A reader writes about a girl playing hard to get after she had already been gotten.
i was fucking this 27 year old who’d just gotten out of a relationship for a while (i’m 24) and i texted her out of the blue and took her to a concert after not seeing her for two months. despite lots of kino etc at the show and her telling me “you’re dangerous” she told me she wouldn’t sleep with me tonight. we went to a bar afterward and i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again. she broke down crying. i must admit i took some pleasure in it.
i did some things well (holding my ground, flirting with the bartender and other girls at the bar, maintaining excellent body posture, excusing myself for the bathroom when she started talking about another guy, saying things like “i will permit you to sleep with me”) but probably betrayed my own lack of options by being too affectionate and continuing to care, show kino etc. she showed mixed signals – kept asking me questions about my actual type, continued to say she wouldn’t sleep with me but admitted she’d lied earlier when she said she was seeing someone, said she’d sleep with me if i put roofies in her drink (weird, but a sign she was thinking about it, i presume).
the problem is at this point in my life, basically all of this is unintuitive, so i am prone to making mistakes, or knowing how i want to respond to something in a conversation and struggling for the actual words. i am also probably too mean/bitter , i have not mastered how to “get to agreement” etc without sounding too appeasing/beta.
Can you figure out where the reader lost his mojo with this girl? Leave your answers in the comments. The post will be updated later in the day. Commenters with the winning replies will receive a stuffed ferret in rage mode.
Similar to a false flag operation, the false frame is meant to deceive a person into believing that the speaker desires a different outcome, or holds a different belief, than what is actually desired or believed. A typical example of the false frame is a woman alerting her date that she is not planning to sleep with him that night. While she may not in fact be consciously engaged in pushing the date toward sex, the frame she sets is false in the sense that its purpose is to entrap a man to accept its stated premise, despite the misleading nature of the premise obfuscating her true feelings.
(If you deny that these are her true feelings, you ignore the near universal evidence that women who speak of sex, in whatever positive or negative connotation, have sex on their minds.)
Denying or otherwise sidestepping a false frame would almost certainly yield an outcome at odds with the deceiver’s frame. False frames are close cousins of shit tests, differing mainly in their target designation (false frames are usually self-referential while shit tests are accusatory) and their style (false frames entrap while shit tests goad).
Here’s a hint to the answer to this edition of alpha assessment: It’s better to suffer a few beta procedural missteps while adhering to an alpha attitude than it is to flawlessly execute with alpha behavioral precision a beta attitude.
UPDATE
The answer to this riddle, of course, is when he told her he was angry with her for not putting out.
My friends, that is called Powering Up the Anti-Slut Defense Shields to maximum deflection.
You do not ever reason with a woman logically. When she says she won’t sleep with you, the last thing you should do is argue with her as if she is violating some legal contract. You either
a. ignore her ASD or
b. playfully redirect it to more fruitful emotions.
This reader’s scenario is a great example of the incongruence between maintaining a physical and vocal alpha frame while still operating under a mentality of beta scarcity. You can sit and stand and intone like James Bond, but if you chastise a girl for not agreeing to your sexual timetable, you may as well hang a sign over your head that reads “Desperate, Undersexed and Needing Quick Relief.”
You’ve gotta get that inner game down before the rest of the little things really click into place like one smoothly running pick-up machine.
Many commenters offered much better suggestions, most of which fell under the rubric of “agree and amplify”. Krauser has a great rebuttal to this kind of female false frame that is similar to agree and amplify, but takes a more seductive turn which opens opportunities to keep the conversational channel focused on impending intimacy.
My favorite reply is “That’s Ok, I didn’t want to get you pregnant”, which is really perfect for this exact situation.
Winners will receive the following stuffed ferret in rage mode.
I stopped reading after he said he told her he was angry with her.
A girl who tells you she is not going to sleep with you that same night is in fact thinking of sleeping with you that same night. She’s just asking you to not make her feel like a slut.
+1,
“i won’t sleep with you tonight” should be confirmation that the night will end in sex,
a tenet of game “if a girl mentions sex in conversation with you she is thinking about having sex with you.”
What if she mentions a fiancee whilst she is being teased? I was flirting with the younger sister and (cough) her mother, teasing the brother, and ignoring the more attractive older sister. The older sister then brought up her fiancee, which was completely unrelated to the conversation. I ignored that but included her in the convo from then on.
Between that and the eye contact from her, I presume I was generating some tingles.
Any opinions on if my assessment is accurate?
“fiancee” was probably not a shit test but more of a DHV trying to get ur attention because you were ignoring her. Maybe shouldn’t have included her in the convo, let her squirm a bit or tease her for the irrelevant comment.
Thread comments over.
“she told me she wouldn’t sleep with me tonight”
“Oh. Period?”
Yup.
A blowjob in the car on the way to dropping you off will do.
my thoughts exactly: I probably would have said, something, like:
-” i see your (insert cute/clever period name here).” then pause for a second, then:
-” but you’re not bleeding from all 3 holes aren’t you?”
“That’s ok, I was looking to cleanse my spirit a bit for a day or so anyway.”
1) It’s a slight neg (clean what? from who?)
2) It raises the question of why you might feel the need to feel clean, which is what she was going for, trying to not feel slutty.
3) It changes the subject
/good? bad? mediocre?
Instead, he went the “Bitter Beta” route.
“we went to a bar afterward and i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again”
A great chance to throw out a sarcastic “of course we aren’t. What kind of guy do you think I am?” wasted.
This right here! But then dismiss the notion by continuing to game and flirt with her.
It would have sealed the deal.
Exactly. Flip the game and make HER feel rejected.
Here’s a similar line, from some old game material:
“Who says you’re getting that lucky tonight?”
Done in one.
The bit about taking pleasure in watching her cry is the cherry on top of that particular involuntary-celibacy sundae.
You are correct in that “I am not going to sleep with you tonight” does not necessarily mean she isn’t going to sleep with you that night. She’s not talking to you; she’s talking to her hamster. Reassuring it that she hasn’t made any final decisions, so she is definitely not a slut.
And even if she REALLY isn’t going to sleep with you that night (hey! maybe she’s got her period! maybe her puppy died!), she might sleep with you some other night soon…IF you don’t go off all angry-stalker and tell her how pissed off you are at her. Number one, it’s omega behavior, not alpha behavior, to get mad. An alpha doesn’t give a shit; he’s got five others just like you who are dying for it.
And number two, women do have the right to say no. Same as you do. If you act like she doesn’t have that right, you’re going to get slapped with the “c” word. And you’ll deserve it.
what’s the c word?
creep
women do have the right to say no. Same as you do. If you act like she doesn’t have that right, you’re going to get slapped with the “c” word. And you’ll deserve it.
1) When did he ever mention that she didn’t have the ‘right’ to say no?
2) Why are you spinning this off into some typical, topic-unrelated girl-world pabulum?
3) Why am I even attempting to engage in a logical debate with a female?
Hint for the gentlemen: Ask yourself only one of those questions every time that you see posts from women on this site and you’ll save both yourself and other readers a lot of wasted time and energy.
(Except for you, of course, RapDaughter…you’re precious.)
1) He implied it when he said “i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me.” Most people only get angry at others for doing things that are outside their rights or accepted social norms.
2) CH did ask.
3) You are asking the wrong person.
Hint for the gentlemen: CLOWN RAPE!
No. She herself implied it when she said “sleep with me if i put roofies in her drink”.
But go ahead and blame the patriarchy.
Blaming the patriarchy gives me wrinkles.
I’m imaging a pug…
Is that what the kids call it these days?
“Who said anything about sleeping?”
“She’s not talking to you; she’s talking to her hamster. ” – brilliant
Correct response to “I’m not sleeping with you” is, “I’m glad you brought it up, I’m seeing somebody and I didn’t want there to be an issue with us hanging out.”
or i’m ‘kind of’ seeing somebody
just so it gives her a little more hope
no. that will not lead to bang. horrible response. correct response is amuses smirk and say “Mmmm hmmm” while grabbing her thigh and talking about anything else (doesn’t even matter). then she’s wet
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http://www.freefictionbooks.org/books/i/1045-in-defense-of-women-by-h-l-mencken?start=31
“The objections to polygamy do not come from women
Page 32 of 63
The extent of this correction of a salient evil of monogamy is very considerable; its operations explain the private disrepute of perhaps a majority of first-rate men; its advantages have been set forth in George Moore’s “Euphorion in Texas,” though in a clumsy and sentimental way. What is behind it is the profound race sense of women–the instinct which makes them regard the unborn in their every act–perhaps, too, the fact that the interests of the unborn are here identical, as in other situations, with their own egoistic aspirations. As a popular philosopher has shrewdly observed, the objections to polygamy do not come from women, for the average woman is sensible enough to prefer half or a quarter or even a tenth of a first-rate man to the whole devotion of a third-rate man. Considerations of much the same sort also justify polyandry–if not morally, then at least biologically. The average woman, as I have shown, must inevitably view her actual husband with a certain disdain; he is anything but her ideal. In consequence, she cannot help feeling that her children are cruelly handicapped by the fact that he is their father, nor can she help feeling guilty about it; for she knows that he is their father only by reason of her own initiative in the proceedings anterior to her marriage. If, now, an opportunity presents itself to remove that handicap from at least some of them, and at the same time to realize her ideal and satisfy her vanity–if such a chance offers it is no wonder that she occasionally embraces it.
Here we have an explanation of many lamentable and otherwise inexplicable violations of domestic integrity. The woman in the case is commonly dismissed as vicious, but that is no more than a new example of the common human tendency to attach the concept of viciousness to whatever is natural, and intelligent, and above the comprehension of politicians, theologians and green-grocers.”
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“She’s just asking you to not make her feel like a slut.”
Exactly! She didn’t want to feel like a slut, or she didn’t want him thinking she’s nothing but a slut.
She told him as much by the hints she was dropping:
“kept asking me questions about my actual type, continued to say she wouldn’t sleep with me but admitted she’d lied earlier when she said she was seeing someone, said she’d sleep with me if i put roofies in her drink (weird, but a sign she was thinking about it, i presume).”
Well naturally she was thinking about it. In a way, she wished he would do it so that she won’t have to face herself once she had sex with him, and more importantly not facing him with the truth that she had sex with him of her own volition. Women love to feel “made to,” like they had no choice in the sex that ensued, since otherwise it means they were willing sluts.
While she might be a slut, what’s more alluring to a woman than to think of herself as being forced and having no choice? Most women can’t bear the fact that they had sex with a man who has not ascertained yet that he wants to be in a relationship and they slept with him knowing that. However, if they can reconcile in their minds that it was forced, then they feel they can forgive themselves and the man will too, as if the man is even thinking along these lines. As far as a man is concerned, she had sex with him with or without his coercion. He’s not thinking she is pure if he tricked or coerced her. A man can smell a woman ripe for sex no matter her games.
i love you
Second.
The comment about being angry she came out with him that made her cry. What’s the point of it? I laugh on the inside when girls pre-emptivley say they won’t be having sex with me tonight because obviously having sex with me is in their minds. It’s up to me now to continue in my frame and close with sex. You can ruin your chances by making her cry.
Exactly. The proper response is something like “That’s nice” or “it’s complicated” or whatever and then take her to the bar *anyway* b/c that’s what he wants to do.
Double blow there – taking her to the bar after “no sex” false flag and then getting mad at her.
“I won’t sleep with you tonight”
“Of course, I don’t wanna get you pregnant.”
That’s cool . . . Bring da movies!
He should have been cool with her decision not to sleep with her. Concerned but distant. Told her that she should do what was best for her.
Then flirting with other women.
Being angry was both wrong and ineffective.
He. Still. Cared. Lack of congruence in Words and actions. Taking what girl said seriously. Been there.
“i told her calmly i was very angry at her” was the lever that snapped the snapper shut.
His mistake is acting like he cares she wouldn’t bang him. At that point she knew he cared and he lost his aloof alpha vibe. Of course she is going to play hard to get….what woman of any dignity would cough it up easily. If he acted like he didn’t give a shit she would have coughed it up
It was dumb of her to say she didn’t plan on sleeping with him as most guys would see that as a challenge and play it off like he didn’t care. He was dumb for telling her he was angry with her. They both sound pretty ridiculous in this story.
“It was dumb of her to say she didn’t plan on sleeping with him as most
guysalpha guys would see that as a challenge and play it off like he didn’t care.”From the horse’s mouth
A coupla things.
1. He already has is cock in her…most guys wouldn’t view her protest as a challenge, but simply as women being women.
2. Are you a midget?
Exactly. Once you’ve fucked a woman it shouldn’t be a big deal if she isn’t going to fuck you any particular night.
Why did you take her to a concert? You hadn’t seen her in months. It was time to reintroduce her to your penis…instead you showed her your wallet.
He was leveraging his bigger asset.
Skerp.
I cockur.
two good comments in two months. keep it up, i’m despising you less.
A broken clock is…
… fit to be replaced.
Alas, that reciprocation were possible.
Heh.
I think taking pleasure in seeing the girl break down and cry is not a good sign. Whatever the reason is for her to say what she said about not sleeping with him, the fact that he enjoyed hurting her and felt deceived so badly, suggests both desperation on his part and cruel nature.
Yeah, I don’t think I would have been overwhelmed with a warm fuzzy feeling after she started crying.
Yeah and further, the reason she was crying was the realization that (1) she was out on a date with such an omega and (2) she had (apparently) actually slept with him previously. It was self pity crying.
realization yes.
but prior to this, she had actually liked the guy. which may be another reason why she would be crying, that a guy she liked has said fuck off for good after he called her out of the blue to do something cool and chill together. quite the 180 on the night from her point of view
Why not take pleasure in seeing her “break down”? It is a sign that he has penetrated her artificial ideologies and that they may begin talking about real things now.
Making girls cry is one of my favorite pastimes. Is there a surer indication of a sudden, involuntary plea for intimacy? It is the first involuntary surrender, a physical impulse that cannot be held back by her lying brain. It’s not intrinsically cruel to precipitate waterworks. It’s one of the primary steps to liberating her from forces she isn’t even aware are holding her back.
I do enjoy hurting people for a righteous purpose. Pain is weakness leaving the body. Alternatively, You Have To Be Cruel To Be Kind. I’m not a psychopath, I have pangs of empathy. But empathic projection is one of the key ways a woman manipulates men, and women shouldn’t be leading the relationship in any way, particularly through emotive blackmail. There is great joy in breaking through those peculiarly feminine machinations, and tears turn into laughter or sighs of relief quicker than they can dry on her cheeks.
Matt
Making girls cry is one of your favorite pastimes? Where’s the sport in that? I bawl like a calf after 15 seconds of that damn ASPCA commercial with Sarah McLachlan. And if I’m on about Day 25, fuhgeddaboutit…commercials for cake mix will get me started.
crying:girls::farting:men. It doesn’t mean much, most of the time–it just releases the pressure.
Lol
I didn’t say it was hard. I said it was enjoyable. Like popping bubble wrap.
Besides, crying over cake mix is qualitatively different from what I’m talking about. No, it doesn’t take much to turn on the waterworks spigot, but it matters how that involuntary outward reaction is framed. Crying at Return of the Jedi isn’t like crying over how nakedly I just exposed your deepest vulnerability. And that is a routine scored at a higher level of difficulty.
How did you know…??!?? I never told that to anyone!!! I throw myself upon your mercy…
Et cetera, et cetera.
Weep hot tears for me now. I need a quickie.
Matt
OK, but can you stroke a little poodle while you lower a basket full of lotion down to me? It’s a Method thing. Helps me get into the right headspace.
Typical woman… hears the laser-fine psychology of Dr. Lecter but correlates it to the sociopathy of Buffalo Bill.
It puts the tear-soaked handkerchief in the basket.
No. I’m holding out for the hose.
Lachrymose before hose.
I have had girlfriends who cried easily and some that never cried as if they had a heart of stone.
If those were my only two choices I would pick the ones who cries easily.
She is probably more submissive than a woman who never sheds a tears
[CH: Never trust a woman who cries too much or too little.]
why too little?
means they are super jaded and angry and have no empathy or soul. just terrible. a fairly high % of women are this way, actually, completely contrary to popular mythology. never trust a woman who finds it easy to not like most movies. most movies are good. ever notice how many women don’t like movies you like?
How chivalrous!
CH, I am conducting a field test for you re: “Good. I didn’t want to get you pregnant” response. I will describe concisely. I am a greater beta who is naturally beta at heart because I’m the type of good kid who did everything “right” under our Disney Fantasy feminized world. I was never even a rebellious teenager. Got good grades, was a good boy, pedastalize women. You know.
Okay, so even though I’ve been reading your blog for about 2 months—discovered after breaking up with my ex GF the ballerina of 3 years because of me being too beta, basically. Even though… I still WANT you to be wrong. I don’t want to believe women are as evil as you say. I know you don’t say it’s evil—just hypergamy and it’s their nature, but you know what I mean.
Okay, so I found this new chick on a dating site. She’s 29. I’m 38. She’s a high 7. Super cute. We start messaging. She’s in a foreign country for 2 weeks at the start but says she wants to get to know me while she’s there. I STARTED out being alpha…short messages, waiting a day to respond. She basically…not, she expressly told me she doesn’t play games and appreciates a guy who does not play games. She basically challenged me to be sort of beta with her…and this led to a week of us sending tons of flirty texts, which SHE initiated, telling me I’m cute, super sweet, incredibly romantic, amazing, hot, she loves my arms (sent pics), etc etc etc etc.
So I’m like, this is going to be sweet when she gets back to my city.
The last human she communicated with before having to turn off her phone on the plane coming home was me…sent me a cute pic/text like one would do with her BF, like she’s already decided we’re going to be dating.
She gets home, we send the usual messages like even “good morning” in the morning like we’re already LTR.
Ok…then we are supposed to meet on Sunday night. SHE had made this huge deal out of not wanting to hear my voice before we meet. I had sent her a video of me singing a song. I can’t sing but I have used that technique in the past to start LTRs….some girls dig it. It shows me having no fear because my voice is terrible but I sing anyway.
Okay…then all of the sudden Sunday afternoon she is sending me frantic texts saying she wants to break her rule and talk. I can’t respond cause I was with my kids.
She ends up texting that she just is afraid she will fall for me too hard and she just can’t handle that I’m divorced with kids (something I never hid from the start) (she’s never had kids). And she’s sorry.
So I half beta said “that’s cool I don’t blame you” but then I went alpha and sent her no more texts for 3 weeks.
Then after 3 weeks I sent her an email saying “not stalking you but call me if you want to hang out. You might like me so much that baggage stuff can be overlooked. You’re right that you would have fallen for me.”
She IMMEDIATELY texts back “Yes let’s meet. Now that things have died down.”
I did not respond for 2 fucking days, brothers. This little thing with her STUNG (the part above). Made me really look at CH’s teachings closely. SHE literally goaded me into or fucking DARED me to be beta with her and I took the bait, and then she cut it off after She was seriously into me.
Ok….so I finally responded with “I’m thinking.” She IMMEDIATELY texted back “that’s okay, take your time and if you change your mind about meeting me I would understand.”
I waited another fucking day. No response. I have wolf alpha attitude on now brothers.
Then I finally texted “Yes. I think we should meet. I’m going to take your advice and live fear free even though I can love and get hurt. I have the ability to know that [nickname I had given her 3 weeks ago].”
She IMMEDIATELY texts back “yes I do think we should meet.
No response from me all day.
Then she texts “what about X coffee shop at 4 on Saturday”
I wait about 2 hours and text back, “Nah. I don’t want to do an interview/”dinnerview.” It has to be playful. But don’t take that the wrong way.”
Then I texted “Plus I have a date with my Jacuzzi at 4 on Saturday. I’d invite you but I don’t want you to get the wrong idea. Winky face emoticon.”
(the truth is I have my kids all weekend and since she fucked up I’m not going to put her over them…I’m not available until Sunday night).
She texts back “ok. Let’s go to the beach then. Yu’ve already seen me in a bikini (from her sending me unsolicited pic during the flirtation week) and this is [my kickass city] so it’s no big deal anyway.”
I don’t respond.
She texts “also it’s not a date. It’s just like old friends hanging out.”
I did not respond….waited all night.
Then this morning I did the CH magic with a hint of beta:
“Good.”
“[her name] u should let me be as nice to you as I want to be.”
“But I’m glad this is just old friends hanging out. That’s good. I didn’t want to get u pregnant.” With emoticon sticking out tongue.
She texted back “no more texting.”
I texted back “Deal”
I will let y’all know what happens.
Any advice before I meet her.
(the thing about the no texting is we did marathon texting previously which I literally did not have time for and I told her that)
Don’t have much to contribute cuz I don’t know alpha game and I am not a guy. Just wanted to say Good luck, update us and oh, no more emoticons “tongue sticking out” and all. Also some of your responses seem too long.
Thanks. On the emoticon thing, at the time I “met” her I didn’t even have an app on my phone to do emoticons and she knows that. It’s kind of a joke now cause I acquired the app *during* our text-a-thon flirtation and ordinarily I don’t type “LOL” or smiley faces or any of that girly crap. But during flirtation week when she was falling in love with me, we had this sort of joke with lots of emoticons. But you are right. I’m not doing emoticons anymore. The thing is taht I am genuinely a “nice guy” an I want CH to be wrong and this is hard for me. Even “didn’t want to get you pregnant” line was very hard for me to type. I WANT to be nice to this girl. WHy won’t you girls just let us be nice to you???? I’m not “creepy” niceguy creeper. I’m fun an “alpha” and girls want to have sex with me. So why must you not let a guy be nice to you if it’s done with confidence behind it. I tell you you’re cute. It comes from a place of confidence. I’m cute too and I know it. I’m not “puppy dog” too nice guy.
So yeah I want to put emoticon to make it nicer. That’s my and most men’s nature. As CH chronicles, most men are good guys who are naturally beta and pedastalize women and are chivalrous, despite popular mythology to the contrary.
And adding to my story (tried to keep as short as possibe)…to be clear, again. this girl did not shit test me in the way we talk about on this blog…she was super sweet nonstop and basically yelled at me FOR BEING ALPHA and basically challenged me to be nice while claiming that she likes nice guys. That might be an inside-out shit test, but not the typical shit test where the girl says bitchy things.
She was nice nice nice I can’t wait to meet you there are going to be fireworks then “I’m afraid I’ll fall for you too hard”…bam end.
Women try to get you to act beta to break the sexual tension. They think this is what they want, but it actually causes a decrease in attraction. You have to be careful with distance situations about spiking this tension at the right times. Too much too soon without the possibility of seeing each other to release the tension in the proper way can cause a woman to freak out and sabatoge the situation.
Wow!! Great comment. I think that is *exactly* what she did. Exactly. And she succeeded. Guess what. Update: she called me last evening. Or at least she’s in my voicemail even though I don’t see a missed call (???). It was at 5:50 PM and I was playing my guitar–either didn’t hear phone or didn’t ring. She was letting me know she had to talk now because would be busy later at a basketball game. Okay…I never said we’d talk at all tonight anyway LOL. I didn’t call her back or text yet (it’s 9:45 AM where I am as I type this). Guess what. I’m feeling weird about her now and I might just tell her that. She sabotaged something that was really cool and I”m not making that up even though it was by text. BTW this girl is highly educated (master’s degree) and has a prominent job such that if I told you her name you could google her and find her. She’s a professional (not a lawyer). Hmmmm. More advice please. I think she was actually correct and she does not and cannot understand how much I must be wiht my kids on the weekends (cause I barely see them other times) and it’ sjust going to end badly and then she’ll sic her powerful family on me. This is really pissing me off. Comment on this opinion CH: a true high value man gives up sex on purpose because of potential bad consequences. I’ve done that my whole life. Number 1, STDs. Number 2 disneyfied I actually didn’t want my notch count too high. Number 3: this situation: I could charm her (she fucking suggested going to the beach as a first date!!!), bang her, but I know it will end badly eventually and I just can’t risk that in my life. She’s seems a bit bipolar, as most girls in their 20s are. Thoughts?
You know what I love most about chicks other than pussy? That they don’t know their lying even when they obviously are.
Girls wuuuuv sexual tension and drama…they don’t try to get guys to act beta to break sexual tension…they try to illicit betaness for other selfish reasons.
@Man Reader: A woman who doesn’t understand you having children is probably not going to be a good long-term situation. You haven’t even met yet, right? Its all fantasy at the moment. You’re both nervous/excited. Just relax. There is too much communication going on for people who haven’t been out and, therefore, too many opportunities for people to back out. You should be making the plan for the date not her. Tell her to show up (your schedule is bound to be more complicated than hers) and good luck
@evilalpha: Turning a guy beta is a way to disqualify him too. If you can do it, he doesn’t pass. If you can’t, he does. This all happens subconsciously for most women, by the way.
Sexual tension *is* good, but if there’s too much it’ll spook a girl and she’ll have ASD before you’ve even met. That’s why its a good idea to meet quickly if you hit it off with someone you’ve met online. Things can fizzle out before you even get to the date, or your online personas can get too far ahead of your real life personas and the real life experience doesn’t match the mindmeld you experienced virtually.
What are the “selfish reasons” you are referring to?
selfish reasons being resource securing…aka paying for her tits while she goes out and gets the alpha cock while you’re at home cleaning the house and making her dinner all the while making you feel like ur the only one
or free drinks at the bar?
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Update: she called me, left message, didn’t call her back until 27 hours later, she answered, we went out last night…went well…lots of kino but she’s a sweet girl…..2nd date will be magic. ; )
HURRAY!!!
“i told her calmly i was very angry at her”
Full stop. Neither amused nor mastery.
“i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again.”
Show. Don’t tell.
This kind of these-are-my-feelings I-need-to-share-them sound like they’re from a soap opera.
Actually, on second thought, it’s “we went to a bar afterward…”
What’s this “we” shit? I took her here. I took her there. I said we’re going here but she said she had brain surgery at 8 a.m. so I took her home.
Hell it might even be the “afterward” word. After what? After she said she wouldn’t sleep with you? There’s nothing in between. What was the response? “Ok, what do you want to do tonight then?” “Oh, I don’t know, let’s go to a bar? (court me like a virgin).
i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again.
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This is like the opposite of assuming the sale. When she tells you she won’t sleep with you that night, the correct response is to not even acknowledge what she said. Just change the subject.
That’s my approach if I don’t see it coming. If I do, I smirk and say “right.”
She said she wouldn’t sleep with you. You should have ignored and continued to run game. Showing affection for a girl that says she wont sleep with you (which is her ultimate way of showing affection) is you giving more than she is which lowers your value. Decide what you want from a girl before you go out and act accordingly all night long towards that end.
Never should have told her you were angry with her. Always assume the sale. “I’m not coming home with you” really means “I’m not coming home with you YET”
I cant even count how many times “im not sleeping with you” has turned into sex
I’m a total noob, but my guess would be it was:
“i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me”
Better to have expressed bemused skepticism at this obvious philander’s face saving rationalization, and assume and act like she obviously wants the D.
he believed her words
The mistake wasn’t just that he said he was angry, it was that he was “angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me”. Clearly she was interested in fucking him again, but his buying into her frame ruined a perfectly good chance to let that happen.
For fuck’s sake, a girl telling you “you’re dangerous” is about as close to saying “please fuck me” as you’ll hear.
The part where he said he was angry with her is where he fucked up.
To the reader: you live and you learn. Every experience is valuable because you will have a much better idea what to do the next time you are in the same situation with another girl. Protip: As heartiste says, if she verbalizes that she will not fuck you, she has sex on her mind, and it’s really just about isolating, escalating, and getting past her ASD.
If you ask me, he still has a pretty good shot at fucking her if he plays it aloof and “apologizes” with a “mistakes were made” or something to that effect. The attraction was obviously there.
testing you, if she can trust you… look from the women point-of-wiev. etc. they can get pregnant, and have a child inside in 9 mouth…
She was actually a tranny?
lol that’s what i thought too
i’m hoping you are not the winner
CH, I am very angry with you for posting this if you have no intention to tell me the answer. So angry that I have decided that I will no longer read this site anymore.
Easy, sparky. This is how he gets around to it, by inviting his readers (including you) to work the problem with him. That is the sign of a good teacher in whom you are wise to place your trust. There will be a follow-up post.
Twenty-four-year-old boys. The only thing worse are teenaged pre-men:
The youth of sixteen that I was, with the plastered-down hair, and the fatuous smirk, at once arrogant and sheepish, was emotionally seasick: greedy for pleasure, haunted by guilt, torn between feelings of inferiority and superiority, between the need for contemplative solitude and the frustrated urge for gregariousness.
– from Arthur Koestler, Arrow in the Blue, the confessions of a first-rate author/rapist
If you seriously didn’t get that sarcasm from camp, wow, just wow, and you have lost all credibility here.
If it’s the same person, it makes it pretty obvious why he failed.
you missed the obvious satire.
Captain Literal on deck!
I don’t mind him missing the camp of camp… but I gotta draw the line at quoting the heebie-jeebie angst of the 13th tribesman.
Even when said tribesman precisely describes the 24-year-old’s violent vacillations between insecurity and egomania? Heebie-jeebie is right.
So I missed the sarcastic manner of his typing style. It’s the lowest form of wit there is, and as such, I err on the side of earnestness on media where judging tone is impossible.
For the most part, irony has become the highest expression of quivering skinny-necked SWPL with no ability (courage) to communicate directly, and I’m happy to be untunable to that wavelength.
Matt
“It’s been said that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. But only by people who lack the mental faculties to deploy it successfully” — Mark Twain.
“Oh sarcasm. That’s original.” Dr. Horrible.
I used to hate when teachers did that in school. Lol
I had something similar happen to me recently. I’ve been hanging out with this 8 who is almost 20 years younger than me. No sex yet, but a lot of keno and some kissing. She said someone asked her if we are dating. She said “I told him no, which is the same answer I will give him if we start sleeping together .” I said “yes, not his business” she said “right”. My response was probably not the best. Any suggestions?
“I told him no, which is the same answer I will give him if we start sleeping together .”
“Good.”
“I told him no, which is the same answer I will give him if we start sleeping together.”
“You sure about that?”
Which is the way to say: Time to test the resiliency of that “if.”
A noncommittal “hm” works.
The good news is that she brought up the subject of you two sleeping together, so that will happen as long as you make it go.
The bad news is that she’s telling this guy that she’s single, meaning she’s openly looking to upgrade. Short term, no worries, but this should be a giant red flag if you want anything more than some casual sex from her.
While taking her to a concert was his first mistake, taking her to a bar afterwards was his second. He crashed and burned hard with this line “i will permit you to sleep with me,” what in the world was he thinking?
HE’D ALREADY FUCKED HER, why is he going backwards?
The concert was bad… it was 2 months….
going to the concert was not in and of itself bad. if he wasn’t a total toolbag omega, concert was no problem at all. concert, good music, fun, kino…go home and bang. no problema
It was in of itself bad. Say it 3 times!
A woman you have not seen in 2 months gets invited to come over, not to a concert!
Her: I won’t sleep with you.
Me: I wouldn’t want to get you pregnant. (Smile)
Don’t get angry. I all else fails: GFTOW.
She’d probably crawl back if she’s interested and if not it’s her loss.
I usually just agree and amplify verbally while doing what I want physically.
Her: “I have a boyfriend”
Me: “That’s cool, me too”
*make out anyway*
Her: “I’m not gonna sleep with you”
Me: “You shouldn’t, I’m on my period”
*fuck anyway*
Her: “Please don’t rape me”
Me: “Of course, rape is wrong”
*troll face*
the problem is at this point in my life, basically all of this is unintuitive
Master your intuition, masterbeta.
so i am prone to making mistakes, or knowing how i want to respond to something in a conversation and struggling for the actual words.
Bull through your mistakes. People, especially women, and especially especially smitten women, don’t notice mistakes so much as they notice you noticing your mistakes. If your frame is strong enough she will doubt her own lying eyes before she doubts you.
i am also probably too mean/bitter, i have not mastered how to “get to agreement” etc without sounding too appeasing/beta.
Assume she has already agreed but requires a safe opportunity to express her agreement. Your unhesitating, forceful presentation will become her agreement. Like an orgasm during rape. A quick pick-up is essentially the rape of the willing. She wants to say yes but is too feeble to shout it over the din of her built-in defense mechanisms. So you are her amplifier. For the love of fuck, she referenced roofies. Do you need an engraved Antioch College invitation?
Obviously this sexual dynamic is abused by unrefined idiots all the time. So put away the chloroform and ski mask and use game, which is more effective than handcuffs. Calibrating your rapist tendencies against your pussy-beta tendencies is how you master the intuitive. With practice.
Now, once you come to grips with the enormous power you wield in these encounters, only then can we talk about how to deploy it responsibly. But you didn’t write into a pick-up site to talk about that, did you? That’s the much less popular side of game which its practitioners believe can be ignored with impunity but will some day bite them in the ass. In the meantime, we are all more-or-less whorefinders tapping into the power of his favorite taboo word.
Matt
I’m betting 10k on telling her he’s angry and 1mil on him showing sattisfaction at her response.
Signed, KingKeyboardJockey.
Too easy. We’re ready for the intermediate stuff now.
His “game” fell apart as soon as she said she wouldn’t sleep with him. It was a beta trainwreck from that moment on.
However, even after enduring his try-hard, fake alpha posing, she told him how to seduce her: the roofies comment was code for “provide me plausible deniability so I don’t feel like a slut and my pussy’s yours” Read Krauser’s reframe of anti-slut defense
Re “the roofies comment”: how about comeback—
smirk while peering at her drink, then an amused “Bottoms up.”
[CH: Good one!]
People have pointed out the specific rule that was broken here, but this is just an example of the general rule: never respond logically to anything a woman says. They are not logical creatures. They are not men. You cannot get anywhere by treating them as posessing rationality. Attempting to communicate in this manner just confuses them and makes them cry.
“…and i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again.”
Nah. Agree and amplify, friend. “You’re damn right we’re not.”
a girl saying “we’re not sleeping together tonight” usually means you are.
first, he lost his mojo before he even saw her, but he acknowledged as much by saying he’s working on his correcting his “mistakes.” he made quite a few of them, but he needs to get into the mentality that he can do no wrong and just go with it. a woman will be very forgiving of your lapses in judgment or mistakes if you are otherwise carrying yourself properly. second, as many others have pointed out, he sounded extremely butthurt by lashing out at her. anytime a woman mentions that she won’t have sex with you, it is almost certainly because she is contemplating having sex with you, but feels guilty about it. it is your job to help her overcome that hesitation. furthermore, an outcome independent master of the universe does not worry about the quid pro quo of “i took you to a show, dinner, party, ergo you owe me sex.” sex is not owed, my man, but it is freely given to the man who proves himself worthy by and through his actions.
as a more general critique, it seems that he is making a lot of his decisions in response to stimuli that she provides. wrong way to be. you are not reactive to her. again, outcome independence is key. you are not flirting with bartenders because of her; you are flirting with them because that’s what you do. you are not taking her to a concert so that she will sleep with you, you are asking a hot chick to come to a show because it will be fun and who knows how the night will progress from there. i say this all the time, but the frame of mind you need at all times (for chicks and in life generally) is “i am the prize.” best of luck!
My possible responses:
“Funny, I wasn’t planning on letting you sleep with me either.”
“That’s cute that you assumed you had the chance to begin with.”
“No big loss.”
“I’m sure you thought long and hard about that.” (tee hee)
“That’s okay. I have a few backups.”
“Why? Who’s the guy you are planning on sleeping with?”
“That’s fine. You still up for sex?”
The point is: don’t take her seriously.
“she told me she wouldn’t sleep with me tonight”
How you replied here is the core problem.
What did she tell you? She said:
“We are not going to sleep together tonight” ?
or
“We are not going to make love tonight” ?
or
“We are not going to have sex tonight” ?
The right reply would probably have been:
“Make love\Sleep together\Have sex tonight together? Who said that! YOU PERVERT! ;D”
Right. “Where did you get that idea? I was thinking we were still at goodnight hand-shake, or, if you manage to get a hold of yourself, we might kick it up to awkward hug and air kiss.”
Too many words. He literally should have just smirked and say, “Mmmmmm hmmmmmmm,” and continued talking about anything else, like the concert that was going on, while grabbing her thigh. She’d have been very wet literally right at that moment. Easy peasy to do that even for a greater beta. This dude (the writer seeking advice) is lower beta at best.
You don’t deliver the words in an uninterrupted soliloquy.
Of course the smirk or the one-syllable response is king. But you presume to much about what is being communicated by that sort of non-verbal response. If you haven’t laid the predicate articulated clearly above (as this is a medium of written words and not omni-communicative emoticons), then your expression may be saying to her, “he has indigestion” or “did he hear what I said?” or “does he understand English?” or “I think he’s mildly retarded.”
It’s like CH praising the dude in the comments who recommended responding simply, “Okay.” Okay. But grunts and expressions only work after you have established some stature in her eyes, that there is mystery worth exploring behind your laconic burps rather than the simple void-space of a chimp or chump.
In other words, this was a question of content. Delivery is a different animal.
Matt
who cares if you took the broad to a concert or not. if you enjoy her company and want her there, then who gives a fuck if the ticket cost $5 or $500. buddy felt like he was entitled to a lay because of the concert tickets. we should always assume the sale, but never feel entitled to the pussy. this puts many of us in a beta state.
his moment of losing his mojo with the girl was even before he sent the text.
Wrong! Not only should you feel entitled to pussy…. you should feel entitled to it without having to buy concert tickets.
from my experience i’ve pulled better girls being confident i will get the pussy rather than feeling entitled to it
The irony is that you’re bringing confidence to an “entitlement” fight. That girl you bought 500 dollar concert seat for, sure does feel “entitled” to take your money…
You’re a liberal aren’t you?
i do see what you’re saying. but if you’re outcome independent does it really even matter?
not quite. there are liberals all around me and i actually can’t stand them
There is nothing more outcome independent than being “entitled”.
“Entitlement” is what allowed that girl to mention roofies…mention not having sex.. and mention another guy…all while he sat there footing the bill for her concert ticket…
Your liberal environment has made you a little bit of white knight, and a little shy of the word “entitlement”, but trust me entitlement is a man’s best friend.
Why do you think feminists rail against “male privilege” so much? Seriously think about it.
The “confidence” thing you believe in is fine, but power hitters should not be satisfied with doubles. They should swing for the fences.
well shit EA
that makes complete sense. seems like ive got some work on my hands. didnt even realize this had happened to me…guess i got some searching to do in terms of surrounding myself with the appropriate people
ive been thinking about this all night and it pains me deep to realize it was so obvious to others and not myself so thx
i was fucking this 27 year old who’d just gotten out of a relationship for a while (i’m 24) and i texted her out of the blue and took her to a concert after not seeing her for two months. despite lots of kino etc at the show and her telling me “you’re dangerous” she told me she wouldn’t sleep with me tonight. ((Should have said, “Who said anything about going to sleep?”)) we went to a bar afterward and i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again((very angry = THIS IS THE POINT YOU FAILED = butthurt beta slippage)). she broke down crying ((croc tears)).
i am also probably too mean/bitter(( mean/bitter = butthurt beta slippage)) ,
Got angry, fail to easy CH you’re slipping
Or his students are getting better.
Acknowledged
You’ve known each other for a few months. So this isn’t a shit test per se. Going cocky funny and dismissive won’t work. She needs ‘comfort’. So this:
“We don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do, k” as you look into her eyes lovingly. Then kiss her forehead. Then takeaway by getting a drink and coming back later, leaving her to her thoughts. Then act as if nothing was ever mentioned and continue as you were.
forget the loving eyes bullshit and forehead kissing though. just use the we don’t have to do anything you don’t want to once you’re back at your place and she’s about to hop into your bed. if the girl’s in your bed, all you gotta do is roll over bro that’s all it takes. and if not, playful games but being persistent persistent persistent
When she first mentioned she wouldn’t sleep with him that night he responded poorly to the shit test. He lashed out bitterly. He would have done better to ignore it, tease her, or flipping the script… among other things. Hindsight is 20/20 but he could pre-empt the test with a reverse gender stereotype; a tactic he could incorporate into every interaction. The “I don’t want to get u pregnant” one is kind of an example. Something along the lines of, “hey, just to let u know, at the end of the night I’m not going to go to your place to check out your stereo or pictures from your trip or whatever. I know how you girls operate… I’m a good boy!”
“i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me”
no….you got her buying temp up a little and then told her calmly that you were donating that va-gina to someone else.
dumbass
“she told me she wouldn’t sleep with me tonight”
“Oh, I hope not.”
“Oh, thank God!”
“Not unless you were planning on a threesome.”
“Hey, I’m not that easy. At least buy me dinner.”
“And?”
I burped during the last time I was eating my GF’s cunt…
Dear CH,
The answer is he was fucking somebody who wasn’t an 18-22 year old, foreign, feminine, submissive virgin.
Sincerely yours,
The over-inflated self entitlement to mystical unicorn women by commentors in the manosphere.
U mad bro?
u mad bro?
Damn it whorefinder I did not see that I swear to god.
Great rapists think alike.
Yeah because they will sleep with anyone right.
The main problem with this guy is that he thinks in a non alpha feminized public school approved “getting to agreement” manner. Pussy can’t be bargained for.
He needs to focus on becoming alpha. When that happens, pussy will chase him and all he has to do is continue to be alpha and let the pussy chase him.
(Letting the pussy chase you is a harder concept to grasp than it seems).
He did some good things. Dropping the girl for 2 months without reason meant that for whatever problem she had with him at the time that cause her to tell him she had another man, she would come to this date ready for sex. He held his ground, flirted with the other girls, and dodged her attempt to make him an orbiter by trying to get him to white knight her man problems.
I’ve found that when a girl starts to talk about sex and the conversation has not been about sex thus far, then the girl is ready for sex with me. In this case “I’m not having sex,” really meant “I want to have sex tonight but you gotta pass my shit test”. He failed that one by taking her seriously. He also probably failed by giving details when she asked about his sex life. Dodge the question with a joke then get her qualifying by throwing a question back at her.
Mr B,
There are times when I read these posts and wonder why some dog so hard about how a Beta screws up an interaction up. The young Beta is clearly looking for help and in our quest to master our own Alpha skills we should be providing good logical solutions and guidance and not coming off as the “I’m such a badass Alpha that knows all this and you should too.”
My guess, is that most (not all) have come here to read for enjoyment and to learn about the ways that have been systematically conditioned and bred out of us on a daily basis in this country. If you were a true natural Alpha without a care in the world you probably wouldn’t be here or seek the knowledge of a place like this anyway.
Give the young man and all the men that follow the guidance of a Master so we can make an attempt to, at the very least, control our own environment. The enemy is not the person trying to correct a wrong. It is our government, single mothers, and the media teaching our young men to be complete pussies or pay the wrath.
Kind of similar shit happened to me around a month ago-but the girl just stop talking to me,basically dumped me.
I dissapeared for a week,than appeared-we had sex.But than the day after she became cold and distant.I reacted with coldness too,and it all went downhill.
You are bad in bed.
Does not explain it.She was alright with me for around 1 1/2 months.
1 1/2 month and she was already bored.
You are bad in bed.
You listening this time?
Whatever,I am lazy to explain.
I have not even asked for advice,just shared a story.Its clear for me what happened
but whatever the lesson learned, juice yourself to the tits, you will fuck like a champ. and if you already fuck like a champ, you will now fuck like a god
@ eric hartman: start smashing the sustanon and pop some viagra bro lol
Need more info, bro.
Tell us about the girl and the relationship.
I had a similar situation with a slam pig I’d been poking since she was a 19 year old sneaking into bars. I was in grad program, she was in undergrad and then I moved away (baltimore to DC). She was always FWB for me during that time but the move meant not so much contact. Until one night she invites herself over to my neck of the woods to come drinking with us in dc, meaning she’s crashing with me. And she pulled the no-sex tonight shit bc of alleged relationship.
My own pre-red-pill path was to actually try hard with her for the first time ever. Got nothing out of it, just basic make out session, but I did not tell her “i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again.”
Whatever, it was ultimately cool and things were back to normal. FWB, no fuss no muss. So what if you couldn’t reseal the deal one night? And good for her for vaguely not full on, cheat-cheating on whatever it was she had holding her back.
My only lesson learned was to not even bother trying, that if she was going to throw down, she was. Otherwise, be cool, put some moves on but don’t get pissy.
shorter version, “jesus, calm down dude.”
At no point in the entire interaction did he pull out a ziplock bag of stored semen. That was the fatal flaw in his approach.
for the mutherfuckin win
She NEEDED that protein…
You can’t spend too much time with girls at the bar. If the attraction is not there withing like the first 30 seconds, just move on to something else.
Yawn. This could have all been fixed by just one word….
RAPE!
Yep she even implied he should drug her. One of those kind.
those girls are fun, but all you gotta do is just pop some m together. unless you’re both down for the ghb
crazy story about ghb. i work door at a club and got radio’d downstairs for some shit across the dance floor. look over and our token black bouncer with the other white college football player, both over 6’4″, are looking across the room at me with bewildered looks on their faces…and out of nowhere i see this guy’s head popping up out of the crowd, and then back into the crowd, then popping back out, like a bobber on the water.
so i’m like what the fuck.
i make my way through the dance floor and here’s the fuckin guy, he’s got to be at least 350-400 lbs, not kidding. and he’s fuckin taken too much ghb and his legs don’t work. he’s trying for the life of him to stand but his legs won’t let him…the muscles aren’t staying contracted and he can’t stand up. so token and college ball both grab an arm and i grab him under the arms from behind and basically begin to fireman drag him across the dance floor.
couldn’t even make it halfway and had to drop the fucker! smashed the ground with the back of his head! we managed to get him to the other side, but by now, the rest of the staff knew what was going on and we had six guys there trying to get this guy to stand. except we were at the bottom of the staircase which is approx 20 steps up to the street.
it’s weird cause i knew this guy knew what was going on and he could see all of us, but couldn’t stand up to save his life. his buddies were all around him trying to give him a hand when suddenly buddy on the floor reaches up to one of his friend and tries to hand him something…i see this and look up to college ball and he grabs whatever was being passed on. turns out it’s 40s of blow! like a whole fuckin lunch bag, probably 30 of them in there
it took us 10 minutes to get him up to the street where it was raining. i had to basically knee him in the asshole up each step and prop his weight on my knee each time. we dragged him out onto the sidewalk and propped him up again a bollard. my calves were actually sore the next day although i make a point of working them heavy at least twice a week at the gym.
the ambulance is called and the cops show up. the do a search on buddy and find an eye dropper which was assumed to be his ghb container. he ends up getting taken away in the ambulance and i thought this guy was gonna fuckin die.
but guess what.
the NEXT fuckin night he comes back and wants his drugs back! what a fuckin tool. i said no lol
moral of the story; don’t be a fuckin douchebag and drug girls, it’s only okay if you both consent to taking them together.
tldr version; I HAD TO CARRY A 400 LB FATASS ON FUCKED ON GHB UP A FLIGHT OF STAIRS OUT OF A CLUB
ps another moral of story; make sure you’re in the bathroom when that call happens.
shit
Who drugs girls? That was just a joke.
O DUB
that’s what i’m calling you from now on.
yah i know it was a joke, but i’ve had girls do the playful you should drug my drink thing, but i only say i’ll drug their drink if they drug mine. and when you said ‘one of those kind’ i fully agreed because those are the girls you want to party with lol
only pieces of shit drug girls’ drinks
Exactly. Punks who have to really drug or rape girls deserved to be shot in the face.
Who cares? Stop preaching.
relax bro enjoy the story
Who cares? Stop preaching.
sounds like fun bro
I’m just wondering, why would he take it himself? To get down from a coke high?
could be. i guess i coulda asked him, he was a regular there for a while, but hasn’t really shown his face since.
i’ve known some (amateur) bodybuilders who self administer due to the clean conversion in the liver to gaba…apparently doesn’t damage liver like alcohol. also apparently may actually IMPROVE liver function as it will increase reserves of nadh. which would be a plus for anyone whoe is taxing their liver with the j. although this guy in the bar was a fatass, increased serotonin and suppressed dopamine make for a pretty good time. there was a girl with him that was pretty gone, too but not sure about if she had any or not…
a close friend of mine actually uses low doses pretty frequently to help her sleep but she’s pretty heavy into the party drugs so it could definitely be to lower the dopamine highs
Everyone’s a fucking pharmacologist these days.
nah i did a google search on that shit
but i do find it interesting
“I’m not going to sleep with you tonight.”
“That’s funny; girls only say that to me right before I fuck them.”
He cared. When she said she would not sleep with you, you were being obvious with your sexual advances (I’m guessing from your point about being uncalibrated way too handsy) but not bringing enough comfort. You could make an alpha remark, as mentioned above, but I don’t think it’s necessary. just respond ok, drop the topic and continue on the date acting like what she said anything. let her prattle on about her girl bullshit, pay half attention and bring your sexual vibe. she just wants to resist a little, and by addressing the resistance, you’re making it stronger. she wants you make her feel like she isn’t a slut so she has plausible deniabilty that you only want her for her vagina. Just get her in the bedroom door and she probably won’t say anything. NEVER get into a will she/won’t she argument; then you’re engaging the rational part of her brain, and you’re sunk. Ofcourse, if she doesn’t put out, let her contact you. She’ll know what she needs to do to keep your attention.
Krauser has been over this before and other PUA have said the same thing: It’s better to get a girl emotional than horny. Isolate then go for the escalation.
Not that you should not inject some amounts of sexuality and kino to keep her seeing you as more than a dickless Burger King type of Grandfather or little brother.
Maybe she was on her period or hadn’t shaved down there for a while. I would never have sex with any guy if I was on my period or if my grooming down there was less than stellar, no matter how attracted I am to him.
First date I had with my ex GF, she was all over me, we were making out on her couch, she was squealing with glee, and she says, “We’re not going to have sex tonight.” I just totally ignored her and kept passionately making her happy. Turned out she was on her period and still in the pretty bloody stages, so it turns out she was right, so we just banged each other with panties on and kissed for about 5 hours, until the morning. Now, on the second date, I bet you can imagine how that went. #epicwinning. And we dated for 3 years after that.
“so we just banged each other with panties on”
…wut…
If she hadn’t shaved, her bad. Menses…not her fault.
Mouth?? You have been cheated on a whole bunch of times!
Blow job. DUUUUh
yeah but maybe the girl in the story is selfish and doesn’t want to do anything if she’s only giving and not recieving, I know lots of girls like that
Too high maintenance for me.
You mean like you…
Exactly. Women always project.
she told me she wouldn’t sleep with me tonight<<<
Doesn’t always mean that.
You told her you were angry with her? Terrible move. Terrible frame. Never ever ever listen to what a girl verbalizes.. She went to a concert with you, was still up for drinks afterward… sounds like you were escalating kino and she wasn’t resisting…?
Her words were simply plausible deniability, typical female caprice, and you should have progressed accordingly.
After she told him she wouldn’t be sleeping with him that night, he should’ve lowered his eyelids and flashed her a cocky smirk before replying with:
“Who said I wanted to sleep with you?”
By doing so, he would have flipped the script and got her to qualify herself to him. To hammer the point home, he’d have to maintain his frame as the buyer with options, while she is forced to adopt the frame of the bankrupt seller. He should have unashamedly flirted with the bartender in front of the girl to the point of a number close. Even a fake number would work, as long as the girl witnessed it. If that doesn’t get the girl’s ‘gina tingling into overdrive, then he should turn his attention to the female patrons in order to reinforce his frame as the buyer with options. After all, a buyer with options isn’t limited to any single seller — he has the power to choose which seller will be the best option for him. If there are no female patrons worth pursuing, then he should finish his drink and simply leave. Guaranteed she’ll be running after him and calling his name as she struggles to pull the sleeve of her coat on her arm.
Game. Set. Snatch.
put my shit thru CH…lotsa good cockas comments LOLOZLOLZ
“i am also probably too mean/bitter”
…this might not be a huge problem per se…but it was for me and still is in some respects…bitterness and resentment has a way of animating your every interaction with women…and they are prone to picking up on this quite easily…it can really nuke your chances unless you’re dealing with low LOW self-esteem cumslupping superwhores…
…always kind of been a problem for me…I don’t actually LIKE women…I like fucking their asses but I don’t really respect them as people or enjoy their company…as I find them to be obnoxious, entitled and just plain stupid…and i’d say it definitely hurts my Game…
You’re failing when you take her seriously. Why hate them for acting in their nature? Be happy that nature leads to your dick up their ass.
…probably just traces of blue pill expectations that I’ve yet to purge from my soul…I’m getting there…
you haven’t made one useful to you yet
what do you like in life what do you want out of it
chicks can make a lot of that shit happen
house that cleans itself food that cooks it self cups that fill themselves cigs that light themselves are a start
think of a hotel with the best service in the world you can train a chick to do all that and more
think of luxury or the scene from a movie where it is the epitome of relaxation where the person is sitting back and getting fed grapes right and the people with the palm fronds for air conditioning and everything they want they can just command to be done
it can go a step further though where you don’t even command the chick just does the fanning you down with her shirt and drying your sweat automatically he he he
my chick said she knew I was a rich preppy dude when she first met me cause of how I would just tell her to do shit like a boss
only thing is I was poor as fuck when I met her he he he
My girl is fixing lunch as I’m reading your comment. Dead serious.
I don’t actually LIKE women…I like fucking their asses
diagnosis: gay
When she said, “we’re not sleeping together tonight.”, he wasted a perfectly good opportunity to use the, “That’s okay, I don’t want to get you pregnant.” line with a playful smirk.
by the way this entry by the post subject smells of troll. He says he “was fucking” her “for a while” (yea right it was probably about twice). There is no way he was fucking her regularly “for a while” and then for some reason doesn’t see her at all for 2 months.
The right answer:
“I’m not gonna sleep with you tonight.”
“Great… I don’t want to get you pregnant.”
i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again.
There’s the screwup. Where’s my Argentine poodle?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305310/Man-gets-shock-toy-poodles-turn-GIANT-RODENTS-steroids.html
Psh. Ferrets aren’t rodents.
I know that, and it appears that whoever wrote the article did too. But it turns out that newspaper managers, who aren’t exactly the brightest bulbs in the shed, are the ones who write headlines to the articles.
He failed the moment he showed that he cared if she rejected him.
I’ve just come out of a 1 month relationship with a high 7 or low 8. Of course she was somewhat fucked up in the head. Should I change my user name now, you think?
Oops, I meant to mention I fucked her about 15 times, including anal once.
nice cooler if you just add the fd7 at the end cause then you can see your accomplishment every day he he he
When he told her he was butthurt because she didn’t have any intention to sleep with him.
we went to a bar afterward and i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again. she broke down crying. i must admit i took some pleasure in it.”””””””’
the crying game
nice that you got her there that quick to that emotional state over some calm i’m angry and never call you again
but then ya got to turn those tears to joy
could of used the
i’ve been with 20 chicks and couldn’t fuck any of them my dick couldn’t help but think of you
all i could let em do was suck my dick
that why i’m so pent up
he he he
i actually like the line for producing emotional response
could of also said i won’t have sex with you until you beg for it
which makes it a game of you trying to get her to beg
and it will definetly flip the script on her and get her really really thinking about fucking you especially if you remain solid
when i had my chick beggng me to fuck her in the ass over and over like really begging
it was a win he he he
”””said she’d sleep with me if i put roofies in her drink (weird, but a sign she was thinking about it, i presume).”””
yea she was thinking bout fucking and the i won’t have sex with you would of flipped that script
the question is
how far away from home was the concert and why didn’t you take her home to drink at your house or if far and bought the concert tickets should of had a hotel room ready to go allready assuming the sale
but really with all the interest from her end
it shouldn’t be a problem to hit it again on a diferent day i wouldn’t think
just wait for her to call you maybe since ya did say ya wouldn’t talk to her again
the thing about here in the hood though is that really the chicks stay with the dudes that call them 300 times a day and track them down when they disapear with another dude
cause the chicks can’t get rid of the dude
just realized it was coming home with me not having sex with me
ok yea just had to say not going home to have sex just hang out in comfort see your collection of rare hooker jeans lol
At least he didnt say “Seriously tho ur pussy rocks!”
I identify with the guy taking pleasure in making the girl cry. I do this too. I don’t know why.
a naked girl in my bed crying is one of my favorite things in the universe.
mine tells me if I want her to cry I can just tell her I don’t have to be mean
tears on demand better than satellite
Seems to me if this dude hadn’t internalized the idea that had a “lack of options” before even going on this date all would have been well. The dumb shit he said didn’t seem like a deal breaker to me until I read that part.
The post will be updated later in the day. Commenters with the winning replies will receive a stuffed ferret in rage mode.””””””’
god dam I want that stuffed ferret in rage mode
and if my chick don’t get it she gonna cry and i’m gonna go all battshit and prob cry with her he he he
Meh, he messed up by not putting a roofy in her drink.
Actually, if a female ever tells me ‘I’m not going to sleep with you tonight,’ I would respond with a good hearty belly laugh, and nothing else. How did this guy respond to it, anyway?
“…and i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again…”
You did very, very good in telling her calmly that you were very angry at her.
What, you’re her fucking drunk father now?
I like the fact that you set the goal of fucking her that same day, but you couldn’t do it. And you became angry. At her. Then you told her. You broke five rules in less than one minute. I hope you weren’t caught on tape.
He lost the frame right … about …
i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again
… there.
Middle age married guy with no game, but I’ll give it a try.
I would say he failed when he sent the text. I mean if the best you can do is try and hook up with someone he hasn’t spoken to in months that doesn’t exactly scream alpha. Sounds more like a beta orbiter, if I understand the term correctly.
Instead of being the hot guy that she wanted to sleep with, he became the hanger-on that took her to a concert and bought her a few drinks.
He texted her out of the blue.
Thank you.
if you try to convince a girl logically to fuck you, you already lost the game.
i would say that “i’m not sleeping with you tonight” is a MAJOR IOI though. in womanese that would usually translates into “show me what you got”.
The answer is simple. He was too focused on her. All his efforts showed that what he really was intending to do was impressing her. In the end, all his alpha moves were no more than a circus show made to amuse her. He did not had to put that much effort into appearing alpha; he just had to turn his back on her and work towards some other goal (i.e. chick).
‘i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me’
^ That’s where he lost her.
Rule #something: when a girl says ‘I’m not sleeping with you tonight’, she’s seriously considering sleeping with you.
Taking her words at face value (as he did) is a recipe for disaster.
Fast forward, aying things like ‘I will permit you to sleep with me’ in an attempt to flip the script almost never flips the script, ESPECIALLY after you’ve shown your try-hard hand by getting angry at words meaning the exact opposite.
Her saying ‘I’ll sleep with you if you put rufies in my drink’ is the SECOND time she told him she’s DTF via plausible deniability.
The proper way to handle this, the moment she first said ‘I’m not sleeping with you’ is to say ‘ok’ with a smirk, order another drink, and proceed as usual with the kino escalation, kiss close, bounce back to your pad, foreplay escalation, and finally the bang.
I’m willing to bet the underlying problem is that he isn’t regularly approaching/banging new girls. That’s the only reason to get beta with a girl he’s already banged. There are very few women problems that can’t be solved by fucking more women.
When he got angry! She went to a concert and OUT TO A BAR with the dude… obviously she was into him. When she said that he should have just laughed it off or just said something cocky with a smile on his face and pressed on. I’m no game guru but I have had situations like this before and passed with flying colors… the key is just press on and don’t listed to what she says.
the guy fucked up by sticking his dick in crazy.
a 27 year old girl who breaks down crying when a guy who isn’t her long term bf or husband or barely even a fuckbuddy tells her he doesn’t want to see her any more is all sorts of cuckoo upstairs. the roofies comment is especially telling – as no normal girl would say something like that unless she had that kind of sense of humor. and this girl didn’t, since the reader noted that the comment was weird, as opposed to funny.
i bet her name was m@ya.
He did fuck her. Then he texeted “out of the blue” after 2 months.
-> She was his fuck buddy.
He lost her when he invited her to the concert. You go to concerts with your girl friend (maybe maitress) but certainly not with your fuck buddy.
An invitation to fuck him again would most certainly have yielded a more pleasurable result. Fuck the girl, not her hamster.
A woman would never say something like “I won’t sleep with you (tonight)” unless she already sees you as a sexual threat. Even if not tonight, there’s always tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow… and the next woman is just around the corner anyway.
Telling her you’re ‘angry’, no matter how calmly, is not maintaining your composure and cool-as-fuckness. Not outcome independent. Let her push your buttons and she is in control, not you. Disconnect the wiring for those buttons.
He failed when he took her to a concert.
It was all uphill from there.
srsly tho, he lost his mojo by not buying her dinner and flowers.
i’ll take my raging ferret in purple please, h3artsie. and if you could sign it and rub your man musk into it, i’d be greatly appreciated.
(no homo)
“we went to a bar afterward and i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again.”
wrong move. if you wanna fuck her, don’t “suggest it”, he gave her the option of saying no. he broke the frame.
“…but probably betrayed my own lack of options by being too affectionate and continuing to care, show kino etc. she showed mixed signals – kept asking me questions about my actual type, continued to say she wouldn’t sleep with me but admitted she’d lied earlier when she said she was seeing someone, said she’d sleep with me if i put roofies in her drink (weird, but a sign she was thinking about it, i presume).”
she was giving him another shot to regain control. but he hesitated and didn’t regain frame control.
if your intention is sex, DO NOT allow her to turn you into a bestie. if she’s not going to let you “in”, bail. remove all attention from her.
http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.com/the-three-pillars/
Just say –
“Well, we didn’t fall asleep the last time we fucked, so no big deal.” With develish grin, of course.
Actually used this once in the same situation – it worked.
Don Draper Season 6 Episode 3 to his neighbour’s wife who he’s banging: “You want to feel shitty right up until the point I take your dress off….because I’m going to do that.”
“…despite lots of kino etc at the show and her telling me “you’re dangerous” she told me she wouldn’t sleep with me tonight.”
So I said, “That’s fine. I’m not up for that anyway. My back is *killing* me from helping a friend move. You can do is give me a massage back at my place – and I’ll buy the next round.”
We were slightly tipsy by the time we got home and when I took off my clothes so did she, without thinking. We started laughing and one thing led to another and…
The poster misunderstood that what girls “Say” is different from what girls “Do”.
The fact she was blabbing on about not wanting to sleep with him after 2 months didn’t mean anything.
The poster should have ignored what she was saying or come up with some response like shrugging and saying “I wouldn’t want to get your pregnant”….
Then continued to enjoy the evening.
By addressing her complaints logically instead of shrugging it off as a “Shit-test” the poster failed.
“I won’t sleep with you tonight.”
“Yeah, I’m not feeling it, either.”
His failure came long before getting angry… alas, where to start… at the beginning, I suppose:
i was fucking this 27 year old who’d just gotten out of a relationship for a while (i’m 24) and i texted her out of the blue…
I agree with this guy. Now give me my prize.
There have been a lot of abusive comments so far ,but can some of you guys cut the originator some slack? He knows he has made mistakes but he’s got the balls to admit it and write to CH. It’s easy to criticise when you are not there and in the moment.
As for this discussion I’m interested in this bit…. “i was fucking this 27 year old who’d just gotten out of a relationship for a while (i’m 24) and i texted her out of the blue and took her to a concert after not seeing her for two months.”
…now this sounds like a possible alpha widow to me. We know the type. Screws around then doesn’t, might, then might not, catch her on the right night and its easy, catch her on the wrong night and you haven’t got a chance because she is itching to find someone to dump her neurosis on.
I think you bang this type and enjoy it when its available but when its not, just walk away and forget it. You cant pay this type any attention whatsoever because when they are out of the screw around phase they then start playing out all the scenarios that they lost out with with their ex. Just walk away.
“i told her calmly i was very angry at her for coming out with me with no interest in coming home with me, and that i’d never call her again. she broke down crying. i must admit i took some pleasure in it.”
Too bitter.
“My girlfriend probably wouldn’t like it either.”
“Who says I’m that easy?”
“Good, because I don’t want to hurt our friendship” while smirking at her (this one is really only for the psychopaths…).
Or just ignore her, since 95% of it doesn’t mean anything anyway.
Where to begin?
PLUS i texted her out of the blue and took her to a concert after not seeing her for two months.
MINUS she told me she wouldn’t sleep with me tonight. we went …
A. Dump her at the most convenient public transportation.
B. half-beta, take her home.
MINUS i told her calmly i was very angry at her
Insouciance is the virtue, not flashing that she pressed your anger button.
MINUS excusing myself for the bathroom when she started talking (other guy)…
Assuming you did not direct the stream toward her, you shouldn’t have excused yourself, just said “can he pick you up, I’m busy for the next 24 hours starting now”.
BINGO probably betrayed my own lack of options by being too affectionate and continuing to care…
Duh! Nothing is also an option and you could show that you preferred that to her.
MINUS continued to say …
a bunch of utter nonsense. That is ultimatum (or action!) time, and you didn’t seize the moment.
Tautologies distill to great Truths.
Thank you.
Often-times, there is no other way to get there.
Why did you have to disrespect such a noble animal as the ferret by equating them with that creature?
“And what exactly makes you think I’d sleep with you?”
Reframe. Now instead of defending your getting in her pants, you’ve put her on the ropes. She’s now defending why she was thinking of sleeping with you in the first place.
And a shit-test emerges. “I want to make him want to sleep with me. I want to prove I’m worth sleeping with. I need to cover up the fact I was thinking about going down on him and then allowing him to put it in forbidden places.” She’s on the run and she’s trying to win your affection back. She’s trying to redeem herself in your eyes to become that magical person you’re willing to accept an erotic romp with. Her confidence implodes and she realizes you’re the real deal. There’s no blowing you over with huffing and puffing. You’re no petty conjurer of cheap tricks. You’re the master and this is your domain.
You lead. She follows. She’s rewarded.
I had this “I won’t sleep with you tonight”.
My answer was “Cut the crap. Later you will beg me”.
How Attractive Are You To The Opposite Sex?
What you guys think about this reply: “Fantasizing about me already huh?”
YOu guys dont get it. Women say these things when they are aroused by a man, and they are trying not to feel responsible for the sex that they want. YOu dont fucking rub it in their face and mock them and ask if theyre fantasizing about you. That just amplifies her slut defense. you re-frame “who said anything about that?” or just be coy, or vague, or just terse in general. YOu could probably get away with a flat “ok”. then get off the subject pronto and get back to gaming her and escalating soon. Your words should just reassure her forebrain, and your physical escalation should go on as normal.
These instances are reflecting her inner turmoil, which is up to you to resolve…by comforting her forebrain, and escalating towards sex like nothing even happened. Shes saying:
“I want to fuck you. Please take the lead and fuck me, so i can feel like i had no control and was whisked away. Im not a slut”. Women fuckin hate when they have to fill in the blanks and participate in their own seduction. They fucking hate it.
Its fuckin crazy but once you get how women do things it makes sense. Learn the code…
[CH: Correct. Saying ‘Ok’ is the best short response.]
remember, the goal is to have sex.
It isnt about having the coolest james bond comeback. Just understand the meaning behind why they are doing this, and you will be closer to responding correctly. They blurt this shit out because they want your cock, but dont want to feel like they had any responsibility for (eventually) sleeping with you. They’re letting off some of the pressure, trying to reassure themselves. A girl who doesnt wanna fuck you wont ever even verbalize anything remotely sexual in your presence. They just WONT FUCK YOU. They wont fuckin tell you that…at least i cant see it happening.
Its token resistance…and its a good thing. Its a clear signal of sexual readiness…interest…whatever you wanna call it.
More or less what I said, once the spam filter spits out my comment above this one. As for the goal of having sex, I’d also add to that the goal of mitigating potentially negative consequences of sex. A woman’s less likely to attempt to harm a man she views as a calm, confident master than she is a cad or a lucky douchebag who spent the night with her. Mitigating negative consequences is a big part of game as any guy who has ever been accused of date rape by a lover scored can tell you.
Perfect example and instruction.
Actually I don’t think you don’t get it, either. When you have already banged a chick….”I’m not having sex with you tonight” means something different than when you haven’t already banged her.
still holds true what i said. the guys overall beta-ness prompted this kind of shit from her in the first place. Either shouldnt have gotten to that point, or you should replace this chick with another. So i dont think its worthwhile to whip up a new NLP, Mystery method tactic to deal with this. Its his behavior that is creating the situation.
Yup his beta-ness did prompt this, but her comments are more likely an example of classic pussy price renegotiation than legitimate slut shame. She’s already been banged AND is not sneaking around on a boyfriend.
Be very aware that “slut shame” is one of the most used feminist excuses for female sexual behavior, right behind “rape fear”. Most of the times it’s just bullshit as female dress and behavior tell the real truth. Pains me to no end that game parrots this liberal propaganda about “shame”. Pussy is economics.
[…] Alpha Assessment: False Frame Edition […]
What’s the best way to benefit from a coworker’s nude pics?
It is a country club and I could potentially send it to all of the members and our boss if I was so evilly inclined.
I would like to try to use it somehow to leverage benefits regarding career/money.
Ideas how to pull this off to benefit myself without getting my own ass in trouble?
I think you have asked the wrong blog site for information regarding blackmail. The only interest of the guys here is getting laid, not getting rich.
I would think blackmail is a very poor idea. Work on your game instead.
yea money definetly needs to be talked about more
getting rich can be boring as fuck though so yea maybe why
I think why I like petite olive and our other illustrious woman on here commenting just shows how easy it can be with loot to get any ho
What’d she do?
She’s an attention whoring slut, I’m married, she steals other people’s leads all the time, careerist bitch in general. I would prefer not to send the photos out and would rather have her give me cash to keep them secret.
Call a lawyer… duh!
Why do you scare my mind with such pictures ~
“I was right when I said yesterday leftoids were having a panic attack that bomber might be Saudi.”
I’ll admit that surprised me. Usually they manage to be a little more subtle than to openly admit, within 24 hours, that they hope to capitalize on mass murder to further their racist agenda. However, they are smugly relieved that the dead people in Boston are taking the heat off the media for burying the Gosnell trial:
http://www.phillyburbs.com/blogs/news_columnists/jd_mullane/what-i-saw-at-the-gosnell-trial/article_c15d6904-cd3c-55b7-970f-f8e510182daf.html
Reporter takes picture of rows of empty press seats at Gosnell trial. Comment:
“Unfortunately for [the reporter] – who, in all his glory in the current moment, probably now envisions himself as a candidate for the Pulitzer (::chuckle::) – the situation in Boston has completely stolen his thunder. If no one cared what was happening in Philly, no one REALLY cares now.
As for Gosnell, follow the bouncing ball: one bad apple don’t spoil the whole bunch, girl. Anyone with intact critical thinking skills knows that this guy is a rogue actor, and cannot be used to generalize about how abortions are regularly performed. So if you’re anti-choice, don’t get your hopes up about any kind of tide turning; you’ve already lost the culture war. Pack it in.”
So, when presented with stark evidence that the media lies by omission, the liberal’s response is a condescending smirk at this poor naif for trying to tell him the truth, followed by gloating that everyone “knows better” anyway. Meanwhile, ironically, the 8-year-old kid who died yesterday has had plenty of play on CNN today. It’s all about whether your death fits the right narrative.
After the bombing I was struck by how similar the NPR coverage was to one of their fundraising drives. The only thing missing was the “number to call to make a pledge”.
I don’t know who did it, but Im confident it was NOT a black person:
a) Building bombs is too technical for the tiny negro mind
b) nigs don’t run unless its after fried chicken or the police is chasin em
c) Angry nigs are impulsive. Bombing requires planning…
My money is on the white man.
As for Gosnell:
“Tina Baldwin testified that Gosnell treated women differently, based on their race. White women “with money” were taken to an “immaculate” upstairs room where Gosnell treated them personally. Poor black, Latino and other women were kept in the clinic’s dingy, dirty downstairs rooms, and were usually treated by medically unqualified staff.
Tina Baldwin said she asked Gosnell about why he treated white women differently from the others. She recalled him saying, “Sorry, but that’s how it is.”
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Why does this even qualify as news? Sounds like a great business model to me. Aborting savage niglets is very cost effective. All they gonna do is grow up, get in a beef and shoot each other.
“Why does this even qualify as news? Sounds like a great business model to me. Aborting savage niglets is very cost effective. All they gonna do is grow up, get in a beef and shoot each other.”
…lol…brutal…
It’s all about whether your death fits the right narrative.
And how old you are when it happens. One 8 year old gets blown up? National tragedy. Hundreds of babies ripped from the womb and killed on the table? Woman’s choice. Fucking hypocrites, all of them.
I’m pro-choice because as I see it the alternative puts lawmakers on the slippery slope of deciding what people can’t (or have to) do with their own bodies. That said, I can’t see any moral argument for waiting twenty weeks before deciding to abort the kid. Also, I can see where the pro-life people are coming from, which is no doubt why libs, exercising their usual gift for euphemism, have re-branded them as “anti-choice”.
Not that sovereignty over your own body matters as a principle; when it’s time to install the RFID chips, they’ll say “this is different; it’s about preventing terrorism. Look at this sobbing woman whose kid was just killed in a terror attack. Are you going to tell her that you’d rather have more terrorism than a harmless little chip?”
Scandinavian game, from The Emigrants:
Town slut-with-a-heart-of-gold says to Max von Sydow, after admitting her wayward past and the hypocrisy of most of the men who came sniffing around her, but praising him for his steadfast “family values”:
“Oh, but I wouldn’t sleep with you, Karl-Oskar.”
(deadpan look) “Have I asked you, then?”
Obscure as fuck. Well done. You are a unique resource.
Not to us square heads.
Behold: a sure sign of the total and complete Kali Yuga that is consuming the planet:
http://www.youtube.com/user/BlondBoyRyan?feature=watch
This guy was done when he texted her out of the blue. If he could salvage anything, perhaps he could suggest that she take him to the concert because being older she had more cash on hard. Just dont respond if she says anything but an enthusiastic yes. Fuck kid come on
Nah. Texting out of the blue is called a booty call. It was the concert that was the mistake.
The clue is in your heading:-
“A reader writes about a girl playing hard to get after she had already been gotten”.
Given that the girl did not seem interested in an LTR, the guy’s inability or refusal to ruthlessly dump her upon her rebuttal of more sex was his automatic entry into the friendzone.
the end
dam ch
guess pass on the awards ceremony
that chick looks just like the chick that ate the 110 pound chick I used to know
minus the weird shit on her face
Somebody asked earlier about a good first date movie?
I saw a chick flick called “Todays Special” about an Indian sous chef who is a total beta male with all of the problems that stem from it. By accident, he meets an older aloof alpha who tries to teach him “game”. I won’t spoil it by explaining the outcome; but it was a pretty good movie for a chick flick. Also, it shows in detail the pressure “immigrant” guys are under to become a beta provider; lots of game code demonstrated. This is a good first date movie. ( make strong moves during the movie and get told “stop it!”)
Bang away when it ends.
These movies are panty remover on a disc.
Where’s my ferret?
8=========D
I think the bottom line is… Angry isn’t alpha. If you’re getting angry over something, you’re just demonstrating frustration and alphas are never frustrated, they just move on to another option.
This guy is a pathetic loser, period.
The girl clearly has problems in the head, yet this desperate schmuck even tried to “calmly” scold and shame her into sex. She is already lying, crying, and suggesting that if this prick-beta male DRUGS HER with roofies (rendering her unconcious), she might be willing to give him some pussy.
The fact that he even wants to have sex with her after that, speaks volumes about how desperate this little alpa-poser really is.
He needs to kick rocks…
Off topic, but perhaps of interest; a woman in the UK is afraid of smothering her boyfriend with her boobs:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/claire-smedley-woman-britains-biggest-1827385
[…] Now, when you’re gaming a chick to get in her pants, it’s different. You’re going to get some hard no’s. This reader over at the Chateau wrote: […]
she: “i won’t sleep with you tonight”
he: “thank God. I need a break”
Probably around 80% of the girls I’ve slept with in the past two years have said, “we’re not having sex” or some variation of it the night we first had sex. A lot of commentators are coming up with clever lines, criticizing the venue or criticizing even texting the girl out of the blue; they’re all missing the point. He had it in the bag until he got angry.
“I’m not going to sleep with you tonight”
“right”
Fuck. Tried to embed a picture and it didn’t work. Essential part of the answer too.
http://clotheslineblog.com/files/Bush%20smirk.jpg
Took her to a concert after months of not seeing her is a bit high investment no?
Nop.
This is kinda “stack your dates”. He’d go to this concert anyway. She might join him (as a bonus), but she’s not the reason for him to go there. If she doens’t show – who cares, he’s having some good time there, it’s her loss. Building a date and expectations around her only would mean he’s investing too much and he’d might end up butthurt.
However, he blew it up saying he’s mad at her (had great expectations).
He sould put her on hold, at least for a month, to clear Beta/friendzone misconception.
And he is also gonna be home 7 days of the week. Why not invite her there? Oh that’s right…
Stop rationalizing. The concert was too much…
you’re stickin to your guns hey
good form
i guess what he could have said was i’m going to blah blah concert tickets are $xx meet me there
wicked concert plus if the bitch shows up then you know you’re 110% in and don’t need to get any sort of angry
Ladies CH won’t but my Fieldgate updates through from my work computer sorry
She was lying about having a boyfriend or whatever which is a hint that she was lying about other things,, Or at least that her frame isn’t strong or it’s interchangeable.
Also your outcome independence wasn’t strong when you literally told her what outcome you was depending on!
My personal favs:
“We’ll be too busy fucking to sleep”
“If by ‘sleeping’ you mean sex it’s okay ’cause anal isn’t really sex”