A “relationship advice” guy who writes for Yahoo/Match/Tyrell Corporation published letters from readers who described the crazy things they did for love. Now, there is an alpha way to do crazy-in-love, and there is a beta way. Read this first letter and see if you can identify the tells that mark the writer of this letter as a beta male.
I went to bat for her engagement ring
“My girlfriend and I had been together for about three years, and I was sure she was the one I wanted to marry. Problem was, I didn’t exactly have enough money to get her a good engagement ring. So, in order to raise funds, I put my collection of baseball trading cards on eBay. We’re talking a collection that spanned, like, 20 years, thanks to some cards handed down by my dad. I was totally bummed to part with them because they were so important to me, but I really, really loved this girl. I ended up making more than enough money to pay for a ring. Problem was, when I got down on one knee, she told me that she couldn’t see spending the rest of her life with me. I should’ve stuck with Shoeless Joe Jackson.”
— Owen, 26, Chagrin Falls, OH
Chagrin Falls is appropriate. Often, when reading these sad sack stories, one has the nagging feeling that a better grasp of the market value of the players would clarify why this or that venality visited the protagonist. Discerning the sexual market value of a woman online, when no photo is available, is tricky; women will aggressively lead the reader to believe, absent hard visual evidence, that they are desired by most men. The sexual market value of men is a bit easier to root out in written, online mediums because I find that men are a little more careless about revealing their beta cores. Reading between the lines for male and female beta tells is a fun pastime that I heartily recommend.
Back to the letter: you might be tempted to think that getting a girl an engagement ring is pure beta male, but because so many men fall into the diamond industrial complex trap, it’s not quite the tell that it should be. Instead, the big tells are the writer’s baseball card collection, his willingness to trade one of his most valuable possessions for a rock to slip on a girl’s finger (betraying his father’s love in the process), and, worst of all, his bended knee proposal.
Collections of the sort that are particularly unappealing to women are leading indicators of betaness, because a man who is good with women and able to get sex will not have the patience or motivation to amass piles of mostly useless junk that don’t add to his attractiveness to women. Baseball cards are the province of little boys and grown betas.
But it’s a forgivable tell. Alpha males have the systematizing instinct as well, and collections that can be categorized and subcategorized are addictive to all kinds of men. The bigger beta tell was this guy’s willingness to sever a holy bond, via baseball card, with his father to enrich his girlfriend. The man who sells off a bequeathed treasure from his dad to please his woman is an unprincipled cipher of beta provisioning. No woman with the least bit of character would, if known to her, allow her boyfriend to hock his pop’s heirloom for a blood diamond. Most American women don’t have the least bit of character.
Finally, the cringe-worthiest beta male tell was the bended knee beggary. If anything, since men give up more to get married, it’s women who should drop on bended knee thanking their boyfriends for making honest whores out of them. I don’t care how super alpha you are or how much self-handicapping you can endure without penalty, dropping to one knee is exquisitely, insufferably BETA. Ignore my advice to skip the nuptials for loving LTRs, but for the memory of millions of ancestors who harnessed the power of testicular fortitude to usher you into this world, don’t get down on your knees before a woman. You’re just asking to be treated like the dog who waits dutifully at the door with the leash in its mouth.
Three beta male tells, each worse than the last. The coda to this miserable letter should surprise no one, but I bet it surprised the letter writer. No woman wants to share her life with a man she has to look down at to see.
For shits and giggles, here’s another letter that represents the exact opposite of the one above.
I found out the hard way that our love wasn’t going to go the distance
“My boyfriend of a year and four months had to move for his job. It wasn’t dramatically far away, but it was still three states over. I was living in Ohio then, and he had to move to Maryland. We talked on the phone, wrote letters and all that, and I could tell that he was getting increasingly homesick. I decided to surprise him by ducking out of work early one Friday, driving over to see him — it’s about five or six hours by car — and cheering him up. Turns out I didn’t need to, though, because when I showed up at his apartment that night, I found him having dinner with a woman he met at work. At least I didn’t need to worry about staying awake on the long drive home — I was too upset to fall asleep.”
— Jackie, 27, Manhasset, NY
Spot the alpha male tell. Lessee… was it when he got himself a new woman who would be locally available for poundage sessions, so he wouldn’t have to spend months of his valuable life celibately pining for faraway pussy? Could be!
“Manhasset”, indeed.
Cue Great Books for Men in 5, 4, 3…
having a blog is beta since you’re not fucking when you write.
You’ve made my day.
You’re both morons.
I’ve never averaged more than four or five hours per day fucking, over a year. Have you?
It’s neither possible nor desirable to fuck every waking hour every day. Weekend sessions of eat sleep fuck are fine, but even during such sessions other leisurely pursuits such as writing have their time.
But I don’t know why I’m being logical with a troll.
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And AB Dada right behind. 5,4,3,…
When I get married again*, it will not include an expensive ring or me on one knee.
No, it will be me grabbing the gal from the kitchen just before she starts cooking me lunch, telling her to come with me for a ride, driving to the courthouse to fill out the paperwork and having a judge take care of it — with none of her friends or family present to celebrate.
That story just makes me cringe — I *was* that guy on one knee, but thankfully the $50,000 diamond ring was free (her grandmother gave it to me to use).
*I do plan on marrying again, but not until I’m old and tired and ready to truly let the body rest. I’ll marry someone far younger, with a job, who can provide some corporate insurance coverage for my aging body and mind.
You can generate healthy children with 70yo or even more. Don´t hurry.
Reading your comments always makes me laugh. You are unintentionally hilarious more than you can imagine.
See a true alpha would have hocked that 50k ring and disappeared.
…After a vigorous pipe-laying session with granny.
Yes, YES. Deprive her of the marriage industrial complex. Courtroom weddings are GREAT.
I have a female co-worker who is engaged to her longtime boyfriend. She’s also having a very obvious affair with a male co-worker. The affair is ho-hum, but what’s striking is that all she talks about, day in, day out, is stressing over wedding preparations. Her marriage is dead on arrival, already, and her hamster is still playing wedding planner.
Deprive the hamster of it’s big make-believe ceremony. Feed it only pellets.
Just what every woman dreams about: an old man, who she has to support and take care of.
That’s good to know!
I have a completely OT question about “Auto Game”.
I’m wondering what the acceptable protocol is for when when you’re hurtling down the 405 freeway at 80mph in your Porsche and you pass a hot blonde in a little Jetta.
Are there certain hand signals you could use to get her attention, or perhaps a collection of laminated signs (including your name and ‘phone #) to wave at her?
Just wondering.
Give her the Stuka Pilot salute and speed off.
Is “auto game” a thing? I’ve never heard a story about someone pulling a girl in car traffic.
I suspect chicks dig a guy on a motorcycle more than a guy in a Porsche, with the obvious qualifier that the guy on the motorcycle also seems cool when he’s off his bike.
There’s also the problem that when you approach a girl the odds are you aren’t going to be near your vehicle. Perhaps pulling up to a coffee shop with windows facing the parking is the best way to possibly be seen with your cool vehicle right before approaching a girl. Also, in the workplace of course, every chick is going to be well aware of what every guy drives.
But a cheap leather band around your wrist will probably give you way more bangs for the buck than a cool car.
I read that the Miami cannibal pulled his girlfriend in traffic, true story.
http://news.lalate.com/2012/05/31/man-eating-face-in-miami-cannibals-girlfriend-blames-vodou-curse/
Second last paragraph. Apparently you just yell at them, bonus points if you’re a face-eating cannibal.
I met a 55 year old dude in Thailand who would pull girls over on the street while they were both riding the local small motorcycles.
He was an extrovert who made it his business to pull. A day gamer before there was a word for it. A real machine, and he had a great conversion rate.
Have her attention and when she is looking, give the “call me” handsign (thumb and pinkie extended). Then you can use your fingers to signal the local area code, like asking for her number. Get her to flash back her digits with, uh, with her digits hehe, or even get her to pull over. Anyway, there’s something to start with and she should get the message.
Getting down on one knee and proposing is beta now? C’mon, man. It’s an accepted cultural tradition. Not doing it for the reasons you state reeks of insecurity and pettiness. You may be beta, or you may be alpha otherwise, but whether you propose to your girlfriend in a true, tried, and tested manner has very little bearing on that calculus.
[heartiste: traditions work in the milieus in which they were created. since that milieu is no longer operative, the tradition is self-defeating.]
Getting down on one knee and proposing is beta now? C’mon, man. It’s an accepted cultural tradition
No it’s not. It’s some Hollywood communist nonsense used to promote feminism and man’s subservience to females and somehow got confused in the public mind that this is how men behaved in the past.Most people are ignorant and believe that some misconception or even something based on fiction that was really only around for a couple of generations is some age old tradition. Outside of some film from the 1930′s which took place in the Victorian era or some cheap female romance novel men never did this. Hollywood of course just produced cheap entertainment that was almost always historically incorrect and produced by men who were formerly used clothes merchants from the lower east side. I can’t recall anything in literature where a man got down on his knee and proposed. In fact, marriage ceremonies are barely mentioned and at most may just say that the guy drove to church in a carriage, met his fiancee and got married.
Aside from the fact that this was not a long standing tradition, there is the fact that body language is not ceremonial, it is a real language. It conveys meaning.
When you get down on your knee to propose, you aren’t merely performing a ceremony – you express with your body a very potent message.
Never express that message.
Those reasons reflect insecurity as well.
[heartiste: sometimes a beta move is just a beta move. is refusing to let a fat woman shit on your chest a sign of insecurity?]
You are following an outmoded tradition because you lack the conviction to propose in an appropriate manner that reflects comprehension of the nature of the proposal.
[the nature of the proposal is back-asswards. women gain the most from nutpial upsuck, so it is women who, reasonably, should be dropping to their knees in gratitude for being taken off the market.]
2-part essay on proposing:
“What Would You Do If Your Fiancee Rejected The Ring As Not Good Enough?”
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/what_would_you_do_if_your_fian.html
[leave her in the dust, as i would now have solid evidence she would be a giant fucking cunt over the long term.]
using the ring to seal the deal is beta. The sale should be preordained. The proposal a formality. As for bended knee…the host may have a point, or he may be bitter…but if it’s just a cultural relic, so is the wedding ceremony, the cake, the priest, all that stuff. I think the new style should be step 1. you propose, preferable in a booth at nice restaurant, no kneeling. She gets the ring as a surprise with something nicely said. Step 2. she presents you with a prenuptial agreement while on one knee, about a month or two before the wedding, preferably before 50% of the deposits are made on the expensive stuff.
From the girl, on bended knee, with prenup
“With this prenup, I hereby eschew your wealth and accept that without you, I need to support myself. Please accept this document as a symbol of my marrying you in good faith.”
How about that?
Exactly. I will never understand how men get turned down. How confused/awful your must be if you don’t know if your girlfriend of 3 years will marry you?
A wedding ceremony still serves its original purpose, to an extent, which is to announce the marriage to family and community. Most of the other trappings are optional parts of the celebration which is as much for the benefit of the guests as the couple. Following a traditional template for throwing a big party isn’t really the same as unthinkingly following a traditional template for making major life decisions.
Discerning the sexual market value of a woman online, when no photo is available, is tricky
it’s even trickier when there IS a photo available….
S, I disagree. Been married several years and have a child, btw. Kneeling never crossed my mind.
Even worse than the traditions around the proposal are the now-apparently-mandatory “Bridezilla” weddings, in which thousands of dollars are blown on a usually grotesquely overblown ceremony and party to make the bride feel like a princess on her “special day”. I recall a post on this blog back in the day- contrasting skittles man vs. $10K-for-flowers-at-wedding man. This post echoes the same themes. I got married in a small courthouse ceremony and had a small diner the folliwng day for family and clsoe friends. Oh, and no proposal- just talked it out and agreed in advance with the wife. I get shit abot it from her to this day, but no regrets.
remember, the post about the photographer, the super-alpha 50 year old guy who married one of his 18 year old models (well, she was 21 when they got married), he was like, well, let’s make this official. That’s it.
Fuck yeah, cant believe you remember that- richard kern. But i guess he is pretty memorable for his uh day job.
Can’t see people of infamy like kern or hunter moore settling down.
http://gritartisan.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/alpha-analysis-of-hunter-moore-and-isanyoneup/
How is it possible to not remember that guy? He’s got the best job ever and doesn’t squander it. I think about him occasionally when I have to deal with ugly old fat people on a daily basis. Got nothing good to look at. Why I go so hard on the weekends. We all shoulda thought about the quality of women we would be around on our day jobs and planned accordingly. Fuckin guy is an inspiration.
Getting down on one knee made sense when there was a massive power and status differential between men and women. A man with high enough status could afford a hit that huge to his status and still lord over his lady. With feminism that differential no longer exists and women instinctually know this, so getting down on one knee is only affordable for alphas like Jesus or the vampire from Twilight. Not very sexy for a normal human male to do, even if women fantasize about it.
If I remember correctly wasn’t it Jesus who was usually get is feet washed by his female groupies? And he seems to have been living in nice places and eating and drinking well at the expense of his patrons, sort of like the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of his time. He must ave also dressed well because when he died they wanted his robe. He was also put into a nice tomb and not just wrapped up and buried in the desert like most Jews. Yeah, he was Alpha.
If I remember correctly wasn’t it Jesus who was usually get is feet washed by his female groupies?
His feet cleaned by his female groupie, with her hair.
And when somebody points out that the cost of the pricey oils she’s using to wash his feet might be better used to feed the poor, He says “you’ll always have the poor, you won’t always have Me.” lol
Jesus accepted worship because, as God, He is entitled to it.
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Heh, you people think Jesus was real?
This is an understanding of the concept of romance. A prince must romance a slave girl because gap in status actually works against him. Women are on to the pump and dump game with such large gaps in status. So they will just assume its going to be a short term fling. As such they may be hesitant to continue. Romancing them is an act to convince them its something more lasting. Its meant to humble a man. Low status men are already clinging and dangling above the sewer. Every act of romance will bring in a merry lot to stomp on their fingers.
If I am getting down on one knee its only so’s I can more easily lap at her sopping pussy
p.s. a favorite joke of mine, relevant to the theme:
A little boy is at a wedding, asking his mother lots of questions about what he sees. He sees the bride walk down the aisle and asks- “Why is the bride all dressed in white?” Mommy think about this for a bit and says, “Because it’s the happiest day of her life.” The little boy thinks about this for a bit, then asks: “Then why is the groom all dressed in black”?
ba-dump-bump.
“Because It’s his saddest day of his life”
PSSt Don’t tell your mom what I just said. ;P
My wife proposed to me. Selling my guns for a woman just wouldn’t happen.
Guns=beta=small penis compensation
Big trucks and SUVS too
Bingo, Whammer. You are right on target.
Dudes without guns: dead omegas
Dudes without trucks: betas unable to do manly shit like help a buddy move or take a chick off-road camping.
That’s silly kid’s stuff who are trying to overcome their inadequacies and engage in this “manly” stuff with the guns and big trucks.And only a dummy wants to go camp out in the woods and live uncomfortably. Men have always tried to make life more comfortable whether it was the cave men who put bear skin rugs in their cave to today’s modern conveniences.
I’m not against men owning guns but at a certain point it becomes a fetish and obsession. And who needs a big uncomfortable truck when you could be driving a Mercedes.Unless you’re a farmer or in some business where you have to load and unload cargo everyday a truck is stupid but you’d be surprised at how many men in the US have big pickup trucks for no real purpose other than to make themselves appear “manly”=compensation for a small dick or low omega status.
And I doubt very much that you’ve even had some chick go camping with you in the woods unless she was one of these masculine types in the lumberjack shirt and 200 lbs.
“And I doubt very much that you’ve even had some chick go camping with you in the woods unless she was one of these masculine types in the lumberjack shirt and 200 lbs.”
I’ve been camping with an Elite model. No joke. She was the national face of Mervyn’s for a while, and she loved camping and hiking. We only lasted a few weeks, though, because the girl had more problems than a math class.
She was a 9. But, yes, 7s and above usually HATE camping.
I used to go camping with my girl friend when I was 19. Camp fires and not paying for a room. She was at least a solid 8.5. When hot chicks go camping whose frame is that?
How big is your dick?.
Big enough to fill your mouth!
Won’t work if it can’t get hard. Why don’t you wash your ass and grab those ankles of yours so you can see how a real man fucks, bitch boy.
Do you choose to be hard men, who rule over others, or soft men, who are ruled by others?
Cyrus the Great
So Whammer, if your dick is so big, how come we have to take your word for it?
I insist on seeing a photo of your dick.
fag
We’re waiting….
We’re still waiting alpha man….
Now you have gone too far. I love my comforts but you need to purge that crap from time to time otherwise you begin to blend into the cushions. I also find “manly” tools to be of great use, as tools. As a vulgar display item, yes, its compensation.
That’s what I meant but I guess that when I’m dealing with silly virginal boys I have to spell everything out.
I’m not into guns. I don’t have anything against trucks, but driving one does not make a man alpha. I don’t agree with you about camping, though. I’ve always liked outdoorsy type guys, even if their idea of a good time didn’t always mesh with mine.
Also, if she really likes you, she will definitely go camping with you, no matter how much she isn’t into it.
That’s right. Bixby, nothing says macho-man quite like helping a buddy move an antique armoire.
Bixby’s a dummy who’s too poor to get a professional to move furniture. Sure Bixby damage some furniture just to save a few hundred or perhaps injure yourself or fall down the stairs lol Real men of substance can’t afford to injure themselves and lie in bed because they have important things to do.
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Who gives a f**k? I don’t like guns or trucks, but we’re talking about Alpha qualities here, not penis or engine size.
If guns were meant to compensate for a small penis, no man would ever have bought a revolver with a 2-inch barrel.
Thank you! Ask cops or people in the know about good carry pistols and they will probably mention the Smith & Wesson model 642.
5 load cylinder and spur-less. Yep, had one. Most practical urban arm.
Hey dummy, do you think I want to carry a pistol under my suit? It’s not only uncomfortable but can be dangerous. We pay our servants the cops to do the dirty work.
I carry a revolver because a cop won’t fit in my pocket.
What’s more alpha than having the means to dominate a 300 meter radius with precision rifle fire?
I just use my penis for close range (within one meter with shrinkage).
Everyone:
This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun.
I have a big dick. And I love guns.
And if I had the money, I would buy a shitload of big SUVs and sports cars too.
I’m also at least a lesser alpha as far as I can tell, with men (no homo) and women alike.
Your prejudice is typical swpl tree-hugger crap.
You sound like a poor omega to me. And what’s wrong with “tree hugging” you moron? Do you think I want some asshole cutting down a 3k year old redwood just because he wants some wood?
may as well get down on both knees, because you’ll be sucking her cock for a while.
coulda been worse for the guy. he could have tried proposing to her on camera in front of millions of viewers…
It definitely could’ve been worse for this guy…she might have said “yes”
lol’ed out loud
If I had been that kid’s dad, I’d have beat his ass for selling my baseball cards. You pass that stuff down for a reason, so it stays in the family and will be respected and cherished as you cherished those things. Not to buy a ring for some spoiled woman-child. If his kid was in the hospital or something its a different story, but for a woman? No way!
Ditto on that. Wow I bet that kid, like the majority of modern males has never been in a violent altercation his entire life. I bet the dad is a bitch too tho.
How else can you explain having a kid that turns out to be such a fairy?
“but dad I reeeeeaaaallly loved her!”
You’d beat a 24 (???) year old’s ass for selling your baseball cards?
eta, I suspect the 24 year old son would be able to beat your ass?
Are you stupid?
I suppose getting down on one knee just that once couldn’t hurt.
Just as long as you make sure she gets down on both knees for the duration of the marriage.
This is why the Château recommends failing the Voigt-Kampff test.
I score under 10 on the standard Empathy Test.
But I am a nice bloke in most ways.
Just low empathy.
No, there is something in the first letter which is even worse, I say, which is that although he had dated her for three years, she didn’t want to marry him. Now, what is going through her mind; how could he so seriously misread a three year relationship? My experience is that long before those three years are up she will either be pressuring him or she will have dropped him. Weird relationship.
As for the second letter, why do girls do these crazy things? – as they do. Sounds to me as if he was keen to escape her clutches, but could not quite bring himself to drop her – not easy I know, without appearing a bastard. Girl over-reacted of course.
Well observed.
You shouldn’t mary every girl who starts dropping hints that she’d like to marry you, but you certainly shouldn’t propose marriage to a girl who hasn’t already started. Very few marriage proposals end in a rejection, so if yours does then you’ve made a serious mistake.
“how could he so seriously misread a three year relationship?”
This. This Type I Betaness (congential lack of empathy) versus type II (adult hypersensitive onset).
A man’s shit test for engagement – he asks for a pre-nup. If she says no, he walks. If she says OK, proceed to back up shit test.
A man’s back up shit test for engagement – he buys a ring with a zircon instead of a real diamond. If she appraises it before the wedding and confronts him with the ruse, he walks.
Of course, marriage shouldn’t even be in the equation but some guys haven’t discovered that yet.
You are a shrewd man. I wouldn’t mind seeing an expanded post on this.
Prenups are beta, because in her head, she sees it as you’re expecting her to dump you.
Zircons are a wonderful idea, though. I’ve heard that synthetic diamonds are getting pretty cheap too.
you might also want to divorce her?
Understanding the nature of women is not beta. OVER-confidence is not alpha.
[heartiste: you’re wrong on that second assertion. overconfidence is alpha, if by alpha we mean an improved ability to attract and keep women.]
Strategic understanding of the principles of reality, and acting in accordance with that understanding is a requirement of maintaining alpha status.
Disconnects with reality are not always benign – not even when they are of the narci ssistic flavor.
You can be overconfident that your wife won’t leave you.
Alpha or beta, it’s not strategic, and can lead to a man not being able to sustain his former alpha position.
Being overconfident is not only a matter of being high confidence, although there can sometimes be overlap. It can also be such a disconnect as to slide well into psy chosis. Or a mild disconnect makes the man a chump.
Reality is the best basis for all strategic action.
You’re going to get dumped in the first place anyways, seeing that the divorce rate in the US is already over 50%
such a shame.
The zircon ring idea is brilliant by the way,
You could just marry a woman with a lot more money than you, and then it would be on her to get the prenup.
Prenups are beta. But if you have the money, it’s still worth it.
Beta isn’t always wrong. It just won’t get you laid.
I’d just keep it in an account she has no knowledge of.
Re the Knee Problem, a technical solution:
Visit a church or house of worship (historical, architectural significance, travel, etc., may vary), and propose whilst _both_ kneeling.
That might work for a lower omega.
Woah, is that ever beta!
Don’t you realize what beta is? It’s when you are subservient.
The action of the both of you being subservient to anyone or anything is the very definition of Alpha. The both of you ruled by any other principle other than you yourself is the very principle of being beta. Ruled by other.
I find that SMALL collections work in my favor as conversation pieces and DHVs. Fossils in particular, antique-styled maps, and old books.
Do you call that Indiana Jones Game? How gay.
LOL.
Try it yourself some time. Fill your bachelor pad up with items that are fun, interesting and tasteful that you wouldn’t see in a typical home. Put them on display, and make sure you have a story about every one of them.
For example the handcuffs hanging by my patio door? When I was 13, I lived in Hong Kong. This is still back when it was still run by the Brits. A few of my buddies and I thought it would be fun to sneak across the border into China proper one night, and get smashed/high. Tough to do that in Hong Kong without a fake ID, but it’s easy in china proper.
As it turns out, not one of us thought to bring our passports. In fact, between the six of us, we had ZERO identifactiona at all. Hey, we were 13 and stupid. Anyways, getting into china is no big deal. It’s getting OUT that’s tricky, although I didn’t know that at the time. They caught us at the border as we were leaving.
I was the only white guy in the group, so the chinese immediate assumed I was some sort of political activist trying to sneak dissidents out of the country. My friends weren’t helping either. They started taunting the officer, calling his mom a whore, etc etc. They also started bragging that I was a pro at this sort of thing, and would have them all in LA within the next 12 hours.
Long story short, I spent the better part of 6 hours in a chinese jail trying to talk my way out of it being a permanent stay. To make matters worse, my translator was a drunk 14 year old who thought the entire thing was hillarious. Turns out it’s pretty tough to bullshit a pissed off racist, and the guy was gonna just leave me to rot. Eventually, one of my other friends *mostly* sobered up, and I told him to offer the cop $200 if he’d just let us go home.
As for the cuffs, the interrogator left them sitting on the table while he was grilling me. I discreetly pocketed ‘em so I’d have a momento of the first time I ever got arrested.
I have an entire HOUSE full of objects with stories like that attached to them. Seriously, I get a girl in the door, and my house does the rest of the work for me. It’s a FANTASTIC way for a single guy to live.
Ya, you don’t want to highlight any hoarder traits. Being a hoarder is a branch of having OCD.
Being a collector can be a display of wealth and taste.
“I find that SMALL collections work in my favor.”
What’re u collecting? your own cockas? zozzlllzlzozlz omg lzozolzoozloz
If you’re gonna get married and want to propose as an alpha, here’s the way to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQSZbQWuSKs
1) The guy gets 60+ people to help him out: DHV.
2) He tells his bride to be where to be, and who to be with, with no explanation, and expects it’ll be done.
3) At the end, the guy is walking down the middle, everyone looking at him, in a suit, looking cool as a cucumber.
4) He doesn’t even show her the ring until she answers the question
5) He raises his arm in victory after she says yes.
6) He does such a good job that it goes viral nationwide, thus DHV again!
She has only one question to answer, and there’s only one possible answer after a production like that.
You’re shitting me right
no. you are dumb.
No. Even asking is beta. She should ask, and after many months or years, the man should grudgingly relent. If at all.
The guy made a theatrical production out of a marriage proposal. That’s one step away from Bridezilla who wants a wedding more than a marriage. He might as well be a woman or a homosexual, because he’s acting like one.
In grad school there was a feminist (genuinely hot) who married a Marine. When they were on the couch watching television he caught a glimpse of her finger. Hmmmmmmm. He slipped a ring on it. “Looks better now.” She would re-tell that story with Christmas in her eyes. Never met the guy, but she also said he got her addicted to tabloid celebrity magazines that he subscribed to, so….
“Assume the sale.” Guess this goes for marriage proposals too.
Give her the ring after you she says yes and the paperwork is done if you are crazy enough to marry.
It would be interesting to explore the first relationship.
The 2nd relationship. The guy didn’t sound very alpha. He wanted to dump that girl but he was too chicken just to do it.
My advice. If you want to develop the right attitude towards women, and are a beta, try this. If you have a pretty good girlfriend, no real faults, and maybe you like her quite a bit. A keeper, of sorts. Just dump her one day. Out of the blue. No explanations. Just get your stuff and go. No further contact. You will feel like such a son of a bitch, you will fundamentally alter your self image. You are heartless, after all. Then, child, you will be ready to take on the world, women included. The guilt goes away and life is better in every way. Not kidding.
The woman can be replaced.
I do know a 23 yo who has a bf. She remarked to me: “When I am through with this boyfriend, I am going to date money.”
She’s a nice kid, too.
If she’s really a nice kid, she won’t last long dating money. It’s too soul-killing (for those with souls). And the boyfriend better not take her back later on.
I know a man who married a rich woman. He says it’s the hardest money he’s EVER earned. HIs “workday” never ends.
This is a fucking fact.
A lot of rich families can be serious ball busters. Its not worth your pride or your freedom.
Bullshit. It never happens. Any female of REAL wealth is not going to marry some loser. Having a good job is not real wealth. Even crazy Paris Hilton wouldn’t marry a prole. Even that guy in the porn film with her is from a wealthy family.
“Just get your stuff and go.”
I hope you don’t mean “get your stuff from her apartment.”
Moving into a woman’s residence is weak. Leaving your clothes and keeping a toothbrush at a woman’s place reeks of beta. If you ever go to her place to fuck, the only things you should leave behind is a semen stain and a smiling woman.
At last. Scientific proof that people from Ohio are fifty percent nice and fifty percent naught
In online news, Match has a new thing called “Stir” which is basically events for subscribers to meet each other in groups. Of course, its not in my outpost, but it sounds cool.
Here’s my question: there’s a lot of women who ride the cock carousel, hit 29 and suddenly look for a provider beta husband (one they might not stay married to long — but most womenz seem to like to get married at least once just to do it.) In those frequent cases, isn’t the chick sort of looking for beta qualities in the dude she’s about to marry? After all, many dudes still do kneel and many chicks say yes to the kneeling dude.
Point is, while I agree with the advice that a guy shouldn’t kneel or propose with ring or get married at all for that matter — don’t betaness and the marriage market kind of go together? We aren’t talking about the sex market, after all.
Beta males probably make up at least 80% of the population, so she only needs to look as far as her current orbiters or the guys she has previously LJBF’d if she’s really lazy. The caveat is that most, if not ALL, women would much much much prefer to marry an alpha male. There just aren’t enough to go around. Hence, carouseling. . .5 minutes of alpha is worth more than 5 years of marriage to a beta male. All this is in the CH archives.
A lot of women look for a submissive slave. I bet none of them get wet for him though.
It’s difficult, pleasing the whole of a woman, it can be such a mess of contradictions.
After seeing this website in an ABC News story:
https://waronwomen.com/RockTheSlutVote/
please, please, PLEASE, can we have a thread on “you might be a slut if …”?
I haven’t seen this fat a pitch for over-the-top ridicule in years. Dear, sweet, merciful Jesus, dead on the cross for my sins, they are BEGGING for it!
You might be a slut if … you believe that any of the questions on this website are the reason people think you’re a slut.
You might be a slut if … you’ve traded sex for signatures on any petition.
You might be a slut if … the county health service calls you to get checked out, whether anybody named you as a partner or not.
You might be a slut if … local prostitutes won’t do business with anybody who’s been seen with you.
I’m really no good at this, eh?
You might be a slut if … images of your tramp tag are posted in frat houses.
You might be a slut if … you need 2 babysitters to go out on a date.
You might be a slut if … no vows are exchanged at any wedding you attend.
Come on! Help me out!
You might be a slut if … the people at the humane society giggle when you adopt a puppy.
You might be a slut if … the local football teams kept your social schedule.
You might be a slut if … your sister has a t-shirt that says “NO!”
I think the guy’s biggest beta tell was his proposal getting rejected. Women will always drop unsubtle hints, and in some cases pressure you, when they want you to propose. If she’s not dropping hints, you’re game with her is not tight. The bended knee thing is ridiculous. If something like that makes anyone think you’re beta, then you lost the game long before then.
Yeah, beyond being beta, it’s just being stupid. If she’s not giving hints, and you insist on getting married anyway, it might be a good idea to bring up the topic of marriage with her beforehand. Ya know, before you sell all your baseball cards for a feckless rock.
I recall Susan Walsh writing about these, I commented…a Sea of Estrogen welled-up around me, swirling into a vortex of juice within Scylla & Charybdis both greeted my trance with open claw – then, I snapped out of it.
Regarding the Twitter post: One fatkini revolution is equivalent to three earth years. bit.ly/Kc1xvG.
I suggest we start having “fat swimming pools/beach areas” and “skinny swimming pools/beach areas”. Skinny areas are accessible if your BMI is 23 or less. Preferably have the skinny areas policed by guards with assault rifles. Fattys can be shot on sight, like vultures.
Only if we only segregate the women, men get their choice
i just wanna say
fat girls are bad, mmkay?
fatkinis are even badder – don’t do it
Too late my friend, the eastern seaboard is awash in the fatkini action. Our counter-attack of fit body hotties has failed and we are being pushed back. We suggest a tactical nuclear strike on the southern Jersey shore.
Every female that I know is like a 20 or less on that BMI table. You can’t use that BMIfor both a male and female because even if they’re both the same height the man is always heavier due to a higher % of musle and heavier bones. A 5’10″ man may weigh 170 lbs and look good but the same height female at that weight is overweight.
Preferably have the skinny areas policed by guards with assault rifles
assault rifles won’t take down big game, it’ll just piss em off.
need to break out the big bore shit.
Elephant poachers in Africa use AK-47s usually- 7.62×39.
The alpha way to propose is making an unnoticed hole in the condom.
That´s how I´ll do it, when the time arrives
Using condoms is beta…
sure….
It’s coming from someone with cuckold fetish.
Are you finished recovering yet?
In daily life I act alpha but sexually I’m fucked up, there is something inside me that makes me want to be sexually dominated. I’ve gotten on my knees before a woman and reached up her body and to her breasts and asked her to let me be her slave…to dominate me. And she smiled but actually she refused.
Women don’t like this, they want to be taken. They’re attracted to me because of what they see and because in day to day life you’d never suspect this about me, but I can’t help it. I need to be sexually dominated, but they just won’t do it. However, I can’t tolerate being dominated in day to day life. This confuses them because women are cunts.
I’ve never felt I needed a woman and never sacrificed time and resources for one, but sexually it’s a different matter. I want to kiss their feet and worship them. But they’re the ones who want to submit.
There is nothing for me I might as well be gay.
Looks like pay for play is your future, bootboy. No woman is going to respect you outside of the bedroom after she’s dominated you inside it.
Complex situation. I suggest you to take a Viagra and do your male job as if you were rapping her. Then, after she´s satiated, impressed and you got many points with her, expend all this points at once telling her that now she is charge and you´ll be her bitch. It´s a kind of trade.
Haha yes this may be the only way carioca. But would it be a one-time thing, who knows. Maybe there is a woman who is not completely an animal and can separate things.
Women will indeed trade almost anything for a good orgasm.
You may be overidentifying with females. Autogynephilia?
Try taking pride in being a man, not a woman. Ask yourself, why would I want to play the inferior role? To mimic the second sex?
I don’t believe that – usually feminist – trope that we become different people in the bedroom.
I don’t think you can change what you like sexually by thinking things out or changing your opinions, what you take pride in, or other stuff like this. It comes from a much deeper place. Now you can believe me or not, but I’m not at all submissive in day to day life, either in behavior or in my manner, to the point where women, who actually think like you, just refuse to believe I prefer to be sexually submissive. But I do, and I imagine there are many men with other strange fetishes, and you’d never guess it in their day to day life.
I take pride in being a man and I agree with this blog about the nature of women. It doesn’t change one bit what turns me on, and I don’t know why I like to be sexually submissive or have a woman dominate me. I get a thrill out of it. But, by the way, many men who are submissive to women in day to day life, many beta males, actually fantasize about being sexually dominant. They don’t have a fetish to be sexually dominated at all.
I think there is a deep connection between sexual desire and your character, but it’s not so simple as you make it out.
Anyway I thought it would be funny to tell my story because it’s also about kneeling in front of a woman, but in a different way. It still doesn’t work though!
This sounds like a call to the classic Dr. Drew/Adam Carolla radio show Loveline. Often they wouldn’t even have to hear the Tale of Woe before targeting the source of the caller’s sexual/chemical dysfunction, as it was all over the sound of his or her voice. The typical therapy session would begin with two words. “Where’s dad?”
Bottom line: your wires were crossed somewhere in childhood. This “Born This Way” answer to every deviant impulse (“I don’t think you can change what you like sexually… It comes from a much deeper place”) is abuse on top of abuse.
Both men and women find submissiveness repulsive in men. Some dudes cut off their genitals and feed them to their dinner guests too, but that doesn’t mean we need to ecstatically chant a Lady Gaga anthem about it down at The Manhole. In other words, brother, fight the urge. It is ultimately not good for you to keep stuffing a square peg in a round hole.
You need to develop new muscle memories rather than indulging the pernicious ones programmed into you as a kid. Your attempt to be a woman is no different from the feminists’ attempt to turn all women into men. Only you are continuing the experiment on yourself, now that you’ve been informed what is (generally) ailing you.
Matt
No, it’s often true, and particularly true of feminists. They’re masculine types, but I’ve rarely found any who want to do the tying. (Which suits me just fine…
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I think our friend should probably just try going kinky and becoming a switch. Given the paucity of female dominants, and that he’s said he’s pretty manly IRL, he might be able to find a female sub with some switchy tendencies. Then he can trade off.
Just remember this, a man who wants to play at being dominated by the female is still giving her the orders to do it.
Yes haha
You sound as if you speak from experience.
So messed up, I want ya here
In my room, I want ya here
Now we’re gonna be face to face
and I lay right down in my favorite place
Now I wanna be your dog, now I wanna be your dog….
I can be a bit of a switch myself, but not to the extreme ends of submission that you prefer.
You aren’t alone, as you know. Such wiring occurs in a minority of men.
What you might be able to do is discover and grow another aspect of your sexuality. Any personality aspect can be highlighted and grown, due to the nature of neural plasticity.
While I’m not as extreme as you, I’ve found that most women like to at times take a dominant role, even if it’s just a matter of being on top. This is satisfying for them as long as it’s switched up with the man being dominant and at times extremely dominant.
You might be able to discover those dominant circuits in yourself. Likely you have them in you – especially when you consider even women have a small version of enjoying sexual dominance inside them.
You’re not beta. You have a fetish. And it’s really not that rare or weird, either.
I know this may not be the most popular statement around here, but my guess is you’ll find much better advice in the Savage Love column than you will here.
Here’s a little ditty about a time I turned the tables when I used to be a beta orbiter: I wanted to get this girl’s pants and would go over there and help out in the yard, when she asked me, in exchange for some half-ass meal she would have cooked for herself anyway.
It was a sad scenario but after leaving the town for a few years, I moved back and she started in again, asking me to help her move. By that time she was looming over the wall, and I was learning what the deal was, so she got this ice-cold text: “I used to come over and do chores because I found you attractive, but that economy no longer exists. Don’t contact me again.”
What did she do? Sent a pathetic email a few weeks later bringing up old inside jokes and practically begging for attention. I couldn’t understand why she responded like that until reading this site.
So if anyone out there’s being used, flip the script on ‘em. Wait for her to ask you for something, then tell her she’s no longer attractive to you and can go fuck herself. Best of all, the more relationship is skewed in her favor, the more it’s going to flip that hamster like an omelet.
That is great. Thanks for sharing that story. That is what girls don’t understand and never will. Once they lose their looks they can GTFO. My how the tables can turn so quickly
Glad you liked it. And she definitely deserved it – she wasn’t cool about it, it wasn’t a fair deal -she knew she was trying to squeeze work out of me – yet was always acting annoyed. That hit her like a ton of bricks though…man it felt good to write. I saw on facebook she’s got a beta husband now. Not even one of the 50+ pics of her have her husband in them. Poor guy.
Isn’t the behavior of women deplorable and predictable?
I think it just reflects their dual need from men: Sex and resources. They so much want a man who can give them both. Unfortunately for them, they reject 80% of the men as not being sexy, and the 20% of men who are sexy have no need to give a woman resources for sex these days. Woman’s lib and all, don’t you know.
The self-loathing of a woman who “settles” is clearly directed at her unsuspecting husband.
A good example of being careful of what you ask for.
But, over and over, the proper behavior for a man is to not really give a sh*t what they want. Hell, they find that attractive.
I think it just reflects their dual need from men: Sex and resources. They so much want a man who can give them both. Unfortunately for them, they reject 80% of the men as not being sexy, and the 20% of men who are sexy have no need to give a woman resources for sex these days
yes. but because it’s difficult to find both in the same man, women will resort to the next best thing – obtaining both from different men. alpha fucks and beta bucks.
Never get on your knees in front of a woman. Do not propose on bended knee. A man who doesn’t know the answer will be yes is a fool. I proposed for form’s sake, but we both knew what would transpire. And I put her on my lap when I asked her.
What I did was ask my high school girlfriend to give me back my class ring. While she and her mother watched me in horror, I unwound the yarn she had put on it to make it fit on her finger. I paused. Then I gave her the engagement ring. A very small diamond that I could afford in those days. No kneeling, no begging.
Push pull and an emotional roller coaster of drama. Good thrill ride and good job.
“If anything, since men give up more to get married, it’s women who should drop on bended knee thanking their boyfriends for making honest whores out of them.”
Fucking Classic! Well said.
Be interesting to hear from the Beta males out there. Why do you get down on your knees before females? What do you think you are trying to do?
You have the Internet with websites like this one to tell you that down-on-your-knees is a strategy which will lead you to doom. So why do you do it?
No woman with the least bit of character would, if known to her, allow her boyfriend to hock his pop’s heirloom for a blood diamond. Most American women don’t have the least bit of character. … Finally, the cringe-worthiest beta male tell was the bended knee beggary. If anything, since men give up more to get married, it’s women who should drop on bended knee thanking their boyfriends for making honest whores out of them.
As usual, your writing is hitting on all eight cylinders! 8? Heck, let’s say 12!
I like the old style of getting married:
Isnt telling a girl to stop contacting beta, and a little bitter? Wouldnt an alpha simply block her or not respond as if her contacts didnt even enter his conciousness
“dropping to one knee is exquisitely, insufferably BETA.”
I will kneel before my partner and she will kneel before me. Not just in the moment I ask for her hand in marriage but in our relationship. I think it’s super beta to worry so much about giving up any sort of “alpha” you possess. If you decide you want to spend the rest of your life with a woman but you can’t get down on one knee and profess your love for her what the hell are you marrying her for in the first place? I think that’s a huge reach man.
How do all these guys find this blog but never manage to learn anything there?
You have no idea how much of a compliment that seems to be.
When I encounter new experience-based ideas, I keep my mind open. Experience is smoke, and there is no smoke without fire.
The method has led me to believe in aliens, ghosts, and God, but also in the hamster and alpha male. In the end, you choose either experience or “reason” (which is whatever you happen to believe at the moment). I’ve chosen experience. What have you chosen? And do you act in accordance to your choice?
Nom, my question, too. Jesus, no man should ever kneel before anything/anyone.
Except in church and then only if you’re Catholic. (Protestants don’t kneel.)
All these posters keep thinking their kneeling before a woman is the only acceptable exception to the rule.
So you are going to kneel down and then pull her down with you?
If you ever want to have kids, ignore the advice to wait til 70 (even if your swimmers can still do the breast stroke). You don’t want to be 88 (in other words dead), while attending your son’s graduation. Dead fathers don’t make for really good role models…
This should be an important point from an evo-psych perspective (which seems to drive this blog). Just as important as you getting laid is whether your kids pass on your genes. Have 100 kids who don’t breed, and you (your genetic destiny, anyway) don’t exist anymore, just as if you had no kids.
Some longevity is needed to teach son’s game (assuming game is teachable), and so breeding earlier would seem to be as adaptive, evolutionarily, as spreading much seed?
What advice to give daughters?
BP
Be an old badass and die a legend in your own time and remain a powerful psychic influence on your children.
The old K versus R strategy debate, huh?
If you have excellent genes and can expect your progeny to excel based on nothing other than what you bequeath to their bodies and brains, pumping out tons of babies from multiple mothers will be the best way to ensure the continuance of your genes.
I plan to wait until 60 to start having kids. By then I’ll be extremely rich, and will have 100 kids through 50 women.
“Break their hearts!”- Miss Havisham in Great Expectations
JUST KIDDING!!!
“And then I said, I hope she grows up to be a pretty little fool. That’s about the best a girl can hope for these days, to be a pretty little fool.” -Daisy in The Great Gatsby
This one I find interesting as I can think of someone who fits this exact description and she seems very happy.
“You want to be with someone who’s an equal.” -my Mom
This one I disagree with. Equal’s not good enough. I need superior, which is actually what she may mean indirectly without knowing it.
“I cannot wait till I am done with work. You want to marry someone who will support you.” – me recently to my five year old
Super-beta proposal….going way too far for a 5…6 in the dark….
But what I think this does is sets up the expectation that women have of the guy serving them…
After a proposal like this, why on earth would she ever put out for him unless he goes to the same extremes to please her as he did in this proposal….seriously, after something like this anything woudl be a let down…and that’s where the approval seeking/supplication is destroying to his masculinity…
Did you see ANY women in that vid who were over 5′s? I don’t mean the older ones (they can have a pass). I give the poor bastard 3 years max before he finds out that she cheated with the pool guy.
Great post. I think it should be noted, however, that selling a card collection is only beta if she learns about it. If you don’t have cash to buy a respectable ring and one is appropriate given her social status, you gotta do what you gotta do. But keep selling the family heirlooms a secret from her.
respectable and social status my black ass. cheapest high carat gold band. if the bitch wants a stupid jeweler’s association diamond she needs to find a dumber guy.
A plain band of gold = respectable.
FYI, diamonds = carbon = coal — they BURN in flame. ( Proven 200 years ago — but still news to brides. )
So, they’re NOT forever.
Save the money — or give her a rack of American Eagle bullion coins if you have to buy her service. This way you won’t enslave Indian children at the grinding wheels of Lahore. You might even tuck it into the pre-nup.
Divorcees, like whores, take their pay upon parting ways. Thusly, your true bride-price should be in the pre-nup.
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Many a jeweler lost gold and diamonds on 9-11. The gold melted to the bottom — and was mostly recovered in the rubble. ( It took months and months. ) The diamonds burned up into carbon dioxide. Obviously, no one was looking for those stones.
If you don’t have the cash to buy a ring, get a better freaking job.. simple..
[heartiste: or don’t get married to a mercenary bitch.]
Need some assistance from the experts.
Girl A who visits sometimes is in town and we verbally agree to another date. I take Girl B out on date in the meantime. Somehow Girl A finds out, I get a text from her expressing disappointment and stating she is jealous. I reply to Girl A telling her not to be jealous and I will keep my promise.
Was that the right reply? And in the future should I bring up her jealousy comment or never mention it again?
No you did fine. You made plans with her and you’re sticking to them, like an honorable man who gets things done. I wouldn’t bring up her competition problems unless she does.
Don’t reply without being cocky & funny.
Never respond with straight logic to emotional outbursts.
At what point did setting a date establish any level of exclusivity?
NEVER text respond defensively — babes love drama ( think of the soap opera industry/ Oprah/ ) — …
A better response would’ve been either no response at all — or a belated quip that makes light of the tension.
To be dead serious is to be anti-romantic.
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Fundamentally, women love the drama of responses/ quips/ jests that can be taken many different ways.
They’ll spin these around the hamster wheel — all night long!
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EXAMPLE: ( Works on the younger set )
“I don’t know WHY I like you…”
Hug, hug; kiss, kiss; tickle…
“Yes, just don’t understand it…”
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At this point one can interject a string of silly confusions: is it your hair? is it your charm? is it your body? is it …
“I just can’t figure you out…”
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Long after you’ve left she’ll be wondering:” Why AM I likable?” —
At which point she’ll fidget thinking of perceived weaknesses… right on through the dawn.
With any luck, she’ll develop a punch list of attributes that she’ll demo the next time you’re together.
That might range from dancing to bedroom antics — anything to DHV to you.
Endeavor to keep her in ‘mid sale’… so that she has to keep on trooping her colors to get your approval.
That’ll keep you both happy.
You talk about sniffing out the beta..check out this Man Cave Collective. I mean they even talk about their desire to fuck other women(other?). What the beta could go wrong? http://www.meetup.com/Man-Cave-Collective/
Well, it’s in the Bay area and they want to study Eckhart Tolle…..
nuff said
I bet a number of betas out there propose marriage when they feel themselves losing the girl, one final act of desperation to convince her stay. This is the only reason I can think of that explains why a marriage proposal would be turned down – the girl had already mentally checked out.
Good call. He played the last card he had in his deck – commitment.
I proposed to my wife while I was lying on top of her in her bed.
Here’s a great example of non-beta behavior.. game themes abound: nicknames, posture, age difference…
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/cat-deeley-tells-us-tv-that-she-has-seen-the-light-with-patrick-kielty-3130927.html?ino=1#wcol
ah, the news is always more interesting once you know these things.
Dude’s a fool and a beta. Cat Deely has openly hit on black dancers appearing on her show—once taking a black contestant’s mouthpiece from his mouth and putting it in her own during a taping. She’s a sex tape with an ape away from being a Kardashian.
>>>She’s a sex tape away from being a Kardashian.
It’s probably already been filmed and the poor whipped bastard will find out after the wedding
I bet the vid includes a double-anal A2M too.
She reminds me of that aging skank Chelsea Handler. I bet her number is over 200. The guy should get the hell away from her and find a 25 yr old.
He’s been friend-zoned for 10 years, and finally awarded the privilege to lick her clit after she hit the wall.
He’s a beta. Try again.
“Often, when reading these sad sack stories, one has the nagging feeling that a better grasp of the market value of the players would clarify why this or that venality visited the protagonist.”
All due respect, who cares how hot she is? He’d still end up in a subjugated position. It’s not worth it if she’s a 10+ or a 5. (Though it’s less worth it if she’s ugly of course.) And obviously her market value is moot since she doesn’t want to marry him anyway. I don’t care how frivolous and childish baseball cards are (and they are), the guy expressed that he was “bummed out” about giving up something he treasured, just for the chance to be validated/humiliated by a woman. Totally unnecessary.
Justifying it by establishing her market value is pointless. If she’d said yes, he’d be a subordinating beta all the same. I guess he can always say “my wife’s hot,” til she ages and/or cheats on/leaves him.
Incidentally, I never bought my wife an engagement ring, and I sure as hell didn’t get on bended knee. I told her my plans for us. She bought my wedding ring (hers is a family heirloom).
As for Story #2: Alpha tells – he didn’t pass up the job opportunity to be with her; she drove two states over to surprise him; she didn’t dump him on the spot (so far as we can tell). Instead she stewed with anger – rather than satisfaction.
is it still possible to get a decoder ring from a box of cracker jack?
“Collections of the sort that are particularly unappealing to women are leading indicators of betaness, because a man who is good with women and able to get sex will not have the patience or motivation to amass piles of mostly useless junk that don’t add to his attractiveness to women. Baseball cards are the province of little boys and grown betas.”
good article, i can agree with most of it, except the above quote. This quote strikes me as a comment coming from someone who is trying to act alpha rather then someone who is a true alpha at his core. First let me say there is no set definition of alpha, but my personal definition is a man who does things on his own terms and does not care what others would think of him for doing so. I get this impression because having this attitude of caring for what a woman desires over your own desires automatically makes you beta imo even if it gets you laid more. A true alpha in my view would collect baseball cards if he had a passion for it and not give a shit if it attracted any women or not, in fact he would probably proudly talk about the subject if it came up, and further not give a shit if she liked what he had to say or not. If getting pussy is your only hobby thats cool, i just think there are many ways to look at this kind of thing, and many approaches to increasing ones competance with women as well as ones self respect. However if you stop doing things you really like because you THINK girls dont like that stuff then you are a beta imo. Also there is a difference between cutting out addictive habits that waste your time that you want to quit, and quitting something because even though you dont want to on a personal level you are afraid to because you think others will judge you for it. Bottom line value your own self respect over trying to gain ground in a womans eye EVERY TIME
additionally i believe the guys most beta move was selling something his father handed down to him, this is betrayl of the highest order for 2 reasons. 1. bloodline betrayel
2. man to man betrayel
How many true alphas “to the core” have the desire to collect mostly useless stuff though? I can’t even fathom how a baseball card collector could truly be alpha. If the alpha for some strange reason would have the desire to collect cards, then I do think that it would be beta to drop collecting just to seem more attractive to women. However, as just stated, I think that a truly alpha baseball card collector is such a rare thing that it’s not even worth discussing to much extent.
While I classify all “collecting” hobbies as beta, I think seeminly pointless hobbies that at least create something (like model building) can be alpha.
Years ago, I worked with a definite alpha who was a very serious collector of baseball cards (and football cards, basketball, hockey, etc.).
What’s the alpha way to do this? Turn your collection into a multimillion dollar publishing company. Google James Beckett. His personal collection of cards was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Read a little on Beckett, and while I can’t make much of a judgement as to whether he seems alpha or not, his way of going about it would probably not hinder his attractiveness.
But I think the distinction is between men whose livelihoods revolve around collecting, and those who do it as a hobby in their spare time. I still find it difficult to imagine an alpha card collector who pursues it just as a hobby, not as a career.
Well, I guess you’d have to take my word for it on his alpha-ness. I worked with him on several projects over a number of years, and based on the way he conducted business, the way he was regarded by his staff, he was a leader. Whether that translates into alpha success with the ladies, I can’t say, but his wife was pretty hot for her early 40s or so, in a monied, Dallas kind of way. His current wife seems pretty hot for her age, and she seems to go for alpha guys, judging by her last husband, Sir Mark Thatcher.
My point, however, was that what started out as a hobby was turned into a very successful business, and if you’re going to collect such things as bubble-gum trading cards, that would be the alpha way to do it. I agree that as just a hobby to engage in your spare time, it’s beta, or omega…
Alphas follow their passion, and have the confidence to back up their enterprises. Betas try to “settle”, not only with women, but with what they want to do.
cant be any more beta male than this liberal crying over the failed recall election on national tv.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hiHsHLDYJIc#!
As said before here, Scott Walker is Alpha. He undoubtedly got the votes of quite a few liberal women who are wet over him. Even with the 114% turnout in Dem stronghold Madison…
The bended knee ritual works well if one is undoubtedly the girl’s catch of a lifetime; if and only if it is done in front of a large sized group of her friends and family. Putting oneself out on the spot like that, simultaneously displays supreme confidence and true intentions, which is the kind of chick crack romance novels are made of. But you better be Fabio in a tailored tux for it to work as intended.
I think there’s something to this. This is about the only context that I can think of where the bended knee does not seem quite so disgusting. It would still be better to do it without, but it mitigates the beta a little bit. However, the girl would have to not feel that she was being pressured into saying yes via the numerous spectators.
I’m very thankful that my husband did not propose to me on bended knee. However, I was honestly upset that he bought a somewhat expensive ring (less than $10,000, but still). I would have much rather have saved that money for a house or something. He knows that I don’t place value on expensive things, but my best guess is that he felt like I might want this to be one exception to our normal buying habits. Or maybe he got some kind of happiness out of buying me something expensive. Who knows. Even though I don’t value the diamond itself, it does still represent that he loves me a lot so I do appreciate it in that kind of way.
I do wholeheartedly agree that a woman who cares at all about what kind of ring she receives is not worth it. Or I guess I would even take it a step further and say that any woman who gets upset at the lack of a proposal has some issues as well.
“I do wholeheartedly agree that a woman who cares at all about what kind of ring she receives is not worth it. Or I guess I would even take it a step further and say that any woman who gets upset at the lack of a proposal has some issues as well.”
I think these things are important, but I see the above reactions as more of a sign to the woman that she is not with the right person. One of my favorite gifts from anyone was a strap wrench. The fact that the guy drove me to several hardware stores to find one simply because I mentioned I had a jar of salsa at home that I couldn’t open was the reason. That and him pointing out the forever guarantee with a shy smile. The guy is gone, but I still have the wrench
No matter how wonderful he may be, I would never want a man to propose to me in front of an audience.
I lived in South America for several years. After dating and living with a local for 3+ years, I decided it was time to go back to the U.S. I said, “if you wanna come with me, we’re gonna have to get married.” Well, she could have come with me without getting married, but she wouldn’t have been able to stay and build a life here without getting a green card and, eventually, citizenship. So, a week after arriving in the States, prenup in hand, we got hitched. It’s been 13 years now. For reasons I can’t always fathom, she still worships me, even when I fuck up big time..
caught the title of the actual letter, found out our love’s not going to go the distance. ya think? If you do propose and get shot down, I would think the only recourse is instant freedom.
Anyway, here is the wages of betadom*, being the most screwed over man in the movies
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/the-most-screwed-over-man-in-history-movies/
*=maybe he is, maybe he isn’t, it’s still funny.
Just curious (maybe an Ohioan can tell me) – why is Chagrin Falls appropriate? I was just there a few months ago for the first time and I’m not getting why it fits. Maybe I’m having a blonde moment.
Chagrin is a french word that means sorrow.
I’m not an Ohioan, but I am a blonde
Chagrin means embarrassment.
I love how you ignore the biggest tell of all: HE WAS FUCKING BROKE. Even underclass alphas get rich from criminal activity. No real alpha ever whined about society not giving them a break– like any “legit” one percenter, they exploit the system to take what they want, rules be damned.
I do not think marriage is per se inherently beta. I think it gets that wrap because in modern times it is really only betas that hop right into marriage. I know plenty of happily married alphas though. I think marriage compliments them because 1) they are alpha and control their woman and 2) their personality was more geared toward long term pair bonding.
One alpha I know just got engaged last year. Dig how he did it too. Got a decent ring from JC Penny on sale for a few hundred bucks. It’s nice looking. Nothing that his soon to be wife would be ashamed to show her girlfriends, but at the same time nothing ostentatious. He asked her one morning while she was cooking him breakfast is some lingerie. He just slide it across the counter without saying a word and let her open it. In the box was the ring and some pre-nup papers he had his lawyer draw up a few weeks before. He just said “if you want to take those papers to a lawyer, have them reviewed, then send them signed over to mine. The offer is good for 30 days. It is a take it or leave it one.” She of course was over the moon about it but gave him some shit about the delivery. He was wondering how long it would take her to find a lawyer and get his lawyer the pre-nup. The answer came the next afternoon. His lawyer called him to tell him he had received the paperwork and everything was in order. It had been reviewed by another lawyer across town and was to her satisfaction. (Always have a potential wife get another lawyer to review any pre-nup. If you don’t you will regret it and it may be unenforceable in some states.)
They got married about four months later. Nothing big. It was a garden wedding with about 30-40 people. They went to some island for a week afterward. The guy told me the entire thing cost them around $6,000 including the honeymoon. Not bad. Saved money and avoided giving her a princess complex at the same time. His wife is as happy as can be. It is funny to see the loathing hatred that her female friends have for her and her alpha husband now. They give her “the look” any time they are together and then just stare down their beta husbands or boyfriends with a look of sheer hatred. As someone on this blog once wrote – the best wedding ring a woman can have is an alpha husband.