In-her-face negs are really only suited for very hot girls (8s and above) who think too much of themselves, work in a sex field (stripper, pharmaceutical sales rep), are ovulating, or are in a social context such as a club where they are primed for flirty banter. The rest of the time, your negs should be crafted in such a manner that they deliver their payload with sneaky plausible deniability, like a homing missile launched from a hidden bunker aimed at the soft chewy center of her ego. The best negs are those which are conceivably meant as compliments, but which linger in her psyche for hours afterward, undermining her self-conception and encouraging her to qualify herself to you.
I’ll give you an example of what I mean. I was at a party talking with a girl, a cute 7.5, and I mentioned offhandedly (or so it seemed to her, for little I do or say isn’t calculated to maximize my personal advantage) that she seemed really modest. (My assessment wasn’t wholly without merit, judging by her clothes and shy demeanor. Another defining feature of the best negs are that they have the ring of truth to them.)
Naturally, and predictably, she, being a member in good standing of the SWPL industrial complex where modesty is considered a character flaw, balked at this. “Modest? You think that? What do you mean by that?”
I ignored the first importuning, but by the second I had to address her metastasizing concern.
“Modesty is a lost art. It’s not a bad thing… usually. Not everyone feels a need to be an exhibitionist.”
You’ll note three things in my response. One, I didn’t back off from my initial assertion. Nothing kills tingles faster than defensiveness or apologia. Two, I continued the ruse under the assumption that my insidious neg was actually a compliment. Three, I added the qualifier “usually” as a means of keeping her hamster in full throttle spin mode.
I see a lot of guys throwing out community-approved negs on 6s, 7s and sometimes 8s like they are jokey zingers, and the result is often bad, as the girl turns on him or slinks away to find better company. No wonder; their technique carries the whiff of insult, which under normal circumstances with normal cute girls will backfire. (Very hot girls who crave assholes tend to better channel direct insults straight to their vagina region.)
The neg is, as Mystery used to implore, almost a hidden code within the larger conversational framework. It’s supposed to be perceived as a throwaway line of sincere and innocent intent that serves two purposes: one, it disqualifies you to sexy babes who start on the assumption that you’re just another joe schmoe who wants in their pants, and two, it infiltrates a girl’s subconscious so that she spends more mental energy analyzing her worth than she does analyzing yours.
Negs often can be as simple as one-word descriptions that are as easily interpreted as unflattering observations as they are as compliments; and therein lies their effectiveness. No need to memorize one-liners. All you have to have at your disposal is a handy list of vital and penetrating adjectives that cause a click and a whirring in the female limbic system. To wit:
modest.
strict.
humble.
wallflower.
unassuming.
strait-laced.
serious.
responsible.
responsible one.
introverted.
conservative.
upright.
polite.
proper.
good person.
moral.
respectable.
hard-headed.
nonconformist.
don’t care about other people’s opinions.
fastidious.
overeager.
excited to be here.
innocent.
out of her element.
guarded.
social butterfly.
above it all.
queen bee.
march to her own drummer.
individualist.
social/fashion/party maven.
netflix kind of girl.
calm.
low-key.
put up a facade for the crowd.
judgemental.
keep to herself.
energized by the scene.
natural performer.
happiest person here.
brooding.
good friend qualities.
easy to approach.
careful.
tentative.
You’ll also note that a lot of these unnervingly ambiguous observations focus on a girl’s presumed inability to cut loose and have some fun. They are designed, in other words, to eradicate anti-slut defenses and persuade her to open up… to you, the fearless judger of her feminine worth. Some others focus on her social naivete, or her craving for attention. Sprinkle to taste. Some of these negs fall under the category of cold reads; the difference being that cold reads are usually unambiguous compliments worded to entrap a girl deeper into conversation by getting her to talk about herself.
Seduction is the art of contrived concealment. You want to seduce without revealing the machinery of your mind, or the purpose of your words. You introduce the dangerous idea, and if you are successful, she picks up the idea and joins you in her own seduction.
At the end of the night she proved to me her bona fide immodesty with a streetlamp illuminated makeout.
Very true. THe fine distinctions make all the difference.
“it infiltrates a girl’s subconscious so that she spends more mental energy analyzing her worth than she does analyzing yours” Bingo! So long as you have a woman auditioning for you, power remains where it belongs – squarely in your pocket.
All these posts about game and girls are getting in the way of politics.
Just kidding! Thought I’d flip the script on the routinized fags who come on here and complain. Hey, if you don’t want to talk politics along our Euro-nationalist lines, I don’t want you to vote. How’s that trade sound?
Just kidding! Thought I’d flip the script on the routinized fags who come on here and complain. Hey, if you don’t want to talk politics along our Euro-nationalist lines, I don’t want you to vote. How’s that trade sound?
A+
wah wah wah, you’re distracting me with all this talk of my ethnic genetic interests!!!
I prefer the word “typically” over “usually.” It seems that any woman who holds herself above the average guys in her life HATES the idea that she might be typical, and using the term “typically” doesn’t mean that she’s typical, but that what you’re saying is common, but it still gets the hamster spinning.
Great post — so many guys don’t understand negs. They think it just means being mean or an asshole.
In-her-face negs are really only suited for very hot girls (8s and above) who think too much of themselves, work in a sex field (stripper, pharmaceutical sales rep)
*horrifying face* Uhm Exsqueeze me Heartiste! But I am insulted by the idea that you believe Pharmaceutical sales reps are “working in a sex field”. LOL! We are ones who provide those wonderful free drug samples that grandma and grandpa and others may need to stay alive, be healthier with a better quality of life – thankyouverymuch!
*proudly exiting thread with head held high*
…and with hamster wheel at maximum RPMs.
I know plenty of ex-phramasales reps (females), a good number of which admitted they basically had sex with distributors, head doctors of clinics, etc, to get their products shelved and samples distributed.
Also, I can’t name one medication anyone is on that is better for them than eating healthy. Statins, diabetes “medications” and all are fraudulent. Stop eating wheat and GMO grains and many of those medical conditions have a good chance of resolving themselves naturally.
Thanks for that. Grains are evil, as is anything promoted as being “heart healthy”. Processed foods suck.
Not sure if this was posted here earlier or not but you should all check this out. Funny ass editor comments too, like it could have been Heartiste himself.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19433_the-6-most-horrifying-lies-food-industry-feeding-you.html
AB,
We agree on one thing in your post – that many of the major diseases are avoidable if one takes care of themselves properly throughout life. But we live in a society that it takes a great deal of self control and discipline (which a lot of people don’t have) to do the right thing and eat the right way all the time.
many of these bad habits start during childhood and are ingrained during the early years. Its sad, but without the medications for those where the damage has already been done, many people would simply not have a second chance for starting over – so this is where the statins and diabetic meds come in – to help people at least have some sort of quality of life. Also people don’t always have to take the meds if they changed the way they ate etc. but a lot of people don’t want to and so that is why the medications are necessary.
You’d be surprised at the number of docs that hate prescribing drugs. But they HAVE to b/c they will and can be sued if they don’t RX statins and other meds to help their patients. That’s the crazy part of it all – even docs wish they didn’t always have to prescribe these drugs.
My doctor (who is in his 80s now, and still plays tennis, swims and lifts weights) has only prescribed statins to approximately 2% of his patients with signs of genetic disorders that can be treated with statins. For the rest of us, he says repeatedly “No drugs, diet.” He helped me lose 80# off my ass and gut without any major changes in my life.
It’s ALMOST NEVER too late to make dietary changes to get healthier. I’ve consulted with some people in their 60s (along with their PCMD’s) and seen plenty of outcomes where they were able to get off of 70-100% of their pills within a year of eating right.
I think the biggest issue is third party non-neutrality. My doctor refuses to accept insurance, Medicare or Medicaid payments. He accepts cash, check, credit cards. Because the patient pays, he’s able to make better calls regarding their health. Even though he’s taken the Hippocratic Oath, he still knows when to permanently refer a patient to another doctor if that patient doesn’t make lifestyle changes.
Now that the voting morons have decided they want a bigger, more bureaucratic third party payer for health care (i.e., the federal government), things will only get worse — but this is good news for us alphas, natural or otherwise. As more and more men get morbidly obese and self-treat with beer and pot, demand for solid, athletic men will skyrocket out of this world.
Too bad I’ve seen the new college students who just started their freshman year down the street from me: at least 70% of those 18-19 year old gals are fat. So I guess it’s not that good news for men who can control what goes in their mouth and bloodstreams.
Neecy is the Jar Jar Binks of the manosphere.
Nah, Not really – quality intelligent men have never had a problem with Neecy. For some reason though the losers always do. interesting huh? Oh poor me.
Too easy. “Quality intelligent men” wouldn’t give Neecy the time of day, so of course they would have no problem.
HATERS are gonna HATE. You all on this site are beyond pathetic bitter dickhead losers. No wonder you can’t get laid.
And as i said, QUALITY men don’t have a problem with women – just the losers who have to pay to get laid – I’m guessing that represents oh 90% of you here!
The fact is I was talking to the REAL ALPHA here not his little minion of cockroach peons occupying this space trying to “LEARN” how to be men.
Now move along, fuck off and gather up your coins to go pay for those prostitutes that you need so desperatley to get laid!
“You all on this site are beyond pathetic bitter dickhead losers.”
Such venom — and from a member of the most undesired and undesirable demographic: mouthy kaffir broads.
Neecy refers to herself in the third person?
So you’re a sex-worker?
I would be insulted to if I saw a Pharmaceutical rep that looked like you. Don’t they have women send in headshots for those jobs? woof
Ha! Well that is something you will never have to worry about b/c dumbass losers are usually not in the medical profession – unless they are sweeping and cleaning up the remnants of shit and piss 😉
Toodles!
I wonder if she can get any job other than cleaning ladies toilets!
Awww wassamatta FAT SKANK, you must be one of those beasts that sits at the desk waiting for a FREE hot lunch from one of us reps huh? The only free lunch I have for you is the taste of my foot in your mouth. mmmm tastes good huh fat skank?
…and with that, Neecy has jumped the shark.
Pharmaceutical sales isn’t even sales. Being in ‘direct’ sales where you have a commisioned based comp plan where you are paid a % per booked order, that IS sales. This is NOT pharma sales. It’s more of a tits and ass marketing gig.
After college many of the sorority slurrs that I knew became pharma reps. Such a fucking joke of a job. You drive around with a bunch of meds in your company car and drop off samples to doctors and bring them cupcakes and other bullshit, show some cleavge and shake your ass.
I second what AB mentioned. Had similar conversations with a few of them.
It pays the bills and has its perks. And you do earn bonus and commissions based on the market growth of your territory based on how the prescriptions grow or decrease overall.
I agree its definitley a no brainer sales job, but really anything not in the science, engineering, math etc., arena is really a no brainer job IMO.
Yeah the rumors and myths around female pharma reps is that they sleep with docs to get RX’s. i’m sure it happens like it does in almost any field where you have a number of women who sleep their way to become successful. Pharma sales is not unique in this instance.
@neecy, “head held high”? don’t you mean, giving head while high?
i thought that is how you encourage doc’s to start pushing your product
NOT ALL PHARMACEUTICAL SALES REPS ARE LIKE THAT!
but all women are like that.
Any woman in any type of sales is working in a sex field.
I used to me much more Machiavellian with my verbal game, and it has it’s time and place for sure.
I really like, “You have really nice hair! Do you have any split ends? (They all do.)
This usually gets them stumbling, “Oh yeah, well, I need a haircut soon, blah, blah, blah,”
At this point you feign disinterest
It’s pretty devious.
Along the same lines I like this one:
[While she is talking to you, interupt, give puzzled glance at her hair]
You: what is your natural hair color?
Her: omg can you see my roots? I need to go back to stylist blah blah, my natural hair color is baby shit brown blah blah blah
Neg. If you have an abundance of girl things, you don’t need to think so hard about all this game theory.
My thought, talking to a girl, usually is something like … “Is it worth expending more energy into getting to know you, or is it time for me to leave and get fed by, massaged, and sexed on by … hm, let’s see, maybe Jessica. Or no, that Tiffany girl, massage school. Hmm, yea, or …”
Negs, good as training wheels. And then step it up past all this basic game talk and go for the Kaiser Soze strategy:
http://two.cedonulli.com/2011/09/it-was-all-your-idea/
Fantastic.
And fantastically useless the way its written.
Seduction is the art of contrived concealment. You want to seduce without revealing the machinery of your mind, or the purpose of your words. You introduce the dangerous idea, and if you are successful, she picks up the idea and joins you in her own seduction.
Inception
“In-her-face negs are really only suited for very hot girls (8s and above)”
For a reasonably good-looking guy, absolutely. An ugly dude would be smart to throw negs at 6s and 7s (and 8s and 9s…)
Actually, negs can so easily backfire that it’s preferable to use them with chicks who are radiating with bitchiness, independently from their hotness. Bitchiness should be the signal to activate asshole game (with negging as a choice weapon).
That’s for the pickup, playful teasing can be enough to fuck close.
But some degree of assholery should emerge during the relationship, even with more conventional cuties. Negs have to come into play, sooner or later.
One more category where opening with a neg can work well OR be a disaster- online game.
Heartiste,
Your message is spreading:
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2011/09/25/
Best discussion of negs I have read since the original mystery method. Examples are particularly good and avoid being offensive or contrived.
In fact, a lot of the Community-Standard negs only work in very specific circumstances. These are more general purpose.
Netflix kind of girl.
Winner.
Care to discuss the implications of that one for those of us not quite so naturally gifted, R?
she’s lonely
The “neg” is a powerful weapon in any gamer’s arsenal. I love using negs, but not to pick up or seduce or any of that lame bullshit. I just love to laugh at girls, punch through their bitch shields and push them off their pedestals.
You see, so many women, the majority in fact, are arrogant and narcissistic and often undeservedly so. All the typical woman has to do is get big and fat and guys still get on bended knee, kiss her ass and tell her how beautiful she is. A woman lives her life as if it were a Hans Christian Anderson fairytale – everything she does is perfect, regardless of how fat and ugly she is. I’ve even seen the ugliest and most repulsive women boast about being able to attract any guy they want or entering some beauty pageant.
This is why negging girls can be so psychologically devastating for them; women live their whole lives free of criticism because so many guys want to get in their pants. A woman lives her life wrapped in fantasy… that is, until I come along and punch a hole through that massive bitch shield of hers. I always ask the girl I’m negging if she’s having a baby and because the majority of women are overweight to big and fat, it’s a pretty easy neg to deliver. It works every time, like a charm almost. I’ve punctured so many bitch shields and even reduced females to tears. There’s no vice more obvious than the vice of gluttony. Point out that her stomach hangs over her pants and guaranteed that bitch will be on your ass like white on rice. I’ve had bitches giving me crazy stares all night after pointing out how big their asses are. There are many others, but the pregnancy neg is my favourite… it makes me laugh all the time.
That’s not a neg that’s an insult.
A great example of confusing negs with straight out insults. A neg may invoke gina tingles. None of what you have described will have that effect.
If someone called me modest I would take it as a sincere compliment. Same goes for humble, polite, calm, low-key, easy to approach, etc.
Maybe it’s a Southern thing.
So Anne, what is your SMV? Rhetorical.
~6 or less. “Modest.”
Not that it really matters, but you’re wrong. I am 5’6, 110 lbs, aryan, young, in-shape and have a .73 WTH ratio. But I suppose I’m used to a more conservative culture than most of CH’s readers. In the social circles I’m used to, a man calling an obviously-attractive girl “modest” it is an expression of serious interest that basically translates to “I think you’d be good wife material.”
pics or gtfo
Aryan? Fucking moron.
Don’t have a conniption fit. “Aryan” is a parsimonious way of describing someone of European descent who has pale skin, light hair, and light eyes. The term’s popularity among retarded white nationalists doesn’t make it any less valid as a physical descriptor than “Asian,” “Mediteranian,” or “East African.”
Netflix kind of girl! Fucking brilliant. There is just something so perfect about that one…
conservative
I would take care of anything that could resemble politics, at least for the first dates. Unless, obviously, you are in a political event.
The original Roissy seems to be back.
netflix kind of girl
what, pissing off all her admirers and splitting herself in two? yeah, a lot of girls are really good at that. 🙂
Really? I don’t think so….
Negs are best used as counters to her shit tests. She wants to shit test moi! bitch.. take that cunt.
“netflix kinda girl”
I love negs. They always work on the skankier girls.
Great post.
I used this to great effect with a girl who had been giving me IOI’s at my Latin dance class.
“You’re very serious about Latin aren’t you?”
Her: Yes…you think I’m too serious? etc etc
I just smiled…
Netflix kind of girl = Bring the movies
“…to eradicate anti-slut defenses and persuade her to open up… to you, the fearless judger of her feminine worth”
This is the essence of why the lines and, perhaps more importantly, the perspective that Roissy describes have such a powerful impact on women. Only high-status men have it in them to make judgements of any sort about other people, especially about attractive girls, and especially if said judgement is not necessarily positive. Judgement separates the guy who will nod, smile, and agree with everything she says from a real man.
Excellent post.
As some others mentioned, there is much misunderstanding about negs. Admittedly it took me some time to fully grasp their application and effectiveness. And overcome the common mistake thinking that “a neg is an insult.” It surely is not.
It is also important to mention that a neg is not always needed. That is also a misconception to think you have to neg.
A successful neg I’ve been using lately (usually on dates or in convo with a high compliance target.):
[Frame discussion around health/working out/diet etc]
You: it’s perfectly OK for a man to desire a healthy woman as his partner, eats right, stays healthy, has healthy waist-to-hip-ratio…”
Her: [hamster if full fucking overdrive]
The responses I get vary, however they almost always lead to an endless spew of her qualifying her “healthy” habits (sometimes while smoking a cigarette on her 4th cocktail of the hour.)
Other responses include:
“lol what is a waist to hip ratio. ” in which case I school her a little bit, use as excuse to touch her, show her wiki pedia page on WHR on my phone. Get those insecurities about her weight bubbling over the top.
“oh lol, I guess I’m not that healthy…lol” this being the self depricating type of response.
Try it out. Works well for me b/c I’m in shape.
Caveat: if you’re out of shape, hold the frame that you are aware and working on it if she throws it back at u.
I agree – subtle is better. The blatant ones are too easy to spot for a girl of even average intelligence.
And yes, keep her on the defensive wondering if she is good enough for YOU.
Damn right I read Roissy, Stingray. And Spearhead, and Oz, and others.
Damn good stuff here.
Negs are primarily an American construct. In most other cultures (particularly Aisa as well as much of South America) Neg’s are a big No-No
Besides hot Korean women, you would never want to neg a 1st generation Asian girl.
BUT for hot Asian American girls – Negs are absolutely necessary. As American born Asian women (9′s and 10′s) are some of the most self absorbed creatures on the planet. A product of their environment, no doubt. All this and more is covered in my Asian Seduction System
Its funny how what has a zero or negative effect on women elsewhere in the world – sends hot American women into a frenzy…
Whats necessary to be succesful in America – is irrelavent in other domiciles.
However, it’s great to see an article like this that explains an important but often misunderstood constuct of game.
Even after so many posts about game, players, alphas and POOAHS of all levels can still gain wisdom from this blog.
Nice post.
@Asian SS
Totally disagree, negs work on ALL women. I live in Hong Kong.
Negs work if not over-done and if done in a teasing manner.
They tend to produce a mixed, often hostile reaction from super hot Chinese women who see them as challenging or insulting.
But with Korean women, no, they usually have goood senses of humour. I just met a Korean flight attendant.
I negged her saying my flight was delayed, and what could she do about that…she laughed, said she’d look into it…broke the ice and we progressed from there.
It’s about tonality with Asian women who often tend to overly shit-test, and very often become pouty and childish which is a passive aggressive challenge to dominance.
THAT is hard to manage. But negs…absolutely essential.
This is all useful and extremely well-articulated.
Applies equally to LTRs.
being a member in good standing of the SWPL industrial complex.
That’s a good one. So is Sprinkle to taste.
You need to steal all the good stuff
you can get.
http://www.xtranormal.com/xtraplayr/12492226/aoefe-gets-out-of-prison
Speaking of negs
[Heartiste: You were in prison? Tell us about the pillow fights.]
You’ll have to watch the enitre aoefe goes to prison series (3 minutes total – but damn!) to see what happens. I don’t want to give away the ending but Roosh makes an appearance.
http://sexliestruth.blogspot.com/2011/09/aoefe-goes-to-prison.html
hey blondee wtf is up with your blog thingy
posting is now a pita
[Heartiste: You were in prison? Tell us about the pillow fights.]
she was in CANADIA prison – that’s where The Man punishes girleez
with house arrest – and only serving them
Butter Tarts
3 times a week. no biggee
@Asian Seduction System –> A.S.S.
Negs are primarily an American construct. In most other cultures (particularly Aisa as well as much of South America) Neg’s are a big No-No
Besides hot Korean women, you would never want to neg a 1st generation Asian girl.
I see your point in Korea; saying anything negative is usually seen as a direct assault on Face (no matter how watered down this concept is today in Korea), and is rarely done; a direct neg would radically disqualify you.
BUT
This doesn’t mean they don’t work. In fact, they tend to have a more nuclear effect. Women spend so much time bolstering their self-esteem in a society that values them largely just for their looks, it can seem like they’re naturally bitchy. But the truth is that even under the mask of intense self-admiration, they’re nervous wrecks. Korean society is savagely oppressive in one way: Everyone is constantly judging everyone else, evaluating them, and comparing themselves. If you neg, you need to cloak it in subtle admiration; complement something she obviously doesn’t value, and by *omission* leave out what she does. Downplay or ignore what she thinks she’s best at. Drop hints at how… Hard she obviously works in the morning to get ready to go to work, and how well it worked, … implying that she needs makeup and slimming dresses to look good. Be subtle.
It helps when you speak the language.
This is as good as gold in Korea. In China, it also works a treat, but in China it’s acceptable to throw out HARD banter with women you meet. The reason Beta Chinese guy think you need to be sweet is that Chinese women throw up a “sweet girl” facade whether it’s genuine or not; this is why many think Chinese women are so wholesome and decent. In fact, as many or more are slutty tarts as elsewhere: It’s an act. To bypass this, you can drop massively scathing banter once you establish some communication with a Chinese woman from mainland China. It needs to be tactfully delivered, but when you play the “proper” bad boy, Chinese women generally give in gleefully.
There’s a deep “female power” culture in urban China. Communism destroyed the family in China and did lots to liberate women – so affairs and sex are hot topics among women and if you’re outside their usual no-go zones, and seem discreet and of the right temperament, you can get even the nicest-seeming girls to distract themselves with you for a while.
Asian guys have this unfortunate view of Asian girls as pure, unsullied, and virginal; certainly, some are. Urban girls – definitely not. In Korea, multiple BFs and casual sex are virtually institutionalized; once you make the cultural adjustment, it’s relatively straightforward to tap into it. In China, it’s literally the Wild West for sex: a woman’s value for marriage is in how well-behaved she is, but they have 3000 years of pretending to be nice and sweet here.
I’ve seen the most tragic situations, where nice, utterly oblivious Chinese guys (often from overseas) fall hook, line and sinker for the “sweet little innocent girl” routine Chinese women wear as naturally as others wear hats. I’ve seen it and done it. Married women there’s no possible way anyone would suspect of fooling around have made phone calls from my bed. The change in their demeanor while on the phone is profound.
So Korea and China are fertile grounds for negs: it’s just that you have to deliver them in a culturally appropriate fashion, and you need to understand their full usefulness.
Negging an unattractive woman is still a guarantee of terror-flee. You need to be consistent and careful.
I know what ASS means, but as a white guy who adapted to local cultures pretty effectively, I have to say – dead wrong.
It’s all in the delivery. It’s all in the context.
But these industrial societies aren’t actually all that different from the US.
I never, ever fawn over hot women in Korea. The trick is to consider their looks meaningless – they know they’re hot, so you cant touch it. Go after their modesty, their lack of ambition (quite a tell in a society obsessed with social rank), their lack of modesty, their arrogance, their vanity (always a plus – works on so many levels), their physical feebleness or inability to endure even mild discomfort, etc.
But my personal experience: They’re *so* obsessed with not letting their plastic surgery secrets get out, the trick is always : never mention it. Fake tits? Be very oblique with negs. Eyes? Same. Nose? Don’t fucking touch it. If you even hint that their $10k surgery isn’t fucking brilliant, it will get you dropped.
Why? They feel a loss of respect and deep shame: They faked their appearance, meaning they were “ugly” before, and got caught. It’s “hand – in – the – cookie – jar”. The dump you partly because they got caught in their charade and feel ashamed in front of you.
That shame drives people away here, not just women. When you make a woman lose face, you need to be aware of the likely consequences.
Dropping negs without making her lose *face* (even with you) is the key. Hence, the much greater importance of plausible deniability in Korea or China.
Bear in mind China is very different.
But negs: when well-calculated and delivered, I’ve found they smash home like multiple warhead nuclear weapons. Smash that public ego and you’re suddenly
“Genuine, truth-seeing, real, not like all these blind stupid Chinese (Korean) guys.”
Also gives you huge relationship power.
Which goes to teach you:
Asian women are still… women.
Proof that Gorby ought to be teaching the seminars on Asia rather than the ASS dude.
While my experience with Asian women is limited to west coast of the USA, Gorb’s ideas & conceptsn are legit, and still very much apply to Fresh-off-the-Boat Asian women, or even to 2nd generation women. If they’ve still got an accent, they’re still subject to the cultural values of their homeland. Lots of 2nd generation girls in CA and elsewhere still have the linguistic traits of their homeland, since they learn engrish, and expected gender roles, from their parents, who are themselves ESL speakers who speak with a thick home-country brogue as they impart the values of the ‘innocent’ Asian woman.
@Gorb
The other thing to note, Chinese guys who do well with women in China, Taiwan, HK are either super betas…or guys who are so aloof they almost seem gay.
Super betas because many women see guys who come across as cocky and funny as players who are “over-confident”.
Beta provider game in Asia is important to avoid giving off the player vibe.
But it’s more about the “protector” component of attraction than beta backsliding.
But women here love and seek masculine men. The confidence without over-gaming is vital and a neg delivered with confidence is a vital ice-breaker.
Whether our not to neg a girl has to do with her self assessed value on relation to her perception of yours. Its like that old Chris Rock joke, where he talks about how broke people can talk all kind of shit to rich people about being rich, but a rich person talking shit to a poor person about being broke is an asshole.
The neg should be second nature. If you’re decently skilled, negs will just come out naturally in conversation, you won’t even think about them.
I have a friend who uses a particularly good neg on hot girls.
“I bet everyone thinks you’re a bitch, but I think you’re just putting up a front.”
You’re friends with Neil Strauss?
“At the end of the night she proved to me her bona fide immodesty with a streetlamp illuminated makeout”
Some we know would have gone as far as say “At the end of the night she proved to me her bona fide immodesty with a streetlamp illuminated blow-job”
Sometimes you sound like there’s some trace of closet romantic in there and really come close to looking for, finding and appreciating the most feminine and womanly of all women 🙂 This means her qualifying as whore material or one night stand isn’t exactly encouraged or to be desired.
[Heartiste: While streetside bjs are great, they aren’t nearly as frequent as streetside makeouts.]
Good stuff.
If you can be reasonably certain that she is (and style of dress, mannerism, the purchasing of an expensive deli tray at a high-end grocery store at 10am on a weekday provide considerable certainty), asking a pharmaceutical sales rep whom you’ve opened cold (and indirect) if she’s a pharmaceutical sales rep can be a very effective neg.
It’s a win-win, either she is and probably knows exactly how you were able to tell what she does for a living, which gives you attraction leading into rapport (she’s thinking ‘This guy knows the score and is savvy enough to be subtle’ and ‘He knows about me’), or she isn’t, in which case attraction may or may not be practical. If not, tell her it was nice talking to her and exit gracefully, you get to reject her.
But let’s be real, anyone who’s ever dated a pharmaceutical sales rep will pretty much know when there’s one standing in front of you at the deli counter…
Some other possible adjectives:
prudent
reliable
and
nappyheaded (just kidding…)
Did he just say what I think he said…..
At a family get together a late 60′s male (known for low social intelligence) complimented a late 80′s female whom he hadn’t seen in many months by saying in a genuine, sincere and complimentary tone…
“You look good, have you gained some weight?”
My jaw dropped to the floor and after a pregnant pause she thanked him for the compliment.
I still crack up when I think about it.
Not to be the devil’s advocate here but isn’t weight gain in the elderly a good thing? I think at a certain age a plump senior is more attractive than a stick figured one. Just sayin’.
What are some thoughts on gaming girls at work?
Off topic/ Maxim #13: When the love is gone, women can be as cold as if they had never known you:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/chris-soteriou-said-wife-vicky-watched-him-get-stabbed-by-her-lover/story-fn7x8me2-1226141863253
Gents, what are some of the basics of gaming a girl you work with?
Last two posts have been gold. Welcome back to the original author.
A lot of girls have heard of the game/PUA phenomenon and will talk about how they never fall for it. This isn’t always the hamster talking. They mean that they’ve experienced the jokey zinger approach and it didn’t work. These same girls are totally susceptible to the kind of game described at this blog.
Add to the list “particular”
Wow. Most of the comments directed to Neecy above seem like insults from third graders to the icky girl. I’m surprised to find them on this site, especially on the post about intelligent and subtle negs. I know you guys aren’t trying to fuck her, but still, it’s just weak.