’s desire to be beautiful.
No.
Yes, and they should strive to look good always. Obviously a 50 year old woman is not as physically desirable as a 25 year old, but that doesn’t mean she should just give up on her appearance.
I am an ingénue type and the older women like me that I know are still feminine and attractive (takes extra work, I’m sure) AND are still pulling plenty of male attention… from age appropriate men, of course. I think the key here is aging gracefully and managing expectations. The “ingénue” described in this post sounds like an aging party girl who’s still hitting the clubs in bodycon and flirting with bouncers ten years her junior. Of course she looks desperate. The real ingénues know how to flirt demurely in varied contexts, with all different types of men. And they know when to sit quietly and not flirt at all.
There is no “hag lag” for well-adjusted women. Une femme d’un certain âge should be well-invested in by her patron, who has known her since her ingenue days, and who still sees that fresh face despite the new wrinkles.
A woman’s flirting at that point is chiefly about reminding him of her younger, peak self, who is less and less visible to the outside world. Beyond her husband, her flirtation with those who were not there at her apogee necessarily must transform itself. A wistful and even sad nostalgia for past days of glory can be beautiful in an older woman. It establishes a reconnection in her eyes when she was on top of the world, but now is wise enough to know about the limits of attractions. A man will be able to see where those youthful attractions once were if she behaves honestly about their disappearance, and that is more of a consolation than it may sound to the cougar who is terrified of letting go.
It all begins with “gracefully … managing expectations” that comes with wisdom.
Matt
Une femme d’un âge certain. Adjectives almost always come after the noun in French.
Google Translate doesn’t tell you everything.
Lol no they can’t.
I agree. I had my make up done by a manager at Bobbi brown make up. She was gorgeous. She was half German and half Spanish and was 50 (to my shock) had been married 10 years with a 17 year old daughter. She was telling me that men her age only want to date women 35 and younger. I don’t get how a mature male could pass this woman up. Her body was amazing plus looks like she has a boob job. Sure there were some fine lines around her eyes but you could tell she took very good care of herself. Honestly she was more beautiful than some 20 and 30 something women I’ve seen.
Not all women are dumpy and horrid looking in their 50s. The ones who have taken good care of themselves look amazing.
Boob jobs are not attractive. More proof women know nothing of what attracts us.
You don’t get it because of projecting your hopefulness and not realizing that a mature man can GET younger than 35 women easily so he has no reason to settle for a 50 YO.
I don’t really have a problem with older women. I prefer younger and my wife is much younger than me, but I see many older women I could get with and have been with. No regrets or shame at all. Take it for what it is and enjoy the ride. My experiences were all positive.
Because we can date younger women so there’s no point in settling in the same sense there was no point for the high-school girls I fucked to hang out with my college self while they had access to perfectly ok high-school seniors. Sure, those guys didn’t have awesome party friends, didn’t know regulars in a couple of clubs, didn’t know drug dealers, didn’t have their own cars, but hey, they were on the basketball team. lol.
The reality though is that there’s not just the looks aspect. Younger women are more inexperienced and enthusiastic which makes them more appealing to me and I assume to other men as well. I won’t care at 55 to put up with a woman going through menopause and her looks collapsing altogether just like I don’t care now. And if I’ll want to get a family in my mid 40s, it won’t be with a woman over 35. If a woman wants a relationship, she should think of how many years of quality she offers to the man she wants the relationship with.
Women can look good into their 50s
… compared to women their age or older.
Compared to non-obese women their age or older. FTFY
“All children, except one, grow up. They soon know that they will grow up, and the way Wendy knew was this. One day when she was two years old she was playing in a garden, and she plucked another flower and ran with it to her mother. I suppose she must have looked rather delightful, for Mrs Darling put her hand to her heart and cried, ‘Oh, why can’t you remain like this for ever!’ This was all that passed between them on the subject, but henceforth Wendy knew that she must grow up. You always know after you are two. Two is the beginning of the end.”
–J.M. Barrie, Peter Pan
Two is the beginning of the end. Harsh words, but this is a refreshing thing about the authors of the past, that they didn’t pamper the reader. CH is picking up a time-honored tradition.
La petite ingenue, I do think she ages better than most, simply because she is small and slim. Being small means you eat less and age slower, which is why women live longer than men. (Or as someone here said, “No, they live longer because they don’t have wives.”)
But it is tragic when the ingenue does age, because she is, indeed, a delicate and bright pixie. I mostly date petite girls because they are delightful. I recall starting to learn game long ago so I wouldn’t have to settle for anything fatter than that.
Damn the shiv is strong here. Steve Sailer once wrote that the SPLC and others of that pathetic ilk wouldn’t put you on their “lists” , because the response could be brutal. Another example.
I also suspect that they don’t want to draw the public’s attention to CH on account of the strength of the writing.
A literary cleaver of truth. sometimes the writing is astonishing. well done..
What might that response be?
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/is-a-blubbering-inner-party-leftoid-trying-to-silence-chateau-heartiste/
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/mainstream-feminist-outlets-try-to-bury-their-association-with-hugo-schwyzer/
Last one is napalm.
Think: jiu jitsu.
Ha! The creature has some cunning, and knows when to hide.
” Kevin Conboy @alternatekev · Dec 20
I learned this at the beginning of last year. When Internet hate wants to tear you down, “just don’t engage” http://gawker.com/justine-sacco-is-good-at-her-job-and-how-i-came-to-pea-1653022326 …”
“Internet hate” lol, like it’s just out there, like the weather, waiting ..
.. easier on the ego than admitting getting bitchslapped, by finer minds.
And he’s shaved it off, craftily changing his appearance by emphasising the strabismus.
.@alexkingorg pic.twitter.com/e5HdlBR9M0
— Kevin Conboy (@alternatekev) November 3, 2014
Oh, give me a break, fanboys. You do yourselves and your cause no favors by imputing reasons of intimidation and sophisticated “jiujitsu” to your enemies when Occam’s Razor will do quite nicely. Don’t rationalize away the cause’s relative unpopularity — it will only keep you as insular as you are now.
It’s a hard pill to swallow that the enemy doesn’t know who you are. But there are advantages to obscurity, especially during these inchoate years of figuring out just what you are aiming for and how precisely to achieve it. The worst thing you can do is underestimate the challenge by pretending they’re too scared to engage you. You’re not fooling anyone except yourselves.
Matt
I am curious. Did you think that short, unrelated, fact-less video would help your argument? Or did you just put it there to draw people’s attention to your post? It’s the latter, isn’t it?
Men not knowing how to make girls feel attraction and dumbasses marrying the girls we fuck in their 20s after we’re done with them isn’t really a negative for us, you know?
You really are a blight.
Do you have Narcissistic Personality Disorder?
I knew one like that. Now she forwards endless posts about rescue dogs and missing dogs and collections of blankets for rescue dog shelters. I call it Bridget Bardot syndrome.
Ding, ding, ding! One looked good into her early 40s, then, bamn! She got so animal-crazy after the men stopped calling she was busted for theft of livestock or something. Not sure of the whole story.
This entire post was epic, CH.
In the bid to refill their lives with meaning, some get crazy into marathons. Very unfeminine.
I’ve always felt that exercising extremes like that are bad for the health. Remember the runner after the battle of Marathon collapsed and died at the finish line.
Ah, soul of woman, thou art fickleness eternal.
Denial was invented so that age could be endured. To wit:
“And the beauty of a woman, with passing years only grows!”
(Katherine Hepburn)
“There is a fountain of youth: it is your mind, your talents, the creativity you bring to your life and the lives of people you love. When you learn to tap this source, you will truly have defeated age.”
(Sophia Loren)
“Age has no reality except in the physical world. The essence of a human being is resistant to the passage of time.”
(Gabriel Garcia Marquez) When has there ever been any philosophy coming out of Latin America that wasn’t just feel-good nonsense?
“Men are visually aroused by women’s bodies and less sensitive to their arousal by women’s personalities because they are trained early into that response, while women are less visually aroused and more emotionally aroused because that is their training.”
(Naomi Wolf) The anti-reality propaganda that feminism feeds from.
“Women may be the one group that grows more radical with age.”
(Naomi Wolf) Right you are, feminist.
I remember an episode of Survivor where the young women were washing and playing in the water, and the old women sat on the rocks on the beach watching them. In a talking head one of the young women said that the old ones just had to find things to complain about when the young ones were having fun. And sure enough, you then saw an old woman give a sour remark about how they would burn their skin in the sun. She just picked something to try to kill the happy mood.
“I want to grow old without facelifts… I want to have the courage to be loyal to the face I’ve made. Sometimes I think it would be easier to avoid old age, to die young, but then you’d never complete your life, would you? You’d never wholly know you.”
(Marilyn Monroe) What a delight, someone who doesn’t deny that age makes the face less desirable, and accepts that fact. Marilyn Monroe also followed the paleo diet to a large degree, before it had a name, and she worked out with weights.
Excellent post, Arbiter…though I find Sophia Loren’s comments quite disingenuous considering how incredibly well she aged compared to most of her female peers.
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/img/5519/Alicia/2326l.jpg her at age 73. No one is bangable at 73, but that’s probably about the physical limit of how good a woman that age can look without plastic surgery.
Her or Raquel Welch, who I’m sure has had work done at 74 (!)
Alas, Sophia Loren definitely had plastic surgery. So her talk about mind and creativity “defeating age” was hypocrisy.
Naomi Wolf: “…because they are trained early into that response,”
Ha! Anti-reality indeed! I wasn’t ‘trained’ into wanting to sneak a peek, at a very tender age, at the lingerie section of ma’s home shopping catalogue, or checking out the girls’ bodies at the beach or at the pool. Quite the opposite!
Shit, the weight of social ‘training’ (and even moreso nowadays) goes into attempting to teach boys to resist their natural urge to look at, and be attracted by, the female figure. Feminists are fucking delusional.
CH: “This age of Wall approach roughly corresponds to the late 20s-early 30s, give or take a few five-mimosa brunches in her past.”
LOL! Now that’s a great line.
Think SJP as Carrie Bradshaw in (the hateful) SATC. Little did cosmopolitan American females realize that their heroine was the archetypal Hag Lag woman.
But Sarah Jessica Parker was NEVER pretty – even young. Bad example.
Sarah Jessica Parker has that typical horse-faced Jewish face. How they must hate White women. No wonder they want to fill the West with non-Whites; partly to make sure they are a minority among other minorities and Whites are pacified, but also specifically to destroy White women.
Don’t you have to be hot in the first place? I mean, she was decent looking ín that movie where she is like 21, but overall, she had no real facial beauty to lose in the first place. Banging body though.
SJP was never very attractive. Charlotte was the prettiest of that crew, and the most feminine too.
by “was never very attractive”, I think you mean, “butt ugly”. Even at her youngest, she was one odd looking duckling who never turned into a swan.
She was quite pretty in hocus pocus. I think. As the witch.
Yes, Charlotte was the prettiest. Her personality was endearing too.
I think Cameron Diaz was beautiful, in the mask, but she has not aged so well.
Peggy Zina is one who has retained her looks, she is 40 now and is very pretty.
You know who I think is stunning, but most men dont seem to think so? Amanda Seyfried. And Chloe Grace Moretz, they are both beauties.
Charlotte was played by an ultra-feminist who put posters of Jewish feminists on her walls as a kid. The red-haired woman was played by a homosexual. The blond woman was played by a socialist, married to a socialist politician in Canada. The main character was a Jew. Her “best friend” was a male Jewish homosexual. The show was created by Darren Star, a homosexual Jew, who was careful to pick a crew that would be completely onboard with his propaganda project.
I saw scenes here and there, the show and the reruns were on forever. In one episode the red-haired one was dating a man who wasn’t circumcised. Now, every perversion, every deviancy, every fetish was approved of in this show – so surely being uncircumcised, which is the case for THE VAST MAJORITY of men in the world, would be given a thumbs up. Right?
No. Instead the red-haired woman was disgusted, and in the end the man declared that he would mutilate his penis and become circumcised for her sake.
Why? The Jews want company. Their promote race-mixing, homosexuality and other perversions to tear down normal White society, that’s the only reason. They claim that “No, it’s because we want people to be allowed to live like they want!” the show would have approved of the man being uncircumcised – which, again, the vast majority of men are. But not Jews. So they propagandized against it.
Charlotte was played by a Jew, too.
“You know who I think is stunning, but most men dont seem to think so? Amanda Seyfried.”
Yes.
Interestingly, she claims she was even hotter in her teens with her big tits.
You move me man…. Queue ‘Maggie May’…
Stevie Nicks
Gloria Swanson…Sunset Boulevard….
That’s some grade A journalism right there.
My crazy ex gf fits the bill here. She crashed my New Year’s Eve party. I invited her to dance and asked her what her New Year’s Resolution was. She bantered and I was serious. “To lose weight” she said seriously. Her skin was blotchier than I remember. She didn’t look the same, ok, but at 36 she’s either going to meet beta chumps or thirsty losers. I told her “Since you crashed my party you can help clean up”. After some push back which I ignored, she did stay and helped clean up. Then she kissed me.
All this comes out of basically a year of ignoring her and being a complete asshole marked by occasional civility when she turned up to events I organized.
The point of this story is it proves the theory that 1) it’s easier to game older girls 2) girls always come back if you ignore them 3) the bigger asshole you are, the more positively they respond.
Wow. At 36, she’s past her prime, and she’ll know it soon enough. She end up being one of those very sad and lonely women in HK who go through life alone with her single girlfriends.
Looking at the past year, would you want her back?
Looking forward, can you see yourself settling down with someone younger, less crazy and more feminine?
36 is a sad age for a single gal. my former self was in love with one back when she was 22 and hot. had her over, proceeded to put her in her own bedroom when she drifted off. her response? not “what a gentleman” (of course, now i know) but “why didn’t you hop on” and then years of disdain
fast forward to now and she’s 36 with straight bangs, hipster glasses, and a giant chun-li shoulder tattoo in process. and she’s blogging about her dating life. she’s a friend now, so i occasionally get to hear her open up about her panic. we used to joke about “if we’re not married by 40…” but the joke’s not funny anymore
@pd walker “Would you want her back?” No. The point of the post is that by not wanting her back she’s making overtures.
“Settling down” is a “Blue pill” concept for me. Finding one or several girls who like to spend time, travel, hang out would be the ideal.
I find increasingly women don’t like to overtly communicate the idea that I’m possibly with other girls. I never admit or deny it. They value the interaction and when they stop valuing it and pulling away or when I find that the interaction no longer brings me joy I pull away.
The idea of “commitment” is now something I no longer view with a very jaundiced eye. It’s more like mutual benefit.
@walawala, I agree with you about commitment. To me commitment is only for when I’ll want children. Until then, no thanks. There’s no use for it as a man.
Some never come around:
I saw a documentary about Hedy Lamarr living out her last years in a bubble of her former life: plastered walls of her youthful portraits and movie posters. She apparently couldn’t let go.
And Marlene Dietrich became a phantom. She never left her appartement and saw nobody. Allegedly she spent her days just lying in bed.
Such madness appears like a punishment from some jealous greek god.
+1
Heartiste anagrams into ‘tits-a here.’ (Spoken with a goofy italian accent. Think Mario.)
Poetry and prose.
Its sad to see and the wall hits overnight. The slow approach is obvious every year closer to it, but when it hits, holy shit does it hit. Even if shes thin, TOTAL FACE MELT.
In high school, I was totslly into the actress Kristin Kreuk and when you see pictures from the first season of “Smallville” compared to now, it’s alarming (18 then, 32 now). Shes still gorgeous and natural but looks like the older sister of herself. All the youthful endearing “engenueness” is gone. Meanwhile, Tom Welling still looks pretty much the same, apart from some grey hair.
Though I do still wanna fuck the shit out of her.
yeah, but you just don’t wanna stick around for long after fucking the shit out of her.
BINGO!
Perhaps I’m still infatuated, but her recent pictures shows she still has uncommonly good looks.
These women are not smarter than us. They are not our competitors. WE need to understand this and also need THEM to understand this NOW.
FACT 1. A woman who has had d i c ks in them is of NO MARRIAGE VALUE to any man PERIOD.
FACT 2. These women have had on average 15, 30, 50, 100+ d i c ks in them.
FACT 3. Doing things married couples do(s e x) & also living with a boyfriend is the equivalent of having been married.
Is a woman who has been married 15 times, 30 times, 50 times or 100+ times of ANY VALUE WHATSOEVER?
They are p ro s ti tu tes. PERIOD
MEN of our generation,, Listen!
ONLY MARRY VIRGINS. No exceptions!
If we do this one thing (and spend a little money lobbying to make prost it tution legal in all 50 states).. they cannot bring us down with them. I would almost feel bad for them,,except I don’t. Cull the herd, end feminism, don’t marry her unless she’s a virgin.
These women have made poor life choices and have NO value anymore,.that’s their fault.. they are pros ti tutes,..at least let them do it as a career and save up some money for their retirement.
[CH: #NoHymenNoDiamond]
MEN of our generation,, Listen!
ONLY MARRY VIRGINS. No exceptions!
If we do this one thing (and spend a little money lobbying to make prost it tution legal in all 50 states).. they cannot bring us down with them
Okay, that sounds like a perfectly doable and realistic plan.
I’ve been shouting this from rooftops ever since I learned the truth of evolutionary biology.
How hard can it be to not marry a whore? It’s like not sticking your finger in a wall socket. Yes, its funny afterwards…IF YOU SURVIVE TO TELL THE TALE.
Bang bitches. Never marry non-virgins.
Blows my mind that even primitive societies who wrote books of superb fiction like the Bible fully understood this concept, and in fact enforced it as law! Those “backwards” societies turned out to be far more prescient than we realized. Probably a result of having survived a hundred thousand years of ruthless tribal warfare. After a while, you realize that bastard sons and whores don’t make for a great fighting nation…
“She will eventually come around to her loss, but not before she has humiliated herself to the delight of romantically settled friends.”
Reminds me of prize fighters that stay around too long.
They used to be world class physical Adonises capable of making other men look like children in the ring. However, time creeps up on them and in the end it’s just sad. A poor facsimile of the destroyer he used to be.
For prime examples of this see Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali’s last fight.
Also it’s worth noting the comparison of a boxer’s irreversible brain damage and the Hag Lag’s social ruin to be used as a cheap lay at best.
“The flame that burns Twice as bright burns half as long.”
― Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching
Yeah I’ve also been watching Blade Runner on Cinemax lately.
and yours has burned so very brightly. I want life fucker!
“The flame that burns Twice as bright burns half as long.”
The ticket is to know when to moderate and conserve your fuel supply.
CH wrote an article a while back about age brackets where he highlighted that *post* the hag-lag, a woman finally acquiesces to her spinsterhood and then hardly requires any game at all. This is very true.
If you can deal with the inevitable physical decline, a woman in her late 30s/early 40s who has looked after herself can provide you with a great no-strings fling that will be almost completely on your terms. There’ll be no asd, no bitch shield, no bullshit. Just hardcore fucking. You’ll barely have to run any game at all, and it will be a genuine struggle to disappoint her.
I tend to avoid the hag lag age group altogether. The amount of game they require is just completely out of alignment with what they’re offering. In my experience, you’ll usually find them in the 31-36 age group, although in some cities you might even encounter them a bit earlier than this.
Or a classic clip with this concept… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7vXN-2j3A&spfreload=10