Valentine’s Day is probably the one day of the year which presents special difficulties to the harem king attempting to juggle his multiple lovers. Birthdays and anniversaries are scattered and Christmas absences can be excused by claiming to spend time with family. But Valentine’s Day is that one day of the year that every girl in the known universe expects to be spending with the man who is laying intimately with her. So what does the Man With Multiple Lovers do on this most romantic of days?
I can tell you what the harem king doesn’t do: Tell the truth. There is some literature in the seduction community dealing with harem management (or “multiple long term relationships”) for truly advanced players, but what is counseled is something along the lines of 1. be honest, 2. reframe, and 3. be exceptionally high status. For most men, satisfying condition nmber 3 is unlikely, which is the most important variable in being able to successfully and *openly* manage multiple lovers. There is a reason that seduction community advice for handling MLTRs is so sparse and half-baked — it’s damned hard to do. The fact is that most successful players — alphas and greater betas alike — will lie out of expedience to enable the gravy train of multiple concurrent pussy to keep rolling. Honest and open MLTRs of the sort extolled by pickup instructors who are scared of being labeled misogynists are very rare. I estimate less than 0.5% of men can pull it off for longer than a few months. Eventually, one or more of the girls will tire of the arrangement and opt out, and it will usually be the highest quality [read: age 18- 25, BMI 17 – 23] concubine in his harem, because she is the one with the most options on the open sexual market.
As for reframing, yes, if your game is exceptional and your aloofness unshakeable, you can execute a smooth reframe with all your women and avoid lying to them about sleeping around. But I mean your game has to be tighter than an Asian chick’s virgin anus. And don’t expect it to last much beyond the four month mark. If you think kickass reframing will net you three hot, faithful, simultaneous long term girlfriends who dote on you for years, you need to come down to earth. Your game is not that good. Even pinnacle alpha males have trouble with this. You think Angelina Jolie would tolerate for long a second lover in Brad’s bed? Sure, she likely looks the other way at his dalliances (in much the same way Elin Woods ignored the evidence of Tiger’s blatant cheating for years until the dam burst), but Brad upholds his end of the bargain by LYING about those dalliances, either forthrightly or by omission. I’m assuming Brad is cheating, because the odds of a man of his status not cheating on a rapidly trannie-mogrifying wife like Jolie are infinitesimally low.
An alternative to psy-ops pimp-style harem management for successfully operating an open and honest MLTR is to relinquish your male prerogative as sole pussy possessor. If you state up front to your girls that your desire to bed a variety of women means it’s only natural you don’t place the same expectations of fidelity on them, you can amp up your aloofness game to maximum overload and actually pull off the coveted Open and Honest MLTR. Upside: You never have to worry about covering your tracks. (Roosh recently wrote a good post about track covering). Downside: You may be swimming in polluted vaj. The downside risk to this alternative is so anathema to the majority of men, that even if they have mentally rationalized their way to embracing the wonders of the open, polyamorous relationship, they will likely find it nearly impossible to control their emotions should they suspect one of their favored mistresses is fucking another man on the side. The god of biomechanics, the one true god, is not to be trifled with. This also explains why the denizens of professed polyamorous arrangements are usually ugly, fat, middle-aged hippies with greasy hair. When the grotesqueries you are banging are practically worthless in the sexual market, you don’t much care if they screw around. You aren’t losing much.
I don’t mean to be a complete downer on the concept of the open MLTR. There is a chance, not insignificant, that following the precepts of the open relationship by establishing early on with your women a very loose code of conduct could redound in your favor. Women aren’t linear in thought or action, so telling them they have the option to fuck on the side since that is what you will be doing does not mean that your women are actually going to follow through and fuck on the side. It could just as well result in them wondering in awe at your alphaness that you don’t care if your concubines “cheat” on you. This is aloofness game taken to the nth degree, and can often send the rationalization hamsters spinning so furiously that your multiple girlfriends won’t have the mental energy to expend seeking out additional male partners. They will instead spend their spare time analyzing the smallest details of your words and actions. Remember, too, that it is not in the nature of women to sleep with more than one man at a time, so the open relationship is often open in name only. What normally happens to open relationships is the primary (most attractive) girl bolts after a few months while the lesser girls squabble for sole rights to your time.
Which brings us back to Valentine’s Day. How does the man with multiple lovers deal with V-Day? Well, as I’ve amply demonstrated above, he doesn’t tell the truth. That would be sexual suicide for most men. He prefers not to blatantly lie either, not because of his tender concern for upholding a moral order in the universe, but because as a practical matter it’s hard to keep up with lies. And the inveterate player never lets his eye too far off the practical matters, even for men such as myself with a strong streak of romanticism. No, what he does instead is EVADE. And evasion is best accomplished through planning and foresight.
Let’s say you are currently banging three girls, rated 8, 7 and 5. You’ve been with the 8 for six months, the 7 for four months, and the 5 two months. (The 5 is your guaranteed booty call when you MUST BUST RIGHT NOW.) Obviously, the 8 is going to receive the bulk of your loving attention, and you will be most upset if she were the one to leave you. So you set up the official Valentine’s Day date with the 8. Plan to do the usual stuff with her — nice restaurant, flowers, charming flattery, wild sex. Two weeks before V-Day you call the 7 and tell her to make sure she keeps the weekend before Valentine’s Day free, because you are going to take her out and show her a good time. Then you call the 5 and tell her to be free a couple of days after V-Day. Why do you do this? By preemptively arranging dates with your lesser girls around Valentine’s Day, you buy yourself plausible exemption from having to spend time with them on V-Day itself. They will be so happy that you’re taking them out they won’t be too bothered by the fact that it’s not on Valentine’s Day. If they ask why you aren’t taking them out on V-Day (most girls won’t ask, as it would be an admission of their doubts about their worthiness to you), tell them you spend Valentine’s Day with your family. Or just say you’ll be out of town, so you wanted to see them before you leave. If the spirit moves you, have some flowers delivered to them on V-Day, which they will receive with warm smiles while you are blasting a glorious load in the face of your number one lover.
This is why I LOVE college. Took 7 out Saturday, then told her I had homework Sunday. Took 8 out Sunday. Though, because a college community is a little closer knit, it’s easier to get “caught.”
I was following a 2 girlfriend model until very recently. Each received equal amounts of attention and affection, and my life was filled with sex that always felt a little bit new and exciting.
This model failed for me, however, and I doubt I will reinvigorate the exercise. Reasons: sleep schedule suffered as I rarely slept in my own bed more than 4 times a week, random pickup sex suffered as my weekend nights were never more than 50% open, it was a huge financial burden, and the biggest problem with any relationship, boredom, surfaced after a time. Also, it was hard to get time with my buddies.
I do not see why this model is so attractive, unless a player is just looking for a challenge. Having a long term relationship with a girl you care for, then mitigating boredom through gratuitous cheating, is in my opinion much more sustainable and healthy.
speaking of harem-related matters…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_harem_bust
I like this, but even with flowers and a prearranged date before or after V-Day, the elephant in the room is still going to be, “So what did he do for Valentines Day, because he sure wasn’t with me.”
I’d go with the lie. “Work” always does the trick for me, because my hours are so weird and deadlines are serious. Another option is Dear Old Aunt Bessie’s birthday is on Valentines Day and it’s tradition to spend it with her. This carries risks, of course, but since it’s an excuse you use on the lesser girls, the consequences of getting caught aren’t that bad. And it’s unlikely you’ll still be with them a year later and need to remember the “Aunt Bessie” story.
You could also make an issue that you hate the exploitive nature of the holiday and refuse to participate on the day itself. You kinda have to be the idealistic college student type for this to work, though.
Ive been saying that for years Roissy. Glad Im not the only one.
“Having a long term relationship with a girl you care for, then mitigating boredom through gratuitous cheating, is in my opinion much more sustainable and healthy.”
Too true. But I am married so I have no choice. I have 2 “go to girls” on the side but am tiring of them. Time is scarce so my new, random sex is limited to business trips and maybe every other month when my wife spends the night at her parents house.
February is ski season. Take your number one honey on a ski trip on V-day and tell the rest its a yearly tradition with you and your buddies.
I see someone beat me to it but how did this guy do it?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6988614.ece
The MRA angle would be to go after beta Israeli men for trying to get a harem master arrested on trumped up charges because they were jealous.
Harems are unavoidable and they cure oneitis, but I recommend moving relationships with many 18-21 year olds whom you know aren’t marriage material into “Can I give you $200 to come over now” territory…if you can get away with that (and you would be surprised how many would be OK with that type of arrangement).
Obviously, the price goes down each time or the service level goes up with what I just suggested. It keeps the man from having to lie to more than one woman to maintain a harem. Obviously, the main squeeze or two whom you care about and might want to have kids with…you *must* lie to them, but the 19 year old who has two good years left and smokes, drinks and has a tatoo on her lower back? No need to lie to her.
You basically end up being totally honest to those you care about the least and a sociopathic liar to the ones you love. It has to be that way.
(most girls won’t ask, as it would be an admission of their doubts about their worthiness to you)
i.e. low self esteem. Roissy’s strategies net women with little confidence. Oooh! how sexy!
Aw, it’s been done before…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6988614.ece
… the Kirtland cult killings in Ohio, David Koresh and let’s not forget Jim Jones (who aslo brought us “drinking the Kool Aid” as a figure of speech).
To socons reading the above…the man doesn’t have to expose himself to any diseases with the unimportant partners and the important ones are assumed, mostly with great reason, to be totally loyal. First, by having an 8+ as his main gf, his choice of further harem partners are going to be healthy 8s, 9s or 10s (Roissy’s scenario doesn’t make sense – why would extra gfs be less good looking than the main squeeze? – usually the main squeeze is getting older so the harem additions are younger and better looking but not marriage material or someone you care about like the #1 woman)
Secondly, one can dry hump those in the outer solar system in order to maintain peace of mind that there will be no HPV or other infections destroying it all. Condom sex with no more than two 8+ women, dry hump the rest.
Tell the lessers that you do not celebrate your love for them on the 14th because everything is over-priced to take advantage of the holiday, and that commercializes the meaning so instead, you will take them out on the day next to it:
the 13th for the Silver Medal winner of your special olympics, the six inch hurdle, the 15th for the bronze medal winner, and the 14th for the gold medal winner.
Better still is to advise them that you have other women in your life, and if they have a problem with how you live your life, dump them. Why do you want women in your life who are not willing to meet your needs?
I never took the MLTR thing to mean that it was possible for most guys to have multiple serious girlfriends at once, but it is relatively easy to have multiple long-term hookups once you adopt the right mindset. they tend not to last more than a few months, but that sounds about the right amount of time to me.
why would any guy want more than one serious girlfriend? it’s like those guys who have two families… how is that enjoyable?
Roissy I’m surprised you acknowledge Valentines Day.
“Nice restaurant, flowers, charming flattery” …
Seriously? Is this a level?
Secondly, you continue to say it’s not in a woman’s nature to sleep with more than one man at a time.
I think this might be a pretty lie you tell yourself. If it’s not in their nature, why are they such habitual cheaters?
Just about every ex-g/f I’ve had remained in contact in a way that she could get pounded when her b/f was putting her feet to sleep.
“Remember, too, that it is not in the nature of women to sleep with more than one man at a time, so the open relationship is often open in name only.”
This is only true if the guy she is banging is sufficiently alpha. If not, she will be riding another pole in no time flat.
That’s why MY harem consists of thirty-something 200+-pound sex goddess porkers. They don’t complain, or if they do, they get cast off. They screw like wildcats and there are LOTS of them.
Low-hanging fruit? Sure, but I like variety and enthusiasm.
“Downside: You may be swimming in polluted vaj.”
That’s always a possible downside in the US.
Lot’s of truth to this:
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Ponto
I was following a 2 girlfriend model until very recently. Each received equal amounts of attention and affection, and my life was filled with sex that always felt a little bit new and exciting.
This model failed for me, however, and I doubt I will reinvigorate the exercise. Reasons: sleep schedule suffered as I rarely slept in my own bed more than 4 times a week, random pickup sex suffered as my weekend nights were never more than 50% open, it was a huge financial burden, and the biggest problem with any relationship, boredom, surfaced after a time. Also, it was hard to get time with my buddies.
I do not see why this model is so attractive, unless a player is just looking for a challenge. Having a long term relationship with a girl you care for, then mitigating boredom through gratuitous cheating, is in my opinion much more sustainable and healthy.
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I think much of my desire to have multiple women really comes from a need to feed the ego. There is something animalistic and egocentric about bedding different women on different nights. It’s a feeling only a man can explain.
But yea – after a while, the need for stability does wash over your desire to stick your penis in multiple vaginas over a long weekend.
Cheating could very well be the best course of action.
Harem Management is the bane, and calling, of any true higher alpha. I have managed MLTRs for years, with quality women and without too much pain and problems. I suggest a few pointers for anyone looking to get into advanced MLTRs (which I recommend but only to the best pussy managers who possess nerves of steel and a lust for adventure as much as for pussy):
1. Lie only as much as needed and keep your lies as similar as possible (ie tell close versions of the same lie to multiple girls) so you remember them.
2. Have a job where sudden, unexplained absences are routine, and bitching about it is not tolerated.
3. Fuck them ALL well: they will complain a lot less about the missing weekends and unsent flowers.
4. Never have 2 harem members in the same town or neighborhood – that’s just stupid and asking for disaster.
5. Spread the girls out a bit geographically to avoid problems on logistics.
6. Learn the basics of surveillance and countersurveillance, as well as some other essential 007-ish skills for the Harem Boss.
7. If it all goes tits up and you’ve got a COPS incident on your hands – this will eventually happen, I promise, nobody’s luck is perfect forever – be cool like Fonzie and let them sort it out. As a corollary, always compartment your bitch ops so that a bad incident results in 2 girls being lost potentially, but never more than 2. Usually, at least one will stay, sometimes both. Never endanger the harem you’ve built so carefully over a misplaced booty call.
Do these things, and MLTRs will be easy. Obviously, if you can’t handle stress and don’t love the occasional just-fuck-it adrenaline rush, stick to one bitch at a time.
I have run 4-5 women in MLTRs for years, with periodic rotation of vaginas, without ever losing life, limb, or public image; actually, I am a god to my buddies for this. Needless to add, they must be faithful (and almost always are); they seldom ask me things they don’t really want the answer to, so lying about “big questions” is very rarely required.
And I just survived V-Day intact — did 3 women over the long weekend, got 3 more to service this week.
Life is good …
the romance of this and roosh’s posts are truly impeccable.
Maybe its just me, but from a logistics and time management perspective, 2 girls is manageable, 3 is considerably more difficult. If you’re boning three women, one of them has be nothing more than a booty call – i.e. near zero time investment.
I’ve found that two concurrent girls strikes the right balance between pussy variety and required effort as well as allows free time to spend with buddies, working out, extra curriculars as well as going out searching for other women. When the less desirable one fades out (or one of the relationships blows up) plug a new one in.
The only times I’ve maintained three girls simultaneously is when they were all three high quality (8′s & 9′s). I didnt want to sacrifice any of them. But that situation is unsustainable. My workout routine suffered, had little time for other pursuits, and I spent a shitload of money. Plus I would sometimes confuse details between the girls and come close to outing myself. Additionally, the high quality girls wont put up with as much cad behavior, so you’re better off not spreading yourself too thin.
2 is the right number… at least for me.
I would’ve preferred a little more on the actual LIES. The theory behind not admitting to anything to anything is very well covered in other articles on this and other blogs, but the originality and quality of the lies is what I was REALLY looking forward to.
Also, i would’ve been nice if Roissy covered other scenarios… What if, as it actually happened to me yesterday, one of your girls asks you AFTER the fact what you ended up doing? How do you reframe with the least amount of consequence, etc…?
And now for a nice V-day related revenge story:
From Reddit.
The story:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/b0u31/reddit_i_have_proof_she_cheated_on_me_and_need_a/
The revenge:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/b2ayj/i_caught_her_cheating_and_got_revenge_on/
Pretty decent way of handling a cheater.
@ Luke
Nice links! Somebody pin a medal on that guy—he’s a hero for men everywhere.
The idea that she will walk around for months with his cum on her face is just effing incredible.
While we’re at posting reddit links:
http://brianschofertheemotionlessengineer.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html
[QUOTE]I think this might be a pretty lie you tell yourself. If it’s not in their nature, why are they such habitual cheaters? [/QUOTE]
They aren’t. They are habitual opportunists. Cheaters will take any dick that offers. Very few of those around.
But, a woman is as faithful as her options. A better man comes around, and she will probably cheat. The only thing that stops them when somethign better comes along is their conscience.
“The only thing that stops them when somethign better comes along is their conscience.”
You said it. Morals bow before ‘gina tingle. Commitment, integrity? F*ck that, they’re trading-up.
”””’He prefers not to blatantly lie either, not because of his tender concern for upholding a moral order in the universe, but because as a practical matter it’s hard to keep up with lies. ”””””’
lol true it is easier because llies beget lies.
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Lawrence of Albany
That’s why MY harem consists of thirty-something 200+-pound sex goddess porkers. They don’t complain, or if they do, they get cast off. They screw like wildcats and there are LOTS of them.
Low-hanging fruit? Sure, but I like variety and enthusiasm.
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Either you’re joking, or you’re the reframing world champion. I think the former, but I can’t be too sure.
Please do not say “the n-word” as it has become offensive, just like the word “negro.” Instead say “the nigger-word”.
Also please do not call people “Jews”, as it is very racist. Unless this label is warranted by the subject’s stinginess, repellent features, or poor manners/gaucheness. Instead, when referring to ethnic Jews, please refer to them as “the wandering undesirables” or “high functioning gypsies”.
Tell them(the lesser girls) you spend Valentines day with your family? How many girls are really THAT stupid?
A few things.
[quote]anonymous
(most girls won’t ask, as it would be an admission of their doubts about their worthiness to you)
i.e. low self esteem. Roissy’s strategies net women with little confidence. Oooh! how sexy![/quote]
Self esteem isn’t a static thing. It’s continuously re-evaluated, and–just like esteem of others–is based on incessant judgments of what is perceived. I’d argue that women who are susceptible to game (nearly all Western women) perceive the low value they represent to a man. Men want wives. Therefore, sluts, uh, Western women, are of little value.
[quote]He prefers not to blatantly lie either, not because of his tender concern for upholding a moral order in the universe, but because as a practical matter it’s hard to keep up with lies[/quote]
Another way of saying this is: The the moral order is real, and inescapable. Like the imperative to not be sluts if you want to be treated like a wife, or Roissy’s recognition that lack of love and childlessness are the ultimate expressions of betaness; the moral order persists whether it is upheld or not.
“Tell them(the lesser girls) you spend Valentines day with your family? How many girls are really THAT stupid?”
I can think of two…..
The Consolidated 55 (& counting) Maxims of Roissy (2-16-2010):
Roissy Maxim #2: Women are turned on by displays of male power. Striking in anger or contempt or disciplinary scorn is one such form of power.
Roissy Maxim #3: Whenever an attractive girl tells you she hates assholes, or describes her experience in the past dating assholes and claims to avoid them now, or recites a laundry list of asshole-y things guys do that she disapproves of, you can bet your weight in gold bricks that she needs you to be an asshole to her.
Roissy maxim #4 in a series: Trust no one missing a sense of humor.(1st posted)
Roissy Maxim #6: Never Make It Easy For A Girl
Triple Post with Corollary:
Roissy Maxim #7: Your girl will thank you for your steadfast devotion to your belief in yourself
Roissy Maxim #7: The sweeter and more innocent a girl seems, the greater the likelihood she has been in a gangbang.
Corollary: Always assume she is a whore. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.
Roissy Maxim #7: The greater the age difference between the older man and the younger woman, the tighter his game will need to be, barring compensatory attributes.
Roissy Maxim #8: Marriage is a social mechanism designed to exchange sex for indentured servitude.
Roissy Maxim #10: It’s pussy wetness uber alles.
Roissy Maxim #11: The greater the sexual market value disparity between the husband and his depreciating wife, and the more kids they have, the more life the husband has sucked out of him.
Roissy Maxim #12: If you are comfortable with your game being splashed across a JumboTron for thousands of people to read, then you are doing it right.
Triple post:
Roissy Maxim #13: Calling a girl out on her lie accomplishes nothing.
Roissy Maxim #13: When the love is gone, women can be as cold as if they had never known you.
Roissy Maxim #13: When in doubt, game.
Roissy Maxim #15: Female cultural equality = male dating inequality. Female cultural inequality = male dating equality. You cannot have both. So sayeth human nature.
Roissy Maxim #17: Be narcissistic. There is no greater divergence than that between a woman’s stated disapproval of male narcissism and the rapidity with which she jumps into bed with a male narcissist.
Roissy Maxim #18: The two fundamental propositions upon which all game theory rests are male choosiness and female abundance. All alpha males have these two mindsets in common.
Corollary to the above: Male choosiness and female abundance do not necessarily have to be true for the strategy of behaving as if they are true to be effective at seducing women.
Roissy Maxim #19: The alpha male thinks and acts more like a woman than a man in matters of seduction. He understands his adversary’s psychology, and uses it to shatter her defenses.
Roissy Maxim #20: The gina tingle is the principal moral code to which women subscribe. All other moral considerations pale in comparison.
Roissy Maxim #21: Never talk about getting into a relationship even if the girl says that’s what she’s looking for.
Roissy Maxim #25: Withholding sex is the tactic of a woman who has already lost. It is mutually assured destruction.
Roissy Maxim #26: If a woman says the word “sex” in conversation with you or about you, no matter the context, it means she’s thinking about having sex with you.
Double Post:
Roissy Maxim #27: Pussies are more pliable in the company of competing pussy.
Roissy Maxim #27: You have to make marriage an attractive alternative for MEN — not women — if you want the institution to thrive.
Roissy Maxim #30: When in doubt, ask yourself “WWJD?” What Would a Jerk Do? Then do that.
Roissy Maxim #33: NO girl wants to be thought she isn’t a special little snowflake.
Double Post:
Roissy Maxim #39: Never tell a girl how much you make, even if you’re loaded. In case of marriage, keep separate accounts.
Roissy Maxim #39: If you want a wife stay clear of investing much in girls who constantly remind you they like to have “fun fun fun” and “get bored easily”.
Single Post with Corollary
Roissy Maxim #41: The more experience you have with women, the more you’ll know which women have experience with men.
Corollary to #41: It is the inexperienced beta male who is most often in the dark about a woman’s sexual history and liable to be victimized by the cheating slut.
Roissy Maxim #42: Xenophobia is good for diversity.
Roissy Maxim #44: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.
Roissy Maxim #49: If you plan on cheating and get caught, act like a total dick who did nothing wrong. Your girlfriend will then wonder if it’s something she did.
Roissy Maxim #51: Commanding women to do your bidding will give you a bigger beta margin of error.
Roissy Maxim #52: Girls need to test men for their grace under pressure.
Roissy Maxim #55: If she’s hot, why would she bother with online dating?
Double Post:
Roissy Maxim #59: High IQ is no inoculation against beta delusion. If anything, high IQ obstructs clear thinking about women’s nature.
Roissy Maxim #59: The longer you are away from seducing new women, the harder it will be to seduce one when you want.
Double Post:
Roissy Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.
Roissy Maxim #66: As men are becoming ever bigger pussies and betas in their dealings with women, they are losing the leverage to shape and push women’s child-like and selfishly amoral political opinions in logical, just and long-term oriented directions.
Roissy Maxim #68: The definition of Inner Game: Hit on every woman who stimulates your crotch. Make life uncomfortable for them, not yourself.
Double Post:
Roissy Maxim # 71: When a girl signals that she doesn’t enjoy blowjobs or sex, do not spend one second more with her. Your libido is too important to gamble on such a girl.
Roissy Maxim #71: In their sexual primes women’s attraction for assholes is at its strongest. You can catch a lot of hungry flies with honey, but shit attracts the most well-fed flies.
Roissy Maxim #75: If you get sexually rejected, don’t admit it to yourself, and especially don’t admit it to the girl.
Roissy Maxim #77: Women will screech louder the closer your words get to damaging or exposing vulnerabilities in their sexual market value.
Roissy Maxim #81: Whenever you hear or read the words “gender”, “gendered”, “gendered norm”, “subtle gender bias”, or “increasingly egalitarian, yet there remains…” know that you are dealing with a leftwing equalist, blank-slate believing fruitcake who cannot deal with the fact that men and women are biologically different from birth.
Roissy Maxim #83: Awareness of a woman’s games is a precision-guided weapon in a man’s arsenal of seduction. Slyly revealing your knowledge of a woman’s obstructive game tactics is like catnip to her pussy.
Roissy Maxim #84: Respect the momentum.
Roissy Maxim #93: The rare older woman-younger man pairing is like a lab experiment gone wrong. It violates the natural order of things, and leaves its practitioners emotionally twisted and in a constant mental race to hyperrationalize their subpar mate choice.
Single Post with Corollary:
Roissy Maxim #98: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.
Corollary to Maxim #98: Singleness is no guarantee of full sexual market participation.
Roissy Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.
Single Post with Corollary:
Roissy Maxim #328: Underneath the veneer of civilized discourse we act in ways that are brazenly self-interested in the short term.
Roissy Addendum #328a: Seeking short term status is a matter of self-interest.
Double Post with Corollary
Roissy Maxim #666: All kneel before the god of biomechanics, by sword or by surrender.
Roissy Maxim #666: When a woman has incentive to lie, she will choose lying over honesty EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Roissy Corollary to Maxim #666: Treat woman like Soviet Russia — Trust but verify.
Roissy Maxim #856: Swear by the HipandCooter oath: First, use no logic.
Highest Maxim Post#:
Roissy Maxim #2008: Socialists gain when single women who refuse to settle vote. They lose when single women forget to vote on their way to the mall.
Run for your Life Shit Tests:
BEWARE the classic gun-to-the-head marriage pressure administered by your typical non-descript, rudderless late 20’s/early 30’s woman.
When a woman pressures you mercilessly to marry her, bullying to the point of threatening a break up – this is the shit test of ALL shit tests. Treat it as such – If you fail this shit test, you are RUINED. FOR…LIFE..
The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon
by Roissy
http://roissy.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/
I. Never say ‘I Love You’ first
II. Make her jealous
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
IV. Don’t play by her rules
V. Adhere to the golden ratio
VI. Keep her guessing
VII. Always keep two in the kitty
VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary
IX. Connect with her emotions
X. Ignore her beauty
XI. Be irrationally self-confident
XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses
XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little
XIV. Fuck her good
XV. Maintain your state control
XVI. Never be afraid to lose her
The difficulty is that unless one is very well-organised or very motivated, harem management must be quite literally a full-time job. The primary difficulty, for a harem master based in a city, and not travelling much in the course of his job would seem to be geographical/spatial rather than temporal. There’s room for a fuller post on how to avoid running into harem member 1 when out on the town with harem member 2 and vice versa. Presumably the solution is to select harem members for differing interests and backgrounds. Variety is the spice of life in the harem as elsewhere.
Another way to get out of a Valentines day date is to say you’re spending it with your mom because she just turned 55 or 60 or some other round number.
Thought demons like urself didn’t have a romantic streak in ur soul.
I have been lying constantly since 5. Now I can do it without guilt and precision. Goes back to the concept of faking till you believe it and practice makes perfect.
Denying is a very powerful tool in cheating.
Been reading here last couple weeks..enjoy the blog .. would like to share a bit..
1) I don’t do Valentines Day, Christmas, Easter, New Years or any other rote crap thrusted on me by tradition, society, religion, marketing department or guilt ..unless I happen to enjoy that particular exercise in life deadening non spontainety.
2) I attract in like minded-feeling women that are willing to play the game of life by my rules … these rules happen to be fair, simple honest and most of all life affirming.
3) I am able to attract in high quality women of all ages sizes, colors and shapes…and enjoy most of them with few exceptions …because I take them seriously..all of them ..thoughts, moods, dreams, hopes and imperfections ..all of it.
4) I dont believe it my responsibility to help them, fix them, lift them up, teach them, change them, or manipulate them. I let them live their lives ..and I live mine. My boundaries are seldom crossed for long and almost never without my concious understanding and acceptance. This is the price you pay for being strong and clear. The people you share your life deserve your honest care, attention and good intentions. To become strong and clear ..you look at yourself ..RUTHLESSLY..your motives ..smallness pettiness weaknesses ..completely. And then act appropriately on what you see.
5) I have achieved this by trial and error..through a simple observation of my life in my teens and 20′s… during this time there was much flailing around..full of energy, good spirits and intentions. Yet always constant mixed results as I did not have a book how to be a man..let alone a happy man.
However, I noticed when I conducted myself with confidence ..I was able to create my world the way I wanted..even though I was only a kid. When my mood or circumstances changed and I was not feeling confident ..obviously my life felt like ..at best controlled boredom bouncing towards managed misery.
That became the key for me ..complete unshakeable deep rooted nothing could change it, no outside circumstances bad news good news..it was always..confidence. I wanted to own it.
I am 5′ 5” probably considered a 6 in your ratings and have a noticeable speech impediment ..I have dated every girl on the scale from 1 -10 and some I rated 20′s ..because their incredible genetics were matched by character, charm intelligence and femininty.
From my experience ..once you reach a certain number of sexual partners and for each man it is different ..could be 5 50 500 ..whatever ..you appreciate quality more than quantity. And that quality is seldom connected to the so called looks of the women. Unless you yourself remain shallow and immature.
I have made every mistake possible in my life and with women… and now I judge the success of my relationships on two things ..first I do know harm ..second I leave the woman better, happier, lighter more creative and fulfilled than when I met her. Why? Because I am happy with or without ..her. She is not my world… even if she is my wife.
I am able to do this because I do not need anything from her ..I am complete happy full. Also I am honest, do not lie do not need to game her in to bed..and am willing to be alone..in fact quite happy as I do my best work that way and possibly stay alone ..sometimes for months…
The truth is I never do have to stay alone ..as somehow another woman comes into my life without me even trying.
Just learn to become confident..be clear and aware know your boundaries and you can be yourself ..it works.
However I recognize that the American singles scene is unhealthy and toxic.. my point is if you become healthy, non toxic and confident you can have your choice of women. ..But US woman in general requires to much work.
A great book to read about an interesting man is Elia Kazan’s autobiography …A Life ..
This site is brilliant–truly. I can scarcely remember ever having such a shattering epiphany. My thanks.
“Remember, too, that it is not in the nature of women to sleep with more than one man at a time”
is true assuming the one man satisfies the woman both physically and emotionally. Otherwise she will wander looking to for what she is missing.
As a half Ukrainian woman, I rarely have anything positive to say about Eastern European men, but, that Alexei Yagudin, if its possible to be alpha male with a mullet, scruffy facial hair and while wearing a flamingly gay sparkly skating costume,,,he somehow manages to do it!!
Budmo!
Here is what I see in the last paragraph:
Man with overblown ego has banged three girls who are surely getting plowed when he isn’t around to keep tabs. If we believe that anonymous story-telling tends to skew the story into a well-crafted mythology, we can assume that:
The 8 is only 8 when he’s drinking, the 7 is a 6 in well-photographed pictures, and none of his friends have ever met 5–not because she doesn’t exist, but because she is hot like a moped.
(Unlike Tucker Max, Roissy never shows us himself with his women, so I suppose we will never know if he’s legit or not. But if we have a look at pics of even the Great Tucker Max’s choice of “fine women”, we see that they are not so fine, even in pictures. At least not by my standards.)
In comic books, the hero almost always wins. In real life, well, let’s see what happens…
On Valentine’s Day (that inescapable cultural mandate to “be here now”), our man with the overblown ego bullshits 5 with one of the lame–and by lame, I mean borderline retarded–excuses found at the bottom of Roissy’s post. And so she finds some random dickhead at the bar to comfort her broken heart. But don’t sweat it–all players end up churning butter at one time or another (much more often than they’d like to imagine).
He took the 6-in-pics out that weekend. They had a fantastic time, as she was fantasizing about her last boyfriend–the one that she truly loved–as our man with the over-blown ego blows. 8 tried to call a few times during this escapade to puncture the over-blown ego with the news that her grandmother is sick, she needs to be near her. He doesn’t talk to her until the day after Valentine’s Day. Her story is airtight…
Our over-blown ego ends up spending Valentine’s Day lying on the stains left by 6-in-pics, thinking of ways he can overcompensate for his loss of control over the Universe…
He creates a blog post fantasy world for a readers who need a hero.
He counsels them to lie–yet they believe he’s going to tell the truth while posting anonymously.
He counsels them to be strong and confident–even as he tells them that they should “keep two in the kitty”, not to satisfy sexual lust, but as a buffer to their insecurities.
He claims that his (supposed) quantities of sexual experience have made him whole–yet his writing belies the sexual maturity of a beardless twenty-year old.
He portrays himself as the demi-god of ladykillers–and yet he has time to create this quasi-fictitious fratboy-dreamscape online.
My suspicion is that anonymity has created ample space for Egos Gone Wild. But then, I could be wrong. Most people with tons of ladies around spend a lot of time blogging.
Many of you surely consider yourselves to be skeptical thinkers. Yet you sound like parroting religious followers or head-over-heels Trekkies in the presence of Kurt himself.
If you are truly thoughtful, display your ability to think. Impress me.
[editor: hm. i’m trying to figure out which ex of mine you are. the 5?]
The best thing about that Reddit link is all the white knighters trying to make her out to be victim who must have done what she did because he was such an asshole.
He should have hate fucked her, hard, before dinner and just left saying he didn’t feel like going out after all.
“They will instead spend their spare time analyzing the smallest details of your words and actions”
True that. Universal human trait when people are in love and are afraid its slipping away. They will over-analyze looking for clues. Its a sad thing really, for both sexes.
I find Ari Hinkelberger’s comments above interesting, and I’d like to see more discussion on this issue:
“I think much of my desire to have multiple women really comes from a need to feed the ego. There is something animalistic and egocentric about bedding different women on different nights. It’s a feeling only a man can explain.”
And Roissy himself has alluded to this too:
“Roissy Maxim #17: Be narcissistic. There is no greater divergence than that between a woman’s stated disapproval of male narcissism and the rapidity with which she jumps into bed with a male narcissist.”
Narcissistic personality disorder is a federally recognised (DSM-IV-TR) mental illness. I wonder how many uber-alphas would actually be classified as having this condition? Check it out on wikipedia and compare it to alpha behaviour – plenty of interesting parallels there.
“is true assuming the one man satisfies the woman both physically and emotionally. Otherwise she will wander looking to for what she is missing.”
It’s not only true, but the woman will suffer terribly because of it. She will not understand why she is unhappy, why she’s come to despise a perfectly decent man she once liked. She will assume the defect lies with her. If this cycle repeats itself enough she will come to loathe herself.
Real men do not participate in anything more than receiving a blowjob on Valentine’s day. We explain to the money grubbing whores that surround us that we are too good for manufactured bullshit ‘holidays’.
For a real devotee of edge-work, nothing beats the mother-daughter thing for high adrenaline mltrs.
The daughter will look hotter naked but her mom will be about 10 times more desperate to please. It is just how god designed these things. You can count on it.
The weird thing is, both of them will have such a deep need to not know what is really happening that you are lucky you will rarely even be asked to lie.
“Lawrence of Albany
That’s why MY harem consists of thirty-something 200+-pound sex goddess porkers. They don’t complain, or if they do, they get cast off. They screw like wildcats and there are LOTS of them.
Low-hanging fruit? Sure, but I like variety and enthusiasm.”
This is fucking gold. And funny! Most readers of this blog should heed your advice, bro. Get what you can, and get it vocal and spirited. It’s not my thing, but I can relate.
You of the he-man US-women-haters club need to move out of the city and find an old-fashioned country girl. Not one that was raised there, but one that moved there by choice, to get away from all the assholes in the city. Many of them are decent, principled, intelligent and not needy.
Very effective.
It is supremely important that everybody is happy. Pareto superior. The luckiest person is the one who manages to be fooled lovingly for life. Unfortunately, that usually requires a lot of effort on the lover’s part. Most people are not willing to throw in that much effort.
The problem with the guy who dumped his girl on Val day was he was angry. Revenge is better when you are cooled off. But, he was too angry and hurt. We have all been there.
He is young, and had invested years in this girl. This experience should teach him a good lesson. When you are emotionally entangled with a woman, this situation is devastating. So, the lessons are clear.
If he even thinks about marriage before age 40 after this experience he is an asshole. If he ever thinks any woman is “special”, it is time to move on.
He is very lucky he found out the truth BEFORE the marriage and the bastard kid he would be paying child support for. He is one lucky guy.
Why any young man thinks about getting married is simply a measure of the inexperience of youth.
This thread discussed this issue around Xmas last year:
http://www.after-hours-japan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1051&p=13481
[i]“Events like Xmas, your birthday and Valentines Day really fuck you up. So putting these aside, I’d say it is possible to have 10 girls on the go, assuming you have no other committments or hobbies competing for your time.
“On the go” however doesn’t mean you are fucking all 10. Most likely you are fucking about four, have one or two girls you could call up whenever for some sex, and are working on another four.
This is the setup I have at the moment; My dick has been in six different girls’ wetness since I got back from Hong Kong two weeks ago, although none of them were new lays. To be honest, it’s too much, and I’ll be cutting back a bit when I get back from Australia (one got cut two nights ago). The most I have ever had is seven plus a number of on-the-gos, six years ago. I took two weeks off work just to service them all, before cutting a few of them loose. The pattern was lunch date, sex, dinner, sex. My sheets were a juice-stained battlefield.
The main difference this time is that I don’t have any one girl who I consider more special than the others. This keeps me sane, because I have no trouble telling the others that no I can’t meet them this week.
And you’re right, it gets expensive. “[/i]
“trannie-mogrifying Jolie”.
Oh god that’s awful! Say it isn’t so!!!!
🙁
(I haven’t seen a recent pic of her in quite a while)
I am reminded of this Doug Stanhope quote, which will resonate with your Roissy :
“Valentines is a sting operation to catch shallow whores thinking they’re owed something.”
As I said above, harems often happen because a man has grown out of wanting to have sex with his main squeeze but still loves and adores her. He will have been smart enough to have found a reason to move to another city while she had to stay in the original city – freeing up one’s own space is critical – but he cannot emotionally cut the cord and she really doesn’t want that to happen either (although she might suspect subconsciously what is going on, she can hold onto the rational explanation that he got a job in the other city).
Usually he ends up with a local main squeeze who is marriage material…but, once he sees how easy it is to have MLTR, he gets hooked and things expand.
BTW, can someone go on Twitter and get @CharmingRogue to read Roissy and to start paying more attention to the MRAs on Twitter (Men’s Rights Advocates).
Let’s see more content regarding what to do about your cell phone logs, etc. My advice is to have a strict rule that looking at my cell phone sideways is a huge betrayal of trust. Still, before being with my main squeeze, I often prudently delete cutesy messages with other women.
Plus I have to shut the phone off when I am with her for awhile because I might look too popular after awhile.
My Valentine’s Day weekend was dominated by my main local squeeze taking up almost the entire weekend (thankfully her father – she is a 24 year old 8 – requires her to be home by Midnight). When I had my first break, as Valentine’s Day itself started, I checked with horror my text and voice logs. It turns out that a female stalker whom I had allowed to see me if she brings along a friend had been trying to reach me for 8 hours because my favorite 18 year old 10 friend of hers wanted to come over to play CFNM. This shows the huge OPPORTUNITY COST of spending too much time with one woman.
I also had another text from a neighbor 18 year old. I called her and she said she wanted to borrow $20 (thank God for the financial crisis). I said “Why just $20, I’ll give you $200 if you come over now and, through my jeans, help me get satisfied with your hands”. She said “just through your pants right?”. I said yes. She came over. The pants were super thin pajama pants (we forgot the concept of jeans). I still had to tell her “let go” when finished. Then she said “Don’t tell your girlfriend” who is also a neighbor she knows. Women luckily keep secrets from each other. The idea of female solidarity is a radical US feminist concept.
All in all, I cannot see how any man can be married. I am already a senior citizen and I still do not see any reason to do so. The theme of the film “Up in the Air” is so BOGUS. George Clooney is clearly doing as well as or better than I am.
For alpha male there is no talk, only do.
Pupu writes:-
“The luckiest person is the one who manages to be fooled lovingly for life. Unfortunately, that usually requires a lot of effort on the lover’s part. Most people are not willing to throw in that much effort.”
Pupu, I’d add to this that joint effort has to be put in by both parties to the relationship, one party putting effort into the fooling and the other putting effort into allowing themselves to be fooled e.g. by turning a blind eye. Particularly in a constrained geographical area, where even a minimum of enquiry will unearth the true position. It’s worth considering whether or not the statement “love is blind” was originally intended as a mantra rather than a statement of fact. Sometimes it’s best not to dig too deep.
Do or do not do, there is no try.
–Yoda
Regarding the statement that the youngest, most beautiful tends to be the first to leave a harem: this is true and it needs an MRA solution – or at least this is why PUA and MRA need to work in tandem.
Some effort, maybe funded by a billionaire or just tends of thousands of guys using Twitter, Facebook, Google Buzz and forums like this, needs to be expended to make sure feminism doesn’t keep convincing the youngest and most beautiful that they have all the time in the world to pursue perfection and, therefore, quickly leave when they realize they are in a harem.
AOL is supporting the LemonDrop.com blog edited by 30 something women who hate older men and date younger men — and actively advise women to do the same. This general cultural bullshit can, on a micro level, help the best member of your harem (youngest) to decide she won’t put up with your arrangement…even if she only has a vague idea that it might be going on.
I don’t think it is about ego but about the universal desire to have sex with gorgeous women of slightly different shape and smell.
The MRA angle on that federal code is that feminists can and will get men imprisoned, hospitalized or regulated for this behavior, using Congress or the courts or both.
Not funny how Tiger Woods has to be treated for “sex addiction” for this (you can say he does not HAVE to do this but the intricacies of what he may have to do to avoid legal problems may be such that he HAS to).
IMBRA was upheld in a lower federal court because of testimony that men who date younger women need to “control” their victims and men who date Asians and Russians tend to date much younger women.
Polygamist groups are persecuted by both political parties in the USA – both parties run by older jealous women who do not want younger hotties added to harems.
The Israelis just admitted to having tried to “convince” a woman in a harem that she had been “raped”.
The feminists in the Israeli Knesset are trying to stop the govt from removing visa requirements for Eastern European women to Israel…saying that “Human Trafficking” will increase – which translates into “We don’t want our husbands and older Israeli males getting gorgeous young women from Eastern Europes living with them directly or on the side.”
This is why every serious PUA needs to be an MRA. They are literally trying to take our rights to the good life away.
I forgot to add “” to “victims” above. Note that IMBRA was also upheld by a judge who said “there is no fundamental liberty interest in an American contacting a foreigner for an intimate relationship”.
Also…it is also not about ego that we have harems because of what I said above about a man not wanting to reject his older gfs because he really might love them and love being with them…but he needs fresh lovers as well out of his physical desire for that and his lack of physical desire for the older ones he loves.
Is this the time of the year where Om3gas can breathe a sigh of relief over Alphas and Betas? For them Feb. 14 is merely the date between Feb. 13 and Feb. 15 . . .
I don’t understand the uproar over IMBRA. It’s just a ban on mail-order bride brokering, right? You can still meet a foreign woman on your own in a million ways of meeting people.
On a similar note, MRAs need to get off the foreign bride thing. Think about it: for every Philipina or Russian woman you marry, there is a local man without a woman. Better idea: fix your own women. Game can help you with this.
PA: That is total Bullshit. Don’t start a war you cannot win while carrying water for radical feminists.
1) There is no such thing as a mail order bride. This is a racist term used by feminists to belittle their foreign competition.
2) It is not a ban. Are you such a gutless little omega wimp that you would stand for the US Government actually banning the ability of dating websites?????
But it might as well be a ban because it DOES regulate US males by forcing third parties to background check them (nobody actually complies with this) before they are allowed to put them in contact with women.
Thus, IMBRA puts the US Government between a man trying to say hello to a woman. If this is upheld in the Supreme Court, it will hold for men meeting domestic women as well as foreigners.
Are you such a gutless wimp that you would say your right to meet a foreign woman is OK to lose as long as there are American women to meet?
And don’t say “but this is only via dating websites, I am still allowed to meet foreign women on the streets of Russia”…that is like a gutless wimp saying he is happy that he is still allowed to at least sit in the back of the bus or that he can still walk everywhere as long as he wears a yellow star on his jacket.
2) International Marriage Agencies are mostly dishonest in that IMBRA has made them that way – they no longer have to prove that their women exist by giving the contact information that can be used to prove it. IMBRA says that women who want their contact information disseminated to strangers MUST BE STOPPED from doing so, because US feminists don’t want that competition (they say that the women are putting themselves in danger – as if they are children who don’t know what they are doing).
I can go on if you want PA. Roissy agrees with me on this…as does any male who is alpha enough to understand that being told “you can still meet US women in any way you want and you can still meet foreign women on foreign streets, but you have now lost the right to meet them online”.
Remember the words of Republican Judge Thomas Rose on Veterans Day 2006 regarding IMBRA “The Supreme Court has never held that there is a fundamental liberty interest in an American contacting a foreigner”
PA: I just wrote a long answer to the bullshit you just wrote, but suffice it to say you have no dick if you think it is OK for the US government to have taken your right to meet women online…and saying “it is just foreign women” is like saying “it is just the front of the bus I cannot sit in anymore”.
And it will take 30 years to reverse US feminism to make dating in the US pleasant again. You want to start having fun then? It is not macho to think that having sex with gorgeous Russian 18 year olds isn’t “sporting” because it is supposedly “too easy” (it isn’t) and that one has to pork American feminist 25 year olds to feel successful at “game”.
Plus, the attitude behind IMBRA is being expressed in US government funded campaigns to ‘educate’ foreign women to not “prostitute themselves” (which means date) American men.
But that is OK to the poverty stricken PUA types who think one has to have a “challenge” in dating women…which makes it better to “succeed” at bedding a 25 year old feminist who is an 8 but also HPV positive in a smoky bar in DC (higher game skill level) than to succeed at bedding an 18 year old 10 from another country who is HPV negative and so friendly, intelligent and down to Earth that you didn’t really need game.
PUA should be about RESULTS, not PROCESS…especially not the skill level needed to achieve getting laid to a skank.
Do you also fly off your handle because the US government tells you to wear a helmet on your motorcycle? It’s also an unacceptable encroachment on our liberty, but I don’t get worked up about it. Same with IMBRA. It doesn’t prevent you from meeting women online, it just bans mail-order bride brokering. You can meet whomever you want online, dumbass.
On your second paragraph, you sound like you bitch about feminism more than you bang chicks. Who tells you to pork American feminists? I’ve banged a good number of American girls and as far as I can tell, with the flaws and entitlement many (but not all) have, very few are in fact feminists. Feminism is a lesbian political movement; regular women aren’t feminist beyond some of them unreflectively parroting whatever feminist nonsense they hear on TV or in college. And Game obliterates any of that.
No alpha male cries for the males who get left out anyway. You cry for foreign men enough to think it is OK for the Bipartisan Women’s Caucus of the US Congress to do a deal with Senator Brownback to block us from competing with them? What kind of argument is that? By having a harem, any alpha male is destroying the chances of omegas completely and making sure betas always get sloppy seconds.
Plus, American men who don’t speak Russian now have a minimal chance of competing with local Russian men on the sexual market place for the 9s and 10s. Moscow is the most expensive place on Earth (almost) and that means a lot of young men have parents who own apartments that are worth millions of $. The foreign bride industry is totally dead there (and a scam in other parts of the former Soviet Union)…and it is a real challenge for an American to learn both game and the local language to succeed in dating the world’s most beautiful women (who were a lot more available 10 years ago before apartment values rose in the 2000s).
PA: You are a total asshole if you think IMBRA can be compared with helmet laws. Being told you can only meet women under certain circumstances and *accepting* that..is the ultimate beta move.
The typical feminist “you wouldn’t be discussing our new regulations against you online if you were capable of getting laid” is bullshit PA. They use that against Roissy all the time. They say he blogs because he isn’t really getting laid.
You can drag this on PA if you want, as I can write a lot of interesting (and horrifying) material about how this ban on talking to women got through Congress. Unless Roissy bans mention of IMBRA, it will be discussed in a lot of threads but remember that he, himself, is royally pissed at this law. So you better get used to it and preferably on board in getting this overturned, which would happen in 3 days if even one American had the guts to use his full name by walking into an American courthouse to challenge this.
Don’t worry pa there will only be a certain number of people that actually cut out. Most won’t.
Guys still live in massachusetts lol.
PA: You are an asshole if you compare IMBRA with helmet laws. And now you are trying to nitpick – carrying water for the radical feminists – by saying that, technically, you can still meet foreign women online without US government interference as long as it is not via what the government defines irrationally as a “marriage broker”.
Definition: A dating site with less than 50% US women on it where both parties do not pay the same amount of money to meet. Banning that is like a helmet law? Wimp
MRA: you are a paranoid hysteric.
PA: We can go on all day – You are not going to win this.
I have never lost an argument about IMBRA. Google that.
Do a Google search as well for Roissy’s post on IMBRA. He is royally pissed at Congress for this. There is no way to sugar-coat this as “not so bad” considering the precedent the Supreme Court will set if they uphold the idea that Congress can regulate meeting women like they can regulate how you ride a vehicle.
No PA, you just don’t know what you are talking about. Google Roissy’s post on IMBRA.
By the way, this is Jack. I post often here. I changed the name for this thread.
And saying “a paranoid hysteric” in response to facts about US Congressional and judicial rulings? Without actually dealing with the facts themselves? Beta male white knighting in defense of feminist incursions on our right to say hello to women under all circumstances.
On that note though I am getting the fuck out of dodge.
Catch ya all later he he he
I see
when I don’t post here
local iq level
diminishes rapidly
Roissy agrees with me on this
and
search as well for Roissy’s post on IMBRA. He is royally pissed
The MRA movement attracts first-raters like Welmer and DFH. Alas, it also attracts unhinged personalities. And what is it with you guys running behind Daddy? Come out and make your own argument.
It reminds me of my argument here with a virginal dork who couldn’t stop going on about sexbots. Virtually every one of his responses to me was “but-but-but Roissy wrote about sexbots!”
Hint: cool guys can talk about whatever they want. Dorks and paranoiacs sound a little suspicious when they broach odd topics.
But, MRA, I’m saying this for your own good. Picture yourself arguing before the supreme court, or debating a feminst on CNN. If you come off like you do here, a paranoic hysteric, you will hurt, not help, the MRA cause.
The quality of a harem is directly related to how women 18-21 see themselves in terms of power on the sexual marketplace. We can all agree that, without some members of that age group component, a harem is not the best quality and, no matter how much game a man has, if an 18 year old upper middle class 10 is told by everyone that she is God’s gift to men, almost nobody, especially any man over 27, is getting her in his harem.
QED: US women, aged 18-21, need to understand their *real value* (with forecasted depreciation added in) visavis 2 billion foeign womren compared to their jacked up “artificial value” that US culture + misguided PUAs put on them. Perception is reality. Calling foreign women “mail order brides”, using the feminist term “broker” instead of “dating site with lots of foreigners on it” and saying that it is “better to concentrate on American women (even if a particular man wants to stay in his own backyard) superficially jacks up the value of American women through the roof.
2 billion foreign women vs much less than 20 million US women who are 8s, 9s or 10s should make every American 18 year old wonder if she will ever find a decent alpha for herself. Instead, she hears in her freshman women’s studies course that all these other women are “victims” of economics “exploited” by useless American omega males who aren’t worth dating themselves of course (this depiction lowers all PUA value – by saying these PUAs have no other serious choices – while maintaining artificial value heights for the young women believing it).
good stuff, ive never tried to keep things going for longer than a couple months
[And what is it with you guys running behind Daddy? Come out and make your own argument]
PA: are you really LR tonight? You’re arguing like a feminist does who is bitter about something. At least you agree this is a major MRA issue.
In about 4000 words of discussion, I mentioned that Roissy is also pissed off at Congress for passing IMBRA in about 10 words. And you call that not making my own argument? What drugs are you on?
If you disagree with the 3990 words that comprised my own argument, we can go on all night. If I have to defend the position, I can discuss a lot more about Senator Brownback and the other beta senators who betrayed us and why.
Don’t kid yourself: to get this discussed by anyone on CNN would be totally devastating to the feminist cause. And, yes, I am probably the best one to do it because I know so much about it and I am not at all hysterical (my reasoning above is well thought out and comprehensive).
But it won’t happen that this gets on CNN or FoxNews for reasons I will discuss in the next post.
To get even one American to challenge this in a federal court (anyone reading this, willing to use their real name, can write a challenge on a paper bag and submit it tomorrow morning and get his law repealed)
But that might not happen because some asshole even on a pro-male or neutral forum can always be counted on to carry water for the feminists even via friendly fire like what you just did.
Here is why this won’t get on CNN of FoxNews:
You’re arguing like a feminist does who is bitter about something
Nope, I’m very upbeat by temperament, and a far-right paleoconservative with mucho sympathy for the MRA movement, so not a feminist.
You get what you give. Your reply to my first rather innocuous comment about IMBRA was beligerent, so I had no choice but to treat you like you’re a jackass. When you learn to be polite, you will then be spoken to in a more amiable manner.
Here is why CNN and FoxNews want to keep the perceived value of US women artificially high, which directly affects the quality of all American harems and all PUAs operating in the USA – even if they’d reject a Russian exchange student 10 because they feel it is more sporting and macho to “game” and succeed at getting a 25 year old 8 who smokes and has HPV:
(I am continually amazed at how some PUAs think like Victorian deer hunters who considered a prize more valuable depending on how difficult the conditions of the hunt were)
1) If there are two thousand million foreign women, then there are probably 100 million beautiful single foreign women. If 110 million Americans are of voting age, there are probably no more than 10 million beautiful single American women.
2) Do you believe that the 10 million American single women are aware of and fear the 100 million young beautiful single foreign competitors?
3) Not on you life (despite low air fares + the Internet)
4) Does this effect their self-valuation on the domestic sexual marketplace? Yes. It keeps it artificially high by a factor of 10 (which at least translates to thinking they deserve a man who is at least 1 point higher on a hypothetical logorithmic 10 scale than they should really expect).
5) Does this effect the quality that any given man, no matter how much game he has, can get in his domestic harem? Yes…by a factor of 10 (say the difference between an 8 and a 9 is a factor of 10).
6) CNN and FoxNews fear that their sponsors would be upset if women specifically got upset at even one broadcast. There is a mythology that women make 80% of purchases from those sponsors in the USA. The GOP and Democrats plus the Libertarian Party all target the female vote and ignore the “male vote” (MRA issues are never discussed, not even by Scott Brown who beat Coakley largely because Democrat men felt she was too radical as a feminist – but pundits won’t discuss this).
Marc Rudov adequately discusses in his writings how corporations and politicians bow before women like cowards. No, I am not letting Rudov make my argument here. I am just noting that this is standard MRA discussion.
7)There is no topic more upsetting to US women than a discussion of there being 10 times more competition out there. They need everyone to think of foreign women as a bunch of “half-starved victims” whom no decent man would exploit. Go to OnlineDatingRights.com to see the details of their systematic attempt to keep their paradigm from being challenged.
8) Marc Rudov was told by FoxNews that the one topic he could not discuss when they allowed him to debate “men’s rights”was foreign competition and the details of the VAWA law (of which IMBRA is only a small part). He won’t admit this.
At one point a feminist directly asked him “VAWA? Why would you have a problem with the Violence Against Women Act? and Rudov froze. He didn’t answer…live on Fox News when the VAWA topic is the #1 MRA issue…and some MRAs later defending him as “all we’ve got on TV”.
Rudov himself tried to explain to MRAs that he felt men themselves would not buy the argument that there was competition and they would consider him a loser to try to discuss that. He prefered to explain in defense of his silence on Fox News that, despite his great article against IMBRA,”no American man really cares if other men can get laid on a trip to Paris” (this reductionism went against what he said in the article he had written).
Rudov himself was taken to the cleaners by a Venezuelan ex-wife and he admits to having no interest in foreign women as a result. He also has, in contrast to 99% of MRAs and PUAs, an attitude that all men should date their own age and someone who makes the same amount of money. Rudov would consider dating an 18 year old immoral as he feels that men should be arrested for agreeing to go to a room with a prostitute cop (in other words, he is damaged goods as an MRA or PUA).
Remember: IMBRA itself (without the court rulings that cement the right of government to make laws about meeting women) is minor compared to the systematic attempt by the feminists and their enablers to keep the concept of competition silent and their value artificially high.
[When you learn to be polite, you will then be spoken to in a more amiable manner]
It would have been better not to have made a pompous “innocuous” dismissal of IMBRA and its larger implications (keeping the value of US women artificially high via lawmaking) to someone who is a regular here who just happened to have changed his name for this thread.
But, if you really are pro-MRA, then accept my apologies.
We don’t need friendly fire on each other (even though Rudov does).
I understand how alphas like to butt heads. You wanted to say to a perceived newcomer “mind your status here” 😉
How about you make yourself scarce on Vagina Day, then go pick up the perennially available lonely chicks hanging around the usual spots in search for ‘true love’ on this very magical day?
Remember what Tom Leykis said about not spending too much on the floozies you bang, and especially to ignore birthdays, anniversaries, festive holidays and especially V-day. If there’s one thing you should do, it is to DTB on V-day. Consider it as a routine spring cleaning session, discarding out the aged, expired, used up meat and making space for fresher meat. Another analogy: a footballer had served the club well for years, now it’s time to sell him off and make way for a younger replacement.
Been with some chicks for quite a number of months already? These are not MLTRs, just a roster of fuck buddies, easily replaceable and if these bitces are unhappy you didn’t spend quality time with them on V-day, tell them ‘there’s the door’.
Also, PA, the far right often goes full circle to the far left in reasoning. There has been a huge problem in the IMBRA fight with the likes of Sam Brownback and all those who don’t believe in premarital sex, buying sex, etc who – along with their church groups and the gay English section of the Vatican – are all too prone to buy the Marxist concept of women being “exploited”. This goes far beyond the regulation of dating websites and includes getting men arrested in sting operations involving sex, raising the age of consent, and, and and. The defacto leader of MRAs is probably Glenn Sacks, a Democrat, despite that party’s servitude to the NOW. You demonstrated in your willingness to accept the Marxist definition of “international dating site” as “marriage broker” that your POV was not only hostile because I had not been “polite.” A Google search would show that no MRA is unaware of or belittles the issue of IMBRA nor is willing to belittle foreign women with the racist feminist slur “mail order bride” (unless the term is somehow used with respect).
It’s true that some on the Right pedestalize woman. This alone has a complex history, too off-topic to get into here, but it’s a relic of now culturally-obsolete Christian teaching that man is to his woman as Christ is to His Church. In other words, the man leads, the woman follows. As a reciprocation of a woman’s submission to man, she is protected and cherished.
You can see how today the equation is off-balance. The woman no loner wants to follow, but some men still keep the “cherish and protect” mindset.
Now, onto Brownback, or Silverback, or whatever his name is — he’s a pro-welfare, pro-immigration moron, similar to Huckabee. He’s no right winger. He’s scum/moron, like traitor McCain, Bush, and the rest of the fake conservatives.
PA: Yes, I agree that Brownback abandoned conservatives on more issue than just feminism. The danger is his ties to the Vatican (itself in danger of moving left) and continued power in the US senate GOP minority (will he run again?).
When some of us called the Vatican to get his radio broadcast against US men dating foreign women deleted, the German and Spanish sections of Vatican Radio agreed with us that it was bizarre to blame men for looking for good Catholic women in Poland and Lithuania and refused to translate it and use it. An Australian woman in the English section also removed it from the Vatican Radio website. She thought Brownback’s attitude was bizarre (he was berating the men of his own country).
But a gay man named Charles Collins was her boss. Charles came from Boston. Charles loved Sam Brownback and reinstated the broadcast where it remains today I assume (Google Brownback Vatican Radio if you want to hear how US males want to “live out their sexual fantasies” with innocent foreign women). 😉
Here is more on the Brownback Vatican Radio address:
http://www.onlinedatingrights.com/forum/index.php?topic=678.0
What was interesting was the shock with which the gay Charles Collins treated us for having convinced his colleagues to delete a US senator’s speech from Vatican Radio’s website (Brownback’s speech about US males exploiting women).
Same thing happens when one calls Congressional offices…the aides of both Republicans and Democrats are professionals who don’t get hired because of their political affiliation (they are all left wing and feminist). They are hired, even by Republicans, because they are “professionals who know there way around the Hill and can get things done”. Sure…they get things done the way *they* want, not the way the clueless GOP office-holders might want if they even knew what conservatism stands for or once was.
So they go into shock or amusement when one of their constituents turns out to be a male (how did one of those get through) who is concerned about his rights in terms of gender (what? that’s mysogynist isn’t it?).
Then there was the Bush appointee to Deputy Labor Secretary Karen Tsarnecki – she moonlighted on NPR with her feminist buddies and attacked men who might want “an old fashioned woman” and defended their being regulated as seen here:
http://www.onlinedatingrights.com/forum/index.php?topic=559.0
Money quote: “its a free country, but its such a shame that men want women who will cook and clean for them”.
Laura was running the Bush White House when it came to social matters. Karen was one of her better friends.
How frequently do you get yourself tested?
SDaedalus,
Yes. As long as the love is there and mutual, the rest is noise.
thanks man I couldn’t read this fast enough. i also wonder how often you test and if you have anything
Pupu, I agree (although some of us are more sensitive to noise than others; perhaps we need earplugs?)
PA demonstrates real class by accepting MRA’s climb-down in a very gracious manner. You can’t ‘fake alpha’ true class.
I read this post with interest, as my husband and I have a similar arrangement (he likes variety but not one night stands: he has girlfriends; I only have sex with him). I don’t think that Roissy’s advice is very good, though, as the potential for everything blowing up in your face is high. If my husband repeatedly lied to me, I would certainly dump him immediately.
Instead, he told me that he loved me and was happy, but wanted to have sex with other people. I thought about this and realized that it actually didn’t upset me at all, because we have a very good relationship and I know he is very committed to me. Because I feel secure, I don’t feel jealous (one reason long-term relationship game is very different from casual dating).
It’s been like this for the last 5 years (though he hasn’t had girlfriends continuously). I did make some ground rules: 1. he must always use condoms with the girlfriends; 2. he must tell me everything if I ask; otherwise, he must never mention the girlfriends; 3. the girlfriends live in a completely separate sphere (we don’t meet; none of our friends or families know about them; they can’t come to the house unless I’m out of town).
I have no desire to have sex with other men (we have a great sex life), so the subject has never really come up. I don’t really have any problems with the setup. My husband’s main problem is that it’s not that hard to get girlfriends, but keeping them for more than several months is hard as they get tired of coming in second. But since all the relationships in Roissy’s example were short, and the point of girlfriends is variety anyway, maybe this isn’t such a big deal.
I only know about my own experience (I would never tell anyone in real life about this setup), but based on that I would advise people wanting the same to make sure that their main relationship is happy, trusting, and honest (this takes a lot of work); have good, frequent sex with all parties; and to be very discreet.
Ozma: I was always amazed at how strong the couples swap community is in the USA. All a man needs is an attractive partner these days and the opportunities are amazing. I would be OK to have my partner agree to “it is OK to cheat but not with penetration”. That should be a minimal clause every man gets in a marriage contract. 😉
Laikastes: Yes, and friendly fire incidents need fast climb-down – when I realized he was on the right side, the finger went off the trigger and I apologized fast. It is actually heartening to know that men’s rights may go main stream at any moment as men stop butting antlers. It hasn’t quite gotten there yet and some of us are going to have to force GOP politicians into a public debate so they stop putting the “women’s vote” on a pedestal while ignoring 45% of the electorate (it could be a lie that men vote slightly less -men may actually vote more).
Just last night, @CharmingRogue, the most popular PUA on Twitter finally noticed the existence of MRA as a field of discussion. He had never heard of some of the main themes. It was interesting to field his inquiries. When PUAs and MRAs get more organized, we can get some billionaire to fund a sort of National Organization for Men (NOM) that can be more powerful than the NOW (albeit we will have to deny reading Roissy because what he writes is just too politically incorrect). 😉
Sorry Roissy, but with posts like this, you won’t be President anytime soon…
@osma,
Does it concern you that your husband may some day meet a woman who would ultimately replace you?
Have you noticed that your husband is more joyful and euphoric after being with her, then he could ever be after years of living with you?
Does it concern you that your husband has accommodated other lovers in ways that he has declined and wouldn’t for you? Is there a financial limit? You have no issue with the money he spends to romance them?
Does it concern you that he will eventually be unable to maintain an erection with the condom on and will remove it. Test this at home. Can he maintain an erection with a condom on with you?
Does it concern you that in order to maintain and prolong another lover, he will lie to them about your existence? You will then become an accessory to his lies and their heartbreak.
You stated, If my husband repeatedly lied to me, I would certainly dump him immediately. Repeatedly? How many lies are allowed? How can you ever know the extent of his lies?
They can come to your house? on your bed? may he dress them up in your lingerie? You return to clean the carpet and sheet stains?
Glad you’re so happy with this arrangement. Give us an update in 5 years.
Anonymous: The “does it concern you” mantra implies a woman should just take half a man’s assets and leave him without the ability to get women at all? That wouldn’t be so nice. Remember, men can’t help wanting what they want. Think about it. That said, I have already stated that a woman might want to draw the line at dry humping. I am faithful to my girlfriend in that I don’t take the panties off the others. They just sit on me and, believe me, a 9 or 10 sitting and jiggling around is better than intercourse with a 7 or 8. It is also much healthier in terms of no worries about catching anything.
Ozma said: ” I did make some ground rules: ”
That would be enough for me to dump you. My mate will need to have complete trust in me, and not be concerned at all that I would do anything to harm her. Rules limit freedom and are in place only when one party cannot trust the other to do the right thing.
“Does it concern you that your husband may some day meet a woman who would ultimately replace you?”
It’s unlikely Ozma would ever be replaced—she’s married to the guy. There is no “replacing” her. If he ever tried, she would divorce him and relieve him of a substantial portion of the wealth he’s spent so much of his life acquiring.
Nope—she’s the main girl for good. The fool put a ring on it, and now she’s got him by the balls. At this point, he should be grateful she’s letting him take up with various sidewomen and jump-offs.
Some women like Ozma allow these sorts of arrangements thinking “knowledge is power.”. I personally wouldn’t do it. But from what I’ve observed, the women feel like by knowing exactly what is up they can stop things from escalating if needed.
Meaning, if she gets wind of him acting a little too seriously (beginning stages) toward one chick, she can either veto or do some undercover sabotage (threaten the girl, etc). Many women act very “cool” but underneath are just being super sneaky.
PS Reading PA’s comments here reaffirms I think he is one of the most balanced and “real” regular commenters. Just thot I would say that instead of keeping it to myself, that’s all.
This post has some of the most honesty and reality about women I’ve seen. Impressed by Roissy and Roosh’s frankness… finally! lol
Yes, girls *do* have options and will exercise them. Very few men in the world can simply use reframing within Game to make a woman not leave him for the other Alpha in the room. Anyone’s local neighborhood is filled with PUAs along with natural Alphas, along with “paper” Alphas (guys without personality Game but rich or handsome enough to not really need it)… and even situational Alphas.
I find it interesting that the guys I’ve argued about girls not being stuck to a guy, “gina tingles from him” uber alles here on Roissy did not comment on this post. I bet they will continue to argue that no, it’s ridiculous to think an 8, 7 or 6 might have other options to pursue… and also, attractiveness doesn’t drop off a cliff at age 25. It lessens perhaps a linear slope up to 30, and on an exponential slope after age 30. It eventually hovers near zero of course but depending on the woman, it may take longer to get there.
Lastly, don’t they say much of PUA arts is about mimicking a lot of the tricks girls do? This post made me think of that… especially the part of making the girl mentally preoccupied to keep her busy. I think some women like to keep “my good friend from college” or “my good buddy from work” types around to keep her man wondering… Along with not discouraging admirers. Mainly when the guy has committed however… in a casual situation she doesn’t have enough leverage yet. And it can’t be obvious as well because then he just thinks she’s being disloyal. If he’s committed and she keeps him busy worrying about her… that’s even more he has in his mind that he has to manage… And tire him out. Some girls force the “be a good father to your sons” bit as well… make him busy doing stuff with his kids. One woman’s husband who was hitting on me (and my friends) at a party was that way I found out shortly after she c–kblocked him.
Enough already with the dry humping, lol. You sound like a 13-year old in your parents’ basement mounting the cushions and feverishly poring over the Sears catalog lingerie section.
At least change it to something less juvenile and stupid-sounding. Grownups were using the term “frottage” for the same activity back in the 90s.
Downside: You may be swimming in polluted vaj.
Not necessarily.
Roissy, you failed to account for 2 other groups in the Honest Multiple Relationships. That is the closed ones.
1. BDSM Masters who host a few long term submissive slaves. He has no reason to expect that the slaves would be ever allowed the amount of time to have extra-partner (male) relations. Plus, their attentions when not focus solely upon him are redirected upon each other.
2. Fundamentalist Radical Mormons. The wives are raised in a world where they cannot understand or fathom equality with their husbands with regard to other partners. They honestly believe they are serving their God to be married to a man with multiple wives, in fact the husband who can afford to care for multiple wives is higher status then a bachelor, in other words…
<blockquoteThe more wives, the more desirable he is.
Alpha behavior reinforcing religion. Also, divorce amongst Fundi-radical muslims ERM… multi-mormons is exceptionally low… as opposed to the mainstream LDS Church [LDS Church members are no different than the christian national average, with 24% of marriages ending in divorce.]
Among Christians, Baptists have the highest divorce rate 29%. Perhaps the baptist sect is the Beta male sect of choice.
The fact is that most successful players — alphas and greater betas alike — will lie out of expedience to enable the gravy train of multiple concurrent pussy to keep rolling.
And eventually go insane from not being able to look any of them in the eye. In fact never being able to look any of them in the eye is really crazy making, but then you are Harem King.
Anonymous,
You actually sound a little unbalanced (why are you so angry about the happy relationship of someone you don’t even know?). But on the off chance you are truly curious, I am not at all concerned about being replaced.
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough in my post, but the point I was trying to make was that if you are in a happy, secure relationship then sexual fidelity may not really matter. You can have good sex with many different people, but having someone who you can trust and rely on, who has a long history with you, whose life is intertwined with yours in every way, who shares your interests, pleasures and hardships, is not replacable. It’s like suggesting you replace your mother with a restaurant, since both cook for you.
I don’t really understand your other questions: how expensive is taking someone on dates anyway? It’s just like any other sort of hobby or amusement that you might do with your disposable income and time. The others assume that my husband is an inconsiderate and immoral person (and stupid, why would he want to risk illegitimate children and STDs?).
lovelysexybeauty,
I understand what you’re saying, but we really don’t have this arrangement as part of my clever plan to monitor my husband. I don’t usually ask that much about the girlfriends because they are not important at all in my life (thus the 3rd rule). It’s just that my husband is happier this way, and it doesn’t negatively affect me, so why not?
I am sort of surprised that readers of this blog would be so negative. But of course that’s why we don’t tell anyone about it.
@Play Station X
And eventually go insane from not being able to look any of them in the eye.
That line of reasoning presupposes mental sanity.
Alphas have been displaying a sociopaths behavior for a very long time. At least that is the opinion of Feminist Shrinks who write the DSM.
One should note that in the 1830′s this disorder was called “moral insanity.”
By 1900 it was changed to “psychopathic personality.”
More recently it has been termed “antisocial personality disorder” in the DSM-III and DSM-IV.
Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on ‘objective’ criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. (I would dare say, but look at the profile of a sociopath, I will touch on 8 of the many points)
Lets get back to your point about with Lying… while looking you in the eye. Next to each heading I have a comment within the Parenthesis.
#0 Pathological Lying (PUA lifestyle)
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
#1 Glibness and Superficial Charm (Game)
#2 Manipulative and Conning (Game)
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
#3 Grandiose Sense of Self (Inner Game)
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
#4 Need for Stimulation (PUA Lifestyle)
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common
#5 Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity (they repeat themselves on this one, but go down a second tangent, conflating Alphas with Rapists)
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
#6 Incapacity for Love (Roissy critics, and critics of PUA lifestyle use this Ad-Hominum attack with Swiss Timepiece regularity)
#7 Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt (Roissy’s critics throw this “rage” complaint at him all the time, especially when that day’s thesis is particularly salient, and peppered with astute observations)
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
#8 Irresponsibility/Unreliability (Remember, when cornered: Admit Nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations.)
Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
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ephebophile
What is your schtick exactly? Let me guess. You’re fundamentally religious, anti-feminist, and pro-PUA? Or con-PUA? Call me daft, but some people here are so cynical it’s hard to tell when they’re actually be being sincere, if ever.
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Let’s not demonize all sociopaths.
Civilization was built by sociopaths and psychopaths.
True Story.
It is a myth of modern liberal culture that sociopaths are necessarily evil sadists. Every strong leader in history has been one. Sadism and misanthropy exist independently, they do not go hand and foot with being a sociopath. I have a theory on why some people are sociopaths that I will post on shortly.
In the meantime, as you can see from the trackback above, I have a post on how to build a harem that is easier than lying and juggling a bunch of single chicks.
Well said ephebophile.
The most alpha (well, obsessive womanising) guy I ever knew ended up jumping to his death from a hotel room though, so maybe there’s some truth to play station x’s comment.
I feel like an ass from time to time when I do whatever is necessary to bed a girl and she turns out to be a genuinely sweet person. It’s so much easier on my conscience to pump and dump a girl who I think is actually not nice. But in the case of the sweet girl who gets bruised by my charm and affection, and departure – it weighs me down I must admit. I’m obviously not sociopathic enough – yet.
So these things called ‘feelings’ – I suppose it stands to reason that the ultimate apha probably doesn’t have them.
I’m reminded of the Hawthorne quote I saw in the Sopranos:
“No man… can wear one face to himself and another to the multitude, without finally getting bewildered as to which one may be true.”
[editor: great quote. corollary: if you wish to change yourself, act the part of who you want to be. it’ll eventually internalize until you are no longer acting.]
But I ask, can a sociopathic alpha ever stop? In general the answer is of course no! This need to bed women is not even a choice for me – I can’t see it ending, so the best thing to do is to try not to break hearts (that is, if you have some feelings). The discipline is indentifying the vulnerable sweethearts out there and dumping them after a week or two of getting what you want (and maybe the odd follow-up) – it’s only fair. If they are b*itches on the other hand, then I suggest you can do whatever you want.
Overall I’m seeking a balance of womanising, and living a relatively guilt-free existence (for my own benefit it must be said.)
I cannot believe that you have such a massive following of seemingly intellectual men that hang on such douchebaggery.
You seem to understand societal games and the nuances of women with low self esteem, but I can say that intelligent women who value themselves might notice your swagger, but also would know well enough to avoid your game.
The only time I could see a the above mentioned type of woman having sex with you is when she needed to scratch an itch. I wonder if perhaps you wouldn’t target a woman like this, though. Your apparent disregard for the female counterpart of your species would allow you to find something about her that you could easily justify a dismissal.
Either that or you would fuck her to find a flaw so that you could be the “alpha winner.”
In circular logic, I am aware that alpha females cannot or do not often interact or last with alpha males because if they procreated, then their offspring would commit suicide once they realized the grandeur of their parent’s narcissism.
In short, men like you who never grew past the tip of their own cock are the reason I hope my daughter becomes a lesbian, nun or a man-eater.
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Great Vday excuse: I always spend V-day with Mom.
Plusside: You can give off some good provider/family man vibes for the (even Pimps love their momas). You have a great excuse (so long a girl never meets mom…. and a 5 or 7 shouldn’t)
Downside: Unless your alpha cred is solid you’ll come off a pansy assed Momma’s boy.
I have MLTRs and *dread* v-day. I pray each year that it falls on a weekday so I can say I’m busy and spend the weekend before with a chick or two and the weekend afterward with the other(s).
And any douchenozzle who says you can have MLTRs without lying like a cheap rug is full of BS.
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Wait whut? Take her out on Valentines day?
Isn’t that kind of Beta?
Or are you saying its best to do a couple Beta things on Valentines day, and the next day go back to being the healthy Alpha male?
****gets out pen and paper****
What should I DO with the 8+ girl, that keeps her around, yet does not swing so far Beta that she loses respect?
Also, what about demanding from HER that SHE do and get something for ME on Valentines day?
Yeah.
Looks like beefcake and I are both doing a little research on this topic, since I could give a fuck about v-day beyond what it might get me on v-night.
My quandary is I’ve been seeing this 8+ girl for about 3 weeks, but no bang yet. Should I just not even acknowledge V-day?