Feh writes:
Anti-game is trivial:
– get misty-eyed at emotional shit
– bore her with details
– constantly let her re-frame
– buy her drinks [Ed: Outside of a date context.]
– compliment her gratuitously
– talk about your hobbies with oblivious enthusiasm
– never ask her a question
– never look away
– let her see your shit-eating smile
– accede to her manipulative horseshit
– never, ever say “horseshit” in conversationThe list could go on …
It could, and it shall. Here are some more anti-game behaviors and traits, from a pickup and LTR perspective:
Constantly remind her how happy you are to be with her.
Laugh at your own jokes.
Laugh uproariously at her “jokes”.
Feed her need for gossip.
Put up with her shit an order of magnitude more frequently than she puts up with your shit.
Ask yes or no or one-word answer type questions.
Act contrite when she catches you checking out her body.
Stare, look away, stare, look away, stare, look away.
Ask her if she has a condom.
Cuddle her so long that she is the one to first start wriggling free.
Hold in farts around her until your colon bursts. (LTR applicable only.)
Fidget, talk fast, mumble, lean in, babble tiresomely like a girl who has a heavy emotional burden to unload.
Talk incessantly about the state of the relationship.
Whine about how hard life is.
Betray too much enthusiasm when she tells you about something cool she did.
Act impressed with her educational credentials or career success.
Sympathize with her bitching about badboy exes.
Agree to her tacit sex timetable. (A woman is capable of making you wait for months absent any masculine push on your part. Ironically, this very acquiescence to her female sensibility will turn her off to sex with you.)
Get wrathfully jealous every time she checks out a dude or talks about another guy.
Spitefully berate her genuine accomplishments.
Say crap like “I don’t deserve you” with sincerity.
Be a kitchen bitch.
Drop everything you like to do to do everything she likes to do. (Man, I know a lot of guys like this. Sickening.)
Wanly smile when she denigrates you to her friends.
Make videos like this. (Suffice to say, this nauseating beta dweeb did not win his ex back, muscles and looks to the contrary notwithstanding.)
Resort to saying “I suppose you’re right” every time she accuses you of some character defect.
Constantly, and insipidly, ask her if she “likes it this way” during lovemaking.
Forget the art of plain old fucking.
Turn to face her fully as soon as you open a girl. Stay that way while she continues giving you her profile.
Buying girls drinks as a MEANS OF OPENING THEM.
Muck up cold reads until they sound like interrogations.
Show up more than five minutes early for dates. (She doesn’t have to know about this, but it will be written all over your body language.)
Go for the night-ending kiss, get denied, follow up by shouting at her as she’s leaving that you’ll call her. Make it a promise.
Skip on the way home after a “successful” date that did not end in sex.
Apologize for infractions she has not even accused you of.
Support feminism. Make a big show of it.
Ingratiate yourself to her. (Example: “Porn is disgusting. I’d never watch it.”)
Know a little too much about the TV wasteland, articles in the Style section of any major newspaper, or women’s fashion.
Make breakfast for her after the first night together. (She has not yet earned your LTR provisions. Buying her breakfast at the local deli is OK.)
Deprecate yourself for cheap laughs and conversation fuel. (As an example of the handicap principle in action, self-deprecation is acceptable in small — very small — doses.)
Follow her from bar to bar.
Join her plans instead of inviting her to join your plans.
Agree to meet her friends before you have sexed her. (Note: this can be pulled off if you have very high value or tight game, and you are certain sex is an eventual given.)
Wait in the exact same spot for her to return after she has told you she’ll be gone for ten minutes. Talk to no one while waiting.
Pine over, or disparage, your ex on a first date.
Listen to her intently when she talks about her exes.
Always follow her conversational lead. Never veer off the path she lays out, or start your own path.
Touch her hair too soon.
Sit with your legs crossed. (Acceptable only if you are an office executive.)
Sweat profusely from anything other than vigorous exercise, sex or fighting.
Eagerly say yes to every one of her requests. (“No” is a powerful male attractant. The mere utterance of it can electrify vulvae.)
Be hopelessly indecisive.
Fail every shit test in spectacular fashion. (Example: vehemently deny you are the thing she says you are.)
Pick your nose and wipe the booger on her forehead. (Save this for the six month mark, at which point she’ll be too invested to do anything more than feebly complain.)
There are many more anti-game tells, but I’ll stop for now. You should get the gist.
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Anti-game is the suite of low-value male characteristics that actively repulses girls. It is a constellation of insecure, approval-seeking behavior that is a leading indicator the man behaving in such a way is a loser, and worse, believes he is a loser. Anti-game is distinguishable from no-game by the proactive and accelerated nature of its tendency to trigger disgust in women. A no-game-having beta can sometimes obliviously motor through a pickup if the girl he is hitting on is low value herself, or finds him peculiarly attractive, and thus more likely to forgive his lack of charm. But an anti-game-having beta will actually cause an incipient attraction a girl may have for him to quickly dissipate. Anti-game is the equivalent of a monkey throwing feces in the face of a prospective mate. Or Ahmadinejad bloviating about the 12th iman at the UN.
Anti-game, by the way, is a great method for manipulating a girl to break up with you so you don’t have to do the dirty work.
on September 23, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Reply FIRST! The ultimate in anti game.
on September 23, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Reply Replying to your own FIRST post is also anti game. Why, yes, I am an expert on anti game. Because I have done damn near everything on this list. OK, many things on this list. It’s a rather sobering read. Now why would a fairly high value guy do things that lower his value? Answer, from CH – in the hopes of gaining approval. Lesson learned.
on September 23, 2011 at 7:36 pm | Reply @Southern Man FIRST! The ultimate in anti-game. Fucking A. Testify. Damned right lesson learned. Aperçu, epiphany, born-again, what-fucking-ever, can I get an amen? I’ve been lurking here for about a week. I can’t tear myself away from this goddamn site. I’ve had more revelations in the past few months than in the previous six decades. What a fucking idiot I’ve been! Guys, I assume you’re doing this not just for the money, but that you’re on a mission. Well, chalk up a little victory. Ya’ll just gave a sleepwalker the red pill.
on September 23, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Reply In other words, AFC behavior.
on September 23, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Reply but without sounding like a pickup nerd. yes. If you know the term AFC – you officially are one, or once were.
on September 23, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Reply A couple points: “never ask her a question” The fewer questions you ask, the more alpha you will seem. You are the oak, and she is there to enjoy you. In online game, asking a chick questions before you’ve established interest kills the pickup very quickly, and are not really necessary in the first place. “Resort to saying “I suppose you’re right” every time she accuses you of some character defect.” Depends. I say things like “I’m a conceited prick…I’m a terrible person…I live in a tent by the beach, next to the public showers” with a smug look, hint of a smirk. Doesn’t hurt. Roosh does a good job of it in his vids. If she’s calling you an asshole as you’re deprecating yourself, you’re doing it right. [Heartiste: If you’re saying it in a cocky way as a disqualifier, then that’s OK. I meant any guy who says it apologetically, to avoid a disagreement.] Know a little too much about the TV wasteland, articles in the Style section of any major newspaper, or women’s fashion. Paul Janka disagrees. Chicks into fashion are piqued by guys who know about women’s fashion. If there’s one thing herbs don’t know, it’s fashion. [True. That’s why I specified “too much”. It starts to creep a girl out if you can blab endlessly in excrutiating detail about chick shows or the latest fashion trends.]
on September 23, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Reply I’ve done a couple of those things and the result has clearly been a deadening of the attraction. Very depressing. Talking about the relationship should be A1A…..what a total tingle killer that is.
on September 23, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Reply The other thing that will blown my mind is when i see guys doing this type of crap but the girl isn’t splitting or isn’t looking like she is drifting. Maybe it’s the value discrepancy or something, but i notice that some guys can get away with it. This one kid i know is constantly telling his gf how much he loves her and i want to be like “how is he getting away with that.” Odd.
on September 23, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Reply Some women are too busy to accept new alphas in their lives and having a doormat means she keeps her boots clean. Are these broads getting their Master’s Degrees or teaching undergrads? Give it time…
on September 23, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Reply I’ve never had the chance to practice anti-game cuz I am anti-game incarnate, I actively repulse both males and females.
on September 23, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Reply double negatives create a positive
on September 23, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Reply What is antigame? Maybe the better question is what is “game”? The technique invented and used by some nerd desperately trying to pull a hottie, which. Any kind of long term relationship requires people being at the same level. I takes the MAN with balls to hold and manage a hottie. Game – I´ll do anything just for your hot pussy, dear, I will learn NLP, palm reading, behave like a fuc.king moron, just to get laid. Manliness – I do not give a fuck about your little, insignificant pussy, unless you behave in the way that is worthy of my attention. Should you guys behave that way, men would be back in their driver seat again and women would follow our lead. [Heartiste: All men ultimately do everything they do for the pussy. Game merely streamlines the process by dispensing with the proxy inefficiencies.]
on September 23, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Reply Heartiste, If men stopped doing everything for the pussy, women would fall in line faster than anything else anyone has every tried short of killing us. It is the men who live solely for what they want that draw us more than ANYTHING else.
on September 23, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Reply Caveat: Women worth LTR’s anyway. There will always be women who crave the bad boy no matter what crap he puts her through.
on September 23, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Reply Men do everything that they do in order to impress women. It’s not even conscious. We are hardwired to long for status and accumulating wealth in order to ensure our reproductive success. We cannot stop doing everything for the pussy, just like women cannot mitigate their desire for successful men. A woman does not really want a rich guy in order to go shopping. It’s just that her propensity for shopping and accumulating useless crap is an evolutionary advantage. It pushes her to desire a wealthy/successful man, so that her kids won’t starve, and will be able to use their (putative) father’s resources in order to carry on her genetic legacy. Most guys on this blog (including me) are thinking in terms of evolutionary psychology. We believe in it because the whole Game is based on a bastardized version of evo psych, and since game works, evo psych is far from being the total BS that its detractors want it to be.
on September 23, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Reply Women are repulsed by anti-game both consciously and sub-consciously. Case in point: I once met this chick and on the 3 date we had sex and I was too tipsy to drive back home, so I slept at her place. I only had one condom but I initiated the second round of combat in the middle of the night with the intention of pulling out. She was on top when I was about to nut and as I started to push her off me, she held on to me with all her strength, so I busted half a nut inside her. Scared of any accusations or actual crazy kids, I resorted to calling her (literally) 10 times a day and calling her pet names and all of that anti-game thing. Needless to say, she lost interest in me. I told this story to my very naive, current girlfriend and she high-fived me.
on September 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Reply Unrelated, but this is side-splittingly funny: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/fashion/sometimes-its-not-you-or-the-math-modern-love.html
on September 23, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Reply @ jaw: what was the point of that crap besides feeding some hamsters ego?
on September 23, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Reply “let her see your shit-eating smile” What’s the difference between this and a cocky shiteating smirk/grin?
on September 23, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Reply Self control. Don’t “let her see it.” Use it at an opportune moment, avoid it otherwise.
on September 23, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Reply Are you saying that we should say “horse shit” or to not say it. This is a painful, important list. More please.
on September 23, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Reply What’s this about touching hair too soon? I sometimes use my fingers to decisively comb a woman’s hair back behind her ear for early kino on a date. I find some excuse for it, usually making fun of her (e.g. checking for grey hair).
on September 23, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Reply Agree to meet her friends before you have sexed her Aren’t you supposed to meet her friends in the process of meeting/knowing her?
on September 23, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Reply I’ve made breakfast for a girl after the first night. It hasn’t burned me yet; probably because I make it clear that I’m making MYSELF some food and she’s welcome to have some IF she wants what I feel like eating.
on September 23, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Reply can’t you get away with a lot of this if you simple don’t give a fuck?
on September 23, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Reply also one thing i can’t grasp is how do you present your interests/hobbies/passions without coming off as beta?
on September 23, 2011 at 5:10 pm | Reply No you can’t. We don’t know what you’re thinking. Either your behavior is a turn on or a turn off.
on September 23, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Reply Nicely detailed and all very, very true. Gregg guy is a fine example of an “all love its beautiful and natural and thus can’t be studied”. Brrr!
on September 23, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Reply “Turn to face her fully as soon as you open a girl. Stay that way while she continues giving you her profile.” Very important concept. Angle of facing someone with face, shoulders, and hips, all subtly convey value and investment. Learn to mirror whom you’re talking to, with just a hair less investment than they show. Works wonders.
on September 23, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Reply This list should be added to the Commandments of Poon!
on September 23, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Reply Anti-game is the condition of letting your behavior be directed and determined by girls. Positive game is conscious. You *choose* to build comfort or attraction, depending on what you want. For a lot of men in our feminized butthexed infantilized culture, anti-game results in the behaviors mentioned above. That list can be multiplied infinitely because it’s the sheer lack of inner direction and discipline that produces it. When you’re not directing yourself, you’re vulnerable to obeying all the groupthink misandry around us. That obedience costs you big-time. Get your head in the game, and you don’t need an infinite list of don’ts. Thanks for the hat tip, H.
on September 23, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Reply Awesome simplification. We need to get the big concept and the myriad details as well.
on September 23, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Reply What about giving her nicknames? I love to give nicknames very soon to the girls I meet. Even before I’m fucking them. I think it’s alpha when the nicknames are sexy like “Lolita” or even a little depreciating like “my favorite fattie”.
on September 23, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Reply Heartiste Hold in farts around her until your colon bursts. THIS is the stumbling block that felled gbfm.
on September 23, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Reply Shit… booger2forehead. So that’s why I’ve been failing lately. That was my standard opening for the past 2 months. I’d go from the booger-2-4head straight into a rant about the return of the 12th imam. Whew.
on September 23, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Reply Booger on the forehead sounds like asshole game to me
on September 23, 2011 at 4:46 pm | Reply I’d rather not have AG than have game. I do one thing on this list and that is to laugh at my own jokes especially around bores. I love laughter, but it’s one of the things that I do without thinking the other is smile when a girl compliments me or does something interesting like bend over in front of me.
on September 23, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Reply I can’t recall doing something on that list recently. Yey me. But i used to do at least half of that shit. The wonders of game and the red pill will never cease to amaze me… “Sweat profusely from anything other than vigorous exercise, sex or fighting” Recalling this hurts. I was a fat fuck (couldn’t-see-my-johnson kind of fat fuck), and that thing was disgusting. I had the nerve to get a girlfriend. She was sweet and all, but i will always remember her look (and other people’s look) when i was sweating without a valid justification. If you got that curse, do as much cardio as you can. It stopped as soon as i started regular cardio, even before the weight loss.
on September 23, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Reply My Favorites on the list: Say crap like “I don’t deserve you” with sincerity. —-Wow. wow. haha Be a kitchen bitch. —-Thats her job. Quit yet bitchen get back to the kitchen? Think I’m mean, shut up and clean… Constantly, and insipidly, ask her if she “likes it this way” during lovemaking. —-People do this??? Support feminism. Make a big show of it. —–LULZ Ingratiate yourself to her. (Example: “Porn is disgusting. I’d never watch it.”) Know a little too much about the TV wasteland, articles in the Style section of any major newspaper, or women’s fashion. —–Hahaha couldn’t agree more. This is pathetic. BUT Only two i might disagree with “Touch her hair too soon.” —–Touching a womans hair is a fantastic way to judge if she is ready to be kissed. You can always just go for it, sure, but if she lets you touch her hair she will not deny a kiss 87.3% of the time. Also “Make breakfast for her after the first night together.” (She has not yet earned your LTR provisions. Buying her breakfast at the local deli is OK.) —–I hate spending money. therefor i will cook her breakfast after the first time, to show some aftercare. This is likely to be the last breakfast i will make for her.
on September 23, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Reply ‘Muck up cold reads until they sound like interrogations.’ This one really made me laugh. I just imagine a girl with a slowly burgeoning sense of fear thinking ‘get me the f**k out of here!’
on September 23, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Reply “All men ultimately do everything they do for the pussy. Game merely streamlines the process by dispensing with the proxy inefficiencies.” False. Definitely not true. BOYS, not MEN, would do anything for the pussy. I confess that there used to be a period in my life during which I would do anything for the pussy. High level of testosterone explains this pretty well. I estimate this being within a life period from 14 – to 26/7 years old. During this couple of years we (together with my buddies) set a goal of fucking at least 50 beautifull women. We thought that THIS would definitely turn us from boys into MEN. There was no doubt about this one among us, in this time. Then somewhere along the line…something changed. Womne just…lost their importance. So I set up a business, my own company – you know, the ultimate manliness as my generation was told by our daddies – to create someting from nothing and you will be da MAN. I gotta admit that this was/is definitely the thing OF GREATER importance than to fuck women, this is a real fight, this is a tough thing to do, but still…no satisfaction. Than, I my late thirties…I turned into spirituality – gnosticism, meditation, meyrink, things far above this humble and primitive existence. There finally has been some satisfaction, some purpose, some mission…… Anyway, you roissy are doing the great job for beta chumps, I salute to you, man. But I still can not get this one – WHY are women still so important to you? Suppose you´ve fucked your share of gorgeous pussy, what is the reason of doing this over and over again? It is the same stupid story, over and over again, isn´t it? Women are just little children of little significance for a MAN, aren´t they? I will not give ´em a single euro from my hard earned income, single minute of my time, unless they PROVE to me that they are worthy of my time/attention. What is the ultimate purpose of our existence on this planet? To fuck some amoral, little child? Maybe you guys have bigger problems with women, like we do, I don´t know. I was born/live in the Eastern Europe. I occaisonally travel to your country on business and I gotta admit that your “western” women are behaving like some spoiled little brats. What a mess!! Should some chick form my country behave this way she will have a tough time with us. To cut it short, my response to the question “what is antigame” is – to treat women as if they were somehow important for da MAN and HIS mission on this planet. Best wishes roissy.
on September 23, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Reply wow, that was a painful trip down memory lane
on September 23, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Reply Am now in a game struggle with the girl I’ve been seeing for 8 months. There is a middle ground. It’s the standing firm and keeping your cool but doing what you want. One beta thing I’ve found myself doing is calling her annoying. This has the impact of only emboldening her. It’s like a badge of honour for a girl to be called annoying. I have to hold back… She was doing all the shit-tests, showing up late, pouting etc etc. So I replied by planning a trip without her, then called up and said “I’m going away…..” When she asked why I wasn’t taking her, I said I wanted to “hang out”. She went mental and it digressed into a series of shit-tests and pouting. Some of what she said: Her: Why didn’t you ask me about going? Me: I don’t need your permission. Her: But you need to ask me… Me: We went to that concert last time, I did ask, all you did is complain, so figured you’d be bored and wouldn’t want to go. That was about as Beta as I got….the other things…. Her: You’re supposed to make me happy. Me: I’m not a concierge. Her: I’m going away next weekend. Me: Cool. Have fun…. It went on like that. Bottom line, she’s pissed I’ve asserted myself. Sure there were some beta things in there. But overall, I stuck to my position. Girls hate this. Then she brought up all this stuff about other girls approaching me. I agreed and amplifiied. But you don’t have to yell or make a scene. Just stand your ground. Just do something like go away and don’t apologize for it…. However, I can see that this girl is very spoiled and used to guys caving in to this behaviour. I think game in theory means being conscious of what you say. Saying it cooly but assertively and not caving in. I