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1. A reader wants to know if he blew himself out of the water.

Background
Her 18 (7)
Me late 20′s (7.5)

We have been studying alone together for the past few weeks both at school and her parents house. (Non dorm college). She send various signs of interest (ex: when working on her computer I accidently clicked on the show background button and it showed a picture of her in a bikini, not her normal background). On the other hand she always mentions her boyfriend who dorms in a different state. I got annoyed with it and showed her a pic of my gf (8.5). we are by Boston

Text follow later that day

Me: let’s work on blah blah next week
Me: also I’m really offended you thought I was middle eastern
Her: my mom thought you were middle eastern too (wide eye smiley)
Me: I’m getting you both glasses!
Me: show your mom this (pic of my European passport) [ed: nicely timed DHV]
Her: I will
Her: were you born there?
Me: let’s talk about it over coffee or something, easier than texting
Her: true
*i never text back

Was it weak to ask via text when I knew I would see her next week?

Mistake to show gf pic and ask to hang out same day? To forward for one young and innocent?

Mistake to send pic of passport? Trying to hard to win her approval? What would you have done instead?

To your first question: Was it weak to ask over text instead of in person? Yes, you could make a case for lameness, particularly since you and her have been, and would continue to be, in the same room together for a few weeks. But this mistake is just a yellow flag, not an own goal.

To your second question: It’s only a mistake to mention your girlfriend if it’s clear to your intended target you’re doing so in reaction to a perceived slight or disappointment. In your case, it sounds like that’s what happened. Luckily, your girlfriend is hot, so your study partner’s “preselected by quality women” algorithmic alpha male detector fired off. I would say this move was a wash in terms of any advantage or disadvantage it gave you.

To your third question: There’s no such thing as being “too forward” with a girl as long as your forward motion is executed with finesse. Recall Poon Commandment XIII:

Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little.

If you’re going to make a pick-up mistake, make a mistake while moving toward sex, instead of away from sex.

To your fourth and fifth questions: No, and no. You had an open to DHV with the passport without sounding try-hard.

To your sixth question: I would have texted her again after her last reply. If there is any part of this exchange where you own-goaled, it’s the part when you didn’t follow-up your tacit promise to get her out for coffee. The study room dynamic is sapping the romantic energy between you and her because it’s going on too long without forward progress. You were on the right track with your thought to move her into a different context. After she replied “true”, all you had to write back was “k, X place at X time.”

Ya know, there is seductive aloofness that entrances girls, and there is the overwrought aloofness that men who are suddenly afraid of success will resort to as a mechanism for avoiding the pain of a rejection that heretofore only exists in their heads.

tl;dr Bust a move.

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2. A reader has sprog on the nog.

So I’ve ‘taken the red pill’, learnt game, agree with you on everything about not getting married etc.

However, I can’t seem to shake my desire to have children. To me, it seems like one of the most worthwhile things you do can with a life is to have kids. Maybe it’s because my parents did an incredible job raising my siblings and I, but I just feel like it’s a legacy I want to create.

How do you come to terms with this (assuming you share the same view)? Is marriage ESSENTIAL for having, and properly raising children? Do you believe you can do so without marriage (seen as I adamantly want to avoid it)? Or do you just not share my same desire?

Is marriage essential for having children? What do you think this is, 1950s America? You can be in prison and still pop out four upstanding citizens if you have a way with words and the low impulse control that chicks lurv.

But maybe you’re the kind of would-be father who actually wants to be around his kids, and impart his wisdom so that they may grow up proud and strong and become net tax payers to support the kids of the kinds of fathers and mothers who don’t much care about imparting wisdom to their womb spewage. Maybe you had the misfortune of being genetically cursed with a K-selected psychology in an increasingly r-selected world.

r-selected world
r-selected world
r-selected world girl
(li-ving in an r-selected world
we are li-ving in an r-selected world)

If kid quality is your Job 1, then yeah get married. It’s good for the children. Marry young, marry hot, marry tight. And marry chaste. (Not you. Her.) But if marriage is not your bag (and who could blame you?), you can get the same child-raising, K-assuaging, father-amazing benefits by having kids within a committed, cohabiting relationship. It works for Sweden. Well, it works for Sweden’s historical native people, at any rate. There’s nothing magical about signing on the dotted line that will alter the properties of your character, other than the disincentive magic of divorce theft. But if that’s what you need to keep your lover or yourself in line, perhaps she’s not the one you should be considering for the mother of your children.

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3. Reader can’t believe the Pavlovian call-response of modern women.

I think this world is coming to an end. I was chatting to this girl on a dating site. I opened her by being polite and respectful, because she was from a southern country and I thought she was traditional.

She basically brushed me off by telling me I’m ugly.

Next day I make another profile and find her. My profile had nothing special at all, my picture was even uglier than the previous one. First words I open her with : you’re fat. Guess what? She was all nice and flirty with me.

Wtf is going on? Has feminism even reached the corners of all sounthern latin countries now? This is ridiculous.

I’m not a fan of the “insult as substitute for fine-tuned neg” game, but even I’m occasionally amazed at how often a shot of straight-up asshole works on women. If you’re ever stuck on a recalcitrant Westernized girl, and it’s going nowhere fast, just call her fat. It beats doing the same beta suck-up routine and expecting different results.

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4. A reader has ideas in his head that might be counter-productive.

I would love your feedback on this-

Some brief background- I’m a recovering beta (with the soul of an alpha but duped by societal pressures, etc. to being a beta)- I was in a relationship for 11 years (was married for 7 of those years). For job purposes I moved to Paris France while my wife stayed in the US, with the plan being for her to move here after a year. She cheated on me during that year, and we broke up soon after she moved here (she still had to spend a year here as she had already committed work-wise to doing it).

Absence makes the heart grow fonder… up to a point. Extended absence makes the heart go wander. Especially if that heart is desired by a lot of other hearts in the sexual market.

This was 2.5 years ago, I was a different man then than I am now. I’m better off because of the divorce (which I never had the balls to do myself then). I’m going to visit home in a couple of weeks. Part of me wants to track this guy down (I know what city he lives in and a few people he knows, and presumably could do it) and beat the shit out of him, just to prove something about my manhood.

Whenever you feel this feel, just remember that your ex-wife represented one-half of the parties involved in the adultery. Beating the shit out of this dude, if it gets back to her, will only enable her to avoid blame for her own part in her disloyalty.

Part of the reason is that if he is still with my ex-wife (I feel like they may be- all I know is he visited her in Europe at least once while she was there for a year after we split) I just want her to know that I did that- not with any attempt or interest to win her back or anything.

I really recommend against this. You want to get back at your cheating whore of a whore’s whore ex-wife? Date a hotter babe and make sure the ex sees you together with her. That will impact her psyche a thousand times more than downwind news that you brawled with her boyfriend.

Do you think this is worth the effort- (tracking down and beating the shit out of the guy who fucked my ex-wife while I was with her) – in what it means to me in being a mostly alpha guy? Or is it more alpha for me to live my life and forget about them?

A good way to judge your frame of mind in these situations is to ask yourself, “If my ex was suddenly aroused by my display of alpha after trouncing the guy she cheated with while we were together, and she made it clear she wanted me back, would I gladly accept the opportunity?” If you answer “yes”, then you don’t have the right (aka alpha) frame of mind.

More generally this is a question I struggle with in my life at the moment. I know that I do care about how people remember me- but to what extent should I expend energy towards affecting the memories of me from people in my past, compared to spending energy on my bright future in general?

I think you already know the answer to your question.

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5. This reader has a request for analysis of his text game.

Got a girl’s number on the street through using the “put your number in my phone” routine I saw on your site. Waited four days, and texted her to meet up, and tried to operate as I thought Chateau would advocate. Was wondering if you could evaluate my textual interaction to get her out. [Names changed to protect the devious.]

Monday., April 22, 4:08pm
Me: Hey Katie, we should go out this week. -Brad from X last Thursday

4:30pm
Her: Alright, so you definitely caught me off guard, and I’m not going to lie I was pretty flattered. I’m sorry, I just didn’t get a chance to tell you that I have a boyfriend.

This was a golden opportunity to use any number of “I have a boyfriend” neutralizing replies.

7:27pm
Her: I really am sorry, I do admire your confidence :/

Tuesday, April 23 11:17am
Me: U seem like an independent person who can hang with who u want. Let’s meet up tomorrow.

The problem with waiting a day to respond to a girl who dropped an “IHAB” on you is that you risk coming off like a guy who got blindsided by her revelation and needed a day to compose himself. You shoulda replied soon after. That said, this is a decent rescue of a text exchange heading south out of the gate.

11:42am
Her: But you hardly know me not to mention I think that wouldn’t be the greatest idea seeing as that would be shady on my part.

12:33pm
Her: And what could you get out of going out with a girl who has a boyfriend?

The good: She texted you back immediately, and texted twice in a row. There’s some interest.

The bad: She mentioned the boyfriend again. She might not be bluffing.

The opportunity: When a girl mentions her boyfriend a bit too frequently, it sometimes is a tell that she harbors illicit fantasies and is leaning on the “boyfriend boyfriend boyfriend” chant to strengthen her resolve in the face of temptation, or to excuse herself of any responsibility should she HAPPEN to succumb to another man’s seductive charm. You know, the ol’ “But I told him I had a boyfriend, so anything that happens between us will be his fault” hamster rationalization.

1:23pm
Me: I won’t judge u, Katie. (Particular bar) tomorrow at 8

I don’t like this response. Too straight and by the book. You’re playing into her frame, i.e., you’re tacitly agreeing with her that it would be shady for her to meet with you. Better to have replied playfully, For example:

Her:  And what could you get out of going out with a girl who has a boyfriend?

You: A free drink.

1:29pm
Her: Well I’m not sure what this has to do with my independence but I can’t meet you especially when I don’t even know you, Brad.

Ok, she’s interested. She’s begging for you to give her the flimsy excuse she needs to come out and see you.

3:21pm
Me: U know u can, Katie, and should. Come get to know me tomorrow. Don’t cheat yourself.

Game by assertion? I like the “don’t cheat yourself” line, but this reply is veering dangerously into begging territory. You’re totally in chasing mode. I dunno. It’s not my style. Anyone else want to chime in here? YaReally? I’ll give you points for boldness and directness, though. That may be enough.

Wednesday April 24, 12:02am
Her: I just don’t even know what to say anymore to be honest

As long as a girl is still replying, the game is still on.

11:52am
Me: Say you’ll see me tonight

This kind of earnest charm works better face to face, where you can soften the sappy edge with a smirk. In text, you risk sounding desperate, even with the ameliorating smilie.

12:31pm
Her: Do girls just not say no to you very often or something?

She’s stiiiiiiillllll replying.

2:24pm
Me: Other girls have nothing to do with me and u

Ok, so you’re basically running battering ram game. Nothing wrong with that. It can work well on girls who had an initial reservoir of romantic interest.

2:28pm
I don’t even know your full name, and my name is spelled “Katy” by the way haha.

Did you misspell her name on purpose the whole time? If so, kudos, sir.

4:13pm
Me: Duly noted, Katy. I’ll be sure to give u my last name right when we meet up tonight

This is becoming too insistent. You need more cocky playfulness. All I see is you chasing 100% and her being chased 100%. For instance, there was an opportunity here to fuck around with the “wrong name” conversational subthread. Instead of “Duly noted, Katy”, you could have replied “Duly noted, Qaaytee”.

7:43pm
Me: U on way, katy?

I know the Chateau recommends Zero Punctuation, but honestly it looks kind of stupid when a man uses “U” in place of “you”.

7:45pm
Her: No I’m not haha I’m studying I don’t believe I told you I was going

Aaaand…. failure to launch.

7:47pm
Me: Gay

The “gay” response is better at the start of trouble, not ten days later.

7:50pm
Her: Not gay it’s a Wednesday night

She’s just using you for shits and giggles now. Abandon ship.

My next move was to abandon her, but if she contacts me, wait a long time to respond and somehow fit in the “because I don’t want to get you pregnant” line. Your opinion?

“if she contacts me”. That “if” is a big if. You’re thinking twelve chess moves ahead when she hasn’t even moved her pawn E2 to E4. There might be a way to turn this around and somehow convince her to go out with you, but I think you’ll have an easier time recruiting a new girl for a date. And it sounds like that kind of perspective is what you need.

197 Responses to “Reader Mailbag: Own Goal Edition”

  1. two #4: take it from someone who sleeps with quite a few men’s wives. if he hadn’t done it, someone else would have. i skipped enough opportunity in my first ten years of adulthood, taken women that are hanging it out there are wonderful in that they’re generally pent up and they’re generally imprisoned so they can’t cramp your style. i don’t think, even on the chance you beat the dude badly, that it’s going to change the reality that your wife put it out there for him. he took NO vows.

    side note, my roommate in college had a good friend that had had sex with his girlfriend. did he beat the ‘friend’? no, but he did beat the girl. and his friend came down to campus and visited, and needless to say the girl came down innumerable nights to visit the guy that beat her.

    anyway, for what it’s worth. and aside from revenge, it makes her out to be too high value if you are still ready to go to war for her. she’s a worthless cheat. treat her like one.

    • late late late bloomer says:

      sweet lord i have to stop typing phonetically in my head

      TO #4. please believe, i am literate at times.

    • Anon says:

      1. The guy is single. In Paris. It’s springtime in Paris. You can’t walk 10 feet without running into a chain smoking, skinny Parisian chick making out with some guy. He should be running through French pussy like a German Panzer through the Maginot Line. Instead, he wants to do jail time for beating up his whore’s john. If you want to be pimp about it, beat your ex wife instead and make her give you some money.

      2. Re: the guy that wants to make babies. Familiarize yourself with matrimony laws (divorce, child support, cohabitation, asset division). Sit in on your local divorce court. See if you can stomach it. If not, and you still want kids, familiarize yourself with egg donor options. But first, fuck some bitches.

    • I hope that many of you can see
      why the churchian fanboyz here rage against Homer
      and Honor
      and God
      and Moses
      and Jesus
      as they try to slip
      their tiny churchian cockaz
      into your future wive’s bunghole
      and then into
      your own.

      I am compilning a list of the good churchians
      who have spoken out against Moses and Jesus
      who have spoken out against Homer and Honor
      for I would like to interview them all
      for an upcoming blog post
      which will feature
      all their Rage and Anger
      against God and Man (not Cod and Man lzozzlzo)
      all their Rage and Anger
      against the GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ
      zlzozolzzozooozozzo

      • Many churchians here have raged and seethed here against the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

        Well, I would like to invite you to RAGE AND SEETHE against Homer, Honor, Moses, and Jesus here:
        http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/honor-your-fathers-honor-the-great-books-for-men-read-the-great-books/

        Ye can show the world why it is that the West and the Church are declining, and why your future potential wives have been desouled and buttcockedz zlozzolzlozzo. Come one, come all ye Chruchians, and sentence Socrates to death all over again, as yer Fathers did back then.

        29 Woe unto you, scribes, Churchians, and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
        30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
        31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
        32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
        33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
        34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

        The renaissance hath begun.

        As Athena called Telemachus to adventure–to sail forth and learn the news of His True Father Odysseus, so too does GBFM call upon ye to man up, sail forth, and learn the news of your true Fathers.

        Like Hamlet you came of age in a world where your father–THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN–had been murdered. Where they had been debauched, debased, bernenekfified out of the fiat-debt curriculum. And just as Hamlet’s Father called upon Him to Avenge his Death and Set the World Right, so too do I call upon all of ye buton-mashing gamersz and manboob betasz churchians to Man Up and Honor Your True Fathers.

        Like Odysseus’s son Telemachus you came of age in a house occupied by false suitors trying to buttehxt your mom Penelope alongside your future wife, deosuling her faster than Bill Bennett can gamble away a million dollars in Vegas. You came of age in a home absent of your true Father–Odysseus and THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

        Like Telemachus and Hamlet, you were born to know of your Fathers and do the work of your Fathers, as did Jesus. And like Jesus, you were born into a fallen world occupied by arrogant neeoconth Scribes and Pharisees, lorded over by intellectually-indifferent Pontius Pilates, ruled by mobs (and female prison wardensz lzozlz) who vote to set the murderer free, while sending Jesus to die upon the Cross.

        But all of that was then, and This is Now.

        Do not fail to Honor your Fathers by neglecting to live for the Classical, Epic Honor that so many of them not only Lived for, but Died For.

        Do not turn away from the vast Gifts they bequeathed you with–THE GREAT BOOKS AND CLASSICS.

        Begin today, begin today, all ye fanboyz mashing buttonz in your single-mom’s basements, all you PUA artsitsz trying to get your occkas wet in sterile bungholez and sterilized ginaholez made sterile by the fed’s before and morning after pillz. Begin today, all my fatherless, ritalin-addicted, gold-farming sons and READ the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

        Learn of the HONOR of your FATHERS form Achilles and Moses on down. The tiny-cckcoaaks white-knighting Churchians will scowl and stamp their feet and scream at you that Jesus cam to Abolish the Law, while Jesus himself stated that He came to Fulfill it.

        When you were a child ye partook in childish things–in mashing buttons in your meaningless videogamez.

        But now that you are a Man, it is time to Man Up, which does not mean marrying a babebrnekified beenrnakified butethxted, desouled, single monz, but reading THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

        Begin today my firendz. BEGIINZ TODAYZ.

        I propose that a renaissance in the Great Books and Classics is needed so as to re-instill a more traditional Code of Honor which will enrich the lives of men, women, and children, and liberate us all from the debt-financed debauchery, deconstruction, and debasement.

        All men should begin immediately by reading the following books which the central bankers and their fellow churchians hate, fear, and detest:

        0. THE BIBLE
        1. Homer’s Iliad
        2. Homer’s Odyssey
        3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms
        4. Virgil’s Aeneid
        5. Socrates’ Apology
        6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible
        7. Plato’s Repulic
        8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic
        9. Aristotle’s Poetics
        10. Dante’s Inferno
        11. The Declaration of Independence
        12. The Constitution
        13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost
        14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
        15. Newton’s Principia
        16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments
        17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden
        18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work)
        19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
        20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit
        21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom
        22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick
        23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity
        24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth
        25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed
        26. THE BIBLE

        And as men are reading the Great Books for Men, they must start enacting their principles in the living world, so as to exalt our legal system and universities, for it is not enough to think and read, but virtue is ultimately defined by *action*.

    • Glenbert says:

      Any man who screws another man’s wife should get his head kicked in. Anything less is pure man-boobery. Hell, Traditional societies actually executed people… unless they were people of importance.

      And increasingly, today’s male affair partner is not the alpha you seek. They are increasingly slut walk-supporting, white knight beta males willing to swoop in and save women who are unhaaaaaaaaapy. They lack the game to have sex with available women so they take a cue from rom-coms and are there to just *listen* while your wife bitches about you.

      The sooner we can discourage (or alltogether eliminate) this behavior, the better society will be. Sure the ex-wife represented half the party to the adultery, but when have women ever taken the big picture into consideration? Beat downs are in order, men.

  2. late late late bloomer says:

    #5 i think could have used ‘so does my girlfriend’ or, as you said, a lot of the other ihab lines and been ok. she was looking for an excuse to fall into a situation, it didn’t happen, so you move on. i think it’s doubtful she’ll be back once the initial magic fades away but if she does, great. otherwise don’t spend another moment on her borderline cheating ass that gives her number to strangers when she has a boyfriend.

  3. feministx says:

    “Boyfriend boyfriend boyfriend boyfriend” sigh.

    • Maya says:

      Are you planning to have a baby with anyone?

      • Matthew King says:

        Two whacked chicks’ inner monologues having an accidental exchange. Brilliantly self-centered, brilliantly random.

      • feministx says:

        That’s a hard question for me to answer. Part of me wants a kid so badly. Part of me feels like I wouldn’t be able to handle taking care of a kid every day.

        Sometimes I think I’ll feel like a failure in life if I don’t have a kid. Sometimes I wish there were something completely wrong with my ovaries so that having kids could not be considered my responsibility.

        I don’t care that much about getting married. But if I had one kid, I think I’d want to have 2, so I would want some guy to have 2 kids with me. I have not identified the exact man I want to have a kid with, in case that was what you were asking.

        • Anonymous says:

          Sterilize yourself. You shouldn’t breed. You’re not racially valuable or mentally stable.

        • Rogue Male says:

          “I have not identified the exact man I want to have a kid with, in case that was what you were asking.”

          It’s the man who finally gives you a good, hard, unlubricated ass fucking, pulls out, stuffs his cock in your mouth, blows his load, and you swallow it all. That’s how you’ll know he’s The One.

          Hurry–tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick…

          • feministx says:

            Thanks Rogue Male for your astute recommendation on what should stand as the final criteria for selecting the father of my children. However, even if I restrict myself to only those men willing to engage in the valiant scenario you have described, I fear that I may still need to narrow the playing field somewhat, if I am to belong to only one fella.

          • Rogue Male says:

            You go, girl.

            Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick,tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick…

        • Maya says:

          I don’t know why I asked you that. I didn’t mean anything bad. It’s just that sometimes you sound like you don’t know if you want to stay with your boyfriend forever or not.

        • Part of me wants a kid so badly. Part of me feels like I wouldn’t be able to handle taking care of a kid every day.

          The latter part is correct.

        • I wouldn’t hold out for Mr. Perfect, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

          Your current boyfriend seems like a pretty decent guy (if you’re still with that Sicilian producer dude). You could get hit by a car tomorrow, or any number of other things could happen to mess up your long term plans. I think you should go ahead and make some babies, if that’s what you think you want, or might want someday.

          It’s better to have kids and regret it, than not have kids and regret that.

        • Like my cute friend from the pool hall says, “Everyone should just love each other and make babies.”

  4. lzozozozozozoz

    here is how to handle da textxtx!! GBFM SHOWS D WAYA WAYZ! path ot elenemlighetemenetz/

    Text follow later that day

    GBFM: lez gina sexes nxt weekzlozozl
    GBFM: also I’m rilly glad u thought my cockasz middle eastern
    Her: my mom thought you were middle eastern too (wide eye smiley)
    GBFM: I’m getting both yo asses!
    GBFM: show your mom this (pic of my dark triad gian cocoakskskz and 2 big ballaz) [ed: nicely timed DHV]
    Her: I will
    Her: were you born there?
    GBFM: lez talk about it wit you bent over coffee or something, ezier dan texting
    Her: true
    GBFM: bring da moviesz 2nite lostats cockas 4u

    she comes right overzz!!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      classic – almost spit soda all over my comp

    • Monday., April 22, 4:08pm
      GBFM: Hey Kateee, we shouldz gainasex diis week. -GBFM from Starbfuckz las Thurz

      4:30pm
      Her: Alright, so you definitely caught me off guard, and I’m not going to lie I was pretty flattered. I’m sorry, I just didn’t get a chance to tell you that I have a boyfriend.

      4:40pm
      GBFM: Alright, so you definitely caught me off guard, and I’m not going to lie I was pretty flattered. I’m sorry, I just didn’t get a chance to tell you that I have a bonerz.

      zlzoozozzozlzozlzzzlz

      • WhiskeyOneZulu says:

        +1

        ‘ve been a lurker for a while but this one by GBFM has me rolling, I have to add to your score.

      • Sean says:

        I despise having to scroll past most GBFM replies but I’m dying with this reply. Soooo good.

    • how da GBFM KISSESZ GIRLZZZZZ in starbuzkzk whr i hope to ebeoce a barizstatz bariszta!!!

    • V says:

      “Part of me wants to track this guy down … and beat the shit out of him, just to prove something about my manhood.”

      GBFM forgot to say that in the Odyssey, when Odysseus finally returns home to his wife and son, he killed every last one of those Jodies who were trying to steal his wife.

      But Odysseus can do that because he’s the king.

      • the reason that dat dey had to deocnstruct HOMER and debauch the classicz and teach chruchians to hate the GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ is so tht hey coud butthext and desoul your future wife and you would never do anytyinthing aboutz it zlzoozozzoz

        HOMER’S ODYSSEY

        Book XXII

        Then Ulysses tore off his rags, and sprang on to the broad pavement with his bow and his quiver full of arrows. He shed the arrows on to the ground at his feet and said, “The mighty contest is at an end. I will now see whether Apollo will vouchsafe it to me to hit another mark which no man has yet hit.”

        On this he aimed a deadly arrow at Antinous, who was about to take up a two-handled gold cup to drink his wine and already had it in his hands. He had no thought of death- who amongst all the revellers would think that one man, however brave, would stand alone among so many and kill him? The arrow struck Antinous in the throat, and the point went clean through his neck, so that he fell over and the cup dropped from his hand, while a thick stream of blood gushed from his nostrils. He kicked the table from him and upset the things on it, so that the bread and roasted meats were all soiled as they fell over on to the ground. The suitors were in an uproar when they saw that a man had been hit; they sprang in dismay one and all of them from their seats and looked everywhere towards the walls, but there was neither shield nor spear, and they rebuked Ulysses very angrily. “Stranger,” said they, “you shall pay for shooting people in this way: om yi you shall see no other contest; you are a doomed man; he whom you have slain was the foremost youth in Ithaca, and the vultures shall devour you for having killed him.”

        Thus they spoke, for they thought that he had killed Antinous by mistake, and did not perceive that death was hanging over the head of every one of them. But Ulysses glared at them and said:

        “Dogs, did you think that I should not come back from Troy? You have wasted my substance, have forced my women servants to lie with you, and have wooed my wife while I was still living. You have feared neither Cod nor man, and now you shall die.”

        They turned pale with fear as he spoke, and every man looked round about to see whither he might fly for safety, but Eurymachus alone spoke.

        “If you are Ulysses,” said he, “then what you have said is just. We have done much wrong on your lands and in your house. But Antinous who was the head and front of the offending lies low already. It was all his doing. It was not that he wanted to marry Penelope; he did not so much care about that; what he wanted was something quite different, and Jove has not vouchsafed it to him; he wanted to kill your son and to be chief man in Ithaca. Now, therefore, that he has met the death which was his due, spare the lives of your people. We will make everything good among ourselves, and pay you in full for all that we have eaten and drunk. Each one of us shall pay you a fine worth twenty oxen, and we will keep on giving you gold and bronze till your heart is softened. Until we have done this no one can complain of your being enraged against us.”

        Ulysses again glared at him and said, “Though you should give me all that you have in the world both now and all that you ever shall have, I will not stay my hand till I have paid all of you in full. You must fight, or fly for your lives; and fly, not a man of you shall.”

        Their hearts sank as they heard him, but Eurymachus again spoke saying:

        lzolzolzolzoz

        is sit it any wonderxz tehy give you soulless video gamesz and soullessz ebebrnkaanifieid comiccz bookszz and feminziznienzise and dumb douwn the shcooslslzz shcchoolz ?? Lzozozozozozozolzzol

    • moses says:

      LOL! Literally.

      It took me over a year before I actually started reading GBFM’s comments instead of skipping them. Then some more time and effort for it to click.

      I now see the magnificent depth of his genius. Preach on brother, preach on.

  5. Newly Aloof says:

    Me: Hey Katie, we should go out this week. -Brad from X last Thursday
    Her: Alright, so you definitely caught me off guard, and I’m not going to lie I was pretty flattered. I’m sorry, I just didn’t get a chance to tell you that I have a boyfriend.
    You: I’m your boyfriend’s work buddy. He said you’d never give out your number to a pickup artist. He was wrong. Have a nice day.

    [CH: Slash and burn. I like it.]

    • twentyfour8 says:

      That is awesome. Good for her. But it also makes me despise the land whales I’m surrounded by even more. It’s not that they couldn’t do the same, they just won’t.

  6. Amanjaw Marcuntte says:

    Whenever you feel this feel, just remember that your ex-wife represented one-half of the parties involved in the adultery. Beating the shit out of this dude, if it gets back to her, will only enable her to avoid blame for her own part in her disloyalty.

    Always two steps ahead, bravo.

  7. Maya says:

    “There’s nothing magical about signing on the dotted line that will alter the properties of your character, other than the disincentive magic of divorce theft. But if that’s what you need to keep your lover or yourself in line, perhaps she’s not the one you should be considering for the mother of your children.”

    Wow. So why do you think the institution of marriage was invented? To keep stupid, irresponsible people or people who don’t truly love each other in line?

    [CH: To undermine polygamy.]

    • Maya says:

      Well, I don’t know. Might be true but doesn’t sound particularly romantic. A huge percentage of people had sex/got married because they loved each other not because they were forced by society …

      • Maya says:

        Because in your theory, apparently, men were forced to get married to one woman even though they wanted to sleep with more than one and women were forced to get married to someone they didn’t love because otherwise they would all have sex with an alpha male and ignore the others … Is it like that?

        [CH: No. Older married wives pushed hard for institutional monogamy to reduce competition from younger women. European Christianity codified an organic monogamy because they knew that men with skin in the game was good for civilization. Humans are a pair-bonding species with polygynous tendencies.

        Now stop trolling or you’re out of here. You get one warning.]

        • Maya says:

          “Older married wives pushed hard for institutional monogamy to reduce competition from younger women.”

          Why would they do that?

        • Maya says:

          “Now stop trolling or you’re out of here. You get one warning.”

          I’m not trolling, I’m just talking to you. You’re so rude to me for no reason.

        • Maya says:

          CH, sorry for writing these unnecessary comments … I’m just sad because you always ignore me for really long periods of time :(

        • Maya says:

          I just can’t accept it that I’m not as important for your life as your blog is for me … Please, forgive. Are you completely sure that you and I wouldn’t be a good match? Maybe we can try and if it doesn’t work out, we can still move on and forget about it. What do you think?

        • corvinus says:

          Now stop trolling or you’re out of here. You get one warning.]

          Keep your pimp hand strong

        • Re: Humans are a pair-bonding species with polygynous tendencies.

          To be more accurate, humans are a pair bonding species with *mild* polygynous tendencies.

          To be even more accurate, humans are a pair bonding species with mild tendencies towards male polygyny and covert female promiscuity.

      • tilikum says:

        love has NEVER had damn thing to do with marriage…..to a woman. are you new?

  8. ConnubialBliss says:

    and there is the overwrought aloofness that men who are suddenly afraid of success will resort to as a mechanism for avoiding the pain of a rejection that heretofore only exists in their heads

    Oh no, I’ve just been described perfectly. :(

  9. PimpinBlueStar says:

    Player #5: This whole situation makes me think of when sometimes at the horse races the grounds crew will try to lead the horse into the starting gate and the horse will start bucking and refusing. The more force you use, the more it will resist.

    The key is to drop the effort, pet it’s face, scratch it’s chin and walk it right on in.

    Basic sales: Empathize with the other person first, focus on what they want and what you need will be easier to come by later.

    I see a pivot phrase to do this “I don’t even know you, Brad.” “I’m independent too…for $$ I sell salmon and peel bananas.”

    the desire is there with this chick but the playfulness needs to be increased. Get her mind off the fact that she’s about to commit a crime by being the more fun option.

    • some dude says:

      I like your analogy. Can you expand on or clarify the ‘pivot’ statement about bananas. I’m not getting something.

      • PimpinBlueStar says:

        ok sure. I define “pivot” as the point in the conversation where one of two things can happen: 1) we remain going in the same direction (in this instance it’s the persistent bagdering to get her to go out to the bar and thus leading us nowhere) or 2) move the convo in a different direction where we can be the boss of her by getting her to react to me and leading us to something mutually beneficial…instead of just CHASE CHASE CHASE and watch her run even further. Much like a railroad switch works, in conversation we want to seek opportunities to “pivot” the convo going forward in the right direction that leads us to the better destination (post coital bliss vs. hand cranking to Lisa Ann). Almost all conversations, whether it’s pimping a chick or just random chit chat with someone on the subway, work like this.

        I define “boss” as, in any interaction, the person who is not reacting to the other. You set the frame, the other falls into it. If you react to someone emotionally (a laugh, anxiety, too quick to answer, pissed off, etc.) then you are giving up power/control on some level.

        “Well I’m not sure what this has to do with my independence but I can’t meet you especially when I don’t even know you, Brad.”

        ^^This statement to me is ripe. Not only is this chick continuing to respond back to him despite the bad game being thrown at her (no disrespect) but she’s throwing out lots of bait to take it and make her tingle. There’s lots of directions to take this.

        In mine I threw out the banana line because a) it’s low commitment bullshit that she can either laugh at or call me weird, either way reacting to me and b) now it’s on my course, the way I want it. I’ve now pivoted the conversation away from something too heavy where she’s thinking “woah this guy just wants something from me” to “lol you’re lying! what do you really do?”.

  10. Schmitt says:

    Re: text game. You know what I’ve noticed with text game and game in general? Its that the more women you are talking to, the more risky you can play your interactions with other women. The more risky (cocky and funny) you play it, the better they respond. If I were feeling frisky, I’d text her something that amuses myself, such as “Your boyfriend says hes busy playing video games tonight” The shorter the better, with no effort to punctuate, ever.

    If you play it safe and chase after them, it repels them. I have learned this the hard way, with girls just straight up going cold on me after being too nice to them LOL (Like all contact cut off LOL)

    My buddy made an awesome statement the other day, and I laugh out loud every time I think of it!

    “No one wants to feed a starving dog” LOL

    [CH: Good comment. Solid, tight, powergut propelled.]

    • X says:

      Yep. Works really well.

      Every time I catch myself slipping into beta mode over text, I start randomly texting a lot of females. Slows down response times, I don’t have to keep waiting for the phone to buzz, don’t have to pay particular attention to any particular girl, randomly change topic in between or whimsical reactions, if one of the girls starts getting too irritating I just stop replying to her, easy as.

      This strengthens one’s frame every single time.
      Natural outcome dependence is a good thing.

      Unless of course, one is so bad at texting that none of the girls reply or one tends to become a virtual girlfriend for all of these girls.

  11. Adam says:

    The texts were so cringe worthy. I admire the persistence but it’s coming from a wrong frame of mind.

  12. PetiteOlive says:

    OT: So just found out my work contract won’t be renewed, being crying hysterically all day. Sad days y’all :(

    • pulsotic says:

      Oh no, they caught you using your saguaro while reading heartiste?

    • Anon says:

      Why don’t you become a housewife and keep the race going (if you’re racially valuable)?

      • PetiteOlive says:

        coincidentally been getting the future housewife talks with the BF…..this is an area I think feminist ideology has affected me: the idea of being totally financially reliant on my future hubby scares me, no matter how rich they potentially are. I just think it might be awkward trying to explain why I bought a 3grand purse etc. Financial independence = freedom always (to me)

        • Re: Financial independence = freedom always (to me)

          Financial independence will make you free, but there’s a good chance it won’t make you happy.

          My preferred situation would be a partner who works but makes substantially less than I do.

        • Matthew King says:

          You are infected. Cut all of that feminist malignancy out of you, with a spoon if you must.

          Law was an expensive diversion for you. I know many lawyer classmates who were sold a bill of goods and couldn’t escape the scam. Now get on with your life and become who you truly are supposed to be.

          This is the real liberation. You are still young enough to treat it as such, but not for much longer. What you call “financial independence” is not “freedom”; it is your excuse not to take risks or to invest in the people you imagine you love.

          You will find many ways to use your law degree/experience as a supplement to a different life. But you have allowed it to define your vocation — the financial investment alone makes it the driving force of your identity. The degree will become a great complementary asset once you have settled into your primary purpose in life, which always must involve family. Legal skills are applicable to every business, every career pursuit.

          You already know this, and it “scares” you. It’s called growing up. What alternative do you imagine you have? To keep all options open forever? To live is to chose. Consult your father and brothers. You are smart enough to calculate risks. Are you brave enough to take them?

          Matt

        • You paid $3000 for a purse?

          Did that purse bring you eternal love, multiple orgasms or some super hero powers?

          • PetiteOlive says:

            always had one-itis for the Vuittons, Hermes and Balenciagas Matt.

          • Matthew King says:

            That would be three-itis.

            Or were you going for the three-in-one mystery of the Holy Trinity?

        • cynthia says:

          See, I’m the exact opposite. Not that I want to sit on my ass and never work after I get married, but I am utterly fine with the idea of trading “financial independence” for a steady, solid, affectionate relationship. The modern workplace is bullshit. It’s a soul-sucking, meaningless, horrible place.

          I would much rather be at home, raising my husband’s kids, making dinner and volunteering in the local community. You know, things which make my man feel appreciated, our children feel loved, and generally having a positive impact on the people around me who matter. Which is something that no woman actually gets from having the financial independence to buy a new Michael Kors every month.

          And… did you grow up in a two-parent home? You ever see your mom go off for a few days? Trust me, just because you’re financially dependent on your husband, he’s dependent on you for basically everything else. Both sexes bring something unique to a relationship. The biggest crime of feminism has been convincing women that their contributions mean nothing.

    • Stilicho says:

      Well, so we have one less lawyercunt billing time.

      So what?

      • jez says:

        If she’s a lawyer, then I’m surprised at her sloppy use of the written word. I suppose she means that she’s “BEEN crying hysterically all day”.

        You have to wonder if her imprecise use of language was a factor in her contract not being renewed.

        • Stilicho says:

          +1

        • PetiteOlive says:

          Jez, I know my language skillz suck. I blame it on never being properly trained in the English writing department; undergrad degree was Bachelor of Science (Honors) in neuroscience and in L.S. I took mostly litigation oriented classes. I rarely do extensive writing and drafting but I am an excellent oralist/litigator, you should see me…lol…I spend most days in court. So yes, my writing sucks but most importantly, if I was doing any job related writing, I am sure I would expend more energy editing than I would writing on a blog.

        • “… You have to wonder if her imprecise use of language was a factor in her contract not being renewed….”

          Or maybe she was more interested in buying $3000 purses than she was in doing the job right.

          • PetiteOlive says:

            CF- I already addressed the purse issue below. but I guess it would make sense to explain why my contract was not renewed. This was my first job straight out of LS and I have been with them for 2 yrs. There is a huge pay differential after 2 years. The firm I was with could not afford to increase my pay and I was not willing to continue with the same pay. I could have still stayed there if I wanted to continue with the same salary for another year. I just couldn’t. My job performance was not an issue.

            I am more saddened by the fact that this was my first real structured job save for bar tending I did in my undergrad. The people at my work became somewhat of a family to me and i really loved working there and with them. I am afraid of starting in a new place and not having the same fit with my former mates. The monetary issue is secondary in all honesty.

          • PetiteOlive says:

            although now that I think about it, there might have been days when I could have sworn, I reeked of whiskey IN THE MORNING and people would ask if I had been drinking (sometimes I have a shot (or two) in the morning before work) I have been told they work wonders for hangovers…but again, I see no correlation with job performance lol.

          • yeahokcool says:

            You are fucked up. And, you are a good example of why women make lousy lawyers. Despite your “polished” exteriors, all women lawyers are still women. However, the one good thing about interacting with women lawyers (we, thankfully, have none at my firm) is that game still applies and works.

          • PetiteOlive says:

            @ yeakokcool….I never claimed to be normal. I have always alluded to my craziness! I am not and I like it that way. Of our five first new hires (3 boys and 2 girls), one boy and I were the only two that got kept on for the second year. Hate all you want, it is what it is. I don’t really care about proving things online (already bored as is).

          • Alexander says:

            “…That game still applies and works..”

            After some time working together it may not be true.
            All of my(closer) friendships with girls are some kind of quazi relationships, and they turn hot – cold constantly.
            So once they got enough of you, your humor, and your way of thinking or doing things, no game can mitigate that.
            And NAWALT of course.

    • Anonymous says:

      On top of everything, you’re incompetent too?

    • Man says:

      Being a lawyer sucks.

    • Man says:

      You boriqua? It’s Puerto Ricans who describe self as olive, no?

      • PetiteOlive says:

        I have olive skin mixed with six ethnicities but pass as a tanned white with ‘exotic’ features…(Irish, Greek, Native American, Thai, Latvia and some African country..don’t really know the history of the last one and the Thai one, don’t really ask/care

        • Anonymous says:

          You sound “interesting “. It’s not your fault but you were lied to by fat feminists. You’d have a much happier life if you were, say, a flamenco dancer instead if a lawyer. Why wound a gender want to be “independent” when they can be taken care if just for being thin and nice ? I’d love girls good looking woman. “Mg equivalent l to take care of be in exchsnvhfe for sex and me bring sweet. That’s really all it takes. Women have it easy

          • Anonymous says:

            iPhone. In other words men must slave away as lawyers and accountants. For women working that kind if soul crushing job is optional. Why would a thin woman choose such a terrible career?!?!??!

          • Anonymous says:

            You should have them your ballet lessons seriously. Then you could be a professional ballerina. Exercise as a job and you’d marry one if the hetero make dancers. Retire and open own dance school. Perfect life.

          • Anonymous says:

            iPhone autocorrect is garbage.

        • Matthew King says:

          Run with the Latvian 16th of you.

          • PetiteOlive says:

            I dunno, guys tend to dig the Thai/Irish and Native parts more ;)

          • n/a says:

            I love the well-blended pussy, esp. when the result is moist, smooth and flawless olive skin.

            How could they terminate such a luscious little dynamo in a skirt?

            You did not spend enough time *under* the desk, Petite One. ;)

    • n/a says:

      Don’t sweat it too much, kiddo. You’re a smart chick, you’ll bounce back no problem.

      And there’s always Spinner Escorts, Inc. ;)

    • Neecy says:

      Ok you can cry but only for today. Tomorrow you will start putting positive energy out in the universe that you will find something new AND better than your last contract. You will also promise to put all your efforts into finding new work and not feel sorry for yourself.

      K? :smile:

      • PetiteOlive says:

        you are awesome Neecy! I needed that e-pep talk!

        • Stilicho says:

          Any woman who can even joke about spending $3,000 on a purse deserves to be unemployed for a good, long while.

          And with today’s legal market, you will be.

          No more reading depositions late at night while drinking scotch!

          Maybe GBFM can get you a job as a barista at Starbucks….?

          • Creo says:

            Awesome PetiteOlive. Now you can finally starting writing your autobiography..
            Lord knows you have field-tested it enough on us poor bastards here…kidding.

          • PetiteOlive says:

            dude, a $3,000 dollar purse is really NOT that big of a deal. I have no student loans, credit card debt or car payments to make. The only thing I pay for is my rent and car insurance. I have quite a bit saved up (believe it or not)… I honestly don’t know why that hit a nerve, it is not like I am scamming some poor guy into buying stuff for me or anything, this is something I worked hard, yes sometimes 10-12 hour days for and yes, I am a girl and yes, I like purses. Gawwd.

    • Matthew King says:

      CH turns into PetiteOlive’s Facebook wall! Bask, Princess O.

      • Stilicho says:

        But don’t bask too long…you have resumes to send out.

      • PetiteOlive says:

        Well this is the only blog I comment on and I don’t have facebook…so yea…sorry! lol

        • cynthia says:

          tumblr.com

          • PetiteOlive says:

            yea no tumblr either or instagram or any other social stuff, actually

        • Anonymous says:

          Fuck I need a petite olive to give me more kids. I already have a ring to give the lucky lady who is smart enough to be nice to me. All you have to do is be a 7 and be nice. It’s really not asking too much. I’m nice. Why can’t women simply be nice??!?

        • Bel Riose says:

          “I have olive skin mixed with six ethnicities but pass as a tanned white with ‘exotic’ features…(Irish, Greek, Native American, Thai, Latvia and some African country..”

          I don’t believe a word of this.

          Frankly, it sounds like female self-delusion, mixed with a healthy dose of sheer fantasy and wishful thinking.

          Anyway…you’re out of a job, or soon will be.

          Good.

          The last thing the legal profession needs is a lawyercunt taking a job away from some poor schmuck who also bought into the law school scam, but who has a wife to support and kids to feed.

          Let’s look on the bright side, though.

          No job means no internet.

          No internet means no posting comments on this site.

          No posting comments on this site means we won’t have to put up with your inane ramblings any more.

          And that’s a thing of beauty, considering this site is already overrun by females trying to earn admission to what was supposed to be a boy’s – only club.

          Bottom line is, I guess I’m not seeing a downside to your imminent unemployment….?

          • Anon says:

            Unless her connected bf from the mafia pays her internet bill.

            Frightening thought.

          • Stilicho says:

            @ Anon — I think you’re confusing our soon-to-be unemployed lawyercunt with feministx: it was the latter slut, I believe, who claimed her boyfriend was in the Mob.

            Your point is well taken, though. It would be nice to be rid of one (or both) of these harpies once and for all.

          • Anon says:

            I’m not sure anymore if it was the mafia, but I half-remember petiteolive talking about a tough ex-con new boyfriend.

            You might think that these bitches might learn something reading this blog. You think wrong.

          • PetiteOlive says:

            I have saved enough (even with $3,000 dollars purses and all)….beauty of have middle upper class parents that paid my tuition and living expenses sooo…..no #student loans….

          • Matthew King says:

            Ha, you bitter MGTOW. Go get download your PM dose of HD porn. You’re showing signs of withdrawal. Fuck! how you let bitches get under your skin.

          • PetiteOlive says:

            lol ok

          • PetiteOlive says:

            “I don’t believe a word of this.”
            Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn. xo

  13. Marellus says:

    Me: Hey Katie, we should go out this week. -Brad from X last Thursday

    Her: Alright, so you definitely caught me off guard, and I’m not going to lie I was pretty flattered. I’m sorry, I just didn’t get a chance to tell you that I have a boyfriend.

    Me : Then you leave me no choice … I’ll have to GBFM you …

    Her : What ?

    Me : lolzlolzlolzlolz

    Her : I don’t understand ?

    Me : …. coz you have been benaknified bernakniefied

    Her : What do you mean ?

    Me : watches da espn highlights and reads homer’s odyssey.

    Her : Huh ?

    Me : PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do nottry this on your own as da GBFM needz you out there buying them drinkz all night and getting them dinnerz as i don’t want no hos eating my puizzaaa and heinekinz beerz!!!!

    Her : lol

    Me : lozlzlzlolzlzl

    Sorry GBFM, I couldn’t help myself …

    • Scott says:

      1. Ha
      2. Would this work?

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      • Anonymous says:

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  14. The reason not to “beat up” the other guy is because it is elevating the woman, like she is some prize to fight over. This just lowers your own value.

    Why be angry? He didn’t rob you of your chance for happiness, he was just the random guy it happened to be when she went whoring. If it wasn’t him, it would’ve been some other random guy. Or 10 other random guys. It liberated you from being stuck in a bad relationship for the rest of your life with a whore who was deceiving you. Something you were too emasculated to do for yourself, at the time.

    Do you beat up the guy who takes away your garbage? Or the doctor who pulls the leech off your nutsack?

    You’re angry at yourself for letting that leech suck away for so many years, or at the leech itself — but women, like leeches, are incapable of logic and only behave according to instinct and conditioning (like fear of an electric shock). And since it doesn’t do any good to be angry at an amoral creature, you are misdirecting your rage at the de-leecher, but that’s counterproductive.

    This is like in Braveheart where the guy needs to get an arrow pulled out, and then punches the guy who pulls it out of him.

    Yeah, it hurts. So what?

    Be aware of lashing out at and blaming everyone around you, not taking responsibility for yourself. That’s what women do.

    • Tartarus says:

      What a bunch of pussies. If someone fucks your wife you obliterate them. It doesn’t matter that she isn’t worth anything, if a man shits in your yard you kick their ass even if the shit fertilizes the grass.

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        which teach honor
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        but honro honor is not protfiftable to teh cnetra central babnkerz
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      • Glenbert says:

        +1

        As I said above, “Any man who screws another man’s wife should get his head kicked in. Anything less is pure man-boobery.”

        Pathetic.

    • the entire iliad/trojan war was caused by a man fighting to win his woman back

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  15. anon says:

    I can’t fucking believe she kept replying over and over and over….I would have nexted so much sooner.

  16. n/a says:

    Seeing a man “texting” is like watching Cary Grant knitting.

    • Texting is unavoidable when pursuing pretty, young, fertile women. Feel free to kneecap your own chances, though.

      More tail for me.

      • n/a says:

        Nope.

        Try this: “I don’t text.”

        I like to hear their breathy baby voices on my landline. It’s like a new thing for them; and it’s fun to make a heretofore text-only slut salivate when she hears your voice.

        • i was talkin bout this yesterday. Theres truth to this. I dunno what it is but talking to a chick on the phone can be like crack to them if your voice is low and soft. Still havent applied the “call only” policy en masse with young girls though. i wonder if the frame is strong enough that young girls would answer.

          • Neecy says:

            I think a call only policy def makes a man stand out and look really mature/alpha. Now if you simply don’t have a smartphone, then that may be kinda weird to them (or anyone for that matter). Everyone has cell phones. So I would think your frame would look strong ONLY if she knows you have a phone to actually text, but choose not to do it.

          • the latent sadist says:

            interesting. hadnt thought of it from that angle. couldnt
            agree more with what you said abput our communication being inhuman. It makes me fucking crazy i hate it.

          • Kate says:

            What is not to love about hearing a man’s voice in your ear. It is intimate. I would recommend more men do this in person too.

        • Neecy says:

          I agree N/A. *ALL* women of all ages love to hear a males voice on the other end of the line. When i want to hear his voice, I usually will hold off on the texts to make sure that we speak directly b/c I like hearing his voice on the other end. Def makes a girl get the *warm & fuzzes*

          Also the guy I see is not a big texter unless its quick like texts about plans or just making a short comment to me about something.

          This culture we live in not interpersonal anymore. The less human interaction the more satisfied people are – i don’t get it. Can’t say I blame the younger crowd for relying mainly on electronics for communication since that is all they grew up with and know, but there is just something missing when most of the communication is via text messaging, Facebook, email etc..

          • corvinus says:

            You hate texting and staring at your phone all the time? You sound like my kinda girl.

          • Neecy says:

            UGH its annoying. now I do go heavy on texts with girlfriends, but not the man. he is not one for texting and I love it cause I prefer to hear his voice anyway.

            Believe me I have cousins under 30 and under and all they do is sit on their phone all day looking and texting. I have a cousin who is TH-IR-TEEE yes THIRTEE years old and she cannot sit her phone down for 3 minutes! Its very annoying and odd to me.

            We’re at family dinner functions and she’s on her phone. Instagraming, facebooking, texting – ALL DAY EVERY DAY no matter what she’s doing or where we are at. I think its retarded…..

            She came to my b-day dinner last month at a Japaense restaurant with another 20 something relative and they sat ON THEIR PHONES all throughout the dinner texting and instagramming and facebooking. I got pissed and called them out asking why they even bothered coming if they were going to sit on their phones all night. They could barely eat their dinner b/c they were texting, instagramming. UGH!

        • corvinus says:

          If you have an alpha voice, by all means, do it.

          I’m pretty sure that my own voice is uber-lame, although perhaps less so now than a couple years ago.

        • Johnny Caustic says:

          Recently read this technique, tried it, am completely sold: when you want to call a girl, text her first with something light about your day. When she texts back, call immediately; she’ll almost always answer right away.

          It way beats calling 7 times trying to get her when she can answer the phone. I’ll never go back to calling without texting first (except for girls I’m already fucking).

      • My women friends tell me ‘text always, don’t call.’

        I sometimes will text “Call me when you’re free’ if I want to talk on the phone.

        • corvinus says:

          I sometimes will text “Call me when you’re free’ if I want to talk on the phone.

          beta

    • Matthew King says:

      Mummies like n/a give conservatism a bad name.

      Texting is just another medium of communication, with advantages and disadvantages. Just like calligraphy on parchment. Just like the carrier pigeon. Just like Skype. Conservatives don’t attempt to conserve old ways that have been transcended. They honor what was good about those ways without recklessly rushing into novelty for novelty’s sake in the name of the idol “progress.”

      You can bring an old school temperament to new ways. If you don’t know how to do that, you become stuffy, inflexible, rigor-mortised, impotent, useless. Yes, our conservative advantage presents itself outside of technological props because we are independent of them. Being sufficiently respectful of traditions that work and should have never been superseded is part of the balance. But being nimble enough to bring one’s persona onto new platforms is the other part.

      Cary Grant would have pulled out his iPhone the way he pulled out his cigarettes. As an extension of his suavity, not as an affectation, and certainly not as an obsession, and never ever as a social shield. CH’s criticism (“But, hey, those smartphones are nifty, right?”) is a comment about our dependency on a social crutch, not a condemnation of new technology — like, say, this website — used in proper doses and in effective ways.

      Criticizing tools rather than skills is an indicator of poor craftsmanship. We do what we can, with what we have, where we are. We improvise, we adapt, we overcome:

      Lance Corporal Fragetti: It’s not my fuckin’ fault, man. The fuckin’ weapon’s fuckin’ fucked up.

      Gunny Highway: [takes rifle and fires bullseyes] There’s nothing wrong with that rifle. Keep it tight.

      Smartphones are the nuclear weapons of the information age. Yeah, war was nobler when it was up-close-and-personal fencing between gentlemen. But once gunpowder was invented, you weren’t just a fool to pout about the advancement, you were a dead fool.

      Matt

      • the latent sadist says:

        well said king

        • Anon says:

          Everything the man says is well-said.

          • n/a says:

            Are you *the* “Anon,” the Anon’s Anon of old?

            I wondered where you went. You don’t post much these days.

          • Anon says:

            Yes… and no. That’s the beauty of it.

            I’m just busy that’s all. And a little bored with all this shit to be honest.

            Keep rocking.

      • n/a says:

        *Carrier.* Nice catch.–

      • Alexander says:

        Dude!

        But why on heaven do you suck in matters of game?
        With things like this you can pull 10s.

        – i had with much less of the things you demonstrate here

        Sure it’s complicated, since 8s and even 9s don’t fall for that, but 10s are different set of shoes.

        With little bit of game, and attitude and self confidence like this + your encyclopedia knowledge that can fashion you in more intellectual circles as an expert(self confident expert that is valued by men and women … causes wetness levels to exceed the clouds)…

        • Alexander says:

          “causes wetness levels to exceed the clouds)…” That is, in the 10s I was talking about.

          First signs are definitely wild IOI’s that you’ll get with demonstrated insight in the subjects that the particular chick is interested in.
          Of course it has to be executed with unshakable confidence and not be (successfully) rebuked by anyone – all of which you do posses, hopefully in person too.

          I mean is it faith or something else that prevents you from that,

          heh are you a priest?

    • n/a says:

      Texting feminizes men in surprising ways, and by purely physical mechanisms, to wit:

      1. Most men have bad posture: their shoulders are narrow and slump forward. The default posture of today’s young and not-so-young males is precisely the opposite of those expansive and luxuriously masculine stances which, merely assumed, increase testosterone.

      Texting forces men into essentially feminine postures and lowers their testosterone. The effect is undoubtedly large.–

      2. Most smartphones have very aggressively back-lit screens. Such screens have a strikingly negative effect on sleep, and rob men of the deep phase sleep during which endogenous HGH is secreted.

      In short, all your time spent arguing the niceties of paleo, protein and powerlifting on the Misc. are for naught if you fail to enter the deep, hormonally restorative phases of sleep.

      At the very least, all males should install flux.exe on their “communication” appliances, or suffer the surprisingly serious consequences.

      In short and in sum and in fine: do not text. It punishes your androgen profile in excess of its benefits.–

  17. Third Beta From the Sun says:

    Whoa CH, this ‘shes still replying’ sounds like encouraging an Orbiter!

  18. Dr. Giggles says:

    With regards to question 3, women love nothing more than two men fighting for her affection. It’s a super validation for them. Never blame the guy getting it in with your woman. He’s getting it in just like you would. That’s what guys are built for. Your feelings of jealousy and insecurity are a female thing. Women love being jealous…guys don’t.

    Consider in this scenario…is the guy even aware of your existence? Cheating whores don’t bring up “I have a boyfriend.” Only women who are committed or single say that. If she did mention you, she probably spun it by painting you as a psycho ex who’s stalking her, or emotionally distant boyfriend who didn’t love her enough. Those statements certainly bring out the white knight in most men.

  19. Reader #4 was brutal to read. The game seemed try-hard after a while.

    I’m a firm believer that the text game should be used to build on rapport, not desperately set up a meeting at the first sign of opportunity. By doing the former, it’s likely that a common interest or a shared curiosity will emerge, giving her a reason to want to meet you.

    If I was trying to sell you a product, I’d approach you with confidence (which you did), but then I’d give you a reason to come into my store. If you just say “don’t worry, just come in,” you’ve created no push-pull, no ‘conflict’ that needs resolution.

    “Getting to know her through text” can be as simple as asking her preference on things (“vanilla or chocolate”) or starting from “so what do you do for fun” and taking it from there. Little personality reads can be fun for her (and you), too.

  20. heythatsmycar says:

    @ the dude who wants kids/legacy.

    I cannot emphasis enough CH’s advice that you marry a virgin if you want children and to successfully raise a family. (NB. in most cases, marriage will be the a prerequisite for a virgin, defacto/cohabitation usually won’t fly). You will need to look outside the US/Western nations to find one (I had to).

    I would go one step further – and I know this will get me blow back from the manosphere, but here me out. I recommend you practice periodic abstinence (no sex during ovulation/natural family planning). There is a growing body of evidence (actively undermined or outright suppressed by the Cathedral) that this reduces infertility and dramatically improves psychological “bonding”. Women who make a conscious effort to understand the fertility cycles report being “more womanly” (ie display more “feminine” traits than those that use artificial contraception). Reports of MUCH lower rates of infidelity and marriage failure.

    Having a “traditional” family will bring you a lot of hate. I get it all the time. My wife has had all kinds of bile thrown at her by doctors/nurses because she refuses to go on the pill (“wow, just wow”, “don’t you know your rights”). But it’s working.

    • cynthia says:

      I’m pretty sure that the hormones in the pill fuck with a woman’s head. Because… hormones. Isn’t there some evidence that it changes the way they look at men (ie, prefering beta-type personalities over alpha)? A 14 year old girl going on the pill (which is a common thing, mostly for acne and cramps) has to lose some of her femininity in the long term.

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s true that hormones screw with women’s heads. My husband and I just do “NTNP” – “not trying, not preventing” – which means that we are open to pregnancies/babies whenever they naturally happen. But, my husband also cycles steroids periodically, and I believe they make him temporarily sterile. We’ve been married for a year and a half now and we have one child so far. I feel so liberated living life this way – contrary to what the ‘womens liberation’ movement says about how women should live.

  21. the latent sadist says:

    yeah to that last reader…its over now. You gotta learn to accept when things have fizzled out. Its like losing a life in a video game. Just go out, find a new girl to try again with. Shit is so common, theres so much bullshit you have to be on top of to move things along smoothly. A great thing ive come to accept is the truth of any seduction…when its gone its gone. Soon you stop internalizing it, investing in the girl, and youre able to shake the sting of a botched seduction off faster. Lots of rejection will do that.

    • immoralgables says:

      Thanks for posting that I read it before going out last night and it got me out of a bad headspace I was in.

      • the latent sadist says:

        no prob dude. its easier said than done im still improving. i just know it to be the truth. but if im honest with myself, i dwell on failed seductions way less than i used to and move on faster.

  22. YaReallyAWOL says:

    #5: Change her mood, not her mind. And qualify her so your reason for meeting up is something that won’t trigger her ASD, by not having a reason (thus her “what’s in it for you?”) she just defaults to assuming sex and her ASD won’t let her meet up.

    That kind of plowing can work on a single girl but you have to calibrate for the taken ones and help them skirt around their own ASD to not feel guilty pursuing what they secretly deep-down want.

    Aaaaand now it’s bar-time. Friday woo!

    • Anonymous says:

      What’s the most common subject of conversations you lead with 20yrold chicks that you never saw before.

      I’m kinda AFC and can’t find right things to talk about with girls.
      If I know her context than I find the words I don’t know how, but I can’t do much of a random pickup though…
      Thanks in advance.

  23. Mitch Cumstein says:

    To the guy with the online dating profile,

    Women do not use them to set dates. It’s another way to glean compliments in addition to Facebook, twitter, instagram, Pinterest, Xanga…whatever.

    If she gives you her number, it will most likely be just so she has one more person to text, with no intention to meet up. UNLESS…you go bold with something sexual from the get-go. What do you have to lose?

  24. jake han says:

    Brilliant. stating that humans are increasingly r-selected. compared to our bigger/healthier hunter gatherer ancestors, we def match the r-selected criteria: smaller, mature faster, shitty parenting, high fertility, dumber/lower quality ppl.

  25. jake han says:

    Hey Chateau,

    Check this article out. You were wondering why American women are so butch. This article is so non-PC, yet so full of truth.

    http://www.koanicsoul.com/blog/a-critique-of-anonymous-conservatives-rk-selection-theory/

    “Feminism is r-type
    In r-type populations, females exhibit more male traits, such as increased size, aggression, and competitiveness. In this milieu, this is an effective aspect of an r-strategy, as r-females need to both provide for their offspring, and fend off threats, due to male abandonment.

    It is interesting that modern feminism, so often associated with the left, exhibits a denigrating view of the rewards offered by offspring rearing, an embrace of sexual liberation for women (ie promiscuity), a denigrating view of men which would facilitate short-term mating relationships, as well as an increased drive to compete aggressively alongside males, in traditionally male endeavors.”

    Likewise, r-type males will become more effeminate.”

    just a small excerpt

    • thwack says:

      “White glacial Europe was K-selective. The smart survived. The dumb froze or starved. Fecundity focused on stable, slow growth. Hence, Neanderthal man evolved the capacity for thought.”
      ——————————————————————————-

      Africa is a much more hostile enviroment than Europe; especially at night time. You’ve been watching too many Tarzan movies. You wouldn’t last 24 hours in the jungle.

      Why?

      cause man cannot live off whine and butthurt. Don’t give me that R/K crap. Europe is JROTC, Africa is mortal combat. Everything there will eat you if you got no game; you may hafta live off a bowl of mosquitoes and some donkey teeth for a few days…

      And what is it with all the white guy neanderthal support group talk? That aggin went tits up; are you blamin saggin for that too?

      “Neanderthal man evolved the capacity for thought.”

      and promptly spent all his time butt hurt singing negro spirituals: “nobody knows de troubo I seen.. nobody knows but Jeebus…”

      (((shakin my head)))

    • Glenbert says:

      Loses logical credibility when it asserts that homosexuality is somehow r-selective. Homosexuality doesn’t really have any relevance in this discussion, unless the politcal ax you are looking to grind outweighs the scientific one.

  26. Dr Caveman says:

    #4 Stop having these vengeance fantasies about your ex’s new partner. He was only the tool revealing her nature, and now he is stuck with her aging ass. You, in the mean time, are in spring time Paris! Don’t waste a second thinking about your ex’s new man. Instead, spend that energy and creativity on the local girls. French girls have a lot going for them that post-wall women lost long ago

  27. Unrelated to your OP, but a game tip I thought I’d pass along learned from experience that I don’t know you’ve ever addressed-

    Try to avoid conversations/exchanges when overly tired/fatigued.

    If this isn’t somewhere in the canon, it should be, alongside becoming drunk to the point of lost control.
    Same results as when you’re drunk but without the excuse.

    You’ll say more than you intended. You’ll be more emotional. Your wit will be slow and cumbersome. It is a recipe for coming off as a jackass rather than aloof. Very easy for small, poorly delivered jabs to devolve into a fight. Women loooove to fight more in late night hours for some reason indecipherable to me. Maybe its an urge to get some passion going, even if negative. It’s counterproductive though as it has never inspired me to anything other than annoyance. Maybe other men enjoy this. Anyway, 95% of arguments I’ve had have been post midnight (before you can go there, unrelated to anything sexual, jackasses)
    Unless it’s a girl I’ve built with a rapport with, especially one that I’m sure the conversation will result in comfy sleep inducing phone sex, they get a “hey, it’s been a long day, let’s pick this up another night”.
    It keeps you in control, keeps your tongue in check, and rather than hanging onto a waning tired conversation, you exit early not being the last guy to leave the party.

    I know all the above is obvious. But it seems to be one of those small things that it’s easy to get caught off guard by. It can be very comfortable to talk when you’re tired, you’ll want to talk more, subconsciously driven to ramble inanely. And other than as a short indulgence before signing or stroking off, a very bad idea.

    Conversely, I guess I should add, when a woman is overly tired, it’s a great time to push hard. Again, the brain chemistry seems to operate very similarly to intoxication. So I’ve used it strategically in situations where drinks were not conceivable. Late night increased acceptance of physicality from a coworker, almost a 100% closure rate indicator for me. If not that night, then soon. Even better if you’re the manager and can manipulate schedules.

    I don’t know how all the good looking girls ended up working the late shift with me… weird. Just lucky I guess.

    *heheheh*

  28. walawala says:

    #4 I’ve come a looooooong way since first discovering game 3 years ago. But one area I still constantly struggle with is #4′s question of “That’ll show ‘em”.

    It bothers me that people in my social circle gossip about me to girls I’m gaming or banging.

    I lost it recently telling the girl she should be walking away from conversations like this or defending me.

    All i got was push back from her saying she “needed to hear all sides”..,,or some nonsense.

    It was a major set-back.

    So do whatever you have to do to distract yourself from those thoughts of “getting even” or whatever emotion you think you’re feeling.

    Game…as I need to remind myself isn’t as much about banging chicks as it is the mindset needed to bang tons of chicks.

    Think of it as showing off and you’re “try hard” not DHV.

    I also expressed anger at the girl I’m banging for “not respecting me”.

    Big mistake.

    All she did was rationalize it and in the end it made me seem beta.

    I chalk it up to a “test” of whether game and game techniques really work.

    Try to reason, or apply “anger” and you get push-back.

    Agree and Amplify, freeze-out, walk-away, or what-ever and you’re more in control…and that really is what it’s about isn’t it? Being in control

    When some guy who’s banging your wife is still in your head—SHE is still in control and despite all the alpha-growth you’ve got, you’re still not there.

    Walk away…and you win. Game is often counter-intuitive…

  29. Jose says:

    Coming across this website at age 21 was like putting on glasses that lets you see the truth of the world.

  30. cynthia says:

    About the virgin thing…

    I understand the basic psychology of how promiscuity lowers a woman’s ability to bond as deeply with her tenth partner as her first. Not questioning that at all. Sluts make bad wives, virgins make good ones.

    But isn’t there something else at work here? Like, the woman’s character, personality, and inclinations?

    The worst thing in the world for a woman is to be, or to feel, excluded from the group. This is why things like boy bands, those fucking Twilight novels, and feminism sell so well to women; if you can create a perception that all women (or the cool women) are into something, everyone else is going to jump on the bandwagon. It’s the same function in a woman’s head that lets you alpha your way into her panties. We never want to be seen as “failing” in the expectations others have on us.

    When sex is sold as the right kind of “empowered” lifestyle, it’s going to become something that women will instinctively see as a behavior that they must emulate. In today’s culture, virginity has become such an oddity that quite a few women feel compelled to get rid of it, as quickly and emotionlessly as possible. It’s become a social expectation that a girl CAN’T be a virgin, and that guys don’t expect or even want virgin girls.

    Resisting that kind of societal pressure, for a woman, is difficult. Like, extremely, extremely difficult. That takes a strength of character (or at least, a religious conviction) and the kind of self-awareness and forethought that promiscuous girls aren’t really forced to develop, especially in the realm of relationships or sex. When you’re on birth control and you lost your hymen at sixteen, what’s it matter who you’re screwing when you’re 26? Plus, a woman who’s at least trying to wait until marriage is probably viewing it through a more traditional lens, rather than the “why not, let’s try it” one that so many girls in my generation seem to have. (which also, in a way, goes against that committed LTR thing I know CH likes to advocate – marriage is more than a piece of paper. I’d be willing to spend my life with a guy, sans government interference, but not without both of us making kind of promises that are contained in marriage vows)

    IDK. Sorry for the long post. Just seems to me that it’s more than raw animal psychology going into that assumption. The girl who’s going to be a virgin when you marry her is the girl who’s made a decision to preserve that for herself. Right? Or am I just insane thinking that self-control and dedication, rather than having a flap of intact tissue when she’s married, is why a girl makes a good wife?

    • n/a says:

      cynthia,

      You’re not insane — you’re just not a man.

      A venerable, crabby CH poster by the name of xsplat used to harp on the notion — well-observed for all its repetition — that some men have as a fundamental requirement that their women be sexually pure. He claimed that this conviction was at DNA depth and could never be abrogated. I think he was right.

      These men have to see blood on the bed or they feel duped, esp. if the girl *seems* otherwise virtuous.

      They demand the vaginal proof. They may not notice that her anal sphincter isn’t as tight as it might be or that she sucks cock like she was born to it.

      That’s why it’s called the human comedy.

      • Anon says:

        Those men also rely on slut tells, and used to rely on a sane culture where the sphincter butthexing scenario was less likely to be true.

  31. a says:

    “And qualify her so your reason for meeting up is something that won’t trigger her ASD”

    Can you give an example please?

  32. Cad and Bounder says:

    Comments for readers…

    1. Why is he succumbing to jumping up to her hoop with her comment about his appearance? He is entering her frame and giving her control. She then re-affirms this with ‘were you born there?’ etc. The incredible thing is that he raised the issue in the texts! It also demonstrates a lack of confidence with one of the subjects (image) that they care about the most.

    3. This is an online girl. They get bombarded with beta orbiters. You have to troll and troll hard. Try an opener like ‘Wow! You again! I keep seeing you on here, I’m just amazed you haven’t set yourself up with a booty call yet!’. You will be astonished at how many respond to this approach. When you have DHV’ed and she’s hooked immediate flip it with something like this. Be aloof. Disappear for a bit. Then message her ‘Hi, I’ve been thinking. To be honest you are not really my type but I think we get along well. Let’s be friends. I’m not sure I want more than that, but I kinda get you so would definitely be up for that’. Her hamster will go onto overdrive!

    4. A couple of funny (if not necessarily successful) IHAB responses

    a. ‘Well I’m not going to tell him anything!’

    b. You: ‘That’s ok… FSCL?’
    Her: FSCL??
    You: Fancy Some Cock later?
    (use with discretion)

  33. YaReally says:

    On an asshole dark triad note:

    The advice in #4 is why I’m not real concerned about husbands/boyfriends of girls hunting me down to kick my ass if I bang their girls. I think in an earlier time, the girl was always looked at as the innocent one and it was encouraged and manly for the guy to go find the dude and punch him out.

    But these days guys have been burned by women enough and shared enough experiences online and mainstream media has harped on how women make their own decisions eat pray love style and guys have seen enough shitty behavior by girls on Facebook twitter etc etc to where most guys, in a rage like this dude will have at LEAST a couple buddies who will redirect his anger toward his girl for cheating instead of the other guy for just accepting easy pussy.

    I think this is a fairly new/recent thing, and it works out great for us sketchy player types. I saw a thread on the Misc that was the same way, like 20 dudes chiming in “yo forget the guy man she’s the one who was being a slut, what guy is gonna turn down pussy?”

    Even last night I was dancing with a chick and some angry orbiter came out of nowhere to break it up. Was he mad at me? Nope, he started bitching her out instead lol I was like “you two have fun” and moved on but there was absolutely zero worry about one of those 80s prom movie scenes where the Ducky orbiter punches out the douchey prom king to get the girl.

    Dynamics of the dating world have changed so much in the past few years lol

    • Mitch Cumstein says:

      I agree there’s less of that, but you still need to be on the lookout. There will always be a guy out there who thinks some asshole tripped and his dick fell into his princess’s lockbox. It’s too painful for him to imagine she would conspire.

      I once knew this guy, recently married, went to this party. He had a weakness for Mexican girls and he saw one he liked and made out with her. She had a boyfriend, but he wasn’t there yet. The guy took off for home before he could get there. But when he got home and was getting out of his car, he heard his name being called. He turned around and WHACK! I guess the boyfriend saw him leaving and could smell it on his own girl, followed him.

      So the pissed off boyfriend didn’t just hit him once, he went to down on this guy. He ended up being put on a gurney and taken to the hospital. Two black eyes. Well…it turns out this guy is a meteorologist for a local TV station. He was told not to drink by his employers, because he’d gotten a DUI. His work found out he was getting drunk when he macked on that girl. They told him, “We’re not going to fire you…but you are leaving. Make up whatever story you want.” So the station built up this whole going-away hoopla and he said on the air he was quitting news to spend more time with his family.

      No lesson to be learned from this. Just a funny story about a guy who kissed the wrong girl at a party.

      • Glenbert says:

        No, there is a lesson here… Men from traditional societies (e.g. Mexico) know that the only way to discourage adultery is to be willing to beat the shit out of other men.

        And it’s not about “winning back” the woman, it’s about deterring trashy people from doing trashy things.

  34. yaser says:

    Regarding Boston; political redpill:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/sibel-edmonds-cia-ran-tsarnaev-brothers.html

    Wikipedia to her profile:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds

    TL:DR

    Boston was needed to craft a script that would be used to bargain with the Russians for a Syria strike.

  35. ANON says:

    The Sixteen Commandments of Poon can be summarized by one law:

    Never be ruled by a woman.

  36. Guys fuck up texting so bad…

  37. Anonymous says:

    Why are people so mean to me when I tell them about red pill cultural/sexual/racial truths? I try to introduce it nicely.

    – anonymous girl

  38. greatest beta says:

    This chick has been banged by over 70 plus men
    http://www.yesandyes.org/2012/02/true-story-ive-had-70-sexual-partners.html

    Choice portion:

    The drawbacks? A fair number of broken hearts and bad poetry have come out of my dalliances. Experience taught me what common senses failed to: Just because you aim to care for or treat someone respectfully doesn’t obligate them to return the favor. That isn’t to say I wanted reciprocated emotions from everyone I’ve slept with, but there were times I confused intimacy and sex and learned the hard way. I don’t want to sound like I’m encouraging young girls to hop from bed to bed, but I truly haven’t experienced a multitude of drawbacks simply from promiscuity.

    LOLOLOLOL

    Talk about riding the cockas carousel…shes 28 wait til the real drawbacks begin

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