COTW winner Mike writes,
Off topic, but I just finished watching Eastwood’s “American Sniper”. The fact that we live in a society which teaches our kids to idolize rappers and drug dealers, and yet I’d never even heard of this guy until today, depresses the shit out of me. It’s guys like THAT that we should be holding up to our kids as the ideal.
If anyone wants to know what a true Alpha looks like, that dude was it. From what I could see, his only flaw was that he was willing to go overseas and risk his life for a country that would have happily thrown him under the bus if he would have come back and said something to offend a fat, spoiled, worthless SJW feminist.
That kiss-off disclaimer at the end is the shiv that twists deepest. From what I know, Kyle was an honorable man… and that was his flaw. He was duty-bound to a corrupt elite and government that, not to mince words, hated his guts, and hates the guts of those like him.
One insurgent tactic to hit the enemy where it hurts is to turn the affections of the natural constituency of the US military — all those competent white men from the more vigorous remnants of the culture — against the idea that service to the traitors within is anything remotely honorable or brave. It is, quite the contrary, stupid. It’s very stupid to fight for effete pussyboys, grotesque feminists, and diversity quota ingrates sitting in cushy offices who work tirelessly day and night to put the heads of white men like Kyle on plates.
Sadly, this is what the US military has become. A vehicle for the self-flagellation of the non-elite white male. A caricature of what men should aspire to be: self referential satirical parody.
Oh, but Kylie got to kill. Unlike the lying portrait in the movie where he is presented as having human reactions to killing, he was a psychopath who loved to kill, as he wrote in his book. He didn’t care who. He wrote that he had the time of his life killing people and would have loved to keep doing it for as long as possible, if he hadn’t had to come home to his wife. (And smear Jesse Ventura with a false story to boost his book sales.) For him, today’s U.S. military was great, just what he sought. A chance to murder in an illegal war. What could be more fun? Certainly not joining a group that seeks to actually defend the United States, against the mass immigration that Kyle’s neocons push hard for. No, that would have taken actual courage, and he was a coward who only sided with those in power. For profit and for fun.
Now, this is telling: http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america
2. The Film Invents a Terrorist Sniper Who Works For Multiple Opposing Factions: Kyle’s primary antagonist in the film is a sniper named Mustafa. Mustafa is mentioned in a single paragraph in Kyle’s book, but the movie blows him up into an ever-present figure and Syrian Olympic medal winner who fights for both Sunni insurgents in Fallujah and the Shia Madhi army.
Americans are too ignorant to know about different factions in the Middle East – as proven by how more than 70 percent of those who supported invading Iraq thought that President Hussein was behind 9/11, working with al-Qaeda. Which is like Downing Street working with the IRA “because they’re all Christians!”. The neocon media have worked hard on preserving the ignorance, though some have learned a bit with time. Showing a sniper working for different sides – an impossibility – serves the propaganda that “they are all the same”.
Meanwhile those who love the film vote for the neocon-loyal candidates who promote mass immigration in the U.S. and Europe. Like Bush did, urging the EU to accept Turkey as a member so millions of Turks could swarm Europe. Wait a minute, weren’t the neocons trying to “defend us from Islam”? Of course not. Their racial kin in European media are the ones who pushed for Middle Eastern mass immigration. Which Americans know nothing about.
1. The Film Suggests the Iraq War Was In Response To 9/11: One way to get audiences to unambiguously support Kyle’s actions in the film is to believe he’s there to avenge the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The movie cuts from Kyle watching footage of the attacks to him serving in Iraq, implying there is some link between the two.
Kyle told more lies – seems to have been a habit. He claimed that when he was going away on a mission, he passed by demonstrators with signs calling military personnel “baby killers”. (Which of course they were. Whenever a resistance fighter was shooting from an apartment building in Iraq, the military fired missiles at the building, killing everyone inside. This was U.S. terrorism against the people, killing the innocent to make them give up the resistance.)
Poor, innocent soldier, right? Except that didn’t happen either.
mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle
San Diego and Coronado, California are very pro-military areas. There are huge populations of active service and retired military people living there. A protestor with a “baby killer” sign would stick out like a sore thumb. That would also make not only the local news, but national news. And other vets would have reported the same thing on their own websites or chat rooms. None of that happened. There is no reporting, or evidence that there were ever any protestors with “baby killer” signs anywhere near San Diego or Coronado California. Or anywhere else for that matter. Never. Nor were there any pictures taken of those signs or news reports about them. Chris Kyle lied again.
….And another lie from Chris Kyle’s book, in service of the neocons. Chris Kyle found the WMDs!
“At another location, we found barrels of chemical material that was intended for use as biochemical weapons. Everyone talks about there being no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but they seem to be referring to completed nuclear bombs, not the many deadly chemical weapons or precursors that Saddam had stockpiled.
“Maybe the reason is that the writing on the barrels showed that the chemicals came from France and Germany, our supposed Western allies.”
Those evil Europeans! Rename the French fries Freedom fries!
Except of course there were no WMDs, just like there were no carjackers for Kyle to shoot, no looters shot with his sniper rifle after Hurricane Katrina, no fight with Jesse Ventura (despite certain media promoting that demonstrably false story).
This WMD story is reminiscent of the story in the beginning of the invasion of Iraq, about Iraqi soldiers opening barrels of mustard gas to pour out over the battlefields. Ludicrous. But used to silence critics. That is how it’s always done – doesn’t matter if the lies are exposed later, in small print on the back pages. Maybe Kyle had heard of the gas barrels and figured that if some reporter could make up that story and get away with it, he could do the same. All to sell his book.
Is there any chance that Kyle really did kill looters from the top of the Super Dome after Katrina?
Of the myths and lies that he told, that story is the one that seems like it almost could be true based on the situation and context.
Arbiter, is it possible that he could have done that?
Fuck you.
Really, a person with a “baby killer!” sign would make the local news, be on a blog, etc? It isn’t possible because San Diego is in a pro-military area? We had large crowds of people peacefully hold signs outside of our base in Florida calling us baby killers, etc. Was it on the local news? No. Blogs? Um, no idea. Seriously, who cares? They are entitled to their opinions and viewpoints. Just because it didn’t make the news or recorded online, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
There’s still an ultra patriotic America that exists in large numbers within the society, that believes America is the America of yesterday, a moral country that can be great again if it can remove from its hide the fungus which infects it. With this I agree, but to these people Arbiter’s psychology is an alien hellscape. Most watch Fox, listen to Rush and think themselves informed citizens. The Truth flows through the right, however the great majority of these peoples’ intellectual curiosity will find fulfillment within the mainstream right tard-carnival.
Meanwhile the country browns unabated, men become women and wish to be led by same, republicans shove before their constituencies the next minstrel show, bloodlust for war intensifies and the culture in general degrades.
Arbiter is Red Pill.
Arbiter, if you’re trying to broadcast a “black helicopters are coming for me” obsessive nutburger vibe, then you’re succeeding beyond your wildest expectations.
To properly check your cheeses, consider a 3/4″ spade drill bit.
Arbiter, has it dawned on you that in assessing the carnage which is US Foreign Policy under Obama, Kyle – had he lived – might actually have AGREED with you? What Kyle was doing would only make sense if he had thought that he was laying the foundation for a peaceful, sane, and moral outcome in the Middle East – not if he thought that he was paving the way for ISIS to come in and butcher everyone.
tldr; == Don’t presume to know what he would have thought of this disaster.
Lighten up. It is hard for a movie producer to keep production costs under control. “Mustaffa” was a prop from Austin Powers that was available and easy to cut&paste into the script.
As for “baby killers” I have heard men who actually served in Vietnam parroting lines from certain well-known movies as if the rest of us hadn’t seen them too. And having served in the “airborne” as an airdrop tech have sat silent while guys regaled me with absurd tales of their parachute training on posts that had no such facilities. Had one fellow who served on a boat claiming straightfaced “Did you see that Chuck Norris movie about rescuing POWS, that was really about the specops work I did for the SEALS”.
I will say this, my sons and I have watched the Rambo trilogy countless times. It could only have been improved by adding Nicholas Cage, otherwise it is perfection in every line, every action sequence.
I agree. Anyone I ever knew who joined the military were scum. Sorry
I understand that there have been many over the past generation or two that have run into the arms of the military looking for a meal ticket, due to the civilian economy not being what it once was.
And although a veteran myself, I don’t take personal offense to the “scum” comment.
But even you have to admit that, of the millions that have served, there has to have been a few good men… amirite?
In assessing the Benghazi select committee headed up by Chairman Trey Gowdy (R., S.C.), there are two possibilities, and they are not mutually exclusive: (1) The committee is just a Potemkin probe erected by the Republican establishment to get restive conservatives to pipe down, and (2) the committee is incompetent… http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3265562/posts
Aha! Here comes the inevitable internet conspiracy dump from the kids who are too cool for conservative (I’m sorry, I meant Ne0kON) school.
Ease down, you frustrated fringy fuckwits. In another age you’d be at the post office handing out carbon copies of Lyndon LaRouche’s newsletter or on the corner with a sandwich board, hand bell, and that glassy look in your eye that no child has to be taught to avoid.
What’s telling is you can never be disproved: there is always One Level Deeper. You are living the X-Files, sniffing out conspiracy when the real threat is right in front of everyone’s face, same as before, not that exciting.
We stay affiliated with fellow conservatives because no one man can accomplish anything of lasting importance in one lifetime or on his own. Not Timothy McVeigh, not Anders Brevik, not Elliot Rodger — though they tried their best. It is simple logic to ally oneself with people who have other ideas so long as we are all moving in the same, agreeable direction. That doesn’t exhaust our options, there is plenty to do individually. But it does preclude spinning pure fantasies about people who are on your goddamn side just to make yourself feel special. As though you’re one of six people in the world truly In The Know, but only because the assassins haven’t gotten to you yet.
Life is more prosaic than you want it to be. If there were a lid to blow off of things, you wouldn’t be doing the blowing. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Chris Kyle was an honorable man and the very definition of alpha male if there ever were one. You, Orbiter, are a runt who isn’t fit to touch the hem of his fatigues. That you would take this opportunity to defecate a turd-tome of non-sequiturs on the occasion of honoring a man far better than you demonstrates just how disconnected from reality you are. It’s hilarious that you think the rest of the planet is suffering from your very personal schizoid condition.
Matt
So you are saying neo-cohens are our allies and anybody who says
otherwise is the enemy and an obstacle while moving along ” an agreeable direction” ?
There is nobody here who comes even close to you in an undisguised contempt for the fellow traveler, yet you are the one calling all the time for some kind of unity in thee fight against the common enemy that inhabits your head.
But then again, you are self proclaimed shabbos goy, oh pardon philo-semite
Yes. If there were one way to summarize everything I said, it would be the “neo-cohens are our allies.” You should get a job at Cliff’s Notes.
I understand where you’re coming from, Matt…
… but the only whiff I get these days from (ahem) neocons is the stink of wolves in sheep’s clothing… the sheep being those who merely ally with the political term conservative, the politicos of which fold faster than cheap cameras on issues racial…
… the former: enemies in the ranks, fifth columnists, whatever the term might be…
… in short, often more harmful to whites and the West than our actual avowed enemies.
Chris Kyle was an honorable man and the very definition of alpha male if there ever were one.
His wife? Average looking and married him at 28 after having been with many other men.
His ex-gf cheated on him, if the movie is to be believed.
Haven’t heard anything about him being hounded by women or having any particular success with women.
All we have is a) some sort of psychopath and b) killed a lot of people.
Honorable? You apparently believe individuals who defame others and constantly lie are somehow “honorable.”
What’s the alternative? The utopian fantasy of a separate peace, a breakaway nation of angels with purest virtue? So conceived and dedicated in blog commentary?
This isn’t about ideology, it’s about the folly of perfectionism — raising standards above not just what the era can yield but above what average human beings can bear. It’s a sign of a fundamental lack of seriousness about what threatens us.
The problem isn’t ideological. It’s strategic.
We don’t accomplish anything significant by declaring war on those who would otherwise be allies. They are not thoroughly corrupted or unsalvagable, it is only feverish thinking that makes them seem so. And then a few of us get together in a tiny place like this and work each other into a lather. The paranoia grows like mold.
None of our allies are perfect, and attempting to unify through purity tests keeps our group small and cultish and addicted to the end of the world (I look forward to it! Poolside!!). There are allies of convenience everywhere that we categorically dismiss them for one paranoid reason or another. Women, Jews, Negroes, half-breeds, deviants, spastics, conservatives-in-name-only, even heathens of the crescent moon — are all allies of convenience when taken a certain way.
We have to become large enough to know how to channel the energy of erstwhile enemies toward our ends rather than refusing to recognize the Union won (and was always going to win). This site itself is dedicated to fashioning one of those modern enemies into allies, reintroducing them to their role. Leading women or Africans to an understanding of their true nature is not a bad thing! It is their salvation. It makes their lives better. Win-win-win-win-win. Same goes for the rest of this lumpy, rancid “melting-pot.” Our enemy has asked too much from people who do not measure up to the prerequisites of freedom. We can help remedy that imbalance in our favor. And their favor.
One is otherwise becomes a clown, like this Fedora.
I mean, you sympathize with his cause while you intuit how preposterous he is, how impossible he has made the situation for himself and us. Why? He is a utopian no different from a Marxist, a character straight out of Huxley, Orwell, or Rand. He is ridiculous from the start because he is not responsible to the world outside himself. He is just an emoting machine with the imagination of a sci-fi novelist.
Enough about the end game, and how far away we still are from it. How about getting from A to B, then to C, before insisting so vehemently on the character of Z?
Matt
My pragmatic friend…
I guess my inklings are too deeply rooted in (and rooting for) the scenarios of Revelation Scripture…
… or perhaps I’ve been listening to too much Wagner, and taken to heart the lessons learned all-too-heavily by Wotan…
… a compromise of ideals, a compromise of Law, a compromise of the very pledges which became engraved upon the staff and the heart… and which gave authority…
… a confederacy of temporarily useful, yet ultimately deadly enemies… and the only way out in the end is to allow the false fortress to crumble under the weight of its deceits and compromises…
… and then hope that the conflagration serves to cleanse the path of whatever New Man arrives thereafter.
“We don’t accomplish anything significant by declaring war on those who would otherwise be allies. They are not thoroughly corrupted or unsalvagable, it is only feverish thinking that makes them seem so. And then a few of us get together in a tiny place like this and work each other into a lather. The paranoia grows like mold.”
How about applying this elegant reasoning to Arab/Muslim/Middle Eastern nations and their supposed threats of terribly terrible terrorism which has absolutely nothing to do with Mossad even though Netanyahu seems positively celebratory every time a terrorist attack happens (that was just a slip of the tongue when he said 9/11 was “good for Israel”, right?) Zionist propaganda has done a great job working you into said “lather”, King A.
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I find it sad as fuck that you didn’t know who CK was until you saw the movie.
I find it sad as fuck that you don’t know about the lies in his book that the propaganda movie is based on.
http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america
Oh, and:
7. Chris Kyle’s Family Claimed He Donated His Book Proceeds To Veterans’ Charity, But He Kept Most Of The Profits: The National Review debunks the claim that all proceeds of his book went to veterans’ charities. Around 2 percent – $52,000 – went to the charities while the Kyles pocketed $3 million.
But you’ll keep supporting their lie about giving the money to charity, right? Otherwise the terrorists win!
Hey Raven, here about his completely fabricated story about Jesse Ventura. He uses the insulting name “Scruff” in the book, thinking he would avoid being sued that way, while he identified the character as Jesse Ventura several times in the media, which was what made his book sales take off.
http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle
And on and on. Scruff said he hates America and that’s why he moved to Baja California. 9/11 was a conspiracy.
And on some more.
The guys were getting upset. Finally, I went over and tried to get him to cool it.
“We’re all here in mourning.” I told him. “Can you just cool it? Keep it down.”
“You deserve to lose a few,” he told me.
I was uncharacteristically level-headed at that moment.
“Look,” I told him, “why don’t we just step away from each other and go on our way?”
Scruff bowed up again. This time he swung.
Being level-headed and calm can last only so long. I laid him out.
Tables flew. Stuff happened. Scruff face ended up on the floor.
Typical neocon tactic: smear the true patriots with false stories. The story was proven false beyond any doubt in court. You didn’t know that, did you?
Guys, Arby’s on the warpath about Chris Kyle and he is also right.
“Guys, Arby’s on the warpath about Chris Kyle and he is also right.”
Me likes Arb because Arb is Red Pill and Red Pill is truth and truth is my agenda.
When Muslims become a majority in this country your nightmares will come true. You will have to convert to their worldwide cult or be killed. Thanks to our bleeding heart liberals who give them asylum en masse, this nightmare is inevitable.
The only thing the Muslims have correct is control of their women. The liberals are in power in this country because of the female voters. The loss of conservative values and national pride started when women started choosing our tribal leaders.
I’ll say it again: Don’t presume to know what Kyle – had he lived – would have thought of this disaster. It’s entirely possible that – had he lived – Kyle would have become even more Red Pill than any of us. PS: When TSHTF, I want a CK watching my back, not some d@mned innert00bular keyboard jockey dreaming of electric sheep.
As Arbiter correctly stated, Chris Kyle was a pschopathic killer who joined the military so could legally murder innocent people. CK would have never turned red pill, CK was a not a patriot at all and I imagine would have loved to pull a Lon Horiuchi if real patriots ever tried to take the country back. Kyle enjoyed killing innocent people. This man loved the current regime because it allowed him to kill like Ted Bundy with impunity. Eddie Routh appears to have been a far sympathetic character who wanted to protect his country and cracked under the reality of what was happening in the Middle East.
As Arbiter correctly stated, Chris Kyle was a pschopathic killer who joined the military so could legally murder innocent people.
I always knew Michael Moore was secretly lurking at the Chateau, like many famous people.
Arbiter is a raving lunatic. God, why the hell do we put up with his frothing at the mouth diatribes.
Fact check: giving 2% of profits is still “giving money to charity.” Nowhere was it said that 100% of proceeds were donated to charity.
God your bias is blinding.
I find it sad as fuck that you didn’t know who CK was until you saw the movie.
Please. I was watching “Louie” on FX since the pilot.
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Remember Snowball in Animal Farm? That’s the core-American male. Pussy whipped and government-whipped. Proud of carrying the whole sick mess on his back. He half-knows everyone who depends on him thinks he’s a contemptible sucker, but nobody else in sight can keep the lights on so he keeps on pushing the boulder up the hill. Because “somebody has to”. Because he thinks its right to do the right thing in return for nothing.
Maybe that’s what Jesus would do. But there’s nothing manly or moral about abdicating responsibility and letting crazy women and witless assholes treat you like a slave and shit on you and your posterity.
Oh well. You can’t talk somebody out of his value system.
You mean Boxer, the horse. Even though he was dimly aware that things were wrong, his only solution was “I will work harder”. Working himself to death. After which the pigs sold him to the glue factory and bought liquor for the money.
Dammit, that’s right. It was Boxer. Thanks for catching that.
It was Bernie the Bendover Helpmate, who follows titillating sex and work/life balance directives from Encorpera CTO Sheryl Sandberg so his wife can self-actualize her career potential. Rumors are afoot that Sandberg (soon to be Secretary of Defense Sandberg) will appear nude in an upcoming “Choreplay” sex guide manual that is already in the works for a blockbuster gender-com movie that will both amuse and instruct America’s co-workers and is predicted by many to eclipse “Fifty Shades of Grey”.
This everybody’s “a contemptible sucker” but me canard has got to be retired. It marks you as the direst kind of sucker there is — the one who deludes himself.
And so we see what happens when a community tries to form without the crucial virtue of humility. It begins eating itself. Gluttonous autophagy.
Language of occupation ought to filter in to our speech, and eventually to general speech. We are a conquered nation, maybe since as far back as 1954, depending on where you draw the line in the incremental conquest.
This isn’t to wallow in gloom. It’s to see reality for what it is, which is the first step toward finding the way out of the predicament.
1965.
1865
Isn’t that the year the 13th Amendment was ratified? So freeing the slaves led to our “conquest”?
For the first time ever, you may have a point.
I wonder what’s up with King A’s permanently snarky attitude. He sounds like a royal asshole.
The “Exodus” storyline is always powerful. Turn that shit back on them because at the end of the day, what the Left is attempting to do is enslave non-Leftists to the Leftist vision of the “good society” and co-opt non-Leftists’ labor in support of financing that society.
In other words; parasitism.
He was duty-bound to a corrupt elite and government that, not to mince words, hated his guts, and hates the guts of those like him.
I wouldn’t be as absolute in the military damnation; I mean, there are plenty of “Kyles’ in uniform and covert operations. In a U.S. context, ‘the military’ is, if not the only, the usual and expected place to go.
Moreso, I’d say ‘duty-bound to a corrupt elite and POLITICIZED ELEMENT OF the government that….. hated his guts…..”
Kyle wasn’t “duty bound” to the government or the elite. Yes, he took an oath to obey the civilian government’s orders in the person of the commander-in-chief. (Notably, officers do not make that same promise.) But that is a derivative duty of his primary or controlling oath, which is to the country.
All members of the military take an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Which is why it is a moment of great importance when we stop calling the Left our opponents and begin referring to them as the enemy — in this case, domestic.
[S]ervice to the traitors within is [not] anything remotely honorable or brave. It is, quite the contrary, stupid. It’s very stupid to fight for effete pussyboys, grotesque feminists, and diversity quota ingrates sitting in cushy offices who work tirelessly day and night to put the heads of white men like Kyle on plates.
If only it were that simple. The armed forces couldn’t function if taking the oath meant being considered a coward or “anything remotely honorable” whenever the civilian government changed direction. The military is an instrument, a passionless tool to effect ends determined by others, the more unquestioning the better. “Stupid” is at best a distant consideration resolved by civic ballot. The fecklessness of civilian leadership has nothing whatever to do with a man’s solemn and sworn honor — unless it becomes crystal clear that “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them.”
Whatever the clarity of that dire circumstance should be today, it simply is not so cut-and-dried a choice for the grunt. And that’s our fault.
Matt
The enemies of our constitution are internal. And they control the government, law, media, printing money, etc. We are not living under the US Constitution in any sense of the word.
There is no protection for monorities, which was the main goal. Minority, of course, is property owners. They need protection from the tyranny of the majority we have today.
Except we don’t even have that. The media is supposed to be the fourth estate that is anti big government, against government’s natural slide towards communism and lack of freedom.
The leftist control of both media and government alone is a MASSIVE problem that explains much of the problem. There is no voice with any power that can speak out against feminism and crazy equalist bullshit that is pumped hardcore into kids starting at age 3.
Because of game I have been meeting a lot of women under 25 lately. These millenials are so far brainwashed into leftism it’s difficult to describe. They are like programmed robots.
But today the same group of evil Jews controls both the media and the government AND all big companies that control public brainwashing, such as Twitter, google, facebook, etc.
Even the Wall Street journal and Fox News. Conservative alternative? Lololozlolzlolz
We are fucked. Only a revolution can work.
He was duty-bound to a corrupt elite and government that, not to mince words, hated his guts, and hates the guts of those like him.
I wouldn’t be as absolute in the military damnation; I mean, there are plenty of “Kyles’ in uniform and covert operations. In a U.S. context, ‘the military’ is, if not the only, the usual and expected place to go.
Moreso, I’d say ‘duty-bound to a corrupt elite and to the POLITICIZED ELEMENT OF the US MILITARY ……. that hated his guts…..”
Funny how it’s “expected” to fight for the Israeli lobby against the few Middle Eastern targets not run by U.S.-funded, pro-Israeli tyrants, the few M.E. countries that have supported the Palestinian resistance as the Izzies take the last 22 percent of their land through “settlements”, destroying their infrastructure and even beating and sometimes shooting them randomly in the street to provoke a reaction.
Yeah, fighting for that is “expected”. But not to join an organization that seeks to halt mass immigration, in the U.S. and in Europe. Because that is the second leg of the neocon agenda, as witnessed by the GOP now. And by their buddy parties in Europe, and by neocon media. Mass immigration for the West, and racial supremacism for the homebase, Israel. So a rah-rah patriot will ignore the mass immigration and go fight the Lobby’s wars. Very patriotic.
There was some guy from central Europe who complained about how the Jews were treating the Palestinians way back in the 1930’s
And where it is, the YKW connection. Give it a rest.
An eyeroll is all I’ve got left for this trite shite. C’est l’internet.
Let me get this straight. The paranoid syllogism goes as follows:
1) Israel runs U.S. foreign policy. 2) Chris Kyle, God rest his soul, was at one point remotely connected to U.S. foreign policy. 3) Chris Kyle, like 99% of Americans, is a puppet of the Jew and deserves to be exhumed and incinerated at Auschwitz.
Whatever gets your constipation flowing again, buddy. But no wonder we are losing our borders. Don’t do me any favors explaining for my side why we have to restore integrity to the immigration process. You just stay on your laptop gloriously announcing your enemies list over and over until the eschaton is immanentized.
The US government is the ultimate alpha presence of our time. The 800lb gorilla that has a say over all of our lives. Being it’s handmaiden does not make you it’s equal. You’ll always get the short end of the deal.
This is not the time for overt bravery like Kyle’s. It just makes you a target. Save it for after the apocalypse, when sacrificing your life might actually mean something again.
The U.S. government is the ultimate Blue Pill pusher. Remember that!
Well duh
“who work tirelessly day and night to put the heads of white men like Kyle on plates.” CH
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In the end its was another white man just like Kyle who put his head on a plate.
Whose idea was it to take PTSD patients to a shooting range?
Everybody knows you’re supposed to take them fishing.
Note how when he returned from battle he was cautious and paranoid, appropriate considering how many people he iced.
It was at his WIFE’S insistence that he ended up seeing a shrink, and ultimately letting his guard down and allowing himself to be vulnerable again. Yet he was still involved in a deadly game, handling PTSD veterans.
My take is that the wife feels guilty about pushing him to let his guard down, and that’s why she’s out there making such a big show about honoring his memory.
If he hadn’t followed her dumb advice, and allowed himself to adjust back to civilian life at his own pace, he might still be alive.
Wow. Twenty comments, and eight of them are from Arbiter. Yeah. Got it. You don’t like him. We heard ya…
Stay with it, Arbiter. It’s thankless work, but I appreciate it.
Killing an unsuspecting stranger from 400 yards with impunity = courage.
I wonder if these heroes would, or will, give American gentiles the same treatment once their masters label them as terriss.
I’m no fan of invade the world invite the world but snipers are very courageous. You get spotted and the enemy can come back with RPGs, Aks etc. It’s dangerous work. He was fighting a shitty war but he was personally brave….and a narcissist hence the lies. But still braver than any commenter here.
Amen to that
what do you call a black sniper?
snigger
I once got taken to task for using the word snigger by some SWPL whose education at the grammar school level was not all it could have been…
For the unwary: it’s a sort of contemptuous chuckle that has oft been provided by the posts of our resident house boy, the erstwhile t-h-w-a-c-k, not Blonde… James Blonde.
Anyway, since that time I’ve also attenuated my use of niggardly in polite company… sigh.. O Tempora! O Mores!
So much stupidity in this thread, I just had to comment.
I read American sniper recently (stuck at airport; limited options). I didn’t really like it – too little technical information. It pretty much sucked. A much better book would be Andy Mcnab’s book, Bravo Two Zero. Good movie too.
I‘ll wait for AS on Netflicks.
Now on to addressing the stupid. Cris Kyle was a killer. He neither denied, mitigated, nor bragged about this fact. Like it or not, It is individuals like this who win wars. Fuck his personality, honestly, morals (or lack of them). Nobody remembers William T. Sherman because of his work with the disabled.
What the hell do i care if you need maniacs like him to win wars we shouldnt be in? He was a loser who joined the navy and shit people from a safe distance and bragged about it every chance he got and inflated his kill number claiming it was higher than the official record. Fuck him fuck the movie and fuck this government of corrupt scumbag liars who deserve to be drawn and quartered.
As much as I hate michael moore, he was dead on about kyle. And btw, snipers dont win wars.
Again, with the stupid:
“What the hell do i care if you need maniacs like him to win wars we shouldnt be in?”
We(that’s you too, chief) need maniacs like him, or you’d be sucking British royal cock right now. Or French, or German.
” He was a loser who joined the navy…”
He was a SEAL. There is no such thing as a “loser” SEAL.
” and shit people from a safe distance…”
You mean ‘shot’ right? This comment shows – without a doubt – that you have absolutely no idea what a sniper does.
“…and bragged about it every chance he got…”
Not in the book , he didn’t.
“..and inflated his kill number claiming it was higher than the official record.”
No, he did not.He explained the difference between “confirmed”, and “unconfirmed” kills.
“And btw, snipers dont win wars.”
I never said they did. I stated that people like Cris Kyle win wars, which they do.
BTW- Cris Kyle, and snipers in general, save way more civilian lives then they ever take. Even taking into account the ordnance they often call in.
@Travis
“He was a SEAL. There is no such thing as a “loser” SEAL.”
I must know more SEALs than you do…
Ah the spell checking grammar police. If ever theres evidence a comment should be regarded as worthless, its the spell/grammar checks included.
And the obligatory reference to “WE’D ALL BE SPEAKING GEEERRRRRMAANN NOW!!”
Considering our tactics thus far have been “snipers and airstrikes” for over a decade, and all its done is create more terrorists, how is that the way to win a war?
A braggart is a braggart, whether its in his fictional book or not.
Im always amazed by how contradictory people can be in a few short sentences. World WarII drafted soldiers. Obviously, by your own logic, wed be speaking german if we sodnt have all those raging psychopaths to win the war? How did the government get ao lucky as to randomly draft all those patriotic psychopaths?? Oh that’s right they didnt and had to rely on propaganda to get them pumped for their coming horrors.
We(that’s you too, chief) need maniacs like him, or you’d be sucking British royal cock right now. Or French, or German.
Every… fucking… time. (((shakin’ mah haid)))
Both with the Cathedralese “we’d all be speaking German” canard AND the homoerotic projections about sucking cock. (((still shakin’ it)))
I got news for you, bub… right now we’re all speaking Ebonics and pidgin Spanish… AND figuratively doing that other thing on a cultural and political level.
So much for your “Greatest Generation” and their modern-day ilk.
“Courage” would have been for the Alabama Nat’l Guard to fire upon the 101st Airborne, back in 1957.
You know, sorta like how those much-heralded guys did at Lexington & Concord, that time when the gummint of the day came ’round to put ‘em back in their place?
“Courage” would have been for the Alabama Nat’l Guard to fire upon the 101st Airborne, back in 1957. // You know, sorta like how those much-heralded guys did at Lexington & Concord
Comment of the century.
For several generations now, white men are only brave when the gummint says it’s okay.
To be fair, that’s the case with everybody. Pre-65 Blacks called White teenage boys ‘sir.’ They are politically ‘brave’ now because they have the 101st Airbone on their side. As to black street crime or catcalling of sub-80 IQ individuals, that’s analogous to drunk courage, where a normal guy mouths off to big dudes and ‘approaches’ hotties because his prefrontal lobe have been temporarily disabled.
@bobo
“I just know more deals than you.”
Yeah, sure ha do buddy. I bet “you could have been a seal too, If you wanted!”
I used to work on the same base as Seal Team 6 in a support role. (I’m a submarine guy myself.) if there is a group in the military more obsessed with doing things right, and proving your worth than submariners, it’s seals.
This guys are mindbendingly good at what they do.
The chances of ever meeting a real SEAL is lower than meeting an active NFL Player. A lot of people lie about being SEALs. Real odds are about 1:43,000.
Both with the Cathedralese “we’d all be speaking German” canard AND the homoerotic projections about sucking cock. (((still shakin’ it)))
I got news for you, bub… right now we’re all speaking Ebonics and pidgin Spanish… AND figuratively doing that other thing on a cultural and political level.
This is what the enemy does. It injects politics into every personal judgment and cannot recognize virtue in an honorable opponent. It is beneath us.
A man may be honorable in the service of a cause we don’t recognize as good. He may not be honorable in the service of evil, but condemning the modern United States as in league with the devil is, again, a justification you get from the fever swamps on the Left. It is also manifestly untrue. Even despite our many diversions and backwards efforts and dumb choices, the United States has been and continues to be, on balance, a force for good in the world. The very fact that you and the Left get away with savaging its nature is evidence of its magnanimity.
We are not all speaking Ebonics and pidgin Spanish. We are, in fact, speaking here freely about how to avoid that future fiasco. I have faith that we can avoid disaster because faith is a prerequisite to salvation: why lift a finger to save what we believe to be unsaveable? It is easier to diagnose the disorder than it is to cure it, so many of us get caught in a loop of inactivity and complaint.
We have to avoid launching every disagreeable issue into the politisphere and universalizing it like a categorical imperative. That is the side of the devil, who knows spreading the lie that “The Personal is The Political” dissolves the “mystic cords of memory” that keep us united — or, if you prefer, United.
This commenter Travis Bickle is on our side. To shame him for “Cathedralese” is disingenuous and obtuse. Honoring stand-up men for their courage is an entirely separate discussion from how that courage was used (or manipulated). And the high-level connection between courage and cause is a yet another discussion in itself.
Matt
Matt, as usual, you remain more optimistic and magnanimous than I.
I cannot agree with your assessment of the US as a “continued force for good” in the world, merely because there are worse places.
And as far as what I’m seeing of the downward slide of pop culture (a true “force” in this society), yes… we ARE indeed speaking Ebonics and pidgin Spanish…
… as well as that alien Esperanto that most call ‘texting’.
On this issue, my esteemed colleague (if I may presume that privilege), we shall remain at odds.
“Courage” would have been for the Alabama Nat’l Guard to fire upon the 101st Airborne, back in 1957.
You know, sorta like how those much-heralded guys did at Lexington & Concord, that time when the gummint of the day came ’round to put ‘em back in their place?
Check that… Arkansas, not Alabama.
Yeah, yeah… I know… same thing, for all intents. 😉
Matt, as usual, you remain more optimistic and magnanimous than I.
I cannot agree with your assessment of the US as a “continued force for good” in the world, merely because there are worse places.
And as far as what I’m seeing of the downward slide of pop culture (a true “force” in this society), yes… we ARE indeed speaking Ebonics and pidgin Spanish.
But it was ever thus, and ever will be thus, till kingdom come.
Not optimism (dread modern term) but the virtue of Hope or Spes and magnanimity are essential to any victory. Without hope we can’t truly begin, without magnanimity we isolate ourselves. We don’t curmudgeon our way to success. We unite ourselves to the triumph He has already performed, Who gives us victory. The Old Account was settled long ago. The Sturm und Drang will in time will pass away.
This world is broken. We are pilgrims in a cess pool. That knowledge helps us keep perspective about the gloria mundi and not give our spirit over to it. There is devilry everywhere and in every era, taking the forms most appropriate to the age to cause maximum ruin.
Life is too great to give an ounce of it to cynicism. That’s a no-brainer for anyone whose eyes have seen the glory, who’s watched the vintage of wrath trampled out, who’s read the fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel, who’s seen the hero born of woman crush the serpent with his heel.
It matters what you marry your spirit to.
Matt
This commenter Travis Bickle is on our side. To shame him for “Cathedralese” is disingenuous and obtuse.
Sorry, old friend… Exhibit A:
We(that’s you too, chief) need maniacs like him, or you’d be sucking British royal cock right now. Or French, or German.
This is not “honoring men for their courage”… this is Cathedralese in the most tiresome sense of the “we’d all be speaking German” stamp… and with that extra smarmy South Park dialect, to boot.
I know you’re not obtuse… so I ask: Who’s the disingenuous one between the two of us in this case?
Bickle was making a cliched reference to great military victories of his country’s past. That you disagree with the significance or even the propriety of those victories has nothing to do with his intention. That’s what’s disingenuous or obtuse. He was emphasizing the importance of and honor in defending one’s country, not making a sneaky attack on behalf of the “Cathedral.”
His phrasing uses well-known cliches. You have performed the equivalent of condemning a phrase like “welshing on your bet” or “chinaman’s chance” for being racist. Those terms are not evidence of deep racism any more than Bickle’s was evidence of being an agent for the enemy.
Now, if you want to argue about the unconscious celebration of certain events you find unpalatable, that’s another story. But policing the language for insufficient awareness is the other side’s game. Suffice it to know that cliched phrases (and thinking) is not the final word on a man’s loyalty in this fight.
His phrasing uses well-known cliches. You have performed the equivalent of condemning a phrase like “welshing on your bet” or “chinaman’s chance” for being racist. Those terms are not evidence of deep racism any more than Bickle’s was evidence of being an agent for the enemy.
Well, having used “chinaman’s chance” myself often times here at the chateau, I don’t recall condemning the use of such phrases.
And when I say someone is using Cathedralese shaming language, it’s just as likely they’re unwitting participants in the brainwashing that has occurred over the past several generations.
I hold a special disdain for that “we’d all be speaking German/Japanese” canard, as you might have noticed.
But I don’t believe I’ve ever made Bickle out to be an enemy agent… more of what I would consider a “useful fool”.
And yes, I admit the irony that, in a meat-world conflict, he and I would probably be sharing the same foxhole. It’s only Cyberia that makes strange non-bedfellows.
They say the average person is willing to kill after four days without food. That’s all it takes. Four days.
All this talk about killing is wrong, blah, blah, blah, is exactly horseshit. No one would be here having this conversation if our ancestors hadn’t been some opportunistic, murderous muther fuckers.
And, yes, I’ll say it. Killing can be fun. At least Chris Kyle had the balls to admit it. And to do it himself.
The rest of you can stand at the border next to Michael Moore and throw your tofu at the enemy when they come. I’ll be next to the Kyles with my sniper rifle, picking them off from a safe distance. At least until I run out of ammo. Then I’ll be down in the trenches with everyone else. Lol.
Fucking A.
Poor Idiot
At which border Kyle was fighting?
Is it the same one you are ready to die defending?
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None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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“And, yes, I’ll say it. Killing can be fun. At least Chris Kyle had the balls to admit it. And to do it himself.”
Yep, dying for your neocon government. Brilliant SF. I would say the opposite of George Washington. You fit fight in with McCain, Hillary and Obama. Well at least you admit your pathetic neocon state.
“Ah the spell checking grammar police. If ever theres evidence a comment should be regarded as worthless, its the spell/grammar checks included.”
Grammar police? Me? No, I am barely literate. Just making sure you meant “shot”.
The rest of your rant is rife with logical fallacies. Next time, try commenting on what I actually said. Oh, wait…this one is just gold:
“And the obligatory reference to “WE’D ALL BE SPEAKING GEEERRRRRMAANN NOW!!””
Do you think we win wars with draftees like Tom Hank’s character in
Saving Private Ryan? It is to laugh. We win wars with people like George S. Patton ,and Douglas MacArthur. You have heard those names before, right?
Without hard men gleefully killing the enemy(and their civilian supporters) we would never had conquered the continent from the French, German, British or Native Peoples, and founded the US. The Union would have folded during the War of Northern Aggression, and we would have been picked apart. A failed state.
Bobo: I don’t know any SEALS personally. But lets try LOL’s descriptive on other occupations , shall we?
“He was a loser who was drafted into the NFL…”
“He was a loser who made the Olympic sled team…”
“He was a loser who qualified as a Scout Sniper…”
See what I mean?
Killing can indeed be fun… I killed a fifth of bourbon just last night.
All seriousness aside, it’s only fun when you don’t have to get the other guy’s fluids all over yourself… trust me on that.
These guys dumping on Kyle have no idea. I wonder if any were chaptered?
You assume they were capable enough to have had the opportunity to be chaptered.
The “enemy” was a nation that you fought because the sociopaths at the top wanted to kill some more people.
In other words, those were your enemies because you chose so.
, “It is individuals like this who win wars.”
Your ignorance is even beyond The Raven’s. Just curious as to what war the U.S. won over the last 30 years? We have killed a lot of innocent women and children. It is people like you who have destroyed this country with their blue pill bullshit.
I’m siding with Putin and Arbiter
Like Putin said, Arb is Red Pill.
The veneration of soldiers in the middle east is Beta as fuck.
It’s not like they were fighting the Nazi’s over there, really how “tough” is it to roll into a mudhut town with tanks, armed to the teeth and kill a few stone-pelters with a drone from a distance.
Like i said, it’s not like they’re fighting anyone that can fight back.
Saying the soldiers in the middle east are “alpha” is the same as saying that some psycho who has the “balls” to strangle a kitten to death is some form of heroism, because the kitten may have scratched his hand or something.
When your force is so disproportionate, it doesn’t take “balls” to fight.
I might as well take a can of insecticide and kill an ant-hill with it, and subsequently strut around with my arms in a V-pose screaming “Victory is mine, look how Alpha i am”
If the American army had any real fucking balls, they would pick a fight with the Kim’s in N-Korea, who DO have heavy armaments.
But for not so mysterious reasons, they stay the fuck away from N-Korea.
We won a war?
“Nobody even won a war by dying for his country. You win a war by making the other poor bastard die for his country.”
War is killing.
McNab is a self-described psychopath and many say that Bravo Two Zero has a lot of fiction in it. Some of the soldiers he served with call him a liar.
Lol the COTW demonstrates how easy it is for manosphere ‘red-pillers’ to fall into the myth over reality ‘alpha’ stuff.
Give em a break; some of them are still quoting Niel Armstrong
Again, thwack, your clumsy use of the semicolon betrays you.
You should be quoting Stretch Armstrong.
You should be confined to Pillsbury.
I’m sure there’s a jest in there somewhere, but it escapes me.
These sort of non sequitur comebacks seem to be a hallmark of negro culture, especially online…
… must be some sort of advanced level after completing the dozens school.
That may be, but at least we won’t be unoriginal, Greg.
Nor logical… and for the record, I don’t recall asking you a goddamn thing.
(yet another homage to your butt-buddy)
Recitation isn’t logic, either Greg.
Within any microcosm of the moment, be it a novel or a game of dozens, things have to “make sense”… i.e., be “logical”… or it’s merely claptrap at best, “bad art” at worst.
Negro specialties, admittedly, save perhaps jazz.
Stick to blowing your own horn… in all other endeavors you come up wanting.
Actually Greg, no they don’t. Some things are funny, and some things are not. Sometimes what is funny makes sense, sometimes it does not. What is objectively insipid is passing off clever lines other people have written as your own cleverness.
Elaborate lol.
lol
(I’ve mentioned before, but lowercase “lol” is the emoticon for “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot.”)
The guy was a liar and psychopath. I understand that he adapted to his environment to survive — fine. He did what we would expect. He’s not a hero. Nobility, not competence, distinguishes a hero.
How it fits into the myth vs reality aspect is the continued ‘liar/psycho/dark triad’ = alpha. Lying is weakness, plotted manipulation is weakness.
But hey YMMV.
The assumption of his being “a liar and a psychopath” is contestable to say the least, but in any event, that’s not why he is considered a hero. He is considered a hero for his courage, his coolness under fire, his skill, his right judgment, and the protection of fellow countrymen in a dangerous place. His accomplishment goes beyond mere competence to, in some cases, unparalleled excellence.
More Americans have seen his movie than any other that opened last year, and it’s not because they’re celebrating his Dark Triad. Nor are most commenters here. (Are any? Which?)
In any event, those who celebrate clinical disorders and deep neuroses are fools exaggerating to make a point, and unaware of their own exaggeration.
I consider legal verdicts on point to be strong evidence. You apparently disagree.
The qualities you are praising him for, you have no evidence for him having beyond “he served in the U.S. Military and killed X number of enemies.” We certainly have evidence of him lacking those qualities you mention.
So Kyle told some fish stories. Who cares? He also spent years of his life killing the very same scum who’re currently burning captives alive, throwing people off buildings, and bulldozing millennia-old cultural treasures.
Guy felt good about killing ‘em. And he was right to feel that way.
Matt, did you know that the U.S. has supported the holocaust of orthodox Christians? In the middle east they have supported radical Muslims in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, etc and this has resulted in the extermination of well over a million orthodox Christians. Bosnia had also seen many orthodox Christians die as a result of U.S. support for Muslims in that area of the world. There is a reason Putin is a hero to orthodox Christians in the middle east. American Christianity is about neocon support along with feminine and gay pedestalizing.
So much soap and lampshades.
Actually, no he wasn’t. He killed those who stamped out those vermin whenever they got uppity.
People like you deserve to be hung by their balls.
Worshiping soldiers that volunteer to fight illegal wars is one the most beta, blue-pilled things I’ve ever read on here. Chris Kyle was a useful goy, a murderous psychopath, and a shitstain on America. I’m highly disappointed with this blog.
When you come down to the essence of it he was nothing but an IDF mercenary in addition to be a liar and a psychopath
Bing manipulted to fight and kill for those who despise you whose main mission is your distruction is the ultimute beta
When they hail him as a hero with trumpets and waiving flags you know that another ” war on (f) terror” is just about the corner in which you are expected to kill or be killed those ” who hate our freedom”
Even dead you are going to be a tool, a bait for next one to take a bullet in the desert faraway from your home and everything that you should be fighting for
Oh, I didn’t know being alpha, and legality of the fight were inextricably tied together…
Tell that to the hells angels.
“He was duty-bound to a corrupt elite and government”-
Yes! He was also a liar.
You fucking guys talk all this bullshit about alpha this and beta that, when three-fourths of you are DC metrosexuals whose idea of being a man is ordering your meat medium rare, standing up to some guy named Chad in a Georgetown bar, and outwitting some vapid Yalie into dropping her panties for you.
You have now swerved out of your lane and are headed into oncoming traffic.
Listening to you shitbirds pontificate about Chris Kyle’s failings as a man is like listening to a bunch of fantasy footballers shit-talk the losers at the Super Bowl.
Go fuck a blender.
You mean it’s kinda like listening to Matt King pontificate about Game.
Raven is just another state-loving internet tough guy who is too afraid to approach any girl who isn’t a tattooed single mother pig. We need men who realize it all needs to burn to the ground.
Get fucked by a chainsaw, metrosexual faggot. There, how’s that for “pontificating,” shitbird?
The Raven
standing up to some guy named Chad in a Georgetown bar
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Excuse me but his name was Biff.
You can tell when some Blue Pill comes on this site as they stick out like a sore thumb with their corrupt government allegiance.
Excuse me but his name was Biff.
That Muffy! She’s such a “let’s you and him fight” rapscallion!
The Raven,
People who have never had to push their own limits, to really dig deep and find out what they are made of will never truly understand how satisfying it is and how alpha character building it is.
I look at these YKW hating bozos like I look at modern feminist women. Too much comfort allows them to form and hold illogical, senseless, and generally useless opinions.
To be a warrior is the pinicle of alpha. Those who don’t understand that must not understand our true natures, and therefore are not red pill.
It is easy to be an arm chair quarterback when talking about game.
It’s another thing to tell a man he is a pussy and doesn’t have what it takes to kill you when he has a gun pointed at you. (I’ll give you one guess what color the guy was.)
Don’t forget live-in-your-mom’s-basement-can’t-get-a-real-girl-wowjustwow
“I look at these YKW hating bozos like I look at modern feminist women. Too much comfort allows them to form and hold illogical, senseless, and generally useless opinions.”
Can you show how people who talk badly about the YKW are treated comfortably? Are they treated comfortably at work, college, and by the government? Why does speaking against the YKW get you thrown in jail in most of the West? The reason you say nothing about the YKW is because you are a pussy who wants to be comfortable. To complain about feminism, Hollywood, and the media and not see the YKW leading the charge takes a special kind of asshole or coward.
Are they treated comfortably at work, college, and by the government? Why does speaking against the YKW get you thrown in jail in most of the West? The reason you say nothing about the YKW is because you are a pussy who wants to be comfortable. To complain about feminism, Hollywood, and the media and not see the YKW leading the charge takes a special kind of asshole or coward.
Pretty much.
And getting thrown in jail may not have gotten to the Gulag stage yet, here in the West…
… but utter the wrong word at the wrong time and you certainly lose your livelihood.
@Bill
Keep telling yourself that kiddo. Unlike you, I’m unwilling to bow down and say that Jews have control over my culture. That connection is so insanely tenuous, and, if you know any actual Jews, you’d see that they can’t keep their own shit together, much less bend the entire west to their secret collective will.
You’re a pussy who has lived a comfortable life, because you don’t have to deal with any real threat to your life. “Speaking against YKW gets you thrown in jail all over the west!”
Cite your sources? Show me evidence that this is a widespread problem.
Oh that’s right, you can’t. Because it isn’t. You’re a scared little pussy who has never achieved anything of worth, and rails against the boogie men in the shadows who are secretly braiding washing all your opponents.
Oh, how convenient.
Top billing tonight is for top William. It’s Bill vs. Will. Will Will win?
“Cite your sources?”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/20/austria.thefarright
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/14/days-hosting-massive-free-speech-march-france-arrests-comedian-facebook-comments/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/france-cracks-down-on-anti-semitic-speech-arrests-provocative-comedian-for-defending-terrorists/
How despicable a cumstain do you have to be to deny that YKW are in control of the west?
OH NO, this f****t know Jews in his personal life. Who gives a shit.
There are hate speech laws in Europe and Canada as well, that go after those who commit the “crime” of being an “anti semite” and denying the European Baking Championships.
Google Sylvia Stolz, Ernst Zundel, David Irving, and Dieudonné you clueless dipshit. People are thrown in jail all the time for speaking against the tribe.
Right, at this very moment European Joos are fighting for freedom of speech and tolerance in Europe adapting:
“European Framework National Statute for the Promotion of Tolerance” a model law which defines the limits of tolerance”
It is safe to say that Orwell is turning in grave overwhelmed by jealousy. How in the hell he could not come up with such a brilliant concept as “a framework for promotion of tolerance which defines the limit of tolerance”
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“We need practical solutions and so we have prioritised the adoption of the European Framework National Statute for the Promotion of Tolerance.”
This Model Law, drafted by leading European experts and legislators, and supported by the EJC, defines the limits of tolerance, which is the demand for security. This is intended to be a pan-European law that for the first time deals with not only the general commitment to tolerance, but defines the values that needs preserving and the limitation of tolerance towards
minority groups who risk the security of other minorities and of their host countries.
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http://www.eurojewcong.org/EJC%20In%20Action/12344-ejc-president-moshe-kantor:-europe-on-the-cusp-of-new-dark-ages–at-forum-to-combat-anti-semitism-racism-and-radical-jihadism-.html
I look at these YKW hating bozos…
They always tell on themselves… whether a direct Sunstein shill or just another dumb ‘Murrican patriotard.
(((shakin’ mah haid))).
Bill is obviously correct, asshole. You are stupid or evil. Which is it?
Little bitch: you faggot pussy retard, they control everything women see on a screen starting at age 3. They give nonstop anti white man anti family anti decency message. Nonstop go grrrrl feminism. Disney alone is a huge tool of their agenda. There are zero females in the country who don’t love Disney.
Women are stupid and soak in all of it.
If you don’t understand the problem, you either don’t talk to women aged 26 or less, or you too are a faggot brainwashed millenial pussy (which is not your fault).
Which is it?
So The Raven’s refutation of Arbiter consists of “Fuck you”? I’m gonna have to agree with Arbiter on this one. What he says is just a little more substantial than “Fuck you.” The U.S. military is now a (largely unwitting) arm of the IDF.
Stupid ass. I’m one of the ones who know how to make it burn.
And fuck the state, Israel, and you.
No, I insist, fuck YOU. With a chainsaw in your faggot-widened ass, shitstain.
I think you’re looking for Arbiter.
Big scary internet blog post threat guy…
Dont do it man….don’t push CAPS LOCK…and get ANGRY…
retard.
Is that how you “make it burn,” ni88er fag?
What are you babbling about?
Teach us whiteys how to “make it burn,” ni88er Raven. We’re waiting to learn.
I’m not a n166er, you dumbass.
Hmmmmm? Is it important to make it burn? Or is that secret knowledge? Not so important? Make it burn, shitbird.
So you meant “great white egret,” shitstain? Not “The Raven” after all? I can see how that would be easy to misspell, SHITbird.
Is it important to “make it burn” faggot raven? Or not so important after all?
So sad you won’t teach me how to “make it burn,” big man. Big anti-Israel man. You even said you’re “one of the ones who know.” So maybe you don’t really know, after all? Such an idea.
http://m.goarmy.com/ranger.m.html#
Get it yourself.
When u gonna “make it burn,” big-talking ni88ger faggot?
Raven, you are the type of neocon gomer who comes on these forums spewing your Kool-Aid so that everyone knows just how ignorant you are.
In real life, away from your butt boy buddies, I kick your corrupt ass.
Go ahead and teach us how to “make it burn,” if you’re white. We’re waiting, knowledgeable one. You did say “I’m the one who knows.” Faggot.
Ease off the bath salts, junior.
http://m.goarmy.com/ranger.m.html#
Rangers gonna make it burn? When?
“Burn baby burn.” Lying ni88er faggot. What did you do to make Israel burn, shitstain?
You did say that I’m the “stupid ass,” right? So teach me, faggot. Teach me how to “make it burn.” You DO want to make it burn, right? Those are just empty faggot words, right?
You deny that you’re a ni88er. But you’re “The Raven,” amirite? Typical lying ni88er faggot. Teach us all, ni88er faggot. Teach us white boys what you know.
The Raven has modern American connotations: “Quoth the Raven, ‘nevermore’.” – Edgar Allen Poe.
It also has ancient Viking connotations: Odin’s Ravens enabled him to see all at all times, and also acted as his messengers.
You don’t know much about ravens. You’ve made the assumption that he’s a black man because he chose a black bird as his monicker. That ain’t necessarily so.
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Give Anonymous a cigar.
I have another “piling on” comment about how the Raven was the “Trickster” god of the Aleuts. He was their “Coyote”. Their “Loki”. The Raven was and is at the top of their totem poles, to show how important he was to them. I myself have an Aleut Raven carving looking over me as I write this (no joke).
Oh, and I do like a cigar. Avos will do, if Puros de Cubano no san disponibles.
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And apologies for being Anonymous. My job demands it.
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It pays to lie. Million$.
What catapulted American Sniper into the limelight was leveraging the Jesse Ventura lie. Backed by the publisher’s push, CK fanned the flames on MSM playing up the JV bullsh1t story. Sales soared immediately thereafter.
JV won a civil case against the CK estate. The slut widow is appealing. Doubtful she’ll win. In addition JV launched a civil suit against the publisher and is positioned well to win that. The hardest of cases to win: defamation for enrichment by reckless disregard of persons character.
Basically the publisher pushed through the JV lies in the AutoLieOgraphy and did no due diligence in fact checking. It almost seems like they rolled the dice- as if knowing by leveraging JVs name they’d $ell many copies and take their chances in litigation.
Fact remains however CK is a liar- and that’s the reason the masses know who he is. Not because he sniped a bunch of derka derks in the name of Ammurrrika.
Hero, eh… Liar…100%. Not just an embellishing insecure ego stroker, CK is a straight up bullshit on toast lying opportunist with no shame. Say what you will about JV or CK, the facts are in on this one and JV is in the right to defend his name and establish the truth.
While I’d rather have the youth look up to a CK than some rap hip hop ni66er, I’d also want them to know the truth. There is no honor in coming home from war only to shame a fellow servicemen for profit with a bull$hit story.
Also to note CK and wifey were in divorce proceedings when he died. Lol. And you know his slurr widow is just lurrrrrving all the fame and fortune from the book and film royalties.
Ya…nobody gives a sh1t about the truth. America likes a hero.
Murrrica!
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/20/american-sniper-chris-kyle-was-proved-a-liar-by-jesse-ventura-and-harpercollins-may-owe-the-former-governor-millions
Thank you for your sanity. My sentiments, exactly.
Hey “Raven”: What did you do to make Israel burn, shitstain? What did the “Rangers” do today–or ANY FUCKING DAY–to make Israel burn?
You DID say “fuck Israel,” amirite???????????????????????????
Or did I mishear you, lying shitstain Raven?
Excuse me, I meant “lying shitstain ni88er Raven.”
Oh dear. “Lying shitstain ni88er FAGGOT Raven.” There I think that’s it.
When will the rangers make it burn, shitstain Raven? WHEN. Fucking WHEN, big man? WHEN.
WHEN.
WHEN.
WHEN, big talker. Fucking WHEN. You said you’re one of the ones who know how to do it.
GET ON WITH IT, FAGGOT. The time is now, shitstain. Not tomorrow. Not next year. Not next decade. Show us what you got, big man.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-13/thirst-war-sen-inhofe-releases-fake-photos-russian-troops-ukraine
Show us what you got, ranger “Raven.” Show us what you got, ni88er faggot. SHOW US how you “make it burn.”
Nah, faggot Raven. That’s what I thought. You got nothin after all. Except pretty pink bows in your raven tresses. 😀
Lying fag.
Raven: Why are you waiting to “make it burn,” fag? Tell us why you’re waiting. Need just the right mood, lying faggot?
What are you waiting for?
Just from a Red Pill perspective, I am having trouble deciding which site is the most Red Pill out there, Zero Hedge or CH? I have been to a lot of websites in my time so this question speaks volumes.
I don’t know ZH. My top red pill sites are CH and Vox Popoli.
Arbiter: scary homeless man who runs a conspiracy blog from a public library computer.
Schopenhauer: Tourette’s Syndrome sufferer.
tldr
So… anyone who disagrees with you, Jason, is mentally ill? That’s a common smear tactic of hysterical leftists, to be redundant.
Quite simply, Kyle was a professional adventurer.
Had he been born Russian, he’d have been Spetsnaz.
Had he been born British, he’d have been SAS or SBS.
Had he been born Israeli, he’s have been Sayeret.
Alpha? Yes. Worship-worthy? Not particularly.
I’m not so sure we should be lionising a man like Chris Kyle. This blog is well-written and erudite, and one of the tenents of red pill philosophy is to be a well-read, informed man who eschews mainstream groupthink. If Chris Kyle had perhaps followed this ethos and – oh, I don’t know – perhaps picked up a book and read something once, he may have realised within 0.8 seconds that marching into a foreign country with a gun in an illegal war – to mow down people whose defense of their nation was their legal right – at the behest of corporate America and the self-serving American military industrial complex, might not have been the sanest thing to do.
“Illegal war.”
Hahaha aren’t they all?
Depends who writes the history books.
He killed barbarians. He was a white man who killed the enemies of freedom.
Any white man who kills in the name of nationalism should be celebrated by every real man.
It is shit like this that makes me think ISIS have a point.
Be a tough guy behind your computer screen you flaming festering faggot.
Newsflash: he killed innocent patriots who defended their country against bloodthirsty invaders. If you sincerely use an argument like “MUH ENEMIES OF FREEDOM” you deserve to be flayed and rolled in salt.
Problem is, this fellow might have just as easily and willingly killed a white mother holding her infant in the backwaters of the Pacific Northwest, had he been ordered to do so.
This is the crux of any “American Sniper” rah-rah-rahing.
Was he killing in the name of nationalism? Can you name the nation? This is not snark.
“Problem is, this fellow might have just as easily and willingly killed a white mother holding her infant in the backwaters of the Pacific Northwest, had he been ordered to do so.”
Mabe I am naive for expecting this, but why is it not sufficient that he wanted to kill “barbarians”? I know you guys like to be edgy, but Iraqis haven’t harmed Westerners, not then and not before that either. (I suppose attacking Kuwait would’ve harmed globalists)
Even if he wouldn’t have killed anyone ala Ruby Ridge, he would still be a scumbag. Killing muzzies (or, in fact, ANYONE) is only good if they have it coming. I doubt this holds true for the guys who died at his hands.
ho, you’re a muslim, so obviously it sticks in your craw in re American foreign policy and the deadly men who carry it out… your people, your blood, your anger… understandable.
My point is/was/remains that these elite military “heroes” are the same people who can and have killed innocent white moms with children in their arms… which sticks in my craw because THEY’RE my blood.
My anger is a bit hotter when it’s MY ox getting gored… if I don’t sound sorry enough when yours get gored, well… them’s the breaks.
But you should at least appreciate the fact that I’m not touting any ‘Murrican ‘heroes’ for killing alleged enemies, either foreign or domestic… because frankly, I see neither as justified at this juncture.
That said, on the scale of balances, there’s at least a small handful of justification for some of the activities overseas… but can you name one rational justification for killing Vicky Weaver?
Problem is, this fellow might have just as easily and willingly killed a white mother holding her infant in the backwaters of the Pacific Northwest, had he been ordered to do so.
Ludicrous. This is ideology above reality. And it’s a huge source of paranoia, as though the good ol’ boys — the Jacksonian Scots-Irish and God-fearing Christians who comprise the esprit de corps of the military, particularly at the elite level — were so corrupted as to be rendered unable to make moral judgments. Preserving their duty to judge rightly despite pressure to the contrary is what the American Sniper phenomenon is all about.
What’s going to save our decline from becoming complete catastrophe is the very integrity of our warrior class that you are certain does not exist. But it does exist — which is why you know Chris Kyle’s name. Everyone who celebrates his life celebrates virtue in difficult circumstances, even if his is a case of, “When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.” It’s not just bad strategy to align yourself against one of the last cultures on our side. It’s not just nearsighted to malign the character of the only modern institution still possessing the combative ethos necessary to triumph in this Cold Civil War. It’s a sacrilege.
You are declaring yourselves enemy of my country to assuage petty and distant fears of losing your race — a real concern, but not a proximate one that must dictate all tactics in the present. You undermine your own cause in the long term to take false comfort in the short. It’s abominable, even if you were Brave Truth Tellers, but you’re not even that. You exaggerate a small contextual truth into a universal, ideological code-key and then apply it crudely to present circumstance. In the meantime you sell out your country to a “greater cause” like any leftist ideologue would, who thinks he has bigger fish to fry than the preservation of the land of his fathers.
Matt
Ludicrous.
Ludicrous only if it were an imagined scenario…
The fact is, Vicky Weaver did get killed by one of (ahem) “our” trained snipers, on gummint orders.
And when ordered to do so, “American” military and police will turn their scopes on fellows like you and I… and lose not one wink of sleep.
The land of our fathers?
Maybe the fact that I’m only a first-generation American leaves me with less ardor for Old Glory… or maybe it’s just that I have lived to see the demise of the once-touted ‘American Dream’.
My takeaway from this post is not a pointless debate on Kyle’s character, but the nascent idea, which has to filter in to general public consciousness, that core Whites ought to decouple their loyalty from the Beast that they still think is America. This is a new front in the Red Pill rebellion.
Now here’s the comment-di-tutti-comments. Well-done.
Bingo. Whether Kyle was a grade-A douchebag or a reincarnation of Alvin York is a side issue.
[C]ore Whites ought to decouple their loyalty from the Beast that they still think is America. This is a new front in the Red Pill rebellion.
And here is where you cross the bridge too far. “The Beast” that you think replaced America is the product of an insular judgment in an age of communicative overload. You can pick and choose “evidence” off your laptop to make a case for anything while effectively isolating yourself from ever hearing a word contrary.
In other words: You have got to be fucking kidding me.
It’s time to renounce citizenship? It’s time to declare the American experiment such a failure that … what? We all have to move? Or do we have to perform a coup? Are these the alternatives you are laying the groundwork to make seem inevitable?
We created this country out of loyalty to the crown. The United States was born in English civil war. It was only when the crown explicitly refused our properly-ordered and legitimately-derived republican demands that we began formally renouncing the crown and declaring independence as a nation united. Other than not getting our way in all things, where has that happened today? We are letting off steam here. We are getting a cathartic fix. We haven’t done the necessary diligence to make a legitimate claim of tyranny. We have recourse other than revolution
You cannot be so susceptible to overheated, WWW-speculative theory for people to follow your schedule of armageddon. You have to present a legitimate case against the founders. You have to exhaust all options. You need much more heft behind you than connecting internet dots before you condemn yourself as a traitor.
You need to secure your legitimacy in ideas like, “We hold these truths to be self evident,” but all you’re presenting is “Bush Lied, People Died” OWS-level flimflam. Yes, we always must provide for the right and possibility of revolution — but your cavalier treatment of loyalty to your own country demonstrates your inability to go there. Loyalty means life and death. It means “our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” It is not like changing phone providers.
If you shoot at the king, you must kill him. There are no half-measures here. Is that really your counsel? Or are you just trying to out-do the last fellow rhetorically?
Worst of all, you cede our glorious history to the goons. You sell your birthright for a mess of pottage. You let them have the last word on this world-bestriding empire, how it will be used and how it will be remembered. You throw the baby out with the bathwater. You hand over this “last, best hope” to apes and charlatans the minute they find a tiny toe-hold of power.
When white men wake up, you get Dresden and Hiroshima, Final Solutions, forced famine, new and heretofore unimaginable movements of death. We create a desert and call it peace. But instead of waking white men up, you are renouncing your formal civic bond with them and urging them to flee from fags, fops, twits, and trannies.
Matt
If he had engaged in a little more choreplay instead of spending all his free time at the gun range he might be still alive today.
What do you expect, from suck a cisgendered fucki?
Hell… such a cisgendered fuck… aw, forget it.
I went to one of the Ivy League colleges and flip through the alumni magazine, and every page is dripping with hostility to straight, white, Gentile males.
Lord Horatio Nelson was not exactly perfect. He exaggerated his exploits and cheerfully impregnated the wife of a British Official (she named the girl Horatia).
And so on.
But this kind of waywardness merely describes normal human nature.
IOWs, the world is crammed with people with failings like Nelson, and apparently Chris Kyle. But Nelson deserves an 18 foot tall statue in the middle of London and Kyle deserved the 10 mile long funeral procession from Midlothian to Austin – where got the equivalent of a state funeral.
That bit about sheep-dogs knowing their own wolfish nature but channelling it for better purposes – is serious truth.
Be grateful,when the time comes for it.
The boys who went to Iraq and Krapghanistan are not patriots — they’re young men who wanted an adventure and, in many cases, wanted to kill people. That’s all. They don’t deserve our respect. And no white man who’s paying the tiniest bit of attention would risk his life or health for our explicitly anti-white, anti-man, heterophobic criminal government.
You ever known or talked to a vet from either of the above wars? The boringest dudes you ever met…… nothing in them….. dead eyes, dead minds, dead souls. Nothing in them worth admiring.
Man, I didn’t know you could fucking read minds? You know how every one of the millions of people who joined thought?
You sir, are simply amazing. True talent.
Your constant over generalizing, and lack of understanding of human nature is on brilliant display.
Well I joined, and ask any girl in my lovely rotation, my eyes are the liveliest of them all…
Your mom thinks I’m pretty interesting.
Hey man, let’s get off the mothers…
… I got off yours about an hour ago.
A forebearer of mine was among the most heavily decorated PT boat commanders of the 2nd WW. I got to know him pretty well.
Without going into detail, I will just say that somethings naturally come in a package, all wrapped up together.
Killing is done by killers.
He would forge orders to himself instructing him to attack flottilas of German F lighters. He figured that if he lost he would die and if he won they would not care.
He was right. He was most proud of his DSC from the RN.
See, Nelson was known for dis-obeying orders to withdraw and attacking instead. I grew up in a family that talked about that sort of thing at the dinner table.
The Royal Navy issues Distinguished Service Crosses?
Hmmm…
I mean the feeling you get from pushing your limits doesn’t last forever. It’s fleeting. I don’t agree that it help fosters any alpha characteristics.
http://www.myfitmatch.singles
Then never stop pushing. I recently took up powerlifting because I wanted to be stronger. Watching my body get bigger has been yet another reward.
Achieve something great, then stop? Sure, that won’t last.
Make a habit of identifying your weekends see and turn them into strengths?
That is the life of a champion.
There is a reason why many wives and husbands divorced after hubby came home from the war.
Because it’s the ultimate form of blue pill behavior.
What’s more Beta than to hang your life on the line for some unknown cause, sanctioned by unknown ‘leaders’ behind the curtains ?
To the woman this says “this guy will gladly slit his own throat for anyone who asks him to. He doesn’t even need any given reason, just the command is enough, now how am i supposed to believe this guys loyalty lies with me and his family ?”
Soldiers are the ultimate Beta’s.
I recently bedded an old flame who’s BF (A Soldier) was send out to Mali in September last year, he was gone until early in December and i’ve been banging her good and hard all that time.
We had not seen each other in years, until we ran into each other a few months before her BF was sent to Mali, after we met again, and connected on FB she did not make a single entry in her timeline that featured him EXCEPT for the one entry that said she was waving him goodbye at the airport for a mission in Mali for three months.
To me that was all overt “i want you to mount me” signaling.
The majority of the responses on the “manosphere” to American Sniper and the negative comments about Chris Kyle have really opened my eyes to the lowlife morons hanging around “the manosphere.”
I guess I shouldn’t get irritated when the average commenter sounds like Arbiter or Mike.
Hey, Mike: so all the people you know who joined the military are scum? I hope we meet.
And Arbiter and Mike and the rest of your types—you really must be impressive specimens of manhood to despise Chris Kyle. I mean I am sure if I saw your physiques,resumes and accomplishments I would understand your contempt of anyone in the SEALS or any other military organization.
Because I know that only the finest specimens of manhood who have accomplished the most amazing things in their life are on the internet slandering dead American soldiers.
I bet both of you are bangin’ models and poppin’ bottles in the evening after counting your entrepenurial wealth, then lifting heavy and eating paleo.
Because with your charm and insight I see how you must really be “mpua’s”
–“Master” pick-up artists with manly and exciting lifestyles. Not like you two could be bitter losers with pot bellys who wouldn’t dare to bad mouth a live SEAL in person. I am surprised such successful, charming and insightful folks such as you are bothering to share your valuable opinions.
Who here thinks he could run, lift, jump, swim, fight or shoot like Chis Kyle? Who here,(well, besides Mike and Arbiter and their compadres) think they are really such superior specimens of manhood they can fairly talk trash about a dead SEAL with an amazing military record who isn’t here to defend himself?
I would like to meet the brave guys who said shit like this to Kyle when he was alive.
Really, so many of you come out at this point to vomit acid?
And I understand why Arbiter, Mike, et. al., take Jesse Ventura’s side in any argument with Kyle. After all, good old Jesse is a 9/11 “truther” so he clearly shares your deep insight into America.
When I was in the Marines,it seemed like every single one who had ever been in Vietnam, when he had enough beers, would tell a story where he “killed a gook with an e-tool” when his firebase, (of course the closest one to North Vietnam) was overrun. We joked that e-tools took more lives than M-16’s according to the stories we heard. Soldiers tell stories.
I read way more offensive comments and crap above than I heard from Kyle’s book.
Anyway, if any of the negative commenters above could fight or fuck, they wouldn’t be making shitty comments. Real men don’t say shit like that. Who the fuck with a decent, real life writes that no man who went to Iraq or Afghanistan is worth admiring.
If you can’t admire any man who went to Iraq or Afghanistan, can you admire any man.
I never heard so many comments from so many Gammas in my life.
Go ahead, make all your self absorbed shitty little boy Gamma comments.
Comment of the Week to the Comment of the Weak.
Maybe you should give the article a read before you espouse your deluded views that military service is even remotely Alpha.
Even the beta bullet catchers are waking up to their own slavish attitude.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/sunday-review/please-dont-thank-me-for-my-service.html?_r=0
Being a soldier is the epitome of Betatude, nothing screams “I’m a willing slave” more than being a soldier.
That’s why their wives are going nuts on the cock carousel whenever their diligent house-slaves are overseas in a war zone.
“killed a gook with an e-tool” when his firebase, (of course the closest one to North Vietnam) was overrun…
I shit you not I heard that one too, word for word.
Heh. I have a comment that seems to be hung up in moderation that almost exactly mirrors this. So instead I will just say kudos to you, fellow Anonymous.
It’s not bragging if you can do it. And anyone that wants to critique you whilst you are doing it… they are like the “movie critics” of life. They are the eunuchs. It’s fine to hear out their critiques, and in some ways they might have useful “pointers”, but don’t for a minute think that you are hearing advice from your same species.
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“””After all, good old Jesse is a 9/11 “truther” “””
Apparently as opposed to you, 9.11 liar.
“Go ahead, make all your self absorbed shitty little boy Gamma comments.”
You’re off to a great start sir anonymous gamma.
There are more dimensions here than the either/or of CK being a hero soldier or not.
Disregarding his fame, fortune and AutoBullshitography and looking purely at his military record from what we know: a highly skilled soldier and American patriot he was. And a much better icon than Chris Brown or the hip hop ni66er du jour for the youth to learn about and look up to.
However we wouldn’t be having this discussion if it weren’t for the fact he willfully and knowingly fabricated a story by defamaing another American soldier- in addition to a handful of other fantastical lies.
That’s a big difference compared to your camp fire stories over some brewskys.
Attack JV’s character and try to make this a splitting JV vs CK issue for your own frustration with other opinions. But you, as a marine should be owning the fact that CK’s defamation of JV has no honor. Your opinion of JV is not cause for excusing that fact.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/kyleclaims.asp
I still have my entrenching tool hanging in my garage… we were supposed to turn it in, but they shorted me on a field jacket, so I kept the damn thing.
Never killed a gook with it… but many a groundhog over the past few decades felt its wrath.
I guess what I’m trying to say is, although you won’t find me talking any stuff about this Kyle fellow directly, I reserve the right to pass harsh judgment on the country and institutions I myself served directly.
So fuck you all, save nine. And I mean that in the best way possible.
Greg Eliot
I still have my entrenching tool hanging in my garage…
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Don’t most spades hang around the liquor store?
[CH: that was kinda funny, but still, are you gonna pull this routine for 50+ comments? check yoself]
At Schloss Eliot, they hang around the perimeter until a tree opens up.
Always remember that the chief attribute of the Alpha male is leadership, which can be read as refusal of servitude to anyone, including the military.
RREALL mensch OBEY!
Cretin
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An early Red Pill (anti-gov variety) moment for me was in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. I was watching Fox News because not librul, and Sheppard Smith did this thing where he showed a slice-of-life clip from Iraq television. In it, there were goofy looking regular Iraqi guys at a bowling alley with their families, bowling to a cheesy Arabic song that was playing. Smith chuckled and said something snide about the culture the libs are trying to protect by opposing the invasion.
Me, a Bush patriotard at the time, I thought: “why do you fee so compelled to destroy those harmless nice people?”
I find it hilarious how Klye is supposedly a hero because he killed innocent men defending their country from foreign invasion…because those men didn’t worship Christ or the West.
The standard argument that muzzies wish to slaughter Westerners is retarded: it is difficult to blame those in Iraq for such things when the US is getting away with murder internationally, literally. (let’s not mention the support for Israel)
There is the argument that leaving them alone wouldn’t make a difference, but when was the last time that happened? (no, Barbary pirate thugs who go MUH KORAN don’t count)
Simo Häyhä was a hero since he slaughtered scores or Russian invaders in the most difficult conditions while being woefully underequipped. He deserves the respect of anyone, even his enemies? Kyle? He participated in an invasion against a country that literally, LITERALLY, did nothing. Like, Nazi Germany had more justification invading Poland than the US did invading Iraq.
He made statements that put him sqaurely in the same category as barbarous ISIS scum by claiming that he would like to shoot every one holding a Koran. There is no difference.
If you needed any more evidence for his poor character, his ridiculous dishonesty and shameless profiteering should’ve tipped you off.
Being a formidable waster of human life is not deserving of respect, especially not when you are in lavish oversupply like most American killer for hire are.
Related: http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7360-american-hubris-at-the-movies/
All successful professional soldiers have looked for the big pay-day. It is naive to expect otherwise. And, sit down for this, they generally like to drink and fuck more than most guys.
Most of the great country house in England were the result of monetizing military glory, one way or the other.
And they mythologize their exploits, generally.
Shit, doesn’t anyone read Herodotus anymore?
A lot of the comments here seem filtered through Medea Benjamin and Code Pink or the manginas at ANSWER. Hint: copying the rhetoric and attitude of hysterical women and manginas is not a wise strategy.
You can read the book for yourself; and decide. I found NONE of Arbiter’s comments sustained, rather the opposite. Kyle seems VERY Alpha:
1. His widow writes in the book that when she first me he told her drove an ice-cream truck for a living; he only admitted he was a SEAL when she pressed him. She relates that when first dating he would BS girls that he was a Dolphin Waxer, that Dolphins in captivity suffered skin degradation and needed their skin waxed.
2. Kyle gives his reasons for joining the Navy and SEALs, he wanted adventure and excitement, his injuries as a rodeo bronc buster ended that career, he could not stand working in an office or at a computer and hated school.
3. Kyle clearly suffers from PTSD in the book, blood pressure way up, heavy drinking after he left the SEALs. What bothered him was the men he knew who died right in front of him: the 18 year old Marine on top of him in Ramadi, the SEAL buddy at Sadr City.
4. His wife’s main complaint was his stoicism and lack of letting her in; a far better way and more Alpha than beta male cloyingness.
5. Kyle details that every shot he took had to be within the ROE, very restrictive and more so as the war went on. In his opinion, the ROEs were designed to protect Admirals and Generals from Senators and Congressmen. He regrets the lives he could not save by sniping. He “knows” how many official kills he had because every shot was documented with eyewitnesses, otherwise he would have literally faced murder charges.
6. Kyle goes through shots he DID NOT TAKE: a kid dragging an RPG at Sadr City (he was not shooting a kid, was confident he’d kill the adult male who showed up with it later); spotters without weapons looking and peeking at US troop movements; men with weapons moving AWAY from the battle or US troops.
7. The WMD Kyle mentions were rusty chemical not bioweapons stuff, and the neo con NYT has reported on aging Saddam era Chemical Weapons. Quote: “From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.
In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.”
8. Kyle had no real opinion on the justification for the War, as he did not care: he went into battle where he was ordered. For the record, the Iraq War is entirely consistent with FDR’s 1944 promise to King Faisal to protect the Saudis, Ike’s overthrowing Mossadegh, the 1979 Carter Doctrine promising US Military dominance of the Gulf, Reagan arming Saddam against the Iranians, the US Navy under Reagan sinking Iran’s navy in 1988, Operation Desert Shield in 1991, Operation Desert Storm in 1991 (the Gulf War), Operation Desert Fox 1998-99 (Clinton’s bombing of Iraq), and so on. Every US President since FDR up to Obama had as official US policy US military domination of the Gulf, and many (Ike, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush) killed people, started wars, invaded countries, and overthrew governments to do so.
This is because the Gulf nations can pump oil at a profit at around $50 a barrel and budget break even at around $70. Other places have more oil, but only the Gulf has the most cheap oil. Me I prefer to drive from the suburbs than walk from a Megacity One housing skyscraper, YMMV. I’m happy for 70+ years of US policy assuring relatively cheap oil. And I’m happy to kill lots of Muslims to do it. Again, you might be a SJW happy to live in the mud to save Muslims. I’m not.
8. Kyle had a low opinion of Iraqis, noting no nationalism or feeling on any side, just tribalism, jihad, and opportunism.
9. Kyle notes a long tradition of tall tales by the SEALs borne out of frustration at not being able to say much of anything about what they do.
10. Kyle repeatedly says the SEALs had no greater amounts of bravery than the National Guard or Marines or Army people he frequently praises, just far more training.
11. Kyle’s specific mission was Overwatch, where SEAL teams would deploy heavy, snipers on top, other crew members on the bottom floors of buildings to provide fire, and shoot people attacking patroling Americans, or barrier builders (Sadr City) or just people attacking the team itself. The teams would wait for jihadis to attack the troops they were providing overwatch for or themselves and counter-fire.
12. Kyle comes across as an intelligent, ADD, energetic White guy who loved action; much like “Ghettoside’s” LAPD Det. John Skaggs. As Steve Sailer noted about Skaggs, there is a whole class of White guy who does not like sitting at a desk or paperwork. Kyle in the book avoids promotions and desk jobs because he likes action. And hated ass-kissing power point presentations.
I find much of the criticism of Kyle a CLASS snobbery thing right out of Alternet or Code Pink. Yeah, Chris Kyle was a working class guy whose idea of a fun time was ranching, hunting, or bar fights. Maybe if you’re a NYC guy that’s not your thing, but believe me the benefit of these guys is they never BS you — you know where you stand and for them, courage counts for most everything.
IMHO Chris Kyle was an Alpha guy, one who should be mostly copied.
I’d much rather have these guys than say, vibrant diversity people in the military because its a check on the power of vibrant diversity. The idea that ADD, energetic, work-a-holic, smart White guys are going to suck it down and work at a desk instead of Law Enforcement and the military is a non-starter. Personally I think Mao was right, power flows from the barrel of a gun not the right moral/social attitudes. I’d rather have these guys where they are instead of say, Chris Dorner. YMMV.
You know it just hit me that if you want to test the waters for who is still struggling to swallow the whole Red Pill completely then place a post like this up there.
I believe that there are men who join the military with sincere motives of honor, courage in the name of truth. Kyle was not one of them as Arbiter clearly points out with strong evidence. The problem is of course, the U.S. is using these people like tools for evil. No doubt this a hot button for Americans because the patriotism has been programmed so deep in our culture that it seen as traitorous to even hint that there is something wrong going on.
The human component is like this. If a child is being abused by his dad it is often hard for the child to fully come to terms with the truth because the child subconsciously struggles to admit that his dad is bad for various coping reasons.
People seem to have this huge need to believe that Chris Kyle was abused as a child. I have lived among his kind of folks. There was discipline; sure, but guys like CK already understand that they have it coming. You will never hear them say “This is not fair.”
When I got “disciplined” for putting a recently honed surplus Lee Enfield bayonet thru my brothers foot, I did not feel like I was being abused.
Too bad that “red pill” sites attract Leftist partisan personality types: ever adolescent, disappointed and attacking American culture.
That’s right, we are the problem with the world. Yeah, “strong evidence” that the U.S. uses the military for evil.
If you burn 3,000 Americans alive in New York after a decade or more of attacks we might fucking well overreact.
Believe with Elizabeth Warren that the economy is a rigged game based on exploitation and deceit rather than on innovation, productivity and competition.
According to these posters patriotism and love of country are out of bounds and boob bait for bubbas.
I need someone to explain the insane hatred American Sniper excites in lefty’s.
These posts sound like they were sent in by Reverend Wright: “God Damn Amerika!! The chickens have come home to roost!”
I am afraid that “red pill” sites have become home to a certain percentage of individuals who simply do have caustic hatred rather than amused mastery.
Im just glad Chris Kyle got killed by his own kind in the end. He was part of an illegal invasion of a sovereign country. Murdered men, women and children who were defending their own land. Called them savages and sub human…. It makes me happy that a fellow soldier shit him dead. The world is a better place without him
[CH: sloppy troll.]
“Worshiping soldiers that volunteer to fight illegal wars is one the most beta, blue-pilled things I’ve ever read on here. Chris Kyle was a useful goy, a murderous psychopath, and a shitstain on America. I’m highly disappointed with this blog.”
The level of neocon bootlicking faggotry on this particular thread is indeed surprising. There are a lot of sharp guys here. WTF?
The last war that benefited the average white American was the Mexican War.
100% True! Also, I remember Dr. Revilo P. Oliver saying he considered the Mexican-American War to be the only conflict in American history that the US justifiably entered.
That’s true. Unfortunately, we are losing the current Mexican American war. 100 million Mexicans have invaded the USA, with no reprisal.
I spend a lot of time online at a site chock ful of not “ne0c0ns,” not, “not quite ideologically pure libertarians,” but straight-up unapologetic full-blown progressives/liberals/actual communists.
They sound exactly like a lot of these “I’m-ALPHA-as-FUCK” commentators.
It appears that there are many things you little boys do not understand. The testing and screening process is looking for people capable of extinguishing human life through a scope. This is a more-than-necessary skill for any military. Not just snipers, but all soldiers, airman, and sailors do not pick their assignments, are not consulted on our wars and police actions and obey every lawful order given to them. There is absolutely nothing “alpha” about kicking in a door or leveling a village to prove that you do not “have to’ stand off at 1,500 yards for a head-shot to take out someone with surgical precision. It is both humane and measured warfare. Every shot prevented an at the time or future potential casualty of ours, or the possibility of collateral damage when the same guy would have to be dug out of his village or hut.
I bet some of you really got your little peens hard denigrating a man who not a single one of you could accomplish his most minor feats.
Whaddaya know? More bootlicking faggotry….
“Every shot prevented…” “Every” shot, huh? FFS…
“There is no such thing as a loser SEAL…”
Jesus H Christ do you fawning faggots actually listen to yourselves? And this particular chicken hawk cheerleader actually calls clear thinking men who are not genuflecting to fellate this proven liar trash “little boys”? Hahaha
Not a fan of Freud but daddy issues is the only thing that explains this pathetic faggotry.
I got two words for your ‘surgical precision’ rah-rahing patriodardery:
Vicky Weaver
Stop by some day and we’ll compare peens.
“Every shot…”
“…his most minor feats.”
“There is no such thing as a loser SEAL.”
Hahaha
Do any of you fawning faggots ever stop and listen to yourselves?
So let me see if I’ve got it — anyone who is not (like you) genuflecting to fellate the corpse of this proven liar is a “little boy” and probably a communist. Haha
Bill Kristol is still chuckling about how easy this shit is. Pathetic.
On a side note: the “awaiting moderation” bot of this verkackte WordPress software is fast becoming tedious and insupportable.
I’ve got too many comments floating in Limbo… and it isn’t fair that so many of you fine fellows should be delayed an education.
especially us black guys.
*a mind is a turrible thing to waste*
Droll.