Reader PA linked to an old video featuring four famous French singers embodying four distinctive styles of womanhood. All four are fantasizing about hitting on the same man who’s leaning against the bar. PA comments,
This is a delight in its own right. It’s also a Game tool: ask a girl which style, of the four shown here, is hers.
(Stay tuned for 3:34. Assuming it’s not electronically altered, dude has the deepest frog voice I’ve ever heard.)
The video is fun, and yes it does contain material that would serve very well reconstituted as a game routine. Which is what I’ve done.
Naturally, in most situations you’re not going to pull up a Youtube video for a girl you just met so you can ask her with which femme fatale she most identifies, (although there’s nothing wrong with doing that if you can manage it).
Do you remember the archetypical femmes fatales? The classics? The Chateau archives have posts about them and their particular gaming needs.
The golddigger.
The waif/neurotic.
The eternal ingenue.
The Amazonian alpha.
Asking a woman which female archetype she thinks she is will light up her eyes and deepen her conversational commitment. (Most girls like to think of themselves as ingenues. Be wary of the girl who proudly proclaims herself an amazonian alpha. Also be ready to bounce her home for the NSA bang.)
In the video, the singers represent, respectively (and commenters are free to argue with my categorizations):
Singer #1: The shy girl-next-door with a secret raging passion.
Singer #2: The fun-loving free spirit with a naughty side.
Singer #3: The elegant romantic who can throw a dinner party as well as she can flirt.
Singer #4: The take-charge seductress who might walk out with your wallet in the morning.
(Timeout to note how crazy beautiful and feminine Frenchwomen can be. I’d even consider monogamy with that first singer, and it takes a lot to inspire me to that sacrifice. Tragically, the times, and our women, have changed.)
If the girl you’re hitting on can watch this video with you, simply asking her which type she relates to will get the comfort stage ball rolling. Without the video, you’ll have to keep the above four (or eight) femmes fatales stored in memory for retrieval as part of the Femme Fatale Game Routine.
DEVIL’S VANGUARD: Women love to put men in boxes — you know, the frat bro, the nerd, the momma’s boy, the player — but there are types of women too. Femmes fatales. And men can tell a lot about a woman by her type. [pause for her curiosity to get the best of her. look away during this moment, so you don’t leave the impression that you’re anxiously anticipating her reply.]
LITTLE BO QUEEF: Really! So what type am I?
DEVIL’S VANGUARD: That depends. You see a man you like. You want to grab his attention. Do you look at him, then look away, blushing? Or do you bounce up to him and act flirty?
LITTLE BO QUEEF: Act flirty.
DEVIL’S VANGUARD: So you see yourself more as the free spirit than the shy girl-next-door. Ok, now if the choice is between being a free spirit, or sidling up in a sleek cocktail dress and remarking on his sense of style or whatever, which do you choose?
LITTLE BO QUEEF: Ooh, I like cocktail dresses. I’d do that.
DEVIL’S VANGUARD: Ok, so you’re more of an elegant romantic than a free spirit. Now you have to choose between being an elegant romantic, or wearing a sexy dress with a plunging neckline and whispering racy innuendo in his ear. The take-charge seductress.
LITTLE BO QUEEF: That’s too much for me. I’ll stick with being the sophisticated romantic in a cocktail dress.
DEVIL’S VANGUARD: Typical American woman. Great! Now I know what type you are. Ready?
LITTLE BO QUEEF: Yes!
DEVIL’S VANGUARD: The elegant romantic is passionate, but not crass. She’s no prude, she just likes a long build-up before going for the kill. She thinks herself sophisticated [ed: note that this is a challenge], and tries to dress stylishly [ed: another challenge]. She’s emotionally mature and has that natural sexiness which makes other women jealous, but not so jealous that they feel threatened. Men feel good about introducing you to business associates.
LITTLE BO QUEEF: Yay!
If words aren’t your thing, you can run an abbreviated version of the Femme Fatale Routine.
DEVIL’S REARGUARD: Shy girl-next-door, or naughty free spirit?
LITTLE HO’S SHEAF: Both!
DEVIL’S REARGUARD: That’ll do.
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PS I understand that the “style” PA refers to may be the man’s style, but I think the routine works better as a pickup tool if you ask the girl about female-specific styles.
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PS I understand that the “style” PA refers to may be the man’s style, but I think the routine works better as a pickup tool if you ask the girl about female-specific styles.
Yes, I did refer to female-specific styles.
I have to agree with CH’s description of the styles. Making the names of them shorter I would say:
Bookish girl
Bouncy girl
Gala woman
Vamp
I could translate what they say, but it’s easy to understand. In the beginning they go “But what’s this?” “The clientele suddenly improved”, etc. Before each song they say how they view him, with his clothes changing to reflect that. After each song they say well I may dream, must be reasonable, etc.
For those interested, the song is a well-known French song for kids about plucking a lark. You change one body part for each time you sing it. “I will pluck your head”, “I will pluck your wing”, etc. Translation:
http://www.frenchlearner.com/songs/alouette/
Of course none of them actually go up to him. That would be très gauche. I think the video is much better this way, that they dream of doing it but won’t actually approach, as they know it’s the man’s job. In a video made today, of course, the women would all approach. And they would all be one type.
Have you noticed something? In these old movies we will be easily forgiving of a woman who is older than the character would be today. Who has smaller breasts, not the most exciting appearance or clothes. We will forgive these things, because she will be above all a woman. You know she would be a delight to spend some time with. Yes, even if you wouldn’t sleep with her, you know the brief conversation at the bar, the café or by the flower stand on the cobble-stone street would be a breath of fresh air. A bit of a challenge. A teasing game. An understanding. A well-wishing from both sides.
Have you noticed something? In these old movies we will be easily forgiving of a woman who is older than the character would be today. Who has smaller breasts, not the most exciting appearance or clothes. We will forgive these things, because she will be above all a woman. You know she would be a delight to spend some time with. Yes, even if you wouldn’t sleep with her, you know the brief conversation at the bar, the café or by the flower stand on the cobble-stone street would be a breath of fresh air. A bit of a challenge. A teasing game. An understanding. A well-wishing from both sides.
“Glamour is when a man knows a woman is a woman.”
–Gina Lollobrigida
I’m so glad I’m a gold digger. It’s so comforting to have such a reliable form of attraction.
Maybe your next guy will give you a golden shower.
Here is an interesting book I found;
Feminism: The Ugly Truth
I haven’t read it yet, but a quick perusal through google books suggests it might be interesting.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=k3OuYalUJ5cC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
The first singer is Nana Mouskouri. She is Greek.
Zodiac game?
The second is Chantel Goya. Her music is classified in the children section of music shops (!) and is woefully under-appreciated by adults. My favourite album of hers is Dou Ni Dou Ni Day / Bravo Popeye (1986) RCA.
p.s. The 3rd singer seems reminiscent of a late-period Judy Garland when she began to arch her eyebrows high and had cut her hair.
The third girl is Mireille Mathieu. Her hairdo in the video is unusual. Her iconic look was normally the pageboy cut. The fourth one is Dalida.
All of these women are prominent European celebrities from the 70s.
If I were a woman I think I would be a golddigger too ^^ btw CAG did you knew that 1 of the members of Korean 2NE1 want to make her American debut! please show support to CL ^^ their latest álbum is incredible ^^
Your post, video and all, is a perfect example of how far downhill the West has gone since the time portrayed in the OP song.
“They love me ’cause I’m real”. Typical of today’s childish leftist attitude, expressed in this video. No quality needed, no standards upheld, no accomplishment achieved – just pretending to be worthy of admiration for being “real” which means nothing since everyone is “real”. So in other words, “I haven’t done anything but the Left says I can still brag about me being me.” That’s the philosophical side of the leftist bribe to the voting cattle.
Fridge magnets might be to blame for such entitlement
Well, “braveagnosticg” here or narut00 as he also calls himself is an Asian faggot. We can’t expect him to have even a remote understanding of CH’s topic here. He is too dumb and self-absorbed for that – a homosexual. It’s funny that he is so self-absorbed that he posts a video like this and blabbers about the Korean girl bands he obsesses about (no doubt he pretends he is one of these girls) without understanding what a contrast it makes to CH’s post. As I said, a perfect example of the West’s downhill slide. Letting in self-absorbed perverts like this one.
The upside is of course that no matter what he is doomed and he knows it. If Whites take back Western lands he is screwed, and not in the way he likes. If non-Whites swarm the West and become a majority the faggot bashing will be worse than ever. In Africa and places like Iraq they slit homo throat and the police approve. And that’s before ISIS. Next time you see narut00 here post about his obsessions out of synch with everyone else, think Swiss army knife.
the character Megan Draper’s look was modeled after Chantal Goya. WB Jessica Pare. Would toss her out of bed for singing Zou Bisou Bisou.
Nice George Elford reference.
That’s a cute idea. I am probably mostly 1 with a lot of 2. Who’s turned on by 4? Anyone? Just curious.
Yes, the former Miss Egypt is the best of the lot here, imo, although she’s a bit old. She has that sexy, sultry cougar look.
I like the Amazonian Alpha type, though that’s a pretty frilly example right there. They tend to be relatively interesting and smart and a challenge, and I am into statuesque, cool looking athletic women with witty tongues. Married a short example of this type. I’m a large, jocky, ex-military, asshole Sigma lawyer so this is probably an outlier example of assortative mating between people who rub a lot of other people the wrong way. YMMV.
The stuff CH says about them in that older post strikes me as mostly correct, BTW. Can’t be a beta, show butthurt, or lose frame with them, or be operating without a plan, they hate it when you do that, and they also hate the shit out of stupid guys, Not that you really have to game them, just there’s a particular way to be that really, really works for them, and *strong* is the key factor.
My experience is with a lot of #4’s whose public disguise is as a #1. Hence my public disguise is as Atticus Finch. I’m not sure what this suggests about Amy, but she’s previously hinted at working in Darkworld, so I assume she’s not just happy to see me, but carrying a cocked and locked Walther in that Chanel bag.
Darkworld?
I’m definitely not #4. She’s sexually aggressive, which I always thought was a turnoff to most men. That’s why I asked.
She’s sexually aggressive, which I always thought was a turnoff to most men.
…It’s complicated.
From a woman we don’t want to be approached by, yes, a turnoff. And most of the time from a woman we don’t know and aren’t sure about. Is she serious? Is she just playing with you to drop you when you show interest? Because it is so unusual you have to wonder.
But from a girl you know, or at least a girl you have seen the whole evening and you can be pretty sure she’s on the level. Then I’d enjoy it.
But of course, women never have to go that far. They simply have to come up to you, smile and touch your arm. If the guy is really dense, she can give him a compliment out of the blue and hug him. Friendly hug – plausible deniability. If he doesn’t get it by then, he shouldn’t reproduce.
I remember a girl in junior high…. There was a brief discussion during a group project, about what you would do if it was the last day before the earth was hit by a comet. She was standing up and leaned slightly toward me over a counter, saying in a low voice: “I would grab a handsome guy and have sex with him all night long.”
Pretty hard to miss. That was my first girlfriend. But it still took me a month before I had the courage to make a move – I was waiting for the perfect moment. Ah, those young, silly years.
Imagine if you could go back to your youth, but with all your memories intact. How you would rock in school.
You’ve implied previously an intel or security career. Anyway, not important, apologies if I’m mistaken.
I don’t find ‘sexually aggressive’ a turn-off, whatsoever. It’s contextual. I date a lot of alphas, they’re somewhere between a Hepburn or Emma Thompson in public. Privately, total #4’s. Ironically, the more alpha, the more they seek to be dominated, which is a truth I couldn’t figure out for a long while. In the end I concluded that they get tired of being in charge all day.
I was curious what kind of Game techniques the host would suggest, in a post-Ebola world. Full body condoms ? Bio-hazard love suits ??
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/10/09/ebola-virus-condoms-sexual-transmission/16960093/
I may have come within about 10 feet of Ebola yesterday, owing to a couple of pathologically hideous bulldyes who have adopted a pet chimpanzee from West Africa.
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Sorry to go off topic so early in the thread – but here is my Beta of the Month submission……The fag who bought Ebola to the USA…. http://www.chacha.com/gallery/7234/15-terrifying-facts-about-the-ebola-virus/78013
Not quite buddy. This guy was brought to the USA by the government, under controlled conditions.. The true culprit was a black African from Liberia, with no regard for other humans. Typical “mah dik ” behavior.
An illegal alien. His brother and dad had ebola, his whole village had succumbed to it – and still the media NEVER mention that of course he knew he had ebola. They pretend that he noticed only when he came to the U.S.
An illegal alien. Getting 500,000 dollars worth of medical care for free, paid by American taxpayers.
Does anyone think he cares about Americans dying? In Africa everything is blamed on Whites. Their corruption, their mass rape, their poverty and failures – it’s because of White colonialism. (And still they never go back to the Stone Age life they had before the colonies. Were they richer or poorer then? They didn’t even have shoes or toothbrushes.) They love hearing stories about Whites suffering and dying, they laugh at it. Hell, they don’t care about other Black tribes on their own continent. I saw a documentary where Black men in South Africa were interviewed in the street, readily admitting that they had raped, and laughing about it. (Half of all women in South Africa have been raped.) Caring about people in a far-off land is a typical White trait, we are the only ones with such abstract concepts about altruism or anything else.
White people man wanted “ebola man” here so they could study the virus.
Once they understand ebola they will weaponize it in a lab.
The white man is the 5th horseman.
Thwack, you’re jumping on the bandwagon a bit late… all the bruthas I hang with be sayin’ ebola was invented in a white man’s lab from the git-go.
Or maybe she is this kind of girl
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/inkfish/2014/10/10/for-disguise-female-squid-turn-on-fake-testes/#5465
Lmao
WEDDING NARCISSISM: On October 10, Miss Vinson, 29, may have had Ebola symptoms when she flew out of Dallas-Fort Worth Airport on Frontier Airlines Flight 1142 to Cleveland to plan her upcoming wedding, a health official said today.
She’s a black girl. They don’t get many opportunities to get married so she should be excused for not wanting to drop the ball over a silly epidemic.
Shane, how dare you post anything critical of the noble black Miss Vinson? I mean, sure, she had been treating an Ebola patient that had died. Sure, one of her fellow nurses had been infected with Ebola. Sure, she was running a fever and (I believe) was under at least self-monitoring.
So, given all of that, why in the world WOULDN’T she have shamelessly gotten onto a plane and put untold numbers of people at risk? She had things to do! After all, she called. Nobody told her not to fly!
Welcome to Third World America, new and unimproved. It’s easy to focus on the big and obvious areas of dysfunction in the modern cesspool, but what really distinguishes a first world, civilized population from a multiracial cesspool are the billions of little micro-decisions that people make every day. Whether to be honest or dishonest in the small things. Whether to be rude or to be polite. Whether to respect the personal space of others, or violate that space. And about a zillion other things.
But what it comes down to is this: exercising self-restraint where appropriate, even if nobody tells you to. Even if nobody is watching. Doing the right thing, even if you know you won’t get caught doing the wrong thing.
That is going, going, gone. Ain’t diversity grand? I’m shocked, shocked that Miss Vinson did what she did.
Separation is the only solution.
> “Welcome to Third World America, new and unimproved.” It is very, very odd that the first two nurses to catch it were a Vietnamese and a Negress. Obviously it could just be a coincidence, and yet…
JEW Weinstein: “Party in Maryland!”
Props to Trainspotter.
Ebola fears have forced two male strippers to adopt a hands-off policy for the next 21 days after sitting just three feet from Amber Vinson as she flew Frontier Airlines from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday night. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3216297/posts
Shane: “Ebola fears have forced two male strippers to adopt a hands-off policy for the next 21 days after sitting just three feet from Amber Vinson…”
Yeah, apparently those guys are in quarantine now, but it’s a small price to pay. She had things to do! That’s just how she rolls.
You guys are really reaching on this one.
{Oscar-Mayer-Wiener-Academy-induced Hyper-Narcissism} + {Low-Future-Orientation Inability-to-Defer-Gratification} == {TOXIC BREW!!!!!}
really?
you guys have sunk so low as to start attacking nurses who care for sick people because they get sick?
You must be a white person.
Thwack, are we supposed to applaud (or at least place above criticism) someone who selfishly and recklessly endangered untold lives, simply because she is a nurse? If so, what other professions get free passes to spread a highly contagious and deadly disease?
Her plane trip had nothing to do with nursing, from what has been reported. It was purely personal. If anything, someone in her situation should be held to a higher standard.
Let’s treat the questions above as rhetorical, but I have one question that I’d like an honest answer to. If you, thwack, were in the situation that she was in – you were a trained nurse, you treated an ebola patient that had recently died, one of your fellow nurses on the team had just been diagnosed with ebola, and you are running a fever – would you get on the plane to make a purely personal trip at that point? Even if some bureaucrat clown you talked to by phone at the CDC said it was O.K.? Honestly, given that set of facts, would you get on that plane?
Thwack thinks we wouldn’t be saying the same things about a white nurse who did the same thing…
He thinks we whites are just like negroes… or Jews…
You know, the Right Or Wrong, We First, Always ilk.
Trainspotter
Thwack, are we supposed to applaud (or at least place above criticism) someone who selfishly and recklessly endangered untold lives, simply because she is a nurse?
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Nurses do NOT make up their own rules and regs for infectious disease control; its a room full of white people who make those policies. If the hospital admins didn’t require her to be quarantined then its their fault she was allowed to leave.
They probably lied to her and told her all the white man technology would protect her.
Looks like the jokes on you.
Girls do love to ask “How do you see me?”
Just had this exchange with the 23 year old I’ve been banging.
I said “I see you as a woman…”
Of course she keeps demanding more. “Are you fishing for compliments?”
But after a few back and forths, I’ve found that if the girl is sincere then it’s ok to offer her something. In my case I said “I think we see the world in similar ways…”
That only peaked her curiousity further and lead to more questions.
From the perspective of being more intuitive about women. Be very cautious about Cluster B behaviours in women. Anything related to pushing for intimacy fast, becoming super sexual fast, push-pull, bursts of anger, shit like “so and so is chasing after me…” Or girls who try to inspire your white-knighting through helplessness…if you don’t know what to look for it’s easy to get sucked into their drama. My crazy ex went from being the sweetest, most thoughtful girl in the world to texting me out of the blue with: “I’m in trouble…” then there’d be some bullshit drama. The more I downplayed it, the more she would escalate it. When I would display some type of empathy…it disappeared. Watch for this type of thing.
This is a pet peeve of mine and I seldom see it used correctly anymore. it’s piqued my curiosity from the French word Piquer which means to prick.
> “Cluster B behaviours in women”
Crazy in Bed Crazy in the Head
The whole Sex and the City phenomenon ushered in that idea of “Which one are you?”
I’ve found a great post on Krauser’s site and have used it with huge success repeatedly. It’s a sexual Rorschach test.
Here are a few great photo blogs: http://ilovepinups.tumblr.com/
http://sexsavestheday.tumblr.com/archive
http://eroticimage.tumblr.com/
And more. I ask “Do you like photography?” blah blah blah. I’ve got an interesting photo blog…or “maybe you’re too innocent”….
they ask to see it. I send them one of the links and say “Send me your top 3 photos and why and I’ll send mine”.
The last girl I played this game with sent me 10 photos back in rapid succession. interesting window on her id.
Another girl I’m banging this was how we text when we haven’t seen each other for a few weeks… Honestly, I rarely have much to text about so these ping backs are great ways to engage.
If the girl is all “That’s gross…” you can agree and amplify or next.
But it’s a great way to keep things sexual in text game. Thanks Krauser.
Seventies French pop has lots of dreamy songs to check out. If you play guitar, learn Francis Lai’s “Bilitis.” Simple, seductive melody.
For the girls in the Alouette video, Mireille Mathieu (girl no. 3) does a nice duet with Nana Mouskouri (girl no. 1) “La paloma adieu.” Her best song arguably is “On ne vit pas…”
Around Christmas, Mireille’s “Milles Columbus” is the testament to the beauty of french culture.
Dalida (Girl no. 4) is the only one of the group no longer with us. She committed suicide shortly after the above video was made. More than one man associated with her had committed suicide. Also, according to Wiki she is the sixth-most popular all time entertainer in the world.
Francoise Hardy is also easy on the ears.
Yes! Especially her ‘lighter’ frivolous stuff. More than a little of Françoise Hardy’s 1960s music, though, seem melancholy. Even her ‘happy’ songs sometimes have a sadness to them (or perhaps that is ‘projecting’ in my part). It is somehow bittersweet that one can be made depressed and hopeful by music at the same time. By contrast, mildy tomboy-ish Chantal Goya, like ‘girly girl’ vocalists such as France Gall (1960s), Patricia Lavila (mid-1970s), Lio (early-mid 1980s), and Emmanuelle (mid-late 1980s) are just innocent, playful, and fun. The closest I can think of in English music would be Altered Images (early 1980s) and, groan (!), Aqua (2000s).
p.s. To get the most out of music with a student or slave-worker budget, I recommend a toy external DA converter (e.g. Fiio D03K which is about 25 USD) which connects to the headphone at one end and connects to the other end with the USB to the computer. When copying CDs, I use uncompressed WAV (which is the same format as the digital PCM in CDs). In playback, I never touch the media player equaliser because this destroys the music. My favourite headphone is my white Teac CT-H02 (same as Tascam TH-02, about 20 USD) which has a huge and bright soundstage like a string of Christmas lights inside my head. They also have it in black colour for men. I prefer it over my excessively treble harsh Grado SR-225i headphone (about 200 USD, made in U.S.A.). Isn’t music great!
I like her too. For something darker (look up the lyrics), check out Marie Laforet “Veins, veins”
Lol. Fuck autocorrect. “Viens, viens”
Le Vent Nous Portera (The Wind Will Carry Us)
Fred Reed on the Hivemind drive-by of AmRen:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Sussman.shtml
I hope Jared Taylor sues the shit out of Sussman and Harvard Uni Press.
[CH: I hope so too. Even if he doesn’t “win”, his suit and media coverage of it would shine a cleansing light on the malignancy known as the Hivemind.]
Thanks for sharing this. Most enlightening.
Biden’s daughter:
http://nypost.com/2009/03/30/parties-pot-in-ashley-bidens-past/
Biden’s Son Hunter Discharged From Navy Reserve After Failing Cocaine Test http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3216168/posts
Meet America’s New Ebola Czar Ronald A. “Ron” Klain is an American lawyer and political operative best known for serving as Chief of Staff to two Vice Presidents – Al Gore (1995–1999) and Joseph Biden (2009–2011)… http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3216408/posts
That’s the guy who … somehow … ended up on the board of that Ukraine oil company, isn’t it?
What is cocaine is the cure of ebola?
Darn…”cure FOR ebola?”
What is cocaine is the cure of ebola?
Then da bruthas be sighin’ in relief.
Re: Ebola
No hospital in the US, as of today, will require that employees treat an Ebola case – as a condition of continued employment.
The reason that this is true will tell you everything you need to know about this epidemic.
I didn’t see the fifth femme fatale: the ex-Mrs.!
Donate with Kate to support men and families.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2014/10/16/life-changes/
(h: it would be really great to see you put your name behind taking care of the Manosphere’s own)
Maybe have one post where you ask everyone who comments to donate a dollar. Everyone has at least one dollar to spare. With how popular this blog is, you could easily rack up $500 dollars to give the recipient. We’ll make a party out of it and everybody wins. Free For All Friday! 🙂
That is a good idea in theory, Kate. Very good idea, who would have the money?
But if we can not comment with out donation of one dollar – some of us do not have credit/bank card. 🙁 . So how can donations be made with out one?
I mean – who would the money go to? Who is the recipient?
If you can’t donate money, you find some other way of contributing. Post music, good wishes, serve the drinks, offer food, be creative, whatever. We’ll put Amy and femx in the Kissing Booth! The money will be donated through this page’s donate button and then the host makes the transfer to the recipient, in this case, Bill Price.
FR for yareally and his disciples, or anybody else with useful input.
Day 2 with Greek 6.5 (day 1 was semi-cold approach, 6 hours of booze-fueled flirty banter and kino, followed by make out on street and in cab. We shared a cab back as we live nearby, but she wouldn’t come back to my place).
Arrived at wine bar a few min late (not deliberately), she was standing waiting, grabbed her head and kissed her on the lips. Since we had made out before, figured I could risk it. She was a bit shocked, I wanted to be first to pull back but she pulled back after ~1s, laughed and said “what are you doing?”. I said with a smile “that’s how I say hello to everybody”, but I could feel myself blushing. On balance it was an ok opener and didn’t do any harm, but nothing amazing.
We got wine and sat outside. Convo was reasonably fun for 1.5 hours, mix of joking around and getting-to-know-you chit chat. A couple of extracts:
At one point we were both playfully refusing to be the first one to reveal our age.
Her: Tell me your age, I thought British guys were real gentlemen
Me (laughing/smirking, shaking head): no, not really
Her (seeming genuinely confused): no? who is that then?
Me: well maybe some of us are, but not this one
Her: oooh ok
Me: you should tell me your age, I thought Greek girls were more submissive
Her (shocked/laughing): submissive?! How many Greek girls do you know?!
Me: listed a few made-up names similar to her name
Her: come on, tell me your age
Me: why don’t you go and get us another glass of wine?
Her: me go and get it on my own? When you got us wine, I came with you!
Me: Haha you didn’t have to
Her: yes, you said “come on, let’s get some wine”
Me: is that how it works, I tell you something and you do it?
Her: um, yeah
Me: well now I’m telling you to go and get us some wine!
Her: (laughs)
After discussing what she’d learnt by stalking me on the internet, she asked me to guess something about her, so I looked her up and down and said “you prefer to give oral sex rather than receiving it”. This got a big laugh and she was shocked again, she asked “do you like to take risks and see how people react?”
After wine bar we walked arm in arm and I led her to my place (5min walk), but she wouldn’t come in. As we entered my street she asked “where are we going?”, I said jokily “what a coincidence, this is my street” (maybe drawing too much attention to it here). We kissed on the street for a few mins, got moderately heated when I backed her against the wall, then she said “ok”, signalling to stop. Tried to get her in a couple of times, e.g. said we would go to another bar and I should just quickly go inside for cigarettes, she said “do you really have cigarettes?”, I laughed and said “no, it’s just an excuse to get you to come inside” (again, maybe too explicit). Another attempt, she still resisted, I said “why not?”
Her: because I don’t know you that well
me: we’re getting to know each other
Her: yes, *outside* your place
me: do you think I would think less of you if you did?
Her: no, I don’t care about that
me: good
*more making out, got heavier*
After that she still wouldn’t come inside, so I walked her back to the metro.
Don’t know what I could’ve done much better here. Convo flowed decently well, although not sparkling, and I sexualised the conversation from time to time (which spiked her emotions) while going back to normal topics, and I tried several times to get her in the door, and I don’t think I was needy. Had good eye contact and tried to speak slowly and deliberately rather than quickly/nervously (not sure how well I did this as it’s easy to forget about it when you’re actually there), while keeping a fun positive vibe. She was laughing and smiling a lot, playing along with my games and playing some of her own, and seemed quite in to the makeout. Could perhaps have done more push-pull, don’t think I really did that or really know how, and more challenging of her, qualifying her to me. Her age is probably a problem (33) as she will most likely be looking to settle down.
Didn’t text or contact her afterwards, my instinct is not to reward her with too much attention if she’s not willing to go beyond a makeout. Probably we’ll see each other again after a week or so. She wants me to come to a concert with her in a few weeks, but she’s getting a whole group together via a website (so could be friends of hers or strangers looking to meet new people), so I probably won’t go as a) it would be letting her lead and b) there would be no way to monopolise her attention as she’s the organiser and would have to speak to everyone. Probably will only go if we have sex a few times before then.
http://www.sbp-journal.com/index.php/sbp/article/view/2609
Do women prefer “nice guys”? The effect of male dominance behavior on women’s ratings of sexual attractiveness
We examined whether or not different behavioral expressions of dominance by a male affected how introverted and extraverted women rated his sexual attractiveness. We assessed 81 women on the extraversion scale of the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire-Revised Short Scale (Eysenck & Eysenck, 1991), and they then watched a 1-minute silent video of a male confederate in 3 dominance conditions (closed body posture [low], open body posture , and open body posture with gesticulation [high]) and rated the male for sexual attractiveness. Results showed that higher dominance behavior significantly increased the confederate’s attractiveness, accounting for 10% of the variance in attractiveness ratings. However, the women’s personalities appeared to have no significant effect on these ratings. These results are discussed in relation to extant literature on the phenomenon that women do not select “nice guys” in preference to other men.
https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/handle/2142/26208
An investigation into the potential romantic appeal of convicted killers
It is not uncommon for convicted killers to receive letters and visits from women hoping to win their affection. This behavior is puzzling, as evolutionary theory would posit that attraction to murderers runs counter to people’s survival instincts. To date, however, no research has been conducted to investigate this phenomenon. The goals of the present studies were to determine whether characteristics of killers that women have evolved to find attractive (i.e., fame and dominance) make them appealing to women, and whether women with certain personality characteristics are more likely to find a killer attractive. Results showed that fame was a characteristic that appealed to women, but that dominance was not. Also, women higher in sensation seeking and attachment avoidance with their fathers were more likely to find the killer attractive. Women higher in attachment anxiety with their fathers were less likely to find the killer attractive. Self-esteem, attachment avoidance with romantic partner, and attachment anxiety with romantic partner were not related to attraction.
Joining Islamic State is about ‘sex and aggression,’ not religion
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3216356/posts
[…] This post at Chateau Heartiste is being bookmarked because its subject is a video with Nana Mouskouri in it, who by complete coincidence I mentioned in my previous post. Can’t say exactly why I like small coincidences like this, but I do. Two Nanas in two days. So there’s that. […]
Is the first one not Nana Mouskouri? The Greek? Actualy, Cretan. I love her voice.
This is beautiful. Nana Mouskouri, singing “Ta Pedia Tou Pirea” , “The Children of Pireus). (Which is also, lyricaly a beautiful example of a woman’s heart wants).
OT but this is the best Fred Reed column I have read for a long time.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Unstable.shtml