The readers have responded to this post’s game challenge with a show of force. It’s a good sign that men who come to this blog are still interested in learning how to pick up women. The scrotal sack of Western man is not yet drained of life.
Many commenters felt that it was a fool’s errand to pursue a girl who had shot her hand up and and barked “No!” before the man could get one word out.
Game shaman YaReally essentially subscribed to this point of view.
And the instant “No” girls aren’t judging you as a human being because they haven’t met and interacted with you. They’re just lumping you in with a type of low-value guy because for whatever reasons that’s the headspace they’re in at the moment and she wasn’t aware of you doing anything to NOT be lumped in with those guys before you approached.
It’s all very simple. Ones and zeroes, binary shit: If you’re high-value in her mind, she’ll talk to you, if not she’ll lump you with the rest and not give you a chance. So you can either walk away and take the loss, or figure out how to build your value to her. Those are the two options. She still won’t owe you shit even if you build your value, and she doesn’t owe you the opportunity TO demonstrate higher value. IDEALLY, you DHV’ed in front of her before approaching so you don’t get the “No” in the first place, but assuming that’s happened you have two options: You either find a way to DHV or you move on.
I don’t disagree with Ya or with readers who’ve expressed a similar sentiment; as a matter of principle and of practice, it’s best to NEXT a No Girl with apathetic prejudice. If you’re getting a NO! and a Heisman before you’ve opened your mouth, you’ve got a high hurdle that’s not worth the effort to jump. YaReally’s ideal suggestion — to promptly backturn the No Girl and engage an adjacent group while loudly announcing within No Girl’s earshot “wow, that girl HATES me. I didn’t even get past the word ‘hi’. Looks like I’ll be a virgin forever. :(” — is, in my view, the best option from among a really limited set of options.
But the original reader asking for advice did not ask for the ideal response; he asked for the response that would “salvage and optimize” the interaction with No Girl. He wanted to know what he could say or do that would have a chance of turning No Girl around, despite the heavy odds against him. That’s why his question was the topic of a “Test Of Your Game” post.
Assuming he doesn’t have the convenience of an adjacent mixed set he can leverage YaReally-style, he’ll have to game No Girl on her terms. That means a direct verbal or nonverbal reply. The best of the commenters’ suggestions follow. For some, I’ve included a grading system. Entertainment Value measures how hard you, and perhaps No Girl’s circus elephants, would laugh if you were there watching it happen. Workabiliity describes how easy or difficult it would be for a newb to pull it off in the field. And Game Tightness is an appraisal of the chances that the response would actually spur No Girl’s curiosity and attraction.
pupton1974 writes,
By saying “Talk to the hand” she has announced her status as a bitch. Hold nothing back. I don’t want to turn her lemon into lemonade. I want her to feel like the turd she is. Any of these with a “don’t give a fuck” smirk could take her down a peg:
1) “Eww, it looks like you’ve pitted out that blouse really bad.”
2) “Put your arm down, you’re attracting flies.”
3) “Raise your hand if you have a yeast infection.”
#3 is the best. “Raise your hand if [X]” is a good all-purpose takedown of the No Girl’s signature “talk to the hand” maneuver.
Entertainment Value: A+
Workability: C (These lines can be a mouthful under pressure.)
Game Tightness: D (Don’t expect this tack to result in a mutually satisfying interaction.)
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monster211 writes,
GIRL: *hand shoots up* “No!”
BABY’S ARM HOLDING AN APPLE: *sneeze all over her hand, wipe your nose with your arm while sniffling and then wink while nonchalantly grabbing your crotch*
I would pay to see a guy sneeze violently on a No Girl’s jivemama hand.
Entertainment Value: A
Workability: D (You’d better be able to sneeze on command.)
Game Tightness: F (Hard to see this leading to a love match.)
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Days of Broken Arrows flashes his Macchiavelli card,
“No.”
“Um…I was going to ask if you were one of my sister’s friends. She died last month. Have a nice day.”
Cold as ice. I can’t think of a better wedge between No Girl and her friends. The shame will burn to the bone.
Entertainment Value: C (A downer for everyone but you.)
Workability: C (You’ll need good acting chops.)
Game Tightness: B (If she believes you, she’s yours. If not, she still might be yours. At least, one of her friends will want to console you.)
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Danny Kovach channels a young alpha male:
“Your hands look like my grandma’s”
Entertainment Value: B
Workability: A (Short and sweet.)
Game Tightness: B (More insult than neg, given the context. Don’t expect miracles.)
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Anonymous couples the high five with a disqualification,
hahahaaa, my immediate response was the high 5 with a huge grin on my face before i even finished reading, maybe followed with ‘eww, whats that on your hand, thats fucking disgusting’ and then a ‘made you look’.
I like the high five. It’s quick and easy to pull off on a No Girl (she might not even see it coming, what with her head facing the other way), it’s surprising, it’s amusing for you and her friends, and it can open up a lot of disqualification possibilities and enable follow-up ramble game. It’d be really funny if you execute the high five, grinning like a jerk, as you’re passing by her to talk to her friend. An alternate but similar version of the high five is “rock paper scissors”; start playing the game with her when her hand shoots up.
Entertainment Value: B (High fives lift everyone’s mood.)
Workability: A (Easy peasy lemon squeezy.)
Game Tightness: C- (Outside chance No Girl turns into Yes Girl.)
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corvinus takes a shot at her id,
“Hmm, no wedding ring. Figures.”
Another superb shiv that draws its blood without much thrashing about. But as another commenter suggested, it might be more “game savvy” to frame this reply differently, less spitefully. “Hmm, nice wedding ring.” Nuanced wording can create wildly different impressions.
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gnarlinbrando writes,
*sexy grin and slight chuckle to yourself* then look to her friends:
“Is she always this much fun?”
This is a classic PUA neg. The goal is to embarrass her and DHV yourself, while getting her group to switch allegiance.
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DangerWolf opts for the nonverbal, physical tease,
Immediately back-turning and talking to another girl, then slowly backing up into her and, if she objects, shouting “no!” with the hand gesture is also fun.
Just sticking around No Girl after the fact can make it deliciously awkward for her and fun for you, as long as you aren’t sticking around nursing your butthurtness. This tactic only works if you have a YaReally-esque scenario set up where another group is directly adjacent and available to open.
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Boron and a host of commenters went the palm reading route,
Pretend to read palm.
“And this is your cat line. I see A LOT of cats in your future.”
Entertainment Value: C (Most people aren’t good at this.)
Workability: D (You’ve really got to command her attention for the duration.)
Game Tightness: B (If it sticks, you’re in like WIN!)
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leahnnovash tries the plausible deniability strategy,
If she is alone, simply ask if I can take one of the extra chairs.
Entertainment Value: B (Could be really funny if timing is perfect.)
Workability: B (How good is your state control?)
Game Tightness: F (It’ll save face, but not much else.)
Others suggested similar versions of Plausible Deniability Game (cf., Francis Beam’s comment about sipping her drink and wincing). It’s popular among the commentariat. Done well, yeah I do think this can take the wind out of No Girl’s sails, but the dynamic between you and her won’t be much altered. Also, PD Game could backfire if it’s obvious you first approached her with an intention to hit on her.
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whorefinder blows up the joint,
flash and smoke and smell of sulfur. Whorefinder appears
Why, thank you, kind sir. However, the treatment for this kind of Obama voter, er, See-You-Next-Tuesday rag is a bit different…
1. Observe hand.
2. Slowly check the crowd’s reaction from left to right.
3. Smile in friendship and extend your own hand, shaking hers, and pulling her onto her feet.
4. Quick, sharp kick to her stomach, double-middle finger to her face , and STUNNER, STUNNER BY GAWD J.R. ITS A STUNNER!!!!!
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5. And only THEN rape….on the floor in front of the entire bar/club.
Stone Cold Awesome Rape! Rape on, gentlemen, rape on!
flash and smoke and sulfer. Whorefinder vanishes
Entertainment Value: A+ (A++ if smoke bomb included.)
Workability: F (Good luck!)
Game Tightness: F (Rape Game Tightness: A)
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newlyaloof writes,
Girl: No!
You to her friend: Hmm. I like your friend. She’s feisty.
This is another take on “making lemonade out of lemons” game. The “feisty” line has been a staple of PUA tactics for a long time. The idea is that it signals your imperturbability. Nothing gets under your skin. Chicks like that about men.
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anotheronetakesthepill,
That’s right. No, I don’t wanna get you pregnant
Funny, quippy, jerkish. Wanna see just how much funnier, quippier, and jerky you can get. Post your progress. #TINGLENATION.
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Area Man reminisced,
This comment from a few years ago is still the winner:
“So I guess a blow job in the parking lot is out of the question?”
Entertainment Value: B- (Entertaining for you, not for her.)
Workability: B- (Gonna be tough to say this with a straight face.)
Game Tightness: D- (May work on a crazy slut with a history of dating serial killers.)
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Eeyore tries Disagree&Amplify,
Disagree and amplify [meta, you’re agreeing to play disagree]. Yes! Yes like you’re Ben fucking Kingsley. Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Dean Moriarity turned up to 11. Preach it. Sell the fuck out of yes, like you’re discovering it for the first time. Yes is America, Apollo 11, and that first girl who let you feel her up when you were supposed to be doing homework. What the fuck is no? No is no. No is nothing. Yes is everything else. Yes is what you want, what she wants, what everybody wants. So yes. Yes to yes. Fuck yes. No fucking no. Yes.
My hunch is she will either (a) disagree more and more playfully or (b) shrink away (and look at you in awe). Regardless, your name for her is Yes. The rest is superfluous.
D&A is taking a page out of Toddler Game. If you are truly a No Fucks Given kinda guy, I say try it out. NOYESNOYESNOYESYESYESNO!!!YESYESYESEVERYTHINGYES
WE’RECOMINGUPYESATHOUSANDYESSESMLADY!!!!
Anyone who tries this is required to report back to CH with his results.
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Steve enlightens us all,
If you don’t have a fart ready to fire, a burp will do.
Entertainment Value: B+ (Until the smell hits.)
Workability: F (Unless you ate a burrito beforehand.)
Game Tightness: Who cares? I don’t think I’d stop laughing if I saw this go down.
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Anonymous gets to the heart of the matter,
“who’s gay”
The trick to this reply is NEUTRALITY. It only works as intended if your facial expression and vocal tone are blank and monotone respectively. If you insert emotion, it’s liable to come off angry.
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Nathan imaginatively writes,
Keep it simple:
sticking your tongue out and ice cube to the neck/down the dress–
‘At least I’m not wasting my time’, 360, moonwalk away
Whorefinder has competition in the Totally Unrealistic But Awesome If You Can Pull It Off Game challenge.
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Finally, from Mean Mr. Mustard, there’s Penis Game.
Entertainment Value: Busts the grade curve.
Workability: A+ if flaccid, C+ if erect.
Game Tightness: A+ in Toronto and Wellesley.
[…] A Test Of Your Game: Judging Your Responses To ‘No Girl’ […]
I prefer the ubiquitous bitch shutdown…cue dramatic music…raise curtains…relax…
Man: I just bought a 100 pack of Magnum XL’s. I wanted to test them out in the van I own down by the river. Care to join?
Woman: NO! *hand goes up*
Man: *With Resounding Verve and Purpose* “HA! Must be that time of the month. Enjoy.”
Make sure to accent “HA!” with firm eye contact, then look away while subtly shaking your head with a glint of disappointment, saying “must be that time of the month” (subtle daggers of disapproval diggith mightily into the female soul)
Easy to remember and always practical. You are putting the ball back into her court and making her prove the obnoxious behavior NOT a result of PMS.
Women hate having bitchy behavior attributed to their menstrual cycle. Chiefly because women will use this “time of the month” alibi to justify all forms of bitchy behavior when it suits them, but nothing stings more than turning that same dagger around on the offending party.
This line requires HER to prove otherwise, which at the very least brings you back to an even playing field. Always hammer on innate insecurities to get the offending party back on the defensive. There’s nothing a woman hates more than being told she is not in control of her emotions.
Apply liberally my friends!
Love these.
Could you guys come up with this in the spur of the moment though?
the point is not to come up with something on the spot (although you will be much better at it as you internalize the mentality), the point is to file it away in your brain for when you run into it in the field, these situations happen with such regularity that it behooves the cad to have a default thing to do in each situation
pulsotic
the point is not to come up with something on the spot (although you will be much better at it as you internalize the mentality), the point is to file it away in your brain for when you run into it in the field,
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If that works for you, cool.; but for some of us “filing things away for later” smacks of “parade ground intelligence” as you guys call it. You may need to produce some real self value in order to internalize enough value to project true game frame by default. Indeed, some of us can fake it; but some of us need to throw a shoe at a president, knock out Greg Eliot… in order to understand we are the greatest. To sum up — do what works for you. Regarding this dairy queen I would say; “does your pimp know you are here?” and then scan the room.
She’s finished. No matter how she responds I can make it worse.
Or better?
Thwack i have no idea what you’re trying to say
filing things away in your brain is called “memory”, that’s mem-o-ry
In psychology, memory is the process in which information is encoded, stored, and retrieved. Encoding allows information that is from the outside world to reach our senses in the forms of chemical and physical stimuli.
If that doesn’t make sense, maybe you should google it
No disagreement here pulsotic, just offering a slightly different processing technique; a bit more “no huddle”, open cock pit than most. Tell her, her weave is crooked and then smirk at her friend.
Indeed, some of us can fake it; but some of us need to throw a shoe at a president, knock out Greg Eliot… in order to understand we are the greatest.
Now tell everyone how you dreamt this scenario… and sent me an apology and two tickets to a Knick’s game immediately upon waking up.
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My entry actually was spur-of-the-moment. I was not really intending to contribute at first.
Mental note, bring sulphur to next club outing.
Wow what big hands, are you a transvestite?
This is not the first time whorefinder’s A+ game has given him an F…
U…..
C…
K….
either the A+ game or the rohypnol, couldn’t tell.
Yeah-he-went-there rape!
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p.s. I think I shall now enter every room wearing a cape and throwing a flashbang and a smoke bomb.
Whisper in her ear,
“Why say no, when it feels so good to say yes.”
Walk away.
Guess what, guys?
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Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Robin Williams are all still dead!
Hooray for dead leftists!
Hip hip dead scum!
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Wake the dead rape! Have a rape weekend!
If you have to keep interacting with her, then I would toss a trojan horse-style hail mary. It probably doesn’t have much entertainment value, though:
“Ha. Just like that….? It figures….I guess I should just pass on what I’m learning to you…”
Her: What’s that
“Never cheat. It’s like all women can sense that it happened…”
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She already doesn’t like you, so this switches gears and sets you up as an earnest non-threat, which could disarm her bitch shields. Of course, you’re now infecting her with the pre-selection worm. You’ve also given yourself a great chick-crack springboard — “woo-woo chicks can sense this, it’s like ESP woo-woo.”
If she expressed ANY interest at all in hearing me talk, I would press on with a DQ…”you here to meet guys? That guy over there seems perfect for you.” Then I would redirect back to the chick-crack woo-woo shit and maybe get to know her and go from there.
I tend to use these kinds of tactics on lukewarm girls. So, YMMV on a straight-up “No” girl.
Speaking for myself a No Girl would have to pay me to have sex with her. A buck would do: it’s just to preserve my self-esteem.
If the question is: what’s the best comeback, then my answer is: the comeback that makes me feel least bad about approaching the bitch.
Perhaps the simplest is the best: “no what?” then move on, without looking back. But don’t go back: move on in as straight a line as possible from the direction you approached.
Unless she is alone, I would not head straight for her in the approach, so a “no what?” would be especially effective. If it’s another girl in her set that gives the NO, you could turn to the target and ask her: what’s the matter with her? or something to that effect.
Rush Limbaugh today on Open Line Friday: Dude in Spain [???] gets all excited because his newlywed wife gave birth about 9 months after the wedding. Only the baby came out with unmistakable signs of dwarfism. Turns out that on her “Hen Night” [== Bachelorette Party], the bitch fornicated with a dwarf stripper. WE LOVE YOU RUSH!!!
How about “I had to take a shit anyway”?
These are good, but CH should put a “caution: for 50% of these there may be a drink thrown at you”
Maybe I’m from a super libbed out area…but a couple of these responses will most likely get her to throw her drink at you or at least escalate with her voice
The ones that got an F for game
It could be that she’s telling you a good thing.
A very hot chick alone at the bar gave me a strong “No” hand sign. I knew she was a flight attendant, used to many approaches. I pressed on.
I don’t exactly remember how the conversation then went because I was sucker-punched off my barstool and then kicked in the face while on the ground. Bouncers threw all parties out the door.
I got four stitches at a nearby hospital ER, then spent the rest of the night in the police station sobering up and explaining how I got there. Assaults were mandatorily reported upon ER admission to the police, who took me into custody. I found the Dubai police unsympathetic to any situation wherein alcohol is involved. Having my job sponsored by the Dubai Municipality itself probably kept me from being ejected from the country.
“Next” would have been a much grander idea.
Yikes. Gulf Arab countries are the biggest sausagefests on the planet, so I can imagine that the few men who managed to get a hot girlfriend will be a little aggressive about keeping them.
Situational awareness. Roosh wrote a nice fiction story along the same lines but it took place in Russia.
Another throat-cutter sucker punch. Reminds me to thank you thwack for your advice in a previous thread. I’m quite happy not to have got into it with any Ali stabbas though. Live to fight another day like brave sir robin is often the best tactic
Judging Your Responses To ‘No Girl’
This is one of the reasons that I am a firm believer in setting things up to favor me. I wouldn’t even approach such a woman – reason, she’s a 5 (and I’m being generous) that thinks she’s a 9. Ergo, not worth my time.
In a situation like the above, I would say something like, “Don’t flatter yourself” and order a drink from the bartender then walk away. I’ve found that women like that – generally have a LOT more negatives that will lower that 5 in looks down to about a 2 or 3… I always go with my gut… Some women just aren’t worth the effort – that’s one in spades…
“I’ve found that women like that – generally have a LOT more negatives that will lower that 5 in looks down to about a 2 or 3… I always go with my gut… Some women just aren’t worth the effort – that’s one in spades…”
THIS
Since you asked how good is my state control, I will have you know that I am an enneagram Four and that my psychological virtue is equanimity. I could drop that line even if the world was ending right behind me.
But you are right, I would not get that girl with that line. Needs improvement.
Surprised nobody would ask “a hitler fan too, eh?”
That’s merely the informal heil… a true fan always uses the stiff-armed formal version.
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USA: you reap what you sow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpWzoFOkiqw
The anthem of a generation
The teenage girls who abandoned their families in Austria to become jihadis for ISIS feel they’re made a terrible mistake by joining the barbaric lifestyle and they want to come home. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3213689/posts
Getting knocked up by ISIS dune coons and then running home to some Euro-weenie provider dweeb has gotta qualify as the ne plus ultra of “Alpha fux Beta bux”.
jooish theater to get you proles all worked up
Also, they’re not Austrians. They’re Bosnian Muslims.
HB5+ & HB7+ Bosnian Muslim-ettes who got a taste of Euroweenie “Beta Bux” and now they want more. Frigging moon-god-worshipping mudshark grifters.
Should be no
re-admittance – of course these weak pussy cultures will welcome them back with open arms. Sad
Thwack, do you really subscribe to the view (which David icke expressed) that this is all an NWO chess game to initiate ww3? There’s talk that FEMA has stockpile a billion plus rounds of ammo, along with guillitines and transportion trains. This could point towards massive quarantine for the ebola outbreak, or martial law. It seems like science fiction conspiracy theory, but with the twin towers being so obviously a demolition, anything is possible. AmIrite?
Let them suffer for their choices. Actions have consequences and letting these two suffer might convince some other girls to not be so damn stupid.
Am I the only one who sees through this obvious ploy to install ISIS agents in a Western country? The girls have already been worked over and impregnated by so much dusty dick. It doesn’t make sense for them to come running home now.
Scipio,an average club dancer grrl gets 257 facebook requests from desperate horny club patrons in a single night. Imagine how many bleeding heart male feminists will try to digitally weasel their way into these poor victims’ lives to ‘console’ them and show them what nice guys they are. A book deal ala foxy knoxy and these peasants will be superstars. Weak, pitiful, pussy-pedestaling man.
To clarify: It doesn’t matter whether you have another set to open nearby or not. There are ways to DHV that involve directly DHV’ing to the girl herself or indirectly DHV’ing by doing something in her vicinity (and she’s aware of it) that makes her perceive you as higher value. That’s the binary it comes down to.
When she gives you an instant “NO!”, she’s cut off the ability to DHV directly TO her because she’s backturned you and dismissed you. She’s probably not still engaging with you (I’m talking about legit “NO!” girls not just flirty girls who are shit-testing you), which is why she’s not going to listen to the witty quips/negs/burns/etc. or classify them as anything other than butthurt. You’re basically trying to call the pizza place to put in an order after the place has closed for the night. Even if you have a really convincing reason why you should be delivered a pizza, there’s no one there to answer the phone.
So that leaves you with indirect methods of DHV’ing. The easiest one is Social Proof, which is what I recommend, because it’s the most versatile…anyone can be used for social proof, guys, girls, fat old women, your wingman or bros, a former fuckbuddy, the busboy who collects glasses, the store clerk, a bartender on the other side of an empty bar (in a crowded bar she can’t see you DHV’ing with a bartender on the other side of the room because of the crowd blocking her view)…you can use anyone at all, just be cool and make them smile and it DHVs that you’re a social guy that people like. A classic oldschool move BradP (I think) came up with is to approach the hottest set of girls in the club when you first walk in, using a totally indirect opener asking for advice about your girlfriend so she likely won’t shoot you down, and then pull out your phone and show her a text and send a text while you talk to her…to the people watching (and everyone is watching if it’s early in the night and you just rolled up to the hottest set in the club), it looks like you opened, then got her phone number and showed her the phone to make sure her number was right lol
But if there’s literally NO ONE else in the area, other possibilities are to demonstrate some kind of amazing talent/skill nearby (like dancing solo on an empty dance floor), or try flashing money in some subtle way (tho you risk being categorized as a potential Provider)…or I don’t know, faking a high-value phone call of some kind? This all gets into pretty silly territory quickly because you’re alone and trying to demonstrate high-value when if you were ACTUALLY high-value you probably wouldn’t be alone in the first place lol It’s like trying to use a red crayon to draw something green.
So it’s not that opening another set within earshot, or saying the specific words about losing my virginity, etc. are the magic recipe that works. It’s that logically there are X number of ways to DHV, and the instant “NO!” removes Y percentage of those ways to DHV (all the direct ways are removed), and of the remaining Z number of ways to DHV (the indirect ways that are left), social proof is the easiest and most reliable and versatile and highest percentage play for DHVing indirectly.
1s and 0s, this is all just applying logic.
Also if I was totally FORCED to interact with her, like we were trapped in a stuck elevator with nowhere to go and no one else to interact with, I would go the “woah, relax I have a girlfriend (with a smile)” or “woah, relax, I was just going to ask if you knew the time, my phone is dead and I have an appointment I’m late for (with a smile)” route to totally disqualify myself to then come back in under the radar indirectly over time (ie – I’m disqualifying myself to buy myself potential time to DHV directly).
But in an environment where we can walk away from eachother, this isn’t as likely to work because in an enclosed environment where we both know we’ll be stuck with eachother for a bit she has more incentive to give me a break and try to make nice so our stay isn’t awkward.
So of the options listed in the OP, in a scenario where we can both walk away (VS an elevator situ where negs/insults/etc. will increase awkwardness and her fear of being raped lol), the ones that involve MASSIVE disqualification (“woah, relax, I thought you were my girlfriend’s friend, she just died”, “woah, relax, you’re not my type”, “woah, relax, I’m taken”, “woah, relax, I was just going to ask where the bathroom is” etc. type ones) are the ones that are the most likely to work and the type that I use to turn this around when I’ve had no choice, but they’re still just overall going to be a much lower percentage play than social proof because they rely on her active participation (if she’s past a certain “No!” point she won’t believe you or won’t let you even get the words out, if she’s only a half-assed “No!” then she MIGHT) whereas social proof requires nothing from her.
I say it in a bored voice tone like I’m telling a kid “no you can’t have a rocket ship” for the 100th time, and because I’m older I use an age disqualifier.
So it looks something like “woah, relax, you’re too young for me. I just want to know where the bathroom is, I have to take a piss. Jesus (in an annoyed tone).” (disqualify her as being too young, and disqualify myself by being crude and just looking for the bathroom). Then if I feel like the opening is there (ie – she answers me with a real answer instead of a brush-off vague point to the bathroom or an “I don’t know”, or she apologizes for brushing me off), I’ll transition into stuff like “shit, you must get hit on a lot to throw the hand up THAT fast. What’s so special about YOU?”
But even pulling this off takes the right circumstances and a lot of calibration in the moment…if you’re in a crowded bar and it’s natural to open them, sure, they might believe your disqualifying of yourself. But if the bar is mostly empty and you had to walk from across the room to approach their set AND they’re exceptionally hot, they KNOW you don’t really care where the bathroom is so you’re just starting from a handicap entirely (whereas using social proof would allow you to just lol and keep walking and chat whoever’s near them as if they were the ones you really meant to come chat with).
So I can’t recommend this route over social proof because it’s going to be reliant on a ton of uncontrollable variables and in-the-moment calibration to pull off consistently, VS something like social proof which is inherently more consistently going to work. I always recommend the optimal route first…there’s no reason to get swirly twirly fancy if you can pull off the bee-line for the goal.
Wtf? I get that pua techniques and game help people get laid…but do you not have any actual value at all… Seriously all of your posts are excellent for game and pua, but it makes it sound like you’re a loser with no actual value.
9.5/10 times the ‘no girl’ won’t even care….
The ‘no girl’ is a NEXT. Why the fuck would you a. Get a drink thrown at you (seen it happen many times) and b. Put effort into a bitch like this…
Find another girl who doesn’t have a stick up your ass and isn’t making your life hard…
“The ‘no girl’ is a NEXT.”
Can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked. That’s her Next’ing you because your game wasn’t tight enough to turn it around and your butthurt ego wants to protect itself. It’s fine to give up and admit you don’t know how to turn it around, you don’t have to go for every girl, but understand that you are giving up, not Next’ing her, because Next’ing is something you do with a girl you can GET. Giving up is what you do with a girl you were unable to get.
“Why the fuck would you a. Get a drink thrown at you (seen it happen many times) and b. Put effort into a bitch like this… Find another girl who doesn’t have a stick up your ass and isn’t making your life hard…”
Because for some guys pickup isn’t just about sex or we’d buy hookers. Why the fuck would you climb Mount Everest when you can climb the hill children play on at the local park?
Growth comes from challenging yourself.
when this happens i just next, unless there’s few women out
i can remember only one time i salvaged the convo after something this abrupt and it was because i just plowed and didn’t acknowledge her rudeness, it was a while ago so i can’t remember the outcome
asshole game works wonders here because she’s using the shield to weed out beta nice guys who will run with tail between their legs
another thing I’ve done is actually call her out on the rudeness for what it is, weeding out losers, this sets you up as “in the know” and on her playing field and works as a good ice breaker too
from there you can make fun of her by pointing out a ‘really nice guy’ that would be perfect for her, “i bet he’d buy you flowers and teddybears”
i don’t get all the butthurtness, revenge, and face-saving going on here, it’s a goddamn circus out there and nobody cares beyond the morning, go make fools of yourself and cause an embarrassing scene or two (not if you’re a regular there), 10 minutes later nobody remembers it and you’ll wonder why you cared in the first place
or; Pull back and exclaim in a loud voice …
“Fifty dollars!?… NO; I will NOT have sex with you for fifty dollars!”
…. then walk away in mock disbelief.
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“Well, I guess some other girl is gonna get luckier than you tonight.”
Burp…
Start the countdown on Nadella. He made the fatal mistake of apologizing to the Hivemind, also known as “slashing your own wrists in the shark-infested sewer.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29571754
‘At the conference, called the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing, he said: “It’s not really about asking for the raise, but knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along. Because that’s good karma. It’ll come back because somebody’s going to know that’s the kind of person that I want to trust,” he said.
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The comments sparked outrage and Mr Nadella has now apologised. In an email to staff, he said he answered the question “completely wrong” and “wholeheartedly” supported programmes to close the pay gap.’
Similar to the ‘no’ girl, I’ve had a girl just ignore me. A hard 9 with a big rock on her wedding finger. I couldn’t tell if it was real. I tried to open her and she just looked right past me, as if I were an apparition that wished to imagine out of existence. I expected resistance but not a complete freeze-out. All I could muster in the moment was, whoever put that rock on your finger is a fucking idiot, and walked off. I’m still trying to think of a better way to handle the complete freeze-out. Any innovations out there?
“Nice chatting with you. What’s that on your shoe?” And then smile and walk away when she looks down and sees nothing wrong with her shoes.
The 2 best faces you will ever see on a woman are 1. when she has cum harder than she ever has before, 2. when you have tuned up your instruments and played thru a piece of music that you both love – and hit every note, especially the last – dead on.
There really is no 3rd place.
Rum
when you have tuned up your instruments and played thru a piece of music that you both love – and hit every note, especially the last – dead on.
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Rum, when you do that do you have to think about each note before you play it?
K. T. Tunstall.
“Tangled up in Blue…”
Has anyone noticed how hipster/SWPL girls have begun to dye their hair gray?
What the hell is going on here. It’s been popping up both on campus and in my Facebook feed, with girls giving others the classic, “you go girl!” Every time. This is a sickness.
SWPLs not only dress like old people, but they dye their hair gray to match.
If they’d only act like old people it would be an improvement.
They are…they’re acting like Boomers.
sadly
History rape!
This happened to me once, and I managed to come back with “Well, if you won’t move, I guess I’ll go around the table to talk to your hot friend.” Got me a few tumbles, but she held a grudge over it.
The problem with DOBA’s response is that it’s too long, you just don’t get the time to say that much. Your reply has to be short and sweet, hence I go with the “nuke the bitch from orbit, it’s the only way she will learn not to do that shit again” crowd.
“I’m not a palm reader, I’m a gynecologist. C U Next Tuesday?”
Heartiste,
This is completely off topic, but check out this guy’s artwork:
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/10/cleon-petersons-dystopian-anti-white-future/
It truly captures: diversity + proximity = war
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FR from last night’s first date with a MILFy online HB7 – no questions as such, just interesting and a couple things I don’t understand, because it was my first time experiencing what YaReally says about disqualifying yourself as a Provider and how it can help.
Bottom line: Meeting to toilet BJ in 1 hr 45 min.
All the key points were there – it was really a standard (good) date – usual DHV stories, usual kino (good responses, no resistance, kiss first time) etc. Not worth repeating.
The interesting bit was how early on she was a bit reserved (the kino was good and she wasn’t resisting at all, but verbally she was a bit reserved). Basically she kept talking about how she’d met some weirdos online and what she wanted from online dating (which was basically to find a Provider – in fairly explicit terms) and obv I’m a good candidate cos I have a good job and make good money etc.
I held my frame and let her talk (up to a point) and then she asked what I wanted and I made it explicitly clear that I was looking to date fun women but I travelled a lot for work and simply wasn’t looking to take care of a woman or evne have a serious relationship.
And I kept escalating as normal. I got to the kiss (easy but reserved) and at this point I was thinking I need to set her up for a day 2.
About an hour in, it was as if a switch flipped and she went in the space of a few minutes from being a touch reserved to being *really* turned on and *she* started to move faster than me in sexualizing at one point – shortly after I kissed her a few times SHE started talking about her sexual fantasies (she wants to be Maggie Gyllenhaal in Secretary) and then I realized the door was open and pushed hard and we got really filthy in whispers in the bar.
Got her out of the bar into the toilet and it was one of the easiest toilet BJs I’ve had ever. Zero resistance. She loved it and thanked me.
Interesting things:
1. I’m not sure why her switch flipped so fast to being turned on and willing to do anything but think it had to do with me disqualifying as a provider
2. When I was walking her back to her car she talked about how she had another female friend who would really be into me and would probably stalk me but her friend was too old for me plus her friend wanted a relationship which I didn’t want. I mean WTF? Why would the woman who has just given me a BJ be talking about hooking me up with her friend??
Just to add to my Field Report comment in mod – two toilet BJs (and one HJ) off 4 first dates this week has really given me a new appreciation for the importance of managing logistics (all three of the above would have been first nights fucks if I could have gotten the girls home).
Now that I’m better at generating attraction and sexualizing, the logistics aspect is a lot clearer..when you’re more of a novice it’s harder to think much beyond “how do I get this girl to keep talking to me”
Update to above Field Report – the woman has not responded to my standard next day comfort text saying I enjoyed myself last night and thank you. This from a woman who always responded instantly to previous texts.
This isn’t Buyer’s Remorse – then she WOULD have responded to a text after giving me a BJ. My reading is that this is her deciding she doesn’t want to date me if I’m not going to be a Provider and hoping I won’t be too clingy just because we shared a fun sexual experience and good memories..
Sound about right?
Answer to the “no” hand:
Sorry, thought you had downs syndrone and was trying
to be nice
Beta of the century (so far)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/man-loves-fiance-killed-murder-hire-plot/story?id=26085035
K.T. Tunstall is a half-mad Scot. A girl folk singer of violent intensity.
Actually, she is less than 0.1 %different genetically from the green-eyed, red – haired Kurds who are fighting for their lives, as we speak.
Iraqi Kurds saved my daughters life just because they are very K selected people.
My plan would be to put several 100 B 52 bombers in the air to carpet bomb anyone in the ME who could not prove they were Kurdish.Then I would get serious.
Whatever you think about the Muslims isn’t it policy to try to win them over – at least the moderates? After all some wanted Turkey as part of Europe. So now we have an opportunity to help the Kurds – who actually seem to want our help and we throw it away. Strange
With a truly puzzled expression and tone “So you don’t have a boyfriend?”
A little non-sequitur that, if you’re lucky, makes her go “What? No, I was telling you…” Break in there with a smirk and something like “It’s a little aggressive to share that before I even say hello.” And so on.
And if she instead responds with more snark (likely) such as “No I don’t have a boyfriend, but I don’t want to talk to you” then you can always mutter “Not hard to believe” as you back-turn.
YaReally, Sentient, HABD and the gang – actually, I do have one quick question.
While on the above date (big post in mod), I had a text from a girl who flaked on me a couple days ago (ASD after big makeout session/HJ a few days ago). I ignored her, she reinitiated.
I replied after a couple hours and we (during my date) exchanged some texts in which she asked what I was doing tonight.
I replied (all truth) saying I was just finishing a date and had to go to a party later but I was going past her place and could do a quick drink in a bar near hers for an hour (I mentioned the date to amp up my social proof and suggested drink in nearby bar so as not to trigger ASD).
She replied one word: “Date?” and nothing. I replied (was a bit drunk by this point – bad idea) saying “Lol. Just a quick drink before I head to the party..don’t get ideas about getting me drunk and taking advantage”. No reply from her.
Think I may have lost her but there is a slim possibility the social proofing will work and she will text me in a few days.
Normally I’m all for social proofing by (casually) mentioning other dates but in this case with a girl with heavy ASD I wonder if I should have run a bit more beta comfort and just said “Just finishing in [area], can swing by for a drink near your place before my party”?
“With a friend…” is a more mysterious text. “Date” reactivated her ASD.
Yeah walawala – I think that’s what happened. Pity – she has a smoking body and is really into me but not sure how salvageable this is. Oh well – this is how you learn (I wasn’t even drunk when I sent the date text – only when I sent hte next one)
@Culum Wait a few weeks and then reach out again like nothing happened. This has happened to me. I waited 4 months. Then met the girl who had blown me off. She could wait to see me again. Following week carted her out, major make out. Logistics prevented a bang.
@CS
ASD…also, did you call your prior ‘engagement’ with said HJ hottie a ‘date’?…or just a hook up? girls don’t like to be ‘down graded’ for other girls = ASD…or ‘second placed’ (which is different than her ‘sharing’) = ASD…lol…more comfort/rapport and NO sexualizing until ‘isolated location’…lol…if you can even get her out again…lol
also…’quirky friend’ per @wala…lol…
also, your second text is beta bc you are not owning your ‘date’…lol…although the ambiguity was nice, both reads were qualifying to HJ girl…lol…proper response was ‘lol’…that’s all…lol..
on your FR above…MILF wants a provider…you have shown you are not a provider (with resultant fun sex…lol…good job on that btw…lol)…so, since people only have so much time, she is probably moving on with looking…BUT she should still be open to fb status until she meets someone to fill that role…and maybe even after that…lol…just let her know that it’s available and that it won’t cost her any time away from ‘looking’ for said provider…lol…but you’re going to have to overcome some ASD…lol…
on her mentioning her friend = shit test for player status/provider potential = did you ask about her friend at all? (would you do a 40yo Monica Bellucci?…lol)…no = potential provider = ASD…lol…or maybe she wanted you to push for a threesome…lol…but you are right, generally girls don’t ‘share’ unless they have to…lol…
also, on the ‘fast switch flip’… girls really do LOVE sex…lol…they just are wired to withhold it from betas/providers…get out of that role/potential role and it really is easy as that…lol…also, why would you need to be home for the big F…? no condom in your pocket?…lol…isolated location = isolated location…lol…
good luck!
Holy shit I fucked up bad tonight. I took out this Colombian chick (6 years older than me) for drinks and my game was rock solid the whole time, until I let the most obvious come-on slip through my fingers. We went to a bar by the beach and the entire time I teased the shit out of her, she’d giggle, I’d nudge her, she’d nudge back, and of course I subtly brought up sex a few times and watched her gnaw on her bottom lip. Afterwards, we started walking towards my car when she said she was cold. Here’s where I fucked up. I didn’t say anything. Funny thing is, this very same signal has gotten me laid a dozen times before so needless to say I know I was supposed to move in for the fucking kill but for whatever reason I didn’t. To top it all off, when I drove her back home she gave me a half-ass hug and called me “my friend.” I cringed. As a last ditch effort, I said “no goodbye kiss?” I cringed harder. You guys could probably guess her response. I ended banging a girl I’ve been tired of for months just to cure my blue balls. I just got home and contemplated this shit the whole way. This chick is a hard 9.9 if I ever saw one. There aren’t a lot of girls like her on campus. She’s a Ferrari amongst a lot full of BMWs and I would very much like to bang her for several weeks. Would any of you fellas say there’s a rebound solution or is this a lost cause. Thanks for any advice in advance.
Perhapsh you are wondering what I would do. Well, thish happened to me oncsh. I leaned in confidently and whishpered something in her ear. Her look of annoyance tranformed into a delighted giggle. I don’t need to tell you how thish shtory ends. What did I whishper in her ear? Now that would be telling.
But here ish some more ushful advice; something I might do, that you may be able to pull off. Just say, jokingly, “Now thats a bit harsh. We men have feelingsh to you know.” Shay thish with a shmirk on your face as if you find the whole thing delightfully amusing. What to do nexsht depends on her reaction.
Now, of coursh, I do not suffer from approach anxiety, but here is a thought for those of you who do. When I was on an assignment in the Congo, shome of the rebelsh, after gang raping a young girl, deliberately punctured the wall between her vagina and rectum before sending her back to her village. Thish type of injury doesh not heal and leaves the girl a stinking, incontinent, pariah for the resht of her life. After my subsequent encounter with these rebels her majesties government had the cheek to reprimand me for “unnecessary use of deadly forsh”. But that’s neither here nor there, my point ish that nexsht time you are worried about being shot down by a woman, recall thish incident to give yourshelf a litlle pershpective.
Gotta go now, duty calls.
Ok, here is your mission should you choose to accept it.
Pick out 3 of these women to bang in the order you would bang them:
http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2012/04/50-beautiful-women-over-50.html
Pam Grier, Pam Grier, and Pam Grier… just to muh-dik you muh-dikkers.
LZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLOZLOZL
I see your Pam Grier and raise you one Hellen Mirren; Im sure she has some lower class, out of control, inner british whore potty mouth begging to be release.
The reason I didn’t pick Mirren is because I seem to recall her kowtowing to the mudshark imperative pushed by your friends and mine who don’t control the mainstream media…
Some PBS BritCop drama, if memory serves.
In short… you’re a day late. lzozlzozlzolzozlozlozlozlozl
I only know about her from Prime Suspect; I had no idea she was once hot (in and English kinda way) back in the day. Regardless, she still had a latent sexiness in Prime Suspect; I think she knows what carpet burns are.
She was hotter than hot… check her out in Age Of Consent and O Lucky Man.
Off topic:
CH, what do you think of this? (The URL summarizes it nicely)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11154107/Dwarf-stripper-gets-bride-pregnant-on-her-hen-night.html
It’s a fake story…notice there are no pictures of the subjects. Euro-trash tabloid fantasy spun from thin air.
This is an utter and complete trainwreck – I’m speechless how much of a trainwreck this woman is
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elloa-atkinson/i-love-my-husband-but-heres-why-i-want-to-cheat_b_5909882.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Here’s her web page – it just gets worse: http://www.elloaatkinson.com/
Stop giving her page hits
I couldn’t go for whorefinder’s rape game, but I’d be tempted to, when the hand came up and the “No!” came out. to grab her by the lapels, lift her off the barstool into the air, and reply “Yes!” as I slowly slid her back down to earth on my chest and groin.
Wouldn’t THAT be fun! 😉
Being a man of a certain age – I would grab her upraised hand and bring it down to handshake level – and then do exactly that while saying “This is the proper way to shake hands”
I’m in my late fifties so I was in my 20s and 30s before the age of female entitlement really kicked in. But out of curiousity: is the “No Girl” a frequently encountered species in today’s “scene”?