Because the ‘I have a boyfriend’ shit test reflex is commonly encountered when picking up women, many resourceful men have figured out ways around it. As far as I can tell, workarounds fall into the following categories:
- Acknowledge it and plow
An example of this would be replying “Oh, that’s cool. Hey, you can bring him along when we go for drink.” Or: “Every girl has some guy they call a boyfriend.” Proceed with pickup as before.
- Ignore it and plow
She says “I have a boyfriend”; you say… “Hey, check this out. Which fingers do you wear your rings on?” Proceed with pickup as before. [See: Style’s Ring Finger routine]
- Make a clever retort and plow
For instance, she says “I have a boyfriend” and you reply “That’s cute. So does my girlfriend! We have something in common.” Proceed with pickup as before.
- Preempt it
Before she has a chance to vomit the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line, you say “I’m surprised you would come to a place like this without your boyfriend” or “Does you boyfriend know you’re out here tonight?” and see if she bites. Upside: Saves lots of time avoiding users like the girl in yesterday’s post. Downside: Reminds her of the boyfriend if she really has one.
- Indict the boyfriend and plow
The idea behind this tactic is to plant a seed of doubt in her mind about her boyfriend (or strengthen the doubt already in her mind). So you reply: “Do you need your boyfriend’s permission to talk to a cool guy in a bar?” Or: [look around] “I used to let my girlfriend go out with her friends a lot. It was good because I could do my own thing when she wasn’t around.” [smile mischievously] “Where’s your boyfriend?” Ignore her answer and plow.
- Question her independence and plow
Reply: “You’d better give him a call and tell him you’re not doing anything bad. Some guys worry.” Turbocharged plow!
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Which one of the above countermoves is most effective? I don’t know. I’ve used all of them with some success. The key is to pay attention to the point in the conversation when she ejaculates the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line. If she says it right away before you’ve gotten two words out of your mouth, it is most likely not a shit test to determine your fuckworthiness. She either doesn’t like the cut of your beta jibe and is letting you down quickly and easily, or she really does have a boyfriend and is being a woman with integrity by letting you know this up front before you have wasted precious minutes futilely gaming her.
On the other hand, if she talks with you for a while before saying it, and she has dropped a few IOIs your way, there is a good chance it is an artificial hurdle. She either has a (rapidly fading) boyfriend and is open to being properly seduced by you, or she doesn’t have a boyfriend and her saying it is just a crude shit test because she’s a woman of low character and social retardation. Either way, you should plow as if her boyfriend objection is meaningless, because it is. The third possibility, and the most dangerous female ploy, is the one I wrote about yesterday: She has a boyfriend she is not going to cheat on, but omits this vital information so she can delight in the ego stroking you give her with your flirty attention. The only way to avoid timesucks like this is to preempt the boyfriend excuse, as explained above. The problem with preemption is that it risks setting an anti-seduction tone. Luckily, I’ve found that it’s a minority of taken women who will deliberately string men along for the attention.
How will you know if she’s open to being seduced away from an imaginary (or not) boyfriend, or if she’s just using you for validation? The answer is in her facial expression. As with the girl I wrote about yesterday, a woman who looks clearly apologetic when she drops the boyfriend bomb and turns rapidly cold after saying it is an attention whore. A user of the good feelings you gave her for twenty minutes. But, if she is still engaged with you after mentioning her boyfriend, and her flirty demeanor hasn’t let up at all, you can safely assume the BF excuse is just that… an excuse. Be sure to verify her continued interest by moving her to a quiet part of the bar. This is critical. A girl in a relationship who has no intention of screwing around on her boyfriend will not follow you to a different location, no matter how good your game or how much she likes you or how few feet away is the new spot. The venue change/location move is a reliable test for smoking out the user whores.
dougjnn 
on March 24, 2009 at 11:00 am Why didn’t you employ any of these techniques with that girl instead of huffing and puffing?
on March 24, 2009 at 11:02 am “She either has a (rapidly fading) boyfriend and is open to being properly seduced by you, or she doesn’t have a boyfriend and her saying it is just a crude shit test because she’s a woman of low character and social retardation.” Or a woman not interested in you in *that* way.
on March 24, 2009 at 11:04 am “She has a boyfriend she is not going to cheat on, but omits this vital information so she can delight in the ego stroking you give her with your flirty attention.” How hell do you know that she did in fact have a boyfriend? She rejected you, therefore it must’ve automatically been because she was already with someone else as opposed to thinking you’re not worth her.
on March 24, 2009 at 11:05 am Self-deception, thy name is Roissy!
on March 24, 2009 at 11:08 am “I have a Boyfriend” “…but I didn’t ask you that!” (with a smirk) Works every time!
on March 24, 2009 at 11:16 am I am tossed up on this one…there is nothing I hate more than hearing a female prattle on and on about the minutia of her relationship as if it is the crowning achievement in her life….perhaps in hindsight it serves a purpose. Off topic, I thought this crowd would mercilessly devour this article from the “New York Beta Times”…I prefer to call it the New York “Ignorantly Caviar-Gauche” Times. I felt the author was particularly kind in describing the aesthetic qualities of these women…I believe the blonde gets compared to Scarlett Johannsen! http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/fashion/22fempire.html?_r=1&ref=movies
on March 24, 2009 at 11:20 am I was cracking up at the “You should call him and tell him you’re not doing anything bad” line. That’s some funny shit, I don’t know how well it would work though. What I’m wondering is, of all the choices that roissy mentioned, how do you know what the best method is? I’m sure it’s all individualized and you just have to use your best judgement, but is there a default to do in this situation? I was flirting with a girl in one of my classes the other day, and she’s giving me all sorts of IOI’s, I wasn’t going to pursue that day. Then she drops the casual, “I want to go ____ on spring break with my boyfriend!” I just ignored it (as I usually do) and plow on as if it were any other shit test that would best serve being ignored.
on March 24, 2009 at 11:21 am abe please stop making a fool of yourself and read the post for comprehension before autonomically spitting out the talking points in your head.
on March 24, 2009 at 11:23 am ^I did read it. All I see is desperate rationalization on your part.
on March 24, 2009 at 11:29 am roissy, you rock. Abe, you belong in a barrell in a mexican prison. STFU and quit polluting the blog comments!.
on March 24, 2009 at 11:33 am lol abe you are rapid fire commenting a blog you claim to be above, please STFU and GTFO
on March 24, 2009 at 11:34 am Roissy, what about adding another approach…? (a) Directly calling her out on the implication you want to hook up with her – put her on the defensive (push/pull) and say why do you think I’d care if you have a boyfriend, are you putting some kind of moves (or voodoo, player game, mindgames) on me? (b) Then (pull back) mention you do feel a genuine connection, and (c) if she needs to break up with her boyfriend so she can make friends first, then you can help her with her learning lessons of independance (segueway into how a girl must be independant before interdependant in a relationship blahther- use a little steven covey there) … oh and then swoop swoop swoop!
on March 24, 2009 at 11:37 am Abe, You have a boyfriend?
on March 24, 2009 at 11:53 am Abe– Why didn’t you employ any of these techniques with that girl instead of huffing and puffing? How retarded can you get? The answer is right in Roissy’s post. Reread and answer for yourself. If you sill can’t, you’re hopeless.
on March 24, 2009 at 11:55 am Roissy– Another really good one. I definitely learned some things. I don’t know how you keep spitting this stuff out day after day, and in such a well written way.
on March 24, 2009 at 11:57 am Abe– I thought your comment was so ‘tard that I immediately responded to it, before reading through the other comments. Seems everyone else thinks it was just as retarded as I did.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:00 pm The context matters, as Roissy said. If the woman is one of integrity and mentions it upfront, I appreciate it. If she’s running the rapo game, I walk away, though I have to admit it’s only happened once or twice. If it’s somewhere in between, that is, she’s getting rid of me, not everyone, I used the comeback mentioned above, “I didn’t ask you if you had a boyfriend, I asked you …” and keep going. Her response to that would determine whether I’d keep going.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:00 pm Maybe I’ll just say ‘I’m engaged!’ whenever a guy I don’t know approaches me, regardless of whether I think he’s actually interested or not. “Bhetti, listen, could I ask you a question about aneamia…” “DAMNIT BOY! I don’t know/remember you! I’m engaged to be married! Quit wasting your evolutionarily valuable time with me!” I will have to use this at least once. Just for the laughs.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:07 pm Tracinho The NY Times is ground zero for reassuring women that smart and well educated with a strong professional career — and older — is what’s REALLY sexy to men with any taste. It’s a delusion their female readership loves to have reinforced daily and their feminist propagandized (not least by the NY Times) male readership generally at least partly buys as well – or they think they do. It’s a central mission of the Times to get their higher beta readership to be happy to settle for smart 6′s 5′s and 4′s, at least Jewish 4′s. You know, like most of the female writers and editors on the Times.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:12 pm I see a bunch of morons trying to assist their idol in his self-deception. Oh, that girl was pulling some ploy alright…the ploy of rejecting some dude she barely knew for 30 minutes after he tried to make moves on her. Women! Sheesh.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:15 pm There was a guy who spent hours talking at me (can’t say talking with, really, since I couldn’t get a word in); I seriously had no idea he was interested that way especially (silly mistake I used to make: thinking saying I was muslim was enough). He kept on saying later ‘I want those four hours of my life back!’. I still didn’t realise he had been interested, hearing it through friends. I assumed he doesn’t care who the audience for the ranting was. I think he was another example of bad game, kept on mentioning girls in odd ways and how not-fake rich he was.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:17 pm Abe – Why would a girl use a guys name to comment on a blog?
on March 24, 2009 at 12:19 pm “Abe – Why would a girl use a guys name to comment on a blog?” HAHAHA! LOL! !!!!!!! !! !
on March 24, 2009 at 12:25 pm Can people please stop feeding the Abe troll? he makes TJF look insightful and witty.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:30 pm Great post. My favorite reaction is the “acknowledge, then plow” approach. If a girl has given me IOIs and spits out the BF line, it usually means her relationship is weak and/or the BF is on his way out. The “BF ejaculation” is a girl’s way of shedding responsibility for what she wants to happen (i.e. shagging with a new guy). In a woman’s mind, she’s thinking “well I did my job and told him I have a BF, so I’m not at fault if he keeps talking to me. I mean, I made it clear I’m off the market.” When gaming women, it is absolutely KEY to structure the interaction and logistics such that the woman can maintain plausible deniability for any decision that brings the two of you closer to sex. For example, I usually bring girls back to my place “for ice cream” or to “look at photos of my trip to China.” She knows and I know why we are really going back to my place. But after we have sex, she can maintain to herself and her social circle that it “just happened.” It did not “just happen.” She cooperated in making it happen. Subconsciously, or even consciously, she knows she was complicit in decisions leading to sex. But she maintains plausible deniability. I think this instinct is rooted in evolutionary psychology. Women must never be seen by men or by the social circle to be seeking sex even if they are in fact seeking sex. If they gain a reputation like that, no man can ever be sure he is the father of her children and no man will give her provider support. It makes perfect sense.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm Roissy, if you are working up to a manuscript of a book, Pupu recommends you taking a look at this one, in case you have not seen it. Is Sex Necessary?: Or Why You Feel the Way You Do Pupu loves it. For one thing, it has nice pictures 🙂
on March 24, 2009 at 12:40 pm Unusually relevant post today, Roissy; you aren’t often so prompt with follow-up.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:40 pm dougnjj do you spend all day making bizarro conspiracy theories? wow. just wow.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:42 pm “The key is …when she ejaculates the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line. If she says it right away … She either doesn’t like the cut of your beta jibe and is letting you down quickly and easily, or she really does have a boyfriend and is being a woman with integrity…” Or her quick rejection is based on the pua’s socio-economic, racial or group status. If she’s a biker chick and the pua is a yuppie – or she’s not into Pakistanis with one arm. It’s not just rejection based on beta-ness, nor is it an “either/or” scenario rewarding her with instant integrity. The win/lose proposition omits some key variables; if I’m being petty, it’s only because women have rejected me on account of my 9″ tongue.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:50 pm It did not “just happen.” She cooperated in making it happen. Subconsciously, or even consciously, she knows she was complicit in decisions leading to sex. But she maintains plausible deniability. Sexless Sample: During our dinner the other night, non-date felt guilty about lying to her boyfriend about going to the mall and covering up the fact she was eating at a local chain restaurant with me. Thus, to fulfil the lie, after dinner, we went to the mall and did some quick window shopping.
on March 24, 2009 at 12:51 pm A good question to Roissy – how long did he wait to tell girls he was hitting on that he had a girlfriend? (while dating au pair girl) did he even bother to tell?
on March 24, 2009 at 12:52 pm When a girl is talkng to you with “shiny eyes” she is interested. If she is talking to you with “dead eyes” — even if she’s enjoying the conversation — she is not interested. It comes down to her eyes; that’s at least always been my gauge.
on March 24, 2009 at 1:06 pm It must suck to be you, roissy. That’s all I can come up with at the moment.
on March 24, 2009 at 1:11 pm abe – Roissy answered your question in the comments section of yesterday’s post. The girl’s boyfriend showed up at the bar and was seen stroking her hair.
on March 24, 2009 at 1:33 pm Mystery put it very succinctly; early in the conversation it means, “You just conveyed too much interest.” I say that later on it means very little. I had a daygame situation a few days ago where the girl casually mentioned her husband while I was taking her number and setting up a day two. I was completely nonreactive.
on March 24, 2009 at 1:44 pm Bhetti, here are some truths: 1. every man you have ever met has evaluated you sexually first and foremost, and every time he thinks of you afterwards. 2. 95% of the time, a man will not talk to a woman he does nto find attractive unless it is for purely functionary reasons (ordering a hamburger, telling her to stop blocking his path,a sking which aisle the milk is in). 3. 100% of the time, when a straight man talks to you at a bar, he wants into your pants, or your gfs pants. Yes, even the men with gfs. Hope that helps.
on March 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm lol lurker
on March 24, 2009 at 1:48 pm I think if a chick tells you she has a man, it would be appropriate to bust out the immortal early 90s rap from Positive K: http://www.lyrics007.com/Positive%20K%20Lyrics/I%20Got%20A%20Man%20Lyrics.html Her: I got a man. You: What your man got to do with me?
on March 24, 2009 at 1:49 pm Interesting post, Roissy. But I must maintain what I said yesterday-as a rule, when in “mating ground” spots (clubs, bars, etc), I don’t approach Women. I already know why they’re there, etc. So if im there, its usually just to bust it up w/my homies. If anything happens, it’ll be because she stepped to me. Doing this Game experiment has caused me to really think back on my life when it came to gals. And I’ve found that, every single time I approached a Woman, I either struckout (sometimes badly), or, things didn’t work out ultimately. On the other hand, those times when a Woman was interested enough to step to me in some way-and the Proximity Alert System is definitely a powerful tool to use and know in this regard-things tended to go well. Quite well indeed. At present, I have two ladies I’ve been dealing with. Both saw me and made their interest known. One of them “had a boyfriend”. I didnt find out about that until after the fact. One of the ladies I’ve been dealing with for about 6 years now. The other I’ve written about in some detail here in this venue. We began in Jan of this year. So far, so good. Back in the 90s, another pair of ladies I was dealing with serves as another example. One of them I pursued in classic “try hard” fashion. The other I “magnetized”. While I dealt with both for an extended period, simultaneously and with their complete knowledge of each other, there was a clear and present difference in the tone and vibe between them. The first gal I had to constantly stay in “try hard” mode; the latter, the game came to me, so to speak. What a difference. To be honest, I cannot recall the last time I had a gal tell me “I have a boyfriend”. Maybe that’s because I intuitively or subconsciously focused more on being a kind of magnet, than going out and making the hard sell. I try to be one of the more interesting, different, dynamic guys in the room. Which has never been a problem for me. What I’m thankful for Game for though, is that it hipped me to the evo-insights that “A” above spoke to, wrt why Women do what they do, including things like IOIs & the PAS. That really sharpened my focus. Sorry for the rambling. Just wanted to suggest, that perhaps we fellas might take a page outta the ladies’ book: learn how to attract once in a while. Afterall, we all know how much Women just love the Shiny Shit. Right? Magnetize… The Obsidian
on March 24, 2009 at 1:53 pm personally, i’ve never liked using the “so where is your boyfriend tonight” shtick, but i guess it works for some….
on March 24, 2009 at 1:58 pm test
on March 24, 2009 at 2:00 pm if a chick tells you she has a boyfriend i think it would be proper to bust out the rap from the immortal 90s hit “I Got a Man” from Positive K: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/onehitwonders/igotamanlyrics.html Her: I got a Man. You: Whats your man got to do with me?
on March 24, 2009 at 2:22 pm —So if im there, its usually just to bust it up w/my homies. If anything happens, it’ll be because she stepped to me.— Fo’ shizzle! Christ, you’re full of shit. Kthula should be along any minute so you two can talk about ghetto shit.
on March 24, 2009 at 2:35 pm I had a weird experience once, i was sitting on a train, in the restaurant wagon and a very handsome guy came in, and i was sitting alone and his eyes wondered of towards mine, he had some trouble to change money, so he came up to me and asked if he could invite me for something, and i was bored and stuff so i sad yes. After the first minutes of conversation, as he was a bit pushy i dropped the i have a boyfriend sentence, it wasn’t true, i just didn’t want him to expect something. As we had 2.5 hours of conversation, i started to really like him, i was a bit tipsy, and i suggested that whenever he comes to the city i live in, i would love to show him around and i told this in a flirty way,, the face expression i got from him was depressing. You could read that he had his mind set off what a kind of girl i was, having a boyfriend and wanting to meet him. BAD, i realized it later of course, and im so not that type that would cheat, but i told i have a boyfriend, so, i came off completely cheap and as not to be trusted.. the truth is always the best!
on March 24, 2009 at 2:57 pm Obsidian – good comments. My experience with women has been similar. My best relationships with the top women in my dating history have been the result of them pursuing me. Sure I put myself in a position for them to interact with me; I’ve dropped the right value displaying comments and stories and I initiated coy game once they entered overt pursuit mode. Only once have I actively pursued a beautiful women at a bar and the result is good. I “dealt” with her for primarily for 7 months and it fell apart when I became interested in another girl. When drunk at a bar I’ve easily taken down or number closed 6 and 7′s with overt flirting – but I dont count that because its nearly effortless and I grow tired of them quickly. Reversing the dynamic and getting a girl to pursue is obviously highly effective. Doesn’t that really strike at the heart of game? In theory if your game is effective enough in creating attraction and value, its logical to say she SHOULD be pursuing you. However, it’s not an option available to most guys. It’s hard enough to even get noticed on the mating grounds much less have them come hit on you. You need looks and/or height and the associated confidence/experience. If you have good looks and you’re making rounds approaching and running game at bar or clyb a girl may think you’re a player. She’ll assume you have a gf or at least have girls in the fold. Unless the girl is super-hot you may find it more effective to tone down the arrogance or asshole game in favor of being a little more nice while still being funny/interesting.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:00 pm abegail: “Abe – Why would a girl use a guys name to comment on a blog?” HAHAHA! LOL! !!!!!!! !! ! it’s confirmed. abe is a girl impersonating a guy attempting to flush out any inconsistency in the roissy target designation system. she failed of course. abegail, tell me. are you that boring chick who used to call herself “hello”? you write like her.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:05 pm lurker: 110% true. The other funny thing I have notices is that women are often oblivious to the male gaze. It’s so easy for me to spot a guy giving a female friend of mine the old up and down, but they don’t seem to notice.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:34 pm “Question her independence and plow” Nice. I think that if I am not shy at the time (which I almost always am) that is what I will naturally do. I think something like: “Wow… that’s what I admire in a girl. A girl who is restrained and chained to her boyfriend, as if she is somehow her exclusive toy, with no independent will and always waiting for an order and permission”… Something like this while smiling. I believe that if this is done properly it will constitute a neg as well. And it will not look “needy”… pretty Alpha indeed if done in ways superb. From here on there are two options: 1)the girl can continues to say she has a boyfriend or 2)she can say she owns her own life and such and that her boyfriend does not rule over her, etc. In the option two, it is an IOI the girl is providing you. Continue! If she does not have a boyfriend continue; if she does have and starts to bash him, keep draging him down and try to look a) better than him and b) tell her she doesn’t need him / need other men. Concerning the option one, the thing gets tricky. It may be a shitty test or a simply “anti-IOI”. If it is an Indicator of Desinterest let her go… if it is a shitty test keep teasing her, prefirably about her boyfriend. How to distinguish an “IOD” from a simple shitty test? You don’t, just do whatever you feel is better… So, what do you pussies think? I want to see some Alphas saying I’m wrong… Reply, don’t be shy.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:34 pm Just eliminate the abe spam already… it’s bad enough that DA is in here demoralizing me with his uberbetaness anecdotes.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:36 pm @ Azuzuru : I couldn’t agree more. I definitely agree with this. If a woman mentions it, I think it’s more for her. Like she’s pretty much letting herself off the hook. “OK, well it’s no longer my responsibility, I told him and he’s just gonna keep going anyways…”
on March 24, 2009 at 3:40 pm ASF: “The other funny thing I have notices is that women are often oblivious to the male gaze.” I don’t know if that’s true. Many times I’ve asked girls, either friends or girlfriends, if they notice guys giving them the eye. They generally notice it, but they say it happens so often there’s no point in acknowledging it.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:44 pm “Preempt it Before she has a chance to vomit the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line, you say “I’m surprised you would come to a place like this without your boyfriend” or “Does you boyfriend know you’re out here tonight?” and see if she bites.” I’d only use this if I had some solid (or less solid but still some though) IOIs first. I think that to say this it is crucial having some IOIs first because 1) you risk losing her altogether by reminding her of her boyfriend, and worst than boyfriend, that Alpha she is really wanting to penetrate her. And 2) because if you have already IOIs and she is interested in you she is more likely to say that she does not have a boyfriend. Even if it is not true.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:45 pm The other funny thing I have notices is that women are often oblivious to the male gaze. I had a prof in grad school who was notorious for ogling the women in the class while he was giving a lecture. I never noticed it – and only know about it because a number of different girls independently brought it to my attention.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:48 pm Obsidian: if every guy in the world or on this board could pull women into his proximity with his magnetic force we wouldn’t have anything to discuss. everyone has their own magnetic force, it’s just that for every guy at one time or another, his force is superceded by the magnetic force of another guy. every facet of our lives, including game and the actual movement of planets operates on the push and pull between objects. i’ll guarantee you the distribution of the strengths of those magnetic forces falls into some sort of bell shaped curve in which a few guys have most of the magnetism. so basically, we fall into the same trap as with PUA game. how does one guy break the shackles of what already seems to be a pre-determined structure of pussy-getting? he has to out-magnetize the next guy, right? OK. How?
on March 24, 2009 at 3:53 pm Azuzuru …When gaming women, it is absolutely KEY to structure the interaction and logistics such that the woman can maintain plausible deniability for any decision that brings the two of you closer to sex… Good comment. I dated a 19 year old virgin when I was 39. Although there was love, it was not serious – no long term expectations – she had a distant flame – I was fucking another girlfriend. While i was in jail on a visa overstay, she boffed my best buddy. Her exact words were “it just happened”. As it also just happened, I had given my best bud off hand permission to test my young loves waters. And my young love needed no permission from me, considering my ways and esteem for her. The bitter-sweet dark chocoloate of it, was that she would not fuck him again, because he was a bad lay, and that he was so guilty about it, that it broke up our friendship. It meant very little to me. People fuck. Nice to know that I fucked better than him, and that even popular and handsome guys can so terribly suck and be so terribly neurotic about sex. Popular guys at the bar, in popular clothes? Maybe they suck. Maybe not. Nice the my lover tried her hand at just happenin. At the time I had reason for sexual confidence.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:57 pm lehuster ” The other funny thing I have notices is that women are often oblivious to the male gaze. I had a prof in grad school who was notorious for ogling the women in the class while he was giving a lecture. I never noticed it – and only know about it because a number of different girls independently brought it to my attention.” Some women Don’t notice, other notice when its not even there. It depends on a lot of factors.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:58 pm yeah girls notice when you look at them. they are many things if not observant. ive been called out many times for having “wandering eyes”. they also notice when you look at other girls, no matter how subtle you think you are.
on March 24, 2009 at 3:59 pm PA: Great point on the eyes. I’ve always been somewhat oblivious to IOIs from women. In the past I’ve gone through conversations with a woman, without thinking that she was into me, only to later find out that she was. We’ve all likely had those. One thing that your comment made me think about though is that I can *always* tell, almost immediately, if a certain woman is interested in the guy she’s talking to. You can see it in the eyes. I wonder then, why in the past I’ve not been able to use that observation to my own advantage? Are we too biased by our ego (positively or negatively) to notice the way a woman is looking at us? I’ve become much better at it as I’ve gotten older mainly because I just assume that she is automatically into me and proceed as such whereas in the past I viewed it the opposite.
on March 24, 2009 at 4:00 pm ob: Interesting post, Roissy. But I must maintain what I said yesterday-as a rule, when in “mating ground” spots (clubs, bars, etc), I don’t approach Women. I already know why they’re there, etc. So if im there, its usually just to bust it up w/my homies. If anything happens, it’ll be because she stepped to me. ob, i don’t know what the vibe is in the venues you frequent, or the types of women that go there, but in almost every place i’ve been to where girls are present, and this is a list that includes way more than bars, standing around looking suave is not going to get a guy laid. girls first and foremost need to be approached. it is the rare girl indeed who will approach a guy out of the blue and express her interest in him. now, if you are talking about proximity IOIs, then that is indeed a fairly common method for girls to show they want you to hit on them, but it still doesn’t exempt a man from making the first move. if a guy waits around for a girl to verbally open him, he will be waiting around forever with his dick in his hands. Doing this Game experiment has caused me to really think back on my life when it came to gals. And I’ve found that, every single time I approached a Woman, I either struckout (sometimes badly), or, things didn’t work out ultimately. On the other hand, those times when a Woman was interested enough to step to me in some way-and the Proximity Alert System is definitely a powerful tool to use and know in this regard-things tended to go well. Quite well indeed. yes, but who said the first words, you or her? this makes all the difference. Back in the 90s, another pair of ladies I was dealing with serves as another example. One of them I pursued in classic “try hard” fashion. “try hard” is not the same as busting a move. when a man is running game, when he is leading, he is trying hard to close the girl. that is necessary. but he isn’t tipping his hand too blatantly. “try hard”, otoh, is a term of art that means the man is making it obvious by his poor game that he is seeking the girl’s approval and qualifying himself. The other I “magnetized”. this sounds like a new agey spin on an age old system. magnetized? if by magnetized you mean leaning against the wall with your hands in your pockets and wearing a shiny metallic blazer beckoning the ladies with a come hither look, i don’t see this working very well at all. sure, some girls may walk nearby, but you’ve still got to open them. and opening is a necessary step of early game, shiny jacket or not. if by magnetized you mean what most guys take it to mean — social proof, looking like the life of the party, dressed to the nines, chatting up women left and right, and glowing with confidence — then your use of the word is no different than what is meant by attraction/preselection game. girls will check you out. they’ll inch closer. they’ll bat an eye or two. but, barring a few rare exceptions, you’ll STILL have to make the first move if you want to take it anywhere more than a proximity IOI. While I dealt with both for an extended period, simultaneously and with their complete knowledge of each other, there was a clear and present difference in the tone and vibe between them. The first gal I had to constantly stay in “try hard” mode; the latter, the game came to me, so to speak. this sounds less like a reason to draw a strange and artificial distinction between “magnetism” and traditional game, and more like evidence that in this particular case one girl was never that much into you from the get-go. if you feel like it’s a struggle to win a girl over, you’re better off gaming another chick. an instance of a foot-dragging girl is not an indictment of proactive game. To be honest, I cannot recall the last time I had a gal tell me “I have a boyfriend”. Maybe that’s because I intuitively or subconsciously focused more on being a kind of magnet, than going out and making the hard sell. if you sit back and wait for women to make themselves available to you, naturally you will hear less of the “i have a bf” bullshit. but you will also limit your options. if you are more active in your approaching, you will hear the BF excuse more often. there is also another factor that could potentially be in play which may be responsible for your experiences. do you go to mostly black clubs? i’ve notice that black women are 1. more concerned with a man’s looks and style than women of other races and 2. more likely to make the first move if they like what they see. addendum: white chicks who date black guys act like black girls on some metrics. they will approach black men very aggressively if they like his looks. similarly, i’ve tried to explain this race-peculiar phenomenon to chiclet many times that the reason she places so much emphasis on a man’s looks is probably a function of her race more than anything else. but she should not allow her personal experience to speak for non-black women, most of whom respond to a man’s looks with less entrancement than they respond to other male attributes like charisma, money, game, wit, humor, and confidence. this is why a guy like neil strauss, short and physically unimpressive, can have a hot girlfriend (whom i’ve met) and have a foursome the night before his book signing in DC (told to me by someone who knows neil). Sorry for the rambling. Just wanted to suggest, that perhaps we fellas might take a page outta the ladies’ book: learn how to attract once in a while. attracting ladies requires talking. that is, unless you are running mute dancefloor pickup game. but most guys aren’t because the hit rate of dancefloor game is very low, even for guys who have moves.
on March 24, 2009 at 4:12 pm roissy and Ob: i can see this devolving into a race realism debate really quickly. i expect willard libby to make an appearance in due time. one point i want to make on the black women approaching black men: i went to a party the other night where this was the case, and i’ve noticed the trend many times in my partying career. ALL BLACK DUDES ACT THE SAME AT THE BAR/CLUB/PARTY. there is *very little* differentiation in their game. they generally lay back in the cut or stand around with their boys, waiting. i’m not hating on their “game”, it works for them. i’ll grant that black dudes, on the whole, have better game than whites, but a possible reason that black women/white women who chase black men respond mostly to style and looks is because the men’s game is mostly uniform across the board. because of this reason, you’ll see black men try to one up each other on style, shoes, fashion, grills, cars etc. moreso than other races. my white female friends who are into black dudes mostly comment on the bling and the clothes style moreso than anything else as their attraction sticking point. at the party i went to on saturday, i saw the usual posture for the black dudes. they were mostly standing against the wall or sitting in chairs while everyone danced. (this was a european party, so i’m sure if it was a black party they would have been more in the mix) Regardless, they all stood against the wall, like a meat market, waiting for a chick to come by, inspect the wares, and make their choice. sure enough, the two dudes who scored hot chicks had the straightest-billed hats and the most jewelry.
on March 24, 2009 at 4:39 pm (1) i have a question… if a girl has a boyfriend, and you (a stranger) comes over and starts talking to her (and let’s assume that she is bored), what response would you find reasonable and appropriate? – if she assumes you are hitting on her, and tells you that she has a boyfriend so as not to waste your time, isn’t that arrogant? and wouldn’t you feel rejected? – if she assumes nothing and treats you like a normal human being and participates in the conversation to pass time, and only tells you she has a boyfriend as it comes up in conversation, then apparently she is using you? please clarify so us ladies with boyfriends may continue our social interactions without offending the “douchebag” set of society. (2) also, since evolution of the dominant male is such a popular topic here, i thought you and your readers might find this story about sexual dimporphism intriguing: The triplewart seadevil, Cryptopsaras couesii, is a seadevil of the family Ceratiidae, found in all oceans, from the surface to 2,000 m. Its length is approximately 30 cm for females and 3 cm for males. Males are free swimming when young but before they mature these small fishes (about a tenth the size of the female) attach themselves permanently to the hind body of a female and become parasitic. Their blood supply becomes continuous with that of the female and most of the internal organs degenerate; in essence the male becomes an appendage to supply sperm when required. haha, nature is funny!
on March 24, 2009 at 4:41 pm chuck “I can *always* tell…if a certain woman is interested in the guy she’s talking to. You can see it in the eyes. I wonder then, why in the past I’ve not been able to use that observation to my own advantage? Are we too biased by our ego (positively or negatively) to notice the way a woman is looking at us?” Good point. Translating The Dance is sometimes, difficult. I wonder how I could’ve been so mistaken when I hear, after the fact, of my error on one side or the other.
on March 24, 2009 at 4:47 pm this is why a guy like neil strauss, short and physically unimpressive, can have a hot girlfriend (whom i’ve met) and have a foursome the night before his book signing in DC (told to me by someone who knows neil). Sputter blah blurg. That information was an iniital confidence and risk taking booster, but then it became clear that context was a vacuum. Cocaine involved? Low class turnstyle vaginas jumping on his cock? Any pole-dancers or friends of pole-dancers? I’m off to Jakarta in a few days. Threesomes are expected to be as handy as a $79 microwave bargain at Walmart. But what quality threesome, is my question.
on March 24, 2009 at 4:51 pm “a woman who looks clearly apologetic when she drops the boyfriend bomb and turns rapidly cold after saying it is an attention whore. A user of the good feelings you gave her for twenty minutes. But, if she is still engaged with you after mentioning her boyfriend, and her flirty demeanor hasn’t let up at all, you can safely assume the BF excuse is just that… an excuse. Be sure to verify her continued interest by moving her to a quiet part of the bar. This is critical. A girl in a relationship who has no intention of screwing around on her boyfriend will not follow you to a different location, no matter how good your game or how much she likes you or how few feet away is the new spot. The venue change/location move is a reliable test for smoking out the user whores.” Priceless advice. Thank you Roissy for sheding some light upon us, mere projects of man.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:02 pm AnonyAnony You are apparently quite attracted to the idea of being the sort of female represented by Ms. Triplewart – a brainless, barely mobile sea blob – with a comprehensively disabled “mate” You say you have a:boyfriend”. Have you shared your aspirations with him? Actually, what your little example tells us is that you know, on some level, that you cannot reliably attract a worthwhile guy so you dream of having one that so crippled that he cannot get away no matter how desperately he wants to.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:06 pm “attracting ladies requires talking…” Roissy, i beg to differ. most men are far more attractive when they keep their mouths shut. interestingly, most men say the same thing bout women. perhaps it is people in general that are stupid and should shut the fuck up.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:08 pm Rum: reading comprehension isn’t one of your strong suits is it? Or making reasonable assumptions. The seadevil was just a clever way of showing how nature switches roles sometimes to contrast with the drivel that is being supported on posts here. Why you would spin that to be a representative of the poster is beyond me. What, are you 12? Or a republican?
on March 24, 2009 at 5:08 pm “Women must never be seen by men or by the social circle to be seeking sex even if they are in fact seeking sex.” Used to… But still yes… it makes perfect sense Azururu
on March 24, 2009 at 5:11 pm Roissy, Chuck, Excellent points, both of you. I think you both have cracked the code, and that need not be a bad thing at all. Race realist-types have long known that in parts of Africa, particularly those parts where most Black Americans’ ancestors hail from (Western Africa in the main), Men tend to place lots more attention on what Game calls Peacocking, which I take to mean a bit more than merely looking good-it extends to one’s “rap” and presence. There’s all kinds of literature that explains why this was/is more extant there than say, Western Europe, and like Roissy says, I think its true, Sistas tend to both be attracted to a Man w/style, and, will definitely tend to step to you if they like what they see. So, yup, what you suspect Roissy, is definitely true in my case. Like many of us, I tend to move in circles where the faces looking back at me look like me, although I think it fair to say that I’ve had a bit of facetime in quite a few non-Black environs as well. LOL. I gotta chuckle at Roissy’s remark about my being new agey. Guilty as charged, my good man-could it be any other way for a Jedi? I was born w/the Morning Star on the Eastern horizon-being a Venusian is one of my lifelong lessons in this world. And, again, I tell you, that for me, and I speak only for me, every time I’ve tried to hardcharge a target, I came up short, or, things ended badly. I had to learn how to entice, how to reel in a target, and I had a number of informal mentors that helped me in that regard. Now, again, here’s where I have to tip my hat to my White brothers, because you guys are excellent at troubleshooting and organizing ideas-Game in the formal sense, really sharpened and refined all that I just spoke of. But yea R, you’re right, once girly presents herself, you gotta be able to take it from there, and I recall the times when things went well was when I “let go” and just had fun w/it. All the things you and others have written about being playful, cocky funny, irrational confidence, all of it, yup it works. Its just that, until recently, I never consciously thought about it, or deliberately did it. Chuck, LOL, if you think you’ve seen something at that party you was at, you should hangout at a stompdown club in the hood. Bruhs will usually be dressed to the nines, and more ‘tude than the gals. I know that’s how it is for me-when I step in a place w/my team, not only is it on, we the best dressed, most interesting, and sexiest beings in the joint-Male, or Female. And, we really don’t care if we pick up gals or not. That’s probably because most of us don’t want for female company when we desire it. I know I certainly didn’t. You know, I have always suspected potential permutations on Game per racial differences, and this instance appears to bear this out. But that need not be a bad thing at all-indeed, why not take it as a kind of exchange thing? Clearly, many of my White brothers could do to get some style and flair that Brothas are world reknowned for; and many Brothas could use the razor-sharp focusing that Formal Game gives any Man. So, why not take the best of both worlds? That’s what I set out to do. With, thus far, satisfactory results. Oh, and Roissy, I’m sure you know that all good Jedis learn how to use the Force to “pull” things to them. Yes? Magnetize… The Obsidian
on March 24, 2009 at 5:16 pm “You are apparently quite attracted to the idea of being the sort of female represented by Ms. Triplewart – a brainless, barely mobile sea blob – with a comprehensively disabled “mate” You say you have a:boyfriend”. Have you shared your aspirations with him? Actually, what your little example tells us is that you know, on some level, that you cannot reliably attract a worthwhile guy so you dream of having one that so crippled that he cannot get away no matter how desperately he wants to.” oh Rum. which aspirations should i share with my boyfriend? i didnt think i had mentioned any in my post. my question and my comment were not related. my question was really a response to Roissy’s post from yesterday where he was so offended by a stranger having a boyfriend. i find this curious as a potential stranger to well, anyone. as for my comment regarding sexual dimorphism, it was not related to me personally, or to humans in fact. that you dont find it fascinating from a scientific perspective alone says more about you than me. but i do find your interpretation amusing, really. thank you for that. your logic knows no bounds.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:16 pm Sparks 123, “Mystery put it very succinctly; early in the conversation it means, “You just conveyed too much interest.”” So, and what does this really mean? The girl does not like it? Does she mean “slow down” when she says it? What!??
on March 24, 2009 at 5:17 pm Anony, regarding the Triplewart, the male and female were not evolved from the same lineage. Not all evolution is Darwinian, but it seems that genes drift among more than just plants and bacteria and viruses. The newer theory is that some species mix and match, without actually fucking. Google newscientist.com for darwin . Try ” site:newscientist.com darwin 2009 ” without quotes, or just visit and gander about.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:19 pm hey. i have some good advice. why dont yall decide what you like for yourselves irrespective of the opinions of others (men OR women)? i know this is a really novel idea, so i’ll elaborate. it could involve reading. or hobbies. or sports. or anythign that might make you more interesting so you dont have this problem of being rejected constantly. hahahahahahaaaa {sigh}
on March 24, 2009 at 5:23 pm I’ve always been somewhat oblivious to IOIs from women. The ability to recognize IOIs is perhaps the most important part of game. Seeing them is a license to put the pedal to the metal. It does a lot for your inner game too. Once you know she’s into you, why would you feel any hesitatation about escalating.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:24 pm uhdurhrhr “attracting ladies requires talking…” Roissy, i beg to differ. most men are far more attractive when they keep their mouths shut. interestingly, most men say the same thing bout women. perhaps it is people in general that are stupid and should shut the fuck up. The undistinquished should not stand out – is that your point?
on March 24, 2009 at 5:25 pm Re: “It just happened.” That’s the line my high school ex-girlfriend used, back in the early 80s. I asked her to walk me through how “it just happened” that she got laid in her own bedroom on a Tuesday afternoon. She explained: She was sunbathing topless in the backyard when the doorbell rang. She drapped a towel over her neck so that the ends covered each breast (she demonstrated this part) and answered the door. Standing there was a classmate whom she’d been on a few dates with while I was away at school. Obviously, he didn’t need a lot of Game to get towel off, or her bikini bottoms. A few days later, before I’d come home for the weekend, and before her tearful confession, they saw each other on the road and he came over for a second romp. After I got home from school on Friday, she tearfully explained that “it was no fun at all” and she felt “terribly guilty” afterward and suddenly realized that she loved me, and I was The One. She seemed genuinely surprised when I broke up with her. A couple of decades later, I googled her. Her husband (not the guy in the story above) divorced her for adultery. I wonder if she used that line with her husband. Apparently she was picking up her son from hockey practice when the coach’s dick ended up inside her, although this apparently happened in a local hotel. It’s really amazing how these things just happen.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:27 pm Thursday Once you know she’s into you, why would you feel any hesitatation about escalating. I get grenade bombs of IOIs from 6s when I walk down the street. They don’t speak English very well, so they simply say “yes”. But if as I descend the escalator I see a shopping mall product promoter, in full mini uniform, I’ll squigle. My face will be shocked, I’ll light up – I’m done for. It took 1/10th of a second.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:27 pm xsplat, “Anony, regarding the Triplewart, the male and female were not evolved from the same lineage. Not all evolution is Darwinian, but it seems that genes drift among more than just plants and bacteria and viruses. The newer theory is that some species mix and match, without actually fucking.” i dont realy know anything bout this fish so i wont begin hypothesising about its evolutionary origins. however, i doubt that it was a result of genes from plants and viruses floating around inthe ocean and finding one another…. even when fucking is not involved in reproduction (which is more common than people who read thi sblog can probably fathom), evolution does not happen by random matching of genes from various unrelated sources. maybe you should read a book and stop making up arguments that are totally unrelatd to my post.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:29 pm Highly suggest being the minority in an area where there are no other men like you. The curious woman will take you for a test drive just because no one could give them what you can because no one there looks the same as you. Like going to an all mexican, peruvian, cuban whatever club. You are gonna stand out. You will more than likely take something home. I get looked at like I am fresh meat. I go to a place where there is not a person who looks like me for a 100 miles.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:29 pm The undistinquished should not stand out – is that your point? xsplat, who would mke that determination, you? most people think themselves wonderful, dont they? and yet the world is filled with idiots…
on March 24, 2009 at 5:35 pm “attach themselves permanently to the hind body of a female and become parasitic.” Ok but in all seriousness I am gonna try that shit.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:36 pm OK, Anony, you’re right. I should read a book and stop reading your posts.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:38 pm Regarding self-evaluation,, Mr. Not-Wonderful-Not-Xsplat, it is only the incompetent who are incopetent.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:39 pm I’m obviously copitent.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:52 pm Jeryy Anonyanony Hey, I am not the one who came up the story of Ms. Triplewart. I mean, out of an infinity of possible heart-warming animal stories this one gets offered up? I did not pick it. Was my comment entirely fair? No, not entirely. But every time tales of the sexual mating schemes of primitive animals are offered up, someone is try say something about human sexuality but without the stones to say it clearly and up front. Therefore, I feel entitled to fill in the blanks in my own way when a poster fails to take the risk of saying wtf they really mean.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:58 pm I’ve been known to be off the wall about conjectures, but it’s possible that recent posters who don’t spell their name as usual and seem incapable of laughter and who forever deliberately falsify others ideas are all TJF. And I think TJF is a girl.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:59 pm I’ve been known to be off the wall about conjectures, but it’s possible that recent posters who don’t spell their name as usual and seem incapable of laughter and who forever deliberately falsify others ideas are all TJF. And I think TJF is a girl. An aspergers syndrome female. Trapped in a man’s body.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:59 pm “my white female friends who are into black dudes” eeewwww… Reading about how to recognise a whore in Roissy’s blog, Roissy claimed that black women are whores. Not all I must say, but there are much more whores among the black women who live in European derived societies than the black women who live in Africa in African societies. That’s because black women do not integrate as well to European derived societies where “whoring” has a broader meaning. The same happens to Asian teens and thus, probabily women in general. I must also add that black women in Africa are more whores than European women, maybe because Europe has known and created Civilisation… What I wanted to say is that, as one commenter said in that how to recognise a whore post, white girls who go with blacks/asians/arabs/indians whatever… are whores. You just described their behaviouring as it is: whorish. They act like that because they are whores, get over it.
on March 24, 2009 at 5:59 pm “Roissy, ob, i don’t know what the vibe is in the venues you frequent, or the types of women that go there, but in almost every place i’ve been to where girls are present, and this is a list that includes way more than bars, standing around looking suave is not going to get a guy laid. girls first and foremost need to be approached. it is the rare girl indeed who will approach a guy out of the blue and express her interest in him.” Sounds like Roissy needs to do some field research on the minority syndrome in an all black club and get back with us in the name of science. Or are there any volunteers. Of course you might get robbed/shot but it is worth it for you to have your mind blown.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:00 pm Maybe TJF is Sarah, without her meds?
on March 24, 2009 at 6:10 pm Of course you might get robbed/shot but it is worth it for you to have your mind blown. Well, you won’t get much more than you deserve. I’m a 4 and and the clerks at the clothing store oggle and make quite remarks as I pass. But they are between 4′s and 6′s. I get no remarks from 7′s. And 8′s need work. 9′s better have issues, to be fair game.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:18 pm comments assuming your target girl has a boyfriend drip with desperation and low self-esteem. and they are annoying.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:21 pm “Maybe TJF is Sarah, without her meds?” LOOOOOOOOOOL LOOL LOL LOL…
on March 24, 2009 at 6:24 pm I don’t really have the 4 through 10 to me woman are either breathtaking or fuckable/not fuckable. When my wife puts on a nice dress my heart starts beating fast and I start to lose oxygen.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:25 pm Oh yea, & Roissy, You’re correct about “dancefloor game”. In the main, no go. Most Women usually don’t like being approached on the floor, often they’re dancing either “by themselves” or w/their girlfriends. Plus “dancefloor game” is antithetical to Game in the sense that, as you noted, you need to verbally communicate at some point. On the other hand though, I personally enjoy watching the girls dance w/each other. I consider it part of my entertainment when im hanging out w/my team. “Dancers!” *O claps hands like a Sultan* The Obsidian
on March 24, 2009 at 6:27 pm i dont know what TJF is but i am a female human. and im not a regular poster… rum, the only reason im posting here at all today is because someone sent me the info about sexual dimorphism and i thought how fascinating it would be to watch you all, who are obsessed wiht male dominance, react to what is perfectly natural and has nothing to do with us. reproductive systems vary throughout the planet. and courtship behavior varies throughout the human race. to each their own.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:28 pm Or you ever get that feeling in your spine like you about to become a parapalegic. lol
on March 24, 2009 at 6:28 pm beatrix comments assuming your target girl has a boyfriend drip with desperation and low self-esteem. It’s not exactly his esteem that is at issue. It is her esteem of him.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:31 pm When my wife …< And not a man in the world will say a word to detract from this, your height of being a man on this planet.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:34 pm Gunslinger Or you ever get that feeling in your spine like you about to become a parapalegic Some call that Kundalini, and some practice Chi-Kung or other kinesthetic arts to delve into it. Or just fuck a lot. Or meditate much. It can make you insane,, and often does, but you can’t beat the sex.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:43 pm Virgin@40, It would seem that the sum of all Chuck’s fears have been realized. Welcome to the forum, dear sir. Of course, you are most welcome to your views, but if you honestly think they are scientifically accurate in any way, I can disabuse you of such notions quite handily. Now, before the howling starts, without question there be some hoes in the hood; but by no means do they have the lock on Whoredom by any means. Consider a major period in the development of the USA, the Old West-the vast majority of hoes back then were, watch me closely V@40- WHITE WOMEN. How about another example, hmm? I have in my hands, a book called My Secret Life, the sexual memoirs of a Victorian Gentleman. In the introduction, it states that at the time of the writing of the book, London-one city now-had an estimated SEVENTY THOUSAND WHORES. And, again, watch me closely V: THEY WERE WHITE WOMEN. What about France, hmm? Ever heard of Madamoiselle Pompadour? Or, the founding Mothers of Australia? Now, don’t get me wrong, V. Europe don’t got the lock on Whoredom. But they got quite a nice track record. I’d love to see one that backs up your comments up the road a piece when it comes to my Sistas. Take your time. No need to rush. 😉 Nice to meet ya. The Obsidian
on March 24, 2009 at 6:47 pm lol obsid that shit was funny and in character again. GJ
on March 24, 2009 at 6:48 pm You’re correct Obsidian. White women know how to play to their strengths.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:52 pm Interesting xsplat. “It can make you insane,, and often does, but you can’t beat the sex.” Too fin funny.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:56 pm nice double entende however you spell it.
on March 24, 2009 at 6:59 pm Anonynony Who here has said anything about “male dominance? You are making shit up. See, men have never been interested in dominating women per se except to the extent that that might help them get laid.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:11 pm Rum Rum Anonynony Who here has said anything about “male dominance? You are making shit up. See, men have never been interested in dominating women per se except to the extent that that might help them get laid. I don’t want to be beligerant, and rude. I don’t want to spell poorly. But this is 1 1/2 mickeys of vodka, so it’s out of my hands. Sex is dominance. If you would like to think about it, and come back with conversation, that might be fun, but I’m not going to spell it out all at once.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:13 pm When I was 11, my mother had had two years too many, and calmy informed me that my sense of humor was exceedingly dry. I didn’t know what she meant. She never laughed. I laugh. Quietly.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:14 pm In my experience, “I have a boyfriend” should be read as “tonight never happened, okay?”. Maybe I meet the wrong kind of women?
on March 24, 2009 at 7:15 pm “And I think TJF is a girl. An aspergers syndrome female. Trapped in a man’s body.” … a fat man’s body?
on March 24, 2009 at 7:27 pm G G … a fat man’s body?” A brain in a vat. No body at all.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:30 pm G.G. In my experience, “I have a boyfriend” should be read as “tonight never happened, okay?”. Yes, we all know pussy only requires extra stimulation to open, regardless of relationship status. Or religion. Or a date with her mother to go to church and meet the minister. Or Pope. Yes, some cats play with mice.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:30 pm Acknowledge and plow: This makes me think first of what Positive K’s response would be … In that same vein, before I ever discovered formalized game, I learned the “What’s that have to do with anything?” + plow… concept from my friend. I was always amazed at how well that worked in front of even large crowds. One common thing alot of criticisms of game have is the fact that how you say it is more important than what you say. Nice breakdown Roissy. Let the haters hate. This should actually be a common problem because most dating/marriages are results of mate poaching anyhow. On a side note, I saw some research paper that was stating that it might be possible that females’ ovulation may be effected by exposure to certain males.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:31 pm Obsidian– Women of every race are whores, and in quantity. I read My Secret Life decades ago. The reason there were so many whores in London was British Victorian Sexuality. When people talk about “puritan” attitudes they’re really referencing Victorian ones, at least if they’re being accurate and not lying. (Jews in their push to knock the highest slices of WASPs, which included a lot of New England descened ex Puritans and similar, off the top of the economic and social heap beginning in the 30s and continuing full bore through about the 80s, often derrided Puritans as anti-sex. The fact is Puritans were very against extra marital sex, but very lusty and even demanding about marital sex. It was a duty to have a lot of it, if nothing else was jump starting the enterprise.) The idea in the Victorian period was that men, or many of the best of them, were like bulls in a china shop. They were rather crude and certainly lustful but that was an important strength in expanding and maintaining the Empire. Women of high birth and refinement on the other hand should be delicate and well, refined china, not too much given to being ravaged by these bulls, but rather needing to be sweetly treated, and yeah put on a pedestal by their husband among others – at least if they were going to remain ladies rather than fallen women. This was all thought to be lead by Queen Victoria who for one thing was a female monarch, and for another was deeply opposed to affairs and the like. (Prostitution was regarded as a necessary evil given that bullishness of so many of the better men crucial for Empire.) It wasn’t entirely condemned that a woman would have lustful sex with her husband, but it wasn’t encouraged either, and was regarded as not normal and a bit suspect as to the purity of her ladylike character. None of this applied to the lower classes, from whence the whores came, with rare but celebrated exceptions – often actresses. The real Aristos often didn’t pay much attention to it either. Note this WAS NOT true of all or most English periods, which were often far more openly lusty on the part of leading elements. For example, the Restoration period was, a lot. And the Georgian one a lot too.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:36 pm Let me try that again. GG. Yes, we all know pussy only requires a few extra volts of stimulation to change the gate of the transistor between open and closed, regardless of the third gate of regardless of relationship status. And only a few volts will overcome religion. No matter that her mother is on the phone – that will only make the loud spank on her ass more poignant. But the sad fact is, some girls play with men they don’t want like they play with mice they won’t eat. Toys to test their claws on.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:38 pm Rather ‘one thing criticisms don’t always take into account is how you say it vs what you say.’
on March 24, 2009 at 7:40 pm Doug, In no way do I dither with what you’ve presented; but with all due respect dear fellow, it is completely beside *Virgin@40′s* point. Which was, that Black Women, and to a lesser extent or degree, other Women of Color, are inherently disposed towards whorish behavior, and that this is not the case among the European-descended (read, White) Women, because the West is so much more refined than everywhere else in the World, and definitely lowly Dark Africa. I am directly challenging his statements, using documented evidence obtaining in the very areas of the World, and citing the very Women he wishes to exalt as a class. I say his statements are poppycock. What say you? The Obsidian
on March 24, 2009 at 7:41 pm hey Roissy, can you give your readers some advice on how to cover up the herpes drip when youre trying to get laid? youre so cute though i almost want to lick it off… does that work for you? thanks, =P
on March 24, 2009 at 7:43 pm Go to Dubai to see the whore wars and who wins lol
on March 24, 2009 at 7:48 pm Can we get some white male volunteers to go to some all black clubs and record there experience. Come on guys. Just read virgin 40 did you mean whores for money or free whores I think the clarification would help.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:48 pm thanks a lot roissy this post was epecially useful for me
on March 24, 2009 at 7:50 pm I still hypothesize that it is easier to pull woman when you are the minority in a club situation and that it doesn’t take game to do so. Since there will be a certain percentage of the woman there who are curious and that in a 300 person club at one percent would get you at least 2 chicks who are drawn to you because you are different.
on March 24, 2009 at 7:54 pm Will this degrade into a race discussion again? I appreciate acknoledging hard facts, no matter how difficult they are to spell, or how much more handsome they are than I, but even facts can be represented in a BORING way. Obsidian and your opposites, learn from the Jews, and pay attention to the third act. The third act of any play makes or breaks the box office. You’ve got a good opening, a fair middle, and now you’re just boring.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:00 pm I think preempt is the worst option of the ones you mentioned. It reminds me of guys on the who open with “you got a man?” or “Where your man at?”
on March 24, 2009 at 8:00 pm *guys on the street
on March 24, 2009 at 8:04 pm Implying that the Jews are the main master script writers of our time.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:06 pm Obsidian– There are three reasons to be a whore. The primary one is that it’s relatively easy money at least if the whore keeps most of it. The second is she sometimes or often doesn’t and is first lured into it and then coerced to remain in it. This is much more true down market and in other countries these days, but is true of alot of Asian whores particularly in this country today. It’s a big Triad enterprise. And there remain old school pimps, usually black. The third is that the girl is a big time slut, and can make money by continuing her sluttish desires and make money at it. Only some of her clients do it for her, but some do. This is actually often a part of the motivation of higher end and more independent whores, often working as internet call girls on sites they own, or collectives. Black girls are naturally the sluttiest, E Asians the least, at least so far as innate drives go. But market demand, which drives the first two factors the most, the girl making money or her pimp/exploiters making money, selects white girls and then Asians the most. So while it’s hardly harder to make black girls whores, they’re less in demand.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:09 pm Xsplat, It is important to note here, that I have not been the one to introduce race into the discussion, others havem both here and elsewhere in this forum. What *is* different, is that a goodly number of my White brothers can no longer just fling out outrageous statements without credible challenge. That is what I bring to this table; a real, live Negro, who knows a bit about how the real world works. What is boring, in spades ahem, is the constant navel gazing racially on the part of some, in a vain attempt to bolster their own sense of self esteem. Now-you were saying? The Obsidian
on March 24, 2009 at 8:14 pm I think it is great for white people to see how “a real, live Negro, ” thinks as well. A lot just get the media story told to them and maybe can ignore their own eyes. Now they they get to see the inner feeling of one up close. I think it is healthy. Probably gonna be good for all of us in the long run.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:16 pm Roissy, you have been dropping immense knowledge the last couple of posts. Keep up this good streak. wrt Obsidian’s observations on black “peacocking” game, he’s exactly right, and I wonder why the dynamics of female-male interaction are so different in dance clubs and house parties than typical yuppie bars and nightclubs. when dancing the black female puts in a greater amount of work moving than the male ever does, and he has to act positively aloof from the whole thing. in addition i suspect there is greater inequality in the spoils as well
on March 24, 2009 at 8:21 pm “Roosh I think preempt is the worst option of the ones you mentioned” Ya, there is a weakness in it. Or is it in us? On a few failed flirts, I’ve tried “Do you have a boyfriend?” “Yes”‘ “Yes, I have a girlfriend too” and forward. — The problem with that is that it doesn’t respect the double standard, from the women’s point of view. Women emotionally need a stable man, so the man telling truth will poison her brain with truth. She prefers lies, and will prefer a man who knows how to accept her lies. The double standard, from a womans point of view, is that she can be exactly as a man, only she get’s to have a totally different attitude about it. And you are not sexy unless you understand and can at least play with that.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:21 pm Doug, I find it particularly interesting that a group of people, who usually tend to pride themselves on how far removed they are from mine, can render such set in stone statements and pronouncements. It reminds me of a recent conversation, if one could call it that, that I had w/Tokyo in this venue; he made outlandish statements about both Jews and Blacks. When I questioned him as to how many of either group he’d actually known, he did his usual Matrix dance. I find it particularly odd that I, a Black Man, who has moved in and out of more social circles than most here, seems to have missed this great deluge of whorin’ Sistas. Now, again, lemme be clear-there some hoes in this house. But are they the norm? My lifelong experience, says no. The real question though, is this: why is it so important, for so many White guys here, to make the case so hard, that Black Women in particular, are hoes? Most White guys here have expressed their disinterest in such Women in any event, yes? So, what difference does it make? You see, one thing I’ve long observed about White folks-particularly those of a certain class and type-is that they have a very hard time making things plain. They tend not to be confrontational. They seem to excel in the oblique, the inferred, the sublimated, the…scapegoated. White brothers, whether Black Wome are or are not whores by design, is the least of your problems. When Roissy logs his experiences w/the sluts of (White) DC, or when Whiskey speaks of the numbers of (White) Women living in big cities’ sex partners, they not talking about Rashida or Tanya, they talking about Christen and Amy. So…why don’t y’all tackle that? Hmm? Comments? O
on March 24, 2009 at 8:34 pm “Obsidian Xsplat, It is important to note here, that I have not been the one to introduce race into the discussion, others havem both here and elsewhere in this forum. What *is* different, is that a goodly number of my White brothers can no longer just fling out outrageous statements without credible challenge. That is what I bring to this table; a real, live Negro, who knows a bit about how the real world works. What is boring, in spades ahem, is the constant navel gazing racially on the part of some, in a vain attempt to bolster their own sense of self esteem. ” This is where you continually loop. I didn’t introduce race I just am a black man who is here to make sure whitey gets to hear a black perspective.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:34 pm Obsidian Before I quote you, I’d like to give you a kind SLAP Doug, I find it particularly interesting that a group of people, who usually tend to pride themselves on how far removed they are from mine, can render such set in stone statements and pronouncements. It reminds me of a recent conversation, if one could call it that, that I had w/Tokyo in this venue; he made outlandish statements about both Jews and Blacks. When I questioned him as to how many of either group he’d actually known, he did his usual Matrix dance. You are obsessed with group opinion. You are not a man. Become a man.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:39 pm they not talking about Rashida or Tanya Obsidian, serious question if you know this, why do so many black women of a particular generation (?) have Russian-origin names (Tanya, Sonya, Natasha and variations like Tasha, etc) ? On the other hand, there are no Russian boys’ names I associate with black people (Mikhail/Misha, Igor, Ivan, Boris, Yuri, Alexyi, Nikolai, etc)
on March 24, 2009 at 8:39 pm Gunslinger, I need explain something about how my mind works. A deficit now one, not even my parents or closest lovers ever believes I have. I have no memory. This actually is my strength, as I must always see the meta picture. I have no capability to remember details. I can’t remember who is the lead character in a book, at the end of the page. I don’t know who said what on this blog. I know it’s hard to believe. I see big pictures, not details. I don’t do birthdays.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:42 pm Xsplat, Let’s be civil, shall we? There’s no need to personally attack anyone here. We’re among friends. Let’s get right to the nub of my point-why is it so important for some White guys in this venue, one that takes up the dating world, to make such a strident case for the inherent fallen state of Black Women, when by their own admission/profession, they couldn’t care less about them? How does this serve their obstensible mission to bed purportedly inherently better disposed White Women? You were saying? O
on March 24, 2009 at 8:43 pm i thought how fascinating it would be to watch you all, who are obsessed wiht male dominance, react to what is perfectly natural and has nothing to do with us. I got my “obsession” with male dominance directly from women . Like many American men, I was raised with the stupid beta / feminist idea that women want respect and equality. I quickly discovered that this was not the case. Numerous women literally begged me to dominate them, in those exact words – “I need to be dominated!” (These were, by the way, highly educated and intelligent women.) Didn’t take too many of those experiences before I realized that I should not wait to be told to dominate them, I should just go ahead and do it from the outset. All parties were happier as a result of my changed attitude!
on March 24, 2009 at 8:45 pm There’s a difference between dominating and respecting. Evidently you are still figuring that out.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:48 pm obsidian “There’s no need to personally attack anyone here. ” I mentioned that over involvement with what others think of you is not mature. Personal attack? Maybe. Maybe a rib among friends? Up to you. I don’t care what people say about black chicks being whores. Has nothing to do with my life. And I’m not sure why it has much to do with yours.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:51 pm PA, Hey, what up man? To answer your question, don’t know if you’ve heard, but in recent years there’s been a bit said and written about “Black names”. I’m sure if you Google around you’ll find it. Rashida(h) isn’t a Russian name, its an Islamic one, the feminized form of Rashid. There are others, such as Malika(h) and so on. As for Tanya, I’ve seen it spelled Tonya as well. As to why its so popular in the hood, I honestly don’t know. As for Black boys w/Russian sounding names, I’ve personally known Andres, Dimitris, Ivans and Gregorys. No Boris’ though. 😉 Perhaps the same thing that drives Black culture to have a more “peacock” nature is to be found in the naming as well. Hmm. O
on March 24, 2009 at 8:52 pm Tarl I got my “obsession” with male dominance directly from women. Like many American men, I was raised with the stupid beta / feminist idea that women want respect and equality. I quickly discovered that this was not the case. I’m only quoting you to repeat the poetry of your voice. Yup. Except that I wasn’t so quick.
on March 24, 2009 at 8:53 pm Good call on Andre and Dimitri!
on March 24, 2009 at 8:59 pm Xsplat, Last nite I was watching the Tavis Smiley show, and he was talking about how it was important that different voices be given a seat at the table-whether we like it or not, we are thee most racially and ethnically diverse nation on this planet. And he went on to say that its time that those different voices begin to talk *to* each other. Now, I can respect the right of those who don’t share such a view. But I personally think it puts one at a serious disadvantage, because, as the saying goes, the world is flat. I’m here to both teach, and learn. And I care about how my Sistas are viewed because well, I love Black Women on a whole. Last time I heard, that wasn’t a crime. Now, let me ask you a question. Why are you here? Have you read anything you can personally relate to? What’s your story? And yea, ribbing is cool. Let’s keep talking. O
on March 24, 2009 at 9:03 pm Tarl– I got my “obsession” with male dominance directly from women. Like many American men, I was raised with the stupid beta / feminist idea that women want respect and equality. I quickly discovered that this was not the case. Numerous women literally begged me to dominate them, in those exact words – “I need to be dominated!” (These were, by the way, highly educated and intelligent women.) Me too. My first real girlfriend. I did an ode to her in the “Inside The Horror Of Bridesmaid Dress Shopping” thread a couple of days ago. If interested do a find on “15 times”. She said she sensed a dominant male beneath my sorta nice guy first approach exterior. It helped that I was 6’3 and strong. She taught me huge, by being really hungry for what really works. I learned fast. It was delish as in life changing and awesome. I honestly don’t think it’s possible for a woman to have really great sex with a man without it. Only ok or pretty good sex, largely oral. I’ve never had really great sex without it.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:04 pm I can’t remember the name of the lead character in a book, at the end of the page. I’ll know who he is, but not his name. Or if his name is as obvious as Lazarus or Dilgo, it might stick, but the sub characters will be learned by characterization and context. I’m face blind for names and dates. I can read cartoons six months later, and they will be brand new to me. Like I was born with Alzheimers. Without being stupid. I have hundreds of stories. Since my early twenties. The interesting thing is, as soon as a face is romantice to me, I will remember it. Otherwise I will tell you to come back to purchase the sweater you put on hold from me in 10 minutes, and no matter my effort, I’ll forget. No matter that you sat beside me all day as i flirted with you, if I didn’t get that bond, I won’t know you the next day. I know you think it’s unreal, because i’m literate. As I said, my weakness is actually the demand for the compensation, that is rather strong.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:06 pm Obsidian has a good point there. Anonymous — Human beings are not obscure fish, nor bacteria, nor in fact chimps either. Humans are a very specialized primate, who’s survival depends on a mixture of cooperation, competition, and above all greater and greater tool-making (in both cooperative, get the tools made, and competitive, substitute inferior tools with superior tools) modes. This has generally required for success moderating and controlling human sexuality into monogamous reproduction, with the nuclear family, to achieve success. Societies that master that become dominant, those that don’t get colonized, or flattened by the tidal wave of cultural, material, social, economic, and technological progress of those who DO adopt cooperative monogamy and extensive tool improvement. Note: tool making is not the province of charismatic males, who generally SUCK big time at the extended, obsessive focus on getting tools “just right” so they are effective. Things like steam engines, automobiles, helicopters, anti-biotics, and the like. Successful societies FORCE women to turn away from charismatic males and choose “beta providers” who drive the tool making and tool improving. ———————- I think the most important principle in the “I’ve got a boyfriend” is not to show offense, or be downcast, or be anything other than positioned as Mr. Big Time. Think of it as an extended sales call and valuable practice. The girl was obviously flattered by the attention, even if there was no real intent. Well, you got valuable practice. The goal is to make sure you remain seen as a desirable guy by women who will not make time with you but could be part of a social network of intended women who are open to approach, and could say negative or positive things about you. Now, the inevitable outcome of this function (women playing coquette for flattery and desire when they have no intention of doing anything other flirt for flattery and ego boosting, is male learned behavior. What men learn, if this happens enough, is that women by and large through repetition become relatively un-important sales targets. A “customer” who is as replaceable to the man as the women view the replaceable flatterer. This situation, and it’s common enough, inevitably produces men who don’t view women as objects of romantic love but replaceable “units.” If the woman set about to destroy romantic love, or even the possibility of it, in the man she leads on, she could not do a better job. Just as a man’s mistreatment of a woman undoubtedly creates “punishment” of the woman’s next boyfriend, this too creates the same situation for the man’s next girlfriend. Shrug. That’s the modern era.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:07 pm Autistics have impecable memories, but can’t relate competing ideas. I have no memory, and am imaginative in a way that people find smart.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:16 pm “Obsidian Xsplat, Let’s be civil, shall we? There’s no need to personally attack anyone here. We’re among friends. Let’s get right to the nub of my point-why is it so important for some White guys in this venue, one that takes up the dating world, to make such a strident case for the inherent fallen state of Black Women, when by their own admission/profession, they couldn’t care less about them? How does this serve their obstensible mission to bed purportedly inherently better disposed White Women? You were saying? O” Because if white men cannot fuck or do not want to fuck black woman they cannot even the score that way. I married an asian woman. My friend from the states who is an asian man had kids with two white chicks and married one of them (he is still with her). Basically we are even. That would be called a fair trade. There is nothing the black man can trade with the white man to make it even. It is called a trade deficit. What are black people bringing to the table to make the trade deficit balanced? Are there any other areas or a shitload of areas where there is a trade deficit? How long can you have a situation where one side just takes and the other side just gives?
on March 24, 2009 at 9:16 pm On the other hand, there are no Russian boys’ names I associate with black people (Mikhail/Misha, Igor, Ivan, Boris, Yuri, Alexyi, Nikolai, etc) David Alexander’s real first name is one of the Russian names on the list which tends to throw off white AND black people who are rather surprised when they find out that I’m black. E-mail me if you want the answer. 🙂
on March 24, 2009 at 9:17 pm The third is that the girl is a big time slut, and can make money by continuing her sluttish desires and make money at it. Only some of her clients do it for her, but some do. This is actually often a part of the motivation of higher end and more independent whores, often working as internet call girls on sites they own, or collectives. I somewhat suspect that Ms. Dupre fell under that category.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:22 pm Because if white men cannot fuck or do not want to fuck black woman they cannot even the score that way. I married an asian woman. My friend from the states who is an asian man had kids with two white chicks and married one of them (he is still with her). Basically we are even. That would be called a fair trade. There is nothing the black man can trade with the white man to make it even. It is called a trade deficit. Do your research, buddy. Anecdotes don’t cut it here. The “trade deficits” are about the same. http://www.isteve.com/images/Intermarriage_graph_1-gif.gif
on March 24, 2009 at 9:27 pm lurker: Thank you. You might find it surprising, but it’s a truth hard to accept. I’m going to assume you mean men I don’t know and not so much university acquaintances and guys on here (i.e. the percentage will be lower). This is why women huddle around other women, there’s little safety in an interaction with a guy. I had a friend who used ‘it just happened’ line for kissing a guy. There was public flirting for a while going on with him, in full view of some of her boyfriend’s friends (spies?). After some fumbling with dude, went back to boyfriend with that line. It was all intentional and her off psychology genuinely seemed to view it retrospectively as ‘just happened’. Later on, cheated on a new boyfriend with the boyfriend she originally cheated. I think it also ‘just happened’, despite enough texts etc. to make boyfriend at the time go get drunk and cheat on her — so sure was he that she would cheat. I couldn’t muster up much sympathy for the guys, though. She practically threw herself at them. They selected for the most sexual (well, God forbid they put any effort into girlfriend material), of the girls they could find, regardless of any other qualities she had and subsequently “fell in love” (with the sex, as well perhaps as the drama– who knows?). I suppose that’s why you guys seperate sexual fun and relationships. Men can be stupid but teenage boys; oh my God.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:29 pm The “trade deficits” are about the same. Correct. In the global mating game, Asian men and negro women are the biggest losers.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:32 pm anonynonynonymous or whatever: how about I attach myself to your hind area as a nice little experiment. Your boyfriend can stay at home. 😉
on March 24, 2009 at 9:32 pm Sparks I somewhat suspect that Ms. Dupre fell under that category. Hadn’t thought about that but, yeah, good call. Actually some of these girls are quite choosy about their clients, and can afford to be. They often pre screen. They mostly only do repeats and don’t repeat with those they don’t like enough or even find hot or hottish. Rich and powerful men, etc. Sometimes less so but in other ways alpha who they give discounts to, maybe. Usually married. A number of this variety have blogs of the non recruiting but rather diary type. I spent a couple of months spending some of my net time reading a bunch of these. Pretty interesting re: women’s sexuality with the cliche’s and pretty lies stripped off, and sometimes pretty arousing. Then there are the slut / adventuress type diaries.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:32 pm bhettt, you do get one thing wrong: “and not so much university acquaintances” —wrong. The same 3 rules apply, the guy friends are just in “the friend zone” or have something better to go home to or are just beta. But they pretty much want to screw you, too. See: When Harry Met Sally.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:32 pm Thanks, Sparks. O
on March 24, 2009 at 9:32 pm Gunslinger How long can you have a situation where one side just takes and the other side just gives? you’ve got a good point about that. Except that you don’t. Music? Probably any music you like, had roots at minimum from blacks. Never mind spectator sports, because that’s for kids and people i don’t want to meet. Peanuts? Dancing? I don’t want to get silly here. The second world war isn’t silly. I suspect you are not in touch with middle class lack america. They are a culture, and a fine, fun good one. The bell curve is an overlapping curve – not an indigtment (sp) i get your point, about lack of executive control. About high levels of testosterone. It must have worked, evlolutionarily, in their original envirronment. I wouldn’t want to come up against a comfident black man in a bar who is 10 IQ points less than I. Or even 20. I’ve got IQ points to spare, but how tall is he? Dancing skills? Anyway, it’s fun to know who has what place. Ok then. And then… people rise to their position. yes, you are correct. people don’t rise, becase they can’t. And then… notice some do. And then they are genetically in our league.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:33 pm Gunslinger How long can you have a situation where one side just takes and the other side just gives? you’ve got a good point about that. Except that you don’t. Music? Probably any music you like, had roots at minimum from blacks. Never mind spectator sports, because that’s for kids and people i don’t want to meet. Peanuts? Dancing? I don’t want to get silly here. The second world war isn’t silly. I suspect you are not in touch with middle class lack america. They are a culture, and a fine, fun good one. The bell curve is an overlapping curve – not an indigtment (sp) i get your point, about lack of executive control. About high levels of testosterone. It must have worked, evlolutionarily, in their original envirronment. I wouldn’t want to come up against a comfident black man in a bar who is 10 IQ points less than I. Or even 20. I’ve got IQ points to spare, but how tall is he? Dancing skills? Anyway, it’s fun to know who has what place. Ok then. And then… people rise to their position. yes, you are correct. people don’t rise, becase they can’t. And then… notice some do. And then they are genetically in our league. And of course in many ways better.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:44 pm Sparks where are the numbers?
on March 24, 2009 at 9:45 pm Obsidian, But I personally think it puts one at a serious disadvantage, because, as the saying goes, the world is flat. This assumes that, in general, negroes have a comparative advantage that compels mutual trade. They really don’t outside of professional athletics. And even in that arena, whites will pay just as much to watch other whites with less fast-twitch muscle fiber than negroes play a game. Also, I hate to break this to you but in the global mating game, negro women are the biggest losers out there. I mean, sure, they can find plenty of negro men to fuck them and then abandon them and their spawn to the white-financed welfare state, but they have terribly low rates of out-marriage, and even in-marriage.
on March 24, 2009 at 9:51 pm Right on Black Woodd Now, let me ask you a question. Why are you here? Have you read anything you can personally relate to? What’s your story?