CH gets a lot of phone screenshots from readers eager to impress with their chat acumen (chatumen?) or seeking answers to some or other befuddling parry from a girl. This recent entry is a good one and worth sharing.
There are multiple game principles in play here. See how many you can identify. (The girl’s replies are in white background. These are three different girls btw.)
“Don’t worry, you will” is a classic jerkboy charm offensive. Memorize it. Notice too how the reader agree and amplifies when she teases him about being bffs. And then there’s the massively arousing neg at the end — the supreme disqualification — when he says he might replace her.
Sexual intention signaled.
“Number” is the new “gay”.
“Get to the point” game.
Chicks dig bossy men. Feminists, as per usual, wept bitterly.
Great jerkboy charisma game on display in these chats. Well done, reader. You are an honorary CH viscount.
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Why are they asking for a phone number; don’t they already have it since they are texting the person?
i’m guessing it’s tinder or something like that.
It’s facebook chat, notice the colours.
right. missed that.
I haven’t seen Facebook in a long time, but I don’t recall being able to PM/chat with people I wasn’t “Friends” with, has something changed? Presumably he didn’t know these girls beforehand, right?
I haven’t seen Facebook in a long time, but I don’t recall being able to PM/chat with people I wasn’t “Friends” with, has something changed?
No, I think you’ve always been able to chat with people on Facebook.
Presumably he didn’t know these girls beforehand, right?
Apparently not, since one asked, “Do I know you? Lol”
I know you could chat, just thought you had to be “Friend” first. Guess not.
no you can send them messages that’s really the same as chat
You can message someone who’s not a friend, but it ends up in the “other” folder instead of the inbox, and they don’t get a notification.
How hard is it to get a number? I give mine to practically anyone who asks. But I don’t have some online dating account.
Give me your number!
Hmm. No. I was lying for the sake of attention, actually. Shrugs. I’m a girl. Birthright and all.
Innate dishonesty would surely be considered a birth defect though, would it not?
“Innate dishonesty would surely be considered a birth defect though, would it not?”
For women, it’s not a bug it’s a feature.
To the tune of “Creature With The Atom Brain” by Roky Erickson.
Feature of the female brain
Feature of the female brain
Why is she acting so strange
Do you think she’s one of them?
Threw her purse right down
Ripped her heels off
And threw them on the ground
Feature of the female brain
Feature of the female brain
No one bitches like that
No one bitches like that
Feature of the female brain
Feature of the female brain
Feature of the female brain
Feature of the female brain
Why is she acting so strange
Do you think she’s one of them?
Feature of the female brain
Creature With The Atom Brain
Think it’s Facebook chat, isn’t it?
When in minimal-effort mode, I like to shorten “Number” to simply “#”
Good stuff.
I see younger guys ending most their written sentences with “lol” almost in place of a period. Is this a filler like “ummm” or “know what I’m saying” or a safe way of doing a smiley face?
Shrugs. I hate bad grammar and incorrect spelling, especially because I struggle with spelling correctly myself. I think guys who don’t write properly are guys who cannot write properly. It’s a complete turnoff to me. Why not write well? Are there girls who will like you less for it?
On this, we agree. There’s a difference between a typo on a post you cannot later edit (such as on this board, for example) and people who legitimately write like GBFM and make themselves look like a fool. One can be concise and to the point without having to devolve into writing like a street thug.
The two of you commenters should fight it out. @PA it’s because they think the interlocutor is on board, and are trying to establish solidarity in an abstract manner. This usually fails.
;3
I’m personally disappointed that emoticons and ‘lol’s work these days. I never use them, ever. But if they do, they do. Guys are gonna do whatever works, so more power to them in that regard. But I still won’t use them, regardless.
Shit, I’m doing it all wrong lol
I type with perfect grammar/punctuation/etc. in texts. If the girl types like a retard I send “I have no idea what that says. Proofread your shit.” They end up texting me with proper writing and they continue to text their friends with retard-text.
There’s a very specific type of girl who’s turned off by “lol”s and emoticons but usually they’re easy to spot (they’re the ones who don’t use them themselves and like extremely dominant men). I’d say they’re like, 10%, it’s a very small number of them. With those ones I just pick up on it and drop that stuff. But like 90% of girls give no fucks.
James Bond txting and standing around in a club with a scowl on your face only works when you have high value. It’s okay to have fun and enjoy life around women lol
In a room full of winsome lovelies the last thing I’d want to do is stand around texting with a scowl on my face (or even with a smile on my face). Even if I liked and approved of texting. It would be like deciding to start fasting upon entering a high end restaurant.
“There’s a very specific type of girl who’s turned off by “lol”s and emoticons but usually they’re easy to spot ”
They hang out on Game blogs with dudes they don’t know instead of dating websites.
@Burninator
lol I meant the two actions separately. Trying to be James Bond by txting aloofly, or trying to be James Bond and standing around with a scowl on your face, only work when you have high value.
That said I agree with you, don’t spend your night at the bar txting. Guys should try leaving their phone at home a few nights out…it’s good for shoving in your face just how much you instinctively use txting to avoid interacting with people when you keep reaching for your pocket only to realize “oh right, it’s empty”. None of us had cell phones back in the day lol
@YaReally
Dropped you a short, time sensitive email. Please take a look in the next couple of days if ya can. Thanks!
@Lumpy
Check yer E-Mail.
Why do insist on hating on 007 Ya? I haven’t watched one of his films in a while, but to my recollection he didn’t get the girls by standing in the corner of the casino with a scowl on his face.
I see younger guys ending most their written sentences with “lol” almost in place of a period. Is this a filler like “ummm” or “know what I’m saying” or a safe way of doing a smiley face?
In some contexts, I might use it, mainly so I don’t come off as too assholish or butthurt. But since YaR uses it, I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as a smiley. Well, other than :-p, which is more like lol
I always just say (whenever I receive a =P-type text), “Oh, it’s a little early for you to be licking my cock like that. I’m not that kind of guy.” Works every time.
what’s a p-type text?
YaReally referred to it(lol) as ‘social lubrication’. It’s very effective with women who are entrenched in digital culture, smart phones etc..
Just for accuracy, I’ve never used the term “social lubrication”. Lols are fine though. Texting has changed since 2005 when it was a new thing. You can txt a bunch now, and be expressive and send meme pics, it’s all good.
When txting was new it was like people got 3 or 4 txts a day. Txting 10x in an hour was weird then. Now chicks (esp the young ones, but even the older ones) are txting constantly, and probably blow through 100 txts a day in total. You don’t have to restrict it to one or two aloof txts…carve out a chunk of time and be memorable, just make sure your txts are solid and use game and push things forward instead of just being gay fluff talk.
I’ve got a few like this: “I’m not giving out my number” or “it’s too soon to give you my number”
My response is to leave it. Then just “k”.
If you can sense that she’s being playful ok. If she’s insisting on a photo or being a cunt…leave it and move on.
“I’m not giving out my number” or “it’s too soon to give you my number”
Ok, well how about your letter then? (Sesame Street Game FTW!)
How about tech support chat game?
Example : Hi Mehgyn, are you the chick in the photo?
I got introduced to a smoking hot girl at my weekly party. She was tall and visiting.
The guy who introduced me apparently was chasing after her at one time and chasing after my ex gf.
He introduced me. I was kind of languid. She was beaming.
This herb kept saying “Look at his (mine) eyes popping out of his head….”
The girl was embarrassed. I kept my cool and said…”Is he always like this?”
Then I grabbed her hand and pulled her on the dance floor with “I’ll protect you….”
She was so flirty.. we were eye-fucking each other about 3 inches away. Since we are both tall and the same height I kept pulling her close and teasing her about stealing all the food in her family to make her that tall.
After amping up the attraction and some rapport…I left her and never talked to her for the rest of the night. She’s visiting for a week so figured I’d run into her over the weekend anyway.
But my other friend knew her and said “These girls have better game than you..”
I wasn’t sure whether she was flaunting it for me to get me to chase or whether those massive IOI’s were real.
But unfortunately logistics and my own spider sense that I didn’t want to appear too eager had me playing it cool as fuck.
I will see her over the weekend and will gauge whether this is general friendly-girl super flirty as my buddy suggests or whether this is something I can turn into something.
I was quite proud of myself for not falling over myself to chase her….not sure how I kept it together, just basically let that herb kind of DHV me by DLVing himself.
My question is: Is there ever a time when it’s NOT advisable to escalate and instead wait for a more clear signal? The fact the girl’s friendly could mean she wants to dance, or she wants to be chased or she wants attention…
Escalate. The only “clear signal” you need to not escalate to is rejection. Anything less than rejection then keep plowing forward.
And by rejection I mean full monty rejection, not her playing coy or hard to get. If she knees you in the crotch and vomits on your head as you double up in pain, laughing maniacally and telling everybody in earshot that you are “creepy”, that’s rejection. If she smiles with an “Um….no” while batting her eyes at you, well, that’s not rejection.
@Burninator Why I hesitated was that this was a little “too perfect”…I hadn’t even started gaming her and she was already in my face, major IOI’s, responding to the teasing….something told me she was trying to get me to chase so instead I bided my time and played it cool.
Also, the fact the chubby herb was giggling like a hyena when he introduced me lead me to back off…he was saying “Isn’t she hot??” I was just smiling at her and ignoring the herb.
Finally she’s in town for a few days…I can re-engaged tomorrow if I see her without being eager.
When she left she didn’t say goodbye so I wondered if this was her natural friendliness. However, I did watch as other Asian herbs approached her for dances and she was NOT in their face, holding their hand or giggling at everything they said.
In the past few weeks when I did escalate I got flakes so wanted to avoid the lameness of hitting on the visiting chick without a bit more comfort built up.
I invite comments because it’s a new situation for me.
Normally I would escalate.
I may have misunderstood, I was taking “escalate” as “progressing with the pickup strategy”, which would include some level of comfort at some point.
@Burn I escalated with kino, negs, comfort and asked her to dance for two sets.
By “escalation” I meant number closing, inviting her out after the party etc.
I think I will take the temperature tomorrow if I see her. But something just didn’t feel right about escalating to something more sexual at that point in time. It would have been “cliché”. She is hot. A tall flight attendant, and built. She gets hit on all the time.
at a certain point a person has things locked, then its a matter of isolation so you can chloroform her and put her in your early 90′s panel van. if its a tricky situation b patient and let her find a way to isolate or let her seduce you.
with the short window, might have wanted to close out early. they know if they’ll fuck you or not basically once you show up and start blabbing. if its a one-off type of encounter, leave it all on the court
the only time its really worth tapping the escalation breaks is co-worker, local barista, neighbor etc where repeated interactions are expected and feeling out rapport until 100% certainty keeps you from shitting where you end up having to eat.
But my other friend knew her and said “These girls have better game than you..”
whats that about, your friends a cunt
@YaReally and ballocaust. Thanks. This situation does fall into the “social circle” where repeated interactions are expected” category. I will see her again over the weekend.
My concern was that being THAT friendly was odd. I have game but for a girl to basically be all over me after that herb pedstalized her in front of me about “meet my super hot friend…wow you’re eyes are bulging out of your head I can tell hahahahahhahaha” was odd for me. To escalate would have been too predictable.
As for the “these girls have better game than you…” I think my short friend has crap game and struck out with her before so figures she’s like that with everyone. I just didn’t want to appear too needy in the face of all the orbiters around her. If this pans out over the next few days I’ll share any learnings.
@walawala
“My concern was that being THAT friendly was odd. I have game but for a girl to basically be all over me after that herb pedstalized her in front of me about “meet my super hot friend…wow you’re eyes are bulging out of your head I can tell hahahahahhahaha” was odd for me. To escalate would have been too predictable.”
That’s why he did it. He was trying to make it awkward for you to escalate. I use this one all the time. “wow, your boyfriend (even tho I can tell he’s just an orbiter) doesn’t like me flirting with you like this” “oh he’s just a friend!!” Or “oh sorry man is this your girlfriend (when I know he’s just an orbiter)? No? Why not man, don’t you think she’s hot? Are you gay or what lol You wouldn’t fuck her??” etc. (this is just if the guy is an asshole lol)
Aaaaand, well, it WORKED on you. He made it too awkward for you to escalate that night so you didn’t bang her, which was his goal. 🙂
But you’ll make up for it. Hell I would even use it and when you get into an private convo with her be like “I was attracted to you from the start, but I didn’t want to be all cliche and hit on you the first night. I think it would’ve broken Herb’s heart. Besides, I had to make sure you had more going for you than just your looks…you (insert qualifier or cold read here about something that isn’t her looks here)” and turn it into a solid SOI/qualifier. Makes you look socially aware and discreet too.
@walawala
Bone her. Tall chicks don’t meet cool tall guys often. Their choice of guys is already whittled down to a small percent in their mind because shorter guys all have height complexes around her, and tall guys are just as commonly beta as any other height guys so if you’re her height and cool, she’s probably up to bang. Be physically dominant with her (even just pulling her in to cut the space and lead her and kiss her), esp in the sack, she probably doesn’t run into that very often (if ever) because she’s too tall for most guys to do it to her.
@YaReally
One other question. For my upcoming event, the guy who I accused my ex gf of cheating with bought her and about four other “friends” some guys and girls…tickets to my upcoming event.
This guy is the same herb above who introduced me to the hot girl. I have no clue now whether they ever were together…are together….or whether in fact they are just “friends”.
But what should I do?
1) Should I just take the money from the herb and ignore ex gf.
2)Should I tell him I’ll take all his money apart from the ex gfs or what?
3) Should I confront her about this?
4) Should I just not give a shit, take the money and have a great event regardless of whether she’s there or not?
She seems to be deliberately trying to stir up drama by having this guy buy her ticket instead of doing it herself.
Any insights into this would be great. I’m a bit pissed…rattled. I had just been starting to get over her….now she gets the herb to get her a ticket.
Should I care or do I just proceed without another word on this?
@walawala
“But what should I do?”
Which of your options is reacting and which are not reacting?
@YaReally.
“Not reacting” would be…take all the money, thank the herb. Continue organizing the party…DHV the fuck out of any other girl there because I’m bringing two of the coolest musicians in their genre….and NEVER EVER mention, look, or react to the crazy ex gf again.
This is a clear provocation. I did “react” last time…perhaps rather badly.
Now…continue as planned, continue organizing greet all my guests and hopefully some hotties will also join.
It does bother me. On the other hand…I now see maybe she was telling me the truth… her was chasing her. But she used this to blow up the relationship.
On a side note…that same herb…is the guy who introduced me to the tall visiting hottie.
I think he just chases hot girls who use him as a kind of beta provider—like my ex getting him to buy tickets for her. When we were going out SHE would be the one to organize everything for me.
That?
@walawala
““Not reacting” would be…take all the money, thank the herb. Continue organizing the party…DHV the fuck out of any other girl there because I’m bringing two of the coolest musicians in their genre….and NEVER EVER mention, look, or react to the crazy ex gf again.”
Yup. Good man. 🙂
“This is a clear provocation. I did “react” last time…perhaps rather badly.”
Yup. lol There’s no GOOD reaction. If it’s a reaction at all, it’s bad.
“It does bother me.”
This is why ideally a guy who ditches a one-itis finds a way to not see her every week at their weekly parties lol This chick will have hooks in you until you literally haven’t seen or heard from her for like 6 months straight. You are NOT in an ideal situation to wrap this one up with a bow and not dwell on it anymore, but I understand you have social obligations that make it difficult to not run into her so you just have to keep asking yourself “is what i’m thinking of doing reacting to her (good or bad, any news is good news) or not reacting?”
“I think he just chases hot girls who use him as a kind of beta provider—like my ex getting him to buy tickets for her.”
Ya, every girl has a bunch of these guys. These guys are stupid lol…but convenient. If she needs a ride to my place to fuck or we go out and I don’t want to pay for drinks or she needs someone to bitch about work to or I need someone to make me look better, these guys come in handy lol
Help/Question need to analyze my experience
So I’ve been going back and forth with this girl for a while.
We went out 2 weeks ago made out nothing more. We’ve
never fucked, and when I try to hang she is out of
town or I’m too busy.
She came to an event/graduation art show, I had an art piece in.
We flirted talked – her friends were there and I could tell also
other guys who she probably made out with or fucked before
were there either that or beta orbiters. She’s a bit
of attention whore. I ignore her most of the time.
So right before she leaves she flips me the middle finger –
I smile and do the same she walks away. I go around pick
her up move her away to some bushes so no one sees us.
She tells me she is leaving with her friends I kiss her
and it is short and she is a bit reluctant. I’m not a PDA
guy either but I felt I had to assert myself.
I text her about 30 minutes after
Me: Ditch ur friends.
Her: Ehm. who is this?
I text her the day before to come to my event.
(trying to be playful at this point cause I’m lost)
Me: Santa Claus
What the fuck happened? I figure I should just erase her number
at this point, but I want to know if I was too aggressive or just
get some insight.
@Mas I’ve had a similar set of situations.
I didn’t make out with the girls. But I have number closed and then they flaked.
I don’t think you were too aggressive. Without seeing the body language or the game technique I would only say that in my own experience girls need to have a re-ignition of attraction and some type of comfort…push-pull.
In your case flipping you the middle finger was an IOI. She didn’t run away when you made out with her in the bushes.
I think she wants you to chase.
A good move would be to back off for now and let HER re-engage. If she does, then it’s on.
If she doesn’t, leave it, play it cool.
LIke you I have a big event coming up. That is a DHV. There are a number of girls coming to it. Just play it cool.
I had another series of strange experiences. I gamed a cute girl, tried to number close, was all about jerk-boy charisma. Got nothing.
I didn’t see her for 3 weeks, then suddenly she’s like so glad to see me. But I’ve played it cool. I don’t want to be some girl’s dancing monkey.
You may need more patience and to spin other plates.
Your art show is a major DHV, lots of opportunity for pre-selection.
Don’t ask her to go….I asked a girl I was gaming to go to mine and she thought it was “too expensive”…so I never brought it up again.
My ex gf hasn’t bought a ticket and I WON”T ask her to come….asking these girls to come more than once is a DLV.
You’re an accomplished guy, that’s a DHV. Don’t lose value by chasing.
You ask…if she doesn’t respond or says she’ll think about it…leave it. She wants you to chase.
So right before she leaves she flips me the middle finger –
I smile and do the same she walks away.
Was she smiling when she did this? This is either a playful ioi (as Wala claims) or she’s slightly peeved at you. Either way, the door is still open. I don’t care for your “smile and do the same” gambit, personally, as it just mirrors her frame and leads nowhere; I would have grinned and given her the “come here” waggle with my finger to bring her to me, but everyone has their own style.
I go around pick
her up move her away to some bushes so no one sees us.
I don’t care for this at all. You have a good venue and a whole room full of people to play with and use to make a good impression and you’re scurrying around in the bushes. This would make sense if the two of you had already fucked or if her buying temperature was higher from an earlier interaction and you were going for big escalation, but out of the blue like this it seems awkward and might scare her away.
She tells me she is leaving with her friends I kiss her
and it is short and she is a bit reluctant.
Yup. She’s reluctant because you guys had one date with only a makeout and now it has been days and you’ve basically dropped back to square one. This is forced rapport, and its poorly calibrated.
Me: Ditch ur friends.
Her: Ehm. who is this?
Doubling down on the out-of-the-blue aggressive pursuit is just hurting you further. You don’t have anywhere near enough value to make a girl drop her friends for you (note: I would never use a line like that, but – again – styles), and now you’re edging close to being a ‘creepy’ stalker who can’t read signals. Where’s the fun? Where’s the comfort? That makeout sesh from days prior might be fresh in your mind, but if she’s a high value girl, that wasn’t even a blip on her radar. Her tank is empty and she wants you to fill it with good emotions and excitement, but you’re trying to jumpstart her anyhow.
Some of the higher-level guys might chime in on how to save this, but I’d give this a very long rest before attempting to re-engage (if ever), and I would rethink my approach entirely. Good on you for pushing your boundaries and going after what you want, though.
This is a great reply.
“Where’s the fun? Where’s the comfort? That makeout sesh from days prior might be fresh in your mind, but if she’s a high value girl, that wasn’t even a blip on her radar. Her tank is empty and she wants you to fill it with good emotions and excitement, but you’re trying to jumpstart her anyhow. ”
Ya. She wants to “see the whole movie”, not just skip to the end: If you can’t pull her for sure that night logistically, don’t escalate too far…leave her wanting more.
ah you shit the bed on this one holmes. hook pretty much nailed it.
you were good up until the drag her to the bushes part. would’ve left it at smiling and flipping her off back and hitting her up later or waiting for her to come to you.
your value was climbing there for eliciting frustration tingles for inviting her to the event and then blowing her off. you had value through your work being in the show and demonstrating abundance mentality/not orbiting her for scraps.
then, you cashed out too early with some awkward ass bush kiss.
it has not as much to do with aggression as neediness. she was feeling it when you weren’t concerned with her and were doing awesome shit with your life.
you lost that momentum by feeling compelled to assert the attraction with an immediate make out. seemed to be more about assuring yourself you had value (beta) than reaping the fruits of your value (alpha) as they come
you killed any momentum by the immediate pingback to try to hustle up the ass. this screams of desperation, that shit they don’t like.
the ehm whos this is her saying, i can’t believe i almost submitted to this flustered ass nig, let me see if i can knock him down to omega by showing how little i think of him as he did to me earlier
go ice cold and see if she circles around, that lead is on life support unless you resume indifference and that can make up for yer former thirst
Yea.. some of this is right on point ballocaust. I feel it’s dead in the water – she sniffed my “neediness” and man is that a killer. I’m done with her, but it is good to analyze this for the future and also somehow when I know these vibes/feelings/body language/etc come up – try to combat that or fight it as best I can.
i wouldn’t sweat it, she sounds like she’s running modern yougogrrl obnoxious game instead of coming with the femininity anyway. wouldve had to be some real good trim to put up with a chick that thinks flipping the bird is cute.
some manosphere dude had a post the other day; along the lines of before you do something rash, think, “is this icy?” and adjusted accordingly. being aloof can become second nature with practice, and frees up your mind / energy to focus on the endeavors that keeps new ass coming in
Who the hell kisses in bushes anyway? Beta move. If you’re all that, you can throw down in front of people and it’s no big deal. Bushes just screams “high school” = DLV.
she was already leaving and was standing by them. I just moved over more so her friends and other orbiters would be out of view. Already said not a PDA dude, never will be – it’s just not me.
I’m with ballocaust. Flipping the bird isn’t cute. It’s obnoxious. Move on and take it as a learning experience.
seeing as it was an art exhibition, text her to explain that your behviour was an expression of post-modernist angst in a bourgeois over-sexualised plutocracy, and that if she didn’t get the reference to Yeo’s “Bush” http://ivecomesofar.blogspot.ie/2010/07/porn-in-usa-by-artist-jonathan-yeo.html she’s nothing but a mere pleb.
Ask for contact information instead.
If she gives you any answer related to “her number” Say:
Whoa there, I just wanted to know about your suppleness.
I realise it’s not polite to ask someone to explain their joke/punchline, but this isn’t an easy one to decipher. skin2skin contact or something?
Obviously the jerkboy routine works well with texting/tinder/other. Do you need to maintain this level of jerkitude once you actually interact in the real world?
Works for me.
yes. that is what separates the wheat from the chaff. any guy can act like a boss in the relatively lifeless communication that is text. the text game alone doesn’t do shit if your frame falls apart in person
its when you say this shit and really mean it, face to face, pussy pheromones wafting, having to use yer vocal chords while making dat dere fierce eye contact.
jerkboy isn’t a routine that gets you laid, its a state of mind of not taking this shit too seriously while still defining the frame in a manner that says you won’t be fucked with.
chicks dig it, because its simultaneously projects disinterest (ie options) and dominance.
How does the Facebook game work? I always thought that it was a social circle thing but judging by these chats girls are hooking up with strangers there?
I might need to resort to online stuff because lately I’m just not seeing the women. I try to go out when I can but always end up being “that guy” sitting alone at the bar. My friends are in different parts of the country and I’m a little old to be hitting the nightclubs.
Facebook is probably a non-starter for me but is Tinder accessible for guy approaching 30?
yep tinder is a goldmine man
iv nearly lost all interest in going out because im meeting so many girls on tinder
I have a weird hang up about making online profiles with the intent of selling myself in the dating market. It just seems so pathetic. It also seems like it removes all the mystery of your character (Here’s what I like, Here’s what I dislike, Please pay attention to me).
I never really tried online game so I can’t knock it but I just can’t grok how it works.
At cryo,
I still prefer approaching in real life because you know exactly what you’re getting when you get it. But nothing will help you build up your abundance mentality like tinder and you need NOT spend hours filling out your profile. Chicks prefer to fill in the blanks on their own anyway. Brief cocky/funny aloof answers will get you swiped in no time.
Tinder is the sexual marketplace turned upside down, and not necessarily in a good way. Girls have to choose you FIRST before you can ever communicate with them, so expect to get weeded out based on the most meticulous personal preferences that would never come into play in daygame/nightgame. Want that hot 10 who’s 19? So does every other guy who swiped right on her, and its a good bet that one of them is closer to her physical ideal than you are and will get the nod. You lose all the advantage of standing out and being masculine that you would get from approaching her in person.
Aside from strategic placement of pictures, Tinder is basically anti-game. It will either reinforce your belief in your good looks and make you lazy, or it will make you feel like a mangy and unwanted stray dog. The girls I’m currently banging would have all swiped left on me, guaranteed, because I’m blonde and not over 6 ft. I’m currently dating a hot redhead three inches taller than me who claims to only like tall ‘brown’ guys, and she’s gushed repeatedly that she can’t believe how irresistible she finds me. No one can see my swagger or hear my voice via Tinder.
If you’re having trouble with daygame/nightgame and are already worried about your age pre-30 (I’m 39), I think you need to delve deeper into the archives, work on your inner game and start putting yourself through some rigorous field tests etc. Check out the YaReally Archive via google. If you’re a ‘hot’ guy Tinder might get you laid, but its not going to teach you anything and eventually you’ll have to move on and do some actual work. If you’re an average looking (or worse) guy? Tinder is going to chew you up, lol.
Thanks man. I am a good looking guy, though not tall. You make some good points about falling into anti-game tendencies. I much prefer day/night game but I just don’t have the social proof or connections to make it work now. I’m trying to fill my life with new hobbies and interests, hopefully that will present some opportunities in the future. I’ll check out the YaReally archive too.
my housemate is 39 and besides looking younger than he is, his looks arent great to say the least and from interacting with him i couldnt see his game being all that great. yet he still kills it on tinder
yes looks are important on tinder but all you need is some strategic photos that make you looks good (like the fat chicks use). another one is to put up photos of yourself with a guitar or something like that (ye its dishonest but all we are trying to get are hookups here)
also disagree with the tinder making you lazy point…its great text game practice and beside from the rare occasions where the girl just wants to meet and fuck from the off, you will still need to game her when you meet her for drinks or whatever
Good text game. Let me help.
cryo wtf you in the prime
well 38 might be prime
Arguing over women.
@cryo in Asia…Tinder is for busy people who are up for a chat. I get mostly Indonesian maids who only have one day off and are looking for some provider. I did meet one hot one and made out. I also met with a few newbies to the city who I guess use it as a quick way to meet.
I’m late 40′s. The girls I’m meeting on it are in their 20′s.
My photo is a cool shot in shades. If they match I use a standard opener to filter out the cunts. If they’re still up for chatting I move them to whatsapp and try to get them out.
It hasn’t been hugely successful but I did meet 3 girls…made out with one, one was horrible to be with—just a nasty arrogant cunt…the third is a 25 year old maid who flaked on me when we finally did set up a time to meet but keeps texting “wanna fuck” and “I wanna suck you” every so often to which I respond “oh…”
how would you respond to such a text:
i know you don’t reply to txts. i write you anyway. i’ve just thought of you that’s why i write. how are you? i’m busy with exams and i’m excited for when it’s over.
i wanna neg her b/c she shit tests me. i was thinking of this:
hahaha, you think i respond to you b/c you got two breasts. half the population got that. i hope you were only thinking nice thougths.
post got ate. summary:
– save negging for later, that neg sucks
try:
– reframe by ignoring 1st half; I hope you were only thinking nice thougths
– narcissism “i was just thinking of me, too” “shouldn’t you be thinking about exams instead of my (whatever your good part is)”
thanks. what’s problematic with negging at this point and why does it suck? too dull?
negging in response to a shit-test like that is a no go always. you’re playing by her rules if she says “i know you don’t usually XXX” and then you do it but complain about it. its like if she asked you to make her a sandwich and you got up and did it while cursing her out. if yer gonna humor her, reframe reframe reframe
that neg sucks because its butthurt as hell. you’re a smooth playa dawg, not elliot rodgers angry incel.
they all know the primary value is ass/tits/hole and theyre competing in that w/ 50% of the population. if you’re going to neg her as an object do it far more subtly and playfully (“youre lucky you have better [asset] than most girls/specific person, otherwise I wouldn’t XYZ”)
hm, your analogy helped me understand what’s going on better. yes, who does that, being asked for a sandwich and then do it with regret and bitch about how stupid it is to make one. that sounds like drama. reframes i’ve come up with to the shit test:
– today, i threw dice and got a six, you’re lucky
– today, i feel generous and you get an answer
– you ask kindly and that warms my heart (and tickles my fingers to type) [not sure about the last bit, it’s probably too reactive as if it was within her to prompt me to reply]
– i’m reminded of my obligations to my friends [kind of serious]
oops, i got exposed with that. my dark bitter beta side was voiced, at second sight the breast comment is butthurt and certainly not funny. i prefer to be the puppy in disguise and not the barking dog.
She knows you don’t reply to texts, but she texts you anyway. Fuck your neg reply because it’ll only make you look weak-willed and wishy-washy. When you break your own rule, she’ll lose all respect for you because you can’t even follow your own rules. Ignore her text and she’ll undoubtedly call you. When you get her call, don’t pick up. Let it go to voicemail, and call her back much later, at your leisure. She’ll pick up on the first ring.
From there, you will re-iterate for the last time that you do not play the text game and that if she pulls that shit again, she’s done. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Follow-up by giving her instructions on how she will make it up to you. If at any point she is hesitant or testy, hang up immediately and ignore her completely until she shows up at your place unannounced, bearing gifts.
solid. i’d be weak if i replied. generally, at what point do you make your intentions clear? what’s the difference between making your intentions clear and being creepy?
Ballocaust gave bad advice, better would be ‘K.’ If this makes you insecure, then ‘L.’ or ‘A.’ should work. Girls aren’t mysterious, they are appreciably weird.
If they follow up, then no, you weren’t talking about the exam. Please don’t say ‘not,’ it’s immature. ‘N’ works, it’s asking for her other number, which is the point of the Monty Python sketch.
Ellipse game here …
Maybe you’ll understand this.
i don’t get your acronyms. k? l? a?
@honor.. not sure the context of this chat or how well you know her but it just seems a cry for attention.
Girls write shit like this to ping you into replying.
So not sure a “neg” is the right way.
You can ping back: “Having cocktails with a friend…” leave it ambiguous making her think your friend could be a girl.
The point of texting is to 1) get her on a date 2) keep you on her mind from time to time
Text too much and you become her “Siri”….a go to guy who’s always out there when she’s bored, on the bus, between clients or whatever.
you’re right she is attention grabbing. i know her boyfriend. she confessed to have had an affair with someone else. her bf doesn’t know about it. i don’t know what that was about when she told me about her little adventure. as if i had the power to liberate her from the guilt. or, if she was interested in me we already had a shared secret and i wasn’t being judgy which gave her comfort. i was surprised at the confession and not suspecting it at all. it’s true women grow tired of betas and look for the side dish who is the highest value man they can get.
hahaha, her siri, a sexless dump like joaquin phoenix in “her”. that happend with my girlfriends. i grew too attached to them and startet to lift them up to goddess like figures. enough of that bullshit.
That was my ex on the last text exchange.
Fuck.
we’re all eskimo bros at this point, just wrap up the little inuit and stay frosty
I’m a not very good looking guy who is somewhat successful with women in real life, and I have always completely struck out on internet dating. My impression is because is that if you’re picking up girls on Facebook or OkCupid looks are everything. Anyone can sound “cocky” in a typed message. If you don’t look like a supermodel, you can distinguish yourself in real life by confidence, tone of voice, etc.
That’s impossible to do online. You think you’re going to be the first guy to contact her who has heard of game? Not very likely.
The best way to score replies online is to a well thought-out, but poorly copy-pasted message. Like, saying something about your plans from 2 weeks ago as if were fresh (Like “I’m going xxx for Memorial Day”). I get a 90% response though a good portion of that is girls who are “offended” that I’d copy-paste them. On the other hand if you have a good follow up, you can turn it around.
I once set up an account on OkCupid and used it to send crude sexual comments and brazen insults to random hot chicks. My profile pic was a cartoon and I filled in almost none of the profile. I got an almost 100% response rate, some of which was actually positive.
This is totally the way to do it – straight to the point game. I love it. I don’t see it as being a jerk though, so much as being a man who isn’t afraid of rejection and goes straight for his goals. Also, if a woman won’t give you her number early, she probably won’t give it to you after 20 Facebook chats either. In fact, she’s even less likely to give it to you because the more you FB chat without making your intentions known, the deeper you dig yourself into the friendzone.
If one is texting a girl, one has her number… Try again…
Read the other comments. They are Facebook chats.
if that was me on tat thing
I may give you permission to put my name on you if your a good girl
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2644101/Being-ignored-WORSE-bullied-Ostracism-psychologically-damaging-claim-experts.html
“MORE THAN HALF OF WOMEN ARE BULLIED AT WORK, CLAIMS STUDY
More than half of women are bullied or harassed at work – often by members of their own sex, a major poll has revealed.
Based on interviews with nearly 23,000 women and more than 2,000 men, the survey is the largest of its kind in the UK.
It revealed that the biggest enemy facing women in the office or other workplace is often other women, rather than their male colleagues.”
1. 23000 women and 2000 men. See: fundamental premise.
2. I’m shocked, just shocked by these findings.
How exactly does that work out? One half bullying the other?
one nasty mean fucking bitch who fucked the boss at one point to get power and nothing almost can be done to her bullying everyone
They can bully each other.
Women do appreciate directness. I’m pretty sure the “neg” didn’t matter in there. She was joking around.
Back in the day (as we used to say back in the day before “back in the day” was a thing), this was a non-problem. Everyone was in the phone book. It’s kind of weird that in our hyper-informational world it’s actually harder to find out basic stuff like someone’s phone number (although Indian “technical support” scammers manage it on a daily basis).
yea so kind of hit first major snag last night after taking girl to get makeovered up and such
which part of it is that she is overtired hasn’t slept in almost 3 days
more than a few hours. Sleeping like baby now though after getting a shitton of emotions hopes and dreams out and fears
she thinks so highly of me and my abilities that we walked past group of dudes coming out mall and she was looking hot as fuck
and we walking away around mall and dude yells i’m gonna take your girl and i think for second that yellin at me i stop but then dude and his
girl standing there says oh yea i’m gonna get my cousins then and we’ll get it on
i tell my girl thought might of been talking to me for second there
she says naa there was only 7 dudes no dude gonna look at you and say i’m gonna take your girlfriend it just wouldn’t happen
she like if i was a dude i would never walk up to you and say i’m gonna take your girl i’d be like yea you guys are good together be happy dude
so she has irrational confidense in me i mean yea i’d fight 7 dudes and not care but doesn’t mean i’d win realistically
so I realize today my chick look like Jennifer annistan but more feminine without the too toned arms showing tricepts and shit and square shoulders and more feminine figure
so her friend in jail she was talkin too is a mudshark but has all white kids told her she was just tired of white dudes breaking her heart been her friend for long time
but after talking to my chick she says she gonna try a white dude again when she gets out
the three white dudes she has kids with all freaking cheated on her behind her back
she wanted it to work and it didn’t she like some bitch always taking her dude
always willing to fuck her over behind her back
so when they cheat on her and she finds out she loses the love for them and it breaks her heart
Cool story, ho
secret f life to me free ho’s
she iike bitches always want whats mine
so when I said about preggers chick telling me she loved me in front of our friends last night it hurt her pretty bad I guess
she scared as fuck
im like she said it in front her dude to piss him off I think
she just wanted to go
then I was high as fuck off weed and talk bout my dick pulsating and shit in front of two of chicks there I grew up with and fucked around with
its like she saw more competition but its like cigstashe competing with a ten
but the problem is in past the dudes fucked fat chicks to cheat on her or any piece of pussy
so its like any bitch can be competition from her past experience
me i was just fucking amazed that just looking at my chick my dick kept jumping up that type of shit hasen’t happened to me in a long fucking time
normally he needs more stimulation than just looking at any chick no matter how pretty to start getting hard
so i’m sitting there and i’m just amazed cause my dick ain’t never fucing been like that bad just having his own fucing mind and shit and me being that hot for a chick
that i have no control over my own body
really the ten in high school my dick didn’t do that
when I was tounger or sometimes occasionally my dick would jump up
but not like over and over and over and over in the same day
he he he
and it wasn’t the weed cause all that day walking around I wasn’t on any weed or alchohol or anything
I’m just that hot for my chick and its some new territory for me
thinking part of it might be the she really gave up the drugs for me
it is fucking amazing to me too cause fucking really nobody can really get there bitch of drugs
and i’m here finally exactly in the position I wanted to be with her her off of everything but me
and i’m at the final test and my body is where it needs to be to erase her mind and everything in it
my dickon call 24 7 now
she like ya but thatbitch tried to get you she did everything she could to be me
then you tell me she told you she loved you
she like I don’t care if her dude was there she still thought she could tell my dude she loved him
when she know he my dude
she like that bitch better not come to door
she said I would kill for you and that ain the first time she said it
we were talkin real
and I really told I love you and we soulmates and we gonna be together for all eternity no matter what the fuck happens on this world
everything you do has been for me and I know that
its fucking hot and I love it I love that even when your bad its for me and everything you think is about me
and even tonight you wantin to leave and being sad and shit was also for me cause you love me and wnt me to feel specil cause I got my chick jealous and you want me to know and its love and it normal and its ok to have these feelings cause its love ad we got it and we fucking togetherand always will be no matter what the fuck happens its always gonn be us
I’m like none of these bitches could get me
she like yea but she tried
and i’m afraid of losing you
I need you I love you I can’t live without you
i’m so afraid of losing you cause I lost every other dude and i’m so afraid from shit I don’t to you in past that you could use that and just decide to get another chick
she don’t realize that I don’t really give a fuck about what happened when the fuck ever in reality cause it been all leading to where we are now and its like we to the point of being able to be honest and I wanted to get to point where love slices through all the bullshit and is pure untarnished fucking love the purest love the 100 percent gold with all the fucking impurities gone
just past everything truly to get where nothing else matters but the love and the connection where her brain fucking changes to its all abut me
nd it has been a wild fucking ride to get here and no other bitch could of given me those memories or played the game so well
lol shejust woke up
eyes open
staring at me
I smile at her
walked away to go take care of business doin the waddle walk saying my legs hurt so bad
so close to letting her tat my name on her face they already did the outline to tattoo it I said no that’s my face I don’t want writing on it
she put my name on her wrist instead
covered up the husbands name on other wrist
Why is this retard allowed to keep posting on here?