The Anti-Gnostic comments a lot over at Cheap Chalupas headquarters, and he (best guess) is usually good for a pithy shiv.
How the market prices white neighbors is one of those economic phenomena that economists’ wives understand better than they do.
There are a lot of things non-economists understand better than economists, not because economists are dumb, but because economists are superfluously smart and cursed with an addiction to hyper-rationalize their faulty feelgood priors.
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You’re too hard on economists. They’re infinitely more rational than most other people in the social sciences, and a lot of them have reasonable views on race and gender that they keep to themselves. Economists are like 50% Republican, compared to much lower rates among other social scientists, and this is despite the fact that economists tend to be socially liberal.
I was gonna say. It’s not just economists who keep quiet about functions we see around us, such as Darker Neighborhood -> People Moving. If they speak up they lose their jobs and have their careers ruined. So it is for everyone in the Outer Party. The proles also risk their jobs, but not as much, because they are not as potentially dangerous as outspoken Outer Party members.
Another comment:
The late James Q. Wilson on racial gaps in crime: “Black men commit murders at a rate about eight times greater than that for white men. This disparity is not new; it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia, he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate. This gap existed long before the invention of television, the wide distribution of handguns, or access to dangerous drugs (except for alcohol).”
http://media.hoover.org/sites/default/files/documents/0817998721_115.pdf – See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/07/the-prison-boom-and-the-lack-of-black-progress.html#comments
My dad was a noted govt economist and believer in a more equitable distribution of income in America.
One time when I was 16 my friend and I were in west Dayton, sitting at a stop light getting ready to light up a doob.
Then some old drunk black guy slammed into our gigantic 60s station wagon.
After that some other car came screeching to a halt behind the drunk and a big fat black dude gets out and starts screaming that he was a deputy sheriff.
A crowd gathered and a small melee ensued.
Fortunately the cops showed up before we got dragged into it.
The next day I told my dad. He said “What the hell were you doing in that part of town”.
Then “Elmer, you get in trouble over there and you won’t have a friend in the world.”
Pops knew the truth.
Could some of you “game” experts could help me with an issue xD i wrote it in a post in my blog 🙂
The Economics Profession is full of morons. Their models and analytic methods are way too simple. Just to illustrate how dumb the bastards are, the Krauts did a study to see how many predicted the GFC in published work. Out of the thousands out there, roughly twenty did so. Let’s put this massive fail into perspective. It’s the equivalent of astronomers not being able to see the moon.
Much of West’s economic and moral malaise is due to Keynesian and Chicago school economics.
Man Uses Spreadsheet to List All the Times Wife Turned Down Sex; Wife Posts It on Reddit
http://www.mediaite.com/online/man-uses-excel-spreadsheet-to-list-all-the-times-his-wife-turned-down-sex/
Agree. Economists are the ones who ask the uncomfortable questions. If everyone could have all the ponies they wanted, then there would be no need for economics. But they can’t, and economists are the ones who warn against communistic ideas.
There are also other sorts of economists, but even Marxist economists have to state their assumptions and reason mathematically to their conclusions.
He’s not saying that we should give all to the blacks. He’s pointing out that the blacks have failed despite 50 years of affirmative action. This raises the question of whether they can never succeed without unfair support. Who else is going to say such things — sociologists? anthropologists? black studies professors?
“communistic” That’s not even a word.
CHIMPANZEE PERVERT WITH PRIESTLY CLASS JEW NAME TAKES PORNO MOVIES OF 8000 GYNECOLOGICAL PATIENTS:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3183138/posts
Son of a gun, you’re right. Name sounds Jewish, actually he’s a chimp.
Think of all these patients thinking they were going to get an intelligent Jewish doctor, then in walks … that.
Economists would be better at their job if they start reading sites like this instead of the WSJ and NYT.
At least we’d get them laid more often.
I think people equate “economist” with “macro economist” too much. Macro economics is what you see the newspapers write about and politicians discuss. But the vast majority of economists work with the papers and numbers that keep a private business going. They took the mandatory classes in macro economics in school but spent the rest of the time learning about accounting, statistics, cost-benefit analysis and the like. It is a very wide field and they have a whole lot of functions in various businesses.
But everyone has a political opinion about macro economics (the study of a nation’s economy). And you can always find someone educated in macro economics who contradicts you (lyingly if a leftist, honestly if a [true] conservative). Those are the economists you see, so you get pissed at economists.
> “economists are superfluously smart and cursed with an addiction to hyper-rationalize their faulty feelgood priors”
Heartiste [or is this a stand-in ringer for Heartiste?], you’re being too kind. Any university professor – who deals with the kinds of mathematical [or at least pseudo-mathematical] material which econ profs deal with on a regular basis – knows within five minutes of trying to help his first NAM student, during office hours, that the entire diversity industry is worse than a scam or a fraud.
Fuck me, how could that have gotten LIFO’ed? Anyway, continuing with the thought, there are two kinds of econ professors in this world: 1) Those who are actual members of the Frankfurt School, and who know that “diversity” is the single most powerful weapon which they have ever wielded to destroy the shkotzim [even more powerful than “feminism”], and 2) Those who are too terrified of the Frankfurt School to speak out against “diversity”.
Guys like Thomas Sowell, and Victor Davis Hanson, who are willing to speak out against “diversity” [and in the case of Sowell, to speak out against the behavior of HIS OWN RACE!!!] are one-in-a-million. But even they can only do so from the relative safety of Fortress Hoover.
Speaking of Herbert Hoover, as Secretary of Commerce, he did everything in his power to try to keep the Frankfurt School from starving to death the people of Russia, in the early 1920s – although, even with his intervention, the Frankfurt School was still able to starve to death about 6 million. But then after the Frankfurt School elevated FDR to the presidency, in 1933, Hoover was unable to send aid any longer, and the Frankfurt School murdered another 10 million in the Holodomor.
http://www.garethjones.org/published_articles/st_patricks/litvinov_famine_denia_oldl.htm
Here’s another little Frankfurt School gem – relevant to how horrible these people [and their minions] really are, and, as we were discussing a few days ago [“The Unhappy Woman Is A Feminist Archetype”], to the horrible suffering of the victims of their poisoning:
New York City is the most unhappy city in America
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3182722/posts
And since we’re talking about the Frankfurt School and the dismal science, I want to start getting this out into public: Years and years ago, towards the end of his career, I heard an interviewer ax David Brinkley what he thought to have been the single biggest change he had seen in Washington DC during his career, and Brinkley paused, and thought about it for a few seconds, and then he said, “Income tax withholding”.
Brinkley felt that it was the introduction of income tax withholding [from each paycheck, rather than as a big lump-sum payment on April 15th] which had allowed Washington DC to transform itself, from a sleepy little southern town on the Potomac into a Godzilla-sized metastasizing cancer hell-bent on destroying everything in its path.
Thomas Sowell is indeed worth reading, he brings up many good statistical gems. Also Walter Williams, another Black economist who has been known to speak honestly about the race circus in politics.
if you’ve ever heard sowell and williams sit in for rush limbaugh, it’s pretty great. sowell sounds like he’s doing an over-the-top thurston howell and williams goes on and on about how lucky the misses williams is to have such a man as he and how her birthday just passed and he got her that broom she’s been eyeing. i think they’d both be great company aside from economics.
So fast-forward a few years after that, and I’m reading an obituary of a famous economist, and I come to discover that he was the father of income tax withholding, and guess what his filthy fucking jew name was? MILTON GOD-DAMNED FRIEDMAN!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman#Public_service
There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the economists who are supposed to be on our side – Milton “Income Tax Withholding” Friedman, Herbert “Wage and Price Controls” Stein, Alan “Alisa Rosenbaum-ian Libertardian” Greenspan, Ben “Let’s Bail Out Goldman Sachs” Bernanke – and their kissing cousins, Karl Marx and Emma Goldman and Rosa Luxemburg and Lev Davidovich Bronshtein and all the rest of them.
They are all here in our midst with one single uniting purpose – ERADICATE THE SHKOTZIM!!!!! – every God-damned one of them.
More Frankfurt School shenigans involving the Frankfurt School economist, Lois Lerner, who answered to the Frankfurt School economist, Doug Shulman, who answered to the Frankfurt School economist, Timothy Geithner, who answered to the Frankfurt School economist, Lloyd Blankfein…
…The testimony revealed another bizarre turn in the saga: The technician, or, specialist, who tried to recover the data from Lerner’s hard drive on that June day in 2011 may have been BLIND. Manning testified, “According to the Specialist, prior to joining the Internal Revenue Service, from 2004 to 2005, formal Microsoft training was completed through Lions World Services for the BLIND…”
http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/day-8-irs-still-cant-find-lerners-hard-drive/
In fairness to ‘ole Alissa, though she was, on paper, a doctrinaire libertardian anti-raciss, her screaming contempt for Third World everything is bracing in a way very few post-World War I writers have ever allowed themselves.
It’s like Kipling, or the stereotyped idea of Kipling, funneled through a crazy Jewish chick. Sometimes I read one of her lectures (these tend to be her least doctrinaire pieces, since she at least half-tries to appeal to common decency and plain sense instead of “Objectivism”) as a bedtime soporific.
Like Beavis and Butthead marathons in college days, they have a strangely calming and purgative effect.
Writer known as Zombie Shane, I am with you in your Franfurt School hatred and frustration. I have lots of encyclopedias and other books published before 1930. What you write here is true but it is difficult to explain these concepts to friends, family etc. If it weren’t for my autodidactic tendencies, I’m sure I would be unaware as well. There has to be a way to puncture the ever thickening numbness of the populace. It seems like you and I merely stir the pot. Need an action plan.
From Wikipedia:”He helped to invent the payroll withholding tax system, since the federal government badly needed money in order to fight the war.[28] He later said, “I have no apologies for it, but I really wish we hadn’t found it necessary and I wish there were some way of abolishing withholding now.”
Even the great ones make mistakes. Great men make larger and more costly mistakes than fools, because no one trusts fools with important decisions.
IT WASN’T A MISTAKE.
IT WAS STANDARD JEW OPERATING PROCEDURE – SUBDUE AND OVERWHELM THE SHKOTZIM VIA DEBT SLAVERY.
So my gf is in another city right now. I’ve made her quit smoking and drinking.
Is it too much to expect her to give up pubbing as well?
It’s her last week on the internship, she returns Saturday. She asked my permission to have a mocktail (not an alcoholic drink) with friends in a pub/disco.
The idea didn’t feel right, so I said OK, and hung up. Been ignoring her since then.
What do you think?
BG:
She was a virgin two months ago when I met her. I took her virginity. 19yo. Had a bf before, and was intimate, but only oral. That’s her story.
Real easy sex. Real submissive.
Her father died last year, and that changed her. Went from being very timid and “nice” to being somewhat of a rebel, though it was limited to smoking/drinking/partying/marijuana.
She is in love with me. I am mostly indifferent, but I’d be lying if I said I don’t care. I have another gf on the side, and they both know it.
She’s sent me upwards of a dozen messages today. Tells me she didn’t have anything alcoholic, and was back before 8PM.
I still haven’t responded. I don’t like the idea of my gf hanging out in pubs and bars.
What do you all think?
I think it’s sad that you are so insecure you feel the need to control every aspect of her everyday life.
What are clubs except a music-filled meatspace packed with booze, smokes, and sex? Add the power of peer pressure from her slutty friends into the mix, and your girlfriend is as good as Eve in the garden of Eden. She’ll be lighting up with her friends on the patio, and taking “sips” from their drinks as they laugh and grind on the dance floor. Thirsty dudes are everywhere, and they’ll be clamoring for a shot at buying her a shot. It’s free, so why not? Next thing you know, his hands will be all over her and his tongue jammed straight down her throat. If he’s got game, it won’t just his tongue that enters her. Simply put, the temptation to let loose is too great for her resist. Like they say: “YOLO!”
You got first dibs on her pussy and that’s a huge accomplishment. You’ll always be the one who drew first blood and she’ll remember you forever, no matter how many cocks and cunts she takes over her lifetime. Rest assured that you’ve already made your mark, so don’t be afraid to lose her because you’ve already won. If she goes, then you’ve got an opportunity to find fresh snatch.
Go fuck your other girl and be on the lookout for new girls to join your team. Easier said than done, I know. However, it’s the only way to stop caring about any particular girl. When your energies are spread out between many instead of directed toward one, you simply don’t have time to waste on the petty drama of any single girl. You become truly indifferent because your own goals always come first. Girls are changeable accessories in your ever-changing life, which should be swapped out when they fall out of fashion. Once you internalize the belief that you are actually doing them a favor by allowing them into your life, you’ll understand that there is no girl in the world that will complete you. Only you can do that. And since you don’t care what happens to them, they’ll be drawn to you like moths to a flame. Nothing says outcome independence like a phone buzzing 24/7 from the incoming texts sent from multiple girls.
I think you’re massively controlling and it’s going to bite you in the arse eventually.
Why wouldn’t you just tell her you didn’t want her to go? She cares and respects you enough to ask your permission, and you said it was ok. Plenty of guys don’t mind if their gfs go out. Was she supposed to read your mind?
Either text her “Good girl”, which will give her some tingles as her obedience will have been acknowledged, or continue to ignore. When she asks why you didn’t respond (or responded only once), simply tell her that you had already given her instructions. Any further inquiry on her part should be met with stony silence, then a scowl as you leave the room. Her dad died when she was young, so she’s going to have abandonment issues; exploit them. Speaking of which….
Now that daddy is gone, it will be your responsibility to be the Authority Figure in her life. If you don’t want her in pubs and bars, then add that to the Rule Book. X-out whichever among “smoking/drinking/partying/marijuana” that you don’t like. You have the whip hand, use it. Besides, submissive girls crave structure. She’ll thank you for it. From her knees.
À bientôt,
Mistral
Shitthatdidnthappen.txt, is what I think, that or seek professional help.
You’ve stripped off some bad habits – now start building her up. Encourage her to hit the gym, grow her hair long, learn erotic dancing and sexual techniques.
You have a pliable virgin. It doesn’t get any better … over-game the way you are – and I can attest – you’ll regret miserably having blown such a chance.
You should probably KNOW if she was virgin. Bloody, have to penetrate hymen, generally pretty lame sex. May not be tight if her kegel muscles haven’t even developed yet.
@Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh
Man I am already too busy with my career right now. Can;t handle more than two girls.
But yeah I now know what I needed to know. I’ll just prohibit bars/pubs from now.
@Amy
Good point
@Mistral
I spoke to her yesterday. Did the “good girl” on her. She was giddy.
Sad little man. Ever the same rant.
Directed at Zombie Lame, not you, quora.
ZS needs to get laid.
You know what’s worse than ZS mentioning FRANCFORT SCHUUL all the time? Mindless sheep being SHOCKED, yes SHOCKED, that politics is a shrewd game where what the mediocrities would call “conspiracies” happen all too often.
Drop dead.
To be honest I’d rather ZS’s “hate facts” than some highly strung faggot feigning shock over reading them.
Don’t bother telling us all how upset you are again you temperamental jellyfish.
Say there, Ranger… instead of tsk-tsk’ing Zombie’s information, try refuting it… that would at least separate your mere hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth from the rest of your herd of usual suspect apparatchiks..
Barring that… avaunt, you shill fairy.
As Bryan Caplan arrogantly admitted, the job of leftist intellectuals — which includes these economists — is little more than marketing for the ruling classes
“The ruling classes”? That’s pretty broad.
Rather than bitching about them, why not achieve and become a member?
Caplan wasn’t bitching about them. He was gloating about them.
All posts titled “COTW” trigger the same spam algorithm, like “Lily” above.
yea but white people don’t believe in freedom not even for themselves
Reblogged this on Mindweapons in Ragnarok.
You’re not too hard on economists. Keep up the good work.
The following is off topic but worthy of notice, imo.
Ulterior motives may have been behind the recent missile strike on that Malaysian airliner flying over the Ukraine. Please see the following article regarding transcrepancies between the video’s creation and date-time of its uploading:
“Ukraine Releases YouTube Clip “Proving” Rebels Shot Down Malaysian Flight MH-17″
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-releases-youtube-clip-proving-rebels-shot-down-malaysian-flight-mh-17
Please pass the link along if you decide not to publicize.
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The problem with economists is that they haven’t figured out if the Real World works in their theories, yet.
That said, living among Darkies isn’t necessarily so bad. I spent four years living in a down-market neighborhood. My neighbors were mostly older people and single moms (sometimes multiple generations living together, so there might be a grandfather, but never a father, present).
This worked out for me b/c, as a white man, *nobody* was going to give me any trouble–I made a point of meeting the unofficial “mayor”, anyway, and he put the word out that I was cool. Also, in general, men don’t get that hung up on race anyway. The flats were actually quite nice (they had been “weeded and seeded”). I saved, on average, about $10,000 a year living there rather than a mile away in a “corporate” building with too many uptight white and asian people. My friends would refer to my neighborhood as “Africa”, and I got a lot of street cred among the swipls I work with for living there (they thought I was really brave and the black folks I worked with thought I was really cool). Indeed, swipl girls would get pussy tingles from me taking them home to the Dark Continent, knowing that my beefy biceps were the only thing b/w the local Uruks and the thin cotton of their panties. So they got the vicarious thrill of getting railed in the ‘hood with the safety blanket that, if I got one past the goalie, the baby would be white.*
Once the market corrected, I bounced, and bought a swank house for 2/3 of what the guy I bought if from had in it, so I Nailed The Dismount.
À bientôt,
Mistral
*Would I have brought a wife and/or kids there? NFW. Weekend passes only.
Did you run into thwack
Had a threesome with Thwack and his gf, I believe…
Word, as an added bonus it’s a detterant for crazy stalker chicks. It’s hard for a chick to stake out your pad when it’s a palace in the ghetto.
the only problem is it is easy for them to move three houses down
saw a chick today that I haven’t seen in almost two years
she said she jealous of my girl and my girl gonna hate her cause she is gonna take her place and she movin in three houses down
she had already heard my girl was preggers
asked me anything new going on he he he
how should I of handled that one?
i’m slowly being surrounded by woman who want my dick
A propos this discussion of economic theory, beware the supply doesn’t outpace the demand.
If you’re a cop or firefighter, bonus points for your ghetto palace + uniform, plus as anonymous points out, the crazy chicks you pump and dump might be less likely to stalk you.
The problem with economists is that they haven’t figured out if the Real World works in their theories, yet.
You misunderstand. The liberal academic doesn’t care how the real world works. Or rather, she expects the real world operates exactly in accordance with her theories.
The entire field of economics operates like that. You can find the ‘conservative’ free trade proponents spew their trite verbiage based on assumptions of capital imobility and/or perfect currency markets, the open border fanatic ramble on based on models that assume within country labor homogeneity and between country labor heterogeneity etc. The reality is that you can prove anything by changing the assumptions, which is why theoretical economics is rather a waste of time. One should maybe bother with experimental economics or economic history.
Pijama if you knew any math, you would understand why simplifying assumptions are necessary, to get a model that can be solved and understood. That doesn’t mean it includes every detail of real life.
Which “simplifying assumption” requires every economist on tv to postulate a “shortage of labor”, contrary to all their splendid textbook axioms?
If you can balance a checkbook, you know enough math for that one . . . .
FamilyMan, the problem is that making models for the sake of making models is a waste of time, which is what the vast majority of economics is. I’m an economist so I do understand mathematics and how this field operates.
Let’s take the immigration studies. The models based on the within country homogeneity will tell you that open borders will produce massive benefits to all countries because all Germans know how to make screwdrivers and all Italians know how to make screws. Of course, you can just as easily assume between country workforce homogeneity(which is actually closer to reality) and you will get, using pretty much the same model, that immigration restriction is the way to go.
In the case of free trade, it’s rather simple. If you don’t know the terms, google Kaldor-Hicks efficiency and Pareto efficiency. Most free trade research assumes, in order for Pareto efficiency to hold, that the state will tax the winners from free trade and pay the losers. This assumption is so out of touch that it requires yet another assumption: that the government has perfect information and an efficient way to tax the winners and pay the losers(of course, you will have the same advocates turn around and say that communism doesn’t work because the government can’t have perfect information etc etc). So Pareto efficiency is simply impossible and the only reason economists make these additional assumptions to show free trade is Pareto efficient is simply because they’re dishonest. The reality is that there are winners and losers from free trade.
Now, it might make sense for a society to have free trade regardless of Pareto efficiency. Kaldor Hicks efficiency means society is made better off, regardless of some people being made worse off(which can also be meaningless: if we executed everyone convicted of murder on the first trial and stripped them of the ability to have recourse, society would most likely be better off because only a few people are convicted of murder relatively speaking and even fewer are falsely convicted). Now, the problem with most of the free trade being K-H efficient is that they assume either capital immobility since they require Ricardian comparative advantage to hold and comparative advantage assumes capital immobility. If capital isn’t immobile in the real world, comparative advantage won’t apply and what will happen is labor cost arbitrage(the more mobile the capital in a sector, the further down wages will be pushed). The same problem exists for perfect currency markets. This is long enough so I won’t bother detailing it. Theoretical economics is largely intellectual masturbation with no real applicability to the real world.
Lucius, the reality is that most economists are nothing more than activists with credentials. They will simply say whatever gets them paid. Those people say labor shortages exist because the industry decided for a level of compensation they’d like, wages are higher than that and consequently there’s a labor shortage. But that’s like saying there’s a shortage of BMWs because I can’t buy a new one for $5000.
Mistral, cool story, especially the dismount.
My theory is that the “black undertow” is a tool wielded by “developers” to:
a) keep white people piled up on top of each other over paying for shelter.
b) a tool to force white people to leave areas the developers want for other purposes.
Want white people to move? (to the brand new overpriced subdivision you just built?)
Inject some section 8 bastards, and some heroin. Watch the whites move out;
then move the blacks out and build an office tower…
Great post, would read again.
I know an old white guy who lives in the black section of the Bronx. He’s just fine there, he’s old and defenseless, but nobody bothers him at all.
They probably admire his sexual conquests tbh.
They understand it perfectly well, but they can’t talk about it.
Violence and crime pushes home value down. Pushes up the cost of running businesses as well and that gets passed on to the consumer. Nonviolent social cooperation aka markets create prosperity. Austrian economists understand this at least.
“Pushes up the cost of running businesses as well and that gets passed on to the consumer”
And yet in my good area things are more expensive than in the ghetto.
It depends which things you’re talking about probably. But either way high crime lowers the value of homes in an area so Heartiste is wrong that economists don’t talk about it. Free market economists do or at least Austrians.
Mike, most businesses pay rent. The rent has the crime rate factored in more often than now so there aren’t any substantial costs of crime that get passed on to consumers, if the businesses operating there even have the market power to be able to pass costs to consumers(if you care for the theoretical models of why this is, go borrow an advanced microeconomics textbook that handles various market situations). The same market power also allows businesses to do price discrimination, which is why a bottle of water would be cheaper in the Bronx than in Manhattan even if rents and crime rates were the same. Things aren’t as simple as ‘businesses pass costs to consumers’.
males with iq >130 have social dysfunction
not so for females
Hi Sheldon
wouldn’t know dick, never met one.
i think women with >130 IQ have dysfunctions as well, but they aren’t as conspicuous as male dysfunctions. for instance, super smart chicks tend to be, in my experience, extremely slutty and prone to relationship drama. this kind of stuff doesn’t register on social surveys, so it tends to get missed.
Can confirm about “prone to relationship drama”, have learned that usual alpha / shit test response is the way to go.
awesome
I’ve known some ballin’ ass >130 dudes
What females do you have as examples? They are fairly rare.
Why are “civil rights” groups (as I grab for my glock) always want to force the government to move subsidized renters into mostly white neighborhoods and housing complexes? It’s a de facto / unspoken acknowledgement of reality.
Agree, this has been the agenda for 30+ years now. Before that we built good sturdy apartment buildings for them, put fences around them, called them “projects” and paid to make them go away there. It worked.
Then the social reformers started talking about how these people would benefit so much from being among productive citizens. Not a single word about the damage they would do to good neighborhoods. So Projects were replaced by Section 8. But many neighborhoods escaped and Section 8 has ceased to be a disruptive force.
So the new line of attack is “Fair Housing”. Fuck them. My community is fair. Anyone who can afford it can buy a house here. We are not going to fuck up our zoning and put apartment complexes (future slums) here so we can get undeserving neighbors we won’t ever be able to get rid of.
Hey yareally, Having A Bad Day, and Steve H. ran into a snag last week. Wanted your opionions.
I had a crazy experience this last week. Met this chick from online really cute, 8 with a smoking body.. And got her from email to phone conversation quickly. She told me that she is getting divorced 37 and her sister signed her up and she has not really done any dating let along online dating. Was able to have a great conversation and rapport lots of light hearted laughing and attraction.
She told me several times how different I was and refreshing. (props to CH). I even slipped into the conversation how some women annoy me because they want money and other things from me. Since this has been a problem with me in the past. She said nothing about this. So anyway we talked later that night and she sent me photos underwear stuff, she is in her 30’s but looks fucking awesome. Negged her a little, then talked and then went to bed. Rapport was strong but had not really done any type of comfort building or qualifying yet.
Got up the next morning and first thing I had was an email with the question. “So what kind of arrangement are you looking for” I thought oh shit another gold digger and this chick seemed really cool as well as cute and now this bullshit. So i did not answer for two days. Then I texted her. Here is the exchange:
Me: Hey trouble 6:14 PM
Her: Hey TROUBLE #2 6:25 PM
Me: Haha…I gotta be me 6:26 PM
Her: Yes sir 6:31 PM
Me: That’s a good girl. 6:32 PM
Me: Just got back from xxxx. ..tired 6:33 PM
Her: Luv that place get a red bull and toughen up!:-) heading to xxxx for girls weekend right now woohoo.. Lotsa Red Bull 6:34 PM (red flag she was with her girlfriends in the car, bad timing I should have dropped conversation here)
Me: Going xxxxx in the morning… 6:38 PM
Me: ….trouble. ..where you staying and when you get back 6:39 PM
Her: Nice. The xxxx back on Sunday night 6:45 PM
Her: And by the way you never answered my email question 6:47 PM
Me: Let’s meet up next week 6:50 PM (trying to ignore it and plow through)
Her: No not until you answer the email question 6:51 PM
Me: What question 6:52 PM
Her: Please check your email 6:53 PM
Me: Haha are you serious 6:54 PM (still trying to get past what I think is a shitty request)
Her: Yes does it make you want me? 7:02 PM
Me: Haha…your not one of those gold diggers are you 7:03 PM
Her: What the hell you talking about? 7:04 PM (evidently I was mistaken about her intention)
Me: I am looking for a deeply passionate affair…I am interested in you and to see where it will take us 7:06 PM
Her: Oh wait a minute you think I’m one of those kind of girls . Now you l have offended me . 7:06 PM (at this point I am fucked since she is probably being egged on by her you go girlfriends)
Her: You have offended me by calling me a gold digger. I don’t need a man to take care of me 7:08 PM (yep she is showing off now)
Me: Actually I did not think you were that kind of girl…I was responding to your question 7:08 PM
Her: Please take me off your phone 7:08 PM
Me: Lighten up…I did not call you one I have been approached several times in the same way and that was the end result 7:10 PM (trying to recover)
I called her after this she picked up but just said she was offended and would not talk to me.
I think I fucked this one up but am going to try to contact her later in the week and see if she has calmed down and is ready to talk. You guys have said to make them feel and I think I did that pretty well. Now how would I get her back to the positive side.
My analysis is that I misjudged what she was asking because of previous goldiggers and should have not put it in such negative terms.
I also was busy doing something while texting so I did not pay attention well enough and calibrate properly.
And finally should have never got into any type of conversation while she was with her friends. Lessons learned the hard way.
Do you think I can salvage this? What would you guys do?
I don’t think you can salvage this. The Beta was strong in this one. I think you know enough to be able to spot your major failings here. Remember being “alpha” is all about psycho-sexual dominance; the greatest component of which is NON-NEEDINESS. Were you non-needy in this case? Read your text exchange again. Who’s psychological frame was stronger? Who is responding to whom? Is the seesaw tilted to you or towards her? If she’s going to fuck you that seesaw had better be tilted toward you (the extent of which depends on the girl). Lastly, what do you think she meant by “arrangement” now that you know it wasn’t financial?
Anyway, kudos for trying all this stuff out.
@reco
the stack ate one…lol…it might pop out…
Mistral FTW
My comment is inspiring some really good spam.
No shit
Today’s field report from an affluent suburb of Denver. 167 women came to my cash register. The breakdown: zero ones, 6 twos, 48 threes, 64 fours, 23 fives, 15 sixes, 4 sevens, 6 eights, 1 nine, zero tens. Then, this evening at the gym: 2 fours, 1 six,1 seven, 1 eight, 2 nines. I gotta spend more time at the gym.
> “15 sixes, 4 sevens, 6 eights, 1 nine, zero tens”
That’s 15 + 4 + 6 + 1 + 0 = 26 opportunities in an 8-hour shift for some playful banter and teasing – once every 18.46 minutes. If you started with a “library” of even just 10 openers, then each shift you’d get to practice each opener with almost 3 different delivery styles.
And here’s something which I bet happens upwards of five times a week – a passable gal [HB5+] comes through all harried with a big pile of junk in her cart, and a couple of kids she can barely control – and it’s time for you to clock out [either for your lunch break or for your end of shift]. Well Shazam!!! Now you’re free to walk her to her car!
BETAS AX QUESTIONS, ALPHAS ISSUE COMMANDS!
BETA: “M’am, you look mighty harried, may I please offer to help you?”
ALPHA: “M’am, you got yer hands full right there, I’m gonna walk you to your car.”
Work her man into the conversation early on: “Yer husband ain’t around to help you with these kids?” Then learn to judge her body language in response – if she shows dejection at the mention of him, then she knows that he’s cheating on her with another woman [so at a bare minimum, she’lll need a shoulder to cry on].
And if you get a response like, “No, he’s a salesman, he spends a lot of time on the road, he’s been up in Seattle for the last five days,” then congratulations, because you’re about to become her illicit lover.
Dude, you have the opportunity here to become the MASTER of Day Game. Stand tall, stand proud, head held up, shoulders back, chest out, stare ‘em straight in the eye, big shit-eating grin on your face, and wink at the really cute ones [particularly after you deliver a good wisecrack].
Best comment you ever made, Shane.
I feel dirty for saying this, but ASDGamer said it. Good advice.
@Zombie Shane…solid! Damn.
Zombie, why doesn’t he just avoid women with kids? Better for relationship if she’s in one, better for him if she’s not unless he is real careful about protection.
I don’t want my man to be busting up a good healthy marriage, but let’s say he’s early 50s, and there is some fine young-30s MILF but single poontang there, then my man needs to hop on that wagon and get the woman to pushing out some of his buns.
Young- to mid-30s single mom MILF poontang is one of the easiest ways for a middle-ager to get back into Da Show.
“Today’s field report from an affluent suburb of Denver. 167 women came to my cash register”
Don’t know how old you are…but damn…dude – start talking.
I’d wager I have a few years on you – pretty sure I could get some action from that type of supply.
Am I the only one who finds it hard to break physical attractiveness down to a number? To me it’s either ‘hot’ ‘busted’ or ‘eh’
Text analysis if some of you could, back story is after I got her number at the airport at 5am saturday she had a party/catchup with family planned for Saturday/sat night but she said she’d be free sunday morning to hangout and that I should call. Texted her instead. Stuff inside [ ] is my commentary/background
MP 10:21am: Good morning
Her 11:03: Good morning 😉
MP 11:33: How was last night? You didn’t fall asleep at the party did you?
Her 11:40: It went all the way till 3 blah blah blah
MP 11:54: Wow, good effort haha, you’re not too tired to hang out today I hope
Her 12:23: Where are u thinking to take me ^^
MP: 12:36: 2 options, Dayboro pub for lunch and then Mt mee lookut because it’s got an amazing view, [descriptive emotive language] but it’s an hour out there and it might be too cold for you [I was planning on taking her on a motorcycle date], other option is a vade I like in fortitude valley and then southbank park, we can do either or both if you’re up for it 😛
Her: 12:43: Mt Mee sounds lovely ^^
Her: 12:43: What time u wanna go? I’m at sunday market atm, will get back to Robertson at 1:30 I think
MP 12:45: how’s 2 or 2:30?
Her 12:46: Sounds good 🙂
MP 12:47: Text me your address, wear jeans and a scarf if you have one and dress warmly, [issuing commands here] I have a jacket for you but bring a jumper as well,
Her: 12:54: Ok, I think it’ll be alright
MP 2:16: Running a tad late
Her 12:26: its ok 😉
After this we went on the date and did date stuff. I tried to keep to the rule about giving a bit of time in between texts but I kinda had to keep the intervals short because it was late in the arvo anyway and we were running out of daylight to go up to the mountain lookout. When we got back to the city I bounced locations twice and we ended up in a park laying on the grass by the river making out, feeling each other and chatting. Around ten I say that it’s cold and we should continue this conversation at her place. She says we can’t cause she’s staying with her aunt and uncle (fair enough), so I take her home on the bike.
Halfway home we’re waiting at a set of lights and she says there’s girls in the car next to us checking me out. I blew the girls in the car a kiss and decide to pop a wheelie as the lights go green, the girl i’m riding with squeals but I could tell she enjoyed it. Dropped her home, made out again, made plans to see each other again. 10 minutes after I get home I get another round of texts.
Her 11:30: Are u home?
MP 11:31: Nah, been cruising around trying to pick up another cute doctor ;-D [she’s a doctor btw], been home for half an hour now
Her: 11:32: lol any luck in bringing one home ;P
MP: 11:34: Funnily enough there’s nit much happening on a sunday night, might have to try a Friday or Saturday night next
Herein I break the rule about not texting twice and I already know I’m not being brief enough in my texts but my game during the date was smooth and jerky enough that I felt I could get away with texting again ten min later cause she wasn’t responding
MP 11:44: Sorry about the wheelie earlier as well, didn’t mean to scare you
Her 23:45: no it was alright, don’t have to apologise I was encouraging it by telling u the girls are interested 😛
MP: 11:49: I thought i’d give you all a bit of a show and give you a bit of excitement, sounded like it worked huh? hehe
Her: 11:51: I got a thrill from it ^^
MP 12:00: Oh good, i’d hate for you to think I was a boring safe rider or anything :p [almost the entire time she was on the back of the bike I was speeding, lane splitting and overtaking cars at anywhere up to 40 over the speed limit so I definitely wasn’t being boring before the wheelie]
Her 12:06am: Definitly not a boring driver when I nearly fell of for the first time lol
MP: 12:11: That’s just part of my charm, I’m going to bed, had a lot of fun today [making statements about going to bed and giving her a little bit of beta game as she seems to need it]
Her 12:12: 🙂 me too good night
Analysis, I need to try and keep them short but she’s not giving me much to work with so I feel I have to type more than I should, I try to limit my use of smileys but as I mentioned with my jerk boy alpha in person game I feel I can get away with a bit of beta baiting through text.
Any comments or suggestions from CH, yareally or any of the other gurus would be appreciated.
Also, have maintained radio silence since her last text, thinking I either wait for her to text me or only text when I want to organise the next date.
but yea the chick I approached had 20 or more orbiters and none of the dudes had chicks lol
like that eunic post a bit back or they were all fucking her not sure
http://www.usmm.org/p/porthole.jpg
Speaking of neighbourhood diversity, did anyone read about the white woman who started video recording her ‘catcallers’ while she walks down the street?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/this-woman-has-been-confronting-her-catcallers-and-secretly
Notice how nearly all the men in her videos are vibrant with a capital V? Of course the progressives and pro-feminists applaud this woman confronting her harassers while completely refusing to acknowledge the fact that vast majority of the males harassing western women on the street tend to clearly be descended from a certain third world stock. Funnily enough, said vibrancy has no problem pointing out how DAT WHITE GURL BE RASSIS Y’ALL because she calls them out on their barbarian behaviour instead of being guilted into mudsharking with them.
When the ethnic wars begin, it won’t be because European descended men suddenly decided to man up. It will be because of their women finally got sick of Leroy and Paco patting their bums when they go to get a Frappuccino.
“I’d rather be looked over than overlooked” — Mae West
Hollywood floozies aren’t reality, Sambo.
Excellent post… I’ve long suspected that most of the antimale movement and legislature of the past two generations were due to the “darkening” of society and loosening of morals and propriety brought about by the loutish behavior of third world heritage men.
As far back as the seventies, when I witnessed it firsthand in the Army (and was admittedly culture-shocked)… more than half of the restrictions on base came about because some officer’s wife was accosted by some out-of-the-hood-for-the-first-time baboon who brought the same anything-goes mores with him into otherwise polite society.
More diversity = less freedom.
“I’ve long suspected that most of the antimale movement and legislature of the past two generations were due to the “darkening” of society”
Great observation. I never thought of it that way but it makes sense. Eat that, colorblind MRAs!
My Army culture shocks, BTW, happened in the late Eighties. Most of involved my wonder at blacks’ inability to be quiet for more than fifteen seconds.
Yeah, the Army (and probably the other services too, except for maybe the Air Force) are great schooling grounds in re “race realism”.
Why men must escalate. Here’s what happens if you don’t.
http://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/2bb5xi/me_18f_and_my_bestfriend_18m_finally_admitted_we/
off topic but worth watching
Totally simplified take on the matter.
You guys are missing the boat. A nice token-ish representation of “good minorities” offers social proof to white liberals that they are not racist. So one black attorney, doctor or stock broker in the neighborhood is a very good thing, to a white liberal; it’s social proof the white liberal is a good person, and does not live in a racially exclusionary neighborhood. Yay for white guilt! Having two minorities of any sort in the neighborhood – I don’t care if it’s Colin Powell and Eric Holder – means “you know, I’ve been thinking about that new development across town, honey. The houses are nice, and really new, plus I think you’d love the kitchens…”
It’s really about behavior for me. I don’t like people who behave like trash. I’ve known enough white trash and find quality people rare enough that I don’t count on white people behaving well, and I don’t like to discard a possible friend just because others of his race happen to be assholes.So I don’t really view having friends or neighbors who are minorities as a social proof. I guess I’m probably hurting local housing values in my local Blue state…
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